Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Ronald J. Hall]

Mark D'voo wrote:

> I tried also to increase linux awareness by giving away cd's, but my story is
> more funny.  A couple of months ago some dumbass rep from microsoft came to
> talk to the computer club at my university about .NET.  A bunch of people
> showed up because they were giving everyone a full version copy of visual
> studio .NET.  I showed up early with a couple of Mandrake CD's in my pocket,
> grabbed a bunch of the Visual Studio .NET packets, switched out the cds with
> Mandrake, and sat down watching some very confused people open up a microsoft
> packet with Linux Cd's inside : )
> 
> mark

Hahaha, thats funny! ;-)

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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[nds]

Ken Hawkins wrote:

> I posted a rant on this very subject about 1 month ago. My laptop 
> continues to run just fine on 7.2, after a looonng day of attempting 
> to install 8.1 I KNOW its not hardware because I haven't had a hiccup 
> at all, and 7.2 autodetected all components, which 8.1 failed to 
> accomplish.
>
> Ken
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Davor Cengija wrote:
>>
>>> I'm having a really hard time with this new 8.1
>>> distribution. It is very unstable and unpredictable (something
>>> I wouldn't expect from Mandrake Linux). Anyone experienced
>>> similar problems, say:
>>>
>>> - kicker dies without obvious reason
>>> - konqueror segfaults with libstdc++ errors in debug stack trace
>>> - the X server freezes while the rest of the system works fine (say,
>>>  internet connection). However, mouse and keyboard are dead (since
>>>  they're controlled by X, of course)
>>> - xemacs segfaults with different errors, in different states
>>>
>> Check your hardware. This sounds suspiciously like a failing CPU or case
>> fan. I've been running 8.1 for about two months now and it has been
>> solid.
>>
>
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It could be the kernel. Try to install LM 8.1 with 2.2.19 instead of 
2.4.8. Maybe that will help and fix your installation blues. HTH

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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[nds]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Davor Cengija wrote:
>
>>  I'm having a really hard time with this new 8.1
>>  distribution. It is very unstable and unpredictable (something
>>  I wouldn't expect from Mandrake Linux). Anyone experienced
>>  similar problems, say:
>>
>>- kicker dies without obvious reason
>>- konqueror segfaults with libstdc++ errors in debug stack trace
>>- the X server freezes while the rest of the system works fine (say,
>>  internet connection). However, mouse and keyboard are dead (since
>>  they're controlled by X, of course)
>>- xemacs segfaults with different errors, in different states
>>
>>  There are some other problems as well. I'll skip pasting stack
>>  traces, etc for now.
>>
>>  The strange thing is that everything works just fine after
>>  reboot (like in windows :-). So, I'd say that either kernel or
>>  some standard lib (glibc, libstdc++ or whatever) is
>>  broken. Sometimes one error in say konqueror is followed by
>>  xemacs' segfault.
>>
>
>Check your hardware. This sounds suspiciously like a failing CPU or case
>fan. I've been running 8.1 for about two months now and it has been
>solid.
>
>
>
>
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the other problem could be that you need to change your CMOS battery. 
That was my case a few months back. It got to the point that my kernel 
was spitting getty errors left and right. or something about my computer 
was syncing too fast.HTH

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RE: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Franki]

I don't know, yes, unix is more server oriented, but I think that saying
that linux "isn't" is not true.


I have linux boxes with uptimes of a year or more...(not so much any more
because I tend to update more often now, but several months of high load
usage is not unusual.)

and fileservers, webservers, dns servers and other stuff, some all running
on the same box, also firewall and nat.. and it handles it nicely. I have
one box, that does all of that and serves 7 different domains and a large
internal network with alot of traffic, and its uptime is currently one
month, and thats just because I last updated the kernel a month ago..

they all have a very basic GUI (icewm,) but it isn't running unless there is
a reason for it to be..

all the user stuff either isn't installed or isn't running...

works great as a server platform, and linux has been shown in many cases to
seriously outperform solaris and other "unix's"
 in many areas, one of which is the filesystems, and I saw a recent test
case in the postfix list, that showed postfix on linux as the fastest
example when compared to several uxicies and even freebsd.. so it has its
uses...
(I am pretty sure that I saw an webserver cgi test that showed that linux
had the highest performance of various cgi languages across platform as
well, (think that was on a mod perl site..) it looked at asp, php, perl,
java and others on different platforms, and linux was consistantly the
fastest... (of the unix based OS's, winblows wasnt' included and I suspect
the results wouldn't have changed if it was.)

linux tends to develop faster then other OS's, mostly because of the sheer
number of developers... so I think it will have a significant advantage in
performance that will only grow...

personally, I find some of the linux changes to be a great benefit in speedy
admin, like the init scripts...

I will keep using it for servers till I find something as cost effective and
performance of a similiar level.

rgds

Frank

-Original Message-
From: Brent Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, 11 January 2002 3:41 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable


for server  environment?? ...I would use a unix instead of linux..being
that linux isnt  really geared toward the server
environment.

BSD rulZ
B

Franki wrote:

>I have both the download edition and the powerpack, no difference in speed
>in either that I can tell, which makes sense since its the same base rpm
>packages being installed.
>
>I am running 8.1 on many different systems..
>
>one has only 32MB of ram, and the cpu's I have running are:
>
>166mmx,  (dns server n stuff)
>200mmx   (firewall/samba)
>233mmx   (firewall/samba/postfix)
>Ppro200  (firewall/samba/postfix/http)
>Celery450 (testing)
>Athlon1000 t'bird (firewall/samba/postfix/http)
>Athlon1800XP (firewall/samba/postfix/http)
>
>working great on all of them, my home samba server/firewall/mailserver is
>only a 233MMX with 160MB ram, and it runs great, GUI and all, (I use icewm
>mostly, but KDE works ok too.)
>
>
>
>rgds
>
>Frank
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark D'voo
>Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2002 9:46 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable
>
>
>i think there was a problem with the download edition, I have downloaded it
>3
>times for 3 different computers, on each computer is was slooow and very
>unstable ( i was lucky to have a 1 day uptime ).  I think we should take a
>vote to figure out what is wrong, Tell me if 8.1 is giving you problems or
>working great and was it the download edition, powerpack, gaming, etc?
>
>mark
>
>On Wednesday 09 January 2002 07:16 am, you wrote:
>
>>We are going nowhere.  People are addicted to Windblows, they will
>>experiment with Linux on a "marginal" box, and then, because it is so much
>>better, move it to a more powerful box.  If the "marginal" box part craps
>>out, no powerful box for you... Microsloth wins.
>>
>>mg
>>
>>On Monday 07 January 2002 23:18, Michael Leone wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 23:03, mike wrote:
>>>
>>>>One of the virtues of Linux over Windblows was that the hardware
>>>>requiremtns were less stringent, no?
>>>>
>>>There's a difference between "less stringent" and "marginal".
>>>
>>>>mg
>>>>
>>>>On Monday 07 January 2002 22:37, Michael Leone wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 16:52, Davor Cengija wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  So, concensus would be that I have s

RE: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Franki]

I have both the download edition and the powerpack, no difference in speed
in either that I can tell, which makes sense since its the same base rpm
packages being installed.

