RE: Archiving (again)
Why do you want to get the data off the Exchange server? Exchange now has fairly minimal requirements for i/o so you no longer need high performance storage. Since SP1 whilst the archives MUST be on AN Exchange server it does not need to be the same server that the primary database is on. Even if it is on the same server you can have some slower storage for the archives. Sadly I did find that the OWA search only searches a single datastore so you need to select the archive to search, but at least its accessible from OWA by default without having to add extra's in. Dave Wade -Original Message- From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: 13 March 2012 19:10 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Archiving (again) I think I may have asked this a year or two ago, but, here I am again. A while back I bought the Exchange Archiver from Sunbelt, and found out that they didn't recommend putting it on a DC. So, it went on the backburner for a little over a year, and a few weeks ago, I freed up a server and reinstalled it as a member server. I was now ready to install the archiver. Found out that the product was sold off to Metalogix. So, I talked to them and they told me a tech wouldn't be available to do the install (over the phone) for two weeks. I made the appointment and waited. As it turns out, Metalogix support is horrible. I've been put off four times now about doing the install... each time they say they can do it, then they either never call me, or email me and say they're too busy. So, I'd like to give up on this product, but I'd like to know what current products you guys are having good luck with? Essentially I've got an Exchange 2010 Enterprise Server with just a few (less than 25) mailboxes and a total store of 155 GB. My reason for archiving is to get the mail off the Exchange server and onto a separate server, and have it be indexed so that people can search large mailboxes very quickly. I don't think Exchange's native archiving would work for me because from what I've read it has to be done on the same server as the Exchange server, so I don't think that's going to speed up searches. Any other products I could look at? Thanks, as always, Evan --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist ** The Council has launched its Streets Ahead initiative to show how we can keep Stockport moving during the winter months. For all the latest news visit the new web pages at www.stockport.gov.uk/streetsahead This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. As a public body, the Council may be required to disclose this email, or any response to it, under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, unless the information in it is covered by one of the exemptions in the Act. If you receive this email in error please notify Stockport ICT, Corporate Support Services via email.qu...@stockport.gov.uk and then permanently remove it from your system. Thank you. http://www.stockport.gov.uk ** --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Archiving (again)
Our biggest issue with Sunbelt is that they were totally wrong in the estimate of how much storage was required. What was supposed to handle 5 years filled in just over a year. -Paul -Original Message- From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Archiving (again) I concur on their less than ideal support but once set up the software is pretty much set and forget. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 02:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Archiving (again) I think I may have asked this a year or two ago, but, here I am again. A while back I bought the Exchange Archiver from Sunbelt, and found out that they didn't recommend putting it on a DC. So, it went on the backburner for a little over a year, and a few weeks ago, I freed up a server and reinstalled it as a member server. I was now ready to install the archiver. Found out that the product was sold off to Metalogix. So, I talked to them and they told me a tech wouldn't be available to do the install (over the phone) for two weeks. I made the appointment and waited. As it turns out, Metalogix support is horrible. I've been put off four times now about doing the install... each time they say they can do it, then they either never call me, or email me and say they're too busy. So, I'd like to give up on this product, but I'd like to know what current products you guys are having good luck with? Essentially I've got an Exchange 2010 Enterprise Server with just a few (less than 25) mailboxes and a total store of 155 GB. My reason for archiving is to get the mail off the Exchange server and onto a separate server, and have it be indexed so that people can search large mailboxes very quickly. I don't think Exchange's native archiving would work for me because from what I've read it has to be done on the same server as the Exchange server, so I don't think that's going to speed up searches. Any other products I could look at? Thanks, as always, Evan --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Archiving (again)
I have to ask, how was this estimate arrived at? John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 09:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Our biggest issue with Sunbelt is that they were totally wrong in the estimate of how much storage was required. What was supposed to handle 5 years filled in just over a year. -Paul -Original Message- From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Archiving (again) I concur on their less than ideal support but once set up the software is pretty much set and forget. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 02:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Archiving (again) I think I may have asked this a year or two ago, but, here I am again. A while back I bought the Exchange Archiver from Sunbelt, and found out that they didn't recommend putting it on a DC. So, it went on the backburner for a little over a year, and a few weeks ago, I freed up a server and reinstalled it as a member server. I was now ready to install the archiver. Found out that the product was sold off to Metalogix. So, I talked to them and they told me a tech wouldn't be available to do the install (over the phone) for two weeks. I made the appointment and waited. As it turns out, Metalogix support is horrible. I've been put off four times now about doing the install... each time they say they can do it, then they either never call me, or email me and say they're too busy. So, I'd like to give up on this product, but I'd like to know what current products you guys are having good luck with? Essentially I've got an Exchange 2010 Enterprise Server with just a few (less than 25) mailboxes and a total store of 155 GB. My reason for archiving is to get the mail off the Exchange server and onto a separate server, and have it be indexed so that people can search large mailboxes very quickly. I don't think Exchange's native archiving would work for me because from what I've read it has to be done on the same server as the Exchange server, so I don't think that's going to speed up searches. Any other products I could look at? Thanks, as always, Evan --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana
RE: Archiving (again)
Data expands to fill the storage available -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Our biggest issue with Sunbelt is that they were totally wrong in the estimate of how much storage was required. What was supposed to handle 5 years filled in just over a year. -Paul -Original Message- From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Archiving (again) I concur on their less than ideal support but once set up the software is pretty much set and forget. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 02:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Archiving (again) I think I may have asked this a year or two ago, but, here I am again. A while back I bought the Exchange Archiver from Sunbelt, and found out that they didn't recommend putting it on a DC. So, it went on the backburner for a little over a year, and a few weeks ago, I freed up a server and reinstalled it as a member server. I was now ready to install the archiver. Found out that the product was sold off to Metalogix. So, I talked to them and they told me a tech wouldn't be available to do the install (over the phone) for two weeks. I made the appointment and waited. As it turns out, Metalogix support is horrible. I've been put off four times now about doing the install... each time they say they can do it, then they either never call me, or email me and say they're too busy. So, I'd like to give up on this product, but I'd like to know what current products you guys are having good luck with? Essentially I've got an Exchange 2010 Enterprise Server with just a few (less than 25) mailboxes and a total store of 155 GB. My reason for archiving is to get the mail off the Exchange server and onto a separate server, and have it be indexed so that people can search large mailboxes very quickly. I don't think Exchange's native archiving would work for me because from what I've read it has to be done on the same server as the Exchange server, so I don't think that's going to speed up searches. Any other products I could look at? Thanks, as always, Evan --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Archiving (again)
