Re: [expert] Re-installing LILO after Win98
--- Trevor Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mage Grimau wrote: > > > I ended up with a 7M /boot partition, 2 - 2G FAT16 > > partitions (Win98 & NT tend to screw up each > other's > > "Program Files" directories when on the same > > partition) and a 16G / partition. So far, they're > all > > happy (except Win98 seems to like corrupting its > own > > space frequently, but I already knew that). > > Thanks for all the help, folks. > > I'm Mandraked! > > Another M$ feature - Win 9x can use FAT16 or FAT32, > Win NT can use FAT16 > or NTFS, so if you want to run both, you need to use > FAT16 at least on a > common partition, BUT FAT16 is so damn inefficient > on large drives > >~500Mb. I would suggest using 3 partitions: FAT32 > for Win9x, NTFS for > NT, and a 500Mb FAT16 partition for storing common > fiiles or > transferring files. This means that neither OS can > see the other's > files, and therefore can't trash them! But, then, do > you really need > both NT and Win9x on the same box??? We have an NT > domain at work, but > I use my Win95 box to administer it from home - most > functions work OK. > As we also have terminal server setup on one of the > NT servers, I can > use it for those times when I need to use NT, or the > modem is to slow. > We also use VNC, for which there is a Linux version, > so soon, perhaps, I > will be able to do all the NT admin from my Linux > box - one step closer > to a M$-free household! > > > > Win98 for games that won't run under anything else, NT for work, and Linux for fun. Notice Linux is 4/5 of my drive. :) = Mage Grimau, Strange Unwashed & Somewhat Slightly Dazed __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: [expert] Re-installing LILO after Win98
Mage Grimau wrote: > I ended up with a 7M /boot partition, 2 - 2G FAT16 > partitions (Win98 & NT tend to screw up each other's > "Program Files" directories when on the same > partition) and a 16G / partition. So far, they're all > happy (except Win98 seems to like corrupting its own > space frequently, but I already knew that). > Thanks for all the help, folks. > I'm Mandraked! Another M$ feature - Win 9x can use FAT16 or FAT32, Win NT can use FAT16 or NTFS, so if you want to run both, you need to use FAT16 at least on a common partition, BUT FAT16 is so damn inefficient on large drives >~500Mb. I would suggest using 3 partitions: FAT32 for Win9x, NTFS for NT, and a 500Mb FAT16 partition for storing common fiiles or transferring files. This means that neither OS can see the other's files, and therefore can't trash them! But, then, do you really need both NT and Win9x on the same box??? We have an NT domain at work, but I use my Win95 box to administer it from home - most functions work OK. As we also have terminal server setup on one of the NT servers, I can use it for those times when I need to use NT, or the modem is to slow. We also use VNC, for which there is a Linux version, so soon, perhaps, I will be able to do all the NT admin from my Linux box - one step closer to a M$-free household!
Re: [expert] Re-installing LILO after Win98
Mage Grimau wrote: > I ended up with a 7M /boot partition, 2 - 2G FAT16 > partitions (Win98 & NT tend to screw up each other's > "Program Files" directories when on the same > partition) and a 16G / partition. So far, they're all > happy (except Win98 seems to like corrupting its own > space frequently, but I already knew that). I've noticed that about Windows, but I thought that was supposed to be a 'feature'??? :-o Michael Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Thanks for all the help, folks. > I'm Mandraked! > > --- John Aldrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, you wrote: > > > One thing you might try if you wish to install > > Mandrake first is to create a > > > partition (~100 MB) and name it's mount point > > "/boot". > > > > > Umm... Ok. I'll bite. Why so large? It's only going > > to hold the kernel and > > system map, etc. That's a grand total of under a > > meg. Even using FDISK, I > > couldn't make a partition smaller than about 15-20 > > megs, which is MUCH more > > than I need, and I've got about 4 different kernels > > and system maps, etc in > > there. :-) > > John > > > > = > Mage Grimau, Strange Unwashed & Somewhat Slightly Dazed > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com
Re: [expert] Re-installing LILO after Win98
I ended up with a 7M /boot partition, 2 - 2G FAT16 partitions (Win98 & NT tend to screw up each other's "Program Files" directories when on the same partition) and a 16G / partition. So far, they're all happy (except Win98 seems to like corrupting its own space frequently, but I already knew that). Thanks for all the help, folks. I'm Mandraked! --- John Aldrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, you wrote: > > One thing you might try if you wish to install > Mandrake first is to create a > > partition (~100 MB) and name it's mount point > "/boot". > > > Umm... Ok. I'll bite. Why so large? It's only going > to hold the kernel and > system map, etc. That's a grand total of under a > meg. Even using FDISK, I > couldn't make a partition smaller than about 15-20 > megs, which is MUCH more > than I need, and I've got about 4 different kernels > and system maps, etc in > there. :-) > John > = Mage Grimau, Strange Unwashed & Somewhat Slightly Dazed __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: [expert] Re-installing LILO after Win98