I am running 8.1 on many different systems..

one has only 32MB of ram, and the cpu's I have running are:

166mmx,  (dns server n stuff)
200mmx   (firewall/samba)
233mmx   (firewall/samba/postfix)
Ppro200  (firewall/samba/postfix/http)
Celery450 (testing)
Athlon1000 t'bird (firewall/samba/postfix/http)
Athlon1800XP (firewall/samba/postfix/http)

working great on all of them, my home samba server/firewall/mailserver is
only a 233MMX with 160MB ram, and it runs great, GUI and all, (I use icewm
mostly, but KDE works ok too.)



rgds

Frank

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark D'voo
Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2002 9:46 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable


i think there was a problem with the download edition, I have downloaded it
3
times for 3 different computers, on each computer is was slooow and very
unstable ( i was lucky to have a 1 day uptime ).  I think we should take a
vote to figure out what is wrong, Tell me if 8.1 is giving you problems or
working great and was it the download edition, powerpack, gaming, etc?

mark

On Wednesday 09 January 2002 07:16 am, you wrote:
> We are going nowhere.  People are addicted to Windblows, they will
> experiment with Linux on a "marginal" box, and then, because it is so much
> better, move it to a more powerful box.  If the "marginal" box part craps
> out, no powerful box for you... Microsloth wins.
>
> mg
>
> On Monday 07 January 2002 23:18, Michael Leone wrote:
> > On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 23:03, mike wrote:
> > > One of the virtues of Linux over Windblows was that the hardware
> > > requiremtns were less stringent, no?
> >
> > There's a difference between "less stringent" and "marginal".
> >
> > > mg
> > >
> > > On Monday 07 January 2002 22:37, Michael Leone wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 16:52, Davor Cengija wrote:
> > > > >   So, concensus would be that I have some hardware related
> > > > >   problems, which is quite unusual since Mdk 7.2 worked just
> > > > >   fine without any problem.
> > > >
> > > > Not necessarily PROBLEMS; just that Mdk 8.1 is more STRICT, and
won't
> > > > tolerate (perhaps) marginal hardware, and 7.2 will.
> > >
> > > 
> > > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > > Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part
> > > 
>
> 
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> 

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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Jesus Arocho]

Great idea!  I will follow the recommendation.

On Wednesday 09 January 2002 12:51, you wrote:
> Ron Marriage wrote:
> > I agree, I order the power packs and always find them easy
> > to install, no problem.
> > I also feel better about myself.  I don't support with code,
> > so do so with dollars.
> >
> > Ron
>
> I enthusiastically agree here. For multiple reasons:
>
> 1. In almost every case, problems I've had with ISO'ed versions disappear
> with the power packs.
> 2. I feel like I'm doing my part to help support Mandrake Linux and
> software authors...
> 3. Its money thats NOT going to Microslop! ;-)
>
> and something else I do...whenever a new version is released, I buy it, and
> take everything from the previous release, go down to our local county
> library and GIVE it away free to whomever wants it...never failed to find a
> taker yet, (the computer guru at the library is a Linux advocate as well)
> and I'm slowly increasing Linux exposure here, in a traditional "what else
> is there besides Windog" community!
>
> Yea, defiance rules! ;-)))



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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Jesus Arocho]

Not necessarily true.  I spent 5 and then an additional 20 on an order to 
Mandrake (with the honest intention of supporting the group) and had problems 
with the installation:
a.  several times the installer returned a message indicating problems with 
the install CD (probably just a slow CDROM, 52x type).  Eventually I ended up 
formatting the home partition.
b.  the floppy was not recognized for several weeks, neither was the zip 
drive.  I now install the zip manually every time I reboot by performing a 
mknod.
c.  this happened with both CD sets and on two separate computers.

The 5 dollars were not a problem.  When I start paying 20 or more I have to 
start wondering if we are not falling into the same corporate mentality as 
the competition.

In spite of all of this I love Linux and appreciate Mandrake's efforts.

On Tuesday 08 January 2002 22:25, you wrote:
> Everyone is so hung up on free, that they spend time
> downloading an iso image from the internet, knowing that a
> single bit of data can cause the whole thing to go sour.
> Then they burn this image onto a CD, again where one little
> error makes the whole thing a mess.
>
> People, spend $5 and buy a couple CDs, make your life
> easier.
> You might find that all those problems just go away.
>
> Ron
>
> mike wrote:
> > We are going nowhere.  People are addicted to Windblows, they will
> > experiment with Linux on a "marginal" box, and then, because it is so
> > much better, move it to a more powerful box.  If the "marginal" box part
> > craps out, no powerful box for you... Microsloth wins.
> >
> > mg



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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Mark D'voo]

On Thursday 10 January 2002 12:29 am, you wrote:
> "Ronald J. Hall" wrote:
> > Ron Marriage wrote:
> > > I agree, I order the power packs and always find them easy
> > > to install, no problem.
> > > I also feel better about myself.  I don't support with code,
> > > so do so with dollars.
> > >
> > > Ron
> >
> > I enthusiastically agree here. For multiple reasons:
> >
> > 1. In almost every case, problems I've had with ISO'ed versions disappear
> > with the power packs.
> > 2. I feel like I'm doing my part to help support Mandrake Linux and
> > software authors...
> > 3. Its money thats NOT going to Microslop! ;-)
> >
> > and something else I do...whenever a new version is released, I buy it,
> > and take everything from the previous release, go down to our local
> > county library and GIVE it away free to whomever wants it...never failed
> > to find a taker yet, (the computer guru at the library is a Linux
> > advocate as well) and I'm slowly increasing Linux exposure here, in a
> > traditional "what else is there besides Windog" community!
>
> What an excellent suggestion!
> Thanks for bringing that one up! It's a great way to increase awareness
> of Linux!
> Now I know what to do with all those old CDs!

I tried also to increase linux awareness by giving away cd's, but my story is 
more funny.  A couple of months ago some dumbass rep from microsoft came to 
talk to the computer club at my university about .NET.  A bunch of people 
showed up because they were giving everyone a full version copy of visual 
studio .NET.  I showed up early with a couple of Mandrake CD's in my pocket, 
grabbed a bunch of the Visual Studio .NET packets, switched out the cds with 
Mandrake, and sat down watching some very confused people open up a microsoft 
packet with Linux Cd's inside : )

mark

>
> Thanks!

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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Ric Tibbetts]

"Ronald J. Hall" wrote:
> 
> Ron Marriage wrote:
> >
> > I agree, I order the power packs and always find them easy
> > to install, no problem.
> > I also feel better about myself.  I don't support with code,
> > so do so with dollars.
> >
> > Ron
> 
> I enthusiastically agree here. For multiple reasons:
> 
> 1. In almost every case, problems I've had with ISO'ed versions disappear with
> the power packs.
> 2. I feel like I'm doing my part to help support Mandrake Linux and software
> authors...
> 3. Its money thats NOT going to Microslop! ;-)
> 
> and something else I do...whenever a new version is released, I buy it, and
> take everything from the previous release, go down to our local county library
> and GIVE it away free to whomever wants it...never failed to find a taker yet,
> (the computer guru at the library is a Linux advocate as well) and I'm slowly
> increasing Linux exposure here, in a traditional "what else is there besides
> Windog" community!

What an excellent suggestion!
Thanks for bringing that one up! It's a great way to increase awareness
of Linux!
Now I know what to do with all those old CDs! 

Thanks!

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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Ronald J. Hall]

Ron Marriage wrote:
> 
> I agree, I order the power packs and always find them easy
> to install, no problem.
> I also feel better about myself.  I don't support with code,
> so do so with dollars.
> 
> Ron

I enthusiastically agree here. For multiple reasons:

1. In almost every case, problems I've had with ISO'ed versions disappear with
the power packs.
2. I feel like I'm doing my part to help support Mandrake Linux and software
authors...
3. Its money thats NOT going to Microslop! ;-)

and something else I do...whenever a new version is released, I buy it, and
take everything from the previous release, go down to our local county library
and GIVE it away free to whomever wants it...never failed to find a taker yet,
(the computer guru at the library is a Linux advocate as well) and I'm slowly
increasing Linux exposure here, in a traditional "what else is there besides
Windog" community!

Yea, defiance rules! ;-)))

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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Ronald J. Hall]

Michael Scottaline wrote:

> Yes..., and I'd like rainwater to be beer ;-)
> Mike

If that happens in your area, please e-mail directions... 

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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Michael Scottaline]

On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:41:00 -0600
mycal62 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribbled in frustration:


> But let's be candid and and admit we are all waiting for a distro with
> everything
> that's just right, otherwise we would not upgrade.
==
Yes..., and I'd like rainwater to be beer ;-)
Mike

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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Ashley Reynolds]

I am running Mandrake 8.1, the Download Edition, which I ordered from
EverythingLInux (http://www.everythinglinux.com.au) on pressed CD's.  It
works outstandingly well. :)

Kindest Regards,
 Ashley (aka ze0).

