Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Jeanette Russo]

ROFL
Jeanette

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Subject: Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?


>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ramon Gandia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> >Steve Philp wrote:
> >>
> >> Can we PLEASE return to a bit of civility here?  This is getting
> >> ridiculous.  Mr. Smith, if you're not happy with the product you
> >> purchased, take it back to the retailer under whatever terms they
> >> offer.  There are plenty of other distributions available that might
> >> give you more satisfaction.
> >
> >Oh c'mon.  We were all enjoying this soap opera.  On episode #9
> >they were talking lawyers.  We are awaiting episode #10.
>
> Yeah, please don't stop!  This is FAR more interesting than the code
> I'm writing for work...  I'm looking forward to the next installment.
>
>

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Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Bug Hunter]

On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Ramon Gandia wrote:

> Steve Philp wrote:
> > 
> > Can we PLEASE return to a bit of civility here?  This is getting
 
> Oh c'mon.  We were all enjoying this soap opera.  On episode #9
> they were talking lawyers.  We are awaiting episode #10.


  And now for episode 10 of "As The CD Burns"  

(a spoof on an American show "As the World Turns" for the international
readers.  It contained much drama, and if I remember correctly,  many
people tried to kill many other people and  never succeeded -- the show
had to go on, of course.  ) 

bug

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Steve Philp]

Michael Doyle wrote:
> 
> G'day,
> 
> Well done Steve, I don't know whats happened to the nice friendly Mandrake I
> started out with last October, it seems since the release of V6.0 the rot has
> set in, and this being one reason for lurking over the last 3 months.

I've begun to wonder myself.  People like Tom, Ramon, Axalon, Gael, and
countless others who've I've chatted with over the past year or so are
the reason I stick with Mandrake.  There is a good group of people
here.  Unfortunately, the wise (and learning to be wise) voices are
being drowned out by a boisterous crew who want to piss on each others'
pant legs.


> On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > Al Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > Kiss my ass, butt plug. Well I can tell you stayed up all night thinking
> > > that one up. My hat goes off to you...
> >
> >
> > How about grabbing your coat on the way out too...
> >
> > Can we PLEASE return to a bit of civility here?  This is getting
> > ridiculous.  Mr. Smith, if you're not happy with the product you
> > purchased, take it back to the retailer under whatever terms they
> > offer.  There are plenty of other distributions available that might
> > give you more satisfaction.
> >
> 
> --
> Michael Doyle
> Adelaide, South Australia
> ICQ # 2635762
> http://landofoz.apana.org.au

-- 
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Network Administrator
Advance Packaging Corporation
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Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Michael Doyle]

G'day,

Well done Steve, I don't know whats happened to the nice friendly Mandrake I
started out with last October, it seems since the release of V6.0 the rot has
set in, and this being one reason for lurking over the last 3 months.



On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> Al Smith wrote:
> > 
> > Kiss my ass, butt plug. Well I can tell you stayed up all night thinking
> > that one up. My hat goes off to you...
> 
> 
> How about grabbing your coat on the way out too...
> 
> Can we PLEASE return to a bit of civility here?  This is getting
> ridiculous.  Mr. Smith, if you're not happy with the product you
> purchased, take it back to the retailer under whatever terms they
> offer.  There are plenty of other distributions available that might
> give you more satisfaction.
> 

-- 
Michael Doyle
Adelaide, South Australia
ICQ # 2635762
http://landofoz.apana.org.au

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Lee Wilson]

-Original Message-
From: Ramon Gandia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


>Steve Philp wrote:
>>
>> Can we PLEASE return to a bit of civility here?  This is getting
>> ridiculous.  Mr. Smith, if you're not happy with the product you
>> purchased, take it back to the retailer under whatever terms they
>> offer.  There are plenty of other distributions available that might
>> give you more satisfaction.
>
>Oh c'mon.  We were all enjoying this soap opera.  On episode #9
>they were talking lawyers.  We are awaiting episode #10.

Yeah, please don't stop!  This is FAR more interesting than the code
I'm writing for work...  I'm looking forward to the next installment.

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Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Ramon Gandia]

Steve Philp wrote:
> 
> Can we PLEASE return to a bit of civility here?  This is getting
> ridiculous.  Mr. Smith, if you're not happy with the product you
> purchased, take it back to the retailer under whatever terms they
> offer.  There are plenty of other distributions available that might
> give you more satisfaction.

Oh c'mon.  We were all enjoying this soap opera.  On episode #9
they were talking lawyers.  We are awaiting episode #10.

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Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Steve Philp]

Al Smith wrote:
> 
> Kiss my ass, butt plug. Well I can tell you stayed up all night thinking
> that one up. My hat goes off to you...


How about grabbing your coat on the way out too...

Can we PLEASE return to a bit of civility here?  This is getting
ridiculous.  Mr. Smith, if you're not happy with the product you
purchased, take it back to the retailer under whatever terms they
offer.  There are plenty of other distributions available that might
give you more satisfaction.

To everyone else, returning fire with fire is NOT the way to resolve
these issues.  This is Linux afterall.  Just take a couple deep breaths,
kick back from the computer for awhile, and take a walk if you need to. 
It's not worth getting THIS upset over.


