Re: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1
I've never looked to see if there is a roll-back option for Mandrake.. but I would assume that your hardware should be fine for 8.1 since I've run it on a P100 with 32MB of RAM :) Leif Madsen - Project Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.plannettechnologies.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: expert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1 I have the MDK 8.1 CD I got as a burned ISO... I know that it is usually best to perform clean installs, but- I have Mandrake 7.2 on my laptop, and it is running great. I have also customized and added programs that are useful to me (such as ConsoleOne, Netscape 4.78, VNCviewer etc etc). I would like to install as an upgrade so I don't have to redo all the installations, but I am concerned with breaking something. I guess my question would be: is there a roll-back option available if the upgrade breaks? A second question is what is the minimum hardware requirement for 8.1? Will an AMD 380mhz, with 160MB ram be enough? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1
8.1 seems a lot slower than 7.2, beware on slower machines, it made my 400 go very slow On Wednesday 21 November 2001 02:42, you wrote: I've never looked to see if there is a roll-back option for Mandrake.. but I would assume that your hardware should be fine for 8.1 since I've run it on a P100 with 32MB of RAM :) Leif Madsen - Project Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.plannettechnologies.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: expert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1 I have the MDK 8.1 CD I got as a burned ISO... I know that it is usually best to perform clean installs, but- I have Mandrake 7.2 on my laptop, and it is running great. I have also customized and added programs that are useful to me (such as ConsoleOne, Netscape 4.78, VNCviewer etc etc). I would like to install as an upgrade so I don't have to redo all the installations, but I am concerned with breaking something. I guess my question would be: is there a roll-back option available if the upgrade breaks? A second question is what is the minimum hardware requirement for 8.1? Will an AMD 380mhz, with 160MB ram be enough? -- 8:48pm up 3:18, 3 users, load average: 1.29, 1.28, 1.07 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1
I would have to agree with slower machines. I only use it in the console mode, so it's not bad. I've never used anything before 8.0 though. I find that there was a slow down between 8.1 and 8.0. I'm back to 8.0 because 8.1 isn't nearly as stable either (IMHO). Leif Madsen - Project Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.plannettechnologies.com - Original Message - From: Mark D'voo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1 8.1 seems a lot slower than 7.2, beware on slower machines, it made my 400 go very slow On Wednesday 21 November 2001 02:42, you wrote: I've never looked to see if there is a roll-back option for Mandrake.. but I would assume that your hardware should be fine for 8.1 since I've run it on a P100 with 32MB of RAM :) Leif Madsen - Project Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.plannettechnologies.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: expert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1 I have the MDK 8.1 CD I got as a burned ISO... I know that it is usually best to perform clean installs, but- I have Mandrake 7.2 on my laptop, and it is running great. I have also customized and added programs that are useful to me (such as ConsoleOne, Netscape 4.78, VNCviewer etc etc). I would like to install as an upgrade so I don't have to redo all the installations, but I am concerned with breaking something. I guess my question would be: is there a roll-back option available if the upgrade breaks? A second question is what is the minimum hardware requirement for 8.1? Will an AMD 380mhz, with 160MB ram be enough? -- 8:48pm up 3:18, 3 users, load average: 1.29, 1.28, 1.07 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1
Title: RE: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1 I, too, noticed that. My net server/dev box (p166 w/80MB) runs far faster with 7.2 than with 8.1. If I'm not running KDE or Gnome then things run better, especially if I'm running Blackbox. CPU usage is a lot higher when the machine sits idle... well... it was. I disabled APM in the bios and cpu useage dropped from ~50% to ~10%. It was always less than 10% under 7.2 no matter what. 8.1 seems to like the Nvidia driver more than 7.2 though. I had problems getting that to work under 7.2 (compiled from source - RPM kept complaining about dependancies that were already satisfied). Once I got it to work, it worked well. It seems that 8.1 has no option to install everything and refuses to even if you have everything selected during install. My favorite desktop is missing from it (AfterStep). There are things that are not installed that should have been installed (bind being one of them) but you don't know that until you try starting a service that relies on the missing item (setting up a firewall and internet connection sharing) I like Mandrake, but I may revert (again) to 7.2. That seems to be the best Mandrake has done as long as I've been using the distro (since 6.1 and everything in between) -Original Message- From: Mark D'voo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1 8.1 seems a lot slower than 7.2, beware on slower machines, it made my 400 go very slow On Wednesday 21 November 2001 02:42, you wrote: I've never looked to see if there is a roll-back option for Mandrake.. but I would assume that your hardware should be fine for 8.1 since I've run it on a P100 with 32MB of RAM :) Leif Madsen - Project Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.plannettechnologies.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: expert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1 I have the MDK 8.1 CD I got as a burned ISO... I know that it is usually best to perform clean installs, but- I have Mandrake 7.2 on my laptop, and it is running great. I have also customized and added programs that are useful to me (such as ConsoleOne, Netscape 4.78, VNCviewer etc etc). I would like to install as an upgrade so I don't have to redo all the installations, but I am concerned with breaking something. I guess my question would be: is there a roll-back option available if the upgrade breaks? A second question is what is the minimum hardware requirement for 8.1? Will an AMD 380mhz, with 160MB ram be enough? -- 8:48pm up 3:18, 3 users, load average: 1.29, 1.28, 1.07