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On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Mark D'voo wrote:

> i think there was a problem with the download edition, I have downloaded it 3
> times for 3 different computers, on each computer is was slooow and very
> unstable ( i was lucky to have a 1 day uptime ).  I think we should take a
> vote to figure out what is wrong, Tell me if 8.1 is giving you problems or
> working great and was it the download edition, powerpack, gaming, etc?
>
> mark
>
> On Wednesday 09 January 2002 07:16 am, you wrote:
> > We are going nowhere.  People are addicted to Windblows, they will
> > experiment with Linux on a "marginal" box, and then, because it is so much
> > better, move it to a more powerful box.  If the "marginal" box part craps
> > out, no powerful box for you... Microsloth wins.
> >
> > mg
> >
> > On Monday 07 January 2002 23:18, Michael Leone wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 23:03, mike wrote:
> > > > One of the virtues of Linux over Windblows was that the hardware
> > > > requiremtns were less stringent, no?
> > >
> > > There's a difference between "less stringent" and "marginal".
> > >
> > > > mg
> > > >
> > > > On Monday 07 January 2002 22:37, Michael Leone wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 16:52, Davor Cengija wrote:
> > > > > > So, concensus would be that I have some hardware related
> > > > > > problems, which is quite unusual since Mdk 7.2 worked just
> > > > > > fine without any problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not necessarily PROBLEMS; just that Mdk 8.1 is more STRICT, and won't
> > > > > tolerate (perhaps) marginal hardware, and 7.2 will.
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc"
> > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > > > Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part
> > > > 
> >
> > 
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> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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> > 
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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[mycal62]

I posted earlier, and just wish to mention, that in all fairness,
some people will have issues which will be unresolveable, despite buying
a distro,
having New hardware and having some experience with Linux.

I have always paid for a boxed set including mandrake 7.0, 7.1, 7.2,
8.0, and 8.1,
as well as a dozen other distros including suse and redhat. 

I await 8.2 as I could not successfully install 8.1 on a new MB/ 1000
Mhz athlon
New Hard drive / Mem/ etc. 

Otherwise , why would people repeatedly say "your mileage may vary" on
so many things. 

Don't misunderstand, I am an almost exclusive Mandrake man Period ! 
Only keep the windows junk on a seperate box for One application 
which Will never run in linux. ( No it really never will ) 

Mandrake Is absoulutely awesome, and The best of the pack, however it's
not perfect yet,
nor does it work with all hardware configurations out here- Yet ;-) 

 I really wanted to install 8.1 but it simply was too flaky to keep. 
Yes support Linux ( esp. Mandrake! ) by all means Pay for cd's that will
help.
But let's be candid and and admit we are all waiting for a distro with
everything
that's just right, otherwise we would not upgrade.

end of rant. 

Mike McNeese
Springdale Arkansas USA

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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Ron Marriage]

I agree, I order the power packs and always find them easy
to install, no problem.
I also feel better about myself.  I don't support with code,
so do so with dollars.

Ron


mike wrote:
> 
> Personally, and this is just me, I don't load a distro on my box unless I
> threw some coin (usually $60-$80) into the collection plate.
> 
> On Tuesday 08 January 2002 22:25, Ron Marriage wrote:
> > Everyone is so hung up on free, that they spend time
> > downloading an iso image from the internet, knowing that a
> > single bit of data can cause the whole thing to go sour.
> > Then they burn this image onto a CD, again where one little
> > error makes the whole thing a mess.
> >
> > People, spend $5 and buy a couple CDs, make your life
> > easier.
> > You might find that all those problems just go away.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > mike wrote:
> > > We are going nowhere.  People are addicted to Windblows, they will
> > > experiment with Linux on a "marginal" box, and then, because it is so
> > > much better, move it to a more powerful box.  If the "marginal" box part
> > > craps out, no powerful box for you... Microsloth wins.
> > >
> > > mg
> 
> 
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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[mike]

Personally, and this is just me, I don't load a distro on my box unless I 
threw some coin (usually $60-$80) into the collection plate.  


On Tuesday 08 January 2002 22:25, Ron Marriage wrote:
> Everyone is so hung up on free, that they spend time
> downloading an iso image from the internet, knowing that a
> single bit of data can cause the whole thing to go sour.
> Then they burn this image onto a CD, again where one little
> error makes the whole thing a mess.
>
> People, spend $5 and buy a couple CDs, make your life
> easier.
> You might find that all those problems just go away.
>
> Ron
>
> mike wrote:
> > We are going nowhere.  People are addicted to Windblows, they will
> > experiment with Linux on a "marginal" box, and then, because it is so
> > much better, move it to a more powerful box.  If the "marginal" box part
> > craps out, no powerful box for you... Microsloth wins.
> >
> > mg


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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Ron Marriage]

Everyone is so hung up on free, that they spend time
downloading an iso image from the internet, knowing that a
single bit of data can cause the whole thing to go sour. 
Then they burn this image onto a CD, again where one little
error makes the whole thing a mess.

People, spend $5 and buy a couple CDs, make your life
easier.
You might find that all those problems just go away.

Ron



mike wrote:
> 
> We are going nowhere.  People are addicted to Windblows, they will experiment
> with Linux on a "marginal" box, and then, because it is so much better, move
> it to a more powerful box.  If the "marginal" box part craps out, no powerful
> box for you... Microsloth wins.
> 
> mg

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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Michael Leone]

On Tue, 2002-01-08 at 08:45, Mark D'voo wrote:
> i think there was a problem with the download edition, I have downloaded it 3 
> times for 3 different computers, on each computer is was slooow and very 
> unstable ( i was lucky to have a 1 day uptime ).  I think we should take a 
> vote to figure out what is wrong, Tell me if 8.1 is giving you problems or 
> working great and was it the download edition, powerpack, gaming, etc?

Download version, and very stable; works great for me.

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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Mark D'voo]

i think there was a problem with the download edition, I have downloaded it 3 
times for 3 different computers, on each computer is was slooow and very 
unstable ( i was lucky to have a 1 day uptime ).  I think we should take a 
vote to figure out what is wrong, Tell me if 8.1 is giving you problems or 
working great and was it the download edition, powerpack, gaming, etc?

mark

On Wednesday 09 January 2002 07:16 am, you wrote:
> We are going nowhere.  People are addicted to Windblows, they will
> experiment with Linux on a "marginal" box, and then, because it is so much
> better, move it to a more powerful box.  If the "marginal" box part craps
> out, no powerful box for you... Microsloth wins.
>
> mg
>
> On Monday 07 January 2002 23:18, Michael Leone wrote:
> > On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 23:03, mike wrote:
> > > One of the virtues of Linux over Windblows was that the hardware
> > > requiremtns were less stringent, no?
> >
> > There's a difference between "less stringent" and "marginal".
> >
> > > mg
> > >
> > > On Monday 07 January 2002 22:37, Michael Leone wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 16:52, Davor Cengija wrote:
> > > > >   So, concensus would be that I have some hardware related
> > > > >   problems, which is quite unusual since Mdk 7.2 worked just
> > > > >   fine without any problem.
> > > >
> > > > Not necessarily PROBLEMS; just that Mdk 8.1 is more STRICT, and won't
> > > > tolerate (perhaps) marginal hardware, and 7.2 will.
> > >
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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[mike]

We are going nowhere.  People are addicted to Windblows, they will experiment 
with Linux on a "marginal" box, and then, because it is so much better, move 
it to a more powerful box.  If the "marginal" box part craps out, no powerful 
box for you... Microsloth wins.

mg


On Monday 07 January 2002 23:18, Michael Leone wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 23:03, mike wrote:
> > One of the virtues of Linux over Windblows was that the hardware
> > requiremtns were less stringent, no?
>
> There's a difference between "less stringent" and "marginal".
>
> > mg
> >
> > On Monday 07 January 2002 22:37, Michael Leone wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 16:52, Davor Cengija wrote:
> > > > So, concensus would be that I have some hardware related
> > > > problems, which is quite unusual since Mdk 7.2 worked just
> > > > fine without any problem.
> > >
> > > Not necessarily PROBLEMS; just that Mdk 8.1 is more STRICT, and won't
> > > tolerate (perhaps) marginal hardware, and 7.2 will.
> >
> > 
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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Davor Cengija]

On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Davor Cengija wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Ken Hawkins wrote:
>
> > Maybe I missed the response, but is this a downloaded ISO image? If so,
> > did you perform a checksum test? All it takes is one bad source file to
> > ruin a good ISO.
> >
>   Very good point, Ken! Yes, this is a downloaded ISO image, and
>   I'm not quite sure that checksum test is performed. I'll check
>   that first! Thanks for the tip!


