[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rama Thang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Hypnotize" now there's a really clear concept! When someone > experiences something that doesn't fit our concepts we say, > "well of course, you were hypnotized." And that of course > explains everything. That's the whole *point*, isn't it? To find a convenient explanation for something troubling so that you can write it off and get back to assuming you already know everything worth knowing. :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rama (Lentz): Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IIRC, one of the things he had students do was meditate on him. But I never did. Never on MMY or GD, either. Just not that kinda guy. > I don't > know a lot about hypnosis, but this could be linked to some sort of > hypnotic method, couldn't it? In my experience, *most* of the people who propose hypnosis as an alternative explanation for what happened know nothing about it. :-) > I was also suspect about the recent claims on this list, if true, > that he claimed to have been a reincarnated lama, reincarnating > several times--as I know of no formal acknowledgment of this > status from the tradition itself (which definitely looks for > reincarnations). There may even be a formal denial out there > somewhere (e.g. from the Dalai Lama or some other figure). That is true, but then he wasn't *part* of their tradition. I've met Tibetan rinpoches who swing both ways on Rama. Some think he was enlightened, others don't. It's like anything else...everybody's got an opinion. In general, given the crazy wisdom aspect of their own traditions, the Tibetans are more understanding and less likely to gossip than Newagers or Hindus. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > on 6/12/05 3:55 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > In my more optimistic moments the fact that I > > > > don't know anything about him gives me room to > > > > fantasize that once he's in control, he may > > > > take things in an entirely new direction. > > > > > > > > But other than that, I'm just watching. > > > > > > Well that was a nice rational post. I have yet to see why you have > > earned > > > the reputation of stridently defending TM against any and all > criticism. > > > (http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/) > > > > I agree with Judy, except I think that Maharishi's family (nephews?) > > will have control. Look at the Indian TM websites that are in > English. > > I like Judy's posts. > > > > MMY's nephews appear to have at least some control but I've never > seen it as anything more than traditional Hindu nepotism. Look on the boards of the government registered organizations JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Prctices / Ethics
> Yes, I am sure he had many willing sexual participants. However, it > appears he also aggressively pursued women, the following article > cites courts cases and complaints about seductions. > > http://www.xenu.org/factnet/LENZ/FILES/SEX.TXT There are lots of those kinda articles. Since I knew some of the women at the time they were boinking the guy, and how they talked then vs. how they talked after they figured out he wasn't interested in them as girlfriend or long-time lover, I have to treat some of them as "women scorned" stories. Others, I don't know. > Some articles on Lenz that I read today quote a Lenz publicist "Lisa > Lewinson". Was that the former TMO LL? Yes. Lotsa former TM teachers in the Rama trip. > One article claims Lenz gave women LSD and did wierd mind trips on > them. Was this a regular practice? While I know this is a stretch, > but do you see any possibility that the group observations of his > "sidhis" involved some group spiking of the punch with hallucegens? I know that he experimented with LSD, as did a few of his students. But no, it had nothing whatsoever to do with the stuff in the deserts. As I said, me and many other people hadn't done drugs in decades and we saw the same thing. Same with the ideas of sleep deprivation and "suggestion." Neither were a factor, IMO. It would be far more convenient to believe they were. The inconvenient truth is that he could do these things AND be an asshole. > Also an article, and a poster, mentioned that the sidhis would appear > to followers after he would have them star at him for long > periods. I know from experience that if you star long enough at > something, strange visuals can occur. Did staring or other > practices preceed your observation of the sidhis? For some people, probably. Not for me. I'm not a staring kinda guy, and as Llun pointed out, he really wasn't that great-looking a guy. :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > > on 6/12/05 3:55 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > > In my more optimistic moments the fact that I
> > > > don't know anything about him gives me room to
> > > > fantasize that once he's in control, he may
> > > > take things in an entirely new direction.
> > > >
> > > > But other than that, I'm just watching.
> > >
> > > Well that was a nice rational post. I have yet to see why you
> > > have earned the reputation of stridently defending TM against
> > > any and all criticism.
> > > (http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/)
> >
> > A.m.t was my main online hangout for many years, and what I saw
was
> > extreme frustration with Judy's extremely cutting intellect and
> > intense scrutiny of details. She doesn't suffer fools who lie or
make
> > intellectually sloppy or superficial criticisms. Judy is Goddess
> > Durga on the battlefield of words and ideas.
> >
> > Alex
>
> Yup - describes it exactly. Words have meaning
They indeed have, sometimes loads of:
Entry yoga
Meaning m. yoking, harnessing, drive, yoke, team; fitting out (an.
army), fixing (an arrow); setting to work, use, application; means,
expedient, trick, stratagem, art, fraud, deceit, magic, charm;
enterprise, work; union, combination, relation, contact with (instr.
{ñsaha} or ---); conjunction (of stars); pursuit, acquisition,
property; succession, order, fitness, propriety; effort, endeavour,
zeal, attention; collection or concentration of the mind, meditation.
contemplation, N. of a phil. system; etymology & etym. meaning of a
word, grammatical construction, rule or aphorism (g.). --Instr. &
abl. in the right way, as is proper, according to, by means or in
consequence of (---).
- use them properly.
> Judy is a clarifier of thought... :-)
>
> JohnY
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Prctices / Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Started out > > great, very clean, with such potential, and then got > > weirder than shit. When it got too weird for me, I split. > > > an analogy: it's like starting out from the point in the center of a > circle. If you are just one degree off relative to your destination it > makes little difference when the circle is small, but if applied to a > large circle, like the circumference of the earth, a one degree error > equates to hundreds of miles, so much so that you will never reach > your destination. Exactly. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Was: Personality types Now: Trust and Motivation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Nice theory, but I think it was because Maharishi wanted to > play > > > > puppeteer, and only wanted puppets under him. > > > > > > > > --Not merely puppeteer, but big fish. > > > > > > And in a pond he has intentionally kept small, despite > > > claims that he wants the opposite. > > > > > > Unc > > > > Yup, the disconnect was too much for for me, when I saw that he > could > > have created a large group of people doing siddhi's (and later > > yagya's) and didn't do it. He just kept fund raising for it. > > > > Why didn't Steve Jobs ever invest that $6 Billion that Apple has > banked? He had plenty of projects he attempted that failed, but that > $6 billion never got spent. Why? huh? No comparison here. A computer company is completely different from an organization that exists to propagate knowlege. When Maharishi did not create a group when he could have, it lead me to believe that he really didn't believe that a group would do what he said it would. And it made me look for other motivations. It made me distrust what he said. Very simple - many large donors that have left the TMO, have came to the same conclusion. Many other things are duplicitus (sp?) as well: the cost of yagyas, peace palaces, MAPI herbs, panchakarma, advanced techniques etc, etc, etc The TMO is not currently and has not been in the business of knowlege propagation for some time. When meditators need advise and checking and knowlege there is no stucture for them to use and there hasn't been one for almost 20yrs. It's all fund raising, property and buildings, politics and crowns... Money JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yada, yada, yada...deja vu all over again. I just can't listen to that stuff anymore.. If it really works lets see it, if anyone is listening anymore. Around the Dawn of the AofE stuff there was a dramatic shift from knowlege to propaganda. Maharishi started being much more repetitive and closing his eyes during the propaganda stuff... > > purushaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:--- > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ron F wrote: > Note: forwarded message attached. > > Lifespan > > Global Press Conference, 8.6.05 > > MAHARISHI: ...We can make a sentence: the range of life is on the > desire > of the liver. Any living man can desire his span of life. Because > infinity > is completely open to his finite value of life - (through) desiring > he can > increase. Desiring he can increase. It is open to his awareness. > > And now the structure of the Government of the Global Country of > World > Peace > will educate the whole population of the world... > > In every field the educational institutions will be available to > remind > the > living man at any level of invincibility, small level of > invincibility or > bigger and bigger level of invincibility. These institution of the > Global > Country of World Peace, all these eight ministries and all that which > have > been inaugurating today, they will be the lighthouse to guide the > man, put > him in the light and let him desire how long he wants to live. Let him > desire how long he wants tro live... > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
Change usually occurs due to pain. General there's no reason to change, until the belief, or the activity, or compulsion, becomes too painful to continue, or you become aware of something through a jolt or shock, to make a change. We are generally governed by all the values we learned and assimilated from the past, and basically have to unlearn anything which we might have embraced from the past to be untrue. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Claims of the possibility levitation are dismissed outright NOW by > > scientifically-minded people because there isn't ANY public > > evidence for it at present, only hearsay. Hypnotic suggestion is > > a possible explanation for such reports exist just because > > controlled tests are not presently possible. But don't tell me > > that if you had a yogic flyer levitate, wired up with scientific > > probes to pinpoint his position, movement, weight changes etc plus > > video cameras providing 100% OBJECTIVE evidence along with the > > testimony of witnesses and that such experiments are repeated > > successfully to the exclusion of alternative explanations, that > > STILL this would make no more than 10% of people believe the > > evidence. THAT seems naive to me.. > > I have to suggest that you get out into the real world > more. :-) I can assure you that if the experiments you > suggest were done exactly as you suggest that the majority > of the world's scientists would assume that they were faked > and disregard them, and that an even higher percentage of > the population would do likewise. > > You really don't seem to understand intellectual inertia > very well. People will do ANYTHING to continue believing > what they already believe. They will do ANYTHING to avoid > believing that which challenges what they already believe. > Just look at this forum. If you produced "scientific proof" > of Maharishi boinking a bunch of women, with video of him > whipping out his dick and leaping on them, the whole bunch > of them wired up to equipment that measured the quality > and duration of their orgasms, you *know* that a certain > percentage of people here and elsewhere in the TM movement > would declare it all a fake. > > The issue is CHANGE. Very, very few people in this world > actually want to change. They talk and talk and talk about > how they want to change, but all they do is talk, because > that keeps the change from happening. > > And I don't think I'm being cynical here, merely realistic. > > Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Recieved a Check yet ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > As part of the 'recert and teach fulltime plan', has any in > the US > > > > (or > > > > > anywhere for that matter) recieved a check yet? > > > > > > > > > > JohnY > > > > > > > > Did I read here on this forum or elsewhere that the TMO will > start to > > > > charge for checking? > > > > > > > > If yes, what about the "contract" declared when I started TM > that > > > > checking is available free for my lifetime? > > > > > > Checking has been a pay-as-you-go thing in the UK for 25+ years. > It was > > > only in the USA, IIRC, that checking was still free. Voted on by > the TM > > > teachers willing to bother to vote on such things. > > > > Well that's news to me and I've never heard of TM teachers voting on > > anything ever > > > > JohnY > > Question, do you live in the UK? I lived there for 5 years. My first > advanced technique was taught to me by vincent Snell at a residence > course at Baddihgham Academy(IIRC). My source for the checking fee > info was the UK TM teacher who arranged my trip to Baddingham. Asking me or Shemp? I'm not in the UK. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 6/12/05 3:55 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > In my more optimistic moments the fact that I > > > don't know anything about him gives me room to > > > fantasize that once he's in control, he may > > > take things in an entirely new direction. > > > > > > But other than that, I'm just watching. > > > > Well that was a nice rational post. I have yet to see why you > > have earned the reputation of stridently defending TM against > > any and all criticism. > > (http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/) > > A.m.t was my main online hangout for many years, and what I saw was > extreme frustration with Judy's extremely cutting intellect and > intense scrutiny of details. She doesn't suffer fools who lie or make > intellectually sloppy or superficial criticisms. Judy is Goddess > Durga on the battlefield of words and ideas. > > Alex Yup - describes it exactly. Words have meaning - use them properly. Judy is a clarifier of thought... :-) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO recertification? Aghoris just wanna have fun.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > In a message dated 6/12/05 7:42:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Quite a > > contrast from the whiners who get bent out of shape over a crucifix > > in urine or a painting of the Virgin Mary smeared with elephant > dung. > > > > > > > > Or a stupid Koran thrown in a toilet! > > > Torture as art... That's not torture ... its captives policy to twist the minds of the pc crowd. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 6/12/05 7:44 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> on 6/12/05 3:55 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >>> In my more optimistic moments the fact that I > >>> don't know anything about him gives me room to > >>> fantasize that once he's in control, he may > >>> take things in an entirely new direction. > >>> > >>> But other than that, I'm just watching. > >> > >> Well that was a nice rational post. I have yet to see why you have > > earned > >> the reputation of stridently defending TM against any and all > > criticism. > >> (http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/) > > > > Did you read what he said about me? Lawson English? > > No. What? http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/enlightenedHitler.htm Lawson English -- alt.meditation.transcendental's resident "Dormouse" -- seems to believe that Buford O. Furrow, Slobodan Milosevik, Sadam Hussein, Adolph Hitler and Satan are all "on the path to enlightenment." He explains why in this post: To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Prctices / Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Started out > > > > great, very clean, with such potential, and then got > > > > weirder than shit. When it got too weird for me, I split. > > > > > > > an analogy: it's like starting out from the point in the center > of a > > > circle. If you are just one degree off relative to your > destination > > it > > > makes little difference when the circle is small, but if applied > to a > > > large circle, like the circumference of the earth, a one degree > error > > > equates to hundreds of miles, so much so that you will never > reach > > > your destination. > > > > Course corrections not allowed. > > ??? You described a game of billiards. Trying to reach a destination usually involves being able to make course corrections, both big and small. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 6/12/05 7:23 PM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > A.m.t was my main online hangout for many years, and what I saw was > > extreme frustration with Judy's extremely cutting intellect and > > intense scrutiny of details. She doesn't suffer fools who lie or make > > intellectually sloppy or superficial criticisms. Judy is Goddess > > Durga on the battlefield of words and ideas. > > Well then let 'er rip, Judy. But be nice about it. Is that a variation of "the kindest cut?" To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO recertification? Aghoris just wanna have fun.
Premanand Paul Mason wrote: >>There was a tour show a few years back on PBS about Rishikesh where >> >> >the > > >>host spends some time traveling through the Himalayas outside of >>Rishikesh with an aghori. This aghori had a motorcycle equipped with >> >> >a > > >>cassette player and spoke fluent western English which made me >>suspicious that he might be a former Silicon Valley engineer who >> >> >decided > > >>to renounce the world and become an aghori. The comment by the host >>that sticks out in mind is "one doesn't know where to put their hands >>when riding on a motorcycle driven by a naked aghori." I would love >> >> >to > > >>find a tape or DVD of it. :) >> >>- Bhairitu >> >> > >'Shiva's Matted Locks' wasn't it? But he mixed up the stuff about MMY >Ravi Shankar and The Beatles. Otherwise it was a really entertaining >and gripping documentary. > > > Thanks, that was it: http://www.thomson.clara.net/p1.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rama Thang
I don't know that much about hypnosis but i was surprised and in intrigued by some of the things that one of the list participants used to talk about. (was that At_man? I forget who it was). And "whoever" appeared to make a connection of hynosis and NLP. I looked itnto that a bit, listen to some Richard Bandler tapes (he is quite a characer) and surmised there are some things of substance in NLP, probably a lot more than I had yet uncovered. Long story short, I am open to the possibility that there are some powerful individual and group methods to instill suggestions and shape behavior and perceptions in far deeper ways than is common knowledge. Therefore, while I am not making a case that Lenz used some advance form of group suggestion / manipulation, I am certainly open to that possibility at this sketchy point in my understanding of what he was about. Such would explain why some "saw" it and others didn't, and why the stars appeared to move, when they didn't. Personally, I am open to the possibility of levitation and other siddhis. I am not trying to protect some cherised / limited worldview by raising "simpler" expalnations of Lenz's "performances". For example, I tend to believe Yogananda's accounts of levitation. Regarding Jesus walking on water and all, its certainly a possibility, but I think there is 2000 years of heavy myth-making and politics in christianity that I tend to take most christian doctrine with a grain of salt -- and sometimes mirth. Generally, I think its within human capability to do sidhi-type things, but I am naturally skeptical about individual attainments and claims until demonstrated in a context where illusion and delusion can be ruled out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > People often pull out the "hypnotize" hypothesis without much of an understanding of hypnosis. They don't do it to understand anything, but to simply deny what the other person experienced. I don't place you in this category, Akasha, but there are plenty of others. I doubt very much, from his description of these encounters with Rama, that Unc was "hypnotized." > > akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > wrote: > > When someone experiences something that doesn't fit our concepts we > say, "well of course, you were hypnotized." And that of course > explains everything. > > Who does that? > > On the other hand when someone makes a very bold claim, most prudent > people reserve judgement as they inquire about simpler solutions to > the claim -- Ocham's Razor seeming to often hold true. > > Your post and some of Unc's earlier ones today appear to imply that if > one does not accept a bold claim at face value, then they are > deficient, can't reach out beyond their existing concepts and are > stuck within a worldview inertia. > > For example, regarding Lenz, given that: > - followers saw stars move, but clearly they did not > > - not all followers saw the sidhis -- which is odd, its kind of > hard to miss something that dramatic if it was happening "out there" > > - followers possible stared long periods at Lentz, or meditated > on him, prior to seeing sidhis > > - Lentz is alleged to have given som students hallucegens > > - Lentz was deceiptful in other realms > > it seems prudent to not immediately swallow hook line and sinker a > bold claim made by some "stranger" before examining other other > explanations for the "perceptions". > > Reseving judgement, in itself, has nothing to do with deficient > flexibility in conceptual matters. Indeed, guillibility, not lack of > conceptual flexibility, seems to be a strong trait inherent in many > TMO long-timers, to a higher degree than the general population, IMO. > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > - > Discover Yahoo! > Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 6/12/05 7:23 PM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > A.m.t was my main online hangout for many years, and what I saw was > > extreme frustration with Judy's extremely cutting intellect and > > intense scrutiny of details. She doesn't suffer fools who lie or make > > intellectually sloppy or superficial criticisms. Judy is Goddess > > Durga on the battlefield of words and ideas. > > Well then let 'er rip, Judy. But be nice about it. With thanks to Alex for his extravagant encomium and to you for your gracious encouragement, I think I really am going to mainly just lurk. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
on 6/12/05 7:48 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> on 6/12/05 4:16 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> But why would he *take* the job if he didn't want it, >>> unless he thought he could eventually do something >>> good with it, make a contribution? >> >> It's hard to say no to MMY. Also, MMY was buttering him up big time. > Nader >> was the only westerner living in his house. > > Westerner? Did you mean non-Hindu? Yes. Non-Indian. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
on 6/12/05 7:44 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> on 6/12/05 3:55 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> In my more optimistic moments the fact that I >>> don't know anything about him gives me room to >>> fantasize that once he's in control, he may >>> take things in an entirely new direction. >>> >>> But other than that, I'm just watching. >> >> Well that was a nice rational post. I have yet to see why you have > earned >> the reputation of stridently defending TM against any and all > criticism. >> (http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/) > > Did you read what he said about me? Lawson English? No. What? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
on 6/12/05 7:23 PM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > A.m.t was my main online hangout for many years, and what I saw was > extreme frustration with Judy's extremely cutting intellect and > intense scrutiny of details. She doesn't suffer fools who lie or make > intellectually sloppy or superficial criticisms. Judy is Goddess > Durga on the battlefield of words and ideas. Well then let 'er rip, Judy. But be nice about it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Rama Thang
And yet quite possibly he was "mesmerized" in the original sense of the word. - Original Message - From: Peter Sutphen To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Rama Thang People often pull out the "hypnotize" hypothesis without much of an understanding of hypnosis. They don't do it to understand anything, but to simply deny what the other person experienced. I don't place you in this category, Akasha, but there are plenty of others. I doubt very much, from his description of these encounters with Rama, that Unc was "hypnotized." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Rama Thang