Re: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1
Mandrake is the reason i'm still using linux, but 8.1 is way to slow, and 8.0 isn't enough up-to-date. It cause me to switch to jblinux.net which i'm still using. mark On Wednesday 21 November 2001 03:09, you wrote: I would have to agree with slower machines. I only use it in the console mode, so it's not bad. I've never used anything before 8.0 though. I find that there was a slow down between 8.1 and 8.0. I'm back to 8.0 because 8.1 isn't nearly as stable either (IMHO). Leif Madsen - Project Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.plannettechnologies.com - Original Message - From: Mark D'voo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1 8.1 seems a lot slower than 7.2, beware on slower machines, it made my 400 go very slow On Wednesday 21 November 2001 02:42, you wrote: I've never looked to see if there is a roll-back option for Mandrake.. but I would assume that your hardware should be fine for 8.1 since I've run it on a P100 with 32MB of RAM :) Leif Madsen - Project Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.plannettechnologies.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: expert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1 I have the MDK 8.1 CD I got as a burned ISO... I know that it is usually best to perform clean installs, but- I have Mandrake 7.2 on my laptop, and it is running great. I have also customized and added programs that are useful to me (such as ConsoleOne, Netscape 4.78, VNCviewer etc etc). I would like to install as an upgrade so I don't have to redo all the installations, but I am concerned with breaking something. I guess my question would be: is there a roll-back option available if the upgrade breaks? A second question is what is the minimum hardware requirement for 8.1? Will an AMD 380mhz, with 160MB ram be enough? -- 8:48pm up 3:18, 3 users, load average: 1.29, 1.28, 1.07 --- - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- 9:13pm up 3:43, 4 users, load average: 1.28, 1.34, 1.28 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1
I am in the process of developing my own Linux distro to avoid the slowness of the recent Mandrake distro. 8.0 is too hard to upgrade (stable) and 8.1 is slow and unstable IMO. I do love the Mandrake distro though as it has taught me so much, but I think I'm out-growing it.. Leif Madsen - Project Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.plannettechnologies.com - Original Message - From: Mark D'voo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1 Mandrake is the reason i'm still using linux, but 8.1 is way to slow, and 8.0 isn't enough up-to-date. It cause me to switch to jblinux.net which i'm still using. mark On Wednesday 21 November 2001 03:09, you wrote: I would have to agree with slower machines. I only use it in the console mode, so it's not bad. I've never used anything before 8.0 though. I find that there was a slow down between 8.1 and 8.0. I'm back to 8.0 because 8.1 isn't nearly as stable either (IMHO). Leif Madsen - Project Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.plannettechnologies.com - Original Message - From: Mark D'voo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1 8.1 seems a lot slower than 7.2, beware on slower machines, it made my 400 go very slow On Wednesday 21 November 2001 02:42, you wrote: I've never looked to see if there is a roll-back option for Mandrake.. but I would assume that your hardware should be fine for 8.1 since I've run it on a P100 with 32MB of RAM :) Leif Madsen - Project Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.plannettechnologies.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: expert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1 I have the MDK 8.1 CD I got as a burned ISO... I know that it is usually best to perform clean installs, but- I have Mandrake 7.2 on my laptop, and it is running great. I have also customized and added programs that are useful to me (such as ConsoleOne, Netscape 4.78, VNCviewer etc etc). I would like to install as an upgrade so I don't have to redo all the installations, but I am concerned with breaking something. I guess my question would be: is there a roll-back option available if the upgrade breaks? A second question is what is the minimum hardware requirement for 8.1? Will an AMD 380mhz, with 160MB ram be enough? -- 8:48pm up 3:18, 3 users, load average: 1.29, 1.28, 1.07 -- - - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- 9:13pm up 3:43, 4 users, load average: 1.28, 1.34, 1.28 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1
I felt boxed-in by Mandrake as well. Then I tried Debian, and loved it. You might try Slackware if you find Debian not hands-on enough. If you *really* need liberation, check out LinuxFromScratch, a document that describes how to make your own distro. Best of luck! -- Asheesh. On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Leif Madsen wrote: I am in the process of developing my own Linux distro to avoid the slowness of the recent Mandrake distro. 