> > On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, your Nibs wrote:
> > >   And for those that did assist me in any problems that I may of
> have, I
> > >have thanked and helped them in return. So unless you know me or how I
> > >respond or act on things, don't comment on me or make accusations.
> That
> > >will be one thing that WILL get you landed in a nice lawsuit. Got me?
> or
> > >do I need to make it clearer for you?
> >
> > Kiss my ass, buttplug.  What sort of contact with reality do you have?
> > Lawsuit? Don't make me laugh.
> >
> > >
> > >-Al
> > >
> > >> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Al Smith wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Listen you neanderthal I do, do something constructive, I use the
> > >damn
> > >> > OS. I don't like it when I see and hear things get reported and
> > >nothing
> > >> > happens. This has been a gripe for months on this list. And for
> you
> > >even
> > >> > thinking I work for MS is low, makes me think you use a Macintosh
> > >>
> > >> Folks, haven't we learned not to bother with Mr. Smith yet?  As near
> as
> > >I
> > >> can tell, he helps no one on the list, posts no comments worthy of
> > >> discussion, and resorts to ad hominem attacks at the drop of a hat.
> > >> Ignore him; my guess is that his "bug reports" have been similiar in
> > >> flavor, which might explain why he seems to get little response.
> > >>
> > >> Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/
> > >>
> > >> "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage."
> > >> --The Bard
> > >>
> > >
> >
> > 
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> > --
> > Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/
> >
> > "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage."
> > --The Bard

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Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[David Comeau]

I had already made that decision after I wrote to him, and my thoughts
concerning him were confirmed this morning whilst I read read his name-calling
which was in response to my letter to him yesterday. Mr.Smith now has a filter
that will direct him immediately to Trash folder.

On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Al Smith wrote:
> 
> > Listen you neanderthal I do, do something constructive, I use the damn
> > OS. I don't like it when I see and hear things get reported and nothing
> > happens. This has been a gripe for months on this list. And for you even
> > thinking I work for MS is low, makes me think you use a Macintosh
> 
> Folks, haven't we learned not to bother with Mr. Smith yet?  As near as I
> can tell, he helps no one on the list, posts no comments worthy of
> discussion, and resorts to ad hominem attacks at the drop of a hat.
> Ignore him; my guess is that his "bug reports" have been similiar in
> flavor, which might explain why he seems to get little response.
> 
> Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/
> 
> "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage."
> --The Bard

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Al Smith]

Kiss my ass, butt plug. Well I can tell you stayed up all night thinking
that one up. My hat goes off to you...

-Al


> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, your Nibs wrote:
> >   And for those that did assist me in any problems that I may of
have, I
> >have thanked and helped them in return. So unless you know me or how I
> >respond or act on things, don't comment on me or make accusations.
That
> >will be one thing that WILL get you landed in a nice lawsuit. Got me?
or
> >do I need to make it clearer for you?
> 
> Kiss my ass, buttplug.  What sort of contact with reality do you have? 
> Lawsuit? Don't make me laugh.
> 
> >
> >-Al
> >
> >> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Al Smith wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Listen you neanderthal I do, do something constructive, I use the
> >damn
> >> > OS. I don't like it when I see and hear things get reported and
> >nothing
> >> > happens. This has been a gripe for months on this list. And for
you
> >even
> >> > thinking I work for MS is low, makes me think you use a Macintosh
> >> 
> >> Folks, haven't we learned not to bother with Mr. Smith yet?  As near
as
> >I
> >> can tell, he helps no one on the list, posts no comments worthy of
> >> discussion, and resorts to ad hominem attacks at the drop of a hat.
> >> Ignore him; my guess is that his "bug reports" have been similiar in
> >> flavor, which might explain why he seems to get little response.
> >> 
> >> Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/
> >> 
> >> "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage."
> >> --The Bard
> >> 
> >
> 
> 
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> 
> --
> Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/
> 
> "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage."
> --The Bard

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Bob Jackson]

Arandir wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Al Smith wrote:
> > >%_I have done my share of assisting people on this list. So don't talk
> > about helping people. Second of all I was insulted, I am returning the
> > insult. And I am doing my part for the mandrake team. As I said I don't
> > report bugs to the bug list because they don't get answered, I go to the
> > creator's and get their assistance. With that being said if you chose to
> > ignore me go ahead but I do not go away silently.
> >
> >And for those that did assist me in any problems that I may of have, I
> > have thanked and helped them in return. So unless you know me or how I
> > respond or act on things, don't comment on me or make accusations. That
> > will be one thing that WILL get you landed in a nice lawsuit. Got me? or
> > do I need to make it clearer for you?
> 
> This has gone on long enough.
> 
> Does this list have a moderator? Can this moderator please remove Mr. Smith
> from this list? I use this list to get information and help others get theirs.
> These types of accusatory posts are neither, and the list is beginning to
> degenerate.


May I suggest a killfile? I plonked Al this afternoon, shortly after
his 'neanderthal' post.

Bob Jackson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Arandir]

On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Al Smith wrote:
> >%_I have done my share of assisting people on this list. So don't talk
> about helping people. Second of all I was insulted, I am returning the
> insult. And I am doing my part for the mandrake team. As I said I don't
> report bugs to the bug list because they don't get answered, I go to the
> creator's and get their assistance. With that being said if you chose to
> ignore me go ahead but I do not go away silently.
> 
>And for those that did assist me in any problems that I may of have, I
> have thanked and helped them in return. So unless you know me or how I
> respond or act on things, don't comment on me or make accusations. That
> will be one thing that WILL get you landed in a nice lawsuit. Got me? or
> do I need to make it clearer for you?

This has gone on long enough.

Does this list have a moderator? Can this moderator please remove Mr. Smith
from this list? I use this list to get information and help others get theirs.
These types of accusatory posts are neither, and the list is beginning to
degenerate.

--
Arandir...
___

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Vincent Danen]

On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, David Comeau wrote:

> In that case, YOU fix the bugs and stop bringing them down. You sound like one
> of those guys that loves to stir up shit just for the love of it. I don't hear
> of "you" doing anything constructive. If you were to do something to help,
> rather than complain (and by the way, pointing out a bug is not complaining.
> what you are doing is complaining), you might become a little happier in your
> life. What you are doing is very negative, and and destructive (I wonder if
> you're working for MS?). BE CONSTRUCTIVE.

Not MS more likely another distro... perhaps RedHat?  I wouldn't be
surprised...

