Re: Supporting Linux Clients
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe you are thinking of Wine. http://www.winehq.org/ A colleague of mine swears by CrossOver from Codeweavers. It's essentially an adaptation of Wine with better front-end software, a stabilized release plan, and tech support. -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Supporting Linux Clients
I believe you are thinking of Wine. http://www.winehq.org/ RDP Access can work as well. On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Joseph L. Casale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's what I am doing now, Xen is an option but not w/o consequence. The host has to be booted into a Xen kernel, extra mgmt overhead. I suppose Rdesktop will have to be it. I heard OpenNX can virtualize just an application and I hear there's an edition for windows. Don't know if its true, but I will have a looky! Thanks! jlc From: Kurt Buff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:59 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Supporting Linux Clients Well, as an alternative, we will be providing a TS machine in the production area, and they can use rdesktop in their favorite unix flavor to connect to that. On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For your *nix geeks, if they really don't want to use Windows for their desk top, there was an OS replacement for NT that was really an X-windows server (or client however you view that sort of mess) that made a Windows based desktop available for *nix boxes. You can control that type of environment all you want. I had it up in a test phase for our circuit provisioners that used Sun boxes and barely had room for their 3000 dollar Gateway boxes (this was back in the early 90's). We had Word, Outlook (for Exchange 4.0) and a couple of other office apps running on the X-windows server desktop. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems FOB Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium - 717.633.3823 Roshain - 079 - 736 - 3832 A man who thinks of himself as belonging to a particular national group in America has not yet become an American. And the man who goes among you to trade upon your nationality is no worthy son to live under the Stars and Stripes. Woodrow Wilson -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:57 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Supporting Linux Clients Heh. Definitely not there yet. But I expect to have made great progress by this time next year. On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Don Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good luck - I personally think you are going the right direction - we're still trying to get there. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Supporting Linux Clients On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Joseph L. Casale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMAP is out of the question, so I am stuck! IMAP is really the way to go for this kind of thing. IMAP is the Internet standard for server-based mailbox access, same way that SMTPis the Internet standard for mail transport. Any chance you can getthat restriction re-thought? -- Ben While I agree that IMAP is a good standard, I come at it from a different POV: Using IMAP denies individual use of certain features that might be important to the enterprise. Certainly calendaring, voting buttons, and some other goodies aren't going to be supported. Joseph didn't state the customer culture or use case for his environment, so I can't comment on that, but in my $job, we have a few (literally - no more than 3) engineers who have been absolutely adamant about using Linux to access our Exchange installation. Sucks to be them - they get the web interface. In point of fact, I'm still working towards a corporate environment where the standard tasks (email/word processing/spreadsheets/etc.) will be done on Windows machines, in a tightly controlled desktop environment where users are local users, not local administrators. It's a long row to hoe, but I'm starting to make headway. The flip side of that, though, is that the engineers will have two machines, one on the corporate domain, the other in a test/dev network that won't talk (except in tightly controlled ways) to the corporate network. They'll have their own lab manager for the things they do, though I'll probably still be on tap for whatever help is needed. Bottom line - no IMAP for you! Different POV and business requirements is all. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja
RE: Supporting Linux Clients
Now we just use Xen. From: Joseph L. Casale [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Supporting Linux Clients For your *nix geeks, if they really don't want to use Windows for their desk top, there was an OS replacement for NT that was really an X-windows server (or client however you view that sort of mess) that made a Windows based desktop available for *nix boxes. You can control that type of environment all you want. I had it up in a test phase for our circuit provisioners that used Sun boxes and barely had room for their 3000 dollar Gateway boxes (this was back in the early 90's). We had Word, Outlook (for Exchange 4.0) and a couple of other office apps running on the X-windows server desktop. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems FOB Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium - 717.633.3823 Roshain - 079 - 736 - 3832 John, I am interested in looking at this, can you provide some details, like a url? Thanks! jlc ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja ~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Supporting Linux Clients
