RE: [expert] Problem with a Dell Pentium Pro
I just want to thank you for the help, Civileme. No one likes problems with their machines but I guess the fun would be lost if everything were trivial and too easy. It has been an incredible boost of computer knowledge since I moved to the linux world. The linux community has really showed its strength. I'm glad I did the change from my previous OS. Keep up the good work. /Edvard -Ursprungligt meddelande- Edvard Wikström wrote: You were right Civileme, as soon as I changed to the nonframebuffer image I got the screen back at boot. Yes, it is a Matrox card, I got the three small bars (I hope you meant left instead of right) at the left corner and the graphics at the package section. So it must be something strange. I'm happy that I can se what happens at boot, I guess I will have to keep with the nonfb option. Just to make thing clear, what difference is there between the normal image and the nonfb image? /Edvard -Ursprungligt meddelande- Edvard Wikström wrote: Hello again, Civileme, I followed your suggestion I tried the memory test program. I don´t know what conclusion to make of it. It took it 50 min to finish and then it started again. I was expectiing a status report or a summary. I didn´t get any information about the memory health. Is this a normal behavior of the program? Back to my problem. I used the CD2 and selected the 2.2.14 kernel, it worked (I had to strugle a little with the partioning, it didn´t like my partioning strategy). I still have this strange problem though. When i boot the machine I got no conection with the screen, it is ofline during the startup. Only at the login when X starts I get the monitor and image back. I´m really amazed about what it wrong. Could it be the graphic card? /Edvard Hmmm, You have a Matrox? Possibly it is being recognized as mainstream and is instead Dell-Speciifc custom OEM order. Dell and Compaq have been doing little tweaks like that either to save money or to control aftermarket or both, nd of course they were big enough to have custom OEM products made to their specs. Well, it is likely that 1. The Matrox as a mainstream card _is_ a framebuffer capable device. 2. Yours is not. 3. The default boot is a framebuffer kernel. Do uou have another boot image labeled linux-nonfb? You will need to look at Boot Configuration in the Mandrake Control Center and see what is set up, because if it is as I speculated, you could not see the boot screen. If you have a nonfb boot, use it and you will see the traditional status plus green OK while it is booting. On install, did it show three small bars (blue, yellow,white) on the lower right side of the screen for theme change or four smaller pastel bars (two blue, one gray, and... ) and did the install packages section simply show two bars with the names of the packages or did it rotate through some graphics? If it did the former case, then framebuffer was not up and the graphic install was running VGA. If it did the latter and then the behavior on boot is as you described, we have a really unique case to log. Civileme _s_p_r_a_y_ Här börjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet på http://www.spray.se Anmäl ditt intresse för Spray ADSL bredband! http://www.spray.se/adsl/intresse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com framebuffer can give you a 1024x768 screen in 16-bit color without a card-specific driver. The card must support framebuffer; however. Matrox Mystique is a known framebuffer supporter--In fact the Matrox I sometimes use on the Compaq Professional Workstation 5000 is almost exactly the same model and DOES support framebuffer. That almost exactly is the kicker. The card probably IDs itself in the same way but is an OEM version without framebuffer support, which confuses XFdrake because the ID matches framebuffer in the database, so you are picked to receive a framebuffer enabled kernel and to have a graphical boot screen. The nonfb kernel doesn't have the FBDev compiled in and works with the normal video drivers only, while the framebuffer kernel can do either. The DrakX installer first tries to bring up frambuffer for the install then falls back to the VGA if framebuffer doesn't work. On some systems, I go for the FBDev driver as the video and forget trying to configure the video chipset. It is sometimes faster. I am running a Toshiba 430CDT with framebuffer X. Civileme _s_p_r_a_y_ Här börjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet på http://www.spray.se Anmäl ditt intresse för Spray ADSL bredband! http://www.spray.se/adsl/intresse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problem with a Dell Pentium Pro
--- James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Civileme, As usual you are right. I would however like to extend what you noted. Many of the older (greater than 3 years) cdrom drives I've tried don't recognize anything BUT a 650 meg cdrom. Around here I haven't seen anything but 700meg blanks in a while. I've also found that a great way to ensure a non readable cd is to create it with CD-Creator and an older hp 4x burner. Not even windows can read many of them. (except of course on the box that burned them.) I've got a friend of mine reburning about 200 cdroms (data moved off of a ton of mag tapes) due to this combo. In fact my 7.1 disks from Mandrake. I've got an 4x that won't read them. EVERYTHING else does but not this one creative drive. (one of the old cartidge type.) on my previous company, we produce CDROMS that come with our print media. we kinda have that problem before in the office wherein some of the CDROM drives can read our burned CDs and some cannot (like old ones). we noticed that right after we tried burning with speed of more than 2X. from then on we were stucked to 2X. :-( James __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: RE:Re: [expert] Problem with a Dell Pentium Pro