You have a point, I merely was following advice from the documentation packaged with SuSE 6.1. I've never tried less space. On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, you wrote: > John Aldrich wrote: > > > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, you wrote: > > > One thing you might try if you wish to install Mandrake first is to create a > > > partition (~100 MB) and name it's mount point "/boot". > > > > > Umm... Ok. I'll bite. Why so large? It's only going to hold the kernel and > > system map, etc. That's a grand total of under a meg. Even using FDISK, I > > couldn't make a partition smaller than about 15-20 megs, which is MUCH more > > than I need, and I've got about 4 different kernels and system maps, etc in > > there. :-) > > John > > You really don't need 100MB, if you use the Mandrake installer, you can set the > size of the boot partition with that. I would go maybe 20MB which is, as you > said, plenty. From there, go ahead and do your install of Mandrake, then do > Windows, and just use your Linux boot disk that you created on install to boot > Linux again, configure lilo.conf like so: << remaining portions deleted >>
Re: [expert] Re-installing LILO after Win98
100M? You can easily use 1/10 of that for /boot. Heck, I use just 64M for /. (I have /usr, /tmp, /var, /home, and /usr/local in separate partitions, though.) On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, you wrote: | One thing you might try if you wish to install Mandrake first is to create a | partition (~100 MB) and name it's mount point "/boot". You would have another | (larger) partition with the mount point "/". Be sure to create a bootdisk for | your system when the option appears. Then, during the LILO configuration, | choose to install LILO on the first sector of the boot partition (NOT the MBR). | Complete the install, but you will not be able to boot into Mandrake via the | hard drive (yet). Now install windows. Then reboot into Mandrake with the boot | disk. Now you should be able to manually update the /etc/lilo.conf file and run | lilo, or other methods to update LILO (like Linuxconf, or even booting off the | CD and running the Upgrade option this time). This time you may install LILO | into the MBR if you wish. | | FYI, lately I prefer to keep LILO in a /boot partition since then it works very | well with other boot managers like WinNT (which must be done) or the BeOS | bootman. Sometimes you have to copy the bootsector to a file with the dd | command and place it in the other OS's partition to make it function correctly. | There is a WinNT (mini?-)HOWTO on doing exactly this procedure. Also the site | www.mandrakeuser.org has step by step instructions on dual-booting with NT. | | Good Luck, | | -Jim O. | | | On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, you wrote: | > Yes, Windows (any version) will overwrite the MBR on install, you just | > install Windows first or reinstall lilo after installing another OS and | > problem will be solved. | > Michael Holt | > [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > | > - Original Message - | > From: "Trevor Farrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 2:40 AM | > Subject: Re: [expert] Re-installing LILO after Win98 | > | > | > > Mage Grimau wrote: | > > | > > > I'm trying to get my machine to dual-boot Win98 and | > > > linux. After I install linux (have to do it first or | > > > the partitioning doesn't work right) I installed | > > > Win98. Then I tried to use my linux boot disk to | > > > reload LILO, but it says "/dev/hda1 has no boot | > > > record" and quits without doing anything useful. | > > > /dev/hda1 is the 7M partition I mount as /boot. I | > > > assume I'm doing something wrong, but I can't figure | > > > out what (besides adding Win98, that is). | > > > | > > > = | > > > Mage Grimau, Strange Unwashed & Somewhat Slightly Dazed | > > > | > > > __ | > > > Do You Yahoo!? | > > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. | > > > http://im.yahoo.com | > > | > > I could be wrong, but I believe that Windows writes its boot loader to | > > the first active partition (usually c: or hda1). In your case, this is | > > also the linux boot partition, hence your problem. If the other | > > suggestions don't work, I suggest you let Windows have the first | > > partition, even if it means having 2 fat32 partitions, with the /boot | > > partition between them. | > > | > > I've done plenty of dual boot installs and never had a problem, but I've | > > always had M$ os's on the first partition, and linux further up the | > > disk, or on a second disk. | > > | > > Trevor | > > | -- | .~. | /V\ | // \\ | /( )\ | ^`~'^ -- "Brian, the man from babbleon-on" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian T. Schellenberger http://www.babbleon.org Support http://www.eff.org. Support decss defendents. Support http://www.programming-freedom.org. Boycott amazon.com.
