Re: [expert] IMAP clients very slow
If I tell Evolution NOT to check on all folders, it simply does not allow me to access ANY folder at all. Perhaps I did something wrong ? /Stefano On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 17:41, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: Chuck Burns wrote: > On Wed, January 22 2003 2:15 am, Stefano Pogliani wrote: > >>Why IMAP clients on Linux (Mozilla, Evolution especially !!!) are much >>slower than using IMAP clients on Windows (on the same Linux IMAP >>folders) ? >> >>It seems strange, but it is much quicker to work from a remote Windows >>machine than from a local Linux one! There is certainly something I am >>missing. >> >>TIA >> >>/Stefano >> > > > Because most windows IMAP clients actually download all the mail to your > local > machine, and then you are working locally, and most linux IMAP clients > are > PURE IMAP clients.. NO local stuff, so it's always working over the > network, > hence the "speed" issue. > Another thing I've noticed is setting them (the clients) to check "all" imap folders will slow it down. If you're not filtering on the server side, you can turn that off. There won't be any "new" mail in any of the other folders until it's placed there by the current session. So you can save some time there. I've noticed that Evolution is much slower than Mozilla though. JMHO-YMMV Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] IMAP clients very slow
Chuck Burns wrote: On Wed, January 22 2003 2:15 am, Stefano Pogliani wrote: Why IMAP clients on Linux (Mozilla, Evolution especially !!!) are much slower than using IMAP clients on Windows (on the same Linux IMAP folders) ? It seems strange, but it is much quicker to work from a remote Windows machine than from a local Linux one! There is certainly something I am missing. TIA /Stefano Because most windows IMAP clients actually download all the mail to your local machine, and then you are working locally, and most linux IMAP clients are PURE IMAP clients.. NO local stuff, so it's always working over the network, hence the "speed" issue. Another thing I've noticed is setting them (the clients) to check "all" imap folders will slow it down. If you're not filtering on the server side, you can turn that off. There won't be any "new" mail in any of the other folders until it's placed there by the current session. So you can save some time there. I've noticed that Evolution is much slower than Mozilla though. JMHO-YMMV Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] IMAP clients very slow
On Wed, January 22 2003 2:15 am, Stefano Pogliani wrote: > Why IMAP clients on Linux (Mozilla, Evolution especially !!!) are much > slower than using IMAP clients on Windows (on the same Linux IMAP > folders) ? > > It seems strange, but it is much quicker to work from a remote Windows > machine than from a local Linux one! There is certainly something I am > missing. > > TIA > > /Stefano > Because most windows IMAP clients actually download all the mail to your local machine, and then you are working locally, and most linux IMAP clients are PURE IMAP clients.. NO local stuff, so it's always working over the network, hence the "speed" issue. -- Chuck Burns, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ---==--- Something's rotten in the state of Denmark. -- Shakespeare Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] IMAP clients very slow
Am Mittwoch, 22. Januar 2003 09:15 schrieb Stefano Pogliani: > Why IMAP clients on Linux (Mozilla, Evolution especially !!!) are much > slower than using IMAP clients on Windows (on the same Linux IMAP > folders) ? > > It seems strange, but it is much quicker to work from a remote Windows > machine than from a local Linux one! There is certainly something I am > missing. > > TIA > > /Stefano Stfano, it is realy hard to implement an imap client. and it is much complicated while using different imap server with different implementation of imap. some server dies not support this and others does not support that. So some client does not support this and others does not support that. And the next problem is, this is not neccessary the fact for all client-server combinations. mozilla works great with the cyrus imap server but possibily not so great with the uw imap server. So, eveolution seems to work not so great with the uw server. simply try out the courier server. Possibly evolution is much faster with this one. Btw. normaly courier is much faster than uw and more secure. Martin -- H E L I X Gesellschaft für Software & Engineering mbH Hanauer Landstrasse 52 Telefon (069) 4789 35-30 60314 Frankfurt am Main Telefax (069) 4789 35-44 http://www.helix-gmbh.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] msg64760/pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [expert] IMAP clients very slow
