Re: [expert] Where are ALL the SRPMS?
At 06:42 31/08/00, you wrote: On Wed Aug 30, 2000 at 11:42:12PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try the mirror here. It's usually fast and upto date: http://n3meq.dynip.com .. Pj Looks like it's just a mirror for cooker and contribs... the SRPMS in question are for the 7.1 release. Well, I've mailed Mandrake about it, no response as yet. I mailed mirrors and webmaster as I couldn't find anything more appropriate on the contacts page. Can anyone suggest a better contact address for this sort of thing? Fergal
Re: [expert] Where are ALL the SRPMS?
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Fergal Daly pushed some tiny letters in this order: At 22:22 29/08/00, Svante Signell wrote: How many SRPMS for MDK-7.1 do you find at: ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake/SRPMS/ About 150, whereas there should be more like 1000, eg there are no XFree86 packages there and also the wine rpm is missing. You are referring to the mandrake-devel directory not 7.1. No, I'm referring to 7.1, I have no problem finding the cooker stuff. This is completely against the GPL, they must make the source available. As was said before, someone from Mandrake should clear this up on the list, Fergal I'm not sure if this is the case but maybe Mandrake only supply the source code to packages they modify? For the packages that aren't modified (ie. only recompiled to i586 form) then the source code to the RedHat versions would be just as good, available at any RedHat mirror. I haven't read it in a while, what does the GPL say about distribution without modification? Tony
Re: [expert] Where are ALL the SRPMS?
At 08:56 30/08/00, you wrote: Submitted 30-Aug-00 by Fergal Daly: About 150, whereas there should be more like 1000, eg there are no XFree86 packages there and also the wine rpm is missing. Actually there should be quite a bit less than 1,000. Many SRPMS build several packages. For example, the kernel src.rpm builds all of the alsa RPMS as well as all of the kernel RPMS and the reiserfs-utils and MandrakeUpdate also builds urpmi and grpmi. OK, fair point but there is definitely not a 6:1 RPM:SRPM ratio! Fergal
Re: [expert] Where are ALL the SRPMS?
At 10:43 30/08/00, you wrote: I'm not sure if this is the case but maybe Mandrake only supply the source code to packages they modify? For the packages that aren't modified (ie. only recompiled to i586 form) then the source code to the RedHat versions would be just as good, available at any RedHat mirror. I haven't read it in a while, what does the GPL say about distribution without modification? That occurred to me but Redhat don't distribute wine (which is the package that's bugging me). Under the GPL the person who distributes the binary is responsible for distributing the source it doesn't matter whether it's been modified or not. I think it's acceptable for them to point you at someone else's website and say "there's the SRPM, it's exactly the same as the one we used". However It is not acceptable to point someone to the website and tell them to get the tarball from there. As the GPL says For an executable work, complete source code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to control compilation and installation of the executable. ie the rpm spec file is also a requirement. Is there some reason they don't want the SRPMs available or is it just an oversight? Anyway, I think I'll mail someone at MandrakeSoft directly to try find out, Fergal
RE: [expert] Where are ALL the SRPMS?
Is there some reason they don't want the SRPMs available or is it just an oversight? Anyway, I think I'll mail someone at MandrakeSoft directly to try find out, Fergal I'm sure it must be an oversight - they must realise that if they fail to publish the source on demand someone (e.g. me ;-) ) will drop an email to Richard Stallman, and you can bet they don't want that kind of publicity! Tony
Re: [expert] Where are ALL the SRPMS?
On Wed Aug 30, 2000 at 01:27:27PM +0100, Fergal Daly wrote: Is there some reason they don't want the SRPMs available or is it just an oversight? Anyway, I think I'll mail someone at MandrakeSoft directly to try find out, [root@titan security]# ls /home/ftp/pub/Linux/Mandrake-devel/SRPMS/wine* /home/ftp/pub/Linux/Mandrake-devel/SRPMS/wine-2821-2mdk.src.rpm [root@titan security]# All SRPMS are available. Maybe you need to find another mirror to be visiting? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], OpenPGP key available on www.keyserver.net // Danen Consulting Serviceswww.danen.net, www.freezer-burn.org // MandrakeSoft, Inc. www.linux-mandrake.com 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD Current Linux uptime: 9 days 5 hours 36 minutes.
Re: [expert] Where are ALL the SRPMS?
All SRPMS are available. Maybe you need to find another mirror to be visiting? Mandrake-devel would be for cooker, yes. They're all there. But for 7.1, on ftp.sunet.se, they're certainly missing some in /pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake/SRPMS/ -- X isn't there. Isn't ftp.sunet.se the official distribution point? -- Ben Reed a.k.a. Ranger Rick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://defiance.dyndns.org/ / http://radio.scenespot.org/ Now playing on Defiance Radio: You Often Forget by Revolting Cocks
Re: [expert] Where are ALL the SRPMS?
On Wed Aug 30, 2000 at 10:12:02PM -0400, Benjamin Reed wrote: All SRPMS are available. Maybe you need to find another mirror to be visiting? Mandrake-devel would be for cooker, yes. They're all there. But for 7.1, on ftp.sunet.se, they're certainly missing some in /pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake/SRPMS/ -- X isn't there. Isn't ftp.sunet.se the official distribution point? Hmmm... you're right. That's odd... And yes, ftp.sunet.se is one of the primary mirrors... that's really odd. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], OpenPGP key available on www.keyserver.net // Danen Consulting Serviceswww.danen.net, www.freezer-burn.org // MandrakeSoft, Inc. www.linux-mandrake.com 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD Current Linux uptime: 9 days 8 hours 7 minutes.