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RE: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Ken Wilson]

But he's giving free 'edu' accounts a bad name.  People are going to be
thinking they are handing them out to primary schools now.  :-)

Ken Wilson
First Law of Optimization: The speed of a nonworking program is
irrelevant
(Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming')

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lee Burnside
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 11:31 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?
>
>
> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Al Smith wrote:
>
> > Listen you neanderthal I do, do something constructive, I
> use the damn
> > OS. I don't like it when I see and hear things get reported
> and nothing
> > happens. This has been a gripe for months on this list. And
> for you even
> > thinking I work for MS is low, makes me think you use a Macintosh
>
> Folks, haven't we learned not to bother with Mr. Smith yet?
> As near as I
> can tell, he helps no one on the list, posts no comments worthy of
> discussion, and resorts to ad hominem attacks at the drop of a hat.
> Ignore him; my guess is that his "bug reports" have been similiar in
> flavor, which might explain why he seems to get little response.
>
> Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/
>
> "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage."
> --The Bard
>

RE: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Ken Wilson]

While you're whining, all I ever get in your postings is a blank screen
and some attachments.  I have to see if you're a nice guy and fix your
postings so they come in the body of the letter or if it's easier just
to hit the delete key when I see your name in the from column.

And this 'Why are bugs not fixed?' thread is getting a little old folks.
Suffice it to say any human being, or group of human beings, has only so
much time in a day/lifetime.  You set priorities, which may not agree
with other peoples priorities, but after all they are your priorities
not theirs.  After the priorities are set it kind of works this way,
what gets done this day/life gets done, what doesn't gets done gets done
the next day/life.  The world is not about to end tomorrow because of
this.

Ken Wilson
First Law of Optimization: The speed of a nonworking program is
irrelevant
(Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming')

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Al Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 11:03 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?
>
>
>

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Lee Burnside]

On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, your Nibs wrote:
>   And for those that did assist me in any problems that I may of have, I
>have thanked and helped them in return. So unless you know me or how I
>respond or act on things, don't comment on me or make accusations. That
>will be one thing that WILL get you landed in a nice lawsuit. Got me? or
>do I need to make it clearer for you?

Kiss my ass, buttplug.  What sort of contact with reality do you have? 
Lawsuit? Don't make me laugh.

>
>-Al
>
>> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Al Smith wrote:
>> 
>> > Listen you neanderthal I do, do something constructive, I use the
>damn
>> > OS. I don't like it when I see and hear things get reported and
>nothing
>> > happens. This has been a gripe for months on this list. And for you
>even
>> > thinking I work for MS is low, makes me think you use a Macintosh
>> 
>> Folks, haven't we learned not to bother with Mr. Smith yet?  As near as
>I
>> can tell, he helps no one on the list, posts no comments worthy of
>> discussion, and resorts to ad hominem attacks at the drop of a hat.
>> Ignore him; my guess is that his "bug reports" have been similiar in
>> flavor, which might explain why he seems to get little response.
>> 
>> Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/
>> 
>> "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage."
>> --The Bard
>> 
>


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Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/

"Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage."
--The Bard

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Bernhard Rosenkraenzer]

On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Al Smith wrote:

> Prove it.
> 
> > Did you know that most of the bugs in the Red 
> > Hat release are fixed in Mandrake?

Maybe "most" is exaggerated, but Mandrake 6.0 fixed a number of RH 6.0
bugs. Consult the RPM changelogs for details.
Yes, I know, it also introduced a couple of new bugs - that can't be
avoided completely...

> > Did you know that the guys at Mandrake 
> > Linux included more updated packages?

Self-evident - compare the RPM directories on ftp.

> > Did you also care to know that every 
> > single one of them runs like 10% to 15% faster on a pentium just
> > because they REBUILT the packages for an i586 architecture?

Run benchmarks and you'll see. Preferrably run them on Cooker because gcc
2.95.1 optimizes even better than pgcc 1.1.3.

LLaP
bero

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Rudd-O]

I definitely agree with David.  Did you know that most of the bugs in the Red 
Hat release are fixed in Mandrake?>  Did you know that the guys at Mandrake 
Linux included more updated packages?  Did you also care to know that every 
single one of them runs like 10% to 15% faster on a pentium just because they 
REBUILT the packages for an i586 architecture?


David Comeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: 

> In that case, YOU fix the bugs and stop bringing them down. You sound like 
one
> of those guys that loves to stir up shit just for the love of it. I don't 
hear
> of "you" doing anything constructive. If you were to do something to help,
> rather than complain (and by the way, pointing out a bug is not complaining.
> what you are doing is complaining), you might become a little happier in 
your
> life. What you are doing is very negative, and and destructive (I wonder if
> you're working for MS?). BE CONSTRUCTIVE.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > >%_See I object to this statement. All they did was re-package the RPM's
> > with the name mandrake. They really didn't do anything except maybe
> > re-write the install, that's it. I don't know why people are praising
> > them. They can't even fix the bugs.
> > 
> > -Al
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > David Comeau wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Very true. I, for one, believe that patience will be rewarded. In
> > this case, I
> > > 
> > > > will be rewarded with Helios.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > > > > And I can only add:
> > > > >
> > > > > Congrats to Gael, Chmoel, and all the others of the Mandrake
> > team... Those
> > > > > we hear and those who remain silent...
> > > > >
> > > > > Great job guys ;o)))
> > > > >
> > > 
> > > To all of them my respect, they all work very hard trying Mandrake
> > > to be the best linux distribution..
> > > Chmouel, Gael, Bero axalon, pixel, etc...and all the rest at
> > Mandrake
> > > Many of the troubles are not even Mandrake's.. just inherited from RH
> > ;-)
> > > 
> > > SK
> > > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Al Smith]

Prove it.