Like I said, I tested it back in the 90's. I'm not sure it exists anymore. William said he uses Xen. Whip up some google foo and it might lead you there. :-) My tin can and a kite string communications out here are rather limited today. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems FOB Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium - 717.633.3823 Roshain - 079 - 736 - 3832 A man who thinks of himself as belonging to a particular national group in America has not yet become an American. And the man who goes among you to trade upon your nationality is no worthy son to live under the Stars and Stripes. Woodrow Wilson -Original Message- From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:05 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Supporting Linux Clients For your *nix geeks, if they really don't want to use Windows for their desk top, there was an OS replacement for NT that was really an X-windows server (or client however you view that sort of mess) that made a Windows based desktop available for *nix boxes. You can control that type of environment all you want. I had it up in a test phase for our circuit provisioners that used Sun boxes and barely had room for their 3000 dollar Gateway boxes (this was back in the early 90's). We had Word, Outlook (for Exchange 4.0) and a couple of other office apps running on the X-windows server desktop. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems FOB Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium - 717.633.3823 Roshain - 079 - 736 - 3832 John, I am interested in looking at this, can you provide some details, like a url? Thanks! jlc ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Supporting Linux Clients
Sneaker-NET down John? -Original Message- From: Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 5:04 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Supporting Linux Clients Like I said, I tested it back in the 90's. I'm not sure it exists anymore. William said he uses Xen. Whip up some google foo and it might lead you there. :-) My tin can and a kite string communications out here are rather limited today. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems FOB Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium - 717.633.3823 Roshain - 079 - 736 - 3832 A man who thinks of himself as belonging to a particular national group in America has not yet become an American. And the man who goes among you to trade upon your nationality is no worthy son to live under the Stars and Stripes. Woodrow Wilson -Original Message- From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:05 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Supporting Linux Clients For your *nix geeks, if they really don't want to use Windows for their desk top, there was an OS replacement for NT that was really an X-windows server (or client however you view that sort of mess) that made a Windows based desktop available for *nix boxes. You can control that type of environment all you want. I had it up in a test phase for our circuit provisioners that used Sun boxes and barely had room for their 3000 dollar Gateway boxes (this was back in the early 90's). We had Word, Outlook (for Exchange 4.0) and a couple of other office apps running on the X-windows server desktop. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems FOB Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium - 717.633.3823 Roshain - 079 - 736 - 3832 John, I am interested in looking at this, can you provide some details, like a url? Thanks! jlc ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 2994 (20080402) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 2994 (20080402) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Supporting Linux Clients
Well, as an alternative, we will be providing a TS machine in the production area, and they can use rdesktop in their favorite unix flavor to connect to that. On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For your *nix geeks, if they really don't want to use Windows for their desk top, there was an OS replacement for NT that was really an X-windows server (or client however you view that sort of mess) that made a Windows based desktop available for *nix boxes. You can control that type of environment all you want. I had it up in a test phase for our circuit provisioners that used Sun boxes and barely had room for their 3000 dollar Gateway boxes (this was back in the early 90's). We had Word, Outlook (for Exchange 4.0) and a couple of other office apps running on the X-windows server desktop. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems FOB Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium - 717.633.3823 Roshain - 079 - 736 - 3832 A man who thinks of himself as belonging to a particular national group in America has not yet become an American. And the man who goes among you to trade upon your nationality is no worthy son to live under the Stars and Stripes. Woodrow Wilson -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:57 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Supporting Linux Clients Heh. Definitely not there yet. But I expect to have made great progress by this time next year. On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Don Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good luck - I personally think you are going the right direction - we're still trying to get there. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Supporting Linux Clients On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Joseph L. Casale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMAP is out of the question, so I am stuck! IMAP is really the way to go for this kind of thing. IMAP is the Internet standard for server-based mailbox access, same way that SMTPis the Internet standard for mail transport. Any chance you can getthat restriction re-thought? -- Ben While I agree that IMAP is a good standard, I come at it from a different POV: Using IMAP denies individual use of certain features that might be important to the enterprise. Certainly calendaring, voting buttons, and some other goodies aren't going to be supported. Joseph didn't state the customer culture or use case for his environment, so I can't comment on that, but in my $job, we have a few (literally - no more than 3) engineers who have been absolutely adamant about using Linux to access our Exchange installation. Sucks to be them - they get the web interface. In point of fact, I'm still working towards a corporate environment where the standard tasks (email/word processing/spreadsheets/etc.) will be done on Windows machines, in a tightly controlled desktop environment where users are local users, not local administrators. It's a long row to hoe, but I'm starting to make headway. The flip side of that, though, is that the engineers will have two machines, one on the corporate domain, the other in a test/dev network that won't talk (except in tightly controlled ways) to the corporate network. They'll have their own lab manager for the things they do, though I'll probably still be on tap for whatever help is needed. Bottom line - no IMAP for you! Different POV and business requirements is all. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Supporting Linux Clients