Hmm...

Checksums are OK, memtest shows no errors, reiserfsck doesn't
complain about anythng. Swap is on and working fine (I have
512MB of RAM so I rarely need swap). Cpuburn is running all
day without any errors. lm sensors report normal
temperatures. Actually, the whole system is stable today. And
in fact, that's the strange part of the story. Who knows how
it will be tomorrow...

Anyway, thanks everybody for help and tips, I'll continue with
my investigations and eventually report my findings and
solutions!

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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Tom Brinkman]

On Monday 07 January 2002 12:52 pm, Davor Cengija wrote:

>   As far as I can see, CPU and fan are working fine.
>
>   Is there any hardware stress/testing tool available for Linux
>   (or even for Windows)?

   The best, cpuburn, both windoze and Linux versions

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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Nick Thompson]

Me too  :-)  In the MDK control centre-> services. Deselect alsa "on 
boot" option. Reconfigure the card with sndconfig and reboot.

Nick.

Harold Hartley wrote:

>the sound mixer doesn't work properly until you do a modprobe of the sound 
>card.. and I have been running a sound card thats been linux compatible for 
>years. (es1371)
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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Harold Hartley]

On Tuesday 08 January 2002 10:20 am, you wrote:
> Windows ME = Winblows More Errors
>
> My PII 300 Intel Chipset works pretty fine with MDK 8.1.  But with some
> others computers (mainly new ones with Via chipset) I had some difficults
> and back to MDK 8.0.
>
I have some problems with MDK 8.1 and I also have a via chip too.

Harold

> On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Ashley Reynolds wrote:
> > Windows ME was truly Microsoft's *worst* operating system.
> >
> > Kindest Regards,
> >  Ashley (aka ze0).
> >
> > |--|
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> > |
> > |  Registered Linux User: #254073  |
> > |--|
> >
> > On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Gary A. Garibaldi wrote:
> > > I installed Mandrake 8.1 in about 45 minutes since it became available
> > > and if I wouldn't have moved this pass week it would have been up for
> > > over 3 months with out a hitch. I can't say the same about WinME. I
> > > spent 12 hours yesterday with my son-inlaw getting his system
> > > reinstalled because of multi-virui. I had multiple problems with sound
> > > and modem, and only after searching the internet I found the drivers
> > > and was able to get the basic system installed. Today he is installing
> > > all the other programs that he uses.
> > >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > > On Monday 07 January 2002 16:06 pm, you wrote:
> > > > Marc wrote:
> > > > > Unstable??  Are you kidding?
> > > > >
> > > > > My windows installation had all kinds of problem not recoqnicing
> > > > > hardware, conflicting irq etc etc.  MDK 8.1  runs very smooth
> > > > > without any prblem at all. So MDK 8.1 is very stable.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > marc
> > > > >
> > > > > On Monday 07 January 2002 06:59 pm, you wrote:
> > > > >>On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Davor Cengija wrote:
> > > > >>> I'm having a really hard time with this new 8.1
> > > > >>> distribution. It is very unstable and unpredictable (something
> > > > >>> I wouldn't expect from Mandrake Linux). Anyone experienced
> > > > >>> similar problems, say:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>- kicker dies without obvious reason
> > > > >>>- konqueror segfaults with libstdc++ errors in debug stack trace
> > > > >>>- the X server freezes while the rest of the system works fine
> > > > >>> (say, internet connection). However, mouse and keyboard are dead
> > > > >>> (since they're controlled by X, of course)
> > > > >>>- xemacs segfaults with different errors, in different states
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> There are some other problems as well. I'll skip pasting stack
> > > > >>> traces, etc for now.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> The strange thing is that everything works just fine after
> > > > >>> reboot (like in windows :-). So, I'd say that either kernel or
> > > > >>> some standard lib (glibc, libstdc++ or whatever) is
> > > > >>> broken. Sometimes one error in say konqueror is followed by
> > > > >>> xemacs' segfault.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Check your hardware. This sounds suspiciously like a failing CPU or
> > > > >> case fan. I've been running 8.1 for about two months now and it
> > > > >> has been solid.
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> > > > >-
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > > > Are you using standard KDE from mandrake or the souped-up version
> > > > that does fast loads?  It sounds suspiciously like you have one of
> > > > the sensitive systems and you tried the second option.
> > > >
> > > > I have one 8.1 installation that would have four months uptime except
> > > > that I had to move its location from room to room and shut it down
> > > > for that purpose.  The only things giving me trouble are mozilla and
> > > > Aethera, which have to be killed periodically,  Others with some
> > > > interesting video cards or with video vs NIC IRQ conflicts have
> > > > reported some problems, but rarely.  One of the nice things about
> > > > this distro is that you can set PnP BIOS to yes with most machines,
> > > > but you had better set ACPI to "No"
> > > >
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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Harold Hartley]

On Monday 07 January 2002 10:37 pm, you wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 16:52, Davor Cengija wrote:
> > So, concensus would be that I have some hardware related
> > problems, which is quite unusual since Mdk 7.2 worked just
> > fine without any problem.
>
> Not necessarily PROBLEMS; just that Mdk 8.1 is more STRICT, and won't
> tolerate (perhaps) marginal hardware, and 7.2 will.

I have to say that when it comes to hardware, the detection is a bit off..
I can run my tv/radio card with xawtv just fine but not the radio.
the sound mixer doesn't work properly until you do a modprobe of the sound 
card.. and I have been running a sound card thats been linux compatible for 
years. (es1371)

other than that, I must say how much nicer things are getting with most 
software and kde..

Harold



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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva]

Windows ME = Winblows More Errors

My PII 300 Intel Chipset works pretty fine with MDK 8.1.  But with some
others computers (mainly new ones with Via chipset) I had some difficults
and back to MDK 8.0.


On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Ashley Reynolds wrote:

> Windows ME was truly Microsoft's *worst* operating system.
>
> Kindest Regards,
>  Ashley (aka ze0).
>
> |--|
> | Ashley Reynolds (aka ze0)[EMAIL PROTECTED]  |
> | http://www.botepidemic.com   Ph: +61 404 140 163 |
> |  |
> |  Registered Linux User: #254073  |
> |--|
>
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Gary A. Garibaldi wrote:
>
> > I installed Mandrake 8.1 in about 45 minutes since it became available and if
> > I wouldn't have moved this pass week it would have been up for over 3 months
> > with out a hitch. I can't say the same about WinME. I spent 12 hours
> > yesterday with my son-inlaw getting his system reinstalled because of
> > multi-virui. I had multiple problems with sound and modem, and only after
> > searching the internet I found the drivers and was able to get the basic
> > system installed. Today he is installing all the other programs that he uses.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > On Monday 07 January 2002 16:06 pm, you wrote:
> > > Marc wrote:
> > > > Unstable??  Are you kidding?
> > > >
> > > > My windows installation had all kinds of problem not recoqnicing
> > > > hardware, conflicting irq etc etc.  MDK 8.1  runs very smooth without any
> > > > prblem at all. So MDK 8.1 is very stable.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > marc
> > > >
> > > > On Monday 07 January 2002 06:59 pm, you wrote:
> > > >>On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Davor Cengija wrote:
> > > >>>   I'm having a really hard time with this new 8.1
> > > >>>   distribution. It is very unstable and unpredictable (something
> > > >>>   I wouldn't expect from Mandrake Linux). Anyone experienced
> > > >>>   similar problems, say:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>- kicker dies without obvious reason
> > > >>>- konqueror segfaults with libstdc++ errors in debug stack trace
> > > >>>- the X server freezes while the rest of the system works fine (say,
> > > >>>  internet connection). However, mouse and keyboard are dead (since
> > > >>>  they're controlled by X, of course)
> > > >>>- xemacs segfaults with different errors, in different states
> > > >>>
> > > >>>   There are some other problems as well. I'll skip pasting stack
> > > >>>   traces, etc for now.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>   The strange thing is that everything works just fine after
> > > >>>   reboot (like in windows :-). So, I'd say that either kernel or
> > > >>>   some standard lib (glibc, libstdc++ or whatever) is
> > > >>>   broken. Sometimes one error in say konqueror is followed by
> > > >>>   xemacs' segfault.
> > > >>
> > > >>Check your hardware. This sounds suspiciously like a failing CPU or case
> > > >>fan. I've been running 8.1 for about two months now and it has been
> > > >>solid.
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
> > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
> > >
> > > Are you using standard KDE from mandrake or the souped-up version that
> > > does fast loads?  It sounds suspiciously like you have one of the
> > > sensitive systems and you tried the second option.
> > >
> > > I have one 8.1 installation that would have four months uptime except
> > > that I had to move its location from room to room and shut it down for
> > > that purpose.  The only things giving me trouble are mozilla and
> > > Aethera, which have to be killed periodically,  Others with some
> > > interesting video cards or with video vs NIC IRQ conflicts have reported
> > > some problems, but rarely.  One of the nice things about this distro is
> > > that you can set PnP BIOS to yes with most machines, but you had better
> > > set ACPI to "No"
> > >
> > > Civileme
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Davor Cengija]