Well, I am not sure. Maybe this can help you. A few months ago I was trying to install SuSE 7.3 on Dell Precision... (P4, 256 RAM... etc.) I had the same problem as you are describirng. I started to look for reason... and... In the case of SuSE solution was to start instalation with this command line (I have found it on their site): linux disableapic maxcpus=0 nosmp after booting instalation this way, there was no any problem. Actually I don't know what does it mean, but with SuSE it worked. Maybe this can help you. See you, Tomek - Original Message - From: Edvard Wikström [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 2:12 AM Subject: RE:Re: [expert] Problem with a Dell Pentium Pro Hello again, Civileme, I followed your suggestion I tried the memory test program. I don´t know what conclusion to make of it. It took it 50 min to finish and then it started again. I was expectiing a status report or a summary. I didn´t get any information about the memory health. Is this a normal behavior of the program? Back to my problem. I used the CD2 and selected the 2.2.14 kernel, it worked (I had to strugle a little with the partioning, it didn´t like my partioning strategy). I still have this strange problem though. When i boot the machine I got no conection with the screen, it is ofline during the startup. Only at the login when X starts I get the monitor and image back. I´m really amazed about what it wrong. Could it be the graphic card? /Edvard -Ursprungligt meddelande- Edvard Wikström wrote: Hello again, I should have mentioned that both the CD and the floppy disk work without any problems. I used them to install 8.1 in another machine that I have. Just to be sure, I checked again and they work. I have also tried the other.img to see if that would work, it gives me nothing. Any ideas? /Edvard -Ursprungligt meddelande- Sounds like a dodgy CD to be honest, can you get another copy or download. If you have the ISO did you check the checksum. Apart from that I have no idea. HTH Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Edvard Wikström Sent: 22 March 2002 20:11 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Problem with a Dell Pentium Pro Hi, I posted this question at the newbie list but got no luck, they suggested to post it here instead. Here it goes. I´m trying to install Mandrake 8.1 with no luck. When I boot the machine with the CD or the floppy with the cdrom.img it stops just after this line: SYSLINUX 1.48 Linux-Mandrake copyright 1994-1999 H. Peter Avin The monitor loses contact with the computer (gets ofline) and the cdrom spins a little and then stops. And all the ligths in the front panel at the computer starts to blink in sync. Any ideas about what could be the problem? Some info about this machine: -Dell XPS 180n, a Pentium Pro machine at 180Mhz with 98 MB RAM. -Matrox Mystique 220 4 MB RAMDAC -Creative SB32 -HD(1) IDE IBM-DAQA-33240 (Master) -HD (2) IDE WDC-AC31600H Both harddrives are clean, nothing on them. The filesystem on both are FAT32 right now after format. I flashed the motherboard with the latest driver, while I had win98 and it worked great. No problems there. I have been removing hardware to see if the install would kick in, but no result there. I appreciate any help. (I can add that I have been using Linux/Mandrake for 6 months, so I´m not new with the OS) /Edvard _s_p_r_a_y_ Här börjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet på http://www.spray.se Anmäl ditt intresse för Spray ADSL bredband! http://www.spray.se/adsl/intresse _s_p_r_a_y_ Här börjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet på http://www.spray.se Anmäl ditt intresse för Spray ADSL bredband! http://www.spray.se/adsl/intresse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com OK REPRODUCED Identical behavior to what you describe. CD behaves OK on 8 systems, but when I tried a reinstall with an old CD drive I knew performed less than 100%, I got the following 3 times failed to boot 9 times got to the same point as yours and stopped. Try a different drive in your machine if you have one available. Civileme _s_p_r_a_y_ Här börjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet på http://www.spray.se Anmäl ditt intresse för Spray ADSL bredband! http://www.spray.se/adsl/intresse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Okresl Swoje potrzeby - my znajdziemy oferte za Ciebie! [ http
RE: [expert] Problem with a Dell Pentium Pro
You were right Civileme, as soon as I changed to the nonframebuffer image I got the screen back at boot. Yes, it is a Matrox card, I got the three small bars (I hope you meant left instead of right) at the left corner and the graphics at the package section. So it must be something strange. I'm happy that I can se what happens at boot, I guess I will have to keep with the nonfb option. Just to make thing clear, what difference is there between the normal image and the nonfb image? /Edvard -Ursprungligt meddelande- Edvard Wikström wrote: Hello again, Civileme, I followed your suggestion I tried the memory test program. I don´t know what conclusion to make of it. It took it 50 min to finish and then it started again. I was expectiing a status report or a summary. I didn´t get any information about the memory health. Is this a normal behavior of the program? Back to my problem. I used the CD2 and selected the 2.2.14 kernel, it worked (I had to strugle a little with the partioning, it didn´t like my partioning strategy). I still have this strange problem though. When i boot the machine I got no conection with the screen, it is ofline during the startup. Only at the login when X starts I get the monitor and image back. I´m really amazed about what it wrong. Could it be the graphic card? /Edvard Hmmm, You have a Matrox? Possibly it is being recognized as mainstream and is instead Dell-Speciifc custom OEM order. Dell and Compaq have been doing little tweaks like that either to save money or to control aftermarket or both, nd of course they were big enough to have custom OEM products made to their specs. Well, it is likely that 1. The Matrox as a mainstream card _is_ a framebuffer capable device. 