That's what I am doing now, Xen is an option but not w/o consequence. The host has to be booted into a Xen kernel, extra mgmt overhead. I suppose Rdesktop will have to be it. I heard OpenNX can virtualize just an application and I hear there's an edition for windows. Don't know if its true, but I will have a looky! Thanks! jlc From: Kurt Buff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:59 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Supporting Linux Clients Well, as an alternative, we will be providing a TS machine in the production area, and they can use rdesktop in their favorite unix flavor to connect to that. On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Matteson, John H Jr USA Mr USA 25th SigBN (ITT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For your *nix geeks, if they really don't want to use Windows for their desk top, there was an OS replacement for NT that was really an X-windows server (or client however you view that sort of mess) that made a Windows based desktop available for *nix boxes. You can control that type of environment all you want. I had it up in a test phase for our circuit provisioners that used Sun boxes and barely had room for their 3000 dollar Gateway boxes (this was back in the early 90's). We had Word, Outlook (for Exchange 4.0) and a couple of other office apps running on the X-windows server desktop. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems FOB Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium - 717.633.3823 Roshain - 079 - 736 - 3832 A man who thinks of himself as belonging to a particular national group in America has not yet become an American. And the man who goes among you to trade upon your nationality is no worthy son to live under the Stars and Stripes. Woodrow Wilson -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:57 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Supporting Linux Clients Heh. Definitely not there yet. But I expect to have made great progress by this time next year. On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Don Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good luck - I personally think you are going the right direction - we're still trying to get there. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Supporting Linux Clients On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Joseph L. Casale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMAP is out of the question, so I am stuck! IMAP is really the way to go for this kind of thing. IMAP is the Internet standard for server-based mailbox access, same way that SMTPis the Internet standard for mail transport. Any chance you can getthat restriction re-thought? -- Ben While I agree that IMAP is a good standard, I come at it from a different POV: Using IMAP denies individual use of certain features that might be important to the enterprise. Certainly calendaring, voting buttons, and some other goodies aren't going to be supported. Joseph didn't state the customer culture or use case for his environment, so I can't comment on that, but in my $job, we have a few (literally - no more than 3) engineers who have been absolutely adamant about using Linux to access our Exchange installation. Sucks to be them - they get the web interface. In point of fact, I'm still working towards a corporate environment where the standard tasks (email/word processing/spreadsheets/etc.) will be done on Windows machines, in a tightly controlled desktop environment where users are local users, not local administrators. It's a long row to hoe, but I'm starting to make headway. The flip side of that, though, is that the engineers will have two machines, one on the corporate domain, the other in a test/dev network that won't talk (except in tightly controlled ways) to the corporate network. They'll have their own lab manager for the things they do, though I'll probably still be on tap for whatever help is needed. Bottom line - no IMAP for you! Different POV and business requirements is all. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http
RE: Supporting Linux Clients
You should just be able to install and enable WebDav and it work just fine. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 2:21 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Supporting Linux Clients Anyone here supporting Linux clients off e2k7? Evolution has a plug-in that is not supported by its devs and doesn't really work. IMAP is out of the question, so I am stuck! Apparently the Old Evolution method of accessing mail via http doesn't work in e2k7. Any ideas would be appreciated! jlc ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Supporting Linux Clients
Darn, not in front any nix box atm. You mean the Webdav server type in Evolution? If so, I'll pass out. I have been battling this for a month! I'll try to setup a vnc session here asap. Thanks, jlc From: Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 12:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Supporting Linux Clients You should just be able to install and enable WebDav and it work just fine. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 2:21 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Supporting Linux Clients Anyone here supporting Linux clients off e2k7? Evolution has a plug-in that is not supported by its devs and doesn't really work. IMAP is out of the question, so I am stuck! Apparently the Old Evolution method of accessing mail via http doesn't work in e2k7. Any ideas would be appreciated! jlc ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Supporting Linux Clients