Why IMAP clients on Linux (Mozilla, Evolution especially !!!) are much slower than using IMAP clients on Windows (on the same Linux IMAP folders) ? It seems strange, but it is much quicker to work from a remote Windows machine than from a local Linux one! There is certainly something I am missing. TIA /Stefano On Tue, 2003-01-21 at 18:24, Stefano Pogliani wrote: I am using IMAP (the default one from MDK 9, not Courier). I have lot of IMAP folders containing lot of data in my ~/Mail directory. When I access the IMAP folders from another computer (W2000 using Outlook or using Netscape) my performances are MUCH better than when using Evolution (or also Mozilla) on the local Linux computer. Evolution is VERY SLOW. It takes 5 minutes to list all of the IMAP folders, it takes at least 2 minutes to open the Inbox folder. And, many times, when moving mails from the Inbox to another folder, it takes ages (sometimes it takes forever and I have to kill it after 30 minutes or so). I thought the problem may have been in these BIG Imap folders. But actually, they are accessed the same from W2000 programs. So, it seems the "issue" is on my client. Does someone have any idea ? Thanks a lot in advance Best regards /stefano
hardware requirements for mail server, was: Re: [expert] imap server and kmail features
well ric has it right:) what i want is to not lose the geek toy that kmail ( and one assumes, other clients) gives me which is mail identities and associating posting addresses with folders, as my original post indicated i'm aware of procmail and server filtering which, large setups aside, would be fine for myself, my daughter and a few boxes, my question was a shot in the dark really,wondering whether there was some way other than a remote session to avoid the individual client configuration so as to provide the 'geek-toys':) as i have never actually used imap and/or fetchmail with procmail and all the googling i did told me how to install them but little about what they 'couldn't do' i thought it worth asking. configuring only a few mail clients might not seem a big deal bit i won't have learnt anything new,plus there still remains the question of access from outside, vnc i think, here i come, which begs the question what is the minimum hardware to run a box that runs a vnc server and email client and precious little else? i'm hoping its not very much 'cos that's all i got! ideally i will be accessing from other machines - say, my mothers, over the net in which case i can install vnc on it, but of course i may have to install some web client for this if i want to get my mail from a mates box, features aside, what woud that do to hardware requirements? bascule On Tuesday 21 Jan 2003 5:12 pm, Ric Tibbetts wrote: > > All the rest is just techno-geek toys. I, and my users, just want to > > > > > read our mail. I'm not going to go to excessive measures on the servers > > > make that happen. IMAP does the job exceedingly well, and it serves to > > > any client, be it Linux, Mac, or Windows. I can check my mail from any > > > client, anywhere in the world. As long as it properly supports IMAP > > > filtering. -- There are *no* inconsistencies in the Discworld books; ocassionally, however, there are alternate pasts. (alt.fan.pratchett) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] imap server and kmail features
On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 05:44:38PM +0100, Martin Fahrendorf wrote: Content-Description: signed data > Am Dienstag, 21. Januar 2003 17:08 schrieb Ric Tibbetts: > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 09:44:52AM -0600, Chuck Burns wrote: > > > On Tue, January 21 2003 9:26 am, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: > > > *snip* > > > > > > > You can't possibly be suggesting to add filters directly into imap, > > > > for every user... If you had a system with 1000 users, and they had > > > > 20 filters each... That's hardly practical. That is why it *IS* the > > > > job of the client to do it's filtering. If it cannot do it properly, > > > > find a client that will, there are plenty out there. > > > > > > *snip* > > > That's exactly what he is saying, and it is quite feasible. If your > > > users want their mail filtered, they can set up their personal > > > procmail settings in their own home directory, if they dont, then they > > > dont have to. -- > > > Chuck Burns, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Agreed. They can. "IF" they have 1) the access, and 2) the ability. Not > > everyone does. > > > > If I were to use the e-Mail address from my ISP for example, I would not > > be able to do that. I do not have access. I'd have to set up fetch mail > > on my Linux box, and get the mail from them, and filter it locally. That > > would only work for one box. > > > > What if I had 3 or 4 different laptops that I might carry around. Plus, > > need to access my mail from nearly any i-net attached client. I'd need > > to depend on the client to do the filtering. And indeed, many do it > > right. Mozilla Mail, Netscape Mail, Evolution, etc. If they can't I > > don't use them. It's that simple. If someone want's me to use their > > e-Mail client, it needs to properly support IMAP filtering. > > > > All the rest is just techno-geek toys. I, and my users, just want to > > read our mail. I'm not going to go to excessive measures on the servers > > make that happen. IMAP does the job exceedingly well, and it serves to > > any client, be it Linux, Mac, or Windows. I can check my mail