Re: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1
I agree 100%. The other thing that MUST work well is USB and hotplugging. I will not go into my trials and experiences here but suffice it to say that as of 9.0 USB detection needed some help. I KNOW this is partially due to hardware vendors not always following standard USB protocols (eg USB Mass Storage Protocol) but if we can anticipate and compensate for this then Mandrake WILL become the distro of choice for desktop users. USB is becoming much more common, especially on laptops and this is one area where Linux can/must do better. I have gotten a USB external sony memory stick reader/writer to work great on mdk 9.0 but NOTHING else. (ok, a USB mouse but that doesn't count ;) The reader workd out of the box just by plugging it in and I was totally overjoyed but then was dismayed when NONE of my other USB peripherals worked the same way. My .0002c worth. Cheers Jason Greenwood James Sparenberg wrote: All, Laptops are the fastest selling sector of the hardware world. More and more people are replacing there older desktop with a laptop. MDK is far and away the most user friendly of the Linux distro's, with unified menu's and no removal of user choice ala RH and blew. (One exception noted here http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Splatt_Forum&file=viewtopic&topic=3873&forum=2 ) The one point that is an extreme weakness for all the distro's and should be a natural for MDK is with laptops. I for one have been struggling mightily with wirelss for 2 weeks. Still haven't gottne it to work right been through 4 cards ... have given up on cardbus ... down graded to 8.0 and now have a 16 bit pcmcia netgear MA401RA working... for up to 20 seconds before a hard lockup. I've googled till I'm blue in the face and I keep coming up with people talking about not being able to get wireless working in MDK and switching to SuSe or RH. OK I'm a stubborn cuss. If it will work in SuSe or RH it's got to be able to work in MDK. To the men and women of MDK. If you want to stand head ans shoulders above the crowd this is a place where you are uniquely enabled to do just this. It shouldn't be this hard. If I can click on an Icon and create a self mounting samba share (and I can!) this should be doable. Maybe in in the connection Wizard some recognition of wireless? How about keeping a database of info to insert in /etc/pcmcia/config for cards you don't have (I've got some already to include here.) A place where one of the more knowledgeable members can create a HowTo for wireless. ( the current howto in the ldp is limited to RH 6.2) Not everyone is running a PIV 4ghz with 1 gig of ram and dual NVidia cards on a desktp system. Fall flat on face getting off soapbox. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1
On Sunday 02 February 2003 05:03 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: [...] > The one point that is an extreme weakness for all the distro's and > should be a natural for MDK is with laptops. I for one have been > struggling mightily with wirelss for 2 weeks. Still haven't gottne it > to work right been through 4 cards ... have given up on cardbus ... down > graded to 8.0 and now have a 16 bit pcmcia netgear MA401RA working... > for up to 20 seconds before a hard lockup. I've googled till I'm blue I have wireless working OK with 8.2 and 9.0 (though 9.0 was a struggle). I use, on my IBM Thinkpad 1412 (old celeron 366 system), currently MDK 8.2 with a Zoomair wireless card (prism2) that has worked perfectly with both the linux-wlan-ng driver and my personal preference, the hostap driver which lets it also act as an access point (works well). On my desktop, I currently have 9.0 running with kernel 2.4.18 from 8.2 (I rebuilt it from source) and have a WUSB11 v2.6 usb device using the Atmel driver. It is working fine right now and has for days. I AM afraid to shutdown the system because I am not certain that when it comes back up that the USB wireless will still be working (what an ordeal). Neither system locks up nor loses connectivity. praedor -- Conservatives of all times are adventitious liars. - Friedrich Nietzsche. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1
110% of the WiFi drivers/updates have been put into the 2.5.x kernel, you can patch the 2.4.x kernel and still work finei have. But WiFi is a new technology that is not even finalized yet. The companies through the HW out to users without ANY of the standards to be completedeven for Winblows. BUT you can still patch the 2.4 and still work fine, it just takes for effort. I personally havent done the 2.5 yet. Rob >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Praedor Tempus >> Atrebates >> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 7:25 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1 >> >> >> On Sunday 02 February 2003 05:03 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: >> [...] >> > The one point that is an extreme weakness for all the distro's and >> > should be a natural for MDK is with laptops. I for one have been >> > struggling mightily with wirelss for 2 weeks. Still haven't gottne it >> > to