Re: [expert] web/email server

[burk]

On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Jason Smith wrote:

> POSTFIX is to slow when remotly checking mail. I use sendmail with a package
> called antispam which allows POP befor SMTP auth so my users can RELAY mail
> through the server.

What do you mean "when remotely checking mail"? I'm not clear what you're
trying to say.

>Sendmail is used by 75 % of server owners.

I wouldn't be surprised if it were more than that, but that doesn't make
it better. I think comparing sendmail to either qmail or postfix is like
comparing apples and oranges. I think most people who are new to
postmasterdom might do better off starting with postfix. 

YMMV
-burk

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Re: [expert] web/email server

[Jason Smith]

POSTFIX is to slow when remotly checking mail. I use sendmail with a package
called antispam which allows POP befor SMTP auth so my users can RELAY mail
through the server. Sendmail is used by 75 % of server owners.


- Original Message -
From: "Joseph S. Gardner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Linux Expert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [expert] web/email server


> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Joseph S. Gardner wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > any preferences between postfix, QMail or sendmail?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Yes. I've used postfix and qmail. I prefer postfix. This is because
> >
> > 1. postfix is easier to set up prevent an open relay "out of the box".
> >
> > 2. Is quite easy to configure, as long as you read the directions or are
> > willing to visit the postfix web site when something doesn't work right
> > because you didn't follow directions.
> >
> > 3. Has an active mailing list, which Wietse Venema (postfix
> > author) actively contributes to.
> >
> > 4. It serves me well. We run mail for 10 or so active virtual hosts,
> > probably about 1000msg/day, and postfix is set it up and forget it, all
on
> > an Pentium II 233MHz with 48M of ram. We run pop for most of the users
(I
> > use pine on the box itself). It is quite fast as well.
> >
> > Please note, qmail, which was written by Dan Bernstein, is also well
> > regarded. I had a harder time setting it up, but then I was less
> > experienced at the time. You won't go far wrong with either. Sendmail is
> > a huge program, written when email was tranferred using a larger number
of
> > protocols and your MTA needed to support them all. Ergo, it is much
harder
> > to configure. Its bad reputation was probably founded by some security
> > bugs (fixed for a while now), and the fact that many vendors shipped it
> > as an open relay "out of the box" IIRC. I've never used it.
> >
> > These, of course, are my opinions, probably worth more or less what
you're
> > paying for them .
> >
> > -burk
> >
> > --
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>
> All opinions welcome =0)  especially since I haven't figured out where to
> start
>
> Thanks
> --
> Joseph S Gardner
>
> Senior Designer / Technical Support
> Kirby Co., Cleveland, OH
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>
> The box said,
> "Requires Windows 3.x or better",
> so I got Linux.
>
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>
>
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Re: [expert] web/email server

[Joseph S. Gardner]

Denis Havlik wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Joseph S. Gardner wrote:
>
> :~>Finally got my gateway/router/firewall setup running with one of those
> :~>single floppy packages (sorry Mandrake) and am looking to start on the
> :~>web/email server and am looking for a place to start.
> :~>
> "Good place to start" is IMHO called "Corporate Server 1.0".
>
> cu
> Denis

Thanks, I missed the announcement - going to check it out now

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Re: [expert] web/email server

[Denis Havlik]

On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Joseph S. Gardner wrote:

:~>Finally got my gateway/router/firewall setup running with one of those
:~>single floppy packages (sorry Mandrake) and am looking to start on the
:~>web/email server and am looking for a place to start.
:~>
"Good place to start" is IMHO called "Corporate Server 1.0".

cu
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Re: [expert] web/email server

