Re: [Factor-talk] Build Factor on Windows with Win7 SDK
The one you download here is what I'm using: https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=691978=0x409 2016-05-27 0:05 GMT+02:00 Alexander Ilin: > Hey, Doug! > > 27.05.2016, 00:54, "Doug Coleman" : > > We started using C++11 or C++14 features and this requires a newer compiler. > Can you try with the latest Visual Studio? > > > > I don't have anything installed, and I kinda liked the idea of only having > an SDK. > I'm not big on C++ or Visual Studios, so I'm not sure what to install. VS > 2015 SP2 Enterprise? Is there a free version? > Or is there maybe a bare minimum command-line package this would work on? > > > The wiki is outdated and I can change it but I'm not sure why new users > can't or why the email/password reset system is broken. I can check it out > later. > > > It seems to be working for me now. > > ---=--- > Александр > > > -- > What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic > patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are > consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, > J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity > planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > -- mvh/best regards Björn Lindqvist -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Issue #1573: interrupt a tight loop
Hello, You could certainly wrap the CreateThread function and call it from factor. See the windows.kernel32 vocab for how wrapping Windows system functions are done. On the VM:s level, threads are started with the start_thread() function which is defined in vm/os-windows.cpp. Oh, and didn't we discuss this issue last year? https://sourceforge.net/p/factor/mailman/message/34507872/ 2016-05-26 21:33 GMT+02:00 Alexander Ilin: > Hello again! > > To fix https://github.com/factor/factor/issues/1573 I need to know one > thing: can I start a native thread (WinAPI CreateThread) within the > Factor.exe process with Factor code running in it? If so, how do I do it? > > If not, I'll have to implement it in VM's C++ code. > > ---=--- > Александр > > -- > Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who > bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDM > restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the > apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data untouched! > https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- mvh/best regards Björn Lindqvist -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Build Factor on Windows with Win7 SDK
Well maybe Doug can tell you how to get a smaller disk footprint for the few things we need. I just know how to reliably get it built! :-) > On May 26, 2016, at 4:09 PM, Alexander Ilinwrote: > > Hi! > > 27.05.2016, 01:11, "John Benediktsson" : >> The only thing you need is a recent Visual Studio (the community free one is >> fine). > > OK, got it. Goodbye, 12.5Gb off my SSD, *sigh*, you will be missed. > >> Then just run: >> >> build.cmd latest > > That I'll have to try tomorrow, I'm afraid. 2:30 a.m. here. > > ---=--- > Александр > > -- > What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic > patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are > consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, > J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity > planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Build Factor on Windows with Win7 SDK
Hi! 27.05.2016, 01:11, "John Benediktsson":The only thing you need is a recent Visual Studio (the community free one is fine). OK, got it. Goodbye, 12.5Gb off my SSD, *sigh*, you will be missed. Then just run: build.cmd latest That I'll have to try tomorrow, I'm afraid. 2:30 a.m. here. ---=---Александр -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Build Factor on Windows with Win7 SDK
The only thing you need is a recent Visual Studio (the community free one is fine). Then just run: build.cmd latest On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Alexander Ilinwrote: > Hey, Doug! > > 27.05.2016, 00:54, "Doug Coleman" : > > We started using C++11 or C++14 features and this requires a newer > compiler. Can you try with the latest Visual Studio? > > > > I don't have anything installed, and I kinda liked the idea of only having > an SDK. > I'm not big on C++ or Visual Studios, so I'm not sure what to install. VS > 2015 SP2 Enterprise? Is there a free version? > Or is there maybe a bare minimum command-line package this would work on? > > > The wiki is outdated and I can change it but I'm not sure why new users > can't or why the email/password reset system is broken. I can check it out > later. > > > It seems to be working for me now. > > ---=--- > Александр > > > > -- > What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and > traffic > patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols > are > consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, > J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity > planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Build Factor on Windows with Win7 SDK
