Re: [expert] Mandrake in an ISP environment
Thanks to everyone who made great comments on the list and also to me directly. The BSD boxes are being retired, they are well past their prime and are struggling to keep up, so the new boxes will be running Linux. It does come down to what you are comfortable with in the long run. They all are the same under the hood, Mandrake, Red Hat, Suse, etc. The difference being what comes with them. Red Hat seems to be more of roll your own vs. Suse and Mandrake that do a wonderful job of giving you a system with all the bells and whistles! So, again, thank you. I will let you know how it goes! -Scott At 05:29 PM 7/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: Scott, Consider this move carefully. FreeBSD is more than just reliable. Like Linux it is a Unix clone, but instead of being designed to mimic minux it grew from ATT Unix. (not better or worse just different roots) I recently decommissioned a FreeBSD Firewall / file server in an office we closed that had 622 days uptime. The last time it had been rebooted was due to an extended power outage (2 days) due to an exploding power transformer (Lightning strike) in the neighborhood. In fact the last time the box had been accesed was 6 months ago to open a port on the Firewall for VNC routing. I love my Linux desktop. Over the years it's served me well and it has all the bells and Whistles I could desire. But if you've got FreeBSD working and running well why change. A friend of mine runs a server serving websites for about 30 organizations and e-mail to over 200 users . one box, for years it was running 2.2.1 BSD and he finally upgraded it when the hardware decided to crap out. (Mobo developed a crack in one of the power couplings and died. Unless you held it down just right) Any of the software running on the BSD box should be convertible to Linux just by compiling on a Linux box. (sometimes you can just move the binaries and it works) So at least 95% of the software should be an easy transfer. Otherwise I would recommend only switching to Linux if: 1. Your really need something and there is no way FreeBSD can offer it. 2. You are adding a new server and really want to run Linux. 3. Hardware is dieing and you are building a replacement box and you really want to run Linux. For the boxes that run and run well. Leaving well enough alone is my advice, since you aren't loosing security, reliability or choice. James PS hope no one takes offense but to me Open Source and Reliability are more important than brand on servers. Just don't expect me to run anything but Mandrake on my workstation except under gunpoint. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Mandrake in an ISP environment
Has anyone heard of or using Mandrake in an ISP environment? I have taken over operations for an ISP and the servers in place are running FreeBSD and I want to covert them over to Linux. I have been using Mandrake for home use, but have never used it in an heavy production environment. I scanned www.mandrakebizcases.com and did not see any ISP's. Thanks, -Scott Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake in an ISP environment
On Tuesday 02 July 2002 10:01 am, you wrote: Has anyone heard of or using Mandrake in an ISP environment? I have taken over operations for an ISP and the servers in place are running FreeBSD and I want to covert them over to Linux. I have been using Mandrake for home use, but have never used it in an heavy production environment. I scanned www.mandrakebizcases.com and did not see any ISP's. Thanks, -Scott We use Mandrake as an ISP and in production servers as well. Naive use is not recommended. You will have to do some tuning. Jim Tarvid Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake in an ISP environment
On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 10:01:41 -0400 Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] said with temporary authority Has anyone heard of or using Mandrake in an ISP environment? I have taken over operations for an ISP and the servers in place are running FreeBSD and I want to covert them over to Linux. I have been using Mandrake for home use, but have never used it in an heavy production environment. I scanned www.mandrakebizcases.com and did not see any ISP's. Thanks, -Scott Scott, Consider this move carefully. FreeBSD is more than just reliable. Like Linux it is a Unix clone, but instead of being designed to mimic minux it grew from ATT Unix. (not better or worse just different roots) I recently decommissioned a FreeBSD Firewall / file server in an office we closed that had 622 days uptime. The last time it had been rebooted was due to an extended power outage (2 days) due to an exploding power transformer (Lightning strike) in the neighborhood. In fact the last time the box had been accesed was 6 months ago to open a port on the Firewall for VNC routing. I love my Linux desktop. Over the years it's served me well and it has all the bells and Whistles I could desire. But if you've got FreeBSD working and running well why change. A friend of mine runs a server serving websites for about 30 organizations and e-mail to over 200 users . one box, for years it was running 2.2.1 BSD and he finally upgraded it when the hardware decided to crap out. (Mobo developed a crack in one of the power couplings and died. Unless you held it down just right) Any of the software running on the BSD box should be convertible to Linux just by compiling on a Linux box. (sometimes you can just move the binaries and it works) So at least 95% of the software should be an easy transfer. Otherwise I would recommend only switching to Linux if: 1. Your really need something and there is no way FreeBSD can offer it. 2. You are adding a new server and really want to run Linux. 