2. Yours is not. 3. The default boot is a framebuffer kernel. Do uou have another boot image labeled linux-nonfb? You will need to look at Boot Configuration in the Mandrake Control Center and see what is set up, because if it is as I speculated, you could not see the boot screen. If you have a nonfb boot, use it and you will see the traditional status plus green OK while it is booting. On install, did it show three small bars (blue, yellow,white) on the lower right side of the screen for theme change or four smaller pastel bars (two blue, one gray, and... ) and did the install packages section simply show two bars with the names of the packages or did it rotate through some graphics? If it did the former case, then framebuffer was not up and the graphic install was running VGA. If it did the latter and then the behavior on boot is as you described, we have a really unique case to log. Civileme _s_p_r_a_y_ Här börjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet på http://www.spray.se Anmäl ditt intresse för Spray ADSL bredband! http://www.spray.se/adsl/intresse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problem with a Dell Pentium Pro
On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 07:55:45 -0900 civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lorne Shantz wrote: It may also be a bad cdrom image no? civileme wrote: Edvard Wikström wrote: Hi, I posted this question at the newbie list but got no luck, they suggested to post it here instead. Here it goes. I´m trying to install Mandrake 8.1 with no luck. When I boot the machine with the CD or the floppy with the cdrom.img it stops just after this line: SYSLINUX 1.48 Linux-Mandrake copyright 1994-1999 H. Peter Avin The monitor loses contact with the computer (gets ofline) and the cdrom spins a little and then stops. And all the ligths in the front panel at the computer starts to blink in sync. Any ideas about what could be the problem? Some info about this machine: -Dell XPS 180n, a Pentium Pro machine at 180Mhz with 98 MB RAM. -Matrox Mystique 220 4 MB RAMDAC -Creative SB32 -HD(1) IDE IBM-DAQA-33240 (Master) -HD (2) IDE WDC-AC31600H Both harddrives are clean, nothing on them. The filesystem on both are FAT32 right now after format. I flashed the motherboard with the latest driver, while I had win98 and it worked great. No problems there. I have been removing hardware to see if the install would kick in, but no result there. I appreciate any help. (I can add that I have been using Linux/Mandrake for 6 months, so I´m not new with the OS) /Edvard _s_p_r_a_y_ Här börjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet på http://www.spray.se Anmäl ditt intresse för Spray ADSL bredband! http://www.spray.se/adsl/intresse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com First order of business is to take the memtest-x86.bin from /images/ and dd it to a floppy... Then boot from the floppy. Memory could cause this. I have a Compaq Professional Workstation here with two PPros and running the SMP kernel and we're in hog heaven. Second possibility... Both Dell and Compaq are bad bad bad about proprietary cards, so let's try the 2.2 kernel boots. Put in CD number 2 from the 9.1 set and Boot, then follow instructions to try an alternate image. But when Win works and linux doesn't, 9 times out of 10 it is flaky memory. Civileme BAD and GOOD images from home burners is starting to be a pet peeve. I have three burners, none Plextor or Yamaha, (which are top-of-the-line), and CDs I produce with them _may_ work on all my readers. The slower the burn speed, the more likely this is, in most cases, though I have had some burned at 12 x from one burner read by a CD Drive that would not read 4x. It is NOT logical to assume that the burned media is OK just because it reads with a single drive (and especially not if it is with the drive that burned it). Sorry, but eccentricities do creep in in a product which is mostly a numbers game. On one of my old sites, I went through the calculations to show than an 8x CD always spun up was faster in almost all cases than a 52X CD which has to spin down to save noise, power, and wear and tear on the media. The cases where a 52X are faster are basically on a long load (NOT an install of relatively small packages in succession) which might be experienced 5-6 times during install or when using CD-based movies for game shots. So why do we drive a chunk of plastic with sleeve bearings to such outrageous extremes? I would call it marketing. Obviously, a 70x is better than a 56X which is better than a 52X which is better than a 40x which is better than Anyway, real results for real people: 48 CDs burned on one drive under conditions identical as possible and read on 7 other drives, two of which were burners. Drive 1--44 failures-- retired to reserve for duplicating bad drive errors (Creative 24X about 3 years old) Drive 2--3 failures-- ONE of those read fine on drive 1 (Wearnes 4x4x24 Burner) Drive 3--0 failures (NEC PD drive 6x) Drive 4 - One failure--And it read on every other drive! (Mitsumi DVD about 5 years old-2xDVD or about 10X CD) Drive 5-7 failures--all of those that failed on drives other than Drive 1 also failed here (OEM for IBM about 4 years old, 8X) Drive 6-No Failures (Black faced no name 12 X about 4 years in storage before surplusing) Drive 7-5 Failures (Acer 4x2x32 Burner) Tested later--- Drive 8 (The drive that burned them)--2 failures, both at 2x burns (12x8x40 Burner with no discernible brand) From these results alone, I would advise a _LOT_ of caution before concluding a CD is OK because it reads on one system. I would also advise anyone buying new equipment to try for the good stuff because it will save in time (a non-renewable resource) what is spent in money (a renewable resource).
