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:~My company appears to have tied themselves quite closely to MS. The mail :~servers are NT boxes requiring domain logins which to me means no POP and no :~SMTP. I don't know enough about Outlook/Exchange to know what protocol the :~client/server system uses. I do know the system normally acts like an IMAP4 :~server because we can access our email via the web or DL locally to our :~machines via Outlook. IMAP4 is just as good as POP (actually better since you can keep mail on server, though very resource intensive on server). More or less any mail prog. should support it by now I think -- - Dr. Denis Havlikhttp://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/havlik Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality Assurance (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ---oOO--(_)--OOo- visit our new discusion forum: http://forum.mandrakesoft.com
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-Original Message- From: Denis Havlik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 12:57 PM To: Zaleski, Matthew (M.E.) Subject: RE: [expert] I'll be back :~My understanding is that IMAP4 is a DL ownly protocol. I need SMTP :~available if I want to send out from that Exchange server. Is that correct? Yes. But, how on earth are these look-out clients sending their messages if no SMTP server is around? (i know nothing about windoze world, sorry) I wish I knew less about the Windoze world. It appears, although I have not done any indepth research yet, that when Outlook is configured to talk to an Exchange server, they use a private protocol that is not SMTP, POP3 or IMAP4. Exchange IS capable of all of those protocols, but appears to support another proprietary one for an intergrated solution. The way our Outlook clients are configured, I can do calendar type activities, like schedule meetings and meeting rooms and know immediately the availability of people and resources. It works reasonably well. I just wish it would work directly from Linux so that I didn't need to run VMWare or Win4Lin. Matt
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-Original Message- From: Jens Benecke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 2:26 PM To: Zaleski, Matthew (M.E.) Cc: Denis Havlik; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] I'll be back On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 01:02:32PM -0400, Zaleski, Matthew (M.E.) wrote: :~My understanding is that IMAP4 is a DL ownly protocol. I need SMTP :~available if I want to send out from that Exchange server. Is that correct? Yes. But, how on earth are these look-out clients sending their messages if no SMTP server is around? (i know nothing about windoze world, sorry) I wish I knew less about the Windoze world. It appears, although I have not done any indepth research yet, that when Outlook is configured to talk to an Exchange server, they use a private protocol that is not SMTP, POP3 or IMAP4. Exchange IS capable of all of those protocols, but appears to support another proprietary one for an intergrated solution. What do you expect, this is Microsoft! It's nothing new that no MS application exposes it's complete functionality without the rest of the computer also being MS-only. There is no technical problem, it's simply politics. Microsoft wants to kill Sendmail Co. They do this by putting extra features into Outlook that you can only use if you are using Exchange as well. And because they want you to use Outlook as well, they make Exchange talk a proprietary, secret protocol. Of course that's assuming I'm right that MS uses a proprietary protocol with Outlook/Exchange. The way our Outlook clients are configured, I can do calendar type activities, like schedule meetings and meeting rooms and know immediately the availability of people and resources. It works reasonably well. I just wish it would work directly from Linux so that I didn't need to run VMWare or Win4Lin. you can always use the web frontend of Exchange. It actually works with Netscape. g Well, my only concern is ease of getting my meeting appts put into the calendar. If I use IMAP4 or POP3 to bring my mail local under Linux, I don't think I can auto-add meetings as they arrive in my mail package. -- ciao, Jens (mailaddr im Header) http://www.pinguin.conetix.de "Schiebe nie etwas auf Boshaftigkeit, was http://www.hitch-hiker.de ausreichend durch Dummheit erklärt werden kann." http://www.linuxfaq.de
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The way it breaks down is this. Exchange has it's own MTA serivces built in. Exchange can support IMAP, MAPI, SMTP, POP3, CCMAIL...etc. If you setup Exchange to work with Outlook using the Microsoft Exchange Server protocol, then you are using MAPI and any and all work done between the two (the server and the client) is passed using that protocol. However, when it come time for the Exchange box to send or receive mail to the outside world (the rest of the internet) it uses the SMTP protocol. You can see if the Exchange box is running SMTP and POP3 by telneting into the specific ports (110 25). If the Exchange box has the services enabled, you will see the following messages: +OK Microsoft Exchange POP3 server version 5.5.2650.23 ready 220 mailbox.foo.net ESMTP Server (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service .5.2650.21) ready "Zaleski, Matthew (M.E.)" wrote: -Original Message- From: Denis Havlik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 12:57 PM To: Zaleski, Matthew (M.E.) Subject: RE: [expert] I'll be back :~My understanding is that IMAP4 is a DL ownly protocol. I need SMTP :~available if I want to send out from that Exchange server. Is that correct? Yes. But, how on earth are these look-out clients sending their messages if no SMTP server is around? (i know nothing about windoze world, sorry) I wish I knew less about the Windoze world. It appears, although I have not done any indepth research yet, that when Outlook is configured to talk to an Exchange server, they use a private protocol that is not SMTP, POP3 or IMAP4. Exchange IS capable of all of those protocols, but appears to support another proprietary one for an intergrated solution. The way our Outlook clients are configured, I can do calendar type activities, like schedule meetings and meeting rooms and know immediately the availability of people and resources. It works reasonably well. I just wish it would work directly from Linux so that I didn't need to run VMWare or Win4Lin. Matt
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The most direct route would be to telnet into the mail server on the pop or smtp ports. If you gain access, it does. You can go from there. --T. "Zaleski, Matthew (M.E.)" wrote: How would I go about proving/disproving whether our Exchange servers still support SMTP/POP3? When they switched us over, they killed my old POP3 account that was on a UNIX box somewhere on campus. -Original Message- From: Todd Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 6:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] I'll be back Outlook and Exchange both do POP and SMTP. Exchange has its own MTA and will either handle SMTP independently or it will forward to an SMTP gateway. John Aldrich wrote: On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, you wrote: Outlook 2000 DOES do threading. I'm using for this list now. I have to use Outlook as my company has standardized on M$ Exchange. Does Exchange not do POP and SMTP? John
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They do, though I assume that the sysadmins could turn it off if they wanted, for some reason, to do so. "Zaleski, Matthew (M.E.)" wrote: How would I go about proving/disproving whether our Exchange servers still support SMTP/POP3? When they switched us over, they killed my old POP3 account that was on a UNIX box somewhere on campus. -Original Message- From: Todd Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 6:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] I'll be back Outlook and Exchange both do POP and SMTP. Exchange has its own MTA and will either handle SMTP independently or it will forward to an SMTP gateway. John Aldrich wrote: On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, you wrote: Outlook 2000 DOES do threading. I'm using for this list now. I have to use Outlook as my company has standardized on M$ Exchange. Does Exchange not do POP and SMTP? John -- "Brian, the man from babble-on" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian T. Schellenberger http://www.babbleon.org Support http://www.eff.org. Support decss defendents. Support http://www.programming-freedom.org. Boycott amazon.com.
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How would I go about proving/disproving whether our Exchange servers still support SMTP/POP3? When they switched us over, they killed my old POP3 account that was on a UNIX box somewhere on campus. -Original Message- From: Todd Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 6:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] I'll be back Outlook and Exchange both do POP and SMTP. Exchange has its own MTA and will either handle SMTP independently or it will forward to an SMTP gateway. John Aldrich wrote: On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, you wrote: Outlook 2000 DOES do threading. I'm using for this list now. I have to use Outlook as my company has standardized on M$ Exchange. Does Exchange not do POP and SMTP? John
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Outlook and Exchange both do POP and SMTP. Exchange has its own MTA and will either handle SMTP independently or it will forward to an SMTP gateway. John Aldrich wrote: On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, you wrote: Outlook 2000 DOES do threading. I'm using for this list now. I have to use Outlook as my company has standardized on M$ Exchange. Does Exchange not do POP and SMTP? John
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Civilme, You'll be missed by all of us and are definitely needed... I hope someone sends his outlook a really nice love letter. hehe Nightwriter At 07:03 AM 7/25/00, you wrote: Civileme wrote: A political appointee has decided that he can't use kmail and must have outlook. Today he showed his power by dismissing me and four other employees to scrape together enough money to convert to Microsoft. I'll be moving from place to place for a while, and I won't have a steady address. So take care folks. I'll catch up when I can. Civileme We'll be looking forward to your return. Best of luck, let us know if we can help. -- Joseph S Gardner Senior Designer / Technical Support Kirby Co., Cleveland, OH [EMAIL PROTECTED] The box said, "Requires Windows 3.x or better", so I got Linux. Registered Linux user #1696600