from any > > client, anywhere in the world. As long as it properly supports IMAP > > filtering. > > > > People like to diss Netscape. But what other client is out there > > that properly supports IMAP filtering and will run on ANY OS?!? > > > > > > All that other "stuff" is just more stuff to go wrong, and more stuff to > > maintain. A straight up, out of the box IMAP server will exactly what I > > need it to do, with minimum fuss, and muss. Isn't that how this stuff is > > supposed to work? > > > > Ric > > Hi Ric, > > think a little bit different. Naturally, you can and should be able to use > the filter from your mozilla, netscape and others. But think of users who > want to use their web-Mail frontend sometimes and don't want to have all > the Mails for the mailinglists. Yes, of course, this is only usefull, if > the user has acces to the filter (with procmail you have to get a real > accout, with cyrus you can use sieve (build in) and with courier you can > use the filter build in maildrop). > > The best is to get both. > > Martin And thus brings us to the greatest strength of any *nix. There's always more than one way to get a job done. So you can taylor the solution to the requirement. ;) It's really up to the individual to know their requirement, and then find the solution that's right for them. Cheers Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] imap server and kmail features
Am Dienstag, 21. Januar 2003 17:08 schrieb Ric Tibbetts: > On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 09:44:52AM -0600, Chuck Burns wrote: > > On Tue, January 21 2003 9:26 am, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: > > *snip* > > > > > You can't possibly be suggesting to add filters directly into imap, > > > for every user... If you had a system with 1000 users, and they had > > > 20 filters each... That's hardly practical. That is why it *IS* the > > > job of the client to do it's filtering. If it cannot do it properly, > > > find a client that will, there are plenty out there. > > > > *snip* > > That's exactly what he is saying, and it is quite feasible. If your > > users want their mail filtered, they can set up their personal > > procmail settings in their own home directory, if they dont, then they > > dont have to. -- > > Chuck Burns, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Agreed. They can. "IF" they have 1) the access, and 2) the ability. Not > everyone does. > > If I were to use the e-Mail address from my ISP for example, I would not > be able to do that. I do not have access. I'd have to set up fetch mail > on my Linux box, and get the mail from them, and filter it locally. That > would only work for one box. > > What if I had 3 or 4 different laptops that I might carry around. Plus, > need to access my mail from nearly any i-net attached client. I'd need > to depend on the client to do the filtering. And indeed, many do it > right. Mozilla Mail, Netscape Mail, Evolution, etc. If they can't I > don't use them. It's that simple. If someone want's me to use their > e-Mail client, it needs to properly support IMAP filtering. > > All the rest is just techno-geek toys. I, and my users, just want to > read our mail. I'm not going to go to excessive measures on the servers > make that happen. IMAP does the job exceedingly well, and it serves to > any client, be it Linux, Mac, or Windows. I can check my mail from any > client, anywhere in the world. As long as it properly supports IMAP > filtering. > > People like to diss Netscape. But what other client is out there > that properly supports IMAP filtering and will run on ANY OS?!? > > > All that other "stuff" is just more stuff to go wrong, and more stuff to > maintain. A straight up, out of the box IMAP server will exactly what I > need it to do, with minimum fuss, and muss. Isn't that how this stuff is > supposed to work? > > Ric Hi Ric, think a little bit different. Naturally, you can and should be able to use the filter from your mozilla, netscape and others. But think of users who want to use their web-Mail frontend sometimes and don't want to have all the Mails for the mailinglists. Yes, of course, this is only usefull, if the user has acces to the filter (with procmail you have to get a real accout, with cyrus you can use sieve (build in) and with courier you can use the filter build in maildrop). The best is to get both. Martin > > > ---==--- > > Involvement with people is always a very delicate thing -- > > it requires real maturity to become involved and not get all messed > > up. -- Bernard Cooke > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- H E L I X Gesellschaft für Software & Engineering mbH Hanauer Landstrasse 52 Telefon (069) 4789 35-30 60314 Frankfurt am Main Telefax (069) 4789 35-44 http://www.helix-gmbh.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] msg64726/pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [expert] imap server and kmail features