Re: [expert] Problem with a Dell Pentium Pro
Edvard Wikström wrote: Hello again, Civileme, I followed your suggestion I tried the memory test program. I don´t know what conclusion to make of it. It took it 50 min to finish and then it started again. I was expectiing a status report or a summary. I didn´t get any information about the memory health. Is this a normal behavior of the program? Back to my problem. I used the CD2 and selected the 2.2.14 kernel, it worked (I had to strugle a little with the partioning, it didn´t like my partioning strategy). I still have this strange problem though. When i boot the machine I got no conection with the screen, it is ofline during the startup. Only at the login when X starts I get the monitor and image back. I´m really amazed about what it wrong. Could it be the graphic card? /Edvard Hmmm, You have a Matrox? Possibly it is being recognized as mainstream and is instead Dell-Speciifc custom OEM order. Dell and Compaq have been doing little tweaks like that either to save money or to control aftermarket or both, nd of course they were big enough to have custom OEM products made to their specs. Well, it is likely that 1. The Matrox as a mainstream card _is_ a framebuffer capable device. 2. Yours is not. 3. The default boot is a framebuffer kernel. Do uou have another boot image labeled linux-nonfb? You will need to look at Boot Configuration in the Mandrake Control Center and see what is set up, because if it is as I speculated, you could not see the boot screen. If you have a nonfb boot, use it and you will see the traditional status plus green OK while it is booting. On install, did it show three small bars (blue, yellow,white) on the lower right side of the screen for theme change or four smaller pastel bars (two blue, one gray, and... ) and did the install packages section simply show two bars with the names of the packages or did it rotate through some graphics? If it did the former case, then framebuffer was not up and the graphic install was running VGA. If it did the latter and then the behavior on boot is as you described, we have a really unique case to log. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problem with a Dell Pentium Pro
Edvard Wikström wrote: Hello again, I should have mentioned that both the CD and the floppy disk work without any problems. I used them to install 8.1 in another machine that I have. Just to be sure, I checked again and they work. I have also tried the other.img to see if that would work, it gives me nothing. Any ideas? /Edvard -Ursprungligt meddelande- Sounds like a dodgy CD to be honest, can you get another copy or download. If you have the ISO did you check the checksum. Apart from that I have no idea. HTH Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Edvard Wikström Sent: 22 March 2002 20:11 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Problem with a Dell Pentium Pro Hi, I posted this question at the newbie list but got no luck, they suggested to post it here instead. Here it goes. I´m trying to install Mandrake 8.1 with no luck. When I boot the machine with the CD or the floppy with the cdrom.img it stops just after this line: SYSLINUX 1.48 Linux-Mandrake copyright 1994-1999 H. Peter Avin The monitor loses contact with the computer (gets ofline) and the cdrom spins a little and then stops. And all the ligths in the front panel at the computer starts to blink in sync. Any ideas about what could be the problem? Some info about this machine: -Dell XPS 180n, a Pentium Pro machine at 180Mhz with 98 MB RAM. -Matrox Mystique 220 4 MB RAMDAC -Creative SB32 -HD(1) IDE IBM-DAQA-33240 (Master) -HD (2) IDE WDC-AC31600H Both harddrives are clean, nothing on them. The filesystem on both are FAT32 right now after format. I flashed the motherboard with the latest driver, while I had win98 and it worked great. No problems there. I have been removing hardware to see if the install would kick in, but no result there. I appreciate any help. (I can add that I have been using Linux/Mandrake for 6 months, so I´m not new with the OS) /Edvard _s_p_r_a_y_ Här börjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet på http://www.spray.se Anmäl ditt intresse för Spray ADSL bredband! http://www.spray.se/adsl/intresse _s_p_r_a_y_ Här börjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet på http://www.spray.se Anmäl ditt intresse för Spray ADSL bredband! http://www.spray.se/adsl/intresse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com OK REPRODUCED Identical behavior to what you describe. CD behaves OK on 8 systems, but when I tried a reinstall with an old CD drive I knew performed less than 100%, I got the following 3 times failed to boot 9 times got to the same point as yours and stopped. Try a different drive in your machine if you have one available. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problem with a Dell Pentium Pro