Re: [expert] Re-installing LILO after Win98
John Aldrich wrote: > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, you wrote: > > One thing you might try if you wish to install Mandrake first is to create a > > partition (~100 MB) and name it's mount point "/boot". > > > Umm... Ok. I'll bite. Why so large? It's only going to hold the kernel and > system map, etc. That's a grand total of under a meg. Even using FDISK, I > couldn't make a partition smaller than about 15-20 megs, which is MUCH more > than I need, and I've got about 4 different kernels and system maps, etc in > there. :-) > John You really don't need 100MB, if you use the Mandrake installer, you can set the size of the boot partition with that. I would go maybe 20MB which is, as you said, plenty. From there, go ahead and do your install of Mandrake, then do Windows, and just use your Linux boot disk that you created on install to boot Linux again, configure lilo.conf like so: boot=/dev/hdaN (where N equals the partition number) map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b vga=normal default=linux(or windows if you prefer) keytable=/boot/us.klt message=/boot/message image=/boot/vmlinuz label=linux root=/dev/hdaN append="" read-only other=/dev/hdaN label=windows table=/dev/hda You can type whatever you want for the labels, and you'll have to give the correct partition number for your OS's so that lilo can find them. (If you make /boot your first partition it will be /dev/hda1 and so on; the Master boot record is not the same as /boot, it's hidden from you so you don't count it as a partition number) Then save and exit, find a terminal window and type 'lilo' so that lilo sees the changes, and reboot your computer. Michael Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] Re-installing LILO after Win98
On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, you wrote: > One thing you might try if you wish to install Mandrake first is to create a > partition (~100 MB) and name it's mount point "/boot". > Umm... Ok. I'll bite. Why so large? It's only going to hold the kernel and system map, etc. That's a grand total of under a meg. Even using FDISK, I couldn't make a partition smaller than about 15-20 megs, which is MUCH more than I need, and I've got about 4 different kernels and system maps, etc in there. :-) John
Re: [expert] Re-installing LILO after Win98
One thing you might try if you wish to install Mandrake first is to create a partition (~100 MB) and name it's mount point "/boot". You would have another (larger) partition with the mount point "/". Be sure to create a bootdisk for your system when the option appears. Then, during the LILO configuration, choose to install LILO on the first sector of the boot partition (NOT the MBR). Complete the install, but you will not be able to boot into Mandrake via the hard drive (yet). Now install windows. Then reboot into Mandrake with the boot disk. Now you should be able to manually update the /etc/lilo.conf file and run lilo, or other methods to update LILO (like Linuxconf, or even booting off the CD and running the Upgrade option this time). This time you may install LILO into the MBR if you wish. FYI, lately I prefer to keep LILO in a /boot partition since then it works very well with other boot managers like WinNT (which must be done) or the BeOS bootman. Sometimes you have to copy the bootsector to a file with the dd command and place it in the other OS's partition to make it function correctly. There is a WinNT (mini?-)HOWTO on doing exactly this procedure. Also the site www.mandrakeuser.org has step by step instructions on dual-booting with NT. Good Luck, -Jim O. On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, you wrote: > Yes, Windows (any version) will overwrite the MBR on install, you just > install Windows first or reinstall lilo after installing another OS and > problem will be solved. > Michael Holt > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Original Message - > From: "Trevor Farrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 2:40 AM > Subject: Re: [expert] Re-installing LILO after Win98 > > > > Mage Grimau wrote: > > > > > I'm trying to get my machine to dual-boot Win98 and > > > linux. After I install linux (have to do it first or > > > the partitioning doesn't work right) I installed > > > Win98. Then I tried to use my linux boot disk to > > > reload LILO, but it says "/dev/hda1 has no boot > > > record" and quits without doing anything useful. > > > /dev/hda1 is the 7M partition I mount as /boot. I > > > assume I'm doing something wrong, but I can't figure > > > out what (besides adding Win98, that is). > > > > > > = > > > Mage Grimau, Strange Unwashed & Somewhat Slightly Dazed > > > > > > __ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > I could be wrong, but I believe that Windows writes its boot loader to > > the first active partition (usually c: or hda1). In your case, this is > > also the linux boot partition, hence your problem. If the other > > suggestions don't work, I suggest you let Windows have the first > > partition, even if it means having 2 fat32 partitions, with the /boot > > partition between them. > > > > I've done plenty of dual boot installs and never had a problem, but I've > > always had M$ os's on the first partition, and linux further up the > > disk, or on a second disk. > > > > Trevor > > -- .~. /V\ // \\ /( )\ ^`~'^
