Re: [expert] DEVFS was usb support in Mandrake?
On Mon, 2002-02-18 at 11:16, Mike Rambo wrote: > Mark Weaver wrote: > > > > On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:04:02 -0500 > > Mike Rambo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> thoughtfully uttered these words to > > ponder: > > > > > > > > It's telling you it can't find a visor on the port at /dev/visor - > > > this is the error I had before I shut down devfs and configured things > > > as I indicated in previous posts. You'll also see this error if you > > > start the sync in jpilot very much before pressing the hot sync button > > > on the cradle. I'm at a loss for any further suggestions other than > > > that you try to come up with another box somewhere so you can > > > eliminate hardware problems (which is probably a long shot anyway). > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > all right...I'll go back and make sure I've got devfs disabled, but I'm > > almost certain I do. I placed "nomount devfs" in the append line of lilo > > conf per your instructions... yup. I've got devfs disabled in > > lilo.conf. I guess I'll just keep trying till it connects or gives me a > > some better feedback as to what's going on. > > > > thanks, > > > > -- > > daRcmaTTeR > > > > I don't know about "nomount devfs" - the line I've used is this... > > > 6 edit /etc/lilo.conf and add append=" devfs=nomount" to your default > > linux boot entry (run lilo at the prompt to make the change take effect > > at next boot). > > An easy way you can check whether devfs is disabled is by whether there > is a bunch of entries under /dev/usb. There should be a couple dozen > things including ttyUSB0 through ttyUSB15 if devfs has really been > disabled. If there is nothing then devfs is most likely still enabled. > > > -- > Mike Rambo > [EMAIL PROTECTED] yes...the entry in the lilo.conf is the same as you've posted. And I think I've narrowed it down to a hardware problem in the computer itself cause I'm not able to get it to sync in windows now either, however the visor does communicate ok on my Supervisor's system. So it would appear that there's something wrong on the mobo with the USB ports that is causing the problem. -- daRcmaTTeR Registered Linux User 182496 Mandrake 8.2beta1 - 12:05pm up 17 min, 3 users, load average: 0.16, 0.08, 0.08 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] DEVFS was usb support in Mandrake?
Mark Weaver wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:04:02 -0500 > Mike Rambo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> thoughtfully uttered these words to > ponder: > > > > > It's telling you it can't find a visor on the port at /dev/visor - > > this is the error I had before I shut down devfs and configured things > > as I indicated in previous posts. You'll also see this error if you > > start the sync in jpilot very much before pressing the hot sync button > > on the cradle. I'm at a loss for any further suggestions other than > > that you try to come up with another box somewhere so you can > > eliminate hardware problems (which is probably a long shot anyway). > > > > > > -- > > all right...I'll go back and make sure I've got devfs disabled, but I'm > almost certain I do. I placed "nomount devfs" in the append line of lilo > conf per your instructions... yup. I've got devfs disabled in > lilo.conf. I guess I'll just keep trying till it connects or gives me a > some better feedback as to what's going on. > > thanks, > > -- > daRcmaTTeR > I don't know about "nomount devfs" - the line I've used is this... > 6 edit /etc/lilo.conf and add append=" devfs=nomount" to your default > linux boot entry (run lilo at the prompt to make the change take effect > at next boot). An easy way you can check whether devfs is disabled is by whether there is a bunch of entries under /dev/usb. There should be a couple dozen things including ttyUSB0 through ttyUSB15 if devfs has really been disabled. If there is nothing then devfs is most likely still enabled. -- Mike Rambo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] DEVFS was usb support in Mandrake?
On Monday 18 February 2002 08:44, you wrote: > all right...I'll go back and make sure I've got devfs disabled, but I'm > almost certain I do. I placed "nomount devfs" in the append line of lilo > conf per your instructions... yup. I've got devfs disabled in > lilo.conf. I guess I'll just keep trying till it connects or gives me a > some better feedback as to what's going on. > > thanks, I had no problem with putting the "nomount" in lilo.conf either; whenever I was taking devfs online and offline for various reasons. A kernel recompile is unecessary as far as disabling devfs is concerned. I haven't had any problems with devfs as of yet; the USB bus devices seem to be recognized and work OK. Certainly everything inside the box is OK. The only suggestion I can offer is that if you have the same device problem under both /dev filesystem types, then it may be time to start looking in other places for the source of the problem. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] DEVFS was usb support in Mandrake?