I can't complain about their service. I have been archiving since April 2009 and total archived messages = 11.65 Million messages taking about 520Gb of data this is for about 250 users. Stefan On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:23 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: I have to ask, how was this estimate arrived at? John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 09:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Our biggest issue with Sunbelt is that they were totally wrong in the estimate of how much storage was required. What was supposed to handle 5 years filled in just over a year. -Paul -Original Message- From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Archiving (again) I concur on their less than ideal support but once set up the software is pretty much set and forget. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 02:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Archiving (again) I think I may have asked this a year or two ago, but, here I am again. A while back I bought the Exchange Archiver from Sunbelt, and found out that they didn't recommend putting it on a DC. So, it went on the backburner for a little over a year, and a few weeks ago, I freed up a server and reinstalled it as a member server. I was now ready to install the archiver. Found out that the product was sold off to Metalogix. So, I talked to them and they told me a tech wouldn't be available to do the install (over the phone) for two weeks. I made the appointment and waited. As it turns out, Metalogix support is horrible. I've been put off four times now about doing the install... each time they say they can do it, then they either never call me, or email me and say they're too busy. So, I'd like to give up on this product, but I'd like to know what current products you guys are having good luck with? Essentially I've got an Exchange 2010 Enterprise Server with just a few (less than 25) mailboxes and a total store of 155 GB. My reason for archiving is to get the mail off the Exchange server and onto a separate server, and have it be indexed so that people can search large mailboxes very quickly. I don't think Exchange's native archiving would work for me because from what I've read it has to be done on the same server as the Exchange server, so I don't think that's going to speed up searches. Any other products I could look at? Thanks, as always, Evan --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper
RE: Archiving (again)
No matter how big you build it, they will fill it. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:56 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Data expands to fill the storage available -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Our biggest issue with Sunbelt is that they were totally wrong in the estimate of how much storage was required. What was supposed to handle 5 years filled in just over a year. -Paul -Original Message- From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Archiving (again) I concur on their less than ideal support but once set up the software is pretty much set and forget. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 02:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Archiving (again) I think I may have asked this a year or two ago, but, here I am again. A while back I bought the Exchange Archiver from Sunbelt, and found out that they didn't recommend putting it on a DC. So, it went on the backburner for a little over a year, and a few weeks ago, I freed up a server and reinstalled it as a member server. I was now ready to install the archiver. Found out that the product was sold off to Metalogix. So, I talked to them and they told me a tech wouldn't be available to do the install (over the phone) for two weeks. I made the appointment and waited. As it turns out, Metalogix support is horrible. I've been put off four times now about doing the install... each time they say they can do it, then they either never call me, or email me and say they're too busy. So, I'd like to give up on this product, but I'd like to know what current products you guys are having good luck with? Essentially I've got an Exchange 2010 Enterprise Server with just a few (less than 25) mailboxes and a total store of 155 GB. My reason for archiving is to get the mail off the Exchange server and onto a separate server, and have it be indexed so that people can search large mailboxes very quickly. I don't think Exchange's native archiving would work for me because from what I've read it has to be done on the same server as the Exchange server, so I don't think that's going to speed up searches. Any other products I could look at? Thanks, as always, Evan --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Archiving (again)
More typically, even after de-duplication and compression, Data expands to fill 110% of the storage available. Could this be because manufacturers size disks in normal GigaBytes (1000**3) but servers measure free storage as binary (1024**3) Gbytes? Dave Wade 0161 474 5456 -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: 14 March 2012 13:28 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Our biggest issue with Sunbelt is that they were totally wrong in the estimate of how much storage was required. What was supposed to handle 5 years filled in just over a year. -Paul -Original Message- From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Archiving (again) I concur on their less than ideal support but once set up the software is pretty much set and forget. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 02:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Archiving (again) I think I may have asked this a year or two ago, but, here I am again. A while back I bought the Exchange Archiver from Sunbelt, and found out that they didn't recommend putting it on a DC. So, it went on the backburner for a little over a year, and a few weeks ago, I freed up a server and reinstalled it as a member server. I was now ready to install the archiver. Found out that the product was sold off to Metalogix. So, I talked to them and they told me a tech wouldn't be available to do the install (over the phone) for two weeks. I made the appointment and waited. As it turns out, Metalogix support is horrible. I've been put off four times now about doing the install... each time they say they can do it, then they either never call me, or email me and say they're too busy. So, I'd like to give up on this product, but I'd like to know what current products you guys are having good luck with? Essentially I've got an Exchange 2010 Enterprise Server with just a few (less than 25) mailboxes and a total store of 155 GB. My reason for archiving is to get the mail off the Exchange server and onto a separate server, and have it be indexed so that people can search large mailboxes very quickly. I don't think Exchange's native archiving would work for me because from what I've read it has to be done on the same server as the Exchange server, so I don't think that's going to speed up searches. Any other products I could look at? Thanks, as always, Evan --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist ** The Council has launched its Streets Ahead initiative to show how we can keep Stockport moving during the winter months. For all the latest news visit the new web pages at www.stockport.gov.uk/streetsahead This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. As a public body, the Council may be required to disclose this email
RE: Archiving (again)
I don't remember all details, but basically average number of emails/day and length of time we wanted to keep them. -Original Message- From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 8:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Archiving (again) I have to ask, how was this estimate arrived at? John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 09:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Our biggest issue with Sunbelt is that they were totally wrong in the estimate of how much storage was required. What was supposed to handle 5 years filled in just over a year. -Paul -Original Message- From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Archiving (again) I concur on their less than ideal support but once set up the software is pretty much set and forget. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 02:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Archiving (again) I think I may have asked this a year or two ago, but, here I am again. A while back I bought the Exchange Archiver from Sunbelt, and found out that they didn't recommend putting it on a DC. So, it went on the backburner for a little over a year, and a few weeks ago, I freed up a server and reinstalled it as a member server. I was now ready to install the archiver. Found out that the product was sold off to Metalogix. So, I talked to them and they told me a tech wouldn't be available to do the install (over the phone) for two weeks. I made the appointment and waited. As it turns out, Metalogix support is horrible. I've been put off four times now about doing the install... each time they say they can do it, then they either never call me, or email me and say they're too busy. So, I'd like to give up on this product, but I'd like to know what current products you guys are having good luck with? Essentially I've got an Exchange 2010 Enterprise Server with just a few (less than 25) mailboxes and a total store of 155 GB. My reason for archiving is to get the mail off the Exchange server and onto a separate server, and have it be indexed so that people can search large mailboxes very quickly. I don't think Exchange's native archiving would work for me because from what I've read it has to be done on the same server as the Exchange server, so I don't think that's going to speed up searches. Any other products I could look at? Thanks, as always, Evan --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure
RE: Archiving (again)