Re: [expert] Re-installing LILO after Win98
--- Mike & Tracy Holt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, Windows (any version) will overwrite the MBR on > install, you just > install Windows first or reinstall lilo after > installing another OS and > problem will be solved. > Michael Holt > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Original Message - > From: "Trevor Farrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 2:40 AM > Subject: Re: [expert] Re-installing LILO after Win98 > > > > Mage Grimau wrote: > > > > > I'm trying to get my machine to dual-boot Win98 > and > > > linux. After I install linux (have to do it > first or > > > the partitioning doesn't work right) I installed > > > Win98. Then I tried to use my linux boot disk to > > > reload LILO, but it says "/dev/hda1 has no boot > > > record" and quits without doing anything useful. > > > /dev/hda1 is the 7M partition I mount as /boot. > I > > > assume I'm doing something wrong, but I can't > figure > > > out what (besides adding Win98, that is). > > > > > > = > > > Mage Grimau, Strange Unwashed & Somewhat > Slightly Dazed > > > > > > > __ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! > Messenger. > > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > I could be wrong, but I believe that Windows > writes its boot loader to > > the first active partition (usually c: or hda1). > In your case, this is > > also the linux boot partition, hence your problem. > If the other > > suggestions don't work, I suggest you let Windows > have the first > > partition, even if it means having 2 fat32 > partitions, with the /boot > > partition between them. > > > > I've done plenty of dual boot installs and never > had a problem, but I've > > always had M$ os's on the first partition, and > linux further up the > > disk, or on a second disk. > > > > Trevor > > > > Running LILO worked. Oddly enough, after I got Win98 and Mandrake both running, I added NT and it behaved properly - it didn't screw up the linux boot, so I now have linux, Win98, and NT all happily sharing the same 20G HD. = Mage Grimau, Strange Unwashed & Somewhat Slightly Dazed __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: [expert] Re-installing LILO after Win98
Trevor Farrell wrote: > Mage Grimau wrote: > > > I'm trying to get my machine to dual-boot Win98 and > > linux. After I install linux (have to do it first or > > the partitioning doesn't work right) I installed > > Win98. Then I tried to use my linux boot disk to > > reload LILO, but it says "/dev/hda1 has no boot > > record" and quits without doing anything useful. > > /dev/hda1 is the 7M partition I mount as /boot. I > > assume I'm doing something wrong, but I can't figure > > out what (besides adding Win98, that is). > > > > = > > Mage Grimau, Strange Unwashed & Somewhat Slightly Dazed > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com > > I could be wrong, but I believe that Windows writes its boot loader to > the first active partition (usually c: or hda1). In your case, this is > also the linux boot partition, hence your problem. If the other > suggestions don't work, I suggest you let Windows have the first > partition, even if it means having 2 fat32 partitions, with the /boot > partition between them. > > I've done plenty of dual boot installs and never had a problem, but I've > always had M$ os's on the first partition, and linux further up the > disk, or on a second disk. > > Trevor Yes it does... wintendo always want to be the first...! What I have done, is install win98 win95 or whatever version of M$ first... then install linux second... that actually works. Another thing I've done sometimes is install wintendo in the first hd (as supposed) then move that hd drive as second hd (hdb) and then install linux in the second hd (hda) and installing LILO to take care of the boot process. After linux has started modified the lilo conf and add the wintendo in (hdb) then add the entry in fstab so you can have access to your files in /wind errr whatever. I hope this helps, I have used both of these approaches and both work. LILO takes care of the dual boot nicely. Sergio
Re: [expert] Re-installing LILO after Win98