It may also be a bad cdrom image no? civileme wrote: Edvard Wikström wrote: Hi, I posted this question at the newbie list but got no luck, they suggested to post it here instead. Here it goes. I´m trying to install Mandrake 8.1 with no luck. When I boot the machine with the CD or the floppy with the cdrom.img it stops just after this line: SYSLINUX 1.48 Linux-Mandrake copyright 1994-1999 H. Peter Avin The monitor loses contact with the computer (gets ofline) and the cdrom spins a little and then stops. And all the ligths in the front panel at the computer starts to blink in sync. Any ideas about what could be the problem? Some info about this machine: -Dell XPS 180n, a Pentium Pro machine at 180Mhz with 98 MB RAM. -Matrox Mystique 220 4 MB RAMDAC -Creative SB32 -HD(1) IDE IBM-DAQA-33240 (Master) -HD (2) IDE WDC-AC31600H Both harddrives are clean, nothing on them. The filesystem on both are FAT32 right now after format. I flashed the motherboard with the latest driver, while I had win98 and it worked great. No problems there. I have been removing hardware to see if the install would kick in, but no result there. I appreciate any help. (I can add that I have been using Linux/Mandrake for 6 months, so I´m not new with the OS) /Edvard _s_p_r_a_y_ Här börjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet på http://www.spray.se Anmäl ditt intresse för Spray ADSL bredband! http://www.spray.se/adsl/intresse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com First order of business is to take the memtest-x86.bin from /images/ and dd it to a floppy... Then boot from the floppy. Memory could cause this. I have a Compaq Professional Workstation here with two PPros and running the SMP kernel and we're in hog heaven. Second possibility... Both Dell and Compaq are bad bad bad about proprietary cards, so let's try the 2.2 kernel boots. Put in CD number 2 from the 9.1 set and Boot, then follow instructions to try an alternate image. But when Win works and linux doesn't, 9 times out of 10 it is flaky memory. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Lorne Shantz Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problem with a Dell Pentium Pro
Thanks for the information, civileme! For anybody that's interested in testing CD-Roms after burning, I started this page/project: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/Md5sumsAfterBurning If you test some CD-Roms after downloading and burning, please add your results to this TWiki page. (Register at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration -- make up a wikiname (like RandyKramer), a password, and tell what country you're from, IIRC.) Don't worry too much about formatting -- if it looks out of wack I'll fix it up next time I review the page. I'd echo what civileme says about high speed and variable speed drives -- for me they tend to be unreliable and slower than a good 8, 10, 12, or 16x. Randy Kramer civileme wrote: BAD and GOOD images from home burners is starting to be a pet peeve. I have three burners, none Plextor or Yamaha, (which are top-of-the-line), and CDs I produce with them _may_ work on all my readers. The slower the burn speed, the more likely this is, in most cases, though I have had some burned at 12 x from one burner read by a CD Drive that would not read 4x. It is NOT logical to assume that the burned media is OK just because it reads with a single drive (and especially not if it is with the drive that burned it). Sorry, but eccentricities do creep in in a product which is mostly a numbers game. On one of my old sites, I went through the calculations to show than an 8x CD always spun up was faster in almost all cases than a 52X CD which has to spin down to save noise, power, and wear and tear on the media. The cases where a 52X are faster are basically on a long load (NOT an install of relatively small packages in succession) which might be experienced 5-6 times during install or when using CD-based movies for game shots. So why do we drive a chunk of plastic with sleeve bearings to such outrageous extremes? I would call it marketing. Obviously, a 70x is better than a 56X which is better than a 52X which is better than a 40x which is better than Anyway, real results for real people: 48 CDs burned on one drive under conditions identical as possible and read on 7 other drives, two of which were burners. Drive 1--44 failures-- retired to reserve for duplicating bad drive errors (Creative 24X about 3 years old) Drive 2--3 failures-- ONE of those read fine on drive 1 (Wearnes 4x4x24 Burner) Drive 3--0 failures (NEC PD drive 6x) Drive 4 - One failure--And it read on every other drive! (Mitsumi DVD about 5 years old-2xDVD or about 10X CD) Drive 5-7 failures--all of those that failed on drives other than Drive 1 also failed here (OEM for IBM about 4 years old, 8X) Drive 6-No Failures (Black faced no name 12 X about 4 years in storage before surplusing) Drive 7-5 Failures (Acer 4x2x32 Burner) Tested later--- Drive 8 (The drive that burned them)--2 failures, both at 2x burns (12x8x40 Burner with no discernible brand) From these results alone, I would advise a _LOT_ of caution before concluding a CD is OK because it reads on one system. I would also advise anyone buying new equipment to try for the good stuff because it will save in time (a non-renewable resource) what is spent in money (a renewable resource). Civileme --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problem with a Dell Pentium Pro