Yep, I call it the fish tank principle around here. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 8:28 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Data expands to fill the storage available -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Our biggest issue with Sunbelt is that they were totally wrong in the estimate of how much storage was required. What was supposed to handle 5 years filled in just over a year. -Paul -Original Message- From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Archiving (again) I concur on their less than ideal support but once set up the software is pretty much set and forget. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 02:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Archiving (again) I think I may have asked this a year or two ago, but, here I am again. A while back I bought the Exchange Archiver from Sunbelt, and found out that they didn't recommend putting it on a DC. So, it went on the backburner for a little over a year, and a few weeks ago, I freed up a server and reinstalled it as a member server. I was now ready to install the archiver. Found out that the product was sold off to Metalogix. So, I talked to them and they told me a tech wouldn't be available to do the install (over the phone) for two weeks. I made the appointment and waited. As it turns out, Metalogix support is horrible. I've been put off four times now about doing the install... each time they say they can do it, then they either never call me, or email me and say they're too busy. So, I'd like to give up on this product, but I'd like to know what current products you guys are having good luck with? Essentially I've got an Exchange 2010 Enterprise Server with just a few (less than 25) mailboxes and a total store of 155 GB. My reason for archiving is to get the mail off the Exchange server and onto a separate server, and have it be indexed so that people can search large mailboxes very quickly. I don't think Exchange's native archiving would work for me because from what I've read it has to be done on the same server as the Exchange server, so I don't think that's going to speed up searches. Any other products I could look at? Thanks, as always, Evan --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Archiving (again)
Hi Dave, I'd like to get it off the Exchange server so that I can free up resources and essentially keep my email server fast while people are searching archives. Again, since speed is my concern far more so than storage, I'm figuring throwing twice the hardware at a problem will help :) Thanks, Evan -Original Message- From: Dave Wade [mailto:dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:27 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Why do you want to get the data off the Exchange server? Exchange now has fairly minimal requirements for i/o so you no longer need high performance storage. Since SP1 whilst the archives MUST be on AN Exchange server it does not need to be the same server that the primary database is on. Even if it is on the same server you can have some slower storage for the archives. Sadly I did find that the OWA search only searches a single datastore so you need to select the archive to search, but at least its accessible from OWA by default without having to add extra's in. Dave Wade -Original Message- From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: 13 March 2012 19:10 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Archiving (again) I think I may have asked this a year or two ago, but, here I am again. A while back I bought the Exchange Archiver from Sunbelt, and found out that they didn't recommend putting it on a DC. So, it went on the backburner for a little over a year, and a few weeks ago, I freed up a server and reinstalled it as a member server. I was now ready to install the archiver. Found out that the product was sold off to Metalogix. So, I talked to them and they told me a tech wouldn't be available to do the install (over the phone) for two weeks. I made the appointment and waited. As it turns out, Metalogix support is horrible. I've been put off four times now about doing the install... each time they say they can do it, then they either never call me, or email me and say they're too busy. So, I'd like to give up on this product, but I'd like to know what current products you guys are having good luck with? Essentially I've got an Exchange 2010 Enterprise Server with just a few (less than 25) mailboxes and a total store of 155 GB. My reason for archiving is to get the mail off the Exchange server and onto a separate server, and have it be indexed so that people can search large mailboxes very quickly. I don't think Exchange's native archiving would work for me because from what I've read it has to be done on the same server as the Exchange server, so I don't think that's going to speed up searches. Any other products I could look at? Thanks, as always, Evan --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist ** The Council has launched its Streets Ahead initiative to show how we can keep Stockport moving during the winter months. For all the latest news visit the new web pages at www.stockport.gov.uk/streetsahead This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. As a public body, the Council may be required to disclose this email, or any response to it, under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, unless the information in it is covered by one of the exemptions in the Act. If you receive this email in error please notify Stockport ICT, Corporate Support Services via email.qu...@stockport.gov.uk and then permanently remove it from your system. Thank you. http://www.stockport.gov.uk ** --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Archiving (again)
My current issue is that although the install was supposed to be done by a level 2 tech this morning, it was postponed because he forgot to mention last night that the Exchange 2010 server needed to be at SP2 rollup 1, which mine is not. My bigger issue is a concern about something else he told me - that he has seen many times where updating to SP2 rollup 1 completely bombs the server and it has to be restored from backups. Are there some things I could do before running SP2 R1 that would minimize the chances of this happening!? Thanks, Evan -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Our biggest issue with Sunbelt is that they were totally wrong in the estimate of how much storage was required. What was supposed to handle 5 years filled in just over a year. -Paul -Original Message- From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Archiving (again) I concur on their less than ideal support but once set up the software is pretty much set and forget. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 02:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Archiving (again) I think I may have asked this a year or two ago, but, here I am again. A while back I bought the Exchange Archiver from Sunbelt, and found out that they didn't recommend putting it on a DC. So, it went on the backburner for a little over a year, and a few weeks ago, I freed up a server and reinstalled it as a member server. I was now ready to install the archiver. Found out that the product was sold off to Metalogix. So, I talked to them and they told me a tech wouldn't be available to do the install (over the phone) for two weeks. I made the appointment and waited. As it turns out, Metalogix support is horrible. I've been put off four times now about doing the install... each time they say they can do it, then they either never call me, or email me and say they're too busy. So, I'd like to give up on this product, but I'd like to know what current products you guys are having good luck with? Essentially I've got an Exchange 2010 Enterprise Server with just a few (less than 25) mailboxes and a total store of 155 GB. My reason for archiving is to get the mail off the Exchange server and onto a separate server, and have it be indexed so that people can search large mailboxes very quickly. I don't think Exchange's native archiving would work for me because from what I've read it has to be done on the same server as the Exchange server, so I don't think that's going to speed up searches. Any other products I could look at? Thanks, as always, Evan --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Archiving (again)
Well your users attachment habits play a huge part in it. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:07 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Archiving (again) I don't remember all details, but basically average number of emails/day and length of time we wanted to keep them. -Original Message- From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 8:24 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Archiving (again) I have to ask, how was this estimate arrived at? John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 09:10 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Our biggest issue with Sunbelt is that they were totally wrong in the estimate of how much storage was required. What was supposed to handle 5 years filled in just over a year. -Paul -Original Message- From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Archiving (again) I concur on their less than ideal support but once set up the software is pretty much set and forget. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 02:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Archiving (again) I think I may have asked this a year or two ago, but, here I am again. A while back I bought the Exchange Archiver from Sunbelt, and found out that they didn't recommend putting it on a DC. So, it went on the backburner for a little over a year, and a few weeks ago, I freed up a server and reinstalled it as a member server. I was now ready to install the archiver. Found out that the product was sold off to Metalogix. So, I talked to them and they told me a tech wouldn't be available to do the install (over the phone) for two weeks. I made the appointment and waited. As it turns out, Metalogix support is horrible. I've been put off four times now about doing the install... each time they say they can do it, then they either never call me, or email me and say they're too busy. So, I'd like to give up on this product, but I'd like to know what current products you guys are having good luck with? Essentially I've got an Exchange 2010 Enterprise Server with just a few (less than 25) mailboxes and a total store of 155 GB. My reason for archiving is to get the mail off the Exchange server and onto a separate server, and have it be indexed so that people can search large mailboxes very quickly. I don't think Exchange's native archiving would work for me because from what I've read it has to be done on the same server as the Exchange server, so I don't think that's going to speed up searches. Any other products I could look at? Thanks, as always, Evan --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action