work right been through 4 cards ... have given up on >> cardbus ... down >> > graded to 8.0 and now have a 16 bit pcmcia netgear MA401RA working... >> > for up to 20 seconds before a hard lockup. I've googled till I'm blue >> >> I have wireless working OK with 8.2 and 9.0 (though 9.0 was a >> struggle). I >> use, on my IBM Thinkpad 1412 (old celeron 366 system), currently >> MDK 8.2 with >> a Zoomair wireless card (prism2) that has worked perfectly with both the >> linux-wlan-ng driver and my personal preference, the hostap >> driver which lets >> it also act as an access point (works well). >> >> On my desktop, I currently have 9.0 running with kernel 2.4.18 >> from 8.2 (I >> rebuilt it from source) and have a WUSB11 v2.6 usb device using >> the Atmel >> driver. It is working fine right now and has for days. I AM afraid to >> shutdown the system because I am not certain that when it comes >> back up that >> the USB wireless will still be working (what an ordeal). >> >> Neither system locks up nor loses connectivity. >> >> praedor >> >> -- >> Conservatives of all times are adventitious liars. >> - Friedrich Nietzsche. >> >> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1
Another thing that has been done/updated to the 2.5 kernel. You guys do NOT know how to do your research and are requiring things NOW that is almost impossible to do overnight. Most companies have not given their HW specs to open source programmers and therefore have to reverse engineer and take apart windows items in order to get it to even be possible on Linux. Unfortunately I understand where you guys are coming from. Especially on WiFi...which i have been learning for the last 6+ months and up until about 2 months it changed almost weekly. Havent dealt with USB yet since i have been semi unemployed for a while to buy new equipment but most of this has been completed in 2.5 and semi backported to 2.4. Rob -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jason GreenwoodSent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 4:34 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1I agree 100%. The other thing that MUST work well is USB and hotplugging. I will not go into my trials and experiences here but suffice it to say that as of 9.0 USB detection needed some help. I KNOW this is partially due to hardware vendors not always following standard USB protocols (eg USB Mass Storage Protocol) but if we can anticipate and compensate for this then Mandrake WILL become the distro of choice for desktop users. USB is becoming much more common, especially on laptops and this is one area where Linux can/must do better.I have gotten a USB external sony memory stick reader/writer to work great on mdk 9.0 but NOTHING else. (ok, a USB mouse but that doesn't count ;) The reader workd out of the box just by plugging it in and I was totally overjoyed but then was dismayed when NONE of my other USB peripherals worked the same way.My .0002c worth.CheersJason GreenwoodJames Sparenberg wrote: All, Laptops are the fastest selling sector of the hardware world. More and more people are replacing there older desktop with a laptop. MDK is far and away the most user friendly of the Linux distro's, with unified menu's and no removal of user choice ala RH and blew. (One exception noted here http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Splatt_Forum&file=viewtopic&topic=3873&forum=2 ) The one point that is an extreme weakness for all the distro's and should be a natural for MDK is with laptops. I for one have been struggling mightily with wirelss for 2 weeks. Still haven't gottne it to work right been through 4 cards ... have given up on cardbus ... down graded to 8.0 and now have a 16 bit pcmcia netgear MA401RA working... for up to 20 seconds before a hard lockup. I've googled till I'm blue in the face and I keep coming up with people talking about not being able to get wireless working in MDK and switching to SuSe or RH. OK I'm a stubborn cuss. If it will work in SuSe or RH it's got to be able to work in MDK. To the men and women of MDK. If you want to stand head ans shoulders above the crowd this is a place where you are uniquely enabled to do just this. It shouldn't be this hard. If I can click on an Icon and create a self mounting samba share (and I can!) this should be doable. Maybe in in the connection Wizard some recognition of wireless? How about keeping a database of info to insert in /etc/pcmcia/config for cards you don't have (I've got some already to include here.) A place where one of the more knowledgeable members can create a HowTo for wireless. ( the current howto in the ldp is limited to RH 6.2) Not everyone is running a PIV 4ghz with 1 gig of ram and dual NVidia cards on a desktp system. Fall flat on face getting off soapbox. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1