Hello again, Civileme, I followed your suggestion and tried the memory test program. I don´t know what conclusion to make of it. It took 50 minutes to complete and then it started the test again. I was expection som kind of status report or summary. Is this a normal behavior of the program? Back to my problem, I tried the CD2 and used the 2.2.14 kernel, it worked. I managed to install (I had to strugle with the partion _s_p_r_a_y_ Här börjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet på http://www.spray.se Anmäl ditt intresse för Spray ADSL bredband! http://www.spray.se/adsl/intresse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE:Re: [expert] Problem with a Dell Pentium Pro
Hello again, Civileme, I followed your suggestion I tried the memory test program. I don´t know what conclusion to make of it. It took it 50 min to finish and then it started again. I was expectiing a status report or a summary. I didn´t get any information about the memory health. Is this a normal behavior of the program? Back to my problem. I used the CD2 and selected the 2.2.14 kernel, it worked (I had to strugle a little with the partioning, it didn´t like my partioning strategy). I still have this strange problem though. When i boot the machine I got no conection with the screen, it is ofline during the startup. Only at the login when X starts I get the monitor and image back. I´m really amazed about what it wrong. Could it be the graphic card? /Edvard -Ursprungligt meddelande- Edvard Wikström wrote: Hello again, I should have mentioned that both the CD and the floppy disk work without any problems. I used them to install 8.1 in another machine that I have. Just to be sure, I checked again and they work. I have also tried the other.img to see if that would work, it gives me nothing. Any ideas? /Edvard -Ursprungligt meddelande- Sounds like a dodgy CD to be honest, can you get another copy or download. If you have the ISO did you check the checksum. Apart from that I have no idea. HTH Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Edvard Wikström Sent: 22 March 2002 20:11 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Problem with a Dell Pentium Pro Hi, I posted this question at the newbie list but got no luck, they suggested to post it here instead. Here it goes. I´m trying to install Mandrake 8.1 with no luck. When I boot the machine with the CD or the floppy with the cdrom.img it stops just after this line: SYSLINUX 1.48 Linux-Mandrake copyright 1994-1999 H. Peter Avin The monitor loses contact with the computer (gets ofline) and the cdrom spins a little and then stops. And all the ligths in the front panel at the computer starts to blink in sync. Any ideas about what could be the problem? Some info about this machine: -Dell XPS 180n, a Pentium Pro machine at 180Mhz with 98 MB RAM. -Matrox Mystique 220 4 MB RAMDAC -Creative SB32 -HD(1) IDE IBM-DAQA-33240 (Master) -HD (2) IDE WDC-AC31600H Both harddrives are clean, nothing on them. The filesystem on both are FAT32 right now after format. I flashed the motherboard with the latest driver, while I had win98 and it worked great. No problems there. I have been removing hardware to see if the install would kick in, but no result there. I appreciate any help. (I can add that I have been using Linux/Mandrake for 6 months, so I´m not new with the OS) /Edvard _s_p_r_a_y_ Här börjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet på http://www.spray.se Anmäl ditt intresse för Spray ADSL bredband! http://www.spray.se/adsl/intresse _s_p_r_a_y_ Här börjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet på http://www.spray.se Anmäl ditt intresse för Spray ADSL bredband! http://www.spray.se/adsl/intresse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com OK REPRODUCED Identical behavior to what you describe. CD behaves OK on 8 systems, but when I tried a reinstall with an old CD drive I knew performed less than 100%, I got the following 3 times failed to boot 9 times got to the same point as yours and stopped. Try a different drive in your machine if you have one available. Civileme _s_p_r_a_y_ Här börjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet på http://www.spray.se Anmäl ditt intresse för Spray ADSL bredband! http://www.spray.se/adsl/intresse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Problem with a Dell Pentium Pro
