Re: [expert] HelixCode GNOME

2000-03-12 Thread Vincent Danen

On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, zed wrote:

> So where can I find this HelixCode GNOME??? I really would like to check
> it out.

www.helixcode.com

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Re: [expert] HelixCode GNOME

2000-03-12 Thread Axalon Bloodstone

On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, zed wrote:

> So where can I find this HelixCode GNOME??? I really would like to check
> it out.
> 
> 
> zed

Redhat packages are available direct from Helixcode(1), I'm waiting on a
response from Miguel to get rpms actualy build on a Mandrake system
uploaded to them. Currently the rpms they have for Mandrake are just
provided by a symlink to the Redhat directrory. You can get i586 rpms (all
but gnome-media, which has some spec problems) from
ftp://ftp.mandrakesoft.com/pub/axalon/helix/pristine/
There are minor problems, the xscreensaver and xmms rpms from Helixcode
are not seperated as the Mandrake rpms are, there are two mdk xmms
packages you'll want to erase, and you must use --nodeps for xscreensaver
if you do not have a Voodoo card and libglide2x.so

 
1: http://www.helixcode.com
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Re: [expert] HelixCode GNOME

2000-03-12 Thread zed

So where can I find this HelixCode GNOME??? I really would like to check
it out.


zed



Re: [expert] HelixCode GNOME (no kde please)

2000-03-12 Thread Axalon Bloodstone

On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, Alexander Volovics wrote:

> Even nicer would be if Mandrake enabled you to do an install EXCLUDING
> everything belonging to KDE! Even the custom can't. 
> 
> Alexander

Works here(tm), just don't select kde and the only thing you get is
Pixel's wonderfully hacked up static kdesu. 

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Re: [expert] HelixCode GNOME

2000-03-12 Thread Tom Berkley

That's very easy to fix. Identify all the kde rpm's that are installed on your
system. They all start with kde.
rpm -e list

where the list is all the installed rpm's and you are done. doesn't get much
easier than this.

Tom

Alexander Volovics wrote:

> On 12-Mar-00 Sheldon Lee Wen wrote:
>
> >> Has anyone tried out the HelixCode GNOME?  Wow!  I was (and still
> >> am) severely impressed.
>
> >> What is going to happen with Mandrake making use of this?  This should be
> >> included in the base Mandrake distribution as a (IMHO) replacement for the
> >> regular GNOME.
>
> > I really hope that Mandrake includes these packages. Better if they make
> > their own rpm's and put them on the update.
>
> Even nicer would be if Mandrake enabled you to do an install EXCLUDING
> everything belonging to KDE! Even the custom can't.
>
> Alexander



Re: [expert] HelixCode GNOME

2000-03-12 Thread Vincent Danen

On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> > > Yeah, that's kinda annoying, but I don't usually use the desktop icons
> > > anyways.  But it would be nice if they did actually work... =(
> > 
> > Elaborate, nothing wrong with mine..
> 
> Same here; my desktop icons are functioning no differently than
> before. Before switching over to Helix, I renamed my old .gnome dir, and
> let a new one be created -- maybe that had something to do with it.

Hmmm... maybe I'll try that and see if that makes a difference.

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Re: [expert] HelixCode GNOME

2000-03-12 Thread Vincent Danen

On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, Alexander Volovics wrote:

> >> What is going to happen with Mandrake making use of this?  This should be
> >> included in the base Mandrake distribution as a (IMHO) replacement for the
> >> regular GNOME.
> 
> > I really hope that Mandrake includes these packages. Better if they make
> > their own rpm's and put them on the update.
> 
> Even nicer would be if Mandrake enabled you to do an install EXCLUDING
> everything belonging to KDE! Even the custom can't. 

Why?  I don't use KDE myself, but I do use some KDE applications... since
they run quite nicely under GNOME, I kinda like having them available.

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Re: [expert] HelixCode GNOME

2000-03-12 Thread Vincent Danen

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Axalon Bloodstone wrote:

> > > Elaborate, nothing wrong with mine..
> > 
> > Well, you can't change the icon, for one thing.  Well, you can change it,
> > but the change doesn't take...  all symlinks or exe's are the can thing
> > with the (I dunno) bone(?) sticking out the bottom of it, and everything
> 
> It's a Piston from a combustion engine :)

Oh...hehehe... well, whatever it is... =)

> > else is a piece of paper.  Application icons (ie. I had one before that
> > would load vmware) don't work anymore (it's like it's not reading the info
> > in the .desktop file).  For all intents and purposes, unless it's
> > symlinked, the icon doesn't work and you can't change the icon look.
>  
> :/ can't reproduce that either/still  

Hmmm... so when you installed it it worked fine?  Strange...  I know I did
get some dependancy problems (ie. bc wasn't installed so it couldn't
install libgtop and gtop), and I think there was one other thing as well
but I can't remember it...