RE: Archiving (again)
With Exchange archive mailboxes aren't they accessed online so the clients being always connected put an extra resource strain on the exchange server. Isn't cache mode one of the ways Microsoft got the server requirements so low on 2010? If I setup everyone with an archive mailbox won't I be back to ~2003-2007 server requirements because of all the online mailboxes? jb -Original Message- From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:19 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Hi Dave, I'd like to get it off the Exchange server so that I can free up resources and essentially keep my email server fast while people are searching archives. Again, since speed is my concern far more so than storage, I'm figuring throwing twice the hardware at a problem will help :) Thanks, Evan -Original Message- From: Dave Wade [mailto:dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:27 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Why do you want to get the data off the Exchange server? Exchange now has fairly minimal requirements for i/o so you no longer need high performance storage. Since SP1 whilst the archives MUST be on AN Exchange server it does not need to be the same server that the primary database is on. Even if it is on the same server you can have some slower storage for the archives. Sadly I did find that the OWA search only searches a single datastore so you need to select the archive to search, but at least its accessible from OWA by default without having to add extra's in. Dave Wade -Original Message- From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: 13 March 2012 19:10 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Archiving (again) I think I may have asked this a year or two ago, but, here I am again. A while back I bought the Exchange Archiver from Sunbelt, and found out that they didn't recommend putting it on a DC. So, it went on the backburner for a little over a year, and a few weeks ago, I freed up a server and reinstalled it as a member server. I was now ready to install the archiver. Found out that the product was sold off to Metalogix. So, I talked to them and they told me a tech wouldn't be available to do the install (over the phone) for two weeks. I made the appointment and waited. As it turns out, Metalogix support is horrible. I've been put off four times now about doing the install... each time they say they can do it, then they either never call me, or email me and say they're too busy. So, I'd like to give up on this product, but I'd like to know what current products you guys are having good luck with? Essentially I've got an Exchange 2010 Enterprise Server with just a few (less than 25) mailboxes and a total store of 155 GB. My reason for archiving is to get the mail off the Exchange server and onto a separate server, and have it be indexed so that people can search large mailboxes very quickly. I don't think Exchange's native archiving would work for me because from what I've read it has to be done on the same server as the Exchange server, so I don't think that's going to speed up searches. Any other products I could look at? Thanks, as always, Evan --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist ** The Council has launched its Streets Ahead initiative to show how we can keep Stockport moving during the winter months. For all the latest news visit the new web pages at www.stockport.gov.uk/streetsahead This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. As a public body, the Council may be required to disclose this email, or any response to it, under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, unless the information in it is covered by one of the exemptions in the Act. If you receive this email in error please notify Stockport ICT, Corporate Support Services via email.qu...@stockport.gov.uk and then permanently remove it from your system. Thank you. http://www.stockport.gov.uk ** --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body
RE: Archiving (again)
My bigger issue is a concern about something else he told me - that he has seen many times where updating to SP2 rollup 1 completely bombs the server and it has to be restored from backups. Yeah, sure... And MS has not seen it, but he has? Don't you think it would be pulled if it were possibly bad? I'd also hazard to suggest that MS may have installed it one or three times more than he has? Are there some things I could do before running SP2 R1 that would minimize the chances of this happening!? Turn the page, I think you have beat that dead horse enough? --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Archiving (again)
Malarkey. Tell him he's fully of it. And that I said so. :-) But yes, I have a process/procedure of the proper way to prepare for installing service packs and update rollups to minimize ANY risk: http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2011/12/07/installing-exchange-2010-service-pack-2.aspx Regards, Michael B. -Original Message- From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:22 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) My current issue is that although the install was supposed to be done by a level 2 tech this morning, it was postponed because he forgot to mention last night that the Exchange 2010 server needed to be at SP2 rollup 1, which mine is not. My bigger issue is a concern about something else he told me - that he has seen many times where updating to SP2 rollup 1 completely bombs the server and it has to be restored from backups. Are there some things I could do before running SP2 R1 that would minimize the chances of this happening!? Thanks, Evan -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Our biggest issue with Sunbelt is that they were totally wrong in the estimate of how much storage was required. What was supposed to handle 5 years filled in just over a year. -Paul -Original Message- From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Archiving (again) I concur on their less than ideal support but once set up the software is pretty much set and forget. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 02:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Archiving (again) I think I may have asked this a year or two ago, but, here I am again. A while back I bought the Exchange Archiver from Sunbelt, and found out that they didn't recommend putting it on a DC. So, it went on the backburner for a little over a year, and a few weeks ago, I freed up a server and reinstalled it as a member server. I was now ready to install the archiver. Found out that the product was sold off to Metalogix. So, I talked to them and they told me a tech wouldn't be available to do the install (over the phone) for two weeks. I made the appointment and waited. As it turns out, Metalogix support is horrible. I've been put off four times now about doing the install... each time they say they can do it, then they either never call me, or email me and say they're too busy. So, I'd like to give up on this product, but I'd like to know what current products you guys are having good luck with? Essentially I've got an Exchange 2010 Enterprise Server with just a few (less than 25) mailboxes and a total store of 155 GB. My reason for archiving is to get the mail off the Exchange server and onto a separate server, and have it be indexed so that people can search large mailboxes very quickly. I don't think Exchange's native archiving would work for me because from what I've read it has to be done on the same server as the Exchange server, so I don't think that's going to speed up searches. Any other products I could look at? Thanks, as always, Evan --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt
RE: Archiving (again)
Well, since I have very few users, everyone is online anyway. Not an issue for me... yet :) Thanks, Evan -Original Message- From: Jason Benway [mailto:benw...@jsjcorp.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:15 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) With Exchange archive mailboxes aren't they accessed online so the clients being always connected put an extra resource strain on the exchange server. Isn't cache mode one of the ways Microsoft got the server requirements so low on 2010? If I setup everyone with an archive mailbox won't I be back to ~2003-2007 server requirements because of all the online mailboxes? jb -Original Message- From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:19 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Hi Dave, I'd like to get it off the Exchange server so that I can free up resources and essentially keep my email server fast while people are searching archives. Again, since speed is my concern far more so than storage, I'm figuring throwing twice the hardware at a problem will help :) Thanks, Evan -Original Message- From: Dave Wade [mailto:dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:27 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Why do you want to get the data off the Exchange server? Exchange now has fairly minimal requirements for i/o so you no longer need high performance storage. Since SP1 whilst the archives MUST be on AN Exchange server it does not need to be the same server that the primary database is on. Even if it is on the same server you can have some slower storage for the archives. Sadly I did find that the OWA search only searches a single datastore so you need to select the archive to search, but at least its accessible from OWA by default without having to add extra's in. Dave Wade -Original Message- From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: 13 March 2012 19:10 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Archiving (again) I think I may have asked this a year or two ago, but, here I am again. A while back I bought the Exchange Archiver from Sunbelt, and found out that they didn't recommend putting it on a DC. So, it went on the backburner for a little over a year, and a few weeks ago, I freed up a server and reinstalled it as a member server. I was now ready to install the archiver. Found out that the product was sold off to Metalogix. So, I talked to them and they told me a tech wouldn't be available to do the install (over the phone) for two weeks. I made the appointment and waited. As it turns out, Metalogix support is horrible. I've been put off four times now about doing the install... each time they say they can do it, then they either never call me, or email me and say they're too busy. So, I'd like to give up on this product, but I'd like to know what current products you guys are having good luck with? Essentially I've got an Exchange 2010 Enterprise Server with just a few (less than 25) mailboxes and a total store of 155 GB. My reason for archiving is to get the mail off the Exchange server and onto a separate server, and have it be indexed so that people can search large mailboxes very quickly. I don't think Exchange's native archiving would work for me because from what I've read it has to be done on the same server as the Exchange server, so I don't think that's going to speed up searches. Any other products I could look at? Thanks, as always, Evan --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist ** The Council has launched its Streets Ahead initiative to show how we can keep Stockport moving during the winter months. For all the latest news visit the new web pages at www.stockport.gov.uk/streetsahead This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. As a public body, the Council may be required to disclose this email, or any response to it, under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, unless the information in it is covered by one of the exemptions in the Act. If you receive this email in error please notify Stockport ICT, Corporate Support Services via email.qu...@stockport.gov.uk and then permanently remove it from your system. Thank you. http://www.stockport.gov.uk ** --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com
RE: Archiving (again)
Hmm... didn't think I was beating a dead horse... that's the first time I asked that question :) I was only asking the list to see if people had had any experience that was similar to this tech's. Thought it might be a prudent thing to do when someone tells you something that could be quite disturbing to your business should it happen. Evan -Original Message- From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:25 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) My bigger issue is a concern about something else he told me - that he has seen many times where updating to SP2 rollup 1 completely bombs the server and it has to be restored from backups. Yeah, sure... And MS has not seen it, but he has? Don't you think it would be pulled if it were possibly bad? I'd also hazard to suggest that MS may have installed it one or three times more than he has? Are there some things I could do before running SP2 R1 that would minimize the chances of this happening!? Turn the page, I think you have beat that dead horse enough? --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Archiving (again)
Thanks Michael... exactly what I needed! Evan -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:38 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Malarkey. Tell him he's fully of it. And that I said so. :-) But yes, I have a process/procedure of the proper way to prepare for installing service packs and update rollups to minimize ANY risk: http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2011/12/07/installing-exchange-2010-service-pack-2.aspx Regards, Michael B. -Original Message- From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:22 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) My current issue is that although the install was supposed to be done by a level 2 tech this morning, it was postponed because he forgot to mention last night that the Exchange 2010 server needed to be at SP2 rollup 1, which mine is not. My bigger issue is a concern about something else he told me - that he has seen many times where updating to SP2 rollup 1 completely bombs the server and it has to be restored from backups. Are there some things I could do before running SP2 R1 that would minimize the chances of this happening!? Thanks, Evan -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Our biggest issue with Sunbelt is that they were totally wrong in the estimate of how much storage was required. What was supposed to handle 5 years filled in just over a year. -Paul -Original Message- From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Archiving (again) I concur on their less than ideal support but once set up the software is pretty much set and forget. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 02:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Archiving (again) I think I may have asked this a year or two ago, but, here I am again. A while back I bought the Exchange Archiver from Sunbelt, and found out that they didn't recommend putting it on a DC. So, it went on the backburner for a little over a year, and a few weeks ago, I freed up a server and reinstalled it as a member server. I was now ready to install the archiver. Found out that the product was sold off to Metalogix. So, I talked to them and they told me a tech wouldn't be available to do the install (over the phone) for two weeks. I made the appointment and waited. As it turns out, Metalogix support is horrible. I've been put off four times now about doing the install... each time they say they can do it, then they either never call me, or email me and say they're too busy. So, I'd like to give up on this product, but I'd like to know what current products you guys are having good luck with? Essentially I've got an Exchange 2010 Enterprise Server with just a few (less than 25) mailboxes and a total store of 155 GB. My reason for archiving is to get the mail off the Exchange server and onto a separate server, and have it be indexed so that people can search large mailboxes very quickly. I don't think Exchange's native archiving would work for me because from what I've read it has to be done on the same server as the Exchange server, so I don't think that's going to speed up searches. Any other products I could look at? Thanks, as always, Evan --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions
Re: Archiving (again)
+1 On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Evan Brastow ebras...@automatedemblem.com wrote: Hmm... didn't think I was beating a dead horse... that's the first time I asked that question :) I was only asking the list to see if people had had any experience that was similar to this tech's. Thought it might be a prudent thing to do when someone tells you something that could be quite disturbing to your business should it happen. Evan -Original Message- From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:25 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) My bigger issue is a concern about something else he told me - that he has seen many times where updating to SP2 rollup 1 completely bombs the server and it has to be restored from backups. Yeah, sure... And MS has not seen it, but he has? Don't you think it would be pulled if it were possibly bad? I'd also hazard to suggest that MS may have installed it one or three times more than he has? Are there some things I could do before running SP2 R1 that would minimize the chances of this happening!? Turn the page, I think you have beat that dead horse enough? --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist -- smsadm --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Archiving (again)
Cache mode has an impact, yes, but far less than the impact associated with RPC/HTTP vs. online mode. The primary reason for the reduction in I/O load is due to caching (i.e., loading indices into memory) and schema redesigns (i.e., changing the way the Exchange database is laid out on disk). -Original Message- From: Jason Benway [mailto:benw...@jsjcorp.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:15 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) With Exchange archive mailboxes aren't they accessed online so the clients being always connected put an extra resource strain on the exchange server. Isn't cache mode one of the ways Microsoft got the server requirements so low on 2010? If I setup everyone with an archive mailbox won't I be back to ~2003-2007 server requirements because of all the online mailboxes? jb -Original Message- From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:19 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Hi Dave, I'd like to get it off the Exchange server so that I can free up resources and essentially keep my email server fast while people are searching archives. Again, since speed is my concern far more so than storage, I'm figuring throwing twice the hardware at a problem will help :) Thanks, Evan -Original Message- From: Dave Wade [mailto:dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:27 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Why do you want to get the data off the Exchange server? Exchange now has fairly minimal requirements for i/o so you no longer need high performance storage. Since SP1 whilst the archives MUST be on AN Exchange server it does not need to be the same server that the primary database is on. Even if it is on the same server you can have some slower storage for the archives. Sadly I did find that the OWA search only searches a single datastore so you need to select the archive to search, but at least its accessible from OWA by default without having to add extra's in. Dave Wade -Original Message- From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: 13 March 2012 19:10 