Re: [expert] Mdk 9.1 & Pentium 4
On Sunday August 24 2003 07:16 pm, Philip Webb wrote: > that's what i bought: a Barton 2500+ & a Soyo Dragon KT400 Ultra > Black mobo. unfortunately, i ran into an obscure incompatibility > between these items & my 8x AGP card when i tried to run with FSB > = 166 MHz . a lengthy e-correspondence with Greg Meyer & Soyo > support led me to return the mobo for attention & the latest news > via the dealer is that these mobos have been recalled by Soyo & > wb replaced. so i'm currently on hold, which doesn't matter a > lot, > as my present box has stopped making painful noises (one of > Murphy's laws) & i'm not intending to migrate anyway till Mdk 9.2 > comes out next month. > > any other thoughts or comments are welcome. I was on the fence, needin to upgrade. The 2500+ thru the 3200+ is the same core, sorted for sale. Intel does the same thing. If you don't mind the extra bucks, the higher sorted chips have the better ns rated L (1 & 2) cache parts. Soyo boards are excellent, never a discouraging word from me. But the current champ for high end XP's is Aopen, kt400a (kt600) chipset, AMD recommended (as is Soyo, but they don't have a kt400_a_). 'Not a puff, I bought it', it's the BEST' comment. IME, with VIA chipsets ..always wait for the 'a' version. Also IME, stay away from SiS or nForce* chipsets for Linux (jus read the LKML, _not_ Net windoze hardware site reviews). BTW, my old board was a Soyo k7vta pro, the board before it, a Soyo 6ba +III. I'm a Soyo fan. OTOH, before Soyo, I used an Aopen, now a... Aopen AK77-400 Max, XP 3000+ overclocked to 3400+? (2288mhz), cheap Kingston 512 MB ram at CL2.5, R/C 2, preCH 2, 2-bank (way over it's CL3-3-3, bank disabled specs), bios reports DDR419. Runs memtest86 til the cows come home, an L-cache 13,900mb/s, ram at 708mb/s. mprime-17, cpuburn's 'burnK7' can't kill it either. Runnin current cooker (9.2 RC1). Vcore 1.75, AGP and IO volts are also +.10v bios adjusted and rock solid steady. My point is tho, it all has to work together, includin the keyboard, mouse chair. Configuration is as important as the actual hardware. Look above, I seek the 'sweet spot' for what I've got. The cpu will clock to 2.4 ghz, the ram won't, but it does better than the damn nVidia card will. My limiting factor jus' now is my Abit nVidia junk. But, it can be configured/mitigated to a minor factor in bios. The same holds true even if you don't overclock. AGP, much less AGP 8x is a kludge. It's a PCI 2 spec with hyped up marketing terminology for DirectX Winblows users. Still runs on the old tired PCI 33mhz bus. Set your aperature to 4 to effectively disable sidebanding, bios and XFree to 1x (ie, minus kludges), an avoid the cruel marketing gimmicks for winsux users to spare yourself the grief. OTOH, I already had/have a tried an true Sparkle (AMD app'vd PSU). Don't blame Soyo, you could very well have a substandard power supply. You do monitor voltages for accuracy an steadiness, right? An coolin? Fancy cpu coolers are for the kiddies, jus keep the case at room temp an a generic cpu hs/fan will do jus' fine. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mdk 9.1 & Pentium 4
030823 dfox wrote: > Somebody scribbled about [expert] Mdk 9.1 & Pentium 4 that was me, a couple of months ago ... (puzzled look). >> painful noises in the box, a 3-yr-old CPU (Celeron 466) & extra income >> have brought me to the point of looking at buying a faster CPU >> & an associated motherboard & upto-date memory. > I still think athlon is a better choice. that's what i bought: a Barton 2500+ & a Soyo Dragon KT400 Ultra Black mobo. unfortunately, i ran into an obscure incompatibility between these items & my 8x AGP card when i tried to run with FSB = 166 MHz . a lengthy e-correspondence with Greg Meyer & Soyo support led me to return the mobo for attention & the latest news via the dealer is that these mobos have been recalled by Soyo & wb replaced. so i'm currently on hold, which doesn't matter a lot, as my present box has stopped making painful noises (one of Murphy's laws) & i'm not intending to migrate anyway till Mdk 9.2 comes out next month. any other thoughts or comments are welcome. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mdk 9.1 & Pentium 4