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Re: [expert] HelixCode GNOME

2000-03-12 Thread marler

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Axalon Bloodstone wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Vincent Danen wrote:
> > On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Sheldon Lee Wen wrote:
> > > > Anyways, I installed and have only one problem with it right now (the
> > > > desktop icons seem to be broken)
> > > 
> > > Yeah. I've got the same problem.
> > 
> > Yeah, that's kinda annoying, but I don't usually use the desktop icons
> > anyways.  But it would be nice if they did actually work... =(
> 
> Elaborate, nothing wrong with mine..
> 
> 

Same here; my desktop icons are functioning no differently than
before. Before switching over to Helix, I renamed my old .gnome dir, and
let a new one be created -- maybe that had something to do with it.

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Re: [expert] HelixCode GNOME

2000-03-12 Thread Alexander Volovics


On 12-Mar-00 Sheldon Lee Wen wrote:

>> Has anyone tried out the HelixCode GNOME?  Wow!  I was (and still
>> am) severely impressed.
 
>> What is going to happen with Mandrake making use of this?  This should be
>> included in the base Mandrake distribution as a (IMHO) replacement for the
>> regular GNOME.

> I really hope that Mandrake includes these packages. Better if they make
> their own rpm's and put them on the update.

Even nicer would be if Mandrake enabled you to do an install EXCLUDING
everything belonging to KDE! Even the custom can't. 

Alexander



Re: [expert] HelixCode GNOME

2000-03-11 Thread Axalon Bloodstone

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Vincent Danen wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Axalon Bloodstone wrote:
> 
> > > > > Anyways, I installed and have only one problem with it right now (the
> > > > > desktop icons seem to be broken) but other than that it's
> > > > > incredible!  Really makes a difference!
> > > > 
> > > > Yeah. I've got the same problem.
> > > 
> > > Yeah, that's kinda annoying, but I don't usually use the desktop icons
> > > anyways.  But it would be nice if they did actually work... =(
> > 
> > Elaborate, nothing wrong with mine..
> 
> Well, you can't change the icon, for one thing.  Well, you can change it,
> but the change doesn't take...  all symlinks or exe's are the can thing
> with the (I dunno) bone(?) sticking out the bottom of it, and everything

It's a Piston from a combustion engine :)

> else is a piece of paper.  Application icons (ie. I had one before that
> would load vmware) don't work anymore (it's like it's not reading the info
> in the .desktop file).  For all intents and purposes, unless it's
> symlinked, the icon doesn't work and you can't change the icon look.
 
:/ can't reproduce that either/still  

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Re: [expert] HelixCode GNOME

2000-03-11 Thread Zulfiqar Naushad

Helix screwed up my Gnome very nicely!! :-)

Right now, I can't see the taskbar (the one with the foot on it).

Everything else seems fine.

Can anyone please help!!


Axalon Bloodstone wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Vincent Danen wrote:
> > On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Sheldon Lee Wen wrote:
> > > > Anyways, I installed and have only one problem with it right now (the
> > > > desktop icons seem to be broken) but other than that it's
> > > > incredible!  Really makes a difference!
> > >
> > > Yeah. I've got the same problem.
> >
> > Yeah, that's kinda annoying, but I don't usually use the desktop icons
> > anyways.  But it would be nice if they did actually work... =(
>
> Elaborate, nothing wrong with mine..
>
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Re: [expert] HelixCode GNOME

2000-03-11 Thread Vincent Danen

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Axalon Bloodstone wrote:

> > > > Anyways, I installed and have only one problem with it right now (the
> > > > desktop icons seem to be broken) but other than that it's
> > > > incredible!  Really makes a difference!
> > > 
> > > Yeah. I've got the same problem.
> > 
> > Yeah, that's kinda annoying, but I don't usually use the desktop icons
> > anyways.  But it would be nice if they did actually work... =(
> 
> Elaborate, nothing wrong with mine..