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:04:02 -0500 Mike Rambo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> thoughtfully uttered these words to ponder: > > It's telling you it can't find a visor on the port at /dev/visor - > this is the error I had before I shut down devfs and configured things > as I indicated in previous posts. You'll also see this error if you > start the sync in jpilot very much before pressing the hot sync button > on the cradle. I'm at a loss for any further suggestions other than > that you try to come up with another box somewhere so you can > eliminate hardware problems (which is probably a long shot anyway). > > > -- all right...I'll go back and make sure I've got devfs disabled, but I'm almost certain I do. I placed "nomount devfs" in the append line of lilo conf per your instructions... yup. I've got devfs disabled in lilo.conf. I guess I'll just keep trying till it connects or gives me a some better feedback as to what's going on. thanks, -- daRcmaTTeR Registered Linux User 182496 Mandrake 8.2beta1 - 8:05am up 2 days, 15:33, 3 users, load average: 1.01, 1.05, 1.08 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] DEVFS was usb support in Mandrake?
Mark Weaver wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:17:50 -0500 > Mike Rambo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> thoughtfully uttered these words to > ponder: > > > > > Any idea where it all falls apart? > > > > I set up another mdk8.1 box yesterday and, after seeing your message, > > paid pretty close attention to what I did in getting my visor to sync > > with jpilot. FWIW, at this point I'm still working with the default > > 'out of the box' install though I will soon add all the security > > updates on this box. > > Hi Mike, > > here's the message I'm getting in J-Pilot when trying to hot-sync; > > > Syncing on device /dev/visor > Press the HotSync button now > > pi_bind Invalid argument > Check your serial port and settings > If you use a USB pilot press the Hotsync > button before and repush the button Sync > exiting with status -10 > > > I'm not quite sure what to make of this. But the info you've posted is > awesome and I really appreciate you taking the time to help scratch my > brain on this one. > > -- > daRcmaTTeR > It's telling you it can't find a visor on the port at /dev/visor - this is the error I had before I shut down devfs and configured things as I indicated in previous posts. You'll also see this error if you start the sync in jpilot very much before pressing the hot sync button on the cradle. I'm at a loss for any further suggestions other than that you try to come up with another box somewhere so you can eliminate hardware problems (which is probably a long shot anyway). -- Mike Rambo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] DEVFS was usb support in Mandrake?
On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:17:50 -0500 Mike Rambo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> thoughtfully uttered these words to ponder: > > Any idea where it all falls apart? > > I set up another mdk8.1 box yesterday and, after seeing your message, > paid pretty close attention to what I did in getting my visor to sync > with jpilot. FWIW, at this point I'm still working with the default > 'out of the box' install though I will soon add all the security > updates on this box. Hi Mike, here's the message I'm getting in J-Pilot when trying to hot-sync; Syncing on device /dev/visor Press the HotSync button now pi_bind Invalid argument Check your serial port and settings If you use a USB pilot press the Hotsync button before and repush the button Sync exiting with status -10 I'm not quite sure what to make of this. But the info you've posted is awesome and I really appreciate you taking the time to help scratch my brain on this one. -- daRcmaTTeR Registered Linux User 182496 Mandrake 8.1 - 4:05pm up 22:59, 2 users, load average: 0.04, 0.19, 0.22 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] DEVFS was usb support in Mandrake?