-Al


> 
> I definitely agree with David.  Did you know that most of the bugs in
the Red 
> Hat release are fixed in Mandrake?>  Did you know that the guys at
Mandrake 
> Linux included more updated packages?  Did you also care to know that
every 
> single one of them runs like 10% to 15% faster on a pentium just
because they 
> REBUILT the packages for an i586 architecture?
> 
> 
> David Comeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: 
> 
> > In that case, YOU fix the bugs and stop bringing them down. You sound
like 
> one
> > of those guys that loves to stir up shit just for the love of it. I
don't 
> hear
> > of "you" doing anything constructive. If you were to do something to
help,
> > rather than complain (and by the way, pointing out a bug is not
complaining.
> > what you are doing is complaining), you might become a little happier
in 
> your
> > life. What you are doing is very negative, and and destructive (I
wonder if
> > you're working for MS?). BE CONSTRUCTIVE.
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > > >%_See I object to this statement. All they did was re-package the
RPM's
> > > with the name mandrake. They really didn't do anything except maybe
> > > re-write the install, that's it. I don't know why people are
praising
> > > them. They can't even fix the bugs.
> > > 
> > > -Al
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > David Comeau wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Very true. I, for one, believe that patience will be rewarded.
In
> > > this case, I
> > > > 
> > > > > will be rewarded with Helios.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > > > > > And I can only add:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Congrats to Gael, Chmoel, and all the others of the Mandrake
> > > team... Those
> > > > > > we hear and those who remain silent...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Great job guys ;o)))
> > > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > To all of them my respect, they all work very hard trying
Mandrake
> > > > to be the best linux distribution..
> > > > Chmouel, Gael, Bero axalon, pixel, etc...and all the rest at
> > > Mandrake
> > > > Many of the troubles are not even Mandrake's.. just inherited
from RH
> > > ;-)
> > > > 
> > > > SK
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
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> 
> --
>Rudd-O
>Jefe de operaciones
>Alpha Omega Creative Solutions
> 
> 



I definitely agree with David.  Did you know that most of the bugs in the Red 
Hat release are fixed in Mandrake?>  Did you know that the guys at Mandrake 
Linux included more updated packages?  Did you also care to know that every 
single one of them runs like 10% to 15% faster on a pentium just because they 
REBUILT the packages for an i586 architecture?


David Comeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: 

> In that case, YOU fix the bugs and stop bringing them down. You sound like 
one
> of those guys that loves to stir up shit just for the love of it. I don't 
hear
> of "you" doing anything constructive. If you were to do something to help,
> rather than complain (and by the way, pointing out a bug is not complaining.
> what you are doing is complaining), you might become a little happier in 
your
> life. What you are doing is very negative, and and destructive (I wonder if
> you're working for MS?). BE CONSTRUCTIVE.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > >%_See I object to this statement. All they did was re-package the RPM's
> > with the name mandrake. They really didn't do anything except maybe
> > re-write the install, that's it. I don't know why people are praising
> > them. They can't even fix the bugs.
> > 
> > -Al
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > David Comeau wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Very true. I, for one, believe that patience will be rewarded. In
> > this case, I
> > > 
> > > > will be rewarded with Helios.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > > > > And I can only add:
> > > > >
> > > > > Congrats to Gael, Chmoel, and all the others of the Mandrake
> > team... Those
> > > > > we hear and those who remain silent...
> > > > >
> > > > > Great job guys ;o)))
> > > > >
> > > 
> > > To all of them my respect, they all work very hard trying Mandrake
> > > to be the best linux distribution..
> > > Chmouel, Gael, Bero axalon, pixel, etc...and all the rest at
> > Mandrake
> > > Many of the troubles are not even Mandrake's.. just inherited from RH
> > ;-)
> > > 
> > > SK
> > > 
> > 
> 
> 
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--
   Rudd-O
   Jefe de operaciones
   Alpha Omega Creative Solutions

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Al Smith]

I have done my share of assisting people on this list. So don't talk
about helping people. Second of all I was insulted, I am returning the
insult. And I am doing my part for the mandrake team. As I said I don't
report bugs to the bug list because they don't get answered, I go to the
creator's and get their assistance. With that being said if you chose to
ignore me go ahead but I do not go away silently.

   And for those that did assist me in any problems that I may of have, I
have thanked and helped them in return. So unless you know me or how I
respond or act on things, don't comment on me or make accusations. That
will be one thing that WILL get you landed in a nice lawsuit. Got me? or
do I need to make it clearer for you?

-Al

> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Al Smith wrote:
> 
> > Listen you neanderthal I do, do something constructive, I use the
damn
> > OS. I don't like it when I see and hear things get reported and
nothing
> > happens. This has been a gripe for months on this list. And for you
even
> > thinking I work for MS is low, makes me think you use a Macintosh
> 
> Folks, haven't we learned not to bother with Mr. Smith yet?  As near as
I
> can tell, he helps no one on the list, posts no comments worthy of
> discussion, and resorts to ad hominem attacks at the drop of a hat.
> Ignore him; my guess is that his "bug reports" have been similiar in
> flavor, which might explain why he seems to get little response.
> 
> Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/
> 
> "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage."
> --The Bard
> 


On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Al Smith wrote:

> Listen you neanderthal I do, do something constructive, I use the damn
> OS. I don't like it when I see and hear things get reported and nothing
> happens. This has been a gripe for months on this list. And for you even
> thinking I work for MS is low, makes me think you use a Macintosh

Folks, haven't we learned not to bother with Mr. Smith yet?  As near as I
can tell, he helps no one on the list, posts no comments worthy of
discussion, and resorts to ad hominem attacks at the drop of a hat.
Ignore him; my guess is that his "bug reports" have been similiar in
flavor, which might explain why he seems to get little response.

Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/

"Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage."
--The Bard

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Lee Burnside]

On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Al Smith wrote:

> Listen you neanderthal I do, do something constructive, I use the damn
> OS. I don't like it when I see and hear things get reported and nothing
> happens. This has been a gripe for months on this list. And for you even
> thinking I work for MS is low, makes me think you use a Macintosh

Folks, haven't we learned not to bother with Mr. Smith yet?  As near as I
can tell, he helps no one on the list, posts no comments worthy of
discussion, and resorts to ad hominem attacks at the drop of a hat.
Ignore him; my guess is that his "bug reports" have been similiar in
flavor, which might explain why he seems to get little response.

Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/

"Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage."
--The Bard

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Al Smith]

Listen you neanderthal I do, do something constructive, I use the damn
OS. I don't like it when I see and hear things get reported and nothing
happens. This has been a gripe for months on this list. And for you even
thinking I work for MS is low, makes me think you use a Macintosh

-Al


> In that case, YOU fix the bugs and stop bringing them down. You sound
like one
> of those guys that loves to stir up shit just for the love of it. I
don't hear
> of "you" doing anything constructive. If you were to do something to
help,
> rather than complain (and by the way, pointing out a bug is not
complaining.
> what you are doing is complaining), you might become a little happier
in your
> life. What you are doing is very negative, and and destructive (I
wonder if
> you're working for MS?). BE CONSTRUCTIVE.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > >%_See I object to this statement. All they did was re-package the
RPM's
> > with the name mandrake. They really didn't do anything except maybe
> > re-write the install, that's it. I don't know why people are praising
> > them. They can't even fix the bugs.
> > 
> > -Al
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > David Comeau wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Very true. I, for one, believe that patience will be rewarded. In
> > this case, I
> > > 
> > > > will be rewarded with Helios.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > > > > And I can only add:
> > > > >
> > > > > Congrats to Gael, Chmoel, and all the others of the Mandrake
> > team... Those
> > > > > we hear and those who remain silent...
> > > > >
> > > > > Great job guys ;o)))
> > > > >
> > > 
> > > To all of them my respect, they all work very hard trying Mandrake
> > > to be the best linux distribution..
> > > Chmouel, Gael, Bero axalon, pixel, etc...and all the rest at
> > Mandrake
> > > Many of the troubles are not even Mandrake's.. just inherited from
RH
> > ;-)
> > > 
> > > SK
> > > 
> > 
> 
> 
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In that case, YOU fix the bugs and stop bringing them down. You sound like one
of those guys that loves to stir up shit just for the love of it. I don't hear
of "you" doing anything constructive. If you were to do something to help,
rather than complain (and by the way, pointing out a bug is not complaining.
what you are doing is complaining), you might become a little happier in your
life. What you are doing is very negative, and and destructive (I wonder if
you're working for MS?). BE CONSTRUCTIVE.


On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> >%_See I object to this statement. All they did was re-package the RPM's
> with the name mandrake. They really didn't do anything except maybe
> re-write the install, that's it. I don't know why people are praising
> them. They can't even fix the bugs.
> 
> -Al
> 
> 
> 
> > David Comeau wrote:
> > 
> > > Very true. I, for one, believe that patience will be rewarded. In
> this case, I
> > 
> > > will be rewarded with Helios.
> > >
> > > On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > > > And I can only add:
> > > >
> > > > Congrats to Gael, Chmoel, and all the others of the Mandrake
> team... Those
> > > > we hear and those who remain silent...
> > > >
> > > > Great job guys ;o)))
> > > >
> > 
> > To all of them my respect, they all work very hard trying Mandrake
> > to be the best linux distribution..
> > Chmouel, Gael, Bero axalon, pixel, etc...and all the rest at
> Mandrake
> > Many of the troubles are not even Mandrake's.. just inherited from RH
> ;-)
> > 
> > SK
> > 
> 


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Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Rudd-O]

Good post.  I suffer from 15 minutes of delay every week.

Max Klohn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: 

> Hi all,
> 
> Congrats for the distro, guys. I fully adopted it. 
> 
> Speaking of bugs, I still see very noticeable clock derives in the different
> machines I have installed Mandrake 6.0. I am _not_ running timed.
> 
> That question was already raised but I haven't seen a definitive fix 
proposed
> 
> Anyone got a solution for that?
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Max
> 
> Le lun, 13 sep 1999, Patrick Putteman a écrit :
> >And I can only add:
> >
> >Congrats to Gael, Chmoel, and all the others of the Mandrake team... Those
> >we hear and those who remain silent...
> >
> >Great job guys ;o)))
> >
> >Patrick Putteman
> >Internet Support Manager
> >Net 7 (Member of the Advalvas Group)
> >www.net7.be
> >- Original Message -----
> >From: Gael Duval <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 5:56 PM
> >Subject: Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?
> >
> >
> >> Harald Schreiber wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Axalon Bloodstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> > Have a look at
> >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/msg02325.html
> >> >
> >> > There you can see that I have sent a bug report to this mailing list
> >> > regarding missing header files in package inn-devel. The bug
> >> > report is dated July, 28th, 1999, nearly six weeks ago.
> >> > All I got was a silly answer by Chmouel Boudnah from which I learned
> >> > that he is too stupid to read my bug report. By the way,
> >> > Red Hat has fixed this problem in RedHat 6.1 Beta (Lorax).
> >> >
> >> > And have a look at
> >> > http://www.linux-mandrake.com/bugs/db/ix/full.html
> >> >
> >> > As you can see not a single bug report has been resolved in the
> >> > last two weeks. I think it is ridiculous to release a new
> >> > Distribution within the near future without processing the
> >> > bug reports of the users. This is the release policy of
> >> > playing kiddies, but not of a serious Linux distributor.
> >>
> >> Please stop bashing us like that, it's useless - we are currently
> >> building all the distribution ("Mandrake based on Red Hat" is totally
> >> outdated) and have many projects for the future release. Chmouel and
> >> the other programmers here do a great job for the distribution, work
> >> 80 hours a week and many packages are better than in other Linux
> >> distributions. Making a Linux distribution is a really hard work but
> >> we improve everyday, and nevertheless, most bugs are fixed. I believe
> >> the 6.1 release will know a great success.
> >>
> >> Thanx.
> >>
> >> Gael.
> >> --
> >> < Gael DUVAL - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> >> < Mandrake 6.1beta on http://www.linux-mandrake.com/cassini>
> >>
> 



--
   Rudd-O
   Jefe de operaciones
   Alpha Omega Creative Solutions

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[David Comeau]

In that case, YOU fix the bugs and stop bringing them down. You sound like one
of those guys that loves to stir up shit just for the love of it. I don't hear
of "you" doing anything constructive. If you were to do something to help,
rather than complain (and by the way, pointing out a bug is not complaining.
what you are doing is complaining), you might become a little happier in your
life. What you are doing is very negative, and and destructive (I wonder if
you're working for MS?). BE CONSTRUCTIVE.


