Re: [Factor-talk] Wikipedia page flagged for notability and possible deletion
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 04:25:19PM -0800, Ed Keith wrote: > I think someone is on a crusade to get everything but his or her pet > subject removed from Wikipedia. Half the pages I've visited in the > last moth have been marked for deletion. If they all go there will not > be much left. Not quite: *many* people are on a crusade to delete anything even slightly obscure from Wikipedia. Check through the "articles for deletion" queue some time, I guarantee you'll find plenty that shouldn't be deleted in there (and plenty of rules-lawyers willing to defend that deletion long past the point where you've given up the will to live). To the present point, note that Wikipedia rules determine notability by reference to "independent, reliable, published sources". So newspapers, magazines and so on count, but blogs don't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources Yes, it's fricking 2011 and these guidelines are completely outdated; if anyone feels like running for Wikimedia President, changing the rules and banning all the deletionists then you'd have my full support. But back to Factor's article: unless some computing magazine or other has covered Factor, our best bet might be to cite scholarly journal articles. ISTR there are a few of these? Though again, "a review article, monograph, or textbook is better than a primary research paper. When relying on primary sources, extreme caution is advised". Miles -- The Tube is Civilization! -- Tycho Brahe, "Penny Arcade" -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] stack-effect syntax
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 05:58:48AM -0600, Shaping wrote: >A word could be defined with the following stack effects and the behavior >would be the same: > >: foo ( a quot -- ) > >: foo ( apples bananas -- ) > >: foo ( !...@# @#$ -- ) Yes. >Likewise, with nested stack effect checking, the following are equivalent: > >: bar ( a quot: ( b -- ) -- ) > >: bar ( apples bananas: ( pears -- ) -- ) > >: bar ( !...@# @#$: ( #$% -- ) -- ) Yes. >The point of these examples seems to be that the tokens appearing in the >stack-effect syntax are truly arbitrary, but how then are the >stack-effects count- and type-binding? They're count-binding, but not type-binding. >Ignore for now the fact that you can declare nested effects. Take >the basic case. What if I really want word sum-of-integers to be >able to add only integers and not, say, floats?: Then I suggest you try some other language which has static typing. Miles -- Note that those are the bitwise OR (|) and AND (&) operators, not the more commonly used logical OR (||) and AND ( && ) operators. Getting the two mixed up can lead to hours of interesting debugging. -- Maciej Ceglowski -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 & L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today http://p.sf.net/sfu/msIE9-sfdev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Change click behavior for syntactic token to link to docs for main syntax word?
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 04:18:37PM +0530, Joe Groff wrote: > In summary, any syntactic token should link to the docs of the main > syntactic form it is a part of. What do you guys think? Sounds good to me. Miles -- So you've got to know that *synergy* doesn't actually mean *synergy* in this book. I can't do normal *synergy*. No, in this book, *synergy* means *cartoon foxes*. What I'm saying is: this book will be starting off with an exorbitant amount of *cartoon foxes*. And I will be counting on you to turn them into *synergy*. -- Why the lucky stiff -- Nokia and AT&T present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps & games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] USE and USING
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 02:56:12PM +0200, nitralime wrote: >Hello! > >What is the difference between USE and USING? As far as I know, the only difference is that USE: only allows you to import one vocabulary per statement, but USING: lets you import several in one line. Miles -- There are only two infinite things: the Universe, and human stupidity. And I'm not too sure about the Universe. -- Albert Einstein -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Exotic numbers
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 03:19:33PM +, Jason Merrill wrote: > Hi Miles, > > I did some work on dual numbers a while back, which is in extra in the > math.dual vocab. Yes, I found this about an hour after starting work :-) Looks like you've done everything I wanted to, better. Ah well, doing it myself will still probably be a useful learning exercise. Notes to self: 1) There are already more things in Factor than are dreamt of in my philosophy, 2) do a proper search before starting work on something. Miles -- Condense soup, not books! -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Exotic numbers
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 11:47:11AM -0700, Joe Groff wrote: > Another possibility would be to define multimethod versions of +, -, > *, etc. in a different "math.generic" vocabulary using the > "multi-methods" library in extra/, and using your generic math vocab > instead of "math" in code that deals with dual numbers: Thanks! That looks worth a try, at least. I'll try out qx's idea from http://tunes.org/~nef//logs/concatenative/10.06.26 of writing a code-walking macro, too. Miles -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -- Pablo Picasso -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] Exotic numbers
Hi everyone, I'm writing some code to work with dual numbers (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_number), and, since they can be seen as an extension of the reals, it would be nice to implement the number protocol and take advantage of the math-combination word. Is this possible? Thanks, Miles -- The essence of the Liberal outlook lies not in what opinions are held, but in how they are held: instead of being held dogmatically, they are held tentatively, and with a consciousness that new evidence may at any moment lead to their abandonment. -- Bertrand Russell -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] multi dimensional arrays and console
On Fri, Jun 04, 2010 at 12:48:27AM +0300, Kobi Lurie wrote: > there are two versions, one is based on an array, the other on a hashtable. I'd suggest calling these dense-multiarray and sparse-multiarray. Both could be useful in different circumstances. Miles -- Whenever a politician or a businessman talks about a quantum leap he _does_ mean the smallest possible change. It's just that he assumes his audience won't realise it. -- Roger Burton West -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] A few questions
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 07:22:35PM +1000, Vladimir Darmanian wrote: >For those still interested in my purpose I have hundreds of megs of data >in character sequences but there are only 4 possible characters DNA sequences, by any chance? Miles -- I like primatology. Not to actually do, of course. I want someone else to go and sit in the savannah all day long for twenty years, then tell me what happened. -- Mark Rosenfelder -- ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Factor educational tools
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 09:45:02AM -0700, Jim mack wrote: >While we're on the subject, does anyone know a cheap hosting site that >allows you to run custom executables? I use dreamhost and haven't asked >them to host factor yet, but remember trying to use Ruby in the early days >and it took them a while to get going. I use these guys: http://www.mythic-beasts.com and have been pretty happy with them. They do a full range of hosting-type stuff, but their shell accounts are detailed here: http://www.mythic-beasts.com/pricelist.html HTH, Miles. -- A good skeptical mind doesn't waste itself on drugs or ideology. -- Mark Rosenfelder -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] fun cheating in word puzzles with Factor
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:15:15PM +1100, Alex Chapman wrote: > Of course my path to the solution wasn't quite such a fairy tale, but > it only took around 30 minutes in total, and most of that was trying > to find a valid word list. /usr/share/dict/words (or sometimes /usr/dict/words) is the standard wordlist on most *nix systems. It's very useful for cheating on crossword puzzles :-) More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Words_(Unix) Miles -- Our biggest mistake: using the scary term "Monad" rather than "warm fuzzy thing" -- Simon Peyton Jones -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Adding a stack effect to a quotation
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:48:26AM -0600, Daniel Ehrenberg wrote: > > A possible GSoC project? > Sure, though it would be difficult to e accepted without demonstrating > to us that you would have a good chance in completing this task, with > a concrete plan of what you're going to do. (I'm not sure if I would > be.) Oh, I wasn't volunteering: I'm no longer a student, and this project in particular looks much too ambitious for my current state of Factor knowledge (though some of the other ideas on the wiki look a bit more tractable...). I just thought it might be worth adding to the ideas list. Miles -- Manolo says, the fashion, it is not the nuclear rocket brain surgery. -- Manolo the Shoeblogger -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Adding a stack effect to a quotation
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 01:31:39PM -0600, Daniel Ehrenberg wrote: > However, no concatenative language has yet been designed which is both > dynamically typed and supports call( with row polymorphism. Andreas > Rossberg specified a static type system for a concatenative language > with row polymorphism > (http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/1899#comment-23169), but that > alone wouldn't be enough for Factor. It has to be worked out how this > feature would interact with the rest of Factor, not to mention the > need for convenient and intuitive syntax. It would also be nice to > have type inference here, though that's not necessary. > > This would be an interesting project for a theoretically-inclined > contributor who is OK with a high chance of failure (or even in the > event of some kind of success, a chance that the result will not be > included in the core Factor language). I would be very pleased to see > someone work on a project like this. A possible GSoC project? Miles -- Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. -- Henry Spencer -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Modern posting netiquette?
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:28:43AM -0500, Terrence Brannon wrote: > I'm wondering about the most polite way to list code when you need > help. Before hyperlinks, you had to inline all the code. But I think > that hampers readability of the document as a whole. I am starting to > prefer a markdown way of writing my emails, putting links to relevant > source files instead of inlining them, like so: I'm not sure that Markdown syntax really adds anything. I'd just put the links inline, like so: http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=1042 Note the use of the factorcode.org pastebin, which produces nice short URLs. [BTW: the spambots have found their way around the reverse-psychology captcha. See http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=1494 .] But for short enough code samples (less than ten lines or so), I think it's fine to include code inline; code that follows the Factor style guidelines should fit nicely in a terminal window. Then again, I read email in a fixed-width font; perhaps people who read mail via the Web will feel differently. Miles -- Love makes you do the wacky. -- Willow -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] [PATCH] fix for math.parser
On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 06:05:58PM +0100, Philipp Brüschweiler wrote: > Hi all > > A quick fix for base> . I'm not sure I'm not breaking compatibility > with the old (broken according to the documentation) behaviour of > base>. But at least it's a start. Upmod for "wake up sheeple" :-) Miles -- Very like kendo, without the buddhism. -- Gareth Smith on boxing -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