People often pull out the "hypnotize" hypothesis without much of an understanding of hypnosis. They don't do it to understand anything, but to simply deny what the other person experienced. I don't place you in this category, Akasha, but there are plenty of others. I doubt very much, from his description of these encounters with Rama, that Unc was "hypnotized." akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> When someone experiences something that doesn't fit our concepts wesay, "well of course, you were hypnotized." And that of courseexplains everything.Who does that?On the other hand when someone makes a very bold claim, most prudentpeople reserve judgement as they inquire about simpler solutions tothe claim -- Ocham's Razor seeming to often hold true. Your post and some of Unc's earlier ones today appear to imply that ifone does not accept a bold claim at face value, then they aredeficient, can't reach out beyond their existing concepts and arestuck within a worldview inertia.For example, regarding Lenz, given that: - followers saw stars move, but clearly they did not- not all followers saw the sidhis -- which is odd, its kind ofhard to miss something that dramatic if it was happening "out there"- followers possible stared long periods at Lentz, or meditatedon him, prior to seeing sidhis- Lentz is alleged to have given som students hallucegens- Lentz was deceiptful in other realmsit seems prudent to not immediately swallow hook line and sinker abold claim made by some "stranger" before examining other otherexplanations for the "perceptions". Reseving judgement, in itself, has nothing to do with deficientflexibility in conceptual matters. Indeed, guillibility, not lack ofconceptual flexibility, seems to be a strong trait inherent in manyTMO long-timers, to a higher degree than the general population, IMO. To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Underside of the Scientology Organization
> On Jun 12, 2005, at 6:20 PM, akasha_108 wrote: > What has been your experience with the organizational part of Scientology? > > Do you give any credence to the persistent claims about the > > organization? Scientology is very organized. Hubbard developed Management technology to more efficiently run the organization. Some big companies use this technology to run their businesses (some do not consider themselves Scientologists but use it because they feel it works). I have worked for over 5 years at the center in Austin. The staff is very hard working, dedicated - wanting to help people and the world. Mr. Miscavige is the top guy. Although I've never met him personally, I've seen plenty of video briefings by him and rarely have I ever seen anyone more dedicated and "real". As far as "not being allowed to leave" I can relate my own experience. I was doing a course at the Church in my early days (1990). In these courses you digest information and are then expected to use it by doing a "practical" to see for yourself if it works. I got to the end of this course and I saw where I was supposed to "represent yourself as a Volunteer Minister of the Church of Scientology" and do an "assit" to help someone else. The assist was cool. But "represent myself as a Volunteer Minister of the Church?" No, I wasn't ready for that. I told my course supervisor (they don't instruct but guide you through any difficulty you have) that I couldn't do what it said to do. She made sure I understood why I was being asked to do it. I said yes, but I still considered myself part of the TM Group and not a Volunteer Minister of the Scientology Church. So she says "Well, then I'm going to have to send you to ethics". Uh oh. Now I start getting pictures. I, like most everyone else on this forum, had heard weird things about Scientology. I "see" the basement, bright lights, myself tied to a chair, etc. But, I gulp and go to "ethics". The "Ethics Officer" asks me what's going on. I tell him. He says it sounds like you're in doubt with regard to TM vis a vis Scientology. I considered this and said yeah I guess to some degree I am. So he broke out an Ethics book. He opens it up to a Condition of Doubt. It gave a 8 step formula. one of the steps was (is): "Evaluate one's own or one's group, project or organization's statistics." Well, I knew all the TM "stats". I asked to see Scientology's "stats". They didn't have the same type of "research" I knew from TM, so I did all the steps and chose TM. Uh oh. Lots more gulps. I show my "formula" to the guy. I'm waiting for him to freak on me but he doesn't. Asks me some questions to insure I did it correctly and honestly and says "So, I guess you choose TM" Well, yeah I say, but do so sheepishly. "So now what" I ask. "Well, to complete the course (which I still wanted to do) you need to do what it says. It's up to you." And I walk out of his office, still half expecting someone to grab me. But no one is even around as I walked out of the building. I get outside and look at the Univ. of TX (across the street) and then back at the Scientology building. I realized there was something there I wanted. The next day or so, I realized I could go to one of my buddies and represent myself as a Sci Vol Min. and do the exercise. I didn't have to take out a billboard on the Interstate. No one called me or cajoled me. I worked it out myself. And that's how Scientology works and why it's so dear to me: It provides the means for me to figure it out myself. As far as the "persistent claims" the fact that they do persist and yet Scientology continues to expand must mean something. Scientology stands up to many "vested interests". Psychiatry (ECT, psychotropics,etc) and the drug companies. We fight for the religiuos freedom of all religions (Unc recently posted about the non tolerance in France). Europe ain't the US of A when it comes to religious tolerance. If you stand up against something and challenge the "game" of the powers that be, they're going to do everything to discredit and smear you. Took 30 years to gain religious recognition in the USA. It takes a tough, dedicated organization to beat the IRS. And when you don't back down, you piss people off - and they're usually the ones wielding the power. >> Vaj wrote > Jeff, I would be curious what you could tell us of the levels beyond > "clear"--the "Thetan" levels--and the Thetans themselves? Per Scientology, everyone is a thetan. Thetan is our word for you as a spirit. "Thetan: the person himself-not his body or his name, the physical universe, his mind or anything else-it is that which is aware of being aware: the identity which is the individual." The levels past "Clear" are called OT (Operating Thetan) levels. One is regaining his natural abilities as he progresses up the OT levels, returning to "native state". Regaining your abi
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Prctices / Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Started out > > > great, very clean, with such potential, and then got > > > weirder than shit. When it got too weird for me, I split. > > > > > an analogy: it's like starting out from the point in the center of a > > circle. If you are just one degree off relative to your destination > it > > makes little difference when the circle is small, but if applied to a > > large circle, like the circumference of the earth, a one degree error > > equates to hundreds of miles, so much so that you will never reach > > your destination. > > Course corrections not allowed. ??? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
It's like that stupid flower analogy. Doesn't he ever have anything new to say? - -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yada, yada, yada...deja vu all over again. > > purushaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:--- > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ron F wrote: > Note: forwarded message attached. > > Lifespan > > Global Press Conference, 8.6.05 > > MAHARISHI: ...We can make a sentence: the range of life is on the > desire > of the liver. Any living man can desire his span of life. Because > infinity > is completely open to his finite value of life - (through) desiring > he can > increase. Desiring he can increase. It is open to his awareness. > [...] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Prctices / Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Started out > > great, very clean, with such potential, and then got > > weirder than shit. When it got too weird for me, I split. > > > an analogy: it's like starting out from the point in the center of a > circle. If you are just one degree off relative to your destination it > makes little difference when the circle is small, but if applied to a > large circle, like the circumference of the earth, a one degree error > equates to hundreds of miles, so much so that you will never reach > your destination. Course corrections not allowed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 6/12/05 4:16 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > But why would he *take* the job if he didn't want it, > > unless he thought he could eventually do something > > good with it, make a contribution? > > It's hard to say no to MMY. Also, MMY was buttering him up big time. Nader > was the only westerner living in his house. Westerner? Did you mean non-Hindu? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO is a spiritual Enron - was A question for Brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ingegerd wrote: > > > I checked it up in Norway. TMO has no Trademark on Transcendental > > Meditation - and will not have it in the Future, because > > Transcendental is a description of a state of consciousness and is > > universal. I do not know about other countries, maybe it would be > > wise to check out. The more people using Transcendental Meditation in > > their marketing outside the TMO, the more difficult it will be to get > > it as Trademark > > Ingegerd > > > > And in short time, as it becomes a generic term, no one will know what > version of transcendental meditation they are getting. The loss of > Knowledge it seems is truly inevitable. > > Which is one reason to fight against Ingegerd's agenda. But of course, Ingegerd, in his/her infinite wisdom, knows better. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --snip-- > > > > > > Aside from the fact that he's willing to wear > > > the silly crown and robes, Nader's pretty much > > > an unknown quantity, to me, at least. I haven't > > > heard anybody say much about him, what he's like > > > as a person (which is kind of surprising given > > > that he's going to be taking over fairly soon). > > > > > > In my more optimistic moments the fact that I > > > don't know anything about him gives me room to > > > fantasize that once he's in control, he may > > > take things in an entirely new direction. > > > > > > But other than that, I'm just watching. > > > > Like everyone else, I am just watching too. I was on TTC > > with Nader and have known him since then (about 1982, I think) > > although I have not talked to him since he became King Tony. > > He once said that he got where he is in the TMO by always > > doing *exactly* what MMY asked - not a good sign for taking > > things in a new direction. > > Unless the fact that MMY won't be around to tell > him what to do changes the equation... > > > Also, fwiw, I > > have never been convinced that he wants this job, and in fact I > > think he is quite troubled by it - nothing to go on though, just > > my wonderful intuition:) > > That's interesting. I remember thinking the > same thing at one point, but now I can't recall > why. > > But why would he *take* the job if he didn't want it, > unless he thought he could eventually do something > good with it, make a contribution? Why did the YOgic Flyers at the international competition bounce around on their buns in front of TV cameras? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 6/12/05 3:55 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > In my more optimistic moments the fact that I > > > don't know anything about him gives me room to > > > fantasize that once he's in control, he may > > > take things in an entirely new direction. > > > > > > But other than that, I'm just watching. > > > > Well that was a nice rational post. I have yet to see why you have > earned > > the reputation of stridently defending TM against any and all criticism. > > (http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/) > > I agree with Judy, except I think that Maharishi's family (nephews?) > will have control. Look at the Indian TM websites that are in English. > I like Judy's posts. > MMY's nephews appear to have at least some control but I've never seen it as anything more than traditional Hindu nepotism. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --snip-- > > > > Aside from the fact that he's willing to wear > > the silly crown and robes, Nader's pretty much > > an unknown quantity, to me, at least. I haven't > > heard anybody say much about him, what he's like > > as a person (which is kind of surprising given > > that he's going to be taking over fairly soon). > > > > In my more optimistic moments the fact that I > > don't know anything about him gives me room to > > fantasize that once he's in control, he may > > take things in an entirely new direction. > > > > But other than that, I'm just watching. > > Like everyone else, I am just watching too. I was on TTC with Nader > and have known him since then (about 1982, I think) although I have > not talked to him since he became King Tony. He once said that he > got where he is in the TMO by always doing *exactly* what MMY asked - > not a good sign for taking things in a new direction. Also, fwiw, I > have never been convinced that he wants this job, and in fact I think > he is quite troubled by it - nothing to go on though, just my > wonderful intuition:) My impression of his pictures with his crownis that he is just being a "good sport" about it all. Which, of course, is what I think the point of the whole exercise is. Chopra would never have dressed up that way. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rama Thang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [...] > > > If some people find inspiration in my stories, cool. > > > If all they find in them is a way to convince them- > > > selves that it's all bullshit and that they already > > > know everything that is worth knowing, cool. I have > > > been of service in either case. :-) > > > > > > Unc Those are our only choices? Classic strawman argument / fallacy. In this instance, it sort of like conversing with a 2-d character in a 3-d world. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 6/12/05 3:55 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In my more optimistic moments the fact that I > > don't know anything about him gives me room to > > fantasize that once he's in control, he may > > take things in an entirely new direction. > > > > But other than that, I'm just watching. > > Well that was a nice rational post. I have yet to see why you have earned > the reputation of stridently defending TM against any and all criticism. > (http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/) Did you read what he said about me? Lawson English? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rama Thang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [...] > > If some people find inspiration in my stories, cool. > > If all they find in them is a way to convince them- > > selves that it's all bullshit and that they already > > know everything that is worth knowing, cool. I have > > been of service in either case. :-) > > > > Unc > > Thats right! It's just like the Maharishi bashing that some seem to > thrive on to convince themselves that it is all bullshit. > Some? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rama Thang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When someone experiences something that doesn't fit our concepts we say, "well of course, you were hypnotized." And that of course explains everything. Who does that? On the other hand when someone makes a very bold claim, most prudent people reserve judgement as they inquire about simpler solutions to the claim -- Ocham's Razor seeming to often hold true. Your post and some of Unc's earlier ones today appear to imply that if one does not accept a bold claim at face value, then they are deficient, can't reach out beyond their existing concepts and are stuck within a worldview inertia. For example, regarding Lenz, given that: - followers saw stars move, but clearly they did not - not all followers saw the sidhis -- which is odd, its kind of hard to miss something that dramatic if it was happening "out there" - followers possible stared long periods at Lentz, or meditated on him, prior to seeing sidhis - Lentz is alleged to have given som students hallucegens - Lentz was deceiptful in other realms it seems prudent to not immediately swallow hook line and sinker a bold claim made by some "stranger" before examining other other explanations for the "perceptions". Reseving judgement, in itself, has nothing to do with deficient flexibility in conceptual matters. Indeed, guillibility, not lack of conceptual flexibility, seems to be a strong trait inherent in many TMO long-timers, to a higher degree than the general population, IMO. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jun 12, 2005, at 10:15 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > In other words, you are choosing to believe what you > > choose to believe. > > No, what I was referring to is the energetic component. If you go down > to the subtle level you can recognize the energetic patterns > manifesting from the shakti. A pattern is unique to each siddhi. There > is always a pattern of manifestation for a siddhi, if you learn to > recognize it. We used to have contests with other sidhas where we would > guess the sutra the person was doing. The "trick" was just matter of > having had the recognition, then you can recognize it in others. It's > an easy thing to do. Was this with TM-Sidhis? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Personality types
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Nice theory, but I think it was because Maharishi wanted to play > > > puppeteer, and only wanted puppets under him. > > > > > > --Not merely puppeteer, but big fish. > > > > And in a pond he has intentionally kept small, despite > > claims that he wants the opposite. > > > > Unc > > Yup, the disconnect was too much for for me, when I saw that he could > have created a large group of people doing siddhi's (and later > yagya's) and didn't do it. He just kept fund raising for it. > Why didn't Steve Jobs ever invest that $6 Billion that Apple has banked? He had plenty of projects he attempted that failed, but that $6 billion never got spent. Why? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
Yada, yada, yada...deja vu all over again.purushaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ron F <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Note: forwarded message attached.LifespanGlobal Press Conference, 8.6.05MAHARISHI: ...We can make a sentence: the range of life is on the desireof the liver. Any living man can desire his span of life. Because infinityis completely open to his finite value of life - (through) desiring he canincrease. Desiring he can increase. It is open to his awareness.And now the structure of the Government of the Global Country of World Peacewill educate the whole population of the world...In every field the educational institutions will be available to remind theliving man at any level of invincibility, small level of invincibility orbigger and bigger level of invincibility. These institution of the GlobalCountry of World Peace, all these eight ministries and all that which havebeen inaugurating today, they will be the lighthouse to guide the man, puthim in the light and let him desire how long he wants to live. Let himdesire how long he wants tro live...__ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/LifespanGlobal Press Conference, 8.6.05MAHARISHI: ...We can make a sentence: the range of life is on the desireof the liver. Any living man can desire his span of life. Because infinityis completely open to his finite value of life - (through) desiring he canincrease. Desiring he can increase. It is open to his awareness.And now the structure of the Government of the Global Country of World Peacewill educate the whole population of the world...In every field the educational institutions will be available to remind theliving man at any level of invincibility, small level of invincibility orbigger and bigger level of invincibility. These institution of the GlobalCountry of World Peace, all these eight ministries and all that which havebeen inaugurating today, they will be the lighthouse to guide the man, puthim in the light and let him desire how long he wants to live. Let himdesire how long he wants tro live...To post a message to the list "UK Forum" send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]For instructions on joining, leaving, or otherwise using the UK Forum list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with HELP in the SUBJECT line. A service of Sustainable Sources, http://www.greenbuilder.com .--- End forwarded message -- End forwarded message ---To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it out! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Recieved a Check yet ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > As part of the 'recert and teach fulltime plan', has any in the US > > > (or > > > > anywhere for that matter) recieved a check yet? > > > > > > > > JohnY > > > > > > Did I read here on this forum or elsewhere that the TMO will start to > > > charge for checking? > > > > > > If yes, what about the "contract" declared when I started TM that > > > checking is available free for my lifetime? > > > > Checking has been a pay-as-you-go thing in the UK for 25+ years. It was > > only in the USA, IIRC, that checking was still free. Voted on by the TM > > teachers willing to bother to vote on such things. > > Well that's news to me and I've never heard of TM teachers voting on > anything ever > > JohnY Question, do you live in the UK? I lived there for 5 years. My first advanced technique was taught to me by vincent Snell at a residence course at Baddihgham Academy(IIRC). My source for the checking fee info was the UK TM teacher who arranged my trip to Baddingham. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Personality types
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Nice theory, but I think it was because Maharishi wanted to play > > puppeteer, and only wanted puppets under him. > > > > --Not merely puppeteer, but big fish. > > And in a pond he has intentionally kept small, despite > claims that he wants the opposite. > > Unc His pond is small, and his status tiny, which is why Larry King interviewed him recently, calling him one of the world's greatest spiritual leaders. It's also why, 40 years after their last public meeting, various members of the Beatles still pass greetings along to him via Mr. King. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "easyone200" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > snip > > >This guy I am sure of. Do you defend all gurus just because they say > something. Are any > > destructive in your book? You come up with plenty of excuses for > abhorrent behavior. > > What I am saying is that as you progress on the spiritual path every > flaw you have is going to be exposed. It takes alot of courage IMO to > face them, deal with them and attempt to bring them into balance. > Hopefully one's teacher is not malevolent. I am sure some are. I > would not make any excuse for that, obviously. But even assuming you > have a *good* teacher*, you still keep your eyes wide open and proceed > accordingly. Pretty much boiler plate. > > lurk Perhaps you should balance your opinions of "gurus" and not attack those that have legitimate issues with "gurus" behavior. Your slant is very apparent. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 6/12/05 3:55 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In my more optimistic moments the fact that I > > don't know anything about him gives me room to > > fantasize that once he's in control, he may > > take things in an entirely new direction. > > > > But other than that, I'm just watching. > > Well that was a nice rational post. I have yet to see why you > have earned the reputation of stridently defending TM against > any and all criticism. > (http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/) A.m.t was my main online hangout for many years, and what I saw was extreme frustration with Judy's extremely cutting intellect and intense scrutiny of details. She doesn't suffer fools who lie or make intellectually sloppy or superficial criticisms. Judy is Goddess Durga on the battlefield of words and ideas. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ron F <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Note: forwarded message attached. Lifespan Global Press Conference, 8.6.05 MAHARISHI: ...We can make a sentence: the range of life is on the desire of the liver. Any living man can desire his span of life. Because infinity is completely open to his finite value of life - (through) desiring he can increase. Desiring he can increase. It is open to his awareness. And now the structure of the Government of the Global Country of World Peace will educate the whole population of the world... In every field the educational institutions will be available to remind the living man at any level of invincibility, small level of invincibility or bigger and bigger level of invincibility. These institution of the Global Country of World Peace, all these eight ministries and all that which have been inaugurating today, they will be the lighthouse to guide the man, put him in the light and let him desire how long he wants to live. Let him desire how long he wants tro live... __ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ Lifespan Global Press Conference, 8.6.05 MAHARISHI: ...We can make a sentence: the range of life is on the desire of the liver. Any living man can desire his span of life. Because infinity is completely open to his finite value of life - (through) desiring he can increase. Desiring he can increase. It is open to his awareness. And now the structure of the Government of the Global Country of World Peace will educate the whole population of the world... In every field the educational institutions will be available to remind the living man at any level of invincibility, small level of invincibility or bigger and bigger level of invincibility. These institution of the Global Country of World Peace, all these eight ministries and all that which have been inaugurating today, they will be the lighthouse to guide the man, put him in the light and let him desire how long he wants to live. Let him desire how long he wants tro live... To post a message to the list "UK Forum" send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For instructions on joining, leaving, or otherwise using the UK Forum list, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with HELP in the SUBJECT line. A service of Sustainable Sources, http://www.greenbuilder.com . --- End forwarded message --- --- End forwarded message --- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO recertification? Aghoris just wanna have fun.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 6/12/05 7:42:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Quite a > contrast from the whiners who get bent out of shape over a crucifix > in urine or a painting of the Virgin Mary smeared with elephant dung. > > > > Or a stupid Koran thrown in a toilet! Torture as art... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Personality types