Yes, Windows (any version) will overwrite the MBR on install, you just install Windows first or reinstall lilo after installing another OS and problem will be solved. Michael Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Trevor Farrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 2:40 AM Subject: Re: [expert] Re-installing LILO after Win98 > Mage Grimau wrote: > > > I'm trying to get my machine to dual-boot Win98 and > > linux. After I install linux (have to do it first or > > the partitioning doesn't work right) I installed > > Win98. Then I tried to use my linux boot disk to > > reload LILO, but it says "/dev/hda1 has no boot > > record" and quits without doing anything useful. > > /dev/hda1 is the 7M partition I mount as /boot. I > > assume I'm doing something wrong, but I can't figure > > out what (besides adding Win98, that is). > > > > = > > Mage Grimau, Strange Unwashed & Somewhat Slightly Dazed > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com > > I could be wrong, but I believe that Windows writes its boot loader to > the first active partition (usually c: or hda1). In your case, this is > also the linux boot partition, hence your problem. If the other > suggestions don't work, I suggest you let Windows have the first > partition, even if it means having 2 fat32 partitions, with the /boot > partition between them. > > I've done plenty of dual boot installs and never had a problem, but I've > always had M$ os's on the first partition, and linux further up the > disk, or on a second disk. > > Trevor >
Re: [expert] Re-installing LILO after Win98
Mage Grimau wrote: > I'm trying to get my machine to dual-boot Win98 and > linux. After I install linux (have to do it first or > the partitioning doesn't work right) I installed > Win98. Then I tried to use my linux boot disk to > reload LILO, but it says "/dev/hda1 has no boot > record" and quits without doing anything useful. > /dev/hda1 is the 7M partition I mount as /boot. I > assume I'm doing something wrong, but I can't figure > out what (besides adding Win98, that is). > > = > Mage Grimau, Strange Unwashed & Somewhat Slightly Dazed > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com I could be wrong, but I believe that Windows writes its boot loader to the first active partition (usually c: or hda1). In your case, this is also the linux boot partition, hence your problem. If the other suggestions don't work, I suggest you let Windows have the first partition, even if it means having 2 fat32 partitions, with the /boot partition between them. I've done plenty of dual boot installs and never had a problem, but I've always had M$ os's on the first partition, and linux further up the disk, or on a second disk. Trevor
Re: [expert] Re-installing LILO after Win98
Annoying isn't it?! Windows automatically assumes that it's the only kid on the block and overwrites your Master boot record when you install. Anyway, just stick your rescue disk (the one you made when you installed your system) in and reboot; when you get back into Linux, you can configure your lilo.conf file (found under /etc) to reflect your dual boot situation and then run the command 'lilo' from the prompt and you should be good to go. Michael Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Mage Grimau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 10:11 AM Subject: [expert] Re-installing LILO after Win98 > I'm trying to get my machine to dual-boot Win98 and > linux. After I install linux (have to do it first or > the partitioning doesn't work right) I installed > Win98. Then I tried to use my linux boot disk to > reload LILO, but it says "/dev/hda1 has no boot > record" and quits without doing anything useful. > /dev/hda1 is the 7M partition I mount as /boot. I > assume I'm doing something wrong, but I can't figure > out what (besides adding Win98, that is). > > > = > Mage Grimau, Strange Unwashed & Somewhat Slightly Dazed > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com >
Re: [expert] Re-installing LILO after Win98
At 10:11 AM 03/27/2000 -0800, Mage Grimau wrote: >I'm trying to get my machine to dual-boot Win98 and >linux. After I install linux (have to do it first or >the partitioning doesn't work right) I installed >Win98. Then I tried to use my linux boot disk to >reload LILO, but it says "/dev/hda1 has no boot >record" and quits without doing anything useful. >/dev/hda1 is the 7M partition I mount as /boot. I >assume I'm doing something wrong, but I can't figure >out what (besides adding Win98, that is). If you have an emergency boot floppy, boot from it. It will boot with the boot disk as the floppy, but the root as your hard drive. When you're up and logged in, do '/sbin/lilo'.
[expert] Re-installing LILO after Win98
I'm trying to get my machine to dual-boot Win98 and linux. After I install linux (have to do it first or the partitioning doesn't work right) I installed Win98. Then I tried to use my linux boot disk to reload LILO, but it says "/dev/hda1 has no boot record" and quits without doing anything useful. /dev/hda1 is the 7M partition I mount as /boot. I assume I'm doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what (besides adding Win98, that is). = Mage Grimau, Strange Unwashed & Somewhat Slightly Dazed __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