Actually I do know how to do my research but that aside. It is because of research that I've used the cards I've used. All four where supported under the 2.2 kernel! so ... 2 where cardbus (DWL-650 and and orinoco gold.) 2 were 16 bit (isa compat not PCI bus) A Cisco card and a Netgear MA401. I'm not asking for 802.11G I'm asking for 802.11a and b... the old standards. Most of all I'm asking for a forum maybe in MDK forum or MDK Club (Club does have the concept of moving people to join.) that is a dedicated forum for sharing data and how to info. Also some kind of "awareness" in MCC of wireless and pcmcia cards not just PCI nic's. As for how long it takes I'm aware of that as well. BUT if we keep waiting until M$ does it first before we attack the problem we'll always be #2 on the desktop. How fast do you thing people would move to Linux if it where the better "laptop" OS? James On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 19:03, Robert Wideman wrote: > Another thing that has been done/updated to the 2.5 kernel. You guys do NOT > know how to do your research and are requiring things NOW that is almost > impossible to do overnight. Most companies have not given their HW specs to > open source programmers and therefore have to reverse engineer and take > apart windows items in order to get it to even be possible on Linux. > Unfortunately I understand where you guys are coming from. Especially on > WiFi...which i have been learning for the last 6+ months and up until about > 2 months it changed almost weekly. Havent dealt with USB yet since i have > been semi unemployed for a while to buy new equipment but most of this has > been completed in 2.5 and semi backported to 2.4. > Rob > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jason Greenwood > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 4:34 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1 > > > I agree 100%. The other thing that MUST work well is USB and hotplugging. > I will not go into my trials and experiences here but suffice it to say that > as of 9.0 USB detection needed some help. I KNOW this is partially due to > hardware vendors not always following standard USB protocols (eg USB Mass > Storage Protocol) but if we can anticipate and compensate for this then > Mandrake WILL become the distro of choice for desktop users. USB is becoming > much more common, especially on laptops and this is one area where Linux > can/must do better. > > I have gotten a USB external sony memory stick reader/writer to work great > on mdk 9.0 but NOTHING else. (ok, a USB mouse but that doesn't count ;) The > reader workd out of the box just by plugging it in and I was totally > overjoyed but then was dismayed when NONE of my other USB peripherals worked > the same way. > > My .0002c worth. > > Cheers > > Jason Greenwood > > James Sparenberg wrote: > > All, > > > Laptops are the fastest selling sector of the hardware world. More > and more people are replacing there older desktop with a laptop. MDK is > far and away the most user friendly of the Linux distro's, with unified > menu's and no removal of user choice ala RH and blew. (One exception > noted here > > http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Splatt_Forum&file=vi > ewtopic&topic=3873&forum=2 > > ) > > The one point that is an extreme weakness for all the distro's and > should be a natural for MDK is with laptops. I for one have been > struggling mightily with wirelss for 2 weeks. Still haven't gottne it > to work right been through 4 cards ... have given up on cardbus ... down > graded to 8.0 and now have a 16 bit pcmcia netgear MA401RA working... > for up to 20 seconds before a hard lockup. I've googled till I'm blue > in the face and I keep coming up with people talking about not being > able to get wireless working in MDK and switching to SuSe or RH. OK I'm > a stubborn cuss. If it will work in SuSe or RH it's got to be able to > work in MDK. > > To the men and women of MDK. If you want to stand head ans shoulders > above the crowd this is a place where you are uniquely enabled to do > just this. It shouldn't be this hard. If I can click on an Icon and > create a self mounting samba share (and I can!) this should be doable. > Maybe in in the connection Wizard some recognition of wireless? How > about keeping a database of info to insert in /etc/pcmcia/config for > cards you don't have (I've got some already to include here.) A place > where one of the more knowledgeable members can create a HowTo for > wireless. ( the curre
RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1
On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 20:29, James Sparenberg wrote: > Actually I do know how to do my research but that aside. It is because > of research that I've used the cards I've used. All four where > supported under the 2.2 kernel! so ... 