[Joseph S. Gardner]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Joseph S. Gardner wrote:
>
> >
> > any preferences between postfix, QMail or sendmail?
> >
> >
>
> Yes. I've used postfix and qmail. I prefer postfix. This is because
>
> 1. postfix is easier to set up prevent an open relay "out of the box".
>
> 2. Is quite easy to configure, as long as you read the directions or are
> willing to visit the postfix web site when something doesn't work right
> because you didn't follow directions.
>
> 3. Has an active mailing list, which Wietse Venema (postfix
> author) actively contributes to.
>
> 4. It serves me well. We run mail for 10 or so active virtual hosts,
> probably about 1000msg/day, and postfix is set it up and forget it, all on
> an Pentium II 233MHz with 48M of ram. We run pop for most of the users (I
> use pine on the box itself). It is quite fast as well.
>
> Please note, qmail, which was written by Dan Bernstein, is also well
> regarded. I had a harder time setting it up, but then I was less
> experienced at the time. You won't go far wrong with either. Sendmail is
> a huge program, written when email was tranferred using a larger number of
> protocols and your MTA needed to support them all. Ergo, it is much harder
> to configure. Its bad reputation was probably founded by some security
> bugs (fixed for a while now), and the fact that many vendors shipped it
> as an open relay "out of the box" IIRC. I've never used it.
>
> These, of course, are my opinions, probably worth more or less what you're
> paying for them .
>
> -burk
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Linux File Managers: http://www.pobox.com/~burk/linuxfile.html

All opinions welcome =0)  especially since I haven't figured out where to
start

Thanks
--
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Senior Designer / Technical Support
Kirby Co., Cleveland, OH
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"Requires Windows 3.x or better",
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Re: [expert] web/email server

[burk]

On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Joseph S. Gardner wrote:

> Am I correct in assuming that POP, SMTP, Qmail, and Postfix run on top of
> sendmail??

Nope.

postfix or Qmail replaces sendmail.

SMTP is the protocol used by postfix, Qmail or sendmail.

POP is a separate protocol, which allows transfer of mail data to clients
computer independent of smtp. The popd to run the server side of this
protocol is in the imap package, the client side is in netscape, outlook,
eudora, pegasus, etc. 

Hope this helps.

-burk


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Re: [expert] web/email server

[Joseph S. Gardner]

Am I correct in assuming that POP, SMTP, Qmail, and Postfix run on top of
sendmail??


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Re: [expert] web/email server

[Daniel Woods]

> The plan is to use the port forwarding feature in the router but at this
> point I'm only certain of the web port being 80, is there one for mail?

Mail uses SMTP port 25 to send out.  See /etc/services for other port numbers.

> On that note is sendmail the software of choice or is there something
> else out there that people like better?  Sorry if I don't have all the
> intelligent questions yet but am looking for somewhere to start.

The alternatives (and more secure) are postfix (in LM7.1) or QMail.

Thanks... Dan.

Re: [expert] web/email server

[Cecil Watson]

HTTP is port 80
SMTP (what you use to send mail) is 25
POP (what you use to get mail) is 110


- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph S. Gardner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Linux Expert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 12:26 PM
Subject: [expert] web/email server


> Greets all
> 
> Finally got my gateway/router/firewall setup running with one of those
> single floppy packages (sorry Mandrake) and am looking to start on the
> web/email server and am looking for a place to start.
> 
> The plan is to use the port forwarding feature in the router but at this
> point I'm only certain of the web port being 80, is there one for mail?
> 
> On that note is sendmail the software of choice or is there something
> else out there that people like better?  Sorry if I don't have all the
> intelligent questions yet but am looking for somewhere to start.
> 
> I am also looking for opinions on webmail from ADJE (www.adjeweb.com) to
> setup webmail for the users in my family and possibly Mailman
> (www.list.org) for a local LUG.
> 
> Suggestions, comments hatemail all accepted with grace.
> 
> --
> Joseph S Gardner
> 
> The box said,
> "Requires Windows 3.x or better",
> so I got Linux.
> 
> Registered Linux user #1696600
> 
> 
> 

[expert] web/email server

[Joseph S. Gardner]

Greets all

Finally got my gateway/router/firewall setup running with one of those
single floppy packages (sorry Mandrake) and am looking to start on the
web/email server and am looking for a place to start.

The plan is to use the port forwarding feature in the router but at this
point I'm only certain of the web port being 80, is there one for mail?

On that note is sendmail the software of choice or is there something
else out there that people like better?  Sorry if I don't have all the
intelligent questions yet but am looking for somewhere to start.

I am also looking for opinions on webmail from ADJE (www.adjeweb.com) to
setup webmail for the users in my family and possibly Mailman
(www.list.org) for a local LUG.

Suggestions, comments hatemail all accepted with grace.

--
Joseph S Gardner

The box said,
"Requires Windows 3.x or better",
so I got Linux.

Registered Linux user #1696600