> But I got to thinking about this particular p4 and his comment about > 'hyperthreading' - apparently the hw divvies up the cpu into two cpus and > he would have to reinstall the os to get it to work. I'm kinda curious to > see what a linux kernel would see -- one or two cpus? A friend of mine runs an SuSE 8.? on an 2.66ghz P4 with HT and 'hyperthreading' was detected automatically while the installation...so it shows 2 cpus to him Friedrich Preuß Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mdk 9.1 & Pentium 4
Somebody scribbled about [expert] Mdk 9.1 & Pentium 4 >painful noises in the box, a 3-yr-old CPU (Celeron 466) & extra income > (grin) have brought me to the point of looking at buying a faster CPU >& an associated motherboard & upto-date memory. however, I still think athlon is a better choice. But for what it is worth my brother (still a windows user) upgraded to a 3.0 gig pentium 4. (His first cpu overheated and he has cooling issues .. i sent him mprime info.) But I got to thinking about this particular p4 and his comment about 'hyperthreading' - apparently the hw divvies up the cpu into two cpus and he would have to reinstall the os to get it to work. I'm kinda curious to see what a linux kernel would see -- one or two cpus? -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mdk 9.1 & Pentium 4
On Tuesday 10 June 2003 03:38 pm, Philip Webb wrote: > so i will look seriously at the AMD processors, > but neither of you said what version you use. > under 'Athlon XP 333 MHz FSB' (at my favorite local store (no know Linux)) > i see '2500+ Barton 512K L2 cache' at a good price; > under '266 MHZ' there's '2400+' (no cache size) slightly cheaper. > do these = 2.4 - 2.5 GHz a la Intel? will they work with Mdk 9.1 ? > i have a price limit, but usability is the crucial determinant. > > any further thoughts? anyone else have experience which might help? Sorry for the late response Phil, but I just now saw your post. You should have no problem with either as long as your motherboard supports it. I'd get the Barton (newer core). These processors you mention should run pretty close to the Intel 2.4-2.5 GHz processors. Yes they will work with mdk. If you wnet with a 2500+ on a KT400 based board, you will get good support in 9.1. If you were to go nforce2, you will have a few problems unless you install the binary drivers available directly from nVidia. -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mdk 9.1 & Pentium 4
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:38 pm, Philip Webb sent this :- > so i will look seriously at the AMD processors, > but neither of you said what version you use. > under 'Athlon XP 333 MHz FSB' (at my favorite local store (no know Linux)) I wasn't going to post because it only reinforces AMD and this stuff is a bit old now, but AMD Athlon 1600+ on a Gigabyte GA-7DXR motherboard. Never a hitch, sweet as a berry. Its my test bench machine. The other AMD Athlon 1800+ Gigabyte GA-7VKML motherboard, never a problem, as you can see, when on a good thing sticking to it. Both are dual boot machines. The technology is a bit dated, but it is sound as a bell. I would not move away from AMD or Gigabyte. Very fast and very clean. Charlie. -- In a grove of tall bamboos Beside an ancient temple Steam rolls from the brazier In fragrant white clouds; I show you the path of Sages Beyond this floating world, But will you understand The lasting taste of spring? - Baisao (1675-1763) This email is guaranteed to be wholly Linux Mandrake 9.0, Kmail v1.4.3 and OpenOffice.org1.0.3 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mdk 9.1 & Pentium 4