2 where cardbus (DWL-650 and > and orinoco gold.) 2 were 16 bit (isa compat not PCI bus) A Cisco card > and a Netgear MA401. I'm not asking for 802.11G I'm asking for 802.11a > and b... the old standards. I think your problem is more basic than the card; is PCMCIA working properly? In other words, does a wired NIC in the same slot work? I once had to work with RH6.2 some nasty Toshibas that had a PoS O2 PCMCIA bridge that would work for about 20 seconds before resetting itself. Luckily I was using them to demonstrate a high-availability networking product, so all I had to do was tail -f syslog in one window and explain what was happening :-) > Most of all I'm asking for a forum maybe in > MDK forum or MDK Club (Club does have the concept of moving people to > join.) that is a dedicated forum for sharing data and how to info. Also > some kind of "awareness" in MCC of wireless and pcmcia cards not just > PCI nic's. It does have this; it detected mine and set it up successfully. However, I did need to edit /etc/pcmcia/config first and change the module loaded by my card before it would work reliably, and more importantly I had to get ACPI going (non-trivial, documented at http://www.monkeynoodle.org/comp/vx88) before anything would work. > As for how long it takes I'm aware of that as well. BUT > if we keep waiting until M$ does it first before we attack the problem > we'll always be #2 on the desktop. How fast do you thing people would > move to Linux if it where the better "laptop" OS? > Er, about as fast as they move to Apple for being better at all the things that Apple people say it's better at :-) My two cents on where Linux in general and Mandrake specifically needs to go for modern laptops is full ACPI support, cpufreq or similar, and swsusp or an ACPI-based suspend. It's kind of annoying to have to halt and restart a laptop instead of suspend and awaken it. These are Linux issues though, the code is changing quickly and it'll be a few revisions into 2.6 before it's stable. MDK 9.2 should rock. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1
On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 20:48, Jack Coates wrote: > On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 20:29, James Sparenberg wrote: > > Actually I do know how to do my research but that aside. It is because > > of research that I've used the cards I've used. All four where > > supported under the 2.2 kernel! so ... 2 where cardbus (DWL-650 and > > and orinoco gold.) 2 were 16 bit (isa compat not PCI bus) A Cisco card > > and a Netgear MA401. I'm not asking for 802.11G I'm asking for 802.11a > > and b... the old standards. > > I think your problem is more basic than the card; is PCMCIA working > properly? In other words, does a wired NIC in the same slot work? I once > had to work with RH6.2 some nasty Toshibas that had a PoS O2 PCMCIA > bridge that would work for about 20 seconds before resetting itself. > Luckily I was using them to demonstrate a high-availability networking > product, so all I had to do was tail -f syslog in one window and explain > what was happening :-) > > > Most of all I'm asking for a forum maybe in > > MDK forum or MDK Club (Club does have the concept of moving people to > > join.) that is a dedicated forum for sharing data and how to info. Also > > some kind of "awareness" in MCC of wireless and pcmcia cards not just > > PCI nic's. > > It does have this; it detected mine and set it up successfully. However, > I did need to edit /etc/pcmcia/config first and change the module loaded > by my card before it would work reliably, and more importantly I had to > get ACPI going (non-trivial, documented at > http://www.monkeynoodle.org/comp/vx88) before anything would work. > > > As for how long it takes I'm aware of that as well. BUT > > if we keep waiting until M$ does it first before we attack the problem > > we'll always be #2 on the desktop. How fast do you thing people would > > move to Linux if it where the better "laptop" OS? > > > > Er, about as fast as they move to Apple for being better at all the > things that Apple people say it's better at :-) Good point but Linux runs on existing hardware with big numbers (27.8ghz or some such nonsense) so it wouldn't be as unfamiliar as OSX. > > > My two cents on where Linux in general and Mandrake specifically needs > to go for modern laptops is full ACPI support, cpufreq or similar, and > swsusp or an ACPI-based suspend. It's kind of annoying to have to halt > and restart a laptop instead of suspend and awaken it. These are Linux > issues though, the code is changing quickly and it'll be a few revisions > into 2.6 before it's stable. MDK 9.2 should rock. Valid and in affect tied in with this. I mean heck if we can vote on apps maybe we can vote on direction as well. *grin* > -- > Jack Coates > Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1
>> Actually I do know how to do my research but that aside. Ye, no joke. I wasnt meaning to be bash anyone. >> It is because >> of research that I've used the cards I've used. All four where >> supported under the 2.2 kernel! Now you state which kernel you were using, would have been helpful earlier. >> so ... 