8.0 is too hard to upgrade (stable) and 8.1 is slow and unstable IMO. I do love the Mandrake distro though as it has taught me so much, but I think I'm out-growing it.. Leif Madsen - Project Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.plannettechnologies.com - Original Message - From: Mark D'voo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1 Mandrake is the reason i'm still using linux, but 8.1 is way to slow, and 8.0 isn't enough up-to-date. It cause me to switch to jblinux.net which i'm still using. mark On Wednesday 21 November 2001 03:09, you wrote: I would have to agree with slower machines. I only use it in the console mode, so it's not bad. I've never used anything before 8.0 though. I find that there was a slow down between 8.1 and 8.0. I'm back to 8.0 because 8.1 isn't nearly as stable either (IMHO). Leif Madsen - Project Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.plannettechnologies.com - Original Message - From: Mark D'voo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1 8.1 seems a lot slower than 7.2, beware on slower machines, it made my 400 go very slow On Wednesday 21 November 2001 02:42, you wrote: I've never looked to see if there is a roll-back option for Mandrake.. but I would assume that your hardware should be fine for 8.1 since I've run it on a P100 with 32MB of RAM :) Leif Madsen - Project Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.plannettechnologies.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: expert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1 I have the MDK 8.1 CD I got as a burned ISO... I know that it is usually best to perform clean installs, but- I have Mandrake 7.2 on my laptop, and it is running great. I have also customized and added programs that are useful to me (such as ConsoleOne, Netscape 4.78, VNCviewer etc etc). I would like to install as an upgrade so I don't have to redo all the installations, but I am concerned with breaking something. I guess my question would be: is there a roll-back option available if the upgrade breaks? A second question is what is the minimum hardware requirement for 8.1? Will an AMD 380mhz, with 160MB ram be enough? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1
The responses in this thread so far have not been encouraging. I wonder if there are any other power users (i.e., people who work their system pretty hard) who have had experiences that refute the postings so far. I am running 7.2, but the lack of library support for recent packages is beginning to be a pain. And there have been enough horror stories from 7.2 people trying to install more recent libraries that I haven't wanted to try that either. However, I did just acquire a big second disk, so now I can experiment some with 8.0 and 8.1 to see if I can get either of them working as well as 7.2 has been doing, without affecting my stable 7.2 installation at all. Even so, war stories from people who've tried this before can be very informative. Doc Evans -- Phone: +1 303 494 0394 Mobile: +1 720 839 8462 Fax:+1 781 240 0527 -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1
You know, I haven't had any problems either installing a fresh 8.1 install or upgrading existing 8.0 systems. I've got 8.1 running on: - P100 64Mb RAM (no X -- just gateway box routing packets and it's just been a champ) [fresh install] - dual Celeron 600 384Mb RAM (main workstation that's got everything running on it. Haven't had one problem* ) [upgraded from 8.0] - PIII500 256Mb RAM (no X -- fat SCSI fileserver box with two SCSI drives and two IDE drives) [upgraded from 8.0] - PIII600 128Mb Sony VAIO laptop [fresh install] And 8.0 on: - dual PIII800 356Mb RAM (production web/mail server that's been running since July with no problems whatsoever) - PIII450 128Mb RAM (no X -- test box) I've rolled my own apache as I can't stand the way Mandrake has theirs configured, but other than that, I can't complain. * = for some reason, with all of my 8.1 boxen, I have to manually go in and add the default gateway for my 10.1.1. LAN, even though GATEWAY=10.1.1.1 is in my /etc/sysconfig/network. Has anyone else had that problem? I really wouldn't worry about any problems if I were you. I don't know if I've just been really lucky with all of these machines, but I doubt it. Hope that helps, -Charlie D. R. Evans said: The responses in this thread so far have not been encouraging. I wonder if there are any other power users (i.e., people who work their system pretty hard) who have had experiences that refute the postings so far. I am running 7.2, but the lack of library support for recent packages is beginning to be a pain. And there have been enough horror stories from 7.2 people trying to install more recent libraries that I haven't wanted to try that either. However, I did just acquire a big second disk, so now I can experiment some with 8.0 and 8.1 to see if I can get either of them working as well as 7.2 has been doing, without affecting my stable 7.2 installation at all. Even so, war stories from people who've tried this before can be very informative. Doc Evans -- Phone: +1 303 494 0394 Mobile: +1 720 839 8462 Fax:+1 781 240 0527 -- -- GPG Key fingerprint = 4F36 EC4F 2F2C 5F59 9690 09E5 4C0F 9DB0 8623 53CE Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Upgrade from 7.2 to 8.1
If you do not have separate partitions/mount points for /usr and /usr/local, shame on you, but...if you DO have /usr/local as its own mountpoint (do it, it is worth it) then simply move the netscape directory to /usr/local/lib/netscape and, hopefully, the other apps/thingies you mentioned are not scattered all over /usr and can also be moved. Do a full install instead of upgrade (even if an upgrade works, it will take FOREVER to finish) and simply do not elect to format /usr/local or /home. Install, move the files/directories back to their old locations and go. In any case, what's with Netscape 4.78 that you can't simply reinstall the rpm for it after doing a new install? Netscape is netscape is netscape regardless of distro. Any specific changes you made are tied to some config file which can be saved and moved back into place anyway. On Tuesday 20 November 2001 01:06 pm, you wrote: I have the MDK 8.1 CD I got as a burned ISO... I know that it is usually best to perform clean installs, but- I have Mandrake 7.2 on my laptop, and it is running great. I have also customized and added programs that are useful to me (such as ConsoleOne, Netscape 4.78, VNCviewer etc etc). I would like to install as an upgrade so I don't have to redo all the installations, but I am concerned with breaking something. I guess my question would be: is there a roll-back option available if the upgrade breaks? A second question is what is the minimum hardware requirement for 8.1? Will an AMD 380mhz, with 160MB ram be enough? Ken Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