030609 Robert Crawford wrote: > I second Greg's fine advice - Linux hardware compatibily & stability > is generally one generation behind. > And, I always recommend AMD over Intel for both value and performance. > I've got two VIA kt333 boards, an ABIT, and an MSI, > with Athlon xp thoroughbred "B" cpus, > and both have been flawless performers with Linux. thanx to you both. the advice i hear is (1) buy AMD (2) get 1 generation behind current ( c 6 mth back), (3) buy AMD (grin). i've heard re AMD before & it's probably like my own responses: "KDE? why don't you use Xfce! KMail? why don't you use Mutt!" so i will look seriously at the AMD processors, but neither of you said what version you use. under 'Athlon XP 333 MHz FSB' (at my favorite local store (no know Linux)) i see '2500+ Barton 512K L2 cache' at a good price; under '266 MHZ' there's '2400+' (no cache size) slightly cheaper. do these = 2.4 - 2.5 GHz a la Intel? will they work with Mdk 9.1 ? i have a price limit, but usability is the crucial determinant. any further thoughts? anyone else have experience which might help? > Monday 09 June 2003 19:50, Greg Meyer wrote: >> That's one of the problems with running bleeding edge hardware on Linux. >> I don't think you'll ever see immediate support for these new chipsets. >> Same thing happened to me with my KT400 board. >> 9.0 had problems with it, but 9.1 works awesome. >> It's gonna take one release cycle for the kernel to catch up >> Intel are too expensive & they don't support Linux like they shd. >>> i intend to re-use my present HDD (Quantum Fireball, 7200 rpm , 15 GB ), >>> which has dual-boot Mdk 9.0rc1 & Win98 systems (the latter rarely used); >>> also the AOpen GeForce2 graphics card & the PPPoE card for broadband. >>> i have downloaded Mdk 9.1 , in case i need to re-install on the new box >>> & anyway to install in the near future even if all goes well. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mdk 9.1 & Pentium 4
I second Greg's fine advice- Linux hardware compatibily an stability is generally one generation behind. And, I always recommend AMD over Intel for both value and performance. I've got two VIA kt333 boards, an ABIT, and an MSI, with Athlon xp thoroughbred "B" cpus, and both have been flawless performers with Linux. The only problems I've ever had were self-inflicted. Robert Crawford n Monday 09 June 2003 19:50, Greg Meyer wrote: > On Monday 09 June 2003 05:58 pm, Philip Webb wrote: > > painful noises in the box, a 3-yr-old CPU (Celeron 466) & extra income > > (grin) have brought me to the point of looking at buying a faster CPU > > & an associated motherboard & upto-date memory. however, > > Mandrake's & Redhat's compatibility listings offer little advice > > & a review of the latest Pentium + m/board is slightly disturbing: > > http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/16/1610236&mode=thread > > . > > That's one of the problems with running bleeding edge hardware on Linux. I > don't think you'll ever see immediate support for these new chipsets. Same > thing happened to me with my KT400 board. 9.0 had problems with it, but > 9.1 works awesome. It;s gonna take one release cycle for the kernel to > catch up > > > the current choice is: > > > > (1) Pentium 4 , 2.4 GHz , 533 MHz FSB + > > ASUS P4SDX , 400/533 MHz FSB , dual-channel DDR333 memory , AGP 8x + > > PC-2700 DDR333 memory ( 2 x 256 MB ) ; > > > > (2) Pentium 4 , 2.4 GHz , 800 MHz FSB + > > ASUS P4P800-DLX , 800 MHz FSB , dual-channel DDR400 memory , AGP 8x > > + KingMax PC-3200 DDR400 memory ( 2 x 256 MB ) . > > No Intel for me man. Too expensive and they don't support Linux like they > should. Did you hear about the centrino crap. They basically said they > were building drivers but they wouldn't release becuse there was no demand. > How the fsck do they know there is no demand before the thing comes out. > I personally smell MS all over that one. > > > i intend to re-use my present HDD (Quantum Fireball, 7200 rpm , 15 GB ), > > which has dual-boot Mdk 9.0rc1 & Win98 systems (the latter rarely used); > > also the AOpen