On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 09:44:52AM -0600, Chuck Burns wrote: > On Tue, January 21 2003 9:26 am, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: > *snip* > > You can't possibly be suggesting to add filters directly into imap, for > > every user... If you had a system with 1000 users, and they had 20 > > filters each... That's hardly practical. That is why it *IS* the job of > > the client to do it's filtering. If it cannot do it properly, find a > > client that will, there are plenty out there. > *snip* > That's exactly what he is saying, and it is quite feasible. If your users > want their mail filtered, they can set up their personal procmail settings in > their own home directory, if they dont, then they dont have to. > -- > Chuck Burns, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED] Agreed. They can. "IF" they have 1) the access, and 2) the ability. Not everyone does. If I were to use the e-Mail address from my ISP for example, I would not be able to do that. I do not have access. I'd have to set up fetch mail on my Linux box, and get the mail from them, and filter it locally. That would only work for one box. What if I had 3 or 4 different laptops that I might carry around. Plus, need to access my mail from nearly any i-net attached client. I'd need to depend on the client to do the filtering. And indeed, many do it right. Mozilla Mail, Netscape Mail, Evolution, etc. If they can't I don't use them. It's that simple. If someone want's me to use their e-Mail client, it needs to properly support IMAP filtering. All the rest is just techno-geek toys. I, and my users, just want to read our mail. I'm not going to go to excessive measures on the servers make that happen. IMAP does the job exceedingly well, and it serves to any client, be it Linux, Mac, or Windows. I can check my mail from any client, anywhere in the world. As long as it properly supports IMAP filtering. People like to diss Netscape. But what other client is out there that properly supports IMAP filtering and will run on ANY OS?!? All that other "stuff" is just more stuff to go wrong, and more stuff to maintain. A straight up, out of the box IMAP server will exactly what I need it to do, with minimum fuss, and muss. Isn't that how this stuff is supposed to work? Ric > ---==--- > Involvement with people is always a very delicate thing -- > it requires real maturity to become involved and not get all messed up. > -- Bernard Cooke > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] imap server and kmail features
On Tue, January 21 2003 9:26 am, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: *snip* > You can't possibly be suggesting to add filters directly into imap, for > every user... If you had a system with 1000 users, and they had 20 > filters each... That's hardly practical. That is why it *IS* the job of > the client to do it's filtering. If it cannot do it properly, find a > client that will, there are plenty out there. *snip* That's exactly what he is saying, and it is quite feasible. If your users want their mail filtered, they can set up their personal procmail settings in their own home directory, if they dont, then they dont have to. -- Chuck Burns, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ---==--- Involvement with people is always a very delicate thing -- it requires real maturity to become involved and not get all messed up. -- Bernard Cooke Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] imap server and kmail features
Forget K-Mail. It won't filter into imap folders. Go with either Mozilla Mail, or Evolution. Either one does an excelent job of filtering into imapp folders. I use this set up myself, so that I can always get to my mail, from any client, anywhere, and ALL my mail is there. I got tired of the POP thing a long time ago, when all my mail was on myh home desktop, and I was traveling with a laptop. IMAP is the way to go. Ric To state it clear, it is not the job of a E-Mail client to filter something on a imap-server. You can contact with a lot of different clients an it is not a funny job to configure it always to the same filter. so use the filter, the imap server offers to you and your mail will be filtert regardles of the ability of your mailclient. So you can use sylpheed or mutt on a remote connection and mozilla, kmail or evolution on your local Unix connection and (for those who realy want) Outlook on a Windows system. Thas what IMAP is for. Martin PS: If your IMAP server doe not support filter, drop it and use either courier or cyrus. You can't possibly be suggesting to add filters directly into imap, for every user... If you had a system with 1000 users, and they had 20 filters each... That's hardly practical. That is why it *IS* the job of the client to do it's filtering. If it cannot do it properly, find a client that will, there are plenty out there. Alternativly, fetchmail will do the job, if you have the access to the server. But not everyone does. I do, but I run my own server. But for people getting their mail from their ISP, expecting imap on the server end to do your filtering is not reasonable. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] imap server and kmail features
