[expert] Problems I haven't gotten a hold on.
All. Some problems with 9.0 1. On a total of 6 different boxes whenever the cursor is over the "open" areas of the desktop. I always get a clock Icon. As soon as it goes back over an application it seems to work just fine. Annoying but not problematic. 2. In 1024x768 mode you can't have 1 background per desktop in kde (havent tested the others you'll see why in a sec.). Larger modes the background will refresh but in 1024x768 it won't .(Most noticeable on my laptop since thats the largest it will do) Smaller has the same problems. 3. I can't use anything but kde! on my laptop. and desktops. Oh I can log into by favorite ... WindowMaker. but it can't load the mandrake menu system doesn't do much good to have a desktop without a menu. Gnome has trouble saving to the home directory some of the settings and it seems to be breeding Icons as well. xcfe and fvmm also have problems loading the mandrake menu. 4. On my laptop only (Compaq Armada M700 with a Lynksis 10/100 Etherfast PCMCIA Nic) the ssh connections are slow as molasys. Web surfing ftp etc happens at normal speed. (even over the net, on cable here) but when ssh'd into a server on my LAN or any of a number of other ones I've been on it's like packets get transmitted in bursts. Then for a few seconds it's normal then back to the slowdown. Thoughts questions. pointed fingers and hysterical laughter? :) James James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problems I haven't gotten a hold on.
On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 21:43, James Sparenberg wrote: > All. > > Some problems with 9.0 > > 1. On a total of 6 different boxes whenever the cursor is over the > "open" areas of the desktop. I always get a clock Icon. As soon as it > goes back over an application it seems to work just fine. Annoying but > not problematic. > Not that this is a fix, but I've seen this whenever running KDE-influenced apps without the KDE DCOP server running... it gets all confused. It's happened once or twice on 9.0, but not as much as it used to. > 2. In 1024x768 mode you can't have 1 background per desktop in kde > (havent tested the others you'll see why in a sec.). Larger modes the > background will refresh but in 1024x768 it won't .(Most noticeable on my > laptop since thats the largest it will do) Smaller has the same > problems. > Whuh? You mean the first backdrop is the only one you get? How about if you don't do backdrop pictures and just do colors, does it still act wrong? > 3. I can't use anything but kde! on my laptop. and desktops. Oh I can > log into by favorite ... WindowMaker. but it can't load the mandrake > menu system doesn't do much good to have a desktop without a menu. > Gnome has trouble saving to the home directory some of the settings and > it seems to be breeding Icons as well. xcfe and fvmm also have problems > loading the mandrake menu. > Now this is sad... we should pass a hat :-) I know I get all upset if XFce quits working and I have to log into KDE, make some phone calls, take a walk, my goodness hasn't it started yet? Anyway, XFce has modules which pick up the menu from GNOME or KDE when starting, so that would fix your problem. Not sure if similar exists under wmaker, but if you're really desparate I suppose parsing /usr/lib/menu/* is an option. > 4. On my laptop only (Compaq Armada M700 with a Lynksis 10/100 > Etherfast PCMCIA Nic) the ssh connections are slow as molasys. Web > surfing ftp etc happens at normal speed. (even over the net, on cable > here) but when ssh'd into a server on my LAN or any of a number of other > ones I've been on it's like packets get transmitted in bursts. Then for > a few seconds it's normal then back to the slowdown. > Could there be traffic shaping going on? Shorewall's default config helps ssh rather than hindering it, but it could have been tinkered with. Really though, that sounds like a network issue -- I'd expect that there's a switch between point a and b which has a misconfigured port. > Thoughts questions. pointed fingers and hysterical laughter? :) > > James > > > James > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problems I haven't gotten a hold on.