2 where cardbus (DWL-650 and >> and orinoco gold.) 2 were 16 bit (isa compat not PCI bus) A Cisco card >> and a Netgear MA401. I'm not asking for 802.11G I'm asking for 802.11a >> and b... the old standards. Technology wise 802.11b is still new, 11g has NO standards whatso ever at the moment and looks to be another standarization like 11b...5 million of them. >> Most of all I'm asking for a forum maybe in >> MDK forum or MDK Club (Club does have the concept of moving people to >> join.) I would totally agree. There are so many HOWTO's for wifi its not even funny and some work and some do not, some are even WAY TOO OLD. >> that is a dedicated forum for sharing data and how to info. Also >> some kind of "awareness" in MCC of wireless and pcmcia cards not just >> PCI nic's. I agree, RH 7.3 had this and its a year old. >> As for how long it takes I'm aware of that as well. BUT >> if we keep waiting until M$ does it first before we attack the problem >> we'll always be #2 on the desktop. I agree. The problem is the HW companies wont release the specs to opensource unless they pay royalties so we have to wait to RE the Windows drivers to understand the HW. Atleast this is how it was a while back, dont know about now. >> How fast do you thing people would >> move to Linux if it where the better "laptop" OS? It already is. I am personally still running Win2k as my main OS. BUT this is only b/c i have a XP 2k+ on my win2k compared to all scsi p3-450 on my linux box. Then again i am too used to windows. I am in the transition period though. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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>> > My two cents on where Linux in general and Mandrake specifically needs >> > to go for modern laptops is full ACPI support, cpufreq or similar, and >> > swsusp or an ACPI-based suspend. It's kind of annoying to have to halt >> > and restart a laptop instead of suspend and awaken it. These are Linux >> > issues though, the code is changing quickly and it'll be a few >> revisions >> > into 2.6 before it's stable. MDK 9.2 should rock. As far as suspension...I just power my MDK9 laptop off (no shutdown or anything) and it comes back up with no problem, then again that is EXT3 working. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1
On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 21:36, Robert Wideman wrote: > >> Actually I do know how to do my research but that aside. > > Ye, no joke. I wasnt meaning to be bash anyone. > > >> It is because > >> of research that I've used the cards I've used. All four where > >> supported under the 2.2 kernel! > > Now you state which kernel you were using, would have been helpful earlier Mdk 8.0 came with 2.4.3... i'v also played with 2.4.16-21 > > >> so ... 2 where cardbus (DWL-650 and > >> and orinoco gold.) 2 were 16 bit (isa compat not PCI bus) A Cisco card > >> and a Netgear MA401. I'm not asking for 802.11G I'm asking for 802.11a > >> and b... the old standards. > > Technology wise 802.11b is still new, 11g has NO standards whatso ever at > the moment and looks to be another standarization like 11b...5 million of > them. True enough it's about 2 years old. Nice part is like you said the standard is mid - lat 90's pre M$ "what me standards" attitude. > > >> Most of all I'm asking for a forum maybe in > >> MDK forum or MDK Club (Club does have the concept of moving people to > >> join.) > > I would totally agree. There are so many HOWTO's for wifi its not even > funny and some work and some do not, some are even WAY TOO OLD. > > >> that is a dedicated forum for sharing data and how to info. Also > >> some kind of "awareness" in MCC of wireless and pcmcia cards not just > >> PCI nic's. > > I agree, RH 7.3 had this and its a year old. > > >> As for how long it takes I'm aware of that as well. BUT > >> if we keep waiting until M$ does it first before we attack the problem > >> we'll always be #2 on the desktop. > > I agree. The problem is the HW companies wont release the specs to > opensource unless they pay royalties so we have to wait to RE the Windows > drivers to understand the HW. Atleast this is how it was a while back, dont > know about now. My point the orinoco and prismII have been opened. orinoco a while back. check out the Linux Wireless Lan project at wlan.org. > > >> How fast do you thing people would > >> move to Linux if it where the better "laptop" OS? > > It already is. I am personally still running Win2k as my main OS. BUT this > is only b/c i have a XP 2k+ on my win2k compared to all scsi p3-450 on my > linux box. Then again i am too used to windows. I am in the transition > period though. True but just like the old joke about women... we have to be 10x better to be seen as just as good. BTW how is win2000 never tried it (seriously) > > > Rob > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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>> BTW how is win2000 never tried it Usaability, a monkey can use/admin it easily. Security, its a M$ product, security?...HAHA. I used to run it as my desktop (Win2k Server) but then i bought an ATI 7500 AIW and the TV Tuner software would NOT install on a Server b/c of Terminal Services. Their explanation is it is not legal to export live audio/video, BUT it worked fine over VNC, HEHE. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 21:38, Robert Wideman wrote: > >> > My two cents on where Linux in general and Mandrake specifically needs > >> > to go for modern laptops is full ACPI support, cpufreq or similar, and > >> > swsusp or an ACPI-based suspend. It's kind of annoying to have to halt > >> > and restart a laptop instead of suspend and awaken it. These are Linux > >> > issues though, the code is changing quickly and it'll be a few > >> revisions > >> > into 2.6 before it's stable. MDK 9.2 should rock. > > As far as suspension...I just power my MDK9 laptop off (no shutdown or > anything) and it comes back up with no problem, then again that is EXT3 > working. > I use ext3, have used it for some time. I've used Reiser too, and NTFS, and I've specified VxFS countless times. I've lost enough data to each of these that I will not trust the journaling to do more than it is intended to do: that is, to guard against occasional failures. > > Rob > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Monday 03 February 2003 01:29 am, James Sparenberg wrote: > BTW how is win2000 never tried it > (seriously) let me tell you about a OS that bites... I run a SMP box, (p3 1000s) that is sweet with Mandrake SMP, and I used to show people how much slower winME was on the same box, (knowing full well win ME only saw the one CPU),, well when i got a gift of win2000pro, I installed it as a tripple boot, and let me tell you,, in spite of W2k noticeing the second CPU, it is a bigger dog than win ME as far as getting things done multitasking. in Mandrake, I have no noticable slow down to burn a cd, download an ISO, use the ViaVoice and dictate a letter and allow the printer to be used from a differnet computer on the lan, as well as have about a dozen winows in Konq and six in Galeon. as well as backup the hard drive to a different computer. in win 2k burning a cd is about all it can do at one time. I used to see if I could do so many things that the box would slow down, but I have given that up in Mandrake, I just don't see a slowdown. in win ME I can burn a cd and surf the web at the same time, just can't burn a cd and render a video at the same time, but in Mandreake, while the render may take a little longer, there is none of the mouse freezing that win2k cann't get past. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1
On Monday 03 February 2003 04:13 am, et wrote: > On Monday 03 February 2003 01:29 am, James Sparenberg wrote: > > BTW how is win2000 never tried it > > (seriously) > > let me tell you about a OS that bites... > I run a SMP box, (p3 1000s) that is sweet with Mandrake SMP, and I used to > show people how much slower winME was on the same box, (knowing full well > win ME only saw the one CPU),, well when i got a gift of win2000pro, I > installed it as a tripple boot, and let me tell you,, in spite of W2k > noticeing the second CPU, it is a bigger dog than win ME as far as getting > things done multitasking. in Mandrake, I have no noticable slow down to > burn a cd, download an ISO, use the ViaVoice and dictate a letter and allow > the printer to be used from a differnet computer on the lan, as well as > have about a dozen winows in Konq and six in Galeon. as well as backup the > hard drive to a different computer. in win 2k burning a cd is about all it > can do at one time. I used to see if I could do so many things that the box > would slow down, but I have given that up in Mandrake, I just don't see a > slowdown. in win ME I can burn a cd and surf the web at the same time, just > can't burn a cd and render a video at the same time, but in Mandreake, > while the render may take a little longer, there is none of the mouse > freezing that win2k cann't get past. LOL Well I help out in a local Computer Renaissance, mostly installing mandrakeLinux for the customers that want linux. I had a media-vs-drive problem so asked then to dup one of my CDs on their win2K server. They did and it was a TOTAL blank. I showed them that and they rebooted the server and burned again (perfect, and it worked on the target system). Then the tech rebooted the win2K server again. I asked about that and he said that it is their standard practice to reboot after every burn. I had a mandrake box with me, with a 40x12x48 CDRW and a very pedestrian SiS 630 chipset with a 1G Celeron and 256M Memory. I started burning a CD, then added an edit of a big text file (with OpenOffice) and configuring the machine to connect to the internet through their LAN with MCC and finishing with a dictionary search using Kdict The techs were impressed, cause their much heavier P4 based server could only burn a CD and could not complete any configuration while it was burning. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 08:56 -0900, civileme wrote: > > I had a mandrake box with me, with a 40x12x48 CDRW and a very pedestrian SiS > 630 chipset with a 1G Celeron and 256M Memory. I started burning a CD, then > added an edit of a big text file (with OpenOffice) and configuring the > machine to connect to the internet through their LAN with MCC and finishing > with a dictionary search using Kdict The techs were impressed, cause > their much heavier P4 based server could only burn a CD and could not > complete any configuration while it was burning. > > Civileme Yeah, it's very easy to impress those guys with standard Linux behaviour. You should have let them watch a small video (saved on your hd) at the same time and they'd talk about that for months. wobo -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