Mark Weaver wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 07:54:00 -0500 > Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SICN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> thoughtfully > uttered these words to ponder: > > > In 8.1, I just added to the append line devfs=nomount > > reran lilo, did a complete shutdown, not restart. > > When the system started up, I had all my /dev/ links. > > My SCSI scanner works now as does CDRW, and TV card > > > > > > Brian D. Klar - CVE > > OTS > > WPAFB > > Hi Brian, > > I too have done the same thing as well as a few extra steps that > involved entering the necessary module names in /etc/modules, and > creating a symbolic link from /dev/usb/ttyUSB1 -> /dev/visor. > unfortunately while the information that Mike gave me was absolutle > stellar I wasn't able to get my visor to work. I'm still not sure why. > > -- > daRcmaTTeR > > Registered Linux User 182496 > Mandrake 8.1 > - > 10:05am up 1 day, 19:48, 2 users, load average: 1.93, 1.79, 1.91 > > Any idea where it all falls apart? I set up another mdk8.1 box yesterday and, after seeing your message, paid pretty close attention to what I did in getting my visor to sync with jpilot. FWIW, at this point I'm still working with the default 'out of the box' install though I will soon add all the security updates on this box. To get the visor sync to work... 1 Make sure the USB service is started (check it by - /etc/rc.d/init.d/usb status) 2 edit /etc/sysconfig/usb - set visor=yes 3 edit /etc/modules - add usbcore usb-uhci (usb-uhci if Intel chipset, usb-ohci for most others) usbserial visor 4 make a symlink from /dev/usb/ttyUSB1 to /dev/visor (ln -s /dev/usb/ttyUSB1 /dev/visor) 5 informational - check /etc/modules.conf - if mdk setup found USB during install there'll probably be a line to that effect here. It'll also tell you whether you need usb-uhci or usb-ohci above. If there is nothing here make sure usb is not disabled in bios. 6 edit /etc/lilo.conf and add append=" devfs=nomount" to your default linux boot entry (run lilo at the prompt to make the change take effect at next boot). 7 reboot the system. 8 run jpilot - under file>preferences>settings set serial port to /dev/visor and speed to 9600 (I haven't checked whether faster speeds work). Shutdown jpilot. 9 run jpilot - put your visor in the cradle and press the hot sync button THEN click the sync button in jpilot. My Visor Platinum works every time. I also have a laptop that does have all the security updates and it works too implying that none of the updates break this in any way. Hope this helps. -- Mike Rambo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] DEVFS was usb support in Mandrake?
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 07:54:00 -0500 Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SICN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> thoughtfully uttered these words to ponder: > In 8.1, I just added to the append line devfs=nomount > reran lilo, did a complete shutdown, not restart. > When the system started up, I had all my /dev/ links. > My SCSI scanner works now as does CDRW, and TV card > > > Brian D. Klar - CVE > OTS > WPAFB Hi Brian, I too have done the same thing as well as a few extra steps that involved entering the necessary module names in /etc/modules, and creating a symbolic link from /dev/usb/ttyUSB1 -> /dev/visor. unfortunately while the information that Mike gave me was absolutle stellar I wasn't able to get my visor to work. I'm still not sure why. -- daRcmaTTeR Registered Linux User 182496 Mandrake 8.1 - 10:05am up 1 day, 19:48, 2 users, load average: 1.93, 1.79, 1.91 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] DEVFS was usb support in Mandrake?
In 8.1, I just added to the append line devfs=nomount reran lilo, did a complete shutdown, not restart. When the system started up, I had all my /dev/ links. My SCSI scanner works now as does CDRW, and TV card Brian D. Klar - CVE OTS WPAFB -Original Message- From: Mark Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] DEVFS was usb support in Mandrake? On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:46:29 +0200 jarmo kettunen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> thoughtfully uttered these words to ponder: > > > It turns out that even if I could figure out just how to disable > > devfs I'm not sure it would matter now at this point. The only thing > > keeping me from torching this system right now is the fact that it's > > beta software and beta by definition means it has bugs. > > > > I would like to be able to have my /dev links free of devfs though. > > Now that I've meant the guy I can safely say I don't like him. > > Hi > > I had "troubles" with devfs and I got rid of them by compiling kernel > without devfs support. > I just wonder why experimental things has to take as default in MDK. > Is it so big job make a documentation about new things,what people > might trylater? > > Jarmo I can certainly relate to that. And I've started to configure the kernel to just what you've mentioned. -- daRcmaTTeR Registered Linux User 182496 Mandrake 8.1 - 11:05am up 20:48, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] DEVFS was usb support in Mandrake?
