Re: [expert] Mandrake releases bug fixes for MDK 9.2
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:20:29 -0400 Glenn Burkhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 17:20, James Conner wrote: For those on the MDK security mailing list you will already know. For those that aren't, check the archives(it's too large to repost here). These updates fix quite a few of the bugs that have been troubling people lately. Glad to see that Mandrake is on top of this to release patches. Granted, it would have been nice to have flawless, bug-free release. :) Jim I've just looked at the update page, and I'm shocked to see how many packages are affected by MDKA-2003:020 (about 60!!). That's got to be a new record for a new release. For this many packages, and the severity of some of the bugs, Mandrake would be wise to include these new packages in their boxed sets, if they want folks to buy 9.3, or whatever the next release is. It's bad enough that over 300mb of fixes were posted against 9.1. This looks like a QA breakdown. It won't happen on the boxed sets, they have already been sent to press. I am hoping however that the download edition, when release to the rest of the world on mirors will include updated RPM's. This possibility has only come about because of the policy of releasing it on Mandrake Club first. It means that the faithfull that know how to update already, can update, and those that are new to Mandrake will get the shinier product. -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake releases bug fixes for MDK 9.2
On Saturday 25 October 2003 08:53 am, Michael Adams wrote: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:20:29 -0400 Glenn Burkhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 17:20, James Conner wrote: For those on the MDK security mailing list you will already know. For those that aren't, check the archives(it's too large to repost here). These updates fix quite a few of the bugs that have been troubling people lately. Glad to see that Mandrake is on top of this to release patches. Granted, it would have been nice to have flawless, bug-free release. :) Jim I've just looked at the update page, and I'm shocked to see how many packages are affected by MDKA-2003:020 (about 60!!). That's got to be a new record for a new release. For this many packages, and the severity of some of the bugs, Mandrake would be wise to include these new packages in their boxed sets, if they want folks to buy 9.3, or whatever the next release is. It's bad enough that over 300mb of fixes were posted against 9.1. This looks like a QA breakdown. It won't happen on the boxed sets, they have already been sent to press. I am hoping however that the download edition, when release to the rest of the world on mirors will include updated RPM's. This possibility has only come about because of the policy of releasing it on Mandrake Club first. It means that the faithfull that know how to update already, can update, and those that are new to Mandrake will get the shinier product. It's really not so bad if the download editions serve as a final, if unintentional, QA before the boxed sets. Especially if the feedback is immediately acted upon. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake releases bug fixes for MDK 9.2
On Saturday 25 October 2003 01:27 am, James Sparenberg wrote: OK Since Greg did such a clear job of stating the problem and a work around above, I just used his words, to submit a bug report. It's number #30 if anyone here would care/be so kind as to add to it. James Where was the bug report submitted? Presumably not to the cooker bugzilla... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake releases bug fixes for MDK 9.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 25, 2003 08:31 am, Glenn Burkhardt wrote: On Saturday 25 October 2003 01:27 am, James Sparenberg wrote: OK Since Greg did such a clear job of stating the problem and a work around above, I just used his words, to submit a bug report. It's number #30 if anyone here would care/be so kind as to add to it. James Where was the bug report submitted? Presumably not to the cooker bugzilla... Vincent has set up an Anthill. http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/ HTH Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-18mdk 12:11:32 up 1 day, 22:48, 1 user, load average: 0.74, 0.50, 0.52 A little inaccuracy saves a world of explanation. -- C.E. Ayres -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/mr0OG11CaRuZZSIRAvPeAKClnv7qKQYyv5MEvoUHySYjwtjNvQCgkZY6 XWDSh+G9fuvVks2nqN9yMQw= =4z/O -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake releases bug fixes for MDK 9.2
On Friday 24 October 2003 02:10 am, James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 17:20, James Conner wrote: For those on the MDK security mailing list you will already know. For those that aren't, check the archives(it's too large to repost here). These updates fix quite a few of the bugs that have been troubling people lately. Glad to see that Mandrake is on top of this to release patches. Granted, it would have been nice to have flawless, bug-free release. :) Jim Jim, The only bug free software is software which no one is using any more. The rest is software for which the bugs haven't been found (of course this depends on your definition of bug.) James I agree, I was being sarcastic. I just installed MDK 9.2 on a friends system, I'll do it on mine after I back everything up. Everything went peachy, only lost the menu's once. That bug/feature was fixed with these patches. Seems quite nice. Now we just got to install all of plf's stuff and contribs, plus configure a few apps. Jim -- 1:01am up 36 days, 18:01, 3 users, load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00 Running Mandrake 9.0 - Linux - because life is too short for reboots... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake releases bug fixes for MDK 9.2