3. Hardware is dieing and you are building a replacement box and you really want to run Linux. For the boxes that run and run well. Leaving well enough alone is my advice, since you aren't loosing security, reliability or choice. James PS hope no one takes offense but to me Open Source and Reliability are more important than brand on servers. Just don't expect me to run anything but Mandrake on my workstation except under gunpoint. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake in an ISP environment
I'm using Mandrake in an ISP as one of the main servers and as one of the backup servers. One is running 8.1, the other is just being configured now, and is loaded with 8.2. One of the reasons I like Mandrake, is that Apache comes pre-configured for servers with all the modules I need (Perl, PHP4, etc.). So far the 8.1 production machine has been great. I've had problems with it at all. -Bill Randle OutlawNet, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scott wrote: Has anyone heard of or using Mandrake in an ISP environment? I have taken over operations for an ISP and the servers in place are running FreeBSD and I want to covert them over to Linux. I have been using Mandrake for home use, but have never used it in an heavy production environment. I scanned www.mandrakebizcases.com and did not see any ISP's. Thanks, -Scott Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake in an ISP environment
On Tuesday 02 July 2002 09:02 am, you wrote: On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 10:01:41 -0400 Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] said with temporary authority Has anyone heard of or using Mandrake in an ISP environment? I have taken over operations for an ISP and the servers in place are running FreeBSD and I want to covert them over to Linux. I have been using Mandrake for home use, but have never used it in an heavy production environment. I scanned www.mandrakebizcases.com and did not see any ISP's. Thanks, -Scott Scott, Consider this move carefully. FreeBSD is more than just reliable. Like Linux it is a Unix clone, but instead of being designed to mimic minux it grew from ATT Unix. (not better or worse just different roots) I recently decommissioned a FreeBSD Firewall / file server in an office we closed that had 622 days uptime. The last time it had been rebooted was due to an extended power outage (2 days) due to an exploding power transformer (Lightning strike) in the neighborhood. In fact the last time the box had been accesed was 6 months ago to open a port on the Firewall for VNC routing. I love my Linux desktop. Over the years it's served me well and it has all the bells and Whistles I could desire. But if you've got FreeBSD working and running well why change. A friend of mine runs a server serving websites for about 30 organizations and e-mail to over 200 users . one box, for years it was running 2.2.1 BSD and he finally upgraded it when the hardware decided to crap out. (Mobo developed a crack in one of the power couplings and died. Unless you held it down just right) Any of the software running on the BSD box should be convertible to Linux just by compiling on a Linux box. (sometimes you can just move the binaries and it works) So at least 95% of the software should be an easy transfer. Otherwise I would recommend only switching to Linux if: 1. Your really need something and there is no way FreeBSD can offer it. 2. You are adding a new server and really want to run Linux. 3. Hardware is dieing and you are building a replacement box and you really want to run Linux. For the boxes that run and run well. Leaving well enough alone is my advice, since you aren't loosing security, reliability or choice. James PS hope no one takes offense but to me Open Source and Reliability are more important than brand on servers. Just don't expect me to run anything but Mandrake on my workstation except under gunpoint. I think I would add that as long as the bsd security was kept up to date.. same with an older version of MDK. the security updates are as important as hardware, in my opinion Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake in an ISP environment