On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Ken Hawkins wrote:

> Maybe I missed the response, but is this a downloaded ISO image? If so,
> did you perform a checksum test? All it takes is one bad source file to
> ruin a good ISO.
>
Very good point, Ken! Yes, this is a downloaded ISO image, and
I'm not quite sure that checksum test is performed. I'll check
that first! Thanks for the tip!

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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Robert]

Just a punt but the docs mention 2.4 kernels are more "aggressive " with the 
swap file. Did you use an existing partion sheme from a 2.2 based distro. You 
might want to perform a drive integrity test as well as the mem test.
Just a guess as I said - any comments ?
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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[tester]

James Sparenberg wrote:

> I can report two conditions I've seen 8.1 do these kinds of things. 
> One like is said by Richard.  The changing clock speeds which really
> isn't handled well by the linux kernel.  According to an article I
> remember but can't find I disabled this feature in Bios on the laptop
> I was on and pf the box worked.  The other condition is memeory
> chips.  Seems that as you optimize linux more and more errors in
> memory start having more of an effect.  If you feel this could be a
> problem go to http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/memtester/  This
> is a bootable diskette that does very complete tests of ram.  
> 
> James
> 


Of course /images/memtest-x6.bin is also a bootable image and does a 
fair job of testing  (on CD1 of the distro)

Civileme


> 
> On 07 Jan 2002 19:28:10 +
> richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Ken , the one thing that laptops do and furtively is to drop the
>>
> clock
> 
>>speed to reduce power, I've a Toshiba sat 4000cds, and it lies about
>>
> its
> 
>>clock speed. To increase battery life its very common to power down
>>parts of the motherboard when the're not in use.
>>
>>my 2 penneth
>>
>>BG richard
>>
>>On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 18:41, Ken Hawkins wrote:
>>
>>>I posted a rant on this very subject about 1 month ago. My laptop 
>>>continues to run just fine on 7.2, after a looonng day of
>>>
> attempting to 
> 
>>>install 8.1 I KNOW its not hardware because I haven't had a hiccup
>>>
> at 
> 
>>>all, and 7.2 autodetected all components, which 8.1 failed to
>>>
> accomplish.
> 
>>>Ken
>>>
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>>
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Davor Cengija wrote:


>   I'm having a really hard time with this new 8.1
>   distribution. It is very unstable and unpredictable (something
>   I wouldn't expect from Mandrake Linux). Anyone experienced
>   similar problems, say:
>
>- kicker dies without obvious reason
>- konqueror segfaults with libstdc++ errors in debug stack trace
>- the X server freezes while the rest of the system works fine
>
> (say,
> 
> internet connection). However, mouse and keyboard are dead
>
> (since
> 
> they're controlled by X, of course)
>- xemacs segfaults with different errors, in different states
>
>
Check your hardware. This sounds suspiciously like a failing CPU

> or case
> 
fan. I've been running 8.1 for about two months now and it has

> been
> 
solid.


>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
> 
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> 
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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[James Sparenberg]

I can report two conditions I've seen 8.1 do these kinds of things. 
One like is said by Richard.  The changing clock speeds which really
isn't handled well by the linux kernel.  According to an article I
remember but can't find I disabled this feature in Bios on the laptop
I was on and pf the box worked.  The other condition is memeory
chips.  Seems that as you optimize linux more and more errors in
memory start having more of an effect.  If you feel this could be a
problem go to http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/memtester/  This
is a bootable diskette that does very complete tests of ram.  

James


On 07 Jan 2002 19:28:10 +
richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ken , the one thing that laptops do and furtively is to drop the
clock
> speed to reduce power, I've a Toshiba sat 4000cds, and it lies about
its
> clock speed. To increase battery life its very common to power down
> parts of the motherboard when the're not in use.
> 
> my 2 penneth
> 
> BG richard
> 
> On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 18:41, Ken Hawkins wrote:
> > I posted a rant on this very subject about 1 month ago. My laptop 
> > continues to run just fine on 7.2, after a looonng day of
attempting to 
> > install 8.1 I KNOW its not hardware because I haven't had a hiccup
at 
> > all, and 7.2 autodetected all components, which 8.1 failed to
accomplish.
> > 
> > Ken
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > >On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Davor Cengija wrote:
> > >
> > >>  I'm having a really hard time with this new 8.1
> > >>  distribution. It is very unstable and unpredictable (something
> > >>  I wouldn't expect from Mandrake Linux). Anyone experienced
> > >>  similar problems, say:
> > >>
> > >>- kicker dies without obvious reason
> > >>- konqueror segfaults with libstdc++ errors in debug stack trace
> > >>- the X server freezes while the rest of the system works fine
(say,
> > >>  internet connection). However, mouse and keyboard are dead
(since
> > >>  they're controlled by X, of course)
> > >>- xemacs segfaults with different errors, in different states
> > >>
> > >Check your hardware. This sounds suspiciously like a failing CPU
or case
> > >fan. I've been running 8.1 for about two months now and it has
been
> > >solid.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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> 
> 
> 



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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Michael Leone]

On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 23:03, mike wrote:
> One of the virtues of Linux over Windblows was that the hardware requiremtns 
> were less stringent, no?

There's a difference between "less stringent" and "marginal". 

> 
> mg
> 
> 
> On Monday 07 January 2002 22:37, Michael Leone wrote:
> > On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 16:52, Davor Cengija wrote:
> > >   So, concensus would be that I have some hardware related
> > >   problems, which is quite unusual since Mdk 7.2 worked just
> > >   fine without any problem.
> >
> > Not necessarily PROBLEMS; just that Mdk 8.1 is more STRICT, and won't
> > tolerate (perhaps) marginal hardware, and 7.2 will.
> 
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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[mike]

One of the virtues of Linux over Windblows was that the hardware requiremtns 
were less stringent, no?

mg


On Monday 07 January 2002 22:37, Michael Leone wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 16:52, Davor Cengija wrote:
> > So, concensus would be that I have some hardware related
> > problems, which is quite unusual since Mdk 7.2 worked just
> > fine without any problem.
>
> Not necessarily PROBLEMS; just that Mdk 8.1 is more STRICT, and won't
> tolerate (perhaps) marginal hardware, and 7.2 will.


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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Michael Leone]

On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 16:52, Davor Cengija wrote:

> 
>   So, concensus would be that I have some hardware related
>   problems, which is quite unusual since Mdk 7.2 worked just
>   fine without any problem.