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nice theory, but I think it was because Maharishi wanted to play > puppeteer, and only wanted puppets under him. > > > --Not merely puppeteer, but big fish. MMY's standing in the world is such that 30 years after the heyday of the TM organization, Larry King interviews him for his entire show, calling him one of the world's greatest spiritual teachers. Yeah, he needs the constant ego-boost of manipulating his people because otherwise no-one would ever recognize him... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Personality types
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > MMY blames us for the results of our deplorable lack of > > > coherence. If he is unhappy with our performance in the > > > Marathon, then he should ask himself why he broke our legs. > > > Uns. > > > > > > > Where does MMY say he blames "us for our deplorable lack > > of coherence?" > > By deduction: He blames us for the Iraq War and Tony Blair's > re-election. He has always said that a country gets the > government it deserves - a reflection of its consciousness. > Our lack of coherence is the cause of these two events. > Uns. And, by extension, his inability to convince people is ALSO to blame. Why are you so interested in painting MMY in a bad light based on nothing factual at all? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Personality types
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a question for sparaig. > I have been reading your comments with great interest. What > positions have you had in the TMO at National and International > levels? Just curious. > Ingegerd > None. Just dealt with various people over the years in various ways. Worked with both of Deepak Chopra's publicists. I'm the guy that came up with the "buy a book by Deepak and resell it to your friends" campaign. Also was the perennial Public Access TV advocate. I was seldom taken that seriously, but I was well-enough known with certain people to be aware of stuff at various levels. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > on 6/12/05 12:44 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Charlie Lutes always wanted to hire professional people as > well > > and > > > > > did for several early projects. He used to make that point in > > his > > > > > lectures. > > > > > > > > Did it help? M sometimes solicited the advice of professionals > but > > > seldom > > > > followed it. I often heard him put down "experts" and say > > that "we" knew > > > > better than they how to do things. > > > > > > I remember him taking about a movie that was professionally > produced > > > and something about hiring an office manager for some of the SRM > > > centers, but I'd have to talk to some other folks to get the story > > > straight. > > > > > > JohnY > > > > At one point, MMY had what he called the Sidhis Parlement that was > to > > have the local TMers and Citizen Sidhas run the day-to-day affairs > of > > TM centers while the TM teachers simply taught TM. Many individual > TM > > teachers were so angry at the idea that they would lose their > > spiritual power base that they sabatoged the idea at every turn. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Recieved a Check yet ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > are you disputing the fact that MMY said that enlightenment has > to go slow or do you simply not understand what he said? Are those the only two choices I get? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Rama Thang
"Hypnotize" now there's a really clear concept! When someone experiences something that doesn't fit our concepts we say, "well of course, you were hypnotized." And that of course explains everything.TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Did I have sex with her?> > No, but she hypnotized you to think you did.I remember that from high school: "Let's not, and say we did." :-)To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "easyone200" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip >This guy I am sure of. Do you defend all gurus just because they say something. Are any > destructive in your book? You come up with plenty of excuses for abhorrent behavior. What I am saying is that as you progress on the spiritual path every flaw you have is going to be exposed. It takes alot of courage IMO to face them, deal with them and attempt to bring them into balance. Hopefully one's teacher is not malevolent. I am sure some are. I would not make any excuse for that, obviously. But even assuming you have a *good* teacher*, you still keep your eyes wide open and proceed accordingly. Pretty much boiler plate. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantrik techniques?
You'll have to ask someone who practices Tibetan Tantra. :) These are "Hindu" tantra techniques. However many tantriks hold that you should not mess with destiny (I guess the bigger picture) and use them to repel invaders (though it wouldn't surprise if a few invaders were probably offed by these techniques). How well they work depends on how much they've been practiced. coshlnx wrote: >-How well did these Tantrik techniques work against the Chinese >Commie rats invading Tibet? > >-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Maran means "kill" and it can be used to kill someone though that >> >> >is > > >>considered bad in the tantric tradition unless it is to save >> >> >someone's > > >>life such as a child from the attack of a tiger (or a mountain >> >> >lion). > > >>Vashikaran is used to bring someone under your influence though it >> >> >can > > >>be used to help dispel relationship problems. >> >>Uchattan is used to distract the enemy. >> >>Stambhan is used to paralyze the enemy and shut up people who talk >> >> >in > > >>theaters during a movie. :) >> >>Videshan is used to create differences between people or groups of >> >> >people. > > >>Shanti Karan is used for healing. >> >>All of these practices are attained through mantra siddhi, use of >>yantras and the practice of rituals called tantras. The misuse of >>these are considered a "sin" or bad karma. Tantrics learn the >> >> >technique > > >>of maran not so much to use but as to help those who have been >> >> >afflicted > > >>by someone who misused the technique. >> >>Like most siddhis the practice increases Brahmin consciousness. >> >> >They > > >>are very powerful techniques and tantrics will only give you them >> >> >if you > > >>are humble and pass certain tests. They are not to be given >> >> >to "power > > >>trippers." :) >> >>A couple of good books on the subject are: >>"Practicals of Mantras and Tantras" by L.R. Chowdhri >>This book though not well written contains much information on the >>practice of tantra. >> >>"Yantra Mantra Tantra and Occult Sciences" by Dr. Bhojraj Dwivedi >>This is a recently published excellent book. >> >>The website of my tantric guru (a tantric samrat): >>www.realtantrasolutions.com >> >>However I must warn one cannot learn tantra from books or from the >>Internet. It requires the one on one instruction from a personal >> >> >guru. > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Even simpler than TM...and just using MMY's "one original mantra"!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Learn TM at home for $25 > The original Maharishi's meditation > (1958), single mantra for everybody > www.natural-stress-relief.com It is interesting that the site, as muddled a site as I have seen recently, does not have a TMO "look and feel", and they do not use the "TM as taught by MMY" formula. Any more news from Skelmersdale? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rama (Lentz): Desires and Enlightenment
IIRC, one of the things he had students do was meditate on him. I don't know a lot about hypnosis, but this could be linked to some sort of hypnotic method, couldn't it? Perhaps someone who is more knowledgeable on hypnosis could comment. I was also suspect about the recent claims on this list, if true, that he claimed to have been a reincarnated lama, reincarnating several times--as I know of no formal acknowledgment of this status from the tradition itself (which definitely looks for reincarnations). There may even be a formal denial out there somewhere (e.g. from the Dalai Lama or some other figure). On Jun 12, 2005, at 12:55 AM, Rick Archer wrote: > I was wondering why the guy didn't go public with the sidhis displays. > Could > have made a big impact worldwide. But then, in light of Unc's > experience of > him rearranging the stars, which he obviously couldn't have done, it > seems > he had the ability to make people around him see things. So what if he > was > just making them see him levitate, go invisible, etc., and wasn't > actually > doing those things? Was he ever videotaped doing those things? Can't > cause a > camera to hallucinate. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "easyone200" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > snip > > I knew a few friends who got involved with this > > psychopath and they came to bad destructive ends. Freddy was not the > only suicide. > > It is too bad that the spirtual path does not come with flashing > CAUTION signs because at every step of the way you can find yourself > in some kind of free fall or another. I'm not sure I would lay this > at the feet of the teacher. > > lurk This guy I am sure of. Do you defend all gurus just because they say something. Are any destructive in your book? You come up with plenty of excuses for abhorrent behavior. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Recieved a Check yet ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Probably "lifetime" only referred to kaliyuga, and since we > have > > > > > now entered satyuga the previous contract is void. > > > > > > > > That's hilarious, lurk. That's the kinda answer that > > > > would be given seriously on a.m.t. :-) > > > > > > Um, no, it isn't. That's a deliberate > > > misrepresentation. > > > > Hey! I thought you were going to go back to lurking. > > I'll butt in when anyone here says things > that are blatantly not true about alt.m.t > or its participants (if one of the other > alt.m.t-ers here doesn't beat me to it). > > But don't you > > think lurk's post was funny? It' very clever really. > > Yeah, sorta. Doesn't bowl me over. Not > as funny as Brigante's thesis that MMY is > deliberately holding things back so as not > to cause sattva-shock. (He's said that on > alt.m.t, but he's said it here too, so...) ** MMY has clearly enunciated the principle that the unfoldment of enlightenment in this materialistic age must proceed slowly, because the increase of the light of awareness can create havoc in material life, causing the ignorant to be more destructive: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html#light The quote about the need to gradually unfold enlightenment values in order to avoid creating "fear and havoc" in a materialistic world is from a pamphlet MMY authored in the 60s, "The Divine Plan." When the Beatles publicity rush hit, Bantam book took this pamphlet and two others and published them as "Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi," which is available through used/rare book dealers like alibris.com -- are you disputing the fact that MMY said that enlightenment has to go slow or do you simply not understand what he said? I'm not making anything up here. If you don't understand, well then you don't understand, but it's an easy to understand policy that MMY has said is the Divine Plan for restoring Vedic culture -- it's necessary that the progress of the TMO must proceed by fits and starts, however ridiculous that may look from the perspective of ordinary human reason (that's why MMY labeled the pamphlet "The DIVINE Plan." Bob To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantrik techniques?
