Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, Ron Johnson wrote: | Dave Lers wrote: | | telnet-server | | H. Since I have telnetd, but don't have the telnet-server | rpm, where does /usr/sbin/in.telnetd come from? | | Is there an rpm command to find which rpm contains a certain | file? | | # rpm -qal | grep telnetd | /usr/man/man8/in.telnetd.8.bz2 | /usr/man/man8/telnetd.8.bz2 | /usr/sbin/in.telnetd | | "rpm -qal | grep telnetd" almost works, but not quite... rpm -qf /usr/sbin/in.telnetd
Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
Check out the "cooker" links for the most up-to-date "official" stuff, which, however, may or may not be compatible with the current production release. You can also try rpmfind.net. ptah wrote: Dave Lers wrote: telnet-server this maybe an obvious answer, but where can I find mandrake rpms that were not included in my 7.0 distriubtion? updates or new programs and such. I checked the main ftp server under 7.0 and it was all the stuff I already had.. For example when a program like gnome updates or enlightenment updates come available, are they placed on the ftp servers of mandrake? I remeber at one time being at a web site that was called mandrake users or something along those lines, but lost the location. I usually just download a tgz files and compile it myself. thanks for any help in advance. -- "Brian, the man from babble-on" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian T. Schellenberger http://www.babbleon.org Support http://www.eff.org. Support decss defendents. Support http://www.programming-freedom.org. Boycott amazon.com.
Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: Of course the client and server are separate packages. However, telnetd is the telnet Daemon, and is therefore part of the SERVER. You don't need a daemon for a client. Ok. But if the guy doesn't have telnet-server installed, how the heck did he get the telnetd installed? :-) John
Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: WHY you aren't reading closely is beyond me: I'm using Mdk6.0. You are looking at *stable/current*, which is 7.0-2. This may be one of the changes Mdk made when they moved from being a RH clone. This is from my Mdk6.0 CD-ROM: $ ls /cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS/telnet* /cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS/telnet-0.10-8mdk.i586.rpm And this is from my HD: $ rpm -qf /usr/sbin/in.telnetd telnet-0.10-8mdk Hmm...I could've sworn they started splitting 'em back in 6.0. Unfortunately, I no longer have a Mandrake 6.0 system installed. I've been on this list for awhile now and I could've sworn that 6.0 was when they split off the server from the client. Oh, well. My bad for not realizing you were on 6.0. Musta started back in 6.1 instead of 6.0. John
Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
My point exactly... Or didn't you see the G at the end of that sentence Gary Bunker wrote: You only need the telnet Daemon running if you intend to telnet into your machine. The Client can run without a local daemon, it just needs a daemon on the server it wishes to communicate with. Therefore, there is no need to install the TelnetD package unless you plan to host telnet services. Unless I'm completely insane and mistaken about all the Unix and VMS stuff I've been using for the past 10 years, this is a normal way of doing client/server stuff. On 30 Apr, Russ Johnson wrote: Um, yes you do. A client without a daemon is like a key without a lock. G Either way. Linux does not use "telnetd", it uses the superserver "inetd" and then that calls "in.telnetd" to start the inbound login session. That is what is installed by the telnet-server rpm. On my systems, the "telnetd" is a subdirectory in /usr/lib, that contains the binary "login", which will be needed no matter whether you allow inbound telnet or not. Russ Gary Bunker wrote: Of course the client and server are separate packages. However, telnetd is the telnet Daemon, and is therefore part of the SERVER. You don't need a daemon for a client. On 30 Apr, John Aldrich wrote: On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: But then how come I have telnetd but don't have telnet-server? Listen closely as I repeat myself: THE TELNET SERVER IS A SEPARATE PACKAGE Just because you have "telnetd" does NOT mean you have telnet-server installed! That is a SEPARATE PACKAGE FROM TELNET!!! Apparently, Mandrake, in -- --- Nil Carborundum Illegitimi http://andysocial.com -- --- Nil Carborundum Illegitimi http://andysocial.com
Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
I suspect it's just the directory telnetd, which contains the binary "login". He'll need that. Russ John Aldrich wrote: On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: Of course the client and server are separate packages. However, telnetd is the telnet Daemon, and is therefore part of the SERVER. You don't need a daemon for a client. Ok. But if the guy doesn't have telnet-server installed, how the heck did he get the telnetd installed? :-) John
Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
AG wrote: On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, Ron Johnson wrote: | Dave Lers wrote: | | telnet-server | | H. Since I have telnetd, but don't have the telnet-server | rpm, where does /usr/sbin/in.telnetd come from? | | Is there an rpm command to find which rpm contains a certain | file? | | # rpm -qal | grep telnetd | /usr/man/man8/in.telnetd.8.bz2 | /usr/man/man8/telnetd.8.bz2 | /usr/sbin/in.telnetd | | "rpm -qal | grep telnetd" almost works, but not quite... rpm -qf /usr/sbin/in.telnetd Thank you. Someone else suggested that and that says: $ rpm -qf /usr/sbin/in.telnetd telnet-0.10-8mdk Boy, did *that* start a pissing match... Ron -- +--+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA WWW : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | Most overused words: feel, cool/kewl, fun, myBlah.com| | Most underused word: think | +--+
Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
John Aldrich wrote: On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: Of course the client and server are separate packages. However, telnetd is the telnet Daemon, and is therefore part of the SERVER. You don't need a daemon for a client. Ok. But if the guy doesn't have telnet-server installed, how the heck did he get the telnetd installed? :-) John I already asked. He won't answer that... Ron -- +--+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA WWW : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | Most overused words: feel, cool/kewl, fun, myBlah.com| | Most underused word: think | +--+
Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
On Mon, 01 May 2000, you wrote: I already asked. He won't answer that... He's using Mandrake 6.0. Apparently Mandrake didn't split server client until AFTER 6.0. I guess. And, since I"m no longer running Mandrake 6.0 (not even running Mandrake right now) I can't tell for sure. *shrug* John
Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
Ron, as I said before, I don't think it's the "binary" telnetd, as Linux doesn't use that. It's probably the "directory" telnetd, which will contain the binary "login", which you need whether you do inbound telnet or not. Russ "Ron Johnson, Jr." wrote: John Aldrich wrote: On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: Of course the client and server are separate packages. However, telnetd is the telnet Daemon, and is therefore part of the SERVER. You don't need a daemon for a client. Ok. But if the guy doesn't have telnet-server installed, how the heck did he get the telnetd installed? :-) John I already asked. He won't answer that... Ron -- +--+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA WWW : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | Most overused words: feel, cool/kewl, fun, myBlah.com| | Most underused word: think | +--+
Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
Dave Lers wrote: telnet-server this maybe an obvious answer, but where can I find mandrake rpms that were not included in my 7.0 distriubtion? updates or new programs and such. I checked the main ftp server under 7.0 and it was all the stuff I already had.. For example when a program like gnome updates or enlightenment updates come available, are they placed on the ftp servers of mandrake? I remeber at one time being at a web site that was called mandrake users or something along those lines, but lost the location. I usually just download a tgz files and compile it myself. thanks for any help in advance.
Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: Hello, grepping /etc/inetd.conf for telnet says this: telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd in.telnetd and doing "rpm -qa |grep tcp" produces tcp_wrappers-7.6-8mdk tcpdump-3.4-1mdk Where do I look, since I want to make sure that telnetd is at latest rev. rpm -qa | grep telnet will tell you which telnet and telnet SERVER rpms are installed. John
Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
Dave Lers wrote: telnet-server H. Since I have telnetd, but don't have the telnet-server rpm, where does /usr/sbin/in.telnetd come from? Is there an rpm command to find which rpm contains a certain file? # rpm -qal | grep telnetd /usr/man/man8/in.telnetd.8.bz2 /usr/man/man8/telnetd.8.bz2 /usr/sbin/in.telnetd "rpm -qal | grep telnetd" almost works, but not quite... Ron -- +--+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA WWW : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | Most overused words: feel, cool/kewl, fun, myBlah.com| | Most underused word: think | +--+
Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
