[expert] Re: perl(Authen::Smb::Smb)

2003-07-17 Thread Norman Zhang
Hi Bill,

>> I'm trying to upgrade to the latest squid-2.5 proxy server from
>> cooker.

> Onto a system running which release? I take it that it's not Cooker
> that you're running on this box; this sort of mixing is prone to
> these sorts of difficulties, you know ... if the box /is/ running
> Cooker, then using urpmi to install rather than rpm should sort out
> the dependencies nicely.

I'm using LM9.1.

>> However I get the following error
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] nzhang]# rpm -Uvh
>> squid-2.5.STABLE2-2mdk.i586.rpm Preparing...
>>  ### [100%]
>>1:squid
>> ### [100%]
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] nzhang]# rpm -Uvh
>> squid-2.5.STABLE3-1mdk.i586.rpm error: failed dependencies:
>> perl(Authen::Smb::Smb)   is needed by squid-2.5.STABLE3-1mdk
>>
>> Would someone please give me a few pointers on how to troubleshoot
>> this?

> This newer version of Squid needs a Perl module that the earlier one
> did not, and that you don't already have. If you're familiar with
> downloading and installing Perl modules with the CPAN system, you
> might be able to get this module (and possibly others that this
> Squid version may also require) that way, and thereby incorporate
> it/them into your current local Perl installation ... if not, it is
> entirely possible that trying to get it from Cooker will require a
> wholesale updating of your Perl susbsystem (if Cooker is using a
> newer Perl version than your current release does), and $DEITY
> knows what else may need to be upgraded along with it; someone who
> runs Cooker can address that aspect better than I can, once we know
> what Mandrake release /you/ have running.

I was thinking that it was compiled against some newer perl modules in
cooker, but too scared to fiddle around it furthur. Would you know which
particular perl module I need to update to satisfy this dependency?

Thanks for your detail explanation.

Regards,
Norman




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[expert] Re: perl(Authen::Smb::Smb)

2003-07-17 Thread Norman Zhang
Hi,

Bill Mullen wrote:
> ... which you really ought to do something about, Norman. I know that
> Outbreak Express is a brain-dead mail app, but surely it has some
> sort of way to turn off all the superfluous MIME nonsense and just
> send plain text? It must, I've seen it done - I'm sure of it. Ask
> around.

I have always set OE to read and send in PLAIN text. So I don't realize the
MIME part. But the following post doesn't seem to pickup MIME either... I
will try Mozilla or KMail to see if the MIME part is visible.

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-expert&m=105845340228290&w=2

> But you haven't addressed the really important question - what is it
> that you expect to get from the Cooker version of Squid that the
> version that is known to install and work properly in Mandrake 9.1
> does not offer you?

I need wb_group feature from the squid-2.5.STABLE3-1mdk.i586.rpm. wb_group
allows proxy access per NT_Global_Group. It takes advantage of winbind from
Samba. I managed to get this working by installing the previous
squid-2.5.STABLE2-2mdk.i586.rpm (from cooker-no dependency error). Compiled
squid-2.5.STABLE3 myself, copied wb_group to /usr/lib/squid. But that's a
workaround. I was hoping the new cooker rpm would solve the problem.

Regards,
Norman

[root nzhang]# rpm -Uvh squid-2.5.STABLE2-2mdk.i586.rpm
Preparing... ### [100%]
   1:squid   ### [100%]
[root nzhang]# rpm -Uvh squid-2.5.STABLE3-1mdk.i586.rpm
error: failed dependencies:
perl(Authen::Smb::Smb)   is needed by squid-2.5.STABLE3-1mdk





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Re: [expert] Re: perl(Authen::Smb::Smb)