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Archiving (again) I think I may have asked this a year or two ago, but, here I am again. A while back I bought the Exchange Archiver from Sunbelt, and found out that they didn't recommend putting it on a DC. So, it went on the backburner for a little over a year, and a few weeks ago, I freed up a server and reinstalled it as a member server. I was now ready to install the archiver. Found out that the product was sold off to Metalogix. So, I talked to them and they told me a tech wouldn't be available to do the install (over the phone) for two weeks. I made the appointment and waited. As it turns out, Metalogix support is horrible. I've been put off four times now about doing the install... each time they say they can do it, then they either never call me, or email me and say they're too busy. So, I'd like to give up on this product, but I'd like to know what current products you guys are having good luck with? Essentially I've got an Exchange 2010 Enterprise Server with just a few (less than 25) mailboxes and a total store of 155 GB. My reason for archiving is to get the mail off the Exchange server and onto a separate server, and have it be indexed so that people can search large mailboxes very quickly. I don't think Exchange's native archiving would work for me because from what I've read it has to be done on the same server as the Exchange server, so I don't think that's going to speed up searches. Any other products I could look at? Thanks, as always, Evan --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist ** The Council has launched its Streets Ahead initiative to show how we can keep Stockport moving during the winter months. For all the latest news visit the new web pages at www.stockport.gov.uk/streetsahead This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. As a public body, the Council may be required to disclose this email, or any response to it, under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, unless the information in it is covered by one of the exemptions in the Act. If you receive this email in error please notify Stockport ICT, Corporate Support Services via email.qu...@stockport.gov.uk and then permanently remove it from your system. Thank you. http://www.stockport.gov.uk ** --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com
RE: Archiving (again)
Michael - I'll let you know how this process works at our next maintenance interval. I would have done it and UR1 already but can't find anyone that has put UR1 on a Cisco Unity 8.0 environment. -Paul -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:38 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Malarkey. Tell him he's fully of it. And that I said so. :-) But yes, I have a process/procedure of the proper way to prepare for installing service packs and update rollups to minimize ANY risk: http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2011/12/07/installing-exchange-2010-service-pack-2.aspx Regards, Michael B. -Original Message- From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:22 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) My current issue is that although the install was supposed to be done by a level 2 tech this morning, it was postponed because he forgot to mention last night that the Exchange 2010 server needed to be at SP2 rollup 1, which mine is not. My bigger issue is a concern about something else he told me - that he has seen many times where updating to SP2 rollup 1 completely bombs the server and it has to be restored from backups. Are there some things I could do before running SP2 R1 that would minimize the chances of this happening!? Thanks, Evan -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:11 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Our biggest issue with Sunbelt is that they were totally wrong in the estimate of how much storage was required. What was supposed to handle 5 years filled in just over a year. -Paul -Original Message- From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:57 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Archiving (again) I concur on their less than ideal support but once set up the software is pretty much set and forget. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 02:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Archiving (again) I think I may have asked this a year or two ago, but, here I am again. A while back I bought the Exchange Archiver from Sunbelt, and found out that they didn't recommend putting it on a DC. So, it went on the backburner for a little over a year, and a few weeks ago, I freed up a server and reinstalled it as a member server. I was now ready to install the archiver. Found out that the product was sold off to Metalogix. So, I talked to them and they told me a tech wouldn't be available to do the install (over the phone) for two weeks. I made the appointment and waited. As it turns out, Metalogix support is horrible. I've been put off four times now about doing the install... each time they say they can do it, then they either never call me, or email me and say they're too busy. So, I'd like to give up on this product, but I'd like to know what current products you guys are having good luck with? Essentially I've got an Exchange 2010 Enterprise Server with just a few (less than 25) mailboxes and a total store of 155 GB. My reason for archiving is to get the mail off the Exchange server and onto a separate server, and have it be indexed so that people can search large mailboxes very quickly. I don't think Exchange's native archiving would work for me because from what I've read it has to be done on the same server as the Exchange server, so I don't think that's going to speed up searches. Any other products I could look at? Thanks, as always, Evan --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt
RE: Archiving (again)
The only issue I have seen with Exchange 2010 Sp2 that means a server needs to be rebuilt is from people not reading the release notes and failing to check/change the policy on PowerShell execution policy. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh529928.aspx It is in the release notes - so it is a known issue and is easily resolved. That is probably the problem that the tech was referring to. First time I have heard of a product requiring Exchange 2010 SP2 rollup 1 as well - particularly considering it hasn't even gone out on Microsoft Update yet, so we are in the window between release and Microsoft being sure it is good and sending it out automatically. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Sembee Ltd. e: si...@sembee.co.uk w: http://www.sembee.co.uk/ w: http://exchange.sembee.info/ w: http://blog.sembee.co.uk/ Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with the iPhone? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/ for certificates from just $26.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/ Exchange Resources: http://exbpa.com/ -Original Message- From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] Sent: 14 March 2012 16:51 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) My bigger issue is a concern about something else he told me - that he has seen many times where updating to SP2 rollup 1 completely bombs the server and it has to be restored from backups. Yeah, sure... And MS has not seen it, but he has? Don't you think it would be pulled if it were possibly bad? I'd also hazard to suggest that MS may have installed it one or three times more than he has? Are there some things I could do before running SP2 R1 that would minimize the chances of this happening!? Turn the page, I think you have beat that dead horse enough? --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Archiving (again)
Hmm... didn't think I was beating a dead horse... that's the first time I asked that question :) I was only asking the list to see if people had had any experience that was similar to this tech's. Thought it might be a prudent thing to do when someone tells you something that could be quite disturbing to your business should it happen. Sorry Evan, I didn't mean to offend you, you misunderstood me. I meant drop the software, you have been chasing them long enough and to add to that, they don't appear to know that much about exchange. jlc --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Archiving (again)
Didn't know there was a difference between RPC/HTTP vs. online mode I thought it was cache vs non-cache for performance.huh So using Exchanges built in archive mailboxes won't 2x the server CPU/Memory requirements if the clients are outlook 2010 using rpc/http ? Thank you jb -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Cache mode has an impact, yes, but far less than the impact associated with RPC/HTTP vs. online mode. The primary reason for the reduction in I/O load is due to caching (i.e., loading indices into memory) and schema redesigns (i.e., changing the way the Exchange database is laid out on disk). -Original Message- From: Jason Benway [mailto:benw...@jsjcorp.