Re: [expert] Where are ALL the SRPMS?
On Wed Aug 30, 2000 at 11:42:12PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try the mirror here. It's usually fast and upto date: http://n3meq.dynip.com .. Pj Looks like it's just a mirror for cooker and contribs... the SRPMS in question are for the 7.1 release. All SRPMS are available. Maybe you need to find another mirror to be visiting? Mandrake-devel would be for cooker, yes. They're all there. But for 7.1, on ftp.sunet.se, they're certainly missing some in /pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake/SRPMS/ -- X isn't there. Isn't ftp.sunet.se the official distribution point? Hmmm... you're right. That's odd... And yes, ftp.sunet.se is one of the primary mirrors... that's really odd. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], OpenPGP key available on www.keyserver.net // Danen Consulting Serviceswww.danen.net, www.freezer-burn.org // MandrakeSoft, Inc. www.linux-mandrake.com 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD Current Linux uptime: 9 days 9 hours 14 minutes.
Re: [expert] Where are ALL the SRPMS?
Try the mirror here. It's usually fast and upto date: http://n3meq.dynip.com .. Pj At 10:36 PM 8/30/00 -0600, you wrote: On Wed Aug 30, 2000 at 10:12:02PM -0400, Benjamin Reed wrote: All SRPMS are available. Maybe you need to find another mirror to be visiting? Mandrake-devel would be for cooker, yes. They're all there. But for 7.1, on ftp.sunet.se, they're certainly missing some in /pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake/SRPMS/ -- X isn't there. Isn't ftp.sunet.se the official distribution point? Hmmm... you're right. That's odd... And yes, ftp.sunet.se is one of the primary mirrors... that's really odd. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], OpenPGP key available on www.keyserver.net // Danen Consulting Serviceswww.danen.net, www.freezer-burn.org // MandrakeSoft, Inc. www.linux-mandrake.com 1024D/FE6F2AFD 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD Current Linux uptime: 9 days 8 hours 7 minutes.
RE: [expert] Where are ALL the SRPMS?
On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 12:58:11AM +0100, Fergal Daly wrote: Hi, I've searched the archives of the mailing lists and seen this question arise several times but it doesn't seem to have ever been answered properly! Either the question has been ignored or the link provided isn't any use. The SRPMS directory on the mirror sites only has about 100 packages. Can anyone tell me where all the others are? Thanks, Dunno what you're talking about, the main mirror at ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake-devel/SRPMS contains right now 936 SRPMS. Don't know, but it seems like you're using a quite outdated mirror. That's the DEVELOPMENT mirror, not the release one. I'm not about to use that on my production machines. Fergal is quite correct: the SRPMS for Mandrake 7.1 have not been properly put on the mirror sites. I for one won't install 7.1 until I also have the source. Since a number of people have asked this question, I also have to wonder whether the terms of the GPL are being honoured? If anyone at MandrakeSoft is listening, please sort this out. Tony.
Re: [expert] Where are ALL the SRPMS?
How many SRPMS for MDK-7.1 do you find at: ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake/SRPMS/ You are referring to the mandrake-devel directory not 7.1. Alexander Skwar writes: On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 12:58:11AM +0100, Fergal Daly wrote: Hi, I've searched the archives of the mailing lists and seen this question arise several times but it doesn't seem to have ever been answered properly! Either the question has been ignored or the link provided isn't any use. The SRPMS directory on the mirror sites only has about 100 packages. Can anyone tell me where all the others are? Thanks, Dunno what you're talking about, the main mirror at ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake-devel/SRPMS contains right now 936 SRPMS. Don't know, but it seems like you're using a quite outdated mirror. Alexander Skwar -- Homepage:http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.dp.ath.cx Sichere Mail?Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys ICQ: 7328191
Re: [expert] Where are ALL the SRPMS?
On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 11:22:54PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: You are referring to the mandrake-devel directory not 7.1. Oh, you're right. I assumed that Fergal also spoke about Cooker as he didn't mention otherwise and because this is the expert mailing list. Alexander Skwar -- Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.dp.ath.cx Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys ICQ:7328191
Re: [expert] Where are ALL the SRPMS?
At 22:22 29/08/00, Svante Signell wrote: How many SRPMS for MDK-7.1 do you find at: ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake/SRPMS/ About 150, whereas there should be more like 1000, eg there are no XFree86 packages there and also the wine rpm is missing. You are referring to the mandrake-devel directory not 7.1. No, I'm referring to 7.1, I have no problem finding the cooker stuff. This is completely against the GPL, they must make the source available. As was said before, someone from Mandrake should clear this up on the list, Fergal
Re: [expert] Where are ALL the SRPMS?
On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 12:58:11AM +0100, Fergal Daly wrote: Hi, I've searched the archives of the mailing lists and seen this question arise several times but it doesn't seem to have ever been answered properly! Either the question has been ignored or the link provided isn't any use. The SRPMS directory on the mirror sites only has about 100 packages. Can anyone tell me where all the others are? Thanks, Dunno what you're talking about, the main mirror at ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/mandrake-devel/SRPMS contains right now 936 SRPMS. Don't know, but it seems like you're using a quite outdated mirror. Alexander Skwar -- Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com | http://www.dp.ath.cx Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys ICQ:7328191
[expert] Where are ALL the SRPMS?
Hi, I've searched the archives of the mailing lists and seen this question arise several times but it doesn't seem to have ever been answered properly! Either the question has been ignored or the link provided isn't any use. The SRPMS directory on the mirror sites only has about 100 packages. Can anyone tell me where all the others are? Thanks, Fergal