-How well did these Tantrik techniques work against the Chinese Commie rats invading Tibet? -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maran means "kill" and it can be used to kill someone though that is > considered bad in the tantric tradition unless it is to save someone's > life such as a child from the attack of a tiger (or a mountain lion). > > Vashikaran is used to bring someone under your influence though it can > be used to help dispel relationship problems. > > Uchattan is used to distract the enemy. > > Stambhan is used to paralyze the enemy and shut up people who talk in > theaters during a movie. :) > > Videshan is used to create differences between people or groups of people. > > Shanti Karan is used for healing. > > All of these practices are attained through mantra siddhi, use of > yantras and the practice of rituals called tantras. The misuse of > these are considered a "sin" or bad karma. Tantrics learn the technique > of maran not so much to use but as to help those who have been afflicted > by someone who misused the technique. > > Like most siddhis the practice increases Brahmin consciousness. They > are very powerful techniques and tantrics will only give you them if you > are humble and pass certain tests. They are not to be given to "power > trippers." :) > > A couple of good books on the subject are: > "Practicals of Mantras and Tantras" by L.R. Chowdhri > This book though not well written contains much information on the > practice of tantra. > > "Yantra Mantra Tantra and Occult Sciences" by Dr. Bhojraj Dwivedi > This is a recently published excellent book. > > The website of my tantric guru (a tantric samrat): > www.realtantrasolutions.com > > However I must warn one cannot learn tantra from books or from the > Internet. It requires the one on one instruction from a personal guru. > > Jai Ma, > Bhairitu > Sidh Tantric > > cardemaister wrote: > > >I wonder what is the purpose of those Tantrik > >techniques? In "Pidgin-sanskrit" they seem to > >be something like "maran", "vashikaran","uchattan", > >and stuff. To me they seem like they were meant > >for control freaks. Sorry about that, Chief! > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
But why would he *take* the job if he didn't want it,unless he thought he could eventually do somethinggood with it, make a contribution?---Like sway the UN, then strike a peace accord in the Mid East. Get struck a blow to the head where he loses an eyeyou guess the rest. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment on 6/12/05 8:11 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --That's right. So fuck off. Go worship your suicidal loser. See where it gets you. Hey Kirk, youre a Buddhist. What about all the Buddhist monks who immolated themselves to protest this or that? Were they suicidal losers? -Need I point out the obvious diifference? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Prctices / Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > The stories I always read about Lenz reported on Lenz's very > > aggressive seduction of streams of female students as well as very > > aggreesive, outlandish and possibly corrupt business practices. > > > > What were your observations of such, or the contrary? > > I sincerely doubt he had to be that agressive; the women > were throwing themselves at him; they all wanted a ride > on his enlightened kundalini stick. But yeah, as Ingegerd > was saying, there was a clear power differential between > teacher and student, and many could see that as consti- > tuting abuse in itself. I do know that many of the women > later regretted their liaisons with him and left. > > Towards the end, I don't think there is any question that > he intentionally ripped people off, financially. He > seemed to have had little to no respect for his students, > a very different feeling than in the beginning. I know > one guy who sold his entire company to get *out* of the > business arrangement with Rama; he didn't want to sell, > but wanted out of any business dealings with him. At > that time, I began to suspect drug use, long before I > knew about the Valium addiction. > > That's why the whole thing is such a koan. Started out > great, very clean, with such potential, and then got > weirder than shit. When it got too weird for me, I split. > > Unc Yes, I am sure he had many willing sexual participants. However, it appears he also aggressively pursued women, the following article cites courts cases and complaints about seductions. http://www.xenu.org/factnet/LENZ/FILES/SEX.TXT Some articles on Lenz that I read today quote a Lenz publicist "Lisa Lewinson". Was that the former TMO LL? One article claims Lenz gave women LSD and did wierd mind trips on them. Was this a regular practice? While I know this is a stretch, but do you see any possibility that the group observations of his "sidhis" involved some group spiking of the punch with hallucegens? Also an article, and a poster, mentioned that the sidhis would appear to followers after he would have them star at him for long periods. I know from experience that if you star long enough at something, strange visuals can occur. Did staring or other practices preceed your observation of the sidhis? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Prctices / Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Started out > great, very clean, with such potential, and then got > weirder than shit. When it got too weird for me, I split. > an analogy: it's like starting out from the point in the center of a circle. If you are just one degree off relative to your destination it makes little difference when the circle is small, but if applied to a large circle, like the circumference of the earth, a one degree error equates to hundreds of miles, so much so that you will never reach your destination. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Underside of the Scientology Organization
On Jun 12, 2005, at 6:20 PM, akasha_108 wrote: > For years, I have read repeated stories of a rather black underbelly > to Scientology: enemies lists, severe actions against those who leave > Scientology, etc. Someone posted a link a while back and I extracted > several excerpts which give a flavor of some of these practices. What > has been your experience with the organizational part of Scientology? > Do you give any credence to the persistent claims about the > organization? Jeff, I would be curious what you could tell us of the levels beyond "clear"--the "Thetan" levels--and the Thetans themselves? TIA, Vaj To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Prctices / Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The stories I always read about Lenz reported on Lenz's very > aggressive seduction of streams of female students as well as very > aggreesive, outlandish and possibly corrupt business practices. > > What were your observations of such, or the contrary? I sincerely doubt he had to be that agressive; the women were throwing themselves at him; they all wanted a ride on his enlightened kundalini stick. But yeah, as Ingegerd was saying, there was a clear power differential between teacher and student, and many could see that as consti- tuting abuse in itself. I do know that many of the women later regretted their liaisons with him and left. Towards the end, I don't think there is any question that he intentionally ripped people off, financially. He seemed to have had little to no respect for his students, a very different feeling than in the beginning. I know one guy who sold his entire company to get *out* of the business arrangement with Rama; he didn't want to sell, but wanted out of any business dealings with him. At that time, I began to suspect drug use, long before I knew about the Valium addiction. That's why the whole thing is such a koan. Started out great, very clean, with such potential, and then got weirder than shit. When it got too weird for me, I split. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Underside of the Scientology Organization
Jeff, For years, I have read repeated stories of a rather black underbelly to Scientology: enemies lists, severe actions against those who leave Scientology, etc. Someone posted a link a while back and I extracted several excerpts which give a flavor of some of these practices. What has been your experience with the organizational part of Scientology? Do you give any credence to the persistent claims about the organization? http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/celebrities_con.html?FACTNet Scientology's celebrities know in no uncertain terms that Scientology will turn against them if they cause problems. They know what happens to ex-members and critics. They know how their embarrassing confidential confessions will made public if they go against the group. They know they will be targets of character assassination exposing every part of their lives, from taxes to sex to drugs to family problems! Scientology spies on its celebrities, looking for signs of defection. The free full-time "support" staff Scientology provides to its biggest celebrities write secret reports for David Miscavige. They report any problems the celebrity is having, any antagonism to Scientology expressed by anyone close to the celebrity, and any doubts the celebrity has about Scientology. Reports were regularly sent to David Miscavige by cult spies accompanying Tom Cruise on the set of Days of Thunder. Miscavige is a fanatic regarding security and loyalty. Believing several of Scientology's ministers might be disloyal, he ordered their private homes to be bugged. Operatives listened in on everything that went on in the homes, even the intimate moments between the ministers and their spouses. Anti-Christian beliefs of Scientology are found, among other places, in secret documents called OT VIII. According to Jesse Prince , the original OT VIII is part of the most secret Scientology initiation in which the initiate is told that Hubbard was the anti-Christ and that the Jesus was not a holy person, but rather a pedophile. Few people got through OT VIII before Scientology withdrew and modified it. It had caused so many problems with those who read it that it was deemed too dangerous. One long time member who passed all security clearances to reach OT VIII, freaked out on OT VIII and quit Scientology on the spot! Jesse Prince reports that even Miscavige had severe doubts about releasing this secret of secrets. In reality, Scientology's celebrities are compensated richly for endorsements with: Free luxury accommodations and carte blanc use of the finest Scientology facilities and properties. Scientology's current leader David Miscavige learned that after Tom Cruise divorced Mimi Rogers, he was persuing Nicole Kidman. ... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Good News/Britain/...........