Am Dienstag, 21. Januar 2003 14:37 schrieb Ric Tibbetts: > On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 08:30:30AM +0100, Martin Fahrendorf wrote: > Content-Description: signed data > > > Am Dienstag, 21. Januar 2003 02:58 schrieb bascule: > > > i've been doing some reading with the intention of setting up a box > > > to collect all my mail so that i can use imap to look at mail from > > > any box and any os but i just thought of what for me could be a > > > showstopper, i use the multiple identities feature of kmail a lot, > > > mail is sorted into folders and identities associated, now maybe i > > > could set up all my linux installs with kmailset up individualy but > > > this seems to be missing the point, plus on win what? i have been > > > assuming that fetchmail would be fetching mail from my isps, > > > procmail would put it into mail folders on the server and some imap > > > server would server them out to the lan, assuming i have this right > > > is there a way to avoid find a client for each machine that supports > > > the features of kmail and having to configure it seperately, > > > is the only way to run kmail locally in an x session on the server > > > and use vnc or something over the lan? > > > > > > bascule > > Forget K-Mail. It won't filter into imap folders. Go with either Mozilla > Mail, or Evolution. Either one does an excelent job of filtering into > imapp folders. I use this set up myself, so that I can always get to my > mail, from any client, anywhere, and ALL my mail is there. I got tired > of the POP thing a long time ago, when all my mail was on myh home > desktop, and I was traveling with a laptop. IMAP is the way to go. > > Ric To state it clear, it is not the job of a E-Mail client to filter something on a imap-server. You can contact with a lot of different clients an it is not a funny job to configure it always to the same filter. so use the filter, the imap server offers to you and your mail will be filtert regardles of the ability of your mailclient. So you can use sylpheed or mutt on a remote connection and mozilla, kmail or evolution on your local Unix connection and (for those who realy want) Outlook on a Windows system. Thas what IMAP is for. Martin PS: If your IMAP server doe not support filter, drop it and use either courier or cyrus. -- H E L I X Gesellschaft für Software & Engineering mbH Hanauer Landstrasse 52 Telefon (069) 4789 35-30 60314 Frankfurt am Main Telefax (069) 4789 35-44 http://www.helix-gmbh.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] msg64720/pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [expert] imap server and kmail features
On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 08:30:30AM +0100, Martin Fahrendorf wrote: Content-Description: signed data > Am Dienstag, 21. Januar 2003 02:58 schrieb bascule: > > i've been doing some reading with the intention of setting up a box to > > collect all my mail so that i can use imap to look at mail from any box > > and any os but i just thought of what for me could be a showstopper, i > > use the multiple identities feature of kmail a lot, mail is sorted into > > folders and identities associated, now maybe i could set up all my linux > > installs with kmailset up individualy but this seems to be missing the > > point, plus on win what? i have been assuming that fetchmail would be > > fetching mail from my isps, procmail would put it into mail folders on > > the server and some imap server would server them out to the lan, > > assuming i have this right is there a way to avoid find a client for > > each machine that supports the features of kmail and having to configure > > it seperately, > > is the only way to run kmail locally in an x session on the server and > > use vnc or something over the lan? > > > > bascule > Forget K-Mail. It won't filter into imap folders. Go with either Mozilla Mail, or Evolution. Either one does an excelent job of filtering into imapp folders. I use this set up myself, so that I can always get to my mail, from any client, anywhere, and ALL my mail is there. I got tired of the POP thing a long time ago, when all my mail was on myh home desktop, and I was traveling with a laptop. IMAP is the way to go. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] imap server and kmail features
Am Dienstag, 21. Januar 2003 02:58 schrieb bascule: > i've been doing some reading with the intention of setting up a box to > collect all my mail so that i can use imap to look at mail from any box > and any os but i just thought of what for me could be a showstopper, i > use the multiple identities feature of kmail a lot, mail is sorted into > folders and identities associated, now maybe i could set up all my linux > installs with kmailset up individualy but this seems to be missing the > point, plus on win what? i have been assuming that fetchmail would be > fetching mail from my isps, procmail would put it into mail folders on > the server and some imap server would server them out to the lan, > assuming i have this right is there a way to avoid find a client for > each machine that supports the features of kmail and having to configure > it seperately, > is the only way to run kmail locally in an x session on the server and > use vnc or something over the lan? > > bascule Hi bascule, kmail is currently not able to filter into imap folders. so you have to filter in the imap or something else (postfix, sieve... depends on your imap server). the other thing: you either can use nfs to share your home-account over the network, so you only need the settings once, or you have to configure it on every host you use. But you can simply copy the neccessary files to all hosts you want to use. Martin -- H E L I X Gesellschaft für Software & Engineering mbH Hanauer Landstrasse 52 Telefon (069) 4789 35-30 60314 Frankfurt am Main Telefax (069) 4789 35-44 http://www.helix-gmbh.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] msg64705/pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [expert] imap server and kmail features
