Re: Re[2]: [expert] How to Block IE from a Website
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:09:30 -0700 rikona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > Also include the suggestion that they set their new, non-M$ browser to > ID as IE, otherwise MANY pages will not work well, or at all. If you > don't do this, they will think you sent them off in a rather > ridiculous, non-useful direction, return to IE, and will be biased > AGAINST non-M$ software. Be careful, it may backfire. Good suggestion, thanks! -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Life may have no meaning, or, even worse, it may have a meaning of which you disapprove. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re[2]: [expert] How to Block IE from a Website
On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 10:09, rikona wrote: > Hello JM5379, > > Friday, October 10, 2003, 9:34:05 AM, you wrote: > > Jsn> this would allow even the newbie-est to find and install whatever > Jsn> flavor tickles their tastebuds with a minimum of effort or > Jsn> understnding on their part. > > Also include the suggestion that they set their new, non-M$ browser to > ID as IE, otherwise MANY pages will not work well, or at all. If you > don't do this, they will think you sent them off in a rather > ridiculous, non-useful direction, return to IE, and will be biased > AGAINST non-M$ software. Be careful, it may backfire. Honestly, maybe I don't hang out in the right places or something, but my wife and I do almost everything online using Mozilla and Galeon and hardly ever run into this problem. It's been at least a year since the last time I had to show her how to spoof a browser ID with Konqueror. I had an intranet site that I had to use Codeweavers/IE for because it required SMB AUTH, but that's one site which was never intended for public consumption. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re[2]: [expert] How to Block IE from a Website
> Honestly, maybe I don't hang out in the right places or something, > but my wife and I do almost everything online using Mozilla and > Galeon and hardly ever run into this problem. It's been at least a > year since the last time I had to show her how to spoof a browser > ID with Konqueror. It still happens. There are a couple sites (which i can't remember now) i need that does, and people on newbie mention it every so often. I always send them a letter asking to remove such a useless requirement... eric -- Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re[2]: [expert] How to Block IE from a Website
> The more honest ones have admitted they can't justify > developing for more than IE, given the huge REPORTED market share. > With so many people using spoofing, it just makes the market share > look even bigger than it is. We can't win for loosing. That's the silly part: we're not really even asking for development. We just want them to get rid of the rejection of non IE browsers. It would mean *less* work and less code if they didn't put it in to begin with. eric -- Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re[2]: [expert] How to Block IE from a Website
On Sun, 2003-10-12 at 21:40, Eric Huff wrote: > > The more honest ones have admitted they can't justify > > developing for more than IE, given the huge REPORTED market share. > > With so many people using spoofing, it just makes the market share > > look even bigger than it is. We can't win for loosing. > > That's the silly part: we're not really even asking for development. > We just want them to get rid of the rejection of non IE browsers. > It would mean *less* work and less code if they didn't put it in to > begin with. > > eric Eric, As I see it your battle is not against IE but rather against poor quality (In light of recent changes) habits. For years these developers have been developing (As they say, "I've been a web developer since 1991") I've always had to do separate pages for IE and Netscape (Not that anyone uses Netscape much anymore.) / Mozilla. I don't have time to code for all of the other minor browsers (Some I've talked to of late don't even want to "code" for Mozilla.) The uphill is against lazy coders. Resistant to learning and changing. Not all are but enough are that it's a struggle. The second hurdle is marketing. Yep, you see they write the specs and the coders code to that spec. The spec says you will include code to support IE and Netscape 4.0 or better. In order to show that they do this they include code that excludes other browsers and doesn't really benefit the ones they include. In fact much of the work is put into supporting browsers that if they bothered to read the logs they would find that they don't get customers using (I've not had a hit from IE older than 5.5 in over a year and no 4.0 hits in over 2.) Yet they are required to support them. Since of course that's the standard. (shock the heck out of Marketing people, pull up the Orange Book (the DoD standards manual) all documents pertaining to submission of a bid for DoD contracts must be in WordPerfect compatible format. Sun Format will be accepted in lieu of WordPerfect on a case by case basis.) I wish you luck on your quest. But it might be easier to suck an elephant through a straw. (Am I getting cynical or what.) Remember. When a man tells you he's in Marketing ... remember to speak clearly. When he tells you he has an MBA, make sure you also speak slowly. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re[2]: [expert] How to Block IE from a Website
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:34:39 -0700 rikona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > The more honest ones have admitted they can't justify developing for > more than IE, given the huge REPORTED market share. With so many > people using spoofing, it just makes the market share look even bigger > than it is. *Very* good point. Love it. -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Arrakis teaches the attitude of the knife - chopping off what's incomplete and saying: "Now it's complete because it's ended here." -- Muad'dib, "Dune" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re[2]: [expert] How to Block IE from a Website
On Sun, 2003-10-12 at 21:40, Eric Huff wrote: > > The more honest ones have admitted they can't justify > > developing for more than IE, given the huge REPORTED market share. > > With so many people using spoofing, it just makes the market share > > look even bigger than it is. We can't win for loosing. > > That's the silly part: we're not really even asking for development. > We just want them to get rid of the rejection of non IE browsers. > It would mean *less* work and less code if they didn't put it in to > begin with. > > eric unless it didn't work in your browser, or did but didn't look good. Both cases come back to more work, only it's unplanned work. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