No, I mean enabling webdav on the Exchange 2007 server - then the old Evolution method of accessing via HTTP will work (that's using webdav). It's not enabled by default anymore. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Supporting Linux Clients Darn, not in front any nix box atm. You mean the Webdav server type in Evolution? If so, I'll pass out. I have been battling this for a month! I'll try to setup a vnc session here asap. Thanks, jlc _ From: Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 12:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Supporting Linux Clients You should just be able to install and enable WebDav and it work just fine. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 2:21 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Supporting Linux Clients Anyone here supporting Linux clients off e2k7? Evolution has a plug-in that is not supported by its devs and doesn't really work. IMAP is out of the question, so I am stuck! Apparently the Old Evolution method of accessing mail via http doesn't work in e2k7. Any ideas would be appreciated! jlc ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Supporting Linux Clients
Me thinks there is some caveat regarding a single e2k7 server setup and that /exchange vir dir. Am I correct in assuming I can just use /owa? I tried both after enabling webdav in iis mangler and the plugin complained it only works in 2000/3 :( Anyway around that you think? Thanks! jlc ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Supporting Linux Clients
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Joseph L. Casale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMAP is out of the question, so I am stuck! IMAP is really the way to go for this kind of thing. IMAP is the Internet standard for server-based mailbox access, same way that SMTP is the Internet standard for mail transport. Any chance you can get that restriction re-thought? -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Supporting Linux Clients
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Joseph L. Casale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMAP is out of the question, so I am stuck! IMAP is really the way to go for this kind of thing. IMAP is the Internet standard for server-based mailbox access, same way that SMTP is the Internet standard for mail transport. Any chance you can get that restriction re-thought? -- Ben While I agree that IMAP is a good standard, I come at it from a different POV: Using IMAP denies individual use of certain features that might be important to the enterprise. Certainly calendaring, voting buttons, and some other goodies aren't going to be supported. Joseph didn't state the customer culture or use case for his environment, so I can't comment on that, but in my $job, we have a few (literally - no more than 3) engineers who have been absolutely adamant about using Linux to access our Exchange installation. Sucks to be them - they get the web interface. In point of fact, I'm still working towards a corporate environment where the standard tasks (email/word processing/spreadsheets/etc.) will be done on Windows machines, in a tightly controlled desktop environment where users are local users, not local administrators. It's a long row to hoe, but I'm starting to make headway. The flip side of that, though, is that the engineers will have two machines, one on the corporate domain, the other in a test/dev network that won't talk (except in tightly controlled ways) to the corporate network. They'll have their own lab manager for the things they do, though I'll probably still be on tap for whatever help is needed. Bottom line - no IMAP for you! Different POV and business requirements is all. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Supporting Linux Clients
Problem with IMAP for me is the large mailboxes. I don't know if its Evo's fault, or IMAP's fault but the performance is *not* usable... Hrm... I guess I have to wait to till the Evo devs make the IMAPI plugin work! jlc From: Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 4:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Supporting Linux Clients On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Joseph L. Casale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMAP is out of the question, so I am stuck! IMAP is really the way to go for this kind of thing. IMAP is the Internet standard for server-based mailbox access, same way that SMTP is the Internet standard for mail transport. Any chance you can get that restriction re-thought? -- Ben ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Supporting Linux Clients
Good luck - I personally think you are going the right direction - we're still trying to get there. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Supporting Linux Clients On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Joseph L. Casale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMAP is out of the question, so I am stuck! IMAP is really the way to go for this kind of thing. IMAP is the Internet standard for server-based mailbox access, same way that SMTP is the Internet standard for mail transport. Any chance you can get that restriction re-thought? -- Ben While I agree that IMAP is a good standard, I come at it from a different POV: Using IMAP denies individual use of certain features that might be important to the enterprise. Certainly calendaring, voting buttons, and some other goodies aren't going to be supported. Joseph didn't state the customer culture or use case for his environment, so I can't comment on that, but in my $job, we have a few (literally - no more than 3) engineers who have been absolutely adamant about using Linux to access our Exchange installation. Sucks to be them - they get the web interface. In point of fact, I'm still working towards a corporate environment where the standard tasks (email/word processing/spreadsheets/etc.) will be done on Windows machines, in a tightly controlled desktop environment where users are local users, not local administrators. It's a long row to hoe, but I'm starting to make headway. The flip side of that, though, is that the engineers will have two machines, one on the corporate domain, the other in a test/dev network that won't talk (except in tightly controlled ways) to the corporate network. They'll have their own lab manager for the things they do, though I'll probably still be on tap for whatever help is needed. Bottom line - no IMAP for you! Different POV and business requirements is all. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: Supporting Linux Clients