2003-07-17 Thread Tru64 User
--- Norman Zhang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Bill,
> 
> >> I'm trying to upgrade to the latest squid-2.5
> proxy server from
> >> cooker.
> 
> > Onto a system running which release? I take it
> that it's not Cooker
> > that you're running on this box; this sort of
> mixing is prone to
> > these sorts of difficulties, you know ... if the
> box /is/ running
> > Cooker, then using urpmi to install rather than
> rpm should sort out
> > the dependencies nicely.
> 
> I'm using LM9.1.
> 
> >> However I get the following error
> >>
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] nzhang]# rpm -Uvh
> >> squid-2.5.STABLE2-2mdk.i586.rpm Preparing...
> >>  ###
> [100%]
> >>1:squid
> >> ###
> [100%]
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] nzhang]# rpm -Uvh
> >> squid-2.5.STABLE3-1mdk.i586.rpm error: failed
> dependencies:
> >> perl(Authen::Smb::Smb)   is needed by
> squid-2.5.STABLE3-1mdk
> >>
> >> Would someone please give me a few pointers on
> how to troubleshoot
> >> this?
> 
> > This newer version of Squid needs a Perl module
> that the earlier one
> > did not, and that you don't already have. If
> you're familiar with
> > downloading and installing Perl modules with the
> CPAN system, you
> > might be able to get this module (and possibly
> others that this
> > Squid version may also require) that way, and
> thereby incorporate
> > it/them into your current local Perl installation
> ... if not, it is
> > entirely possible that trying to get it from
> Cooker will require a
> > wholesale updating of your Perl susbsystem (if
> Cooker is using a
> > newer Perl version than your current release
> does), and $DEITY
> > knows what else may need to be upgraded along with
> it; someone who
> > runs Cooker can address that aspect better than I
> can, once we know
> > what Mandrake release /you/ have running.
> 
> I was thinking that it was compiled against some
> newer perl modules in
> cooker, but too scared to fiddle around it furthur.
> Would you know which
> particular perl module I need to update to satisfy
> this dependency?
> 
> Thanks for your detail explanation.
> 
> Regards,
> Norman
> 
>From the error message, it seems that it needs this
erl module:
Authen::Smb

Use:
perl -MCPAN -e shell

>install Authen::Smb

That should do it for the module part.

_Thanks

Richard Mollel





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Re: [expert] Re: perl(Authen::Smb::Smb)

2003-07-17 Thread Bill Mullen
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Norman Zhang wrote:

> This is a multi-part message in MIME format...

... which you really ought to do something about, Norman. I know that
Outbreak Express is a brain-dead mail app, but surely it has some sort of
way to turn off all the superfluous MIME nonsense and just send plain
text? It must, I've seen it done - I'm sure of it. Ask around.

> I was thinking that it was compiled against some newer perl modules in
> cooker, but too scared to fiddle around it furthur. Would you know which
> particular perl module I need to update to satisfy this dependency?

Well, that's the problem ... if you grab a specific Perl RPM from Cooker 
that contains the module you want, but Cooker is using a newer base Perl 
version (which it may or may not be, I have no idea), then you'll have to 
upgrade /all/ of your Perl-related RPMs to their Cooker equivalents, and 
also anything which depends on even a single one of them, and whatever may 
depend on /that/ stuff, and so on, and so on ... which is why we say here 
that mixing Cooker RPMs into a release version of Mandrake is generally a 
dicey proposition, at best. It really /is/ a separate distro of its own, 
as I tried to explain in my previous post.

As for the module you need, it's in your subject line. :)

But you haven't addressed the really important question - what is it that 
you expect to get from the Cooker version of Squid that the version that 
is known to install and work properly in Mandrake 9.1 does not offer you?

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Re: [expert] Re: perl(Authen::Smb::Smb)

2003-07-17 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 17 Jul 2003 4:16 pm, Bill Mullen wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Norman Zhang wrote:
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format...
>
> ... which you really ought to do something about, Norman. I know
> that Outbreak Express is a brain-dead mail app, but surely it has
> some sort of way to turn off all the superfluous MIME nonsense and
> just send plain text? It must, I've seen it done - I'm sure of it.
> Ask around.
>
This is something that comes up regularly - a FAQ in fact.  If someone 
can tell him how to do it, can we please have a TWiki entry?

Anne

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Re: [expert] Re: perl(Authen::Smb::Smb)

2003-07-17 Thread haywiremac
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:16:11 -0400 (EDT)
Bill Mullen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> ... which you really ought to do something about, Norman. I know that
> Outbreak Express is a brain-dead mail app, but surely it has some sort of
> way to turn off all the superfluous MIME nonsense and just send plain
> text? It must, I've seen it done - I'm sure of it. Ask around.

It *is* sent in plain text. As others have pointed out, the mutipart is because of the 
*footer* added by the list server.

He is not sending html, rtf, or anything offensive to the list requirements as far as 
I can see.

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Re: [expert] Re: perl(Authen::Smb::Smb)

2003-07-17 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 17 Jul 2003 7:30 pm, haywiremac wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:16:11 -0400 (EDT)
>
> Bill Mullen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ... which you really ought to do something about, Norman. I know
> > that Outbreak Express is a brain-dead mail app, but surely it has
> > some sort of way to turn off all the superfluous MIME nonsense
> > and just send plain text? It must, I've seen it done - I'm sure
> > of it. Ask around.
>
> It *is* sent in plain text. As others have pointed out, the
> mutipart is because of the *footer* added by the list server.
>
> He is not sending html, rtf, or anything offensive to the list
> requirements as far as I can see.
>
> Cheers!