Hi, I posted this question at the newbie list but got no luck, they suggested to post it here instead. Here it goes. I´m trying to install Mandrake 8.1 with no luck. When I boot the machine with the CD or the floppy with the cdrom.img it stops just after this line: SYSLINUX 1.48 Linux-Mandrake copyright 1994-1999 H. Peter Avin The monitor loses contact with the computer (gets ofline) and the cdrom spins a little and then stops. And all the ligths in the front panel at the computer starts to blink in sync. Any ideas about what could be the problem? Some info about this machine: -Dell XPS 180n, a Pentium Pro machine at 180Mhz with 98 MB RAM. -Matrox Mystique 220 4 MB RAMDAC -Creative SB32 -HD(1) IDE IBM-DAQA-33240 (Master) -HD (2) IDE WDC-AC31600H Both harddrives are clean, nothing on them. The filesystem on both are FAT32 right now after format. I flashed the motherboard with the latest driver, while I had win98 and it worked great. No problems there. I have been removing hardware to see if the install would kick in, but no result there. I appreciate any help. (I can add that I have been using Linux/Mandrake for 6 months, so I´m not new with the OS) /Edvard _s_p_r_a_y_ Här börjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet på http://www.spray.se Anmäl ditt intresse för Spray ADSL bredband! http://www.spray.se/adsl/intresse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Problem with a Dell Pentium Pro
Hello again, I should have mentioned that both the CD and the floppy disk work without any problems. I used them to install 8.1 in another machine that I have. Just to be sure, I checked again and they work. I have also tried the other.img to see if that would work, it gives me nothing. Any ideas? /Edvard -Ursprungligt meddelande- Sounds like a dodgy CD to be honest, can you get another copy or download. If you have the ISO did you check the checksum. Apart from that I have no idea. HTH Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Edvard Wikström Sent: 22 March 2002 20:11 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Problem with a Dell Pentium Pro Hi, I posted this question at the newbie list but got no luck, they suggested to post it here instead. Here it goes. I´m trying to install Mandrake 8.1 with no luck. When I boot the machine with the CD or the floppy with the cdrom.img it stops just after this line: SYSLINUX 1.48 Linux-Mandrake copyright 1994-1999 H. Peter Avin The monitor loses contact with the computer (gets ofline) and the cdrom spins a little and then stops. And all the ligths in the front panel at the computer starts to blink in sync. Any ideas about what could be the problem? Some info about this machine: -Dell XPS 180n, a Pentium Pro machine at 180Mhz with 98 MB RAM. -Matrox Mystique 220 4 MB RAMDAC -Creative SB32 -HD(1) IDE IBM-DAQA-33240 (Master) -HD (2) IDE WDC-AC31600H Both harddrives are clean, nothing on them. The filesystem on both are FAT32 right now after format. I flashed the motherboard with the latest driver, while I had win98 and it worked great. No problems there. I have been removing hardware to see if the install would kick in, but no result there. I appreciate any help. (I can add that I have been using Linux/Mandrake for 6 months, so I´m not new with the OS) /Edvard _s_p_r_a_y_ Här börjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet på http://www.spray.se Anmäl ditt intresse för Spray ADSL bredband! http://www.spray.se/adsl/intresse _s_p_r_a_y_ Här börjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet på http://www.spray.se Anmäl ditt intresse för Spray ADSL bredband! http://www.spray.se/adsl/intresse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problem with a Dell Pentium Pro
Edvard Wikström wrote: Hi, I posted this question at the newbie list but got no luck, they suggested to post it here instead. Here it goes. I´m trying to install Mandrake 8.1 with no luck. When I boot the machine with the CD or the floppy with the cdrom.img it stops just after this line: SYSLINUX 1.48 Linux-Mandrake copyright 1994-1999 H. Peter Avin The monitor loses contact with the computer (gets ofline) and the cdrom spins a little and then stops. And all the ligths in the front panel at the computer starts to blink in sync. Any ideas about what could be the problem? Some info about this machine: -Dell XPS 180n, a Pentium Pro machine at 180Mhz with 98 MB RAM. -Matrox Mystique 220 4 MB RAMDAC -Creative SB32 -HD(1) IDE IBM-DAQA-33240 (Master) -HD (2) IDE WDC-AC31600H Both harddrives are clean, nothing on them. The filesystem on both are FAT32 right now after format. I flashed the motherboard with the latest driver, while I had win98 and it worked great. No problems there. I have been removing hardware to see if the install would kick in, but no result there. I appreciate any help. (I can add that I have been using Linux/Mandrake for 6 months, so I´m not new with the OS) /Edvard _s_p_r_a_y_ Här börjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet på http://www.spray.se Anmäl ditt intresse för Spray ADSL bredband! http://www.spray.se/adsl/intresse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com First order of business is to take the memtest-x86.bin from /images/ and dd it to a floppy... Then boot from the floppy. Memory could cause this. I have a Compaq Professional Workstation here with two PPros and running the SMP kernel and we're in hog heaven. Second possibility... Both Dell and Compaq are bad bad bad about proprietary cards, so let's try the 2.2 kernel boots. Put in CD number 2 from the 9.1 set and Boot, then follow instructions to try an alternate image. But when Win works and linux doesn't, 9 times out of 10 it is flaky memory. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problem with a Dell Pentium Pro