GeForce2 graphics card & the PPPoE card for broadband. > > i have downloaded Mdk 9.1 , in case i need to re-install on the new box > > & anyway to install in the near future even if all goes well. > > I just got a new Hitachi 180GXP on a trade-in for a failed IBM 60GXP and it > is 25% faster than the old one, and the difference was very noticeable. I > think you'll notice far more difference in speed from having a faster hard > drive than you will from having a faster processor. > > > my worry is that even Mdk 9.1 won't boot on the new hardware. > > i realise the hardware above mb overkill, as i don't do sound or video > > & the CPU weight of KDE is not an everyday problem, as i use Xfce. > > however, i'm not a h/ware junkie & want something which will last 3 - 5 > > yrs & i do compile programs from time to time & other CPU-intensive > > tasks. > > > > does anyone have any experience to share or problems to warn about? > > You could do what I did with my KT400. I bought before 9.1 came out even > though I knew it didn't work on 9.0 because I wanted to test the 9.1 betas > on it and make sure 9.1 worked properly. Buy it, help test Cooker and 9.2 > during beta and don't plan on actually using it until 9.2 comes out. > You'll have a much better chance to make sure it works well by doing that. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mdk 9.1 & Pentium 4
On Monday 09 June 2003 05:58 pm, Philip Webb wrote: > painful noises in the box, a 3-yr-old CPU (Celeron 466) & extra income > (grin) have brought me to the point of looking at buying a faster CPU > & an associated motherboard & upto-date memory. however, > Mandrake's & Redhat's compatibility listings offer little advice > & a review of the latest Pentium + m/board is slightly disturbing: > http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/16/1610236&mode=thread . > That's one of the problems with running bleeding edge hardware on Linux. I don't think you'll ever see immediate support for these new chipsets. Same thing happened to me with my KT400 board. 9.0 had problems with it, but 9.1 works awesome. It;s gonna take one release cycle for the kernel to catch up > the current choice is: > > (1) Pentium 4 , 2.4 GHz , 533 MHz FSB + > ASUS P4SDX , 400/533 MHz FSB , dual-channel DDR333 memory , AGP 8x + > PC-2700 DDR333 memory ( 2 x 256 MB ) ; > > (2) Pentium 4 , 2.4 GHz , 800 MHz FSB + > ASUS P4P800-DLX , 800 MHz FSB , dual-channel DDR400 memory , AGP 8x + > KingMax PC-3200 DDR400 memory ( 2 x 256 MB ) . > No Intel for me man. Too expensive and they don't support Linux like they should. Did you hear about the centrino crap. They basically said they were building drivers but they wouldn't release becuse there was no demand. How the fsck do they know there is no demand before the thing comes out. I personally smell MS all over that one. > i intend to re-use my present HDD (Quantum Fireball, 7200 rpm , 15 GB ), > which has dual-boot Mdk 9.0rc1 & Win98 systems (the latter rarely used); > also the AOpen GeForce2 graphics card & the PPPoE card for broadband. > i have downloaded Mdk 9.1 , in case i need to re-install on the new box > & anyway to install in the near future even if all goes well. > I just got a new Hitachi 180GXP on a trade-in for a failed IBM 60GXP and it is 25% faster than the old one, and the difference was very noticeable. I think you'll notice far more difference in speed from having a faster hard drive than you will from having a faster processor. > my worry is that even Mdk 9.1 won't boot on the new hardware. > i realise the hardware above mb overkill, as i don't do sound or video > & the CPU weight of KDE is not an everyday problem, as i use Xfce. > however, i'm not a h/ware junkie & want something which will last 3 - 5 yrs > & i do compile programs from time to time & other CPU-intensive tasks. > > does anyone have any experience to share or problems to warn about? You could do what I did with my KT400. I bought before 9.1 came out even though I knew it didn't work on 9.0 because I wanted to test the 9.1 betas on it and make sure 9.1 worked properly. Buy it, help test Cooker and 9.2 during beta and don't plan on actually using it until 9.2 comes out. You'll have a much better chance to make sure it works well by doing that. -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mdk 9.1 & Pentium 4