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > Discovery made at the Imperial College of London. See: > > http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050606/full/050606-13.html > > Gordon Brown...brokers a major Third World debt relief... Pink Floyd to reform for massive "Live8" concert in Hyde Park, London with Maddonna, Elton, Macca etc: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4085966.stm to pressurise the visiting Fiance chiefs. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One Taste
I was talking to a friend I met while on retreat a couple of years ago
and he told me the story of a very famous Tibetan Guru, Chatral
Rinpoche, who since the diaspora has set up meditation retreat centers
in India and Nepal. These people ventured the whole way to the
Kathmandu valley to seek teachings from him.
When they finally arrived at his cave, the eager student asked Chatral
if they could receive teachings. He responded: "If you eat my shit!".
They were aghast and left quickly.
My friend laughed as he conveyed these naive students response and
added: 'they gave the wrong answer, the right answer should have been
"how much shit?" and "which teachings?".
I highly recommend students read "The Divine Madman" in Dowman's
translation. It is the spiritual biography of Drukpa Kunlegs.
http://www.keithdowman.net/books/dm.htm
Also Chatral's _Prayer To Avert Nuclear War_
http://www.rinpoche.com/nukepryr.html
On Jun 12, 2005, at 6:01 PM, akasha_108 wrote:
> Thats prior post a quote from some article, not my prose.
>
> Perhaps the next person to claim enlightenmet ("popping like popcorn
> in FF") we should humbly and graceously ask them to "Eat shit".
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[FairfieldLife] Lenz -- Sex and Business Prctices / Ethics
Unc, The stories I always read about Lenz reported on Lenz's very aggressive seduction of streams of female students as well as very aggreesive, outlandish and possibly corrupt business practices. What were your observations of such, or the contrary? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: One Taste
Thats prior post a quote from some article, not my prose.
Perhaps the next person to claim enlightenmet ("popping like popcorn
in FF") we should humbly and graceously ask them to "Eat shit".
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tantric sex, or sex between the teacher and student is not unheard of in
> the tradition of Tibetan Buddhism. At a symposium with twenty two
> Western Buddhist Teachers the Dali Lama was asked about teachers
> having sex with women students, claiming to enlighten them.
> Surprisinglythe Dali Lama said there were a few cases where this might
> be possible.
>
> H illustrated with a story about Drukpa Kunley a famous medieval yogi of
> Bhutan. The Dali Lama explained that Kunley could do this because he
> had reached the nondual insight known as "one taste." All experiences
> were the same to him: He could enjoy excrement and urine just like the
> finest food and wine. The practice of Tantric sex is permitted only to
> practitioners who could match Kunley's insight. As for modern teachers
> who sleep with their students the Dali Lama said, If you put into their
> mouth some urine, they will not enjoy."
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[FairfieldLife] One Taste
Tantric sex, or sex between the teacher and student is not unheard of in the tradition of Tibetan Buddhism. At a symposium with twenty two Western Buddhist Teachers the Dali Lama was asked about teachers having sex with women students, claiming to enlighten them. Surprisinglythe Dali Lama said there were a few cases where this might be possible. H illustrated with a story about Drukpa Kunley a famous medieval yogi of Bhutan. The Dali Lama explained that Kunley could do this because he had reached the nondual insight known as "one taste." All experiences were the same to him: He could enjoy excrement and urine just like the finest food and wine. The practice of Tantric sex is permitted only to practitioners who could match Kunley's insight. As for modern teachers who sleep with their students the Dali Lama said, If you put into their mouth some urine, they will not enjoy." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
on 6/12/05 4:16 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > But why would he *take* the job if he didn't want it, > unless he thought he could eventually do something > good with it, make a contribution? It's hard to say no to MMY. Also, MMY was buttering him up big time. Nader was the only westerner living in his house. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 6/12/05 3:55 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > In my more optimistic moments the fact that I > > > don't know anything about him gives me room to > > > fantasize that once he's in control, he may > > > take things in an entirely new direction. > > > > > > But other than that, I'm just watching. > > > > Well that was a nice rational post. I have yet to see why you have > earned > > the reputation of stridently defending TM against any and all criticism. > > (http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/) > > I agree with Judy, except I think that Maharishi's family (nephews?) > will have control. Look at the Indian TM websites that are in > English. > I like Judy's posts. Thanks, guys. ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO is a spiritual Enron - was A question for Brigante
Ingegerd wrote: > I checked it up in Norway. TMO has no Trademark on Transcendental > Meditation - and will not have it in the Future, because > Transcendental is a description of a state of consciousness and is > universal. I do not know about other countries, maybe it would be > wise to check out. The more people using Transcendental Meditation in > their marketing outside the TMO, the more difficult it will be to get > it as Trademark > Ingegerd And in short time, as it becomes a generic term, no one will know what version of transcendental meditation they are getting. The loss of Knowledge it seems is truly inevitable. > > > > > > I guess I'll just either have to teach quietly or wait for the > > > > lawsuits and their resolution. I'm pretty sure that they will > > happen > > > > soon enough. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --snip-- > > > > Aside from the fact that he's willing to wear > > the silly crown and robes, Nader's pretty much > > an unknown quantity, to me, at least. I haven't > > heard anybody say much about him, what he's like > > as a person (which is kind of surprising given > > that he's going to be taking over fairly soon). > > > > In my more optimistic moments the fact that I > > don't know anything about him gives me room to > > fantasize that once he's in control, he may > > take things in an entirely new direction. > > > > But other than that, I'm just watching. > > Like everyone else, I am just watching too. I was on TTC > with Nader and have known him since then (about 1982, I think) > although I have not talked to him since he became King Tony. > He once said that he got where he is in the TMO by always > doing *exactly* what MMY asked - not a good sign for taking > things in a new direction. Unless the fact that MMY won't be around to tell him what to do changes the equation... > Also, fwiw, I > have never been convinced that he wants this job, and in fact I > think he is quite troubled by it - nothing to go on though, just > my wonderful intuition:) That's interesting. I remember thinking the same thing at one point, but now I can't recall why. But why would he *take* the job if he didn't want it, unless he thought he could eventually do something good with it, make a contribution? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 6/12/05 3:55 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In my more optimistic moments the fact that I > > don't know anything about him gives me room to > > fantasize that once he's in control, he may > > take things in an entirely new direction. > > > > But other than that, I'm just watching. > > Well that was a nice rational post. I have yet to see why you have earned > the reputation of stridently defending TM against any and all criticism. > (http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/) I agree with Judy, except I think that Maharishi's family (nephews?) will have control. Look at the Indian TM websites that are in English. I like Judy's posts. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --snip-- > > Aside from the fact that he's willing to wear > the silly crown and robes, Nader's pretty much > an unknown quantity, to me, at least. I haven't > heard anybody say much about him, what he's like > as a person (which is kind of surprising given > that he's going to be taking over fairly soon). > > In my more optimistic moments the fact that I > don't know anything about him gives me room to > fantasize that once he's in control, he may > take things in an entirely new direction. > > But other than that, I'm just watching. Like everyone else, I am just watching too. I was on TTC with Nader and have known him since then (about 1982, I think) although I have not talked to him since he became King Tony. He once said that he got where he is in the TMO by always doing *exactly* what MMY asked - not a good sign for taking things in a new direction. Also, fwiw, I have never been convinced that he wants this job, and in fact I think he is quite troubled by it - nothing to go on though, just my wonderful intuition:) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
on 6/12/05 3:55 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In my more optimistic moments the fact that I > don't know anything about him gives me room to > fantasize that once he's in control, he may > take things in an entirely new direction. > > But other than that, I'm just watching. Well that was a nice rational post. I have yet to see why you have earned the reputation of stridently defending TM against any and all criticism. (http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Even simpler than TM...and just using MMY's "one original mantra"!