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:15 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) With Exchange archive mailboxes aren't they accessed online so the clients being always connected put an extra resource strain on the exchange server. Isn't cache mode one of the ways Microsoft got the server requirements so low on 2010? If I setup everyone with an archive mailbox won't I be back to ~2003-2007 server requirements because of all the online mailboxes? jb -Original Message- From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:19 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Hi Dave, I'd like to get it off the Exchange server so that I can free up resources and essentially keep my email server fast while people are searching archives. Again, since speed is my concern far more so than storage, I'm figuring throwing twice the hardware at a problem will help :) Thanks, Evan -Original Message- From: Dave Wade [mailto:dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:27 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Why do you want to get the data off the Exchange server? Exchange now has fairly minimal requirements for i/o so you no longer need high performance storage. Since SP1 whilst the archives MUST be on AN Exchange server it does not need to be the same server that the primary database is on. Even if it is on the same server you can have some slower storage for the archives. Sadly I did find that the OWA search only searches a single datastore so you need to select the archive to search, but at least its accessible from OWA by default without having to add extra's in. Dave Wade -Original Message- From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: 13 March 2012 19:10 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Archiving (again) I think I may have asked this a year or two ago, but, here I am again. A while back I bought the Exchange Archiver from Sunbelt, and found out that they didn't recommend putting it on a DC. So, it went on the backburner for a little over a year, and a few weeks ago, I freed up a server and reinstalled it as a member server. I was now ready to install the archiver. Found out that the product was sold off to Metalogix. So, I talked to them and they told me a tech wouldn't be available to do the install (over the phone) for two weeks. I made the appointment and waited. As it turns out, Metalogix support is horrible. I've been put off four times now about doing the install... each time they say they can do it, then they either never call me, or email me and say they're too busy. So, I'd like to give up on this product, but I'd like to know what current products you guys are having good luck with? Essentially I've got an Exchange 2010 Enterprise Server with just a few (less than 25) mailboxes and a total store of 155 GB. My reason for archiving is to get the mail off the Exchange server and onto a separate server, and have it be indexed so that people can search large mailboxes very quickly. I don't think Exchange's native archiving would work for me because from what I've read it has to be done on the same server as the Exchange server, so I don't think that's going to speed up searches. Any other products I could look at? Thanks, as always, Evan --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist ** The Council has launched its Streets Ahead initiative to show how we can keep Stockport moving during the winter months. For all the latest news visit the new web pages at www.stockport.gov.uk/streetsahead This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. As a public body, the Council may be required to disclose this email, or any response to it, under the Freedom
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Holy smokes. That is one hateful gotcha right there. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Simon Butler si...@sembee.co.uk wrote: The only issue I have seen with Exchange 2010 Sp2 that means a server needs to be rebuilt is from people not reading the release notes and failing to check/change the policy on PowerShell execution policy. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh529928.aspx It is in the release notes - so it is a known issue and is easily resolved. That is probably the problem that the tech was referring to. First time I have heard of a product requiring Exchange 2010 SP2 rollup 1 as well - particularly considering it hasn't even gone out on Microsoft Update yet, so we are in the window between release and Microsoft being sure it is good and sending it out automatically. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Sembee Ltd. e: si...@sembee.co.uk w: http://www.sembee.co.uk/ w: http://exchange.sembee.info/ w: http://blog.sembee.co.uk/ Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with the iPhone? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/ for certificates from just $26.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/ Exchange Resources: http://exbpa.com/ -Original Message- From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] Sent: 14 March 2012 16:51 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) My bigger issue is a concern about something else he told me - that he has seen many times where updating to SP2 rollup 1 completely bombs the server and it has to be restored from backups. Yeah, sure... And MS has not seen it, but he has? Don't you think it would be pulled if it were possibly bad? I'd also hazard to suggest that MS may have installed it one or three times more than he has? Are there some things I could do before running SP2 R1 that would minimize the chances of this happening!? Turn the page, I think you have beat that dead horse enough? --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
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Hi Joseph, No problem at all, my friend. I wasn't offended... merely bewildered... lol Thanks, Evan -Original Message- From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 3:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Hmm... didn't think I was beating a dead horse... that's the first time I asked that question :) I was only asking the list to see if people had had any experience that was similar to this tech's. Thought it might be a prudent thing to do when someone tells you something that could be quite disturbing to your business should it happen. Sorry Evan, I didn't mean to offend you, you misunderstood me. I meant drop the software, you have been chasing them long enough and to add to that, they don't appear to know that much about exchange. jlc --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
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Actually, it ain’t that big a deal. A PITA, but not that bad. I’ve been called in to fix it a couple of times. From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Archiving (again) Holy smokes. That is one hateful gotcha right there. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Simon Butler si...@sembee.co.ukmailto:si...@sembee.co.uk wrote: The only issue I have seen with Exchange 2010 Sp2 that means a server needs to be rebuilt is from people not reading the release notes and failing to check/change the policy on PowerShell execution policy. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh529928.aspx It is in the release notes - so it is a known issue and is easily resolved. That is probably the problem that the tech was referring to. First time I have heard of a product requiring Exchange 2010 SP2 rollup 1 as well - particularly considering it hasn't even gone out on Microsoft Update yet, so we are in the window between release and Microsoft being sure it is good and sending it out automatically. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Sembee Ltd. e: si...@sembee.co.ukmailto:si...@sembee.co.uk w: http://www.sembee.co.uk/ w: http://exchange.sembee.info/ w: http://blog.sembee.co.uk/ Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with the iPhone? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/ for certificates from just $26.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/ Exchange Resources: http://exbpa.com/ -Original Message- From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.commailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] Sent: 14 March 2012 16:51 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) My bigger issue is a concern about something else he told me - that he has seen many times where updating to SP2 rollup 1 completely bombs the server and it has to be restored from backups. Yeah, sure... And MS has not seen it, but he has? Don't you think it would be pulled if it were possibly bad? I'd also hazard to suggest that MS may have installed it one or three times more than he has? Are there some things I could do before running SP2 R1 that would minimize the chances of this happening!? Turn the page, I think you have beat that dead horse enough? --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Archiving (again)
Nope. -Original Message- From: Jason Benway [mailto:benw...@jsjcorp.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Didn't know there was a difference between RPC/HTTP vs. online mode I thought it was cache vs non-cache for performance.huh So using Exchanges built in archive mailboxes won't 2x the server CPU/Memory requirements if the clients are outlook 2010 using rpc/http ? Thank you jb -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Cache mode has an impact, yes, but far less than the impact associated with RPC/HTTP vs. online mode. The primary reason for the reduction in I/O load is due to caching (i.e., loading indices into memory) and schema redesigns (i.e., changing the way the Exchange database is laid out on disk). -Original Message- From: Jason Benway [mailto:benw...@jsjcorp.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:15 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) With Exchange archive mailboxes aren't they accessed online so the clients being always connected put an extra resource strain on the exchange server. Isn't cache mode one of the ways Microsoft got the server requirements so low on 2010? If I setup everyone with an archive mailbox won't I be back to ~2003-2007 server requirements because of all the online mailboxes? jb -Original Message- From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:19 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Hi Dave, I'd like to get it off the Exchange server so that I can free up resources and essentially keep my email server fast while people are searching archives. Again, since speed is my concern far more so than storage, I'm figuring throwing twice the hardware at a problem will help :) Thanks, Evan -Original Message- From: Dave Wade [mailto:dave.w...