On Mon, January 20 2003 8:16 pm, bascule wrote: > chuck, it's not about multiple accounts its about using multiple addresses > depending on whom i'm writing to, for instance posts to mailing lists come > from 'bascule <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>' > mail to friends comes from ' somethingelse' > but messages to both these addresses go to the same isp and are collected > from the same account, kmail filters them into folders so that when i reply > to you from my 'mandrake;expert' folder the correct 'from' address is > filled in, i find this a very useful feature, i can set up something on the > server to do the filtering i'm sure but i will still need to set each > client up to associate the correct 'from' address to each folder ot acceses > via imap, unless there is a solution i'm missing > Read my other response. Since it was (to me anyone) two questions, I gave two answers. -- Chuck Burns, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ---==--- Blessed are they who Go Around in Circles, for they Shall be Known as Wheels. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] imap server and kmail features
chuck, it's not about multiple accounts its about using multiple addresses depending on whom i'm writing to, for instance posts to mailing lists come from 'bascule <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>' mail to friends comes from ' somethingelse' but messages to both these addresses go to the same isp and are collected from the same account, kmail filters them into folders so that when i reply to you from my 'mandrake;expert' folder the correct 'from' address is filled in, i find this a very useful feature, i can set up something on the server to do the filtering i'm sure but i will still need to set each client up to associate the correct 'from' address to each folder ot acceses via imap, unless there is a solution i'm missing bascule On Tuesday 21 Jan 2003 2:07 am, Chuck Burns wrote: > On Mon, January 20 2003 7:58 pm, bascule wrote: > > i've been doing some reading with the intention of setting up a box to > > *snipped stuff about multi accounts and imap* > Set up your imap server, set up fetchmail to grab mail from ALL your > accounts, voila! it's done. -- DROP THE SCYTHE, AND TURN AROUND SLOWLY. -- Dirty Death (Terry Pratchett, Reaper Man) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] imap server and kmail features
On Mon, January 20 2003 7:58 pm, bascule wrote: *snip* > isps, procmail would put it into mail folders on the server and some imap > server would server them out to the lan, assuming i have this right is > there a way to avoid find a client for each machine that supports the > features of kmail and having to configure it seperately, *snip* Also, if you want certain mails into certain folders, use procmail to deliver it to different mailboxes. The IMAP server reads your local ~/mbox files, and anything in your ~/mail folder (assuming its mbox format) I used to have one of my boxes doing that for me, and I had procmail filtering all my mailing lists into their respective folders. -- Chuck Burns, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ---==--- There are three things men can do with women: love them, suffer for them, or turn them into literature. -- Stephen Stills Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] imap server and kmail features
On Mon, January 20 2003 7:58 pm, bascule wrote: > i've been doing some reading with the intention of setting up a box to *snipped stuff about multi accounts and imap* Set up your imap server, set up fetchmail to grab mail from ALL your accounts, voila! it's done. -- Chuck Burns, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ---==--- Having a wonderful wine, wish you were beer. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] imap server and kmail features
i've been doing some reading with the intention of setting up a box to collect all my mail so that i can use imap to look at mail from any box and any os but i just thought of what for me could be a showstopper, i use the multiple identities feature of kmail a lot, mail is sorted into folders and identities associated, now maybe i could set up all my linux installs with kmailset up individualy but this seems to be missing the point, plus on win what? i have been assuming that fetchmail would be fetching mail from my isps, procmail would put it into mail folders on the server and some imap server would server them out to the lan, assuming i have this right is there a way to avoid find a client for each machine that supports the features of kmail and having to configure it seperately, is the only way to run kmail locally in an x session on the server and use vnc or something over the lan? bascule -- What our ancestors would really be thinking, if they were alive today, is: "Why is it so dark in here?" (Pyramids) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] imap on Mandrake 7.2
