Re: [expert] Why u guys are using mandrake rather than other linux flavours
On Sunday 10 March 2002 11:33, Hari Yellina wrote: Hi. I am just wondering , why u guys are using mandrake over other linux flavour . Can u guys tell me the advantages, Hardware detection, wich is the best you can find around there. I don't like other things, like some filesystem choices and some instability in the server-related packages. So for my servers I use debian. For a workstation, I think is the best choice. bye -- Errare e' umano. Vagabondare e' reato. -- gianpaolo racca [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.preciso.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why u guys are using mandrake rather than other linux flavours
Ashley Reynolds wrote: I couldn't agree more. Mandrake just feels good, after using it and then trying to use another distribution, for instance, Red Hat or Debian, I just don't feel as comfortable. Whilst Debian is what I run on most of my servers, it still takes far longer to configure than a Mandrake box, as everything just doesn't flow as well. Ashley, Thanks for your response! I'm not sure how well it flows for me yet, but I guess I'm getting there. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why u guys are using mandrake rather than other linux flavours
Hi, you mentioned something about hardware detection could you tell more about this. Actually, I can not use my sound card , and my vga is not functioning properly since I installed MDK ... I am a new bie and i guess it might be due to my lack of experience... do you have any tips :) Thanks gadir From: Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ExpertMandrake-List [EMAIL PROTECTED], NewbieMandrake-List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Why u guys are using mandrake rather than other linux flavours Date: 12 Mar 2002 11:20:03 -0500 On Sun, 2002-03-10 at 05:33, Hari Yellina wrote: Hi. I am just wondering , why u guys are using mandrake over other linux flavour . Can u guys tell me the advantages, Thank you, Hari Yellina Hari, Back in the old days, there was Slackware. I loved the Slack experience; but there were some problems. One main dig was that any tarball packages that I installed could not be uninstalled, except by manual deletion. There was no such thing as dependencies, or tracking of package pieces by database, or anything like that. As you can imagine, this got old fast; Slack distro installs could get foobarred in no time flat. Well, in the time it would take to install a crappy tarballed application, actually. Then you'd spend half a day tracking down uncensored library updates. I got involved with Red Hat in the corporate arena in my second unix sysadmin job. I had been prejudiced against Red Hat previous to this time, because for one thing just the name itself pissed me off. However my technical director had standardized our shop on the distro, so I made it my business to know the system inside and out. I really fell in love with the RPM package system, and although I heard many legends about apt and Debian, we never considered them a player; partly because there was no corporate infrastructure that supported either us as customers or others as employees in the linux world, and partly because we never could get a valid demonstration of why exactly apt was superior to the rpm package manager. The Red Hat package manager was a sysadmin's dream; it allowed for consideration of upgrades with regard to wether you were going to break something or not; in other words, if two packages used the same libraries, but different versions of those libraries, the rpm install routine informed you of that fact. This was a very fulfilling experience for a Slackware graduate. A year into the job, although I became a Red Hat lover, I began to see shortcomings of the distro. For one thing, all the damn packages were only optimized for an 80386 processor. That meant that all the microprocessor instructions that had been added since the advent of the 386 were missing from every Red Hat RPM package in existence, since all they had were 386 optimized packages. So supposing you invested in a Pentium 2 processor box, some of your money was thrown to the wind if you used Red Hat, since the next generation abilities of the processor were like tits on a boar hog. I then started looking around for something else; I knew about source rpm packages, did NOT want to lose the Red Hat package manager, and had seen SRPM's optimized for 586. I wondered by chance if it had occurred to anyone to produce a RPM based distro on 586 optimized RPM packages. That day, a shining light broke from the heavens, blasting through the ceiling of our shop, and the Mandrake distro dropped right into my lap; a gift from Heaven itself. (actually I found them with a web search; that just sounded better.) I laboriously ftp'd the distro in off the t1 line (had trouble getting bandwidth at the source sites)and proceeded to install Mandrake on one of the AMD boxes. After that it was like a nitrous oxide scene from The Fast and the Furious. That box was blazing fast. Since then, I've not looked back or to either side. The incredible install and hardware detection routines in Mandrake, for me, have been only a big extra bonus. Cheers, LX _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [expert] Why u guys are using mandrake rather than other linux flavours
I enjoy it because it's easy to install and configure =) From: Gary A. Garibaldi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2002/03/11 Mon PM 03:10:35 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Why u guys are using mandrake rather than other linux flavours On Sunday 10 March 2002 08:17 am, you wrote: Hari Yellina wrote: I am just wondering , why u guys are using mandrake over other linux flavour . Can u guys tell me the advantages, I started with RedHat 5.2 and then moved to Caldera and SuSE. Back in 99 I discovered Mandrake and have since used it as my main OS. It seems to provide everything I need. Gary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why u guys are using mandrake rather than other linux flavours