On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 22:25, Jack Coates wrote: > On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 21:43, James Sparenberg wrote: > > All. > > > > Some problems with 9.0 > > > > 1. On a total of 6 different boxes whenever the cursor is over the > > "open" areas of the desktop. I always get a clock Icon. As soon as it > > goes back over an application it seems to work just fine. Annoying but > > not problematic. > > > > Not that this is a fix, but I've seen this whenever running > KDE-influenced apps without the KDE DCOP server running... it gets all > confused. It's happened once or twice on 9.0, but not as much as it used > to. Like I said more of an annoyance than a problemHowever someone staring at my laptop the other day. (I'd just booted it) noted how long it took it to load. (It was fully loaded just the clock cursor on the screen.) > > > 2. In 1024x768 mode you can't have 1 background per desktop in kde > > (havent tested the others you'll see why in a sec.). Larger modes the > > background will refresh but in 1024x768 it won't .(Most noticeable on my > > laptop since thats the largest it will do) Smaller has the same > > problems. > > > > Whuh? You mean the first backdrop is the only one you get? How about if > you don't do backdrop pictures and just do colors, does it still act > wrong? Yep. But if I move an application around the screen I can "paint" the proper backdrop. Note I can duplicate this on ANY comp I've installed. I usually operate at a higher res but on the laptop this is my limit. > > > 3. I can't use anything but kde! on my laptop. and desktops. Oh I can > > log into by favorite ... WindowMaker. but it can't load the mandrake > > menu system doesn't do much good to have a desktop without a menu. > > Gnome has trouble saving to the home directory some of the settings and > > it seems to be breeding Icons as well. xcfe and fvmm also have problems > > loading the mandrake menu. > > > > Now this is sad... we should pass a hat :-) I know I get all upset if > XFce quits working and I have to log into KDE, make some phone calls, > take a walk, my goodness hasn't it started yet? Anyway, XFce has modules > which pick up the menu from GNOME or KDE when starting, so that would > fix your problem. Not sure if similar exists under wmaker, but if you're > really desparate I suppose parsing /usr/lib/menu/* is an option. Can't run this from X and if I try it from a tty it won't run. I can't get to a term window. I need a menu to get to a menu. grumble. > > > 4. On my laptop only (Compaq Armada M700 with a Lynksis 10/100 > > Etherfast PCMCIA Nic) the ssh connections are slow as molasys. Web > > surfing ftp etc happens at normal speed. (even over the net, on cable > > here) but when ssh'd into a server on my LAN or any of a number of other > > ones I've been on it's like packets get transmitted in bursts. Then for > > a few seconds it's normal then back to the slowdown. > > > > Could there be traffic shaping going on? Shorewall's default config > helps ssh rather than hindering it, but it could have been tinkered > with. Really though, that sounds like a network issue -- I'd expect that > there's a switch between point a and b which has a misconfigured port. I would suspect the same except that it happens in about 5 or 6 different locations so far. (business the laptop goes where I go.) > > > Thoughts questions. pointed fingers and hysterical laughter? :) > > > > James > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > -- > Jack Coates > Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problems I haven't gotten a hold on.
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 09:27, James Sparenberg wrote: > On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 22:25, Jack Coates wrote: > > On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 21:43, James Sparenberg wrote: > > > All. > > > > > > Some problems with 9.0 > > > > > > 1. On a total of 6 different boxes whenever the cursor is over the > > > "open" areas of the desktop. I always get a clock Icon. As soon as it > > > goes back over an application it seems to work just fine. Annoying but > > > not problematic. > > > > > > > Not that this is a fix, but I've seen this whenever running > > KDE-influenced apps without the KDE DCOP server running... it gets all > > confused. It's happened once or twice on 9.0, but not as much as it used > > to. > > Like I said more of an annoyance than a problemHowever someone > staring at my laptop the other day. (I'd just booted it) noted how long > it took it to load. (It was fully loaded just the clock cursor on the > screen.) well, this is why there are so many choices for a given task in Linux -- because 25% of them are going to be poor fits, 50% won't work right, and the remaining 25% can be tweaked to fit :-) I can't help but note that KDE is the common thread. The backdrop thing could be X, but X would behave oddly in other WM's too, I'd think. > > > > > 2. In 1024x768 mode you can't have 1 background per desktop in kde > > > (havent tested the others you'll see why in a sec.). Larger modes the > > > background will refresh but in 1024x768 it won't .(Most noticeable on my > > > laptop since thats the largest it will do) Smaller has the same > > > problems. > > > > > > > Whuh? You mean the first backdrop is the only one you get? How about if > > you don't do backdrop pictures and just do colors, does it still act > > wrong? > > Yep. But if I move an application around the screen I can "paint" the > proper backdrop. Note I can duplicate this on ANY comp I've installed. > I usually operate at a higher res but on the laptop this is my limit. > > > > > > 3. I can't use anything but kde! on my laptop. and desktops. Oh I can > > > log into by favorite ... WindowMaker. but it can't load the mandrake > > > menu system doesn't do much good to have a desktop without a menu. > > > Gnome has trouble saving to the home directory some of the settings and > > > it seems to be breeding Icons as well. xcfe and fvmm also have problems > > > loading the mandrake menu. > > > > > > > Now this is sad... we should pass a hat :-) I know I get all upset if > > XFce quits working and I have to log into KDE, make some phone calls, > > take a walk, my goodness hasn't it started yet? Anyway, XFce has modules > > which pick up the menu from GNOME or KDE when starting, so that would > > fix your problem. Not sure if similar exists under wmaker, but if you're > > really desparate I suppose parsing /usr/lib/menu/* is an option. > > > Can't run this from X and if I try it from a tty it won't run. I can't > get to a term window. I need a menu to get to a menu. grumble. > so you're saying xfmenu won't run?? It's a module, not a standalone -- you load it by checking boxes on the last tab in the xfce configger (choose an XFce session, then click the paint palette in the bar). > > > > > 4. On my laptop only (Compaq Armada M700 with a Lynksis 10/100 > > > Etherfast PCMCIA Nic) the ssh connections are slow as molasys. Web > > > surfing ftp etc happens at normal speed. (even over the net, on cable > > > here) but when ssh'd into a server on my LAN or any of a number of other > > > ones I've been on it's like packets get transmitted in bursts. Then for > > > a few seconds it's normal then back to the slowdown. > > > > > > > Could there be traffic shaping going on? Shorewall's default config > > helps ssh rather than hindering it, but it could have been tinkered > > with. Really though, that sounds like a network issue -- I'd expect that > > there's a switch between point a and b which has a misconfigured port. > > I would suspect the same except that it happens in about 5 or 6 > different locations so far. (business the laptop goes where I go.) > > > > > Thoughts questions. pointed fingers and hysterical laughter? :) > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > -- > > Jack Coates > > Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problems I haven't gotten a hold on.