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My company appears to have tied themselves quite closely to MS. The mail servers are NT boxes requiring domain logins which to me means no POP and no SMTP. I don't know enough about Outlook/Exchange to know what protocol the client/server system uses. I do know the system normally acts like an IMAP4 server because we can access our email via the web or DL locally to our machines via Outlook. Matt -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 11:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [expert] I'll be back On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, you wrote: Outlook 2000 DOES do threading. I'm using for this list now. I have to use Outlook as my company has standardized on M$ Exchange. Does Exchange not do POP and SMTP? John
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I feel like the wind just changed directions and it's time for Mary Poppins to go. Civileme, if you can hear me out there, I want you to know how much I appreciate your infinite wisdom and kindness in what can be a cold and unforgiving world. You could be counted on to help find solutions to our problems and you are one amazing linux guru. I will miss you in this forum and will be keeping my eye out for your return. Thanks, Pelon On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, you wrote: A political appointee has decided that he can't use kmail and must have outlook. Today he showed his power by dismissing me and four other employees to scrape together enough money to convert to Microsoft. I'll be moving from place to place for a while, and I won't have a steady address. So take care folks. I'll catch up when I can. Civileme
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Holy Hanna! that sucks and so does this moron official. :| But, you know what they say...what goes around comes around. -- Mark ** Registered Linux user # 182496 ** On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Civileme wrote: A political appointee has decided that he can't use kmail and must have outlook. Today he showed his power by dismissing me and four other employees to scrape together enough money to convert to Microsoft. I'll be moving from place to place for a while, and I won't have a steady address. So take care folks. I'll catch up when I can. Civileme
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This thing really stinks! Who was this "appointee"? I am going to seriously miss you Civileme. I feel like someone just punch me in the gut and is standing there laughing. It's not fair! -- Mark ** Registered Linux user # 182496 ** On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Pelon wrote: I feel like the wind just changed directions and it's time for Mary Poppins to go. Civileme, if you can hear me out there, I want you to know how much I appreciate your infinite wisdom and kindness in what can be a cold and unforgiving world. You could be counted on to help find solutions to our problems and you are one amazing linux guru. I will miss you in this forum and will be keeping my eye out for your return. Thanks, Pelon On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, you wrote: A political appointee has decided that he can't use kmail and must have outlook. Today he showed his power by dismissing me and four other employees to scrape together enough money to convert to Microsoft. I'll be moving from place to place for a while, and I won't have a steady address. So take care folks. I'll catch up when I can. Civileme
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I think we all feel this way about Civileme! Thanks Civileme! Wish you all the best! Bambi On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Pelon wrote: I feel like the wind just changed directions and it's time for Mary Poppins to go. Civileme, if you can hear me out there, I want you to know how much I appreciate your infinite wisdom and kindness in what can be a cold and unforgiving world. You could be counted on to help find solutions to our problems and you are one amazing linux guru. I will miss you in this forum and will be keeping my eye out for your return. Thanks, Pelon On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, you wrote: A political appointee has decided that he can't use kmail and must have outlook. Today he showed his power by dismissing me and four other employees to scrape together enough money to convert to Microsoft. I'll be moving from place to place for a while, and I won't have a steady address. So take care folks. I'll catch up when I can. Civileme
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Civileme wrote: A political appointee has decided that he can't use kmail and must have outlook. Today he showed his power by dismissing me and four other employees to scrape together enough money to convert to Microsoft. I'll be moving from place to place for a while, and I won't have a steady address. So take care folks. I'll catch up when I can. Civileme, This is bad luck, but still you are better off not being there when he does his MagicS.. Doesn't even realise that Outlook has no threading, so how can anyone follow a thread? How can anyone manage anything by Outlook email withiout threading??? Such bad-seeming events often turn out in hindsight to be turning points, so build on it! Ron.
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Ron Stodden wrote: On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Civileme wrote: A political appointee has decided that he can't use kmail and must have outlook. Today he showed his power by dismissing me and four other employees to scrape together enough money to convert to Microsoft. I'll be moving from place to place for a while, and I won't have a steady address. So take care folks. I'll catch up when I can. Civileme, This is bad luck, but still you are better off not being there when he does his MagicS.. Doesn't even realise that Outlook has no threading, so how can anyone follow a thread? How can anyone manage anything by Outlook email withiout threading??? Such bad-seeming events often turn out in hindsight to be turning points, so build on it! Ron. One day that political appointee will realise what happens when the wind changes. May that day be soon! Gonna miss you, Civileme. Bill
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Do *not* go too far man, I am a mostly lurker and you are a major for me to stay on this list. May his pants fall off in the main street one day. Good Luck and take care . On Tue, Jul 25, 2000 at 01:19:27AM -0800, Civileme wrote: A political appointee has decided that he can't use kmail and must have outlook. Today he showed his power by dismissing me and four other employees to scrape together enough money to convert to Microsoft. I'll be moving from place to place for a while, and I won't have a steady address. So take care folks. I'll catch up when I can. Civileme --
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Civileme wrote: A political appointee has decided that he can't use kmail and must have outlook. Today he showed his power by dismissing me and four other employees to scrape together enough money to convert to Microsoft. I'll be moving from place to place for a while, and I won't have a steady address. So take care folks. I'll catch up when I can. Civileme We'll be looking forward to your return. Best of luck, let us know if we can help. -- Joseph S Gardner Senior Designer / Technical Support Kirby Co., Cleveland, OH [EMAIL PROTECTED] The box said, "Requires Windows 3.x or better", so I got Linux. Registered Linux user #1696600
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I'm very sorry to hear that, I'll be waiting to hear how things turn out :) Take care, Mike A political appointee has decided that he can't use kmail and must have outlook. Today he showed his power by dismissing me and four other employees to scrape together enough money to convert to Microsoft. I'll be moving from place to place for a while, and I won't have a steady address. So take care folks. I'll catch up when I can. Civileme
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On Tue, Jul 25, 2000 at 01:19:27AM -0800, Civileme wrote: A political appointee has decided that he can't use kmail and must have outlook. Today he showed his power by dismissing me and four other employees to scrape together enough money to convert to Microsoft. :(( M$ sucks. I'll be moving from place to place for a while, and I won't have a steady address. So take care folks. I'll catch up when I can. We'll (or at least I'll) be missing you! Good luck to you! Alexander Skwar -- Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys ICQ:7328191
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On Tue, Jul 25, 2000 at 09:29:32PM +1000, Ron Stodden wrote: does his MagicS.. Doesn't even realise that Outlook has no threading, so how can anyone follow a thread? How can anyone manage anything by Outlook Well, you know, "professional" programs like Outlook, or like Lotus Notes, often lack that IMO essential feature! And you know what? The officials do not even care, because they don't know WHAT they are missing. This is just one of the many sad examples where us techies know better, but don't have anything to say :-( Alexander Skwar -- Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys ICQ:7328191
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Civileme wrote: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 01:19:27 -0800 From: Civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] I'll be back A political appointee has decided that he can't use kmail and must have outlook. Today he showed his power by dismissing me and four other employees to scrape together enough money to convert to Microsoft. Ouch, that really sucks, don't you hate clueless people in power? Maybe you can set up your own mailserver with a free dns entry from www.dhs.org, running sendmail or postfix. I'll be moving from place to place for a while, and I won't have a steady address. So take care folks. I'll catch when I can. Civileme -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 25
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Yes, it it with unanimity, I am sure, that we all wish you the best, and send our heartfelt thanks for the times in which you kept alive that vital principal of life: "you best keep what you have when you share what you know" Good luck... Craig Woods Fran Parker wrote: I think we all feel this way about Civileme! Thanks Civileme! Wish you all the best! Bambi On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Pelon wrote: I feel like the wind just changed directions and it's time for Mary Poppins to go. Civileme, if you can hear me out there, I want you to know how much I appreciate your infinite wisdom and kindness in what can be a cold and unforgiving world. You could be counted on to help find solutions to our problems and you are one amazing linux guru. I will miss you in this forum and will be keeping my eye out for your return. Thanks, Pelon On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, you wrote: A political appointee has decided that he can't use kmail and must have outlook. Today he showed his power by dismissing me and four other employees to scrape together enough money to convert to Microsoft. I'll be moving from place to place for a while, and I won't have a steady address. So take care folks. I'll catch up when I can. Civileme
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, you wrote: Outlook 2000 DOES do threading. I'm using for this list now. I have to use Outlook as my company has standardized on M$ Exchange. Does Exchange not do POP and SMTP? John