On Sunday 10 March 2002 05:33 am, Hari Yellina wrote: Hi. I am just wondering , why u guys are using mandrake over other linux flavour . Can u guys tell me the advantages, Thank you, Hari Yellina I saw a computer show last year (The ScreenSavers) where it was presented as a good Linux for newbies to try first. The did a live installation and it got me interested enough to try it on an old Pentium 166 I was no longer using. Mandrake had just released 8.0 and I started with that and later moved onto a better computer. I also want to try Red Hat and Suse for comparison, but I was very happy with how easily it installed and was up and running. I also like how easy it is to download and install security updates. I got the 8.1 gaming edition for Christmas and I've been very happy with that so far too. The Sims game that comes with it plays just like the one on the Windows version does. --Cheryl _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why u guys are using mandrake rather than other linux flavours
Thanks Hoyt, It was a good answer, As a beginerr I want to stick to this Mandrake as u guys are very well know with this product. Regards. Hari Yellina. - Original Message - From: Hoyt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [expert] Why u guys are using mandrake rather than other linux flavours On Sunday 10 March 2002 05:33 am, you wrote: Hi. I am just wondering , why u guys are using mandrake over other linux flavour . Can u guys tell me the advantages, I started by installing RedHat 5.1 and the concurrent versions of Debian, Slackware and SuSE. I was most successful with Red Hat, but as I gained experience with it, I wound up having a number of patches and fixes and tweaks that I applied to it. Mandrake 5.2 solved most of these problems for me, espcially since I like KDE and Red Hat selected GNOME for their default desktop. Since then, I have enjoyed the feature set of Mandrake, including its ability to autodetect my hardware and set a number of features up automagically. There are, of course, still tweaks and fixes to apply. Recently, while writing three chapters for the current Red Hat Linux 7.2 Unleashed, I had the opportunity to revisit Red Hat and frankly did not care for what I experienced. Mandrake offers a much more polished desktop user experience. I also gained a renewed appreciation for the Mandrake suite of configuration tools. For now, Mandrake continues to be a good choice because they continue to focus on the user interface and the automation of tasks with as much fervor as they focus on including the latest and greatest; the best of both worlds. If I had to give up Mandrake, though, it would probably be for SUSE. -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com There are no dumb questions; only dumb bosses. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why u guys are using mandrake rather than other linux flavours
On Sunday 10 March 2002 05:33 am, Hari Yellina wrote: Hi. I am just wondering , why u guys are using mandrake over other linux flavour . Can u guys tell me the advantages, Thank you, Hari Yellina Hari: I started with Mandrake (7.0) because of its easy and comprehensive installation. IIRC, it took about 45 minutes from popping the CDROM in the drive to being on-line. The main reason that I've stayed with it is the support resources -- between the expert and newbie maillists, Mandrake User and the Mandrake Forum, I can usually find the answer to my problems without a lot of hassle, and that's a good thing. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why u guys are using mandrake rather than other linux flavours
Hari Yellina wrote: I am just wondering , why u guys are using mandrake over other linux flavour . Can u guys tell me the advantages, I'm sure the answer varies. For me, I started Linux with a succesful install of Caldera 2.2, then collected 10 or so distributions from my local LUG, and tried to install them. Some installed fairly easily, some did not. IIRC, Caldera included kde and gnome (early versions), and kde just looked more crisp and readable. GNOME looked fuzzy and dark, so one criteria became something easy to install with an up-to=date kde. Mandrake 7.2 fit the bill for a while, then with the MandrakeFreq update to use kde 2.1. (I had tried to update kde using rpms, but it was just more than I could handle at that particular time.) Decided I'd try to update with Mandrake 8.0 and 8.1, had troubles with both -- finally got Mandrake 8.1 fairly well installed on a new computer (which helped because of more memory, but hurt because of the hardware I chose (I think) -- a Matsonic MS8308EP motherboard with built in sound, video, NIC. I think the video is the problem, but I've never even tried to make sound work. At this point, Mandrake is a habit. I did try RedHat 7.2 not too long ago, with lesser results than the Mandrake install. I'd be tempted to try SuSe next time I get a chance. People keep recommending Slackware to me, but I'm looking for more of the install and go type thing rather than play with the install. I think Debian's apt get feature sounds good, but in my brief tries, I did not get Debian installed. YMMV. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why u guys are using mandrake rather than other linux flavours
Hari Yellina wrote: I am just wondering , why u guys are using mandrake over other linux flavour . Can u guys tell me the advantages, Sorry if this is a duplicate -- my mail client died while sending and it suggested I try again -- I have made a few minor changes compared to the original if that does get through. I'm sure the answer varies. For me, I started Linux with a succesful install of Caldera 2.2, then collected 10 or so distributions from my local LUG, and tried to install them. Some installed fairly easily, some did not. IIRC, Caldera included kde and gnome (early versions), and kde just looked more crisp and readable. GNOME looked fuzzy and dark, so one criteria became something easy to install with an up-to=date kde. Mandrake 7.2 fit the bill for a while, then with the MandrakeFreq update to use kde 2.1. (I had tried to update kde using rpms, but it was just more than I could handle at that particular time.) Decided I'd try to update with Mandrake 8.0 and 8.1, had troubles with both -- finally got Mandrake 8.1 fairly well installed on a new computer. The new computer helped because of more memory, but hurt because of the hardware I chose (I think) -- a Matsonic MS8308EP motherboard with built in sound, video, NIC. I think the video is the problem, but I've never even tried to make sound work. At this point, Mandrake is a habit. I did try RedHat 7.2 not too long ago, with lesser results than the Mandrake install. I'd be tempted to try SuSe next time I get a chance. People keep recommending Slackware to me, but I'm looking for more of the install and go type thing rather than play with the install, and my impression is that Slackware takes more tweaking. I think Debian's apt get feature sounds good, but in my brief tries, I did not get Debian installed. I think Mandrake has been commonly recognized as an easy to install distro for newbies, but still very up-to-date. YMMV. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why u guys are using mandrake rather than other linux flavours
On Sunday 10 March 2002 05:33 am, you wrote: Hi. I am just wondering , why u guys are using mandrake over other linux flavour . Can u guys tell me the advantages, I started by installing RedHat 5.1 and the concurrent versions of Debian, Slackware and SuSE. I was most successful with Red Hat, but as I gained experience with it, I wound up having a number of patches and fixes and tweaks that I applied to it. Mandrake 5.2 solved most of these problems for me, espcially since I like KDE and Red Hat selected GNOME for their default desktop. Since then, I have enjoyed the feature set of Mandrake, including its ability to autodetect my hardware and set a number of features up automagically. There are, of course, still tweaks and fixes to apply. Recently, while writing three chapters for the current Red Hat Linux 7.2 Unleashed, I had the opportunity to revisit Red Hat and frankly did not care for what I experienced. Mandrake offers a much more polished desktop user experience. I also gained a renewed appreciation for the Mandrake suite of configuration tools. For now, Mandrake continues to be a good choice because they continue to focus on the user interface and the automation of tasks with as much fervor as they focus on including the latest and greatest; the best of both worlds. If I had to give up Mandrake, though, it would probably be for SUSE. -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com There are no dumb questions; only dumb bosses. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why u guys are using mandrake rather than other linux flavours
I am not. I am ALSO using Mandrake (8.0). All of my production stuff is there and I haven't bothered to move it. I loaded SuSE 7.3 and found it to have many fewer rough edges. This was not always so. I have used Mandrake since 6.5 (at least) and 7.2 was da bomb. 8.0 seemed to be a step backwards in a lot of areas, and 8.1 doesn't sound much better. I hope they get back on track. mg On Sunday 10 March 2002 05:33, Hari Yellina wrote: Hi. I am just wondering , why u guys are using mandrake over other linux flavour . Can u guys tell me the advantages, Thank you, Hari Yellina Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why u guys are using mandrake rather than other linux flavours
You may get as many answers as OS's out there, but for me the focus is more usability for the desktop. It also makes a hell of a server OS also. Easier to install... easier to administer. I started out with Red hat and started watching Mandrake about 3 years ago. They would take the Red Hat release fix all the things that Red Hat SHOULD have done before it was released, made a few more enhancements and then re-released it as Mandrake. So since it was fixing things that needed fixing that RedHat didn't think was important it was a natural for me. Hari Yellina wrote: Hi. I am just wondering , why u guys are using mandrake over other linux flavour . Can u guys tell me the advantages, Thank you, Hari Yellina Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Lorne Shantz Note: Unfortunately if you send a message to me without it having my email address specifically in a to or CC: field, I will not see it. This is because of all the junk mail sent in this manner, so I've had to filter it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why u guys are using mandrake rather than other linux flavours
On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:16:20 -0500 mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder: I am not. I am ALSO using Mandrake (8.0). All of my production stuff is there and I haven't bothered to move it. I loaded SuSE 7.3 and found it to have many fewer rough edges. This was not always so. I have used Mandrake since 6.5 (at least) and 7.2 was da bomb. 8.0 seemed to be a step backwards in a lot of areas, and 8.1 doesn't sound much better. I hope they get back on track. mg O...I don't know Mike...I think 8.1 is wonderful, and a fitting compliment to Mandrake 7.2. -- daRcmaTTeR - If at first you don't succeed do what your wife told you to do the first time! Registered Linux User 182496 - 7:05pm up 1 day, 13:28, 2 users, load average: 0.28, 1.14, 0.78 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why u guys are using mandrake rather than other linux flavours
On Sunday 10 March 2002 06:14 pm, you wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:16:20 -0500 mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] studiouisly spake these words to ponder: I am not. I am ALSO using Mandrake (8.0). All of my production stuff is there and I haven't bothered to move it. I loaded SuSE 7.3 and found it to have many fewer rough edges. This was not always so. I have used Mandrake since 6.5 (at least) and 7.2 was da bomb. 8.0 seemed to be a step backwards in a lot of areas, and 8.1 doesn't sound much better. I hope they get back on track. mg O...I don't know Mike...I think 8.1 is wonderful, and a fitting compliment to Mandrake 7.2. Eggzacktly ! ! ! ! -- Ken Thompson, North West Antique Autos Payette, Idaho Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nwaa.com Sales and brokering of antique autos and parts. Linux- Coming Soon To A Desktop Near You Registered Linux User #183936 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