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 11:44, Jack Coates wrote: > On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 09:27, James Sparenberg wrote: > > On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 22:25, Jack Coates wrote: > > > On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 21:43, James Sparenberg wrote: > > > > All. > > > > > > > > Some problems with 9.0 > > > > > > > > 1. On a total of 6 different boxes whenever the cursor is over the > > > > "open" areas of the desktop. I always get a clock Icon. As soon as it > > > > goes back over an application it seems to work just fine. Annoying but > > > > not problematic. > > > > > > > > > > Not that this is a fix, but I've seen this whenever running > > > KDE-influenced apps without the KDE DCOP server running... it gets all > > > confused. It's happened once or twice on 9.0, but not as much as it used > > > to. > > > > Like I said more of an annoyance than a problemHowever someone > > staring at my laptop the other day. (I'd just booted it) noted how long > > it took it to load. (It was fully loaded just the clock cursor on the > > screen.) > > well, this is why there are so many choices for a given task in Linux -- > because 25% of them are going to be poor fits, 50% won't work right, and > the remaining 25% can be tweaked to fit :-) I can't help but note that > KDE is the common thread. The backdrop thing could be X, but X would > behave oddly in other WM's too, I'd think. > > > > > > > > 2. In 1024x768 mode you can't have 1 background per desktop in kde > > > > (havent tested the others you'll see why in a sec.). Larger modes the > > > > background will refresh but in 1024x768 it won't .(Most noticeable on my > > > > laptop since thats the largest it will do) Smaller has the same > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > Whuh? You mean the first backdrop is the only one you get? How about if > > > you don't do backdrop pictures and just do colors, does it still act > > > wrong? > > > > Yep. But if I move an application around the screen I can "paint" the > > proper backdrop. Note I can duplicate this on ANY comp I've installed. > > I usually operate at a higher res but on the laptop this is my limit. > > > > > > > > > 3. I can't use anything but kde! on my laptop. and desktops. Oh I can > > > > log into by favorite ... WindowMaker. but it can't load the mandrake > > > > menu system doesn't do much good to have a desktop without a menu. > > > > Gnome has trouble saving to the home directory some of the settings and > > > > it seems to be breeding Icons as well. xcfe and fvmm also have problems > > > > loading the mandrake menu. > > > > > > > > > > Now this is sad... we should pass a hat :-) I know I get all upset if > > > XFce quits working and I have to log into KDE, make some phone calls, > > > take a walk, my goodness hasn't it started yet? Anyway, XFce has modules > > > which pick up the menu from GNOME or KDE when starting, so that would > > > fix your problem. Not sure if similar exists under wmaker, but if you're > > > really desparate I suppose parsing /usr/lib/menu/* is an option. > > > > > > Can't run this from X and if I try it from a tty it won't run. I can't > > get to a term window. I need a menu to get to a menu. grumble. > > > > so you're saying xfmenu won't run?? It's a module, not a standalone -- > you load it by checking boxes on the last tab in the xfce configger > (choose an XFce session, then click the paint palette in the bar). That's part of the problem... it errors out then as well. Which really sucks as I'd like to use vnc over the net at times and a lightweight manager like windowmaker or ice or XFce are preferable. > > > > > > > > 4. On my laptop only (Compaq Armada M700 with a Lynksis 10/100 > > > > Etherfast PCMCIA Nic) the ssh connections are slow as molasys. Web > > > > surfing ftp etc happens at normal speed. (even over the net, on cable > > > > here) but when ssh'd into a server on my LAN or any of a number of other > > > > ones I've been on it's like packets get transmitted in bursts. Then for > > > > a few seconds it's normal then back to the slowdown. > > > > > > > > > > Could there be traffic shaping going on? Shorewall's default config > > > helps ssh rather than hindering it, but it could have been tinkered > > > with. Really though, that sounds like a network issue -- I'd expect that > > > there's a switch between point a and b which has a misconfigured port. > > > > I would suspect the same except that it happens in about 5 or 6 > > different locations so far. (business the laptop goes where I go.) > > > > > > > Thoughts questions. pointed fingers and hysterical laughter? :) > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > -- > > > Jack Coates > > > Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeS
Re: [expert] Problems I haven't gotten a hold on.