On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 17:20, James Conner wrote: For those on the MDK security mailing list you will already know. For those that aren't, check the archives(it's too large to repost here). These updates fix quite a few of the bugs that have been troubling people lately. Glad to see that Mandrake is on top of this to release patches. Granted, it would have been nice to have flawless, bug-free release. :) Jim I've just looked at the update page, and I'm shocked to see how many packages are affected by MDKA-2003:020 (about 60!!). That's got to be a new record for a new release. For this many packages, and the severity of some of the bugs, Mandrake would be wise to include these new packages in their boxed sets, if they want folks to buy 9.3, or whatever the next release is. It's bad enough that over 300mb of fixes were posted against 9.1. This looks like a QA breakdown. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake releases bug fixes for MDK 9.2
On Friday 24 Oct 2003 1:20 pm, Glenn Burkhardt wrote: It's bad enough that over 300mb of fixes were posted against 9.1. This is an attitude I just can't buy. It's not 'bad enough' - they could always do what M$ does, and not release fixes. Would that suit you better? How many millions of combinations of hardware and software do you think that Mandrake is running one? Could *you* test them all, to the full? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake releases bug fixes for MDK 9.2
On Friday 24 October 2003 08:27 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 24 Oct 2003 1:20 pm, Glenn Burkhardt wrote: It's bad enough that over 300mb of fixes were posted against 9.1. This is an attitude I just can't buy. It's not 'bad enough' - they could always do what M$ does, and not release fixes. Would that suit you better? How many millions of combinations of hardware and software do you think that Mandrake is running one? Could *you* test them all, to the full? Anne I apologize for and withdraw that bad example. Most of the updates for 9.1 were security bug fixes, for which I am grateful. But very few were related to particular platform combinations. And from the look of the bug list for the 9.2 updates, only a couple were platform related. I'm glad they've caught them, and still hope that the boxed sets include the fixes (for their sake, since I like Mandrake, and hope to see them continue). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake releases bug fixes for MDK 9.2
James Conner wrote: On Friday 24 October 2003 02:10 am, James Sparenberg wrote: I agree, I was being sarcastic. I just installed MDK 9.2 on a friends system, I'll do it on mine after I back everything up. Everything went peachy, only lost the menu's once. That bug/feature was fixed with these patches. Seems quite nice. Now we just got to install all of plf's stuff and contribs, plus configure a few apps. I don't think the disappearing menu 'feature' was fixed since I lost my menu couple of times on two different machines since applying the patches. Avi Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake releases bug fixes for MDK 9.2
On Friday 24 October 2003 09:19 am, Avi Schwartz wrote: James Conner wrote: On Friday 24 October 2003 02:10 am, James Sparenberg wrote: I agree, I was being sarcastic. I just installed MDK 9.2 on a friends system, I'll do it on mine after I back everything up. Everything went peachy, only lost the menu's once. That bug/feature was fixed with these patches. Seems quite nice. Now we just got to install all of plf's stuff and contribs, plus configure a few apps. I don't think the disappearing menu 'feature' was fixed since I lost my menu couple of times on two different machines since applying the patches. Avi What exactly is the disappearing menu 'feature' ?? Thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake releases bug fixes for MDK 9.2
On Friday 24 October 2003 09:38 am, Glenn Burkhardt wrote: On Friday 24 October 2003 09:19 am, Avi Schwartz wrote: James Conner wrote: On Friday 24 October 2003 02:10 am, James Sparenberg wrote: I agree, I was being sarcastic. I just installed MDK 9.2 on a friends system, I'll do it on mine after I back everything up. Everything went peachy, only lost the menu's once. That bug/feature was fixed with these patches. Seems quite nice. Now we just got to install all of plf's stuff and contribs, plus configure a few apps. I don't think the disappearing menu 'feature' was fixed since I lost my menu couple of times on two different machines since applying the patches. Avi What exactly is the disappearing menu 'feature' ?? Thanks. There is a bug in the version of rpm that shipped with 9.2 that causes the rpm database to remain locked for a longer period of time. This causes a problem for a postinstall script within a package that tries to update the menus. Because the database is locked, the postinstall script cannot retrieve the package names from the database, so the menu is not populated with any entries. This is easily fixed by the user by running the update-menus script from a console as root user. # update-menus -v -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake releases bug fixes for MDK 9.2