@stockport.gov.uk] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:27 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) Why do you want to get the data off the Exchange server? Exchange now has fairly minimal requirements for i/o so you no longer need high performance storage. Since SP1 whilst the archives MUST be on AN Exchange server it does not need to be the same server that the primary database is on. Even if it is on the same server you can have some slower storage for the archives. Sadly I did find that the OWA search only searches a single datastore so you need to select the archive to search, but at least its accessible from OWA by default without having to add extra's in. Dave Wade -Original Message- From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: 13 March 2012 19:10 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Archiving (again) I think I may have asked this a year or two ago, but, here I am again. A while back I bought the Exchange Archiver from Sunbelt, and found out that they didn't recommend putting it on a DC. So, it went on the backburner for a little over a year, and a few weeks ago, I freed up a server and reinstalled it as a member server. I was now ready to install the archiver. Found out that the product was sold off to Metalogix. So, I talked to them and they told me a tech wouldn't be available to do the install (over the phone) for two weeks. I made the appointment and waited. As it turns out, Metalogix support is horrible. I've been put off four times now about doing the install... each time they say they can do it, then they either never call me, or email me and say they're too busy. So, I'd like to give up on this product, but I'd like to know what current products you guys are having good luck with? Essentially I've got an Exchange 2010 Enterprise Server with just a few (less than 25) mailboxes and a total store of 155 GB. My reason for archiving is to get the mail off the Exchange server and onto a separate server, and have it be indexed so that people can search large mailboxes very quickly. I don't think Exchange's native archiving would work for me because from what I've read it has to be done on the same server as the Exchange server, so I don't think that's going to speed up searches. Any other products I could look at? Thanks, as always, Evan --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist ** The Council has launched its Streets Ahead initiative to show how we can keep Stockport moving during the winter months. For all the latest news visit the new web pages at www.stockport.gov.uk/streetsahead This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely
Re: Archiving (again)
I guess it's a matter of degrees, but if I ran the install, it didn't work, and I subsequently couldn't use Exchange at all without doing a restore/recover, I'd freak out a little bit. (Note to self. Revisit Exchange backup and availability strategy...) On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote: Actually, it ain’t that big a deal. A PITA, but not that bad. I’ve been called in to fix it a couple of times. ** ** *From:* Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:56 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Archiving (again) ** ** Holy smokes. That is one hateful gotcha right there. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Simon Butler si...@sembee.co.uk wrote:* *** The only issue I have seen with Exchange 2010 Sp2 that means a server needs to be rebuilt is from people not reading the release notes and failing to check/change the policy on PowerShell execution policy. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh529928.aspx It is in the release notes - so it is a known issue and is easily resolved. That is probably the problem that the tech was referring to. First time I have heard of a product requiring Exchange 2010 SP2 rollup 1 as well - particularly considering it hasn't even gone out on Microsoft Update yet, so we are in the window between release and Microsoft being sure it is good and sending it out automatically. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Sembee Ltd. e: si...@sembee.co.uk w: http://www.sembee.co.uk/ w: http://exchange.sembee.info/ w: http://blog.sembee.co.uk/ Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with the iPhone? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/ for certificates from just $26.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/ Exchange Resources: http://exbpa.com/ -Original Message- From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] Sent: 14 March 2012 16:51 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) My bigger issue is a concern about something else he told me - that he has seen many times where updating to SP2 rollup 1 completely bombs the server and it has to be restored from backups. Yeah, sure... And MS has not seen it, but he has? Don't you think it would be pulled if it were possibly bad? I'd also hazard to suggest that MS may have installed it one or three times more than he has? Are there some things I could do before running SP2 R1 that would minimize the chances of this happening!? Turn the page, I think you have beat that dead horse enough? --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist ** ** --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
RE: Archiving (again)
It only gets challenging when local IT people have TRIED to fix it by doing a system restore and/or a DB recovery – then it becomes a bigger deal…. I try to let my clients know that if something breaks and they don’t know EXACTLY what to do – call me and ask. I won’t charge anything just for them asking. That does require developing a certain level of trust that I won’t take advantage of them either… From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:22 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Archiving (again) I guess it's a matter of degrees, but if I ran the install, it didn't work, and I subsequently couldn't use Exchange at all without doing a restore/recover, I'd freak out a little bit. (Note to self. Revisit Exchange backup and availability strategy...) On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Actually, it ain’t that big a deal. A PITA, but not that bad. I’ve been called in to fix it a couple of times. From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.commailto:rich...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Archiving (again) Holy smokes. That is one hateful gotcha right there. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Simon Butler si...@sembee.co.ukmailto:si...@sembee.co.uk wrote: The only issue I have seen with Exchange 2010 Sp2 that means a server needs to be rebuilt is from people not reading the release notes and failing to check/change the policy on PowerShell execution policy. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh529928.aspx It is in the release notes - so it is a known issue and is easily resolved. That is probably the problem that the tech was referring to. First time I have heard of a product requiring Exchange 2010 SP2 rollup 1 as well - particularly considering it hasn't even gone out on Microsoft Update yet, so we are in the window between release and Microsoft being sure it is good and sending it out automatically. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Sembee Ltd. e: si...@sembee.co.ukmailto:si...@sembee.co.uk w: http://www.sembee.co.uk/ w: http://exchange.sembee.info/ w: http://blog.sembee.co.uk/ Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with the iPhone? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/ for certificates from just $26.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/ Exchange Resources: http://exbpa.com/ -Original Message- From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.commailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] Sent: 14 March 2012 16:51 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving (again) My bigger issue is a concern about something else he told me - that he has seen many times where updating to SP2 rollup 1 completely bombs the server and it has to be restored from backups. Yeah, sure... And MS has not seen it, but he has? Don't you think it would be pulled if it were possibly bad? I'd also hazard to suggest that MS may have installed it one or three times more than he has? Are there some things I could do before running SP2 R1 that would minimize the chances of this happening!? Turn the page, I think you have beat that dead horse enough? --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
Re: Archiving (again)
I concur on their less than ideal support but once set up the software is pretty much set and forget. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 02:39 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Archiving (again) I think I may have asked this a year or two ago, but, here I am again. A while back I bought the Exchange Archiver from Sunbelt, and found out that they didn't recommend putting it on a DC. So, it went on the backburner for a little over a year, and a few weeks ago, I freed up a server and reinstalled it as a member server. I was now ready to install the archiver. Found out that the product was sold off to Metalogix. So, I talked to them and they told me a tech wouldn't be available to do the install (over the phone) for two weeks. I made the appointment and waited. As it turns out, Metalogix support is horrible. I've been put off four times now about doing the install... each time they say they can do it, then they either never call me, or email me and say they're too busy. So, I'd like to give up on this product, but I'd like to know what current products you guys are having good luck with? Essentially I've got an Exchange 2010 Enterprise Server with just a few (less than 25) mailboxes and a total store of 155 GB. My reason for archiving is to get the mail off the Exchange server and onto a separate server, and have it be indexed so that people can search large mailboxes very quickly. I don't think Exchange's native archiving would work for me because from what I've read it has to be done on the same server as the Exchange server, so I don't think that's going to speed up searches. Any other products I could look at? Thanks, as always, Evan --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe exchangelist