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:14, James Sparenberg wrote: > > > > so you're saying xfmenu won't run?? It's a module, not a standalone -- > > you load it by checking boxes on the last tab in the xfce configger > > (choose an XFce session, then click the paint palette in the bar). > > That's part of the problem... it errors out then as well. Which really > sucks as I'd like to use vnc over the net at times and a lightweight > manager like windowmaker or ice or XFce are preferable. > > I think you should take it to the xfce list -- they're very helpful with bizarre stuff. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problems I haven't gotten a hold on.
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:59, Jack Coates wrote: > On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:14, James Sparenberg wrote: > > > > > > > so you're saying xfmenu won't run?? It's a module, not a standalone -- > > > you load it by checking boxes on the last tab in the xfce configger > > > (choose an XFce session, then click the paint palette in the bar). > > > > That's part of the problem... it errors out then as well. Which really > > sucks as I'd like to use vnc over the net at times and a lightweight > > manager like windowmaker or ice or XFce are preferable. > > > > > I think you should take it to the xfce list -- they're very helpful with > bizarre stuff. > > -- Understand the sentiment.. However it's not limited to XFce It is the same on ANYTHING except kde and gnome. > Jack Coates > Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problems I haven't gotten a hold on.
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 18:17, James Sparenberg wrote: > On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:59, Jack Coates wrote: > > On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:14, James Sparenberg wrote: > > > > > > > > > > so you're saying xfmenu won't run?? It's a module, not a standalone -- > > > > you load it by checking boxes on the last tab in the xfce configger > > > > (choose an XFce session, then click the paint palette in the bar). > > > > > > That's part of the problem... it errors out then as well. Which really > > > sucks as I'd like to use vnc over the net at times and a lightweight > > > manager like windowmaker or ice or XFce are preferable. > > > > > > > > I think you should take it to the xfce list -- they're very helpful with > > bizarre stuff. > > > > -- > > Understand the sentiment.. However it's not limited to XFce It is > the same on ANYTHING except kde and gnome. > So no window manager has menus except KDE and Gnome? Permissions? All menu systems blocked, or is this just the Mandrake menu (e.g. menudrake)? -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problems I haven't gotten a hold on.
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 21:30, Jack Coates wrote: > On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 18:17, James Sparenberg wrote: > > On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:59, Jack Coates wrote: > > > On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 16:14, James Sparenberg wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > so you're saying xfmenu won't run?? It's a module, not a standalone -- > > > > > you load it by checking boxes on the last tab in the xfce configger > > > > > (choose an XFce session, then click the paint palette in the bar). > > > > > > > > That's part of the problem... it errors out then as well. Which really > > > > sucks as I'd like to use vnc over the net at times and a lightweight > > > > manager like windowmaker or ice or XFce are preferable. > > > > > > > > > > > I think you should take it to the xfce list -- they're very helpful with > > > bizarre stuff. > > > > > > -- > > > > Understand the sentiment.. However it's not limited to XFce It is > > the same on ANYTHING except kde and gnome. > > > > So no window manager has menus except KDE and Gnome? Permissions? All > menu systems blocked, or is this just the Mandrake menu (e.g. > menudrake)? Well Mandrake Menu is blocked and as such I can't get to something like wmconf to change or do it manually. No terminals all I have is a logout when I right click (in wmaker) for the menu. James > -- > Jack Coates > Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problems I haven't gotten a hold on.
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 23:21, James Sparenberg wrote: > > > > > > > So no window manager has menus except KDE and Gnome? Permissions? All > > menu systems blocked, or is this just the Mandrake menu (e.g. > > menudrake)? > > Well Mandrake Menu is blocked and as such I can't get to something like > wmconf to change or do it manually. No terminals all I have is a logout > when I right click (in wmaker) for the menu. > > James Very weird, never seen anything like that. Only thing I can think of is to go through install step by step and figure out what you're doing differently. Perhaps the install logs under /root/ could give clues... -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