Heh. Definitely not there yet. But I expect to have made great progress by this time next year. On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Don Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good luck - I personally think you are going the right direction - we're still trying to get there. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Supporting Linux Clients On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Joseph L. Casale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMAP is out of the question, so I am stuck! IMAP is really the way to go for this kind of thing. IMAP is the Internet standard for server-based mailbox access, same way that SMTP is the Internet standard for mail transport. Any chance you can get that restriction re-thought? -- Ben While I agree that IMAP is a good standard, I come at it from a different POV: Using IMAP denies individual use of certain features that might be important to the enterprise. Certainly calendaring, voting buttons, and some other goodies aren't going to be supported. Joseph didn't state the customer culture or use case for his environment, so I can't comment on that, but in my $job, we have a few (literally - no more than 3) engineers who have been absolutely adamant about using Linux to access our Exchange installation. Sucks to be them - they get the web interface. In point of fact, I'm still working towards a corporate environment where the standard tasks (email/word processing/spreadsheets/etc.) will be done on Windows machines, in a tightly controlled desktop environment where users are local users, not local administrators. It's a long row to hoe, but I'm starting to make headway. The flip side of that, though, is that the engineers will have two machines, one on the corporate domain, the other in a test/dev network that won't talk (except in tightly controlled ways) to the corporate network. They'll have their own lab manager for the things they do, though I'll probably still be on tap for whatever help is needed. Bottom line - no IMAP for you! Different POV and business requirements is all. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Supporting Linux Clients
For your *nix geeks, if they really don't want to use Windows for their desk top, there was an OS replacement for NT that was really an X-windows server (or client however you view that sort of mess) that made a Windows based desktop available for *nix boxes. You can control that type of environment all you want. I had it up in a test phase for our circuit provisioners that used Sun boxes and barely had room for their 3000 dollar Gateway boxes (this was back in the early 90's). We had Word, Outlook (for Exchange 4.0) and a couple of other office apps running on the X-windows server desktop. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems FOB Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium - 717.633.3823 Roshain - 079 - 736 - 3832 A man who thinks of himself as belonging to a particular national group in America has not yet become an American. And the man who goes among you to trade upon your nationality is no worthy son to live under the Stars and Stripes. Woodrow Wilson -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:57 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Supporting Linux Clients Heh. Definitely not there yet. But I expect to have made great progress by this time next year. On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Don Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good luck - I personally think you are going the right direction - we're still trying to get there. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Supporting Linux Clients On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Joseph L. Casale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMAP is out of the question, so I am stuck! IMAP is really the way to go for this kind of thing. IMAP is the Internet standard for server-based mailbox access, same way that SMTPis the Internet standard for mail transport. Any chance you can getthat restriction re-thought? -- Ben While I agree that IMAP is a good standard, I come at it from a different POV: Using IMAP denies individual use of certain features that might be important to the enterprise. Certainly calendaring, voting buttons, and some other goodies aren't going to be supported. Joseph didn't state the customer culture or use case for his environment, so I can't comment on that, but in my $job, we have a few (literally - no more than 3) engineers who have been absolutely adamant about using Linux to access our Exchange installation. Sucks to be them - they get the web interface. In point of fact, I'm still working towards a corporate environment where the standard tasks (email/word processing/spreadsheets/etc.) will be done on Windows machines, in a tightly controlled desktop environment where users are local users, not local administrators. It's a long row to hoe, but I'm starting to make headway. The flip side of that, though, is that the engineers will have two machines, one on the corporate domain, the other in a test/dev network that won't talk (except in tightly controlled ways) to the corporate network. They'll have their own lab manager for the things they do, though I'll probably still be on tap for whatever help is needed. Bottom line - no IMAP for you! Different POV and business requirements is all. Kurt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Supporting Linux Clients
For your *nix geeks, if they really don't want to use Windows for their desk top, there was an OS replacement for NT that was really an X-windows server (or client however you view that sort of mess) that made a Windows based desktop available for *nix boxes. You can control that type of environment all you want. I had it up in a test phase for our circuit provisioners that used Sun boxes and barely had room for their 3000 dollar Gateway boxes (this was back in the early 90's). We had Word, Outlook (for Exchange 4.0) and a couple of other office apps running on the X-windows server desktop. John H. Matteson, Jr. Systems Administrator/ITT Systems FOB Orgun-E Afghanistan DSN - 318 431 8001 VoSIP - (308) 431 - Iridium - 717.633.3823 Roshain - 079 - 736 - 3832 John, I am interested in looking at this, can you provide some details, like a url? Thanks! jlc ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