> That probably means, xinetd listens and responds to > request on imap port but > fails to spawn imap program. First, make sure the port is opened in the services file. Then try telnet localhost:143. Then try connecting using pine. Then check your hosts.allow and any other firewall settings that you are using. Ron __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] imap on Mandrake 7.2
Yes I have checked that. imap-4.7c2-4mdk is installed. /usr/sbin/imapd exists and is executable. I am also unable to use netscape's internal movemail program. It complains that the /var/spool/mail/ directory can not be written into to create lock file. It has permissions drwxr-xr-x with owner/group as root.mail. Original Message Follows From: Matthew Micene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Amit Bapat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [expert] imap on Mandrake 7.2 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 09:56:24 -0500 On Tuesday 05 December 2000 12:32 am, you wrote: > > This may sound stupid. But it is happening. This may also sound stupid, but are you sure you have an imap server installed? Check the path that xinetd is trying to execute when spawning the process and make sure that there is something there. Just because xinetd (or inetd for that matter) knows how to interact with a daemon doesn't necessarily mean it got installed. -- Matthew Micene Systems Development Manager Express Search Inc. www.ExpressSearch.com A host is a host from coast to coast, and no one will talk to a host too close Unless the host that isn't close is busy, hung or dead _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
[expert] imap on Mandrake 7.2
This may sound stupid. But it is happening. I have installed Mandrake 7.2 with High Security Setting. I edited /etc/xinetd.d/imap file to change the line disable = yes to disable = no and then restarted xinetd with /etc/rc.d/init.d/xinetd reload. Now when I use netstat I see that xinetd is listening on port 143. But if I try to see my mail folders using netscape with IMAP setting it reports error 'Can't connect to server'. So I tried 'telnet localhost imap' and See following message. --- Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost.localdomain. Escape character is '^]'. Connection closed by foreign host. --- That probably means, xinetd listens and responds to request on imap port but fails to spawn imap program. Am I right about this? is there something I am not doing right? Please help. Thanks, Amit _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
[expert] IMAP over SSL
Okay, *EXPERTS*! Here's a good one for you. I am trying to run UW IMAP over SSL. I have compiled and installed the most recent OpenSSL; I have done the same for UW IMAP (IMAP 2000 release candidate 6), verified that the services are in /etc/services (simap 993/tcp) and that a line for simap exists in /etc/inetd.conf; qmail is my MTA... I can connect normally to the IMAP service at port 143; but when I try to do an SSL connect (using Nutscrape Massager 4.3) it gives me a dialog box saying "Connect: Contacting host [hostname]" (where [hostname] is the name of the host, and gives me the old "cylon" progress bar... *sigh*... then fails. [hostname] is not a fully qualified domain name; it is an alias that appears in my NT (SILENCE! It is only a test station) LMHOSTS file; I can access the standard IMAP service at port 143 using [hostname], so I don't think it is a domain name problem. What I suspect is that there is a problem with my key and certificate. I tried to use openssl req to generate a self-signed root CA certificate. It seems to generate without errors... I put the private key and the certificate together as described in the SSLBUILD file (UW IMAP) and put it in /usr/local/ssl/certs, name it imapd.pem... I just can't figure out why this won't work, though. This can't be that complicated. Is there anybody out there who has set this up before? Input wanted. =) -Stephen- Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] IMAP/SMTP
Tim For Mandrake 7.1 all you have to do is edit the /etc/inetd.conf file and uncomment the imap line, everything else is already setup. Ron Tim Strudwick wrote: > My last post didn't appear to make it. Here is the contents of my > message: > > I have replaced my RedHat 6.2 with Mandrake 7.1. I used to use the > Redhat machine as an IMAP and SMTP server. It was easy to set up, just > a few files to edit in /etc/mail directory. But now with Mandrake I > could not find what needed to be modified. > > Thanks in advance for any help you may provide. > > regards, > > Tim Strudwick -- Ron Wolf Die Hard Linux Advocate [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wolfamily.net