On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> >%_See I object to this statement. All they did was re-package the RPM's
> with the name mandrake. They really didn't do anything except maybe
> re-write the install, that's it. I don't know why people are praising
> them. They can't even fix the bugs.
> 
> -Al
> 
> 
> 
> > David Comeau wrote:
> > 
> > > Very true. I, for one, believe that patience will be rewarded. In
> this case, I
> > 
> > > will be rewarded with Helios.
> > >
> > > On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > > > And I can only add:
> > > >
> > > > Congrats to Gael, Chmoel, and all the others of the Mandrake
> team... Those
> > > > we hear and those who remain silent...
> > > >
> > > > Great job guys ;o)))
> > > >
> > 
> > To all of them my respect, they all work very hard trying Mandrake
> > to be the best linux distribution..
> > Chmouel, Gael, Bero axalon, pixel, etc...and all the rest at
> Mandrake
> > Many of the troubles are not even Mandrake's.. just inherited from RH
> ;-)
> > 
> > SK
> > 
> 


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Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[John Aldrich]

On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> >%_See I object to this statement. All they did was re-package the RPM's
> with the name mandrake. They really didn't do anything except maybe
> re-write the install, that's it. I don't know why people are praising
> them. They can't even fix the bugs.
> 
Perhaps when they STARTED, that's all they did. AFAIK, they
have now rewritten a large number of the packages or at
least recompiled the source for Pentium or better.

BTW, while we're having a mutual "bitch" session, would you
PLEASE remember to turn off your HTML posts? It's an
unnecessary waste of bandwidth!
John

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Al Smith]

On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Mohammad R. Salehpour, Ph.D. wrote:

> Harald;
> 
> I do undrestand your frustrations. When one likes something or loves 
> it (as we all do linux) one get frustrated to see little bugs are 
> lingring here and there. But we have to realize that most people who 
> work on linux distributions do not do it for financial rewards. It is 
> more a labor of love. So please be patient with these guys and do not 
> call them names.
i'm not going to say much about calling names, but i believe that mandrake
has a hired staff... its a buisness. if you dont respond to the people you
provide your service to, then they will quit using your service...

> How often do we get speedy bug fixes from Microsoft??
why do people keep comparing linux to microsoft. i think that is the wrong
attitude to take. the only thing linux and windows have in common is that
they are both /considered/ operating systems by the vast majority of
world. the entire idiology behind linux is different.

we shouldn't base the speed of linux fixes on the speed of ms fixes. if ms
got a faster would the linux community? i doubt it..  


i do however see al's point. they should fix what they currently have
befor building on it.

just some thoughts.

john

signature generated by a pack of raging chicken slayers.

Cat, The other white meat.



> 
> Happy linuxing.
> 
> Regards;
> 
> M.S.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >Harald Schreiber wrote:
> > >
> > > Axalon Bloodstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > Have a look at
> > > http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/msg02325.html
> > >
> > > There you can see that I have sent a bug report to this mailing list
> > > regarding missing header files in package inn-devel. The bug
> > > report is dated July, 28th, 1999, nearly six weeks ago.
> > > All I got was a silly answer by Chmouel Boudnah from which I learned
> > > that he is too stupid to read my bug report. By the way,
> > > Red Hat has fixed this problem in RedHat 6.1 Beta (Lorax).
> > >
> > > And have a look at
> > > http://www.linux-mandrake.com/bugs/db/ix/full.html
> > >
> > > As you can see not a single bug report has been resolved in the
> > > last two weeks. I think it is ridiculous to release a new
> > > Distribution within the near future without processing the
> > > bug reports of the users. This is the release policy of
> > > playing kiddies, but not of a serious Linux distributor.
> >
> >Please stop bashing us like that, it's useless - we are currently
> >building all the distribution ("Mandrake based on Red Hat" is totally
> >outdated) and have many projects for the future release. Chmouel and
> >the other programmers here do a great job for the distribution, work
> >80 hours a week and many packages are better than in other Linux
> >distributions. Making a Linux distribution is a really hard work but
> >we improve everyday, and nevertheless, most bugs are fixed. I believe
> >the 6.1 release will know a great success.
> >
> >Thanx.
> >
> > Gael.
> >--
> >< Gael DUVAL - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> >< Mandrake 6.1beta on http://www.linux-mandrake.com/cassini>
> 
> 

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Al Smith]

See I object to this statement. All they did was re-package the RPM's
with the name mandrake. They really didn't do anything except maybe
re-write the install, that's it. I don't know why people are praising
them. They can't even fix the bugs.