On Tuesday 02 July 2002 05:29 pm, you wrote: On Tuesday 02 July 2002 09:02 am, you wrote: On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 10:01:41 -0400 Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] said with temporary authority Has anyone heard of or using Mandrake in an ISP environment? I have taken over operations for an ISP and the servers in place are running FreeBSD and I want to covert them over to Linux. I have been using Mandrake for home use, but have never used it in an heavy production environment. I scanned www.mandrakebizcases.com and did not see any ISP's. Thanks, -Scott Scott, Consider this move carefully. FreeBSD is more than just reliable. Like Linux it is a Unix clone, but instead of being designed to mimic minux it grew from ATT Unix. (not better or worse just different roots) I recently decommissioned a FreeBSD Firewall / file server in an office we closed that had 622 days uptime. The last time it had been rebooted was due to an extended power outage (2 days) due to an exploding power transformer (Lightning strike) in the neighborhood. In fact the last time the box had been accesed was 6 months ago to open a port on the Firewall for VNC routing. I love my Linux desktop. Over the years it's served me well and it has all the bells and Whistles I could desire. But if you've got FreeBSD working and running well why change. A friend of mine runs a server serving websites for about 30 organizations and e-mail to over 200 users . one box, for years it was running 2.2.1 BSD and he finally upgraded it when the hardware decided to crap out. (Mobo developed a crack in one of the power couplings and died. Unless you held it down just right) Any of the software running on the BSD box should be convertible to Linux just by compiling on a Linux box. (sometimes you can just move the binaries and it works) So at least 95% of the software should be an easy transfer. Otherwise I would recommend only switching to Linux if: 1. Your really need something and there is no way FreeBSD can offer it. 2. You are adding a new server and really want to run Linux. 3. Hardware is dieing and you are building a replacement box and you really want to run Linux. For the boxes that run and run well. Leaving well enough alone is my advice, since you aren't loosing security, reliability or choice. James PS hope no one takes offense but to me Open Source and Reliability are more important than brand on servers. Just don't expect me to run anything but Mandrake on my workstation except under gunpoint. I think I would add that as long as the bsd security was kept up to date.. same with an older version of MDK. the security updates are as important as hardware, in my opinion not to mention the netcraft survey showing Apache Advanced Extranet Server ie.; the one shipped with MDK, (I believe boxed exclusively but downloadable open source) has like the most new servers on the net for some time now correct me if I am wrong... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake in an ISP environment
On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Scott wrote: Has anyone heard of or using Mandrake in an ISP environment? I have taken over operations for an ISP and the servers in place are running FreeBSD and I want to covert them over to Linux. I have been using Mandrake for home use, but have never used it in an heavy production environment. I scanned www.mandrakebizcases.com and did not see any ISP's. Thanks, -Scott Scott, let me answer your question with another question. If you drove a chevy pickup truck for a while and then purchased a ford pickup truck of the same basic design and size would truck two be able to do the same work as truck one? If you plowed field one with a Massey-Furgeson tractor, and then a week later had to use a Catapiller to do field two would you still be able to get field two plowed? the answer is of course yes, and I don't mean to over simplify the question, nor do I wish to sound condecending. I merely wish to point out to you that *nix is *nix. FreeBSD, RedHat Linux, SuSE Linux, Mandrake Linux are all basically the same under the covers of the Xfree86 interface. It's all *nix and it's all good! they all use the same basic foundation for the filesystem; they all make use of the make Unix syhstem tools. on and on and on. If redhat can do it SuSE can do it, and if SuSE can do it Mandrake can do it. ya get my drift. the only real difference between the distros is the X interface, the collection of X packages included that make the distro unique from the others. apart from that they're all Linux and they're all good. as for could Mandrake work in an ISP environment?...do you really want to be to take the time to list all the ISP's that I know that use one of the above mentioned flavors of Linux to serve their customers? I hope not cause I'm writing this message at work and I've got a few more things I need to get done before I leave for the day. as an aside, I've got two servers running here at work running Mandrake. One does webserver/mailserver/database server duties as well as ftp service. the other is a back up server for the snap server we've got running on the network. AT my home I've got Mandrake runing on a very busy network taking care of file server/mail server/ftp server/ webserver/MySQL server/and firewall gateway all being done on an AMD K6-233 hooked up to a cable modem. It does beautifully. Were it not for the occasional T-storms taking out the power, or the wife blowing a breaker now and then vacuuming this machine would never experience any downtime. so...yeah. I'd say its a pretty safe bet to use Mandrake in an ISP environent. -- daRmaTTeR R L U: #186492 When ever people annoy me I remember, Vengence is mine saith the Lord. My prayer is, ...here am I Lord...send me! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