Hey, Doug! 27.05.2016, 00:54, "Doug Coleman":We started using C++11 or C++14 features and this requires a newer compiler. Can you try with the latest Visual Studio? I don't have anything installed, and I kinda liked the idea of only having an SDK.I'm not big on C++ or Visual Studios, so I'm not sure what to install. VS 2015 SP2 Enterprise? Is there a free version?Or is there maybe a bare minimum command-line package this would work on? The wiki is outdated and I can change it but I'm not sure why new users can't or why the email/password reset system is broken. I can check it out later. It seems to be working for me now. ---=---Александр -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Build Factor on Windows with Win7 SDK
Hey Alexander, We started using C++11 or C++14 features and this requires a newer compiler. Can you try with the latest Visual Studio? The wiki is outdated and I can change it but I'm not sure why new users can't or why the email/password reset system is broken. I can check it out later. Doug On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Alexander Ilinwrote: > Hello! > > I wanted to build Factor, so I downloaded and installed the Win 7 SDK as > suggested here: > https://concatenative.org/wiki/view/Factor/Requirements > I only selected two items during the installation: "Windows Headers and > Libraries" and "Visual C++ Compilers". The nmake was in the latter package, > I'm not sure I needed the first one. > > Then I went to c:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio > 9.0\VC\bin\ and started "Visual Studio 2008 x64 Win64 Command Prompt.lnk", > because I'm on a 64-bit Win 8.1 PC. Here's what happened next: > ---start-console-dump--- > Setting environment for using Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 x64 tools. > > C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\VC\bin>cd > c:\Programs\Dev\factor.git\ > > c:\Programs\Dev\factor.git>build.cmd > x86-64 cl.exe detected. > Deleting staging images from temp/... > The system cannot find the file specified. > Updating working copy from master... > From git://factorcode.org/git/factor > * branchmaster -> FETCH_HEAD > Already up-to-date. > Building vm... > del vm\*.obj > Could Not Find c:\Programs\Dev\factor.git\vm\*.obj > if exist factor.lib del factor.lib > if exist factor.res del factor.res > if exist factor.com del factor.com > if exist factor.exe del factor.exe > if exist factor.dll del factor.dll > if exist factor.dll.lib del factor.dll.lib > if exist libfactor-ffi-test.dll del libfactor-ffi-test.dll > if exist libfactor-ffi-test.exp del libfactor-ffi-test.exp > if exist libfactor-ffi-test.lib del libfactor-ffi-test.lib > nmake /nologo PLATFORM=x86-64 /f Nmakefile all > cl /EHsc /nologo /O2 /WX /W3 /D_CRT_SECURE_NO_WARNINGS > /DFACTOR_VERSION=0.98 > /DFACTOR_GIT_LABEL=heads/fix-file-readable-add-422cd37698ae5c05dc0f4e1b7a17bbe59dc35f51 > /Fovm\main-windows.obj /c vm\main-windows.cpp main-windows.cpp > c:\programs\dev\factor.git\vm\master.hpp(23) : fatal error C1083: Cannot > open include file: 'stdint.h': No such file or directory > NMAKE : fatal error U1077: '"C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual > Studio 9.0\VC\BIN\amd64\cl.EXE"' : return code '0x2' > Stop. > NMAKE : fatal error U1077: '"C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual > Studio 9.0\VC\BIN\amd64\nmake.EXE"' : return code '0x2' > Stop. > Build failed. > ---end-console-dump--- > > Looks like nmake can't locate the 'stdint.h'. > > What's the deal with that? > > Googling a bit, it looks like that I need a later version of the > toolkit. Something with "Microsoft Visual Studio 10.0" in it, not > "Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0": > > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/126279/c99-stdint-h-header-and-ms-visual-studio > > So, at least the build instructions on > https://concatenative.org/wiki/view/Factor/Requirements are incorrect, > right? Win 7 SDK is not good enough. > > Anyway, I followed one of the links on StackOverflow to download the > portable version of stdint.h: http://www.azillionmonkeys.com/qed/pstdint.h > I renamed it and placed in c:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual > Studio 9.0\VC\include\stdint.h > > That moved me on to the next error: > ---start-console-dump--- > c:\Programs\Dev\factor.git>build.cmd > x86-64 cl.exe detected. > Deleting staging images from temp/... > The system cannot find the file specified. > Updating working copy from master... > From git://factorcode.org/git/factor > * branchmaster -> FETCH_HEAD > Already up-to-date. > Building vm... > del