Not necessarily PROBLEMS; just that Mdk 8.1 is more STRICT, and won't
tolerate (perhaps) marginal hardware, and 7.2 will.
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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Ashley Reynolds]

Windows ME was truly Microsoft's *worst* operating system.

Kindest Regards,
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On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Gary A. Garibaldi wrote:

> I installed Mandrake 8.1 in about 45 minutes since it became available and if
> I wouldn't have moved this pass week it would have been up for over 3 months
> with out a hitch. I can't say the same about WinME. I spent 12 hours
> yesterday with my son-inlaw getting his system reinstalled because of
> multi-virui. I had multiple problems with sound and modem, and only after
> searching the internet I found the drivers and was able to get the basic
> system installed. Today he is installing all the other programs that he uses.
>
> Gary
>
> On Monday 07 January 2002 16:06 pm, you wrote:
> > Marc wrote:
> > > Unstable??  Are you kidding?
> > >
> > > My windows installation had all kinds of problem not recoqnicing
> > > hardware, conflicting irq etc etc.  MDK 8.1  runs very smooth without any
> > > prblem at all. So MDK 8.1 is very stable.
> > >
> > >
> > > marc
> > >
> > > On Monday 07 January 2002 06:59 pm, you wrote:
> > >>On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Davor Cengija wrote:
> > >>> I'm having a really hard time with this new 8.1
> > >>> distribution. It is very unstable and unpredictable (something
> > >>> I wouldn't expect from Mandrake Linux). Anyone experienced
> > >>> similar problems, say:
> > >>>
> > >>>- kicker dies without obvious reason
> > >>>- konqueror segfaults with libstdc++ errors in debug stack trace
> > >>>- the X server freezes while the rest of the system works fine (say,
> > >>>  internet connection). However, mouse and keyboard are dead (since
> > >>>  they're controlled by X, of course)
> > >>>- xemacs segfaults with different errors, in different states
> > >>>
> > >>> There are some other problems as well. I'll skip pasting stack
> > >>> traces, etc for now.
> > >>>
> > >>> The strange thing is that everything works just fine after
> > >>> reboot (like in windows :-). So, I'd say that either kernel or
> > >>> some standard lib (glibc, libstdc++ or whatever) is
> > >>> broken. Sometimes one error in say konqueror is followed by
> > >>> xemacs' segfault.
> > >>
> > >>Check your hardware. This sounds suspiciously like a failing CPU or case
> > >>fan. I've been running 8.1 for about two months now and it has been
> > >>solid.
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
> > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
> >
> > Are you using standard KDE from mandrake or the souped-up version that
> > does fast loads?  It sounds suspiciously like you have one of the
> > sensitive systems and you tried the second option.
> >
> > I have one 8.1 installation that would have four months uptime except
> > that I had to move its location from room to room and shut it down for
> > that purpose.  The only things giving me trouble are mozilla and
> > Aethera, which have to be killed periodically,  Others with some
> > interesting video cards or with video vs NIC IRQ conflicts have reported
> > some problems, but rarely.  One of the nice things about this distro is
> > that you can set PnP BIOS to yes with most machines, but you had better
> > set ACPI to "No"
> >
> > Civileme
>
>




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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Gary A. Garibaldi]

I installed Mandrake 8.1 in about 45 minutes since it became available and if 
I wouldn't have moved this pass week it would have been up for over 3 months 
with out a hitch. I can't say the same about WinME. I spent 12 hours 
yesterday with my son-inlaw getting his system reinstalled because of 
multi-virui. I had multiple problems with sound and modem, and only after 
searching the internet I found the drivers and was able to get the basic 
system installed. Today he is installing all the other programs that he uses.

Gary

On Monday 07 January 2002 16:06 pm, you wrote:
> Marc wrote:
> > Unstable??  Are you kidding?
> >
> > My windows installation had all kinds of problem not recoqnicing
> > hardware, conflicting irq etc etc.  MDK 8.1  runs very smooth without any
> > prblem at all. So MDK 8.1 is very stable.
> >
> >
> > marc
> >
> > On Monday 07 January 2002 06:59 pm, you wrote:
> >>On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Davor Cengija wrote:
> >>>   I'm having a really hard time with this new 8.1
> >>>   distribution. It is very unstable and unpredictable (something
> >>>   I wouldn't expect from Mandrake Linux). Anyone experienced
> >>>   similar problems, say:
> >>>
> >>>- kicker dies without obvious reason
> >>>- konqueror segfaults with libstdc++ errors in debug stack trace
> >>>- the X server freezes while the rest of the system works fine (say,
> >>>  internet connection). However, mouse and keyboard are dead (since
> >>>  they're controlled by X, of course)
> >>>- xemacs segfaults with different errors, in different states
> >>>
> >>>   There are some other problems as well. I'll skip pasting stack
> >>>   traces, etc for now.
> >>>
> >>>   The strange thing is that everything works just fine after
> >>>   reboot (like in windows :-). So, I'd say that either kernel or
> >>>   some standard lib (glibc, libstdc++ or whatever) is
> >>>   broken. Sometimes one error in say konqueror is followed by
> >>>   xemacs' segfault.
> >>
> >>Check your hardware. This sounds suspiciously like a failing CPU or case
> >>fan. I've been running 8.1 for about two months now and it has been
> >>solid.
> >
> > 
> >
> > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
> > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
>
> Are you using standard KDE from mandrake or the souped-up version that
> does fast loads?  It sounds suspiciously like you have one of the
> sensitive systems and you tried the second option.
>
> I have one 8.1 installation that would have four months uptime except
> that I had to move its location from room to room and shut it down for
> that purpose.  The only things giving me trouble are mozilla and
> Aethera, which have to be killed periodically,  Others with some
> interesting video cards or with video vs NIC IRQ conflicts have reported
> some problems, but rarely.  One of the nice things about this distro is
> that you can set PnP BIOS to yes with most machines, but you had better
> set ACPI to "No"
>
> Civileme



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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[tester]

Marc wrote:

> Unstable??  Are you kidding?   
> 
> My windows installation had all kinds of problem not recoqnicing hardware, 
> conflicting irq etc etc.  MDK 8.1  runs very smooth without any prblem at all.
> So MDK 8.1 is very stable.
> 
> 
> marc
> 
> 
> On Monday 07 January 2002 06:59 pm, you wrote:
> 
>>On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Davor Cengija wrote:
>>
>>> I'm having a really hard time with this new 8.1
>>> distribution. It is very unstable and unpredictable (something
>>> I wouldn't expect from Mandrake Linux). Anyone experienced
>>> similar problems, say:
>>>
>>>- kicker dies without obvious reason
>>>- konqueror segfaults with libstdc++ errors in debug stack trace
>>>- the X server freezes while the rest of the system works fine (say,
>>>  internet connection). However, mouse and keyboard are dead (since
>>>  they're controlled by X, of course)
>>>- xemacs segfaults with different errors, in different states
>>>
>>> There are some other problems as well. I'll skip pasting stack
>>> traces, etc for now.
>>>
>>> The strange thing is that everything works just fine after
>>> reboot (like in windows :-). So, I'd say that either kernel or
>>> some standard lib (glibc, libstdc++ or whatever) is
>>> broken. Sometimes one error in say konqueror is followed by
>>> xemacs' segfault.
>>>
>>Check your hardware. This sounds suspiciously like a failing CPU or case
>>fan. I've been running 8.1 for about two months now and it has been
>>solid.
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
> 

Are you using standard KDE from mandrake or the souped-up version that 
does fast loads?  It sounds suspiciously like you have one of the 
sensitive systems and you tried the second option.

I have one 8.1 installation that would have four months uptime except 
that I had to move its location from room to room and shut it down for 
that purpose.  The only things giving me trouble are mozilla and 
Aethera, which have to be killed periodically,  Others with some 
interesting video cards or with video vs NIC IRQ conflicts have reported 
some problems, but rarely.  One of the nice things about this distro is 
that you can set PnP BIOS to yes with most machines, but you had better 
set ACPI to "No"

Civileme





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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Carroll Grigsby]

On Monday 07 January 2002 04:52 pm, you wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Marc wrote:
> > Unstable??  Are you kidding?
>
>   Why would I? Have other problems on my mind...
>
> > My windows installation had all kinds of problem not recoqnicing
> > hardware, conflicting irq etc etc.  MDK 8.1  runs very smooth without any
> > prblem at all. So MDK 8.1 is very stable.
>
>   So, concensus would be that I have some hardware related
>   problems, which is quite unusual since Mdk 7.2 worked just
>   fine without any problem.
>
>   I'll investigate it a little bit further.
>
>   Thanks everybody for the hints.

H... I never got 7.2 to run more than a few hours -- and I made several 
tries -- but every other Mandrake (7.0 through 8.1) have run like champs 
pretty much out of the box. Go figure. Maybe it's an astrological thing
-- Carroll



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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[kwan]

On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Davor Cengija wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Check your hardware. This sounds suspiciously like a failing CPU or case
> > fan. I've been running 8.1 for about two months now and it has been
> > solid.
> >
>
>   Thanks for your reply (and thanks to Richard, as well).
>
>   At first I thought it was a hardware problem, but since I'm
>   runningthis motherboard (Soyo Apollo etc etc) and P3/500 for
>   over two years and had no problems of any kind, I though RAM
>   could be defective, but memtests reported no errors.
>
>   As far as I can see, CPU and fan are working fine.
>
>   Is there any hardware stress/testing tool available for Linux
>   (or even for Windows)?

Search for a utility called cpuburn. There's also a memchecking utility
on the Mandrake install disk under /images called mem-test.bin. dd this
image to a floppy and boot with it to check your memory.
>




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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Ed Tharp]

On Monday 07 January 2002 16:52, you wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Marc wrote:
> > Unstable??  Are you kidding?
>
>   Why would I? Have other problems on my mind...
>
> > My windows installation had all kinds of problem not recoqnicing
> > hardware, conflicting irq etc etc.  MDK 8.1  runs very smooth without any
> > prblem at all. So MDK 8.1 is very stable.
>
>   So, concensus would be that I have some hardware related
>   problems, which is quite unusual since Mdk 7.2 worked just
>   fine without any problem.
perhaps a "more clear" statement might be "consensus would be that I have 
some hardware related problems with the difference in configuring 7.x MDK+ a 
2.2.x kernel -vs- MDK 8.x and a 2.4.x kernel" not so much the hardware as the 
_configuration_ of the hardware?




>   I'll investigate it a little bit further.
>
>   Thanks everybody for the hints.



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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Davor Cengija]

On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Marc wrote:

> Unstable??  Are you kidding?

Why would I? Have other problems on my mind...
>
> My windows installation had all kinds of problem not recoqnicing hardware,
> conflicting irq etc etc.  MDK 8.1  runs very smooth without any prblem at all.
> So MDK 8.1 is very stable.
>

So, concensus would be that I have some hardware related
problems, which is quite unusual since Mdk 7.2 worked just
fine without any problem.

I'll investigate it a little bit further.

Thanks everybody for the hints.

-- 
Davor Cengija
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Ken Hawkins]

Maybe I missed the response, but is this a downloaded ISO image? If so, 
did you perform a checksum test? All it takes is one bad source file to 
ruin a good ISO.

Ken

Davor Cengija wrote:

>On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>Check your hardware. This sounds suspiciously like a failing CPU or case
>>fan. I've been running 8.1 for about two months now and it has been
>>solid.
>>
>
>   Thanks for your reply (and thanks to Richard, as well).
>
>   At first I thought it was a hardware problem, but since I'm
>   runningthis motherboard (Soyo Apollo etc etc) and P3/500 for
>   over two years and had no problems of any kind, I though RAM
>   could be defective, but memtests reported no errors.
>
>   As far as I can see, CPU and fan are working fine.
>
>   Is there any hardware stress/testing tool available for Linux
>   (or even for Windows)?
>
>




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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Steven Spears]

Currently running 8.1 on three desktops and one laptop. I've yet to have a 
problem with stability. One machine is a generic (everything built on board) 
pc that I use everday to work on Window machines (HEHE Using Linux to work on 
Windows), and it has never failed me. This machines runs for nine hours in a 
day and gets about as much abuse as I can dish out. 

The others are home machines and they have been running without error since 
installation. They are both 1ghz Amd/ASUS machines. 

Steve Spears


On Monday 07 January 2002 01:28 pm, you wrote:
> Ken , the one thing that laptops do and furtively is to drop the clock
> speed to reduce power, I've a Toshiba sat 4000cds, and it lies about its
> clock speed. To increase battery life its very common to power down
> parts of the motherboard when the're not in use.
>
> my 2 penneth
>
> BG richard
>
> On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 18:41, Ken Hawkins wrote:
> > I posted a rant on this very subject about 1 month ago. My laptop
> > continues to run just fine on 7.2, after a looonng day of attempting to
> > install 8.1 I KNOW its not hardware because I haven't had a hiccup at
> > all, and 7.2 autodetected all components, which 8.1 failed to accomplish.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Davor Cengija wrote:
> > >>  I'm having a really hard time with this new 8.1
> > >>  distribution. It is very unstable and unpredictable (something
> > >>  I wouldn't expect from Mandrake Linux). Anyone experienced
> > >>  similar problems, say:
> > >>
> > >>- kicker dies without obvious reason
> > >>- konqueror segfaults with libstdc++ errors in debug stack trace
> > >>- the X server freezes while the rest of the system works fine (say,
> > >>  internet connection). However, mouse and keyboard are dead (since
> > >>  they're controlled by X, of course)
> > >>- xemacs segfaults with different errors, in different states
> > >
> > >Check your hardware. This sounds suspiciously like a failing CPU or case
> > >fan. I've been running 8.1 for about two months now and it has been
> > >solid.
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
> > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com



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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Davor Cengija]

On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Check your hardware. This sounds suspiciously like a failing CPU or case
> fan. I've been running 8.1 for about two months now and it has been
> solid.
>

Thanks for your reply (and thanks to Richard, as well).

At first I thought it was a hardware problem, but since I'm
runningthis motherboard (Soyo Apollo etc etc) and P3/500 for
over two years and had no problems of any kind, I though RAM
could be defective, but memtests reported no errors.

As far as I can see, CPU and fan are working fine.

Is there any hardware stress/testing tool available for Linux
(or even for Windows)?
-- 
Davor Cengija
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Marc]

Unstable??  Are you kidding?   

My windows installation had all kinds of problem not recoqnicing hardware, 
conflicting irq etc etc.  MDK 8.1  runs very smooth without any prblem at all.
So MDK 8.1 is very stable.


marc


On Monday 07 January 2002 06:59 pm, you wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Davor Cengija wrote:
> > I'm having a really hard time with this new 8.1
> > distribution. It is very unstable and unpredictable (something
> > I wouldn't expect from Mandrake Linux). Anyone experienced
> > similar problems, say:
> >
> > - kicker dies without obvious reason
> > - konqueror segfaults with libstdc++ errors in debug stack trace
> > - the X server freezes while the rest of the system works fine (say,
> >   internet connection). However, mouse and keyboard are dead (since
> >   they're controlled by X, of course)
> > - xemacs segfaults with different errors, in different states
> >
> > There are some other problems as well. I'll skip pasting stack
> > traces, etc for now.
> >
> > The strange thing is that everything works just fine after
> > reboot (like in windows :-). So, I'd say that either kernel or
> > some standard lib (glibc, libstdc++ or whatever) is
> > broken. Sometimes one error in say konqueror is followed by
> > xemacs' segfault.
>
> Check your hardware. This sounds suspiciously like a failing CPU or case
> fan. I've been running 8.1 for about two months now and it has been
> solid.



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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[richard]

Ken , the one thing that laptops do and furtively is to drop the clock
speed to reduce power, I've a Toshiba sat 4000cds, and it lies about its
clock speed. To increase battery life its very common to power down
parts of the motherboard when the're not in use.

my 2 penneth

BG richard

On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 18:41, Ken Hawkins wrote:
> I posted a rant on this very subject about 1 month ago. My laptop 
> continues to run just fine on 7.2, after a looonng day of attempting to 
> install 8.1 I KNOW its not hardware because I haven't had a hiccup at 
> all, and 7.2 autodetected all components, which 8.1 failed to accomplish.
> 
> Ken
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Davor Cengija wrote:
> >
> >>I'm having a really hard time with this new 8.1
> >>distribution. It is very unstable and unpredictable (something
> >>I wouldn't expect from Mandrake Linux). Anyone experienced
> >>similar problems, say:
> >>
> >>- kicker dies without obvious reason
> >>- konqueror segfaults with libstdc++ errors in debug stack trace
> >>- the X server freezes while the rest of the system works fine (say,
> >>  internet connection). However, mouse and keyboard are dead (since
> >>  they're controlled by X, of course)
> >>- xemacs segfaults with different errors, in different states
> >>
> >Check your hardware. This sounds suspiciously like a failing CPU or case
> >fan. I've been running 8.1 for about two months now and it has been
> >solid.
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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RE: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Franki]

that must be a hardware issue of some sort.. I have 8.1 systems now that
have uptimes of months.. not a problem..
then again, I only use server services really, so maybe thats why I haven't
had the problems.


rgds

Frank

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable


I posted a rant on this very subject about 1 month ago. My laptop
continues to run just fine on 7.2, after a looonng day of attempting to
install 8.1 I KNOW its not hardware because I haven't had a hiccup at
all, and 7.2 autodetected all components, which 8.1 failed to accomplish.

Ken

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Davor Cengija wrote:
>
>>  I'm having a really hard time with this new 8.1
>>  distribution. It is very unstable and unpredictable (something
>>  I wouldn't expect from Mandrake Linux). Anyone experienced
>>  similar problems, say:
>>
>>- kicker dies without obvious reason
>>- konqueror segfaults with libstdc++ errors in debug stack trace
>>- the X server freezes while the rest of the system works fine (say,
>>  internet connection). However, mouse and keyboard are dead (since
>>  they're controlled by X, of course)
>>- xemacs segfaults with different errors, in different states
>>
>Check your hardware. This sounds suspiciously like a failing CPU or case
>fan. I've been running 8.1 for about two months now and it has been
>solid.
>







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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Ken Hawkins]

I posted a rant on this very subject about 1 month ago. My laptop 
continues to run just fine on 7.2, after a looonng day of attempting to 
install 8.1 I KNOW its not hardware because I haven't had a hiccup at 
all, and 7.2 autodetected all components, which 8.1 failed to accomplish.

Ken

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Davor Cengija wrote:
>
>>  I'm having a really hard time with this new 8.1
>>  distribution. It is very unstable and unpredictable (something
>>  I wouldn't expect from Mandrake Linux). Anyone experienced
>>  similar problems, say:
>>
>>- kicker dies without obvious reason
>>- konqueror segfaults with libstdc++ errors in debug stack trace
>>- the X server freezes while the rest of the system works fine (say,
>>  internet connection). However, mouse and keyboard are dead (since
>>  they're controlled by X, of course)
>>- xemacs segfaults with different errors, in different states
>>
>Check your hardware. This sounds suspiciously like a failing CPU or case
>fan. I've been running 8.1 for about two months now and it has been
>solid.
>





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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[richard]

Hi , yes I've had similar experiences with mdk 8.1, I now have two
motherboards which have one or two very subtle faults.
On the other two machines absolutely no problem with stability.
I found 8.1 more demanding on resources than 7.2, so if there's a
hardware problem its going to show up very quickly..
Bear in mind the way pc hardware gets handled, its no wonder things die
a little when pushed hard. ESD handling and dealers seem to be mutually
exclusive to each other..
HTH 
BG
richard

On Mon, 2002-01-07 at 17:23, Davor Cengija wrote:
>   I'm having a really hard time with this new 8.1
>   distribution. It is very unstable and unpredictable (something
>   I wouldn't expect from Mandrake Linux). Anyone experienced
>   similar problems, say:
> 
> - kicker dies without obvious reason
> - konqueror segfaults with libstdc++ errors in debug stack trace
> - the X server freezes while the rest of the system works fine (say,
>   internet connection). However, mouse and keyboard are dead (since
>   they're controlled by X, of course)
> - xemacs segfaults with different errors, in different states
> 
>   There are some other problems as well. I'll skip pasting stack
>   traces, etc for now.
> 
>   The strange thing is that everything works just fine after
>   reboot (like in windows :-). So, I'd say that either kernel or
>   some standard lib (glibc, libstdc++ or whatever) is
>   broken. Sometimes one error in say konqueror is followed by
>   xemacs' segfault.
> 
>   I'm pretty experienced in Linux (as a user). I'm using
>   Mandrake since 5.x, if I remember correctly. I usually skip
>   over X.0 versions and though 8.1 would be fine. But it is not,
>   unfortunatelly.
> 
>   I know this post is very undetailed, and I'd gladly post stack
>   traces etc if there's an interest in this group.
> 
>   My current configuration:
> 
> Mandrake 8.1 - vanilla
> Changed kernel to 2.4.16 (slightly better than distribution provided
> 2.4.8 without devfs)
> DevFS turned off (This was a very bad decision by Mandrake Devel. Team
> to include it by default. DevFS just doesn't work good).
> 
> 
>   So, if anyone had similar experiences, I'd gladly discuss them
>   and finally we could make something out.
> 
>   Cheers!
> 
> -- 
> Davor Cengija
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 
> 

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[expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[Davor Cengija]

I'm having a really hard time with this new 8.1
distribution. It is very unstable and unpredictable (something
I wouldn't expect from Mandrake Linux). Anyone experienced
similar problems, say:

- kicker dies without obvious reason
- konqueror segfaults with libstdc++ errors in debug stack trace
- the X server freezes while the rest of the system works fine (say,
  internet connection). However, mouse and keyboard are dead (since
  they're controlled by X, of course)
- xemacs segfaults with different errors, in different states

There are some other problems as well. I'll skip pasting stack
traces, etc for now.

The strange thing is that everything works just fine after
reboot (like in windows :-). So, I'd say that either kernel or
some standard lib (glibc, libstdc++ or whatever) is
broken. Sometimes one error in say konqueror is followed by
xemacs' segfault.

I'm pretty experienced in Linux (as a user). I'm using
Mandrake since 5.x, if I remember correctly. I usually skip
over X.0 versions and though 8.1 would be fine. But it is not,
unfortunatelly.

I know this post is very undetailed, and I'd gladly post stack
traces etc if there's an interest in this group.

My current configuration:

Mandrake 8.1 - vanilla
Changed kernel to 2.4.16 (slightly better than distribution provided
2.4.8 without devfs)
DevFS turned off (This was a very bad decision by Mandrake Devel. Team
to include it by default. DevFS just doesn't work good).


So, if anyone had similar experiences, I'd gladly discuss them
and finally we could make something out.

Cheers!

-- 
Davor Cengija
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




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Re: [expert] 8.1 - very unstable

[kwan]

On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Davor Cengija wrote:

>   I'm having a really hard time with this new 8.1
>   distribution. It is very unstable and unpredictable (something
>   I wouldn't expect from Mandrake Linux). Anyone experienced
>   similar problems, say:
>
> - kicker dies without obvious reason
> - konqueror segfaults with libstdc++ errors in debug stack trace
> - the X server freezes while the rest of the system works fine (say,
>   internet connection). However, mouse and keyboard are dead (since
>   they're controlled by X, of course)
> - xemacs segfaults with different errors, in different states
>
>   There are some other problems as well. I'll skip pasting stack
>   traces, etc for now.
>
>   The strange thing is that everything works just fine after
>   reboot (like in windows :-). So, I'd say that either kernel or
>   some standard lib (glibc, libstdc++ or whatever) is
>   broken. Sometimes one error in say konqueror is followed by
>   xemacs' segfault.

Check your hardware. This sounds suspiciously like a failing CPU or case
fan. I've been running 8.1 for about two months now and it has been
solid.





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