John Aldrich wrote: On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: Hello, grepping /etc/inetd.conf for telnet says this: telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd in.telnetd and doing "rpm -qa |grep tcp" produces tcp_wrappers-7.6-8mdk tcpdump-3.4-1mdk Where do I look, since I want to make sure that telnetd is at latest rev. rpm -qa | grep telnet will tell you which telnet and telnet SERVER rpms are installed. John That was the 1st thing I tried. Those results were in my original post. Only the client rpms showed up... $ rpm -qa | grep telnet ktelnet-0.61-2mdk telnet-0.10-8mdk Ron -- +--+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA WWW : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | Most overused words: feel, cool/kewl, fun, myBlah.com| | Most underused word: think | +--+
Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: Dave Lers wrote: telnet-server this maybe an obvious answer, but where can I find mandrake rpms that were not included in my 7.0 distriubtion? updates or new programs and such. I checked the main ftp server under 7.0 and it was all the stuff I already had.. For example when a program like gnome updates or enlightenment updates come available, are they placed on the ftp servers of mandrake? telnet-server should BE included in your distro. It's just not installed automagically under any configuration that I've seen. Ever since about Mandrake 6.0 you've had to manually install it. Go to your CD and install it from there. In general, you can go to www.rpmfind.net and download just about any RPM that's available. It may not be a MANDRAKE RPM, but it's an rpm. John
Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: That was the 1st thing I tried. Those results were in my original post. Only the client rpms showed up... Then you don't have the telnet-server RPM installed. Go to your CD and install the server rpm. Or, even better install SSH instead. SSH isn't as vulnerable to attacks as telnet is. Telnet is like leaving your front door unlocked in a high-crime neighborhood. NOT installing Telnet-server is like locking the front door. Installing SSH instead of telnet is like installing a deadbolt and locking the door at the same time! John
Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
Ron Johnson wrote: Dave Lers wrote: telnet-server H. Since I have telnetd, but don't have the telnet-server rpm, where does /usr/sbin/in.telnetd come from? Is there an rpm command to find which rpm contains a certain file? Try: rpm -qf filename -- Steve Philp, MCSE/MCP+I Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
John Aldrich wrote: On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: That was the 1st thing I tried. Those results were in my original post. Only the client rpms showed up... Then you don't have the telnet-server RPM installed. Go to your CD and install the server rpm. Or, even better install But then how come I have telnetd but don't have telnet-server? Ron -- +--+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA WWW : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | Most overused words: feel, cool/kewl, fun, myBlah.com| | Most underused word: think | +--+
Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
Steve Philp wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: Dave Lers wrote: telnet-server H. Since I have telnetd, but don't have the telnet-server rpm, where does /usr/sbin/in.telnetd come from? Is there an rpm command to find which rpm contains a certain file? Try: rpm -qf filename THANK YOU! Apparently, Mdk6.0 integrated the telnet server and client... $ rpm -qf /usr/sbin/in.telnetd telnet-0.10-8mdk Ron -- +--+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA WWW : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | Most overused words: feel, cool/kewl, fun, myBlah.com| | Most underused word: think | +--+
Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: THANK YOU! Apparently, Mdk6.0 integrated the telnet server and client... $ rpm -qf /usr/sbin/in.telnetd telnet-0.10-8mdk I don't think so. Try again: Current remote directory is /linux/mandrake/stable/current/Mandrake/RPMS. ncftp .../current/Mandrake/RPMS ls -l telnet* -r--r--r-- 1 9500 110057631 Jan 12 00:54 telnet-0.14-2mdk.i586.rpm -r--r--r-- 1 9500 110027731 Jan 12 00:54 telnet-server-0.14-2mdk.i586.rpm ncftp .../current/Mandrake/RPMS The above is from ftp.rpmfind.net in /linux/mandrake/stable/current/Mandrake/RPMS. As you can plainly see, there are TWO telnet RPMs. You *have* to have both to permit people to telnet into your system (although WHY you'd want to open your system up like that is beyond me!!!) John
Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
Of course the client and server are separate packages. However, telnetd is the telnet Daemon, and is therefore part of the SERVER. You don't need a daemon for a client. On 30 Apr, John Aldrich wrote: On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: But then how come I have telnetd but don't have telnet-server? Listen closely as I repeat myself: THE TELNET SERVER IS A SEPARATE PACKAGE Just because you have "telnetd" does NOT mean you have telnet-server installed! That is a SEPARATE PACKAGE FROM TELNET!!! Apparently, Mandrake, in -- --- Nil Carborundum Illegitimi http://andysocial.com
Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
John Aldrich wrote: On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: THANK YOU! Apparently, Mdk6.0 integrated the telnet server and client... $ rpm -qf /usr/sbin/in.telnetd telnet-0.10-8mdk I don't think so. Try again: Current remote directory is /linux/mandrake/stable/current/Mandrake/RPMS. ncftp .../current/Mandrake/RPMS ls -l telnet* -r--r--r-- 1 9500 110057631 Jan 12 00:54 telnet-0.14-2mdk.i586.rpm -r--r--r-- 1 9500 110027731 Jan 12 00:54 telnet-server-0.14-2mdk.i586.rpm ncftp .../current/Mandrake/RPMS The above is from ftp.rpmfind.net in /linux/mandrake/stable/current/Mandrake/RPMS. As you can plainly see, there are TWO telnet RPMs. You *have* to have both to permit people to telnet into your system (although WHY you'd want to open your system up like that is beyond me!!!) John WHY you aren't reading closely is beyond me: I'm using Mdk6.0. You are looking at *stable/current*, which is 7.0-2. This may be one of the changes Mdk made when they moved from being a RH clone. This is from my Mdk6.0 CD-ROM: $ ls /cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS/telnet* /cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS/telnet-0.10-8mdk.i586.rpm And this is from my HD: $ rpm -qf /usr/sbin/in.telnetd telnet-0.10-8mdk Ron -- +--+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA WWW : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | Most overused words: feel, cool/kewl, fun, myBlah.com| | Most underused word: think | +--+
Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
Um, yes you do. A client without a daemon is like a key without a lock. G Either way. Linux does not use "telnetd", it uses the superserver "inetd" and then that calls "in.telnetd" to start the inbound login session. That is what is installed by the telnet-server rpm. On my systems, the "telnetd" is a subdirectory in /usr/lib, that contains the binary "login", which will be needed no matter whether you allow inbound telnet or not. Russ Gary Bunker wrote: Of course the client and server are separate packages. However, telnetd is the telnet Daemon, and is therefore part of the SERVER. You don't need a daemon for a client. On 30 Apr, John Aldrich wrote: On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: But then how come I have telnetd but don't have telnet-server? Listen closely as I repeat myself: THE TELNET SERVER IS A SEPARATE PACKAGE Just because you have "telnetd" does NOT mean you have telnet-server installed! That is a SEPARATE PACKAGE FROM TELNET!!! Apparently, Mandrake, in -- --- Nil Carborundum Illegitimi http://andysocial.com
Re: [expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
You only need the telnet Daemon running if you intend to telnet into your machine. The Client can run without a local daemon, it just needs a daemon on the server it wishes to communicate with. Therefore, there is no need to install the TelnetD package unless you plan to host telnet services. Unless I'm completely insane and mistaken about all the Unix and VMS stuff I've been using for the past 10 years, this is a normal way of doing client/server stuff. On 30 Apr, Russ Johnson wrote: Um, yes you do. A client without a daemon is like a key without a lock. G Either way. Linux does not use "telnetd", it uses the superserver "inetd" and then that calls "in.telnetd" to start the inbound login session. That is what is installed by the telnet-server rpm. On my systems, the "telnetd" is a subdirectory in /usr/lib, that contains the binary "login", which will be needed no matter whether you allow inbound telnet or not. Russ Gary Bunker wrote: Of course the client and server are separate packages. However, telnetd is the telnet Daemon, and is therefore part of the SERVER. You don't need a daemon for a client. On 30 Apr, John Aldrich wrote: On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, you wrote: But then how come I have telnetd but don't have telnet-server? Listen closely as I repeat myself: THE TELNET SERVER IS A SEPARATE PACKAGE Just because you have "telnetd" does NOT mean you have telnet-server installed! That is a SEPARATE PACKAGE FROM TELNET!!! Apparently, Mandrake, in -- --- Nil Carborundum Illegitimi http://andysocial.com -- --- Nil Carborundum Illegitimi http://andysocial.com
[expert] What rpm is telnetd in?
Hello, grepping /etc/inetd.conf for telnet says this: telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd in.telnetd and doing "rpm -qa |grep tcp" produces tcp_wrappers-7.6-8mdk tcpdump-3.4-1mdk Where do I look, since I want to make sure that telnetd is at latest rev. Thanks, Ron -- +--+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA WWW : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | Most overused words: feel, cool/kewl, fun, myBlah.com| | Most underused word: think | +--+