-Al



> David Comeau wrote:
> 
> > Very true. I, for one, believe that patience will be rewarded. In
this case, I
> 
> > will be rewarded with Helios.
> >
> > On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > > And I can only add:
> > >
> > > Congrats to Gael, Chmoel, and all the others of the Mandrake
team... Those
> > > we hear and those who remain silent...
> > >
> > > Great job guys ;o)))
> > >
> 
> To all of them my respect, they all work very hard trying Mandrake
> to be the best linux distribution..
> Chmouel, Gael, Bero axalon, pixel, etc...and all the rest at
Mandrake
> Many of the troubles are not even Mandrake's.. just inherited from RH
;-)
> 
> SK
> 


David Comeau wrote:

> Very true. I, for one, believe that patience will be rewarded. In this case, I
> will be rewarded with Helios.
>
> On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > And I can only add:
> >
> > Congrats to Gael, Chmoel, and all the others of the Mandrake team... Those
> > we hear and those who remain silent...
> >
> > Great job guys ;o)))
> >

To all of them my respect, they all work very hard trying Mandrake
to be the best linux distribution..
Chmouel, Gael, Bero axalon, pixel, etc...and all the rest at Mandrake
Many of the troubles are not even Mandrake's.. just inherited from RH ;-)

SK

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Max Klohn]

Hi all,

Congrats for the distro, guys. I fully adopted it. 

Speaking of bugs, I still see very noticeable clock derives in the different
machines I have installed Mandrake 6.0. I am _not_ running timed.

That question was already raised but I haven't seen a definitive fix proposed

Anyone got a solution for that?

Greetings,

Max

Le lun, 13 sep 1999, Patrick Putteman a écrit :
>And I can only add:
>
>Congrats to Gael, Chmoel, and all the others of the Mandrake team... Those
>we hear and those who remain silent...
>
>Great job guys ;o)))
>
>Patrick Putteman
>Internet Support Manager
>Net 7 (Member of the Advalvas Group)
>www.net7.be
>- Original Message -
>From: Gael Duval <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 5:56 PM
>Subject: Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?
>
>
>> Harald Schreiber wrote:
>> >
>> > Axalon Bloodstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > Have a look at
>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/msg02325.html
>> >
>> > There you can see that I have sent a bug report to this mailing list
>> > regarding missing header files in package inn-devel. The bug
>> > report is dated July, 28th, 1999, nearly six weeks ago.
>> > All I got was a silly answer by Chmouel Boudnah from which I learned
>> > that he is too stupid to read my bug report. By the way,
>> > Red Hat has fixed this problem in RedHat 6.1 Beta (Lorax).
>> >
>> > And have a look at
>> > http://www.linux-mandrake.com/bugs/db/ix/full.html
>> >
>> > As you can see not a single bug report has been resolved in the
>> > last two weeks. I think it is ridiculous to release a new
>> > Distribution within the near future without processing the
>> > bug reports of the users. This is the release policy of
>> > playing kiddies, but not of a serious Linux distributor.
>>
>> Please stop bashing us like that, it's useless - we are currently
>> building all the distribution ("Mandrake based on Red Hat" is totally
>> outdated) and have many projects for the future release. Chmouel and
>> the other programmers here do a great job for the distribution, work
>> 80 hours a week and many packages are better than in other Linux
>> distributions. Making a Linux distribution is a really hard work but
>> we improve everyday, and nevertheless, most bugs are fixed. I believe
>> the 6.1 release will know a great success.
>>
>> Thanx.
>>
>> Gael.
>> --
>> < Gael DUVAL - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
>> < Mandrake 6.1beta on http://www.linux-mandrake.com/cassini>
>>

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Al Smith]

MS,

  I think part of the problem here, is about something that I have voiced
a long time ago. If this is such a labor of love then the people who gave
birth to the product should make it strong, rather then going into
another direction in building another project that has the same bugs.

-Al

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Mohammad R. Salehpour, Ph.D.]

Harald;

I do undrestand your frustrations. When one likes something or loves 
it (as we all do linux) one get frustrated to see little bugs are 
lingring here and there. But we have to realize that most people who 
work on linux distributions do not do it for financial rewards. It is 
more a labor of love. So please be patient with these guys and do not 
call them names.

How often do we get speedy bug fixes from Microsoft??

Happy linuxing.

Regards;

M.S.




>Harald Schreiber wrote:
> >
> > Axalon Bloodstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Have a look at
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/msg02325.html
> >
> > There you can see that I have sent a bug report to this mailing list
> > regarding missing header files in package inn-devel. The bug
> > report is dated July, 28th, 1999, nearly six weeks ago.
> > All I got was a silly answer by Chmouel Boudnah from which I learned
> > that he is too stupid to read my bug report. By the way,
> > Red Hat has fixed this problem in RedHat 6.1 Beta (Lorax).
> >
> > And have a look at
> > http://www.linux-mandrake.com/bugs/db/ix/full.html
> >
> > As you can see not a single bug report has been resolved in the
> > last two weeks. I think it is ridiculous to release a new
> > Distribution within the near future without processing the
> > bug reports of the users. This is the release policy of
> > playing kiddies, but not of a serious Linux distributor.
>
>Please stop bashing us like that, it's useless - we are currently
>building all the distribution ("Mandrake based on Red Hat" is totally
>outdated) and have many projects for the future release. Chmouel and
>the other programmers here do a great job for the distribution, work
>80 hours a week and many packages are better than in other Linux
>distributions. Making a Linux distribution is a really hard work but
>we improve everyday, and nevertheless, most bugs are fixed. I believe
>the 6.1 release will know a great success.
>
>Thanx.
>
>   Gael.
>--
>< Gael DUVAL - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
>< Mandrake 6.1beta on http://www.linux-mandrake.com/cassini>

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Gael Duval]

Harald Schreiber wrote:
> 
> Axalon Bloodstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Have a look at
> http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/msg02325.html
> 
> There you can see that I have sent a bug report to this mailing list
> regarding missing header files in package inn-devel. The bug
> report is dated July, 28th, 1999, nearly six weeks ago.
> All I got was a silly answer by Chmouel Boudnah from which I learned
> that he is too stupid to read my bug report. By the way,
> Red Hat has fixed this problem in RedHat 6.1 Beta (Lorax).
> 
> And have a look at
> http://www.linux-mandrake.com/bugs/db/ix/full.html
> 
> As you can see not a single bug report has been resolved in the
> last two weeks. I think it is ridiculous to release a new
> Distribution within the near future without processing the
> bug reports of the users. This is the release policy of
> playing kiddies, but not of a serious Linux distributor.