vm\*.obj > Could Not Find c:\Programs\Dev\factor.git\vm\*.obj > if exist factor.lib del factor.lib > if exist factor.res del factor.res > if exist factor.com del factor.com > if exist factor.exe del factor.exe > if exist factor.dll del factor.dll > if exist factor.dll.lib del factor.dll.lib > if exist libfactor-ffi-test.dll del libfactor-ffi-test.dll > if exist libfactor-ffi-test.exp del libfactor-ffi-test.exp > if exist libfactor-ffi-test.lib del libfactor-ffi-test.lib > nmake /nologo PLATFORM=x86-64 /f Nmakefile all > cl /EHsc /nologo /O2 /WX /W3 /D_CRT_SECURE_NO_WARNINGS > /DFACTOR_VERSION=0.98 > /DFACTOR_GIT_LABEL=heads/fix-file-readable-add-4ec338b43d4ad9e9ec4af657876ac9244bffe17a > /Fovm\main-windows.obj /c vm\main-windows.cpp > main-windows.cpp > c:\programs\dev\factor.git\vm\free_list.hpp(167) : error C4430: missing > type specifier - int assumed. Note: C++ does not support default-int > c:\programs\dev\factor.git\vm\free_list.hpp(166) : while compiling > class
[Factor-talk] Build Factor on Windows with Win7 SDK
Hello! I wanted to build Factor, so I downloaded and installed the Win 7 SDK as suggested here: https://concatenative.org/wiki/view/Factor/Requirements I only selected two items during the installation: "Windows Headers and Libraries" and "Visual C++ Compilers". The nmake was in the latter package, I'm not sure I needed the first one. Then I went to c:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\VC\bin\ and started "Visual Studio 2008 x64 Win64 Command Prompt.lnk", because I'm on a 64-bit Win 8.1 PC. Here's what happened next: ---start-console-dump--- Setting environment for using Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 x64 tools. C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\VC\bin>cd c:\Programs\Dev\factor.git\ c:\Programs\Dev\factor.git>build.cmd x86-64 cl.exe detected. Deleting staging images from temp/... The system cannot find the file specified. Updating working copy from master... From git://factorcode.org/git/factor * branchmaster -> FETCH_HEAD Already up-to-date. Building vm... del vm\*.obj Could Not Find c:\Programs\Dev\factor.git\vm\*.obj if exist factor.lib del factor.lib if exist factor.res del factor.res if exist factor.com del factor.com if exist factor.exe del factor.exe if exist factor.dll del factor.dll if exist factor.dll.lib del factor.dll.lib if exist libfactor-ffi-test.dll del libfactor-ffi-test.dll if exist libfactor-ffi-test.exp del libfactor-ffi-test.exp if exist libfactor-ffi-test.lib del libfactor-ffi-test.lib nmake /nologo PLATFORM=x86-64 /f Nmakefile all cl /EHsc /nologo /O2 /WX /W3 /D_CRT_SECURE_NO_WARNINGS /DFACTOR_VERSION=0.98 /DFACTOR_GIT_LABEL=heads/fix-file-readable-add-422cd37698ae5c05dc0f4e1b7a17bbe59dc35f51 /Fovm\main-windows.obj /c vm\main-windows.cpp main-windows.cpp c:\programs\dev\factor.git\vm\master.hpp(23) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'stdint.h': No such file or directory NMAKE : fatal error U1077: '"C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\VC\BIN\amd64\cl.EXE"' : return code '0x2' Stop. NMAKE : fatal error U1077: '"C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\VC\BIN\amd64\nmake.EXE"' : return code '0x2' Stop. Build failed. ---end-console-dump--- Looks like nmake can't locate the 'stdint.h'. What's the deal with that? Googling a bit, it looks like that I need a later version of the toolkit. Something with "Microsoft Visual Studio 10.0" in it, not "Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0": https://stackoverflow.com/questions/126279/c99-stdint-h-header-and-ms-visual-studio So, at least the build instructions on https://concatenative.org/wiki/view/Factor/Requirements are incorrect, right? Win 7 SDK is not good enough. Anyway, I followed one of the links on StackOverflow to download the portable version of stdint.h: http://www.azillionmonkeys.com/qed/pstdint.h I renamed it and placed in c:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\VC\include\stdint.h That moved me on to the next error: ---start-console-dump--- c:\Programs\Dev\factor.git>build.cmd x86-64 cl.exe detected. Deleting staging images from temp/... The system cannot find the file specified. Updating working copy from master... From git://factorcode.org/git/factor * branchmaster -> FETCH_HEAD Already up-to-date. Building vm... del vm\*.obj Could Not Find c:\Programs\Dev\factor.git\vm\*.obj if exist factor.lib del factor.lib if exist factor.res del factor.res if exist factor.com del factor.com if exist factor.exe del factor.exe if exist factor.dll del factor.dll if exist factor.dll.lib del factor.dll.lib if exist libfactor-ffi-test.dll del libfactor-ffi-test.dll if exist libfactor-ffi-test.exp del libfactor-ffi-test.exp if exist libfactor-ffi-test.lib del libfactor-ffi-test.lib nmake /nologo PLATFORM=x86-64 /f Nmakefile all cl /EHsc /nologo /O2 /WX /W3 /D_CRT_SECURE_NO_WARNINGS /DFACTOR_VERSION=0.98 /DFACTOR_GIT_LABEL=heads/fix-file-readable-add-4ec338b43d4ad9e9ec4af657876ac9244bffe17a /Fovm\main-windows.obj /c vm\main-windows.cpp main-windows.cpp c:\programs\dev\factor.git\vm\free_list.hpp(167) : error C4430: missing type specifier - int assumed. Note: C++ does not support default-int c:\programs\dev\factor.git\vm\free_list.hpp(166) : while compiling class template member function 'void factor::free_list_allocator::sweep(void)' with [ Block=factor::object ] c:\programs\dev\factor.git\vm\tenured_space.hpp(3) : see reference to class template instantiation 'factor::free_list_allocator' being compiled with [ Block=factor::object ] c:\programs\dev\factor.git\vm\free_list.hpp(167) : error C2059: syntax error : '[' c:\programs\dev\factor.git\vm\free_list.hpp(167) : error C2143: syntax error : missing ';' before '{' NMAKE
[Factor-talk] Issue #1573: interrupt a tight loop
Hello again! To fix https://github.com/factor/factor/issues/1573 I need to know one thing: can I start a native thread (WinAPI CreateThread) within the Factor.exe process with Factor code running in it? If so, how do I do it? If not, I'll have to implement it in VM's C++ code. ---=--- Александр -- Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDM restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data untouched! https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Concatenative.org Wiki
Hello! 26.05.2016, 17:55, "Alexander Ilin": > Is it possible to contribute to the Concatenative.org Wiki? > > I can't login and "recover password" does not send me an e-mail. I still did not get that e-mail, but my contribution was somehow accepted when I tried just now. Thanks to whomever helped with that. ---=--- Александр -- Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDM restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data untouched! https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] Concatenative.org Wiki
Hello! Is it possible to contribute to the Concatenative.org Wiki? I can't login and "recover password" does not send me an e-mail. ---=--- Александр -- Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDM restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data untouched! https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Factor Code Analysis Tools
Hello, Alex! Thank you, it looks nice, I'll give it a try, although it's not something I need at the moment.It's good to know such a thing exists. 25.05.2016, 18:41, "Alex Vondrak":In case it helps, here's an ancient gist of mine where I did some basic vocab dependency analysis: https://gist.github.com/ajvondrak/4158963 This was to find circular dependencies, where loading the vocab would go into an infinite loop. Thus I couldn't use the loaded vocab objects themselves, so instead looked at the text of the file, which isn't necessarily accurate. I also haven't tested this since writing it, so not sure if it still works on the latest Factor.On May 25, 2016 6:01 AM, "Alexander Ilin" wrote:Hello! That's great, John, thanks for the pointer! 25.05.2016, 00:57, "John Benediktsson" :You can easily get usage information, for example all (loaded) words that call ``+``: \ + usage. There are some graphviz libraries that have been built to visualize various parts of the compiler and either already can, or with some work, use the tools.crossref vocabulary to look at word and vocab dependencies. ---=---Александр --Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees whobring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDMrestrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only theapps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data untouched!https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j___Factor-talk mailing listFactor-talk@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ,--Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees whobring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDMrestrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only theapps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data untouched!https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j,___Factor-talk mailing listFactor-talk@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk ---=---Александр -- Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDM restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data untouched! https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Factor Code Analysis Tools
Hello, Doug! I've read the lint vocab and I must say I'm impressed yet again by how simple things are in Factor.Thanks for the great tool! ---=---Александр -- Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDM restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data untouched! https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk