Re: [expert] Alt-F7 = crash!
On Fri, 07 Apr 2000, you wrote: > Civileme wrote: > > > [snip] > > use ctrl-alt-fx where x is in the range 2-5 f1 brings you to the > > console which X is running on top of and anything you do there is likely > > to break X. > > Once I've pressed ctrl-alt-f1, how do I get back to X ? > alt+F7, assuming you haven't done anything to distrub X. You should really use CTRL+ALT+F2 or higher. John
Re: [expert] Alt-F7 = crash!
On Sat, 08 Apr 2000, you wrote: > Ctrl-Alt-F7 returns me to X, but none of the buttons or icons work. I can > move windows around, but I can't do anything in them. > Then, you have likely done something to X when you went to console #1. Try restarting your system and this time, DON'T USE CONSOLE #1 WHILE UNDER X!!! John
Re: [expert] Alt-F7 = crash!
On Sat, 08 Apr 2000, you wrote: > However, if I use Ctrl-Alt-F2 instead of F1, when I return everything works > right. > So? Just don't use CTRL+ALT+F1. Simple. John
Re: [expert] Alt-F7 = crash!
I have run into this problem but only after having done a suspend previously since the last boot. It happens quite consistently if I suspend twice between boots. (The process of suspending forces you out of X before suspending to avoid another lockup.) Also, in spite of civilme's experience, as long as I stay away from suspending, I do ctnl-alt-F2 / do stuff / alt-F7 all the time without problems. I would stay away from ctnl-alt-F1, though. That's that console that psuedo-lanched the X session in the first place. On Thu, 06 Apr 2000, you wrote: | In the ongoing tradition of "weird & wacky" Ver 7.0-2 problems: | | If I log into KDE as usual, then Ctrl-Alt-F1 to go to a text console | all goes well, until I Alt-F7 to get back to KDE. | | All I get is a black screen. The only keyboard combo that does anything | that I can find is Ctrl-Alt-Del, which does a proper shutdown (although | I can't see anything on the monitor) and reboot. Num lock, Caps lock & | scroll lock lights don't toggle, Alt-F1 (or Ctrl-Alt-F1) or any other F | key does nothing, nor does Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. The monitor doesn't come | back until the machine restarts. | | I've looked in all the /var/log files for something that might explain | it - but all looks fine to me (but I don't really know what I'm looking | for!) | | Anybody have any solutions/hints/comments/guesses??? | | Thanks, | | Trevor -- "Brian, the man from babbleon-on" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian T. Schellenberger http://www.babbleon.org Support http://www.eff.org. Support decss defendents. Support http://www.programming-freedom.org. Boycott amazon.com.
Re: [expert] Alt-F7 = crash!
Well, technically it's only "alt-7" (as in the title of the mail thread here), but I doubt that this makes any difference. It's not supposed to do that, but I recommend using ctl-alt-F2 rather than ctl-alt-F1 myself. Not sure if you would help you any, but it's worth a try. On Sat, 08 Apr 2000, you wrote: | Ctrl-Alt-F7 returns me to X, but none of the buttons or icons work. I can | move windows around, but I can't do anything in them. | | --- Tom Berkley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > Ctrl-Alt-F7 (works here on two different boxes) | > | > Tom | > | > Ron Johnson wrote: | > | > > Civileme wrote: | > > > | > > [snip] | > > > use ctrl-alt-fx where x is in the range 2-5 f1 brings you to the | > > > console which X is running on top of and anything you do there is | > likely | > > > to break X. | > > | > > Once I've pressed ctrl-alt-f1, how do I get back to X ? | > > | > > Ron | > > -- | > > +--+ | > > | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | > > | Jefferson, LA USA WWW : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | > > | | | > > | Most overused words: feel, cool/kewl, fun, myBlah.com| | > > | Most underused word: think | | > > +--+ | > | > | | = | Mage Grimau, Strange Unwashed & Somewhat Slightly Dazed | VoiceMail/Fax: 1-651-328-1145 | | __ | Do You Yahoo!? | Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. | http://im.yahoo.com -- "Brian, the man from babbleon-on" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian T. Schellenberger http://www.babbleon.org Support http://www.eff.org. Support decss defendents. Support http://www.programming-freedom.org. Boycott amazon.com.
Re: [expert] Alt-F7 = crash!
> > Trevor Farrell wrote: > > > > In the ongoing tradition of "weird & wacky" Ver 7.0-2 problems: > > > > If I log into KDE as usual, then Ctrl-Alt-F1 to go to a text console > > all goes well, until I Alt-F7 to get back to KDE. > > > > All I get is a black screen. The only keyboard combo that does anything > > that I can find is Ctrl-Alt-Del, which does a proper shutdown (although > > I can't see anything on the monitor) and reboot. Num lock, Caps lock & > > scroll lock lights don't toggle, Alt-F1 (or Ctrl-Alt-F1) or any other F > > key does nothing, nor does Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. The monitor doesn't come > > back until the machine restarts. > > > > I've looked in all the /var/log files for something that might explain > > it - but all looks fine to me (but I don't really know what I'm looking > > for!) > > > > Anybody have any solutions/hints/comments/guesses??? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Trevor OK, you only need to do Alt-F7 to go back to X, but Ctrl-Alt-F7 works too. And, yes, this has always worked on all previous versions of Linux I have ran on ANY box. As for my h/ware, SiS 6326 chip detected & installed automatically by Mdk 7.0-2, using the SVGA server. The only thing I changed was setting default colour depth from 24bpp to 16bpp to fix Netscape's little monochrome icon problem. The fault, by the way, is intermittent, sometimes it works and sometimes it locks - seems to be about 50/50, but I don't like to do it to often. One of the local guys here suggested it might be something to do with power management shutting down or putting something to sleep. I did an "everything-but-the-kitchen-sink" install, and I notice Kapm & laptop stuff on the Kmenus. Is there something there I should look at? Perhaps uninstall some stuff?
Re: [expert] Alt-F7 = crash!
However, if I use Ctrl-Alt-F2 instead of F1, when I return everything works right. --- Mage Grimau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ctrl-Alt-F7 returns me to X, but none of the buttons or icons work. I can > move windows around, but I can't do anything in them. > > --- Tom Berkley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ctrl-Alt-F7 (works here on two different boxes) > > > > Tom > > > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > > Civileme wrote: > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > use ctrl-alt-fx where x is in the range 2-5 f1 brings you to the > > > > console which X is running on top of and anything you do there is > > likely > > > > to break X. > > > > > > Once I've pressed ctrl-alt-f1, how do I get back to X ? > > > > > > Ron > > > -- > > > +--+ > > > | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > > > | Jefferson, LA USA WWW : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > > > | | > > > | Most overused words: feel, cool/kewl, fun, myBlah.com| > > > | Most underused word: think | > > > +--+ > > > > > > = > Mage Grimau, Strange Unwashed & Somewhat Slightly Dazed > VoiceMail/Fax: 1-651-328-1145 > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > = Mage Grimau, Strange Unwashed & Somewhat Slightly Dazed VoiceMail/Fax: 1-651-328-1145 __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: [expert] Alt-F7 = crash!
Ctrl-Alt-F7 returns me to X, but none of the buttons or icons work. I can move windows around, but I can't do anything in them. --- Tom Berkley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ctrl-Alt-F7 (works here on two different boxes) > > Tom > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > Civileme wrote: > > > > > [snip] > > > use ctrl-alt-fx where x is in the range 2-5 f1 brings you to the > > > console which X is running on top of and anything you do there is > likely > > > to break X. > > > > Once I've pressed ctrl-alt-f1, how do I get back to X ? > > > > Ron > > -- > > +--+ > > | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > > | Jefferson, LA USA WWW : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > > | | > > | Most overused words: feel, cool/kewl, fun, myBlah.com| > > | Most underused word: think | > > +--+ > > = Mage Grimau, Strange Unwashed & Somewhat Slightly Dazed VoiceMail/Fax: 1-651-328-1145 __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: [expert] Alt-F7 = crash!
Ctrl-Alt-F7 (works here on two different boxes) Tom Ron Johnson wrote: > Civileme wrote: > > > [snip] > > use ctrl-alt-fx where x is in the range 2-5 f1 brings you to the > > console which X is running on top of and anything you do there is likely > > to break X. > > Once I've pressed ctrl-alt-f1, how do I get back to X ? > > Ron > -- > +--+ > | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > | Jefferson, LA USA WWW : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > | | > | Most overused words: feel, cool/kewl, fun, myBlah.com| > | Most underused word: think | > +--+
Re: [expert] Alt-F7 = crash!
ctrl-alt-F7 gets you back On Fri, 07 Apr 2000, Ron Johnson mewed: > Civileme wrote: > > > [snip] > > use ctrl-alt-fx where x is in the range 2-5 f1 brings you to the > > console which X is running on top of and anything you do there is likely > > to break X. > > Once I've pressed ctrl-alt-f1, how do I get back to X ? > > Ron > -- > +--+ > | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > | Jefferson, LA USA WWW : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > | | > | Most overused words: feel, cool/kewl, fun, myBlah.com| > | Most underused word: think | > +--+ -- My new linux web server with Apache http://kittypuss.dnydns.org Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web. http://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=kittypuss
Re: [expert] Alt-F7 = crash!
On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Civileme wrote: > use ctrl-alt-fx where x is in the range 2-5 f1 brings you to the > console which X is running on top of and anything you do there is likely > to break X. Not true. ESPECIALLY if you login through xdm, kdm, or gdm. Yes, X is running on top of virtual terminal 1. That means the output is going there. X gets all it's input from terminal 7, though, not 1. About all you can do is ^C or ^Z (kill it or suspend it). A ^Z doesn't even suspend X, just the startx script. And that's only valid if you logged in via getty on terminal 1. If you login via xdm & co., then ^C kills getty, not X! Ctrl-Alt-F-ing through consoles should have no effect on X at all. If one has logged in via xdm, etc., then getty is still running on terminal 1! You can log in and have a shell! This is not necessarily a good idea, because output from X is still going here, and it will likely confuse you, but the point is, X doesn't get input from terminal 1, it just sends it output there. -Matt Stegman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: [expert] Alt-F7 = crash!
On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Ron Johnson wrote: > Civileme wrote: > > > [snip] > > use ctrl-alt-fx where x is in the range 2-5 f1 brings you to the > > console which X is running on top of and anything you do there is likely > > to break X. > > Once I've pressed ctrl-alt-f1, how do I get back to X ? Most likely ctrl-alt-f7. -- Henrik Edlund http://www.edlund.org/ "One is truly wise who has travelled far and knows the ways of the world."
Re: [expert] Alt-F7 = crash!
Civileme wrote: > [snip] > use ctrl-alt-fx where x is in the range 2-5 f1 brings you to the > console which X is running on top of and anything you do there is likely > to break X. Once I've pressed ctrl-alt-f1, how do I get back to X ? Ron -- +--+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA WWW : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | Most overused words: feel, cool/kewl, fun, myBlah.com| | Most underused word: think | +--+
Re: [expert] Alt-F7 = crash!
Trevor Farrell wrote: > > In the ongoing tradition of "weird & wacky" Ver 7.0-2 problems: > > If I log into KDE as usual, then Ctrl-Alt-F1 to go to a text console > all goes well, until I Alt-F7 to get back to KDE. > > All I get is a black screen. The only keyboard combo that does anything > that I can find is Ctrl-Alt-Del, which does a proper shutdown (although > I can't see anything on the monitor) and reboot. Num lock, Caps lock & > scroll lock lights don't toggle, Alt-F1 (or Ctrl-Alt-F1) or any other F > key does nothing, nor does Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. The monitor doesn't come > back until the machine restarts. > > I've looked in all the /var/log files for something that might explain > it - but all looks fine to me (but I don't really know what I'm looking > for!) > > Anybody have any solutions/hints/comments/guesses??? > > Thanks, > > Trevor > > > > use ctrl-alt-fx where x is in the range 2-5 f1 brings you to the console which X is running on top of and anything you do there is likely to break X. Civileme
Re: [expert] Alt-F7 = crash!
I used to live in Manhattan KS now I live in Wichita On Fri, 07 Apr 2000, Pj mewed: > Where is Manhattan, Ks. I'm not to fer from ya.. Pj -- My new linux web server with Apache http://kittypuss.dnydns.org Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web. http://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=kittypuss
Re: [expert] Alt-F7 = crash!
On Thu, 06 Apr 2000, you wrote: > In the ongoing tradition of "weird & wacky" Ver 7.0-2 problems: > > If I log into KDE as usual, then Ctrl-Alt-F1 to go to a text console > all goes well, until I Alt-F7 to get back to KDE. > > All I get is a black screen. The only keyboard combo that does anything > that I can find is Ctrl-Alt-Del, which does a proper shutdown (although > I can't see anything on the monitor) and reboot. Num lock, Caps lock & > scroll lock lights don't toggle, Alt-F1 (or Ctrl-Alt-F1) or any other F > key does nothing, nor does Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. The monitor doesn't come > back until the machine restarts. > What video card do you have? I suspect it may be related to the video driver. Did you try to upgrade to Xfree864 by any chance? If so, that could be a problem John
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Where is Manhattan, Ks. I'm not to fer from ya.. Pj
Re: [expert] Alt-F7 = crash!
It sounds like a problem with X, more than anything else. It _might_ help to know more about your hardware, and maybe what X-server you're using - SVGA vs. S3V vs. MACH64, etc. -Matt Stegman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Trevor Farrell wrote: > If I log into KDE as usual, then Ctrl-Alt-F1 to go to a text console > all goes well, until I Alt-F7 to get back to KDE. > > All I get is a black screen. The only keyboard combo that does anything > that I can find is Ctrl-Alt-Del, which does a proper shutdown (although > I can't see anything on the monitor) and reboot. Num lock, Caps lock & > scroll lock lights don't toggle, Alt-F1 (or Ctrl-Alt-F1) or any other F > key does nothing, nor does Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. The monitor doesn't come > back until the machine restarts. > > I've looked in all the /var/log files for something that might explain > it - but all looks fine to me (but I don't really know what I'm looking > for!)
Re: [expert] Alt-F7 = crash!
Never had the problem. The ctrl-alt-fx keys do what their supposed to on my laptop. Have not checked the dual celeron yet. Will do and let you know if it does not Tom Trevor Farrell wrote: > > In the ongoing tradition of "weird & wacky" Ver 7.0-2 problems: > > If I log into KDE as usual, then Ctrl-Alt-F1 to go to a text console > all goes well, until I Alt-F7 to get back to KDE. > > All I get is a black screen. The only keyboard combo that does anything > that I can find is Ctrl-Alt-Del, which does a proper shutdown (although > I can't see anything on the monitor) and reboot. Num lock, Caps lock & > scroll lock lights don't toggle, Alt-F1 (or Ctrl-Alt-F1) or any other F > key does nothing, nor does Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. The monitor doesn't come > back until the machine restarts. > > I've looked in all the /var/log files for something that might explain > it - but all looks fine to me (but I don't really know what I'm looking > for!) > > Anybody have any solutions/hints/comments/guesses??? > > Thanks, > > Trevor