I copied  his last message into the one folder where I allow trusted 
html.  It displayed as plain text

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Re: [expert] Re: perl(Authen::Smb::Smb)

2003-07-18 Thread Bill Mullen
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Anne Wilson wrote:

> On Thursday 17 Jul 2003 7:30 pm, haywiremac wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:16:11 -0400 (EDT)
> >
> > Bill Mullen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > ... which you really ought to do something about, Norman. I know
> > > that Outbreak Express is a brain-dead mail app, but surely it has
> > > some sort of way to turn off all the superfluous MIME nonsense and
> > > just send plain text? It must, I've seen it done - I'm sure of it.
> > > Ask around.
> >
> > It *is* sent in plain text. As others have pointed out, the mutipart
> > is because of the *footer* added by the list server.
> >
> > He is not sending html, rtf, or anything offensive to the list
> > requirements as far as I can see.
> 
> I copied his last message into the one folder where I allow trusted
> html.  It displayed as plain text

I probably shouldn't even be posting this, but I hate being misunderstood,
and generally put considerable effort into making myself as clear as I can
in my posts, none of which appears to be working for me in this instance.

My complaint in regards to Norman's OE posts are *not* a multipart issue
(as /everyone's/ posts here are multipart, but his posts are /not/ like
everyone else's), nor are they an HTML vs. plaintext issue (as he clearly
does not post in HTML, and has confirmed that fact himself). Nor am I 
alleging that he has violated any specific requirement of this list.

The issue is that OE is including in the *body* text of his messages some 
non-compliant MIME-related stuff - which I fully realize that OE will not 
let him see in the manner that others can see it. While I do not use OE, I 
have in the past, and ISTR that it has something to do with a setting in 
the preferences somewhere involving "quoted-printable" vs. "8-bit chars", 
or something along those lines. But it may be something else in there.

Viewing the raw message (headers and all) in any mail client, including
OE, should clarify exactly what I am referring to here, especially when 
the *body* of that message is contrasted with others here on the list. 

Upon further investigation, the problem appears to hinge on what OE does
*not* include in his posts, but all the various other standards-compliant
mailers *do* include. I refer to the lack of a "Content-Type" declaration
just after the first MIME boundary.

An excerpt from the raw view of his original post:

> Subject: [expert] perl(Authen::Smb::Smb)
> Content-type: multipart/mixed; 
boundary="--=_1058395872-5877-492"
> Status: RO
> X-Status: A
> X-Keywords:
> X-UID: 2921
> 
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format...
> 
> =_1058395872-5877-492
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to upgrade to the latest squid-2.5 proxy server from cooker.
> However I get the following error

An similar excerpt from the post to which I am replying:

> Content-type: multipart/mixed; 
boundary="--=_1058469064-5877-779"
> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Status: RO
> X-Status: 
> X-Keywords: 
> X-UID: 2974
> 
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format...
> 
> =_1058469064-5877-779
> Content-Type: text/plain;
>   charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Content-Disposition: inline
> 
> On Thursday 17 Jul 2003 7:30 pm, haywiremac wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:16:11 -0400 (EDT)
> >
> > Bill Mullen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

One upshot of this incorrect encoding is that when I attempt to view his
messages using SquirrelMail rather than my usual Pine, the body text of
the entire message itself is not visible at *all*. All that's there is the
footer that is tacked on by Sympa. Nothing more.

While I readily concede that part of my motivation in bringing the issue
up at all is that I personally find that cruft distracting, I would not
have mentioned it but for the fact that it was clear to me that he had no
idea that this was occurring, and I for one like to be informed when my
software is exhibiting behaviors of which I am unaware, especially when
those behaviors vary to some degree from the "norm".

I am now quite sorry I ever brought the whole thing up. My apologies to
all concerned, and I will not raise the issue again in this forum.

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Re: [expert] Re: perl(Authen::Smb::Smb)

2003-07-18 Thread Anne Wilson
On Friday 18 Jul 2003 5:47 pm, Bill Mullen wrote:

> I am now quite sorry I ever brought the whole thing up. My
> apologies to all concerned, and I will not raise the issue again in
> this forum.

Bill, there obviously has been some misunderstanding, but personally 
I'm glad you did bring it up, and even more glad that you wrote this 
last message, as it explains differences that have puzzled me when I 
have tried to understand the different header sets that I sometimes 
see.  In future I will be checking to see whether all the 'oddities' 
come from OE

Anne

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