[expert] IMAP/SMTP
My last post didn't appear to make it. Here is the contents of my message: I have replaced my RedHat 6.2 with Mandrake 7.1. I used to use the Redhat machine as an IMAP and SMTP server. It was easy to set up, just a few files to edit in /etc/mail directory. But now with Mandrake I could not find what needed to be modified. Thanks in advance for any help you may provide. regards, Tim Strudwick
[expert] imap
Hi, I have sendmail and fetchmail up just fine. I am trying to setup the IMAP server that comes with Mandrake 7.0, but I can not find any docs that came with Mandrake or the config file for IMAP. Can anyone point me to applicable docs for IMAP and were the config file is located? I searched my machine and the Internet for docs and config file, but no luck. -- Best Regards, Bruce
Re: [expert] IMAP
On Thu, 02 Dec 1999, Shannon M. Johnston wrote: -I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to get IMAP working on my server. The -package is installed and the lines are uncommented in the inetd.conf -file. The services are set for the correct ports, but it's just plain -not working. Does anybody know what's going on? Two places to look. As root do a "tail -f /var/log/messages" and watch treh message as you try to connect. You will see somehing like: Dec 3 07:32:56 cypci319 imapd[11168]: imap service init from This tells you that imapd is really starting. In another window do "tail -f /var/log/maillog" and look at the messages when you try to connect. If impad is startes\d you will see someting like: Dec 3 07:32:56 cypci319 imapd[11168]: imap service init from Dec 3 07:33:00 cypci319 imapd[11168]: Authenticated user= This will help dignose problems with the connection. -- Stephen Carville A well educated citizenry, being essential to the maintenance of a free society, the right of the people, to keep and read books shall not be infringed.
Re: [expert] IMAP
I figured it out. Somehow the IMAP daemon was wiped off of my system. Bummer. phobet-winterchan wrote: > What are you using as a client? What kind of error messages (if any) are > you getting. How do you know it's *not* working? Can you telnet to port > 143, and establish a connection? Maybe there's just no mail... > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Shannon M. Johnston > > Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 00:57 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [expert] IMAP > > > > > > I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to get IMAP working on my server. The > > package is installed and the lines are uncommented in the inetd.conf > > file. The services are set for the correct ports, but it's just plain > > not working. Does anybody know what's going on? > > > > TIA, > > Nunar > >
RE: [expert] IMAP
What are you using as a client? What kind of error messages (if any) are you getting. How do you know it's *not* working? Can you telnet to port 143, and establish a connection? Maybe there's just no mail... > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Shannon M. Johnston > Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 00:57 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [expert] IMAP > > > I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to get IMAP working on my server. The > package is installed and the lines are uncommented in the inetd.conf > file. The services are set for the correct ports, but it's just plain > not working. Does anybody know what's going on? > > TIA, > Nunar >
[expert] IMAP
I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to get IMAP working on my server. The package is installed and the lines are uncommented in the inetd.conf file. The services are set for the correct ports, but it's just plain not working. Does anybody know what's going on? TIA, Nunar
RE: [expert] imap
xfmail supports imap. i have no idea how good it is. I'm a pop user. On 21-Sep-99 Gavin Grabias wrote: > Anyone no any good imap mail clients other then mahogany? > -- > > Regards, >Gavin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > ENTER.NET - "The Road to the Internet Starts Here!" (tm) > (610) 437-2221 * http://www.enter.net/ * email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- Jason Bodnar + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Tivoli Systems I swear, sometimes I'd forget my own head if it wasn't up my ass. -- Jason Bodnar
Re: [expert] imap
On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, you wrote: > Anyone no any good imap mail clients other then mahogany? > -- Im sorry for my complete stupidity in spelling it no Somedays are better than others in my line of work! Regards, Gavin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ENTER.NET - "The Road to the Internet Starts Here!" (tm) (610) 437-2221 * http://www.enter.net/ * email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[expert] imap
Anyone no any good imap mail clients other then mahogany? -- Regards, Gavin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ENTER.NET - "The Road to the Internet Starts Here!" (tm) (610) 437-2221 * http://www.enter.net/ * email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