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:46:29 +0200 jarmo kettunen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> thoughtfully uttered these words to ponder: > > > It turns out that even if I could figure out just how to disable > > devfs I'm not sure it would matter now at this point. The only thing > > keeping me from torching this system right now is the fact that it's > > beta software and beta by definition means it has bugs. > > > > I would like to be able to have my /dev links free of devfs though. > > Now that I've meant the guy I can safely say I don't like him. > > Hi > > I had "troubles" with devfs and I got rid of them by compiling kernel > without devfs support. > I just wonder why experimental things has to take as default in MDK. > Is it so big job make a documentation about new things,what people > might trylater? > > Jarmo I can certainly relate to that. And I've started to configure the kernel to just what you've mentioned. -- daRcmaTTeR Registered Linux User 182496 Mandrake 8.1 - 11:05am up 20:48, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] DEVFS was usb support in Mandrake?
> It turns out that even if I could figure out just how to disable devfs > I'm not sure it would matter now at this point. The only thing keeping > me from torching this system right now is the fact that it's beta > software and beta by definition means it has bugs. > > I would like to be able to have my /dev links free of devfs though. Now > that I've meant the guy I can safely say I don't like him. Hi I had "troubles" with devfs and I got rid of them by compiling kernel without devfs support. I just wonder why experimental things has to take as default in MDK. Is it so big job make a documentation about new things,what people might trylater? Jarmo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] DEVFS was usb support in Mandrake?
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:06:17 -0700 Ken Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> thoughtfully uttered these words to ponder: > > Lots of things are broken with devfs disabled, seems there are few if > any links completed in /dev and I for one don't want to take time to > restore them all. CD/RW works OK with devfs, ZIP doesn't, I disable > devfs ZIP works, modem and CDRW don't, BAH. The results also vary from > machine to machine AND from install to install on the same > machine. HEY, Mandrake, give us an easy to find choice as to > whether or not we want dev fs OR at least some way to kill it and > restore the links in /dev-- > Hi Ken, It turns out that even if I could figure out just how to disable devfs I'm not sure it would matter now at this point. The only thing keeping me from torching this system right now is the fact that it's beta software and beta by definition means it has bugs. I would like to be able to have my /dev links free of devfs though. Now that I've meant the guy I can safely say I don't like him. -- daRcmaTTeR Registered Linux User 182496 Mandrake 8.1 - 1:42pm up 51 min, 2 users, load average: 0.25, 0.13, 0.39 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] DEVFS was usb support in Mandrake?
> AFAICS devfs seems to be the culprit behind most USB problems. Mandrake > had even recommended disabling it when they released the first kernel > update after 8.1 was released. devfs is also why you don't see all the > /dev links as you used to. The concept behind devfs says that those > links are only created on the fly as they're needed, if you disable > devfs they'll all come back and behave in the old manner. We have three > 8.1 boxes here. We've only gotten one of them to sync via USB with our > Handsprings using devfs - and even that one will only sync through > jpilot (can't get evolution to work). The other two boxes we've had to > disable devfs (I think you specify devfs = nomount or some such in > lilo.conf) and use the hard coded links to get the Handsprings to sync > via USB. > > I know I've read numerous messages where folks have had no problem with > devfs, even some in this thread. But it does appear problematic to me. > YMMV. Lots of things are broken with devfs disabled, seems there are few if any links completed in /dev and I for one don't want to take time to restore them all. CD/RW works OK with devfs, ZIP doesn't, I disable devfs ZIP works, modem and CDRW don't, BAH. The results also vary from machine to machine AND from install to install on the same machine. HEY, Mandrake, give us an easy to find choice as to whether or not we want dev fs OR at least some way to kill it and restore the links in /dev -- Ken Thompson, North West Antique Autos Payette, Idaho Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nwaa.com Sales and brokering of antique autos and parts. Linux- Coming Soon To A Desktop Near You Registered Linux User #183936 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