On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 10:43, civileme wrote: Edvard Wikström wrote: Hi, I posted this question at the newbie list but got no luck, they suggested to post it here instead. Here it goes. I´m trying to install Mandrake 8.1 with no luck. When I boot the machine with the CD or the floppy with the cdrom.img it stops just after this line: SYSLINUX 1.48 Linux-Mandrake copyright 1994-1999 H. Peter Avin The monitor loses contact with the computer (gets ofline) and the cdrom spins a little and then stops. And all the ligths in the front panel at the computer starts to blink in sync. Any ideas about what could be the problem? Some info about this machine: -Dell XPS 180n, a Pentium Pro machine at 180Mhz with 98 MB RAM. -Matrox Mystique 220 4 MB RAMDAC -Creative SB32 -HD(1) IDE IBM-DAQA-33240 (Master) -HD (2) IDE WDC-AC31600H Both harddrives are clean, nothing on them. The filesystem on both are FAT32 right now after format. I flashed the motherboard with the latest driver, while I had win98 and it worked great. No problems there. I have been removing hardware to see if the install would kick in, but no result there. I appreciate any help. (I can add that I have been using Linux/Mandrake for 6 months, so I´m not new with the OS) /Edvard _s_p_r_a_y_ Här börjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet på http://www.spray.se Anmäl ditt intresse för Spray ADSL bredband! http://www.spray.se/adsl/intresse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com First order of business is to take the memtest-x86.bin from /images/ and dd it to a floppy... Then boot from the floppy. Memory could cause this. I have a Compaq Professional Workstation here with two PPros and running the SMP kernel and we're in hog heaven. Second possibility... Both Dell and Compaq are bad bad bad about proprietary cards, so let's try the 2.2 kernel boots. Put in CD number 2 from the 9.1 set and Boot, then follow instructions to try an alternate image. But when Win works and linux doesn't, 9 times out of 10 it is flaky memory. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com The 9.1 set! Civileme, you must have a pre-pre-release. Can I get one of those too? ;-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problem with a Dell Pentium Pro
Brian Parish wrote: On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 10:43, civileme wrote: Edvard Wikström wrote: Hi, I posted this question at the newbie list but got no luck, they suggested to post it here instead. Here it goes. I´m trying to install Mandrake 8.1 with no luck. When I boot the machine with the CD or the floppy with the cdrom.img it stops just after this line: SYSLINUX 1.48 Linux-Mandrake copyright 1994-1999 H. Peter Avin The monitor loses contact with the computer (gets ofline) and the cdrom spins a little and then stops. And all the ligths in the front panel at the computer starts to blink in sync. Any ideas about what could be the problem? Some info about this machine: -Dell XPS 180n, a Pentium Pro machine at 180Mhz with 98 MB RAM. -Matrox Mystique 220 4 MB RAMDAC -Creative SB32 -HD(1) IDE IBM-DAQA-33240 (Master) -HD (2) IDE WDC-AC31600H Both harddrives are clean, nothing on them. The filesystem on both are FAT32 right now after format. I flashed the motherboard with the latest driver, while I had win98 and it worked great. No problems there. I have been removing hardware to see if the install would kick in, but no result there. I appreciate any help. (I can add that I have been using Linux/Mandrake for 6 months, so I´m not new with the OS) /Edvard _s_p_r_a_y_ Här börjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet på http://www.spray.se Anmäl ditt intresse för Spray ADSL bredband! http://www.spray.se/adsl/intresse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com First order of business is to take the memtest-x86.bin from /images/ and dd it to a floppy... Then boot from the floppy. Memory could cause this. I have a Compaq Professional Workstation here with two PPros and running the SMP kernel and we're in hog heaven. Second possibility... Both Dell and Compaq are bad bad bad about proprietary cards, so let's try the 2.2 kernel boots. Put in CD number 2 from the 9.1 set and Boot, then follow instructions to try an alternate image. But when Win works and linux doesn't, 9 times out of 10 it is flaky memory. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com The 9.1 set! Civileme, you must have a pre-pre-release. Can I get one of those too? ;-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com LOL! Civileme have very fat fingers... 8.2 or 8.1 I mean of course. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