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:20:29 -0400, Glenn Burkhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just looked at the update page, and I'm shocked to see how many packages are affected by MDKA-2003:020 (about 60!!). That's got to be a new record for a new release. Yeah that's sure is an impressive number !! Reminds me of where I work - test, test, test, test, install to production, fail. Like clockwork . . . I feel their pain ;-) Phil -- Using Mandrake Linux 9.1 www.mandrakesoft.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake releases bug fixes for MDK 9.2
On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 06:19, Avi Schwartz wrote: James Conner wrote: On Friday 24 October 2003 02:10 am, James Sparenberg wrote: I agree, I was being sarcastic. I just installed MDK 9.2 on a friends system, I'll do it on mine after I back everything up. Everything went peachy, only lost the menu's once. That bug/feature was fixed with these patches. Seems quite nice. Now we just got to install all of plf's stuff and contribs, plus configure a few apps. I don't think the disappearing menu 'feature' was fixed since I lost my menu couple of times on two different machines since applying the patches. Avi I know I'm beginning to sound a bit like Anne concerning the TWiki (Anne this is meant in jest.) But could you please submit a bug report. Now that we have bugs.mandrakelinux.com please (pretty please) submit the report. If we don't then the developers will either think; 1. The release is bug free. 2. That we the users don't care. Sorry to be a harpy here but since they have given us a voice I really want us to be heard. With this release I've seen more evidence than ever of MDK listening to users and I'd like to expand that dialog if at all possible. Thanks. If you do / have submitted one I'd request that you let the list know the bug and bug number so that others who have the same problem can add info. This way the bugs that are relevant to us, are the first ones fixed (after security holes that is.) Myself, since I don't yet have this problem I can't submit the bug. I don't know what it is. :) James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake releases bug fixes for MDK 9.2
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:56:47 -0700 James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribed on electronic parchment: On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 06:19, Avi Schwartz wrote: James Conner wrote: On Friday 24 October 2003 02:10 am, James Sparenberg wrote: I agree, I was being sarcastic. I just installed MDK 9.2 on a friends system, I'll do it on mine after I back everything up. Everything went peachy, only lost the menu's once. That bug/feature was fixed I don't think the disappearing menu 'feature' was fixed since I lost my menu couple of times on two different machines since applying the Avi I know I'm beginning to sound a bit like Anne concerning the TWiki (Anne this is meant in jest.) But could you please submit a bug report. Now that we have bugs.mandrakelinux.com please (pretty please) submit the report. If we don't then the developers will either think; 1. The release is bug free. 2. That we the users don't care. Sorry to be a harpy here but since they have given us a voice I really want us to be heard. With this release I've seen more evidence than ever of MDK listening to users and I'd like to expand that dialog if at all possible. Thanks. If you do / have submitted one I'd request that you let the list know the bug and bug number so that others who have the same problem can add info. This way the bugs that are relevant to us, are the first ones fixed (after security holes that is.) Myself, since I don't yet have this problem I can't submit the bug. I don't know what it is. :) I agree completely; if we do not use the opportunity to report bugs, they will not pay attention to it, or our requests for similar things in the future. OTOH, not to worry about missing menus, kde terminals missing or kde components missing, they are getting beaten up pretty bad over there about this and a few issues, I doubt they will miss them. :-(( Yes, report bugs, and add comments about found bugs to help identify and substantiate their existance. I have not seen another distro in the last 10 years that has given that kind of opportunity to interact with the developers as this. One more reason I'll stay with Mandrake. Tim -- I often read this forum on my PDA, please use plain text! _ ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML e-mail x registered Linux user # 329428 / \ GnuPG KeyID 6B5A70DF www.keyserver.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake releases bug fixes for MDK 9.2
On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 07:08, Greg Meyer wrote: On Friday 24 October 2003 09:38 am, Glenn Burkhardt wrote: On Friday 24 October 2003 09:19 am, Avi Schwartz wrote: James Conner wrote: On Friday 24 October 2003 02:10 am, James Sparenberg wrote: I agree, I was being sarcastic. I just installed MDK 9.2 on a friends system, I'll do it on mine after I back everything up. Everything went peachy, only lost the menu's once. That bug/feature was fixed with these patches. Seems quite nice. Now we just got to install all of plf's stuff and contribs, plus configure a few apps. I don't think the disappearing menu 'feature' was fixed since I lost my menu couple of times on two different machines since applying the patches. Avi What exactly is the disappearing menu 'feature' ?? Thanks. There is a bug in the version of rpm that shipped with 9.2 that causes the rpm database to remain locked for a longer period of time. This causes a problem for a postinstall script within a package that tries to update the menus. Because the database is locked, the postinstall script cannot retrieve the package names from the database, so the menu is not populated with any entries. This is easily fixed by the user by running the update-menus script from a console as root user. # update-menus -v OK Since Greg did such a clear job of stating the problem and a work around above, I just used his words, to submit a bug report. It's number #30 if anyone here would care/be so kind as to add to it. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake releases bug fixes for MDK 9.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tim Sawchuck wrote: My morning urpmi update on my 9.2 Cooker box had a TON of stuff (I don't use Gnome or KDE, just fluxbox) and I thought something was wrong.:-) Too many updates, can't be right - took me two more cups of coffee before I had the guts to say Yes to the update! Then they broke my libvorbis, and I had to downgrade that and vorbis-tools. Kinda like the pile-o-stuff Redmond sent out last week, and then again this week. Damn. Michael Adams wrote: I'm wondering if the ISO's will be redone before the public release? That is a real problem. Ever install, get your dial-up working, and have to spend the next few nights downloading updates? I have. I have faster speeds and local mirrors here now, thank goodness. - -- KevinO If Microsoft built cars, If you were involved in a crash, you would have no idea what happened. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/l476WOfRC7Rnmv8RAkbcAJ97997p8z/BN0Wld+kDRr7EWwP5eQCffwV5 xgPQwKBuxZ6QaeA0myGYiPU= =glCe -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake releases bug fixes for MDK 9.2
On Thursday 23 October 2003 01:53 am, Michael Adams wrote: On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:20:17 + James Conner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those on the MDK security mailing list you will already know. For those that aren't, check the archives(it's too large to repost here). These updates fix quite a few of the bugs that have been troubling people lately. Glad to see that Mandrake is on top of this to release patches. Granted, it would have been nice to have flawless, bug-free release. :) Jim -- I'm wondering if the ISO's will be redone before the public release? That would be extremely nice, but probably not likely. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake releases bug fixes for MDK 9.2
On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 17:20, James Conner wrote: For those on the MDK security mailing list you will already know. For those that aren't, check the archives(it's too large to repost here). These updates fix quite a few of the bugs that have been troubling people lately. Glad to see that Mandrake is on top of this to release patches. Granted, it would have been nice to have flawless, bug-free release. :) Jim Jim, The only bug free software is software which no one is using any more. The rest is software for which the bugs haven't been found (of course this depends on your definition of bug.) James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Mandrake releases bug fixes for MDK 9.2
For those on the MDK security mailing list you will already know. For those that aren't, check the archives(it's too large to repost here). These updates fix quite a few of the bugs that have been troubling people lately. Glad to see that Mandrake is on top of this to release patches. Granted, it would have been nice to have flawless, bug-free release. :) Jim -- 12:01am up 35 days, 17:01, 3 users, load average: 0.03, 0.05, 0.01 Running Mandrake 9.0 - Linux - because life is too short for reboots... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake releases bug fixes for MDK 9.2
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:20:17 + James Conner [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribed on electronic parchment: For those on the MDK security mailing list you will already know. For those that aren't, check the archives(it's too large to repost here). These updates fix quite a few of the bugs that have been troubling people lately. Glad to see that Mandrake is on top of this to release patches. Granted, it would have been nice to have flawless, bug-free release. :) They were on the mirrors this morning at 6am PDT even before the message came through on ChangeLog. My morning urpmi update on my 9.2 Cooker box had a TON of stuff (I don't use Gnome or KDE, just fluxbox) and I thought something was wrong.:-) Too many updates, can't be right - took me two more cups of coffee before I had the guts to say Yes to the update! Then they broke my libvorbis, and I had to downgrade that and vorbis-tools. But I'm fearless - I make nightly backups! whe Tim -- I often read this forum on my PDA, please use plain text! _ ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML e-mail x registered Linux user # 329428 / \ GnuPG KeyID 6B5A70DF www.keyserver.net pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Mandrake releases bug fixes for MDK 9.2
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:20:17 + James Conner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those on the MDK security mailing list you will already know. For those that aren't, check the archives(it's too large to repost here). These updates fix quite a few of the bugs that have been troubling people lately. Glad to see that Mandrake is on top of this to release patches. Granted, it would have been nice to have flawless, bug-free release. :) Jim -- I'm wondering if the ISO's will be redone before the public release? -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