I make my choices based on market price -- I'm not willing to spend more than $100 on any component except RAM, so I put together a system based on the best quality I can get. Whatever leftover budget there is goes into RAM, because you can never have too much. On Mon, 2003-06-09 at 14:58, Philip Webb wrote: > painful noises in the box, a 3-yr-old CPU (Celeron 466) & extra income (grin) > have brought me to the point of looking at buying a faster CPU > & an associated motherboard & upto-date memory. however, > Mandrake's & Redhat's compatibility listings offer little advice > & a review of the latest Pentium + m/board is slightly disturbing: > http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/16/1610236&mode=thread . > > the current choice is: > > (1) Pentium 4 , 2.4 GHz , 533 MHz FSB + > ASUS P4SDX , 400/533 MHz FSB , dual-channel DDR333 memory , AGP 8x + > PC-2700 DDR333 memory ( 2 x 256 MB ) ; > > (2) Pentium 4 , 2.4 GHz , 800 MHz FSB + > ASUS P4P800-DLX , 800 MHz FSB , dual-channel DDR400 memory , AGP 8x + > KingMax PC-3200 DDR400 memory ( 2 x 256 MB ) . > > i intend to re-use my present HDD (Quantum Fireball, 7200 rpm , 15 GB ), > which has dual-boot Mdk 9.0rc1 & Win98 systems (the latter rarely used); > also the AOpen GeForce2 graphics card & the PPPoE card for broadband. > i have downloaded Mdk 9.1 , in case i need to re-install on the new box > & anyway to install in the near future even if all goes well. > > my worry is that even Mdk 9.1 won't boot on the new hardware. > i realise the hardware above mb overkill, as i don't do sound or video > & the CPU weight of KDE is not an everyday problem, as i use Xfce. > however, i'm not a h/ware junkie & want something which will last 3 - 5 yrs > & i do compile programs from time to time & other CPU-intensive tasks. > > does anyone have any experience to share or problems to warn about? -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... http://www.monkeynoodle.org/resume.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Mdk 9.1 & Pentium 4
painful noises in the box, a 3-yr-old CPU (Celeron 466) & extra income (grin) have brought me to the point of looking at buying a faster CPU & an associated motherboard & upto-date memory. however, Mandrake's & Redhat's compatibility listings offer little advice & a review of the latest Pentium + m/board is slightly disturbing: http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/16/1610236&mode=thread . the current choice is: (1) Pentium 4 , 2.4 GHz , 533 MHz FSB + ASUS P4SDX , 400/533 MHz FSB , dual-channel DDR333 memory , AGP 8x + PC-2700 DDR333 memory ( 2 x 256 MB ) ; (2) Pentium 4 , 2.4 GHz , 800 MHz FSB + ASUS P4P800-DLX , 800 MHz FSB , dual-channel DDR400 memory , AGP 8x + KingMax PC-3200 DDR400 memory ( 2 x 256 MB ) . i intend to re-use my present HDD (Quantum Fireball, 7200 rpm , 15 GB ), which has dual-boot Mdk 9.0rc1 & Win98 systems (the latter rarely used); also the AOpen GeForce2 graphics card & the PPPoE card for broadband. i have downloaded Mdk 9.1 , in case i need to re-install on the new box & anyway to install in the near future even if all goes well. my worry is that even Mdk 9.1 won't boot on the new hardware. i realise the hardware above mb overkill, as i don't do sound or video & the CPU weight of KDE is not an everyday problem, as i use Xfce. however, i'm not a h/ware junkie & want something which will last 3 - 5 yrs & i do compile programs from time to time & other CPU-intensive tasks. does anyone have any experience to share or problems to warn about? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban & Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