Please stop bashing us like that, it's useless - we are currently
building all the distribution ("Mandrake based on Red Hat" is totally
outdated) and have many projects for the future release. Chmouel and
the other programmers here do a great job for the distribution, work
80 hours a week and many packages are better than in other Linux
distributions. Making a Linux distribution is a really hard work but
we improve everyday, and nevertheless, most bugs are fixed. I believe
the 6.1 release will know a great success.

Thanx.

Gael.
--
< Gael DUVAL - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
< Mandrake 6.1beta on http://www.linux-mandrake.com/cassini>

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Harald Schreiber]

Axalon Bloodstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Harald Schreiber wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I've sent several bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> > but all I get is an automatically generated confirmation and
> > nothing happens at all. All bugs are still present in Cooker
> > and Cassini (but one of them has been fixed in RedHat Lorax ;-)).
> > Why are the Mandrake people make beta tests if no one is 
> > interested in bug reports ?
> > I have submitted two of my bug reports before Cassini has been
> > released.
> > 
> > Regards
> > Harald
> > 
>  
> Because debbugs isn't fully in use yet, Chmouel recieves the vast majority
> of those bug reports. Try submiting them to the mailing lists that all our
> developers are subscribed to.  
> 
> --
> MandrakeSoft  http://www.mandrakesoft.com/
> --Axalon
> 

Eeh?

Have a look at 
http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/msg02325.html

There you can see that I have sent a bug report to this mailing list
regarding missing header files in package inn-devel. The bug
report is dated July, 28th, 1999, nearly six weeks ago.
All I got was a silly answer by Chmouel Boudnah from which I learned
that he is too stupid to read my bug report. By the way,
Red Hat has fixed this problem in RedHat 6.1 Beta (Lorax).

And have a look at
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/bugs/db/ix/full.html

As you can see not a single bug report has been resolved in the
last two weeks. I think it is ridiculous to release a new 
Distribution within the near future without processing the
bug reports of the users. This is the release policy of
playing kiddies, but not of a serious Linux distributor.

Regards
Harald

-- 
---
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Phone: +49-241-9108015, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Andrew Morton]

Axalon Bloodstone wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Harald Schreiber wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've sent several bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> > but all I get is an automatically generated confirmation and
> > nothing happens at all. All bugs are still present in Cooker
> > and Cassini (but one of them has been fixed in RedHat Lorax ;-)).
> > Why are the Mandrake people make beta tests if no one is
> > interested in bug reports ?
> > I have submitted two of my bug reports before Cassini has been
> > released.
> >
> > Regards
> > Harald
> >
> 
> Because debbugs isn't fully in use yet, Chmouel recieves the vast majority
> of those bug reports. Try submiting them to the mailing lists that all our
> developers are subscribed to.

Sorry, but this kinda made my chin hit the floor.  Is there a plan in
place to go through all these bug reports prior to the release of 6.1?

And to which mailing list should bug reports now be directed?  This one?


Thanks.

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Arandir]

On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Harald Schreiber wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've sent several bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> but all I get is an automatically generated confirmation and
> nothing happens at all. All bugs are still present in Cooker
> and Cassini (but one of them has been fixed in RedHat Lorax ;-)).
> Why are the Mandrake people make beta tests if no one is 
> interested in bug reports ?
> I have submitted two of my bug reports before Cassini has been
> released.

Not every bug can get fixed. It's impossible. Even if you know about them.
There's just too many. I don't know what kind of bugs these are, but it's often
the case that bugs are prioritized into must fix, should fix, would be nice to
fix, cosmetic/minor inconvenience. Since it takes just as much time on average
to fix a major bug as it does a minor bug, the biggies get fixed first.

--
Arandir...
___

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Axalon Bloodstone]

On Sat, 11 Sep 1999, Kit Ngan wrote:

> Axalon Bloodstone wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Harald Schreiber wrote:
> > Because debbugs isn't fully in use yet, Chmouel recieves the vast majority
> > of those bug reports. Try submiting them to the mailing lists that all our
> > developers are subscribed to.
> 
> What about the virtual ip aliases in linuxconf?  It seem that the
> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:x script problem
> 
> > --
> > MandrakeSoft  http://www.mandrakesoft.com/
> > --Axalon
> 
> --
> Rgds Kit
> K&B Computer Technology Co.
> ICQ: 28280598
> http://www.knb.com.hk
> 
 
We haven't done anything (major) to linuxconf, so if it's broke it was
broke before we got our hands on it. You don't say what your problem is
either, so i can't even guess. 

--
MandrakeSoft  http://www.mandrakesoft.com/
--Axalon

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Kit Ngan]

Axalon Bloodstone wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Harald Schreiber wrote:
> Because debbugs isn't fully in use yet, Chmouel recieves the vast majority
> of those bug reports. Try submiting them to the mailing lists that all our
> developers are subscribed to.

What about the virtual ip aliases in linuxconf?  It seem that the
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:x script problem

> --
> MandrakeSoft  http://www.mandrakesoft.com/
> --Axalon

--
Rgds Kit
K&B Computer Technology Co.
ICQ: 28280598
http://www.knb.com.hk

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Axalon Bloodstone]

On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Harald Schreiber wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've sent several bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> but all I get is an automatically generated confirmation and
> nothing happens at all. All bugs are still present in Cooker
> and Cassini (but one of them has been fixed in RedHat Lorax ;-)).
> Why are the Mandrake people make beta tests if no one is 
> interested in bug reports ?
> I have submitted two of my bug reports before Cassini has been
> released.
> 
> Regards
> Harald
> 
 
Because debbugs isn't fully in use yet, Chmouel recieves the vast majority
of those bug reports. Try submiting them to the mailing lists that all our
developers are subscribed to.  

--
MandrakeSoft  http://www.mandrakesoft.com/
--Axalon