Well, you can't change the icon, for one thing.  Well, you can change it,
but the change doesn't take...  all symlinks or exe's are the can thing
with the (I dunno) bone(?) sticking out the bottom of it, and everything
else is a piece of paper.  Application icons (ie. I had one before that
would load vmware) don't work anymore (it's like it's not reading the info
in the .desktop file).  For all intents and purposes, unless it's
symlinked, the icon doesn't work and you can't change the icon look.

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Re: [expert] HelixCode GNOME

2000-03-11 Thread Axalon Bloodstone

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Vincent Danen wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Sheldon Lee Wen wrote:
> > > Anyways, I installed and have only one problem with it right now (the
> > > desktop icons seem to be broken) but other than that it's
> > > incredible!  Really makes a difference!
> > 
> > Yeah. I've got the same problem.
> 
> Yeah, that's kinda annoying, but I don't usually use the desktop icons
> anyways.  But it would be nice if they did actually work... =(

Elaborate, nothing wrong with mine..

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Re: [expert] HelixCode GNOME

2000-03-11 Thread Vincent Danen

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000, Sheldon Lee Wen wrote:

> > Has anyone tried out the HelixCode GNOME?  Wow!  I was (and still
> > am) severely impressed.
> 
> I tried it. At first I had problems but as soon as I deleted my
> old gnome and enlightenment dir's (and other related ones), it
> worked fine. I still get problems with it starting more than
> one panel. (BTW: I installed from rpm). Now that it mostly works I
> should say that it's a BIG step in the right direction. More of that
> and I might switch from KDE.

I installed it over-top of my existing GNOME (I use GNOME and Sawmill) and
it worked great.  I used to have a problem with it attempting to start
more than one instance of the same panel but not anymore.  I used the lynx
install script to get it going and it worked really well.  Since I don't
use (or particularly like KDE), this really made my day.  My wife uses KDE
and I'm betting she'll switch to GNOME now that it's a little more
intuitive.

> > What is going to happen with Mandrake making use of this?  This should be
> > included in the base Mandrake distribution as a (IMHO) replacement for the
> > regular GNOME.
> 
> I really hope that Mandrake includes these packages. Better if they make
> their own rpm's and put them on the update.

Yeah, or have a seperate directory and patch the Helix Installer to point
to their mirror's.  Maybe I'll fiddle and convert a few Helix RPMs to
Mandrake RPMs (I'd like to see how they differ from the
"standard" anyways).

> > Anyways, I installed and have only one problem with it right now (the
> > desktop icons seem to be broken) but other than that it's
> > incredible!  Really makes a difference!
> 
> Yeah. I've got the same problem.

Yeah, that's kinda annoying, but I don't usually use the desktop icons
anyways.  But it would be nice if they did actually work... =(

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Re: [expert] HelixCode GNOME

2000-03-11 Thread Sheldon Lee Wen

Vincent,

> Has anyone tried out the HelixCode GNOME?  Wow!  I was (and still
> am) severely impressed.

I tried it. At first I had problems but as soon as I deleted my
old gnome and enlightenment dir's (and other related ones), it
worked fine. I still get problems with it starting more than
one panel. (BTW: I installed from rpm). Now that it mostly works I
should say that it's a BIG step in the right direction. More of that
and I might switch from KDE.

> What is going to happen with Mandrake making use of this?  This should be
> included in the base Mandrake distribution as a (IMHO) replacement for the
> regular GNOME.

I really hope that Mandrake includes these packages. Better if they make
their own rpm's and put them on the update.

> Anyways, I installed and have only one problem with it right now (the
> desktop icons seem to be broken) but other than that it's
> incredible!  Really makes a difference!

Yeah. I've got the same problem.

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[expert] HelixCode GNOME

2000-03-11 Thread Vincent Danen

Has anyone tried out the HelixCode GNOME?  Wow!  I was (and still
am) severely impressed.

What is going to happen with Mandrake making use of this?  This should be
included in the base Mandrake distribution as a (IMHO) replacement for the
regular GNOME.

The GNOME packages that HelixCode uses, tho, are i386 RPMs.  Is Mandrake
just going to include the installer and go from there?  Or are they going
to rebuild all of the packages to i586 with the Mandrake optimization?  I
sure hope they do the later and instead of having the HelixCode installer
pointing to the HelixCode site and mirrors, point to the Mandrake site and
mirrors with a new ./helix directory or something for those helix updates
and whatnot.

Anyways, I installed and have only one problem with it right now (the
desktop icons seem to be broken) but other than that it's
incredible!  Really makes a difference!

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