Learn TM at home for $25 The original Maharishi's meditation (1958), single mantra for everybody www.natural-stress-relief.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 6/12/05 12:42 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > But don't you > >> think lurk's post was funny? It' very clever really. > > > > Yeah, sorta. Doesn't bowl me over. Not > > as funny as Brigante's thesis that MMY is > > deliberately holding things back so as not > > to cause sattva-shock. (He's said that on > > alt.m.t, but he's said it here too, so...) > > > Please come out of lurkerhood and tell us why you think > that's funny and what you think. (Am I asking for trouble?) Well, it's sort of the ultimate blissninny notion, isn't it? As Rick Carlstrom said, it's such a "big- balls rationalization" that you could almost believe it was true. Sorta like what the administration keeps telling us about how the worse it gets in Iraq, the clearer it is that we're winning. Whatever gets you through the night, I guess. I've long since given up trying to figure out what's going on. I do have one theory about what MMY is doing currently, which is that he's trying to wrap the movement up in a nice, compact, totally loyal package to hand over to Tony Nader when the time comes, no dead wood or dangling loose ends, so the transition is easier and smoother, no contrary factions. Sort of like when you move from one house to another, you throw out all the stuff you don't really need so the move will be easier. When you get to the new place, it'll be quicker to get set up, and you can start right in redecorating and accumulating new possessions. Aside from the fact that he's willing to wear the silly crown and robes, Nader's pretty much an unknown quantity, to me, at least. I haven't heard anybody say much about him, what he's like as a person (which is kind of surprising given that he's going to be taking over fairly soon). In my more optimistic moments the fact that I don't know anything about him gives me room to fantasize that once he's in control, he may take things in an entirely new direction. But other than that, I'm just watching. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Warning! X-rated: kuNDalii?? (not for ladies!)
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Rama Thang
- Original Message - From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Rama Thang --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> > It was what it was, and now it's over.> > ---What it was was adharmic fascination with the results of a Lobsang Rampa-like flight of fantasy based on the lunatic fringe, of which you were a part. My guess is you were a teen at the time and willing to believe anything. You were probably also on dope. But you don't give those details do you?I was 36 when I met him, not having done drugs since Iwas 22. Dude, I obviously pushed a few of your buttons. I think you should walk the walk of the Buddhism you spout hereand be thankful for being shown where the buttons are,rather than lash out at the person who pushed them.Unc-Touche To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO recertification? Aghoris just wanna have fun.
> There was a tour show a few years back on PBS about Rishikesh where the > host spends some time traveling through the Himalayas outside of > Rishikesh with an aghori. This aghori had a motorcycle equipped with a > cassette player and spoke fluent western English which made me > suspicious that he might be a former Silicon Valley engineer who decided > to renounce the world and become an aghori. The comment by the host > that sticks out in mind is "one doesn't know where to put their hands > when riding on a motorcycle driven by a naked aghori." I would love to > find a tape or DVD of it. :) > > - Bhairitu 'Shiva's Matted Locks' wasn't it? But he mixed up the stuff about MMY Ravi Shankar and The Beatles. Otherwise it was a really entertaining and gripping documentary. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] TMO recertification? Aghoris just wanna have fun.
Vaj wrote: >TMO recertification? Aghoris have fun with westerners. Curry technique, >also Ayurvedic PK technique. > >http://homepage.mac.com/vajranatha/FileSharing2.html > >Aghoris.wmv > > > Great video and of all things an MTV clip! I forwarded the link to my guru who I'm sure will get a kick out of it. BTW, my tradition is part aghori. There was a tour show a few years back on PBS about Rishikesh where the host spends some time traveling through the Himalayas outside of Rishikesh with an aghori. This aghori had a motorcycle equipped with a cassette player and spoke fluent western English which made me suspicious that he might be a former Silicon Valley engineer who decided to renounce the world and become an aghori. The comment by the host that sticks out in mind is "one doesn't know where to put their hands when riding on a motorcycle driven by a naked aghori." I would love to find a tape or DVD of it. :) - Bhairitu To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rama (Lentz): Desires and Enlightenment
Look, Llun, as someone here suggested, I think the personyou're angry at is yourself, but you're taking it out onsomeone convenient. -I have considered suicide before. I wasn't very happy then. Once the thought is there it cannot be erased. I didn't do it obviously. Mainly because I feel depression is catching, and I wouldn't ever wish it upon anyone. So to me anyone who commits suicide is someone who has willed depression upon others. And so is worse than their own personal failure - like someone who knowingly copulates who has AIDS. It's not like I'm Rama's defender oranything; -Actually, you are or you would just shut up about him. the True Believers in that trip consider me anunredeemable heretic. -Or so your personal mythology makes you think... But I'll reply to your points because I think you're indulging in self-loathing and feeling sorry for yourself, and aiming it in a directionthat doesn't do as much good as simply realizing that andgetting over it and getting back to walking the path... ---The path of what? Self liberation of the Bardo? That's my path. It happens regardless of my self loathing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Because his sidhis were not aparent to all. They were only > apparent to his 'chosen ones.' This is not true. People would pay $2 to get into an introtalk at the L.A. Convention Center or Carnegie Hall and seeexactly the same stuff. --I already told you I saw him, and got nothing. The $2 thing is bullshit. It was more like $20. > Frankly, with that Jewish hookbill shnoz of his he never > was all that hot to me. Fred grew up Catholic. You're kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel in finding ways to dump on him. :-) He had a big Jewish hump nose. What's the argument. I'm just saying that for all the pussy he got he was no Brad Pitt. I'm dumping on him because his pretentious act is emphatically not the Buddhadharma. In fact it is no dharma at all, which is why he coommitted suicide. He had no path but his own ego and self agrandisement. "Unhappily, young Dr. Lenz was as wayward as he was brilliant. Guru taught chastity, but Atmananda slept with many women; Chinmoy taught peace, but Atmananda loved violent movies and often took disciples to see them. Guru taught humility, but more and more, Atmananda hinted that he was something more than human, that he was an avatar, a fully enlightened teacher, a God on Earth. And, more and more, the followers believed him. By the end of 1980, the relationship between Guru and Atmananda had deteriorated, according to former students. The younger teacher called for senior members of his following - including Comaford - to fast on nothing but fruit juice for thirteen days. He kept them up late for spiritual sessions. The intended effect was achieved: Dazed and confused from hunger and exhaustion, the disciples felt an even stronger loyalty to their teacher. They would need it in the face of what came next. " http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.01/lenz_pr.html Just another piece of shit cult with no real Dharma. > I thought he seemed cool wearing a leather jacket, but then > I had been a punk rocker. I knew a con when I saw one. Yeah, just like you recognized that Maharishi was. --Around 1999, yeah. Youjust signed on at MIU/MUM to keep an eye on him andmake sure he didn't do anything really wrong. :-) --I went to MIU when I was seventeen in '83.' I didn't know jack shit back then. > My sister owning a psychic institute called "Inner Perceptions" > allowed me to meet a thousand different such people of every > possible distinction. Out of them all perhaps ten had any sort > of sidhi, and by sidhi in their case I mean merely self knowledge.Whereas you've got your act together? :-) ---More together than before. Yes. > Only Sholom Carlbach seemed beyond ego...And there's none in your rant? :-) ---I'm not holding myself out as a teacher, or as anything. In fact whenever people get high on something I say it makes me feel even more isolated. Just like when I cook. Invariably people always compliment the one item that was my least favorite of my dishes. People have no sense. It's for them that I write. > ...but that was probably just an act. There was a psychic named > Reverend Marilyn, and Carolyn Lacy. There was Bearheart, Isreal > Regardie, and a Hindu palmreader. The rest "were all" shysters. He says humbly, having developed a strong reputation herefor always seeing correctly and making wise life decisions. :-) --Ad hominim. I see why you like amt.> Lenz as well. In this world, in this life I have seen and met > almost everyone and everything that ever came to the US. Cool. Can we worship YOU? :-) --You can worship my cock if you like. But your worship alone won't get it up. > Lenz was a pathetic shyster
[FairfieldLife] Is Mindlessness in Vogue?
Recently someone raised the issue about folks being a drag in society and folks here posted examples of what they've run into. I am sure finding that more and more businesses and their representatives are behaving mindless. Whether it be your online service, your bank, or your credit card company they seem to be more and more run by idiots. I think this is not only because the noise and stress is overwhelming the masses but it is also becoming acceptable to behave mindlessly. For instance I've had cashiers waste my time (about 30 minutes) trying to find the price of a $4 bag of trash liners rather than just ring them up at that price (which is what they did eventually). They just weren't marked at the bin and not in the computer. My local supermarket won't do that as if there is a dispute they just give it to you at the price you quote unless it is ridiculous (in some cases the vendor hasn't put it in the computer yet). The first place obviously did not encourage thinking. I have many more examples but would like to hear from others. - Bhairitu To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Personality types
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > interesting to me that when I have read biographies of famous people > such as Edison (good example), they often act much as Maharishi > does; discounting 'expert' knowledge, acting in bizarre fashion, > sometimes short-tempered, displaying megalomaniac tendencies, etc. > > Then as Edison did, they eventually invent something(s) so profound > that it uplifts and transforms the world as we know it, forever. And > their invention comes after years of apparently fruitless toil, with > no discernable path or endpoint during the research, except them > repeating their stated objective. > > So I have to say my 'jury is still out' in rendering a verdict on > Maharishi's stated objective to enlighten the world. At the same > time, much of what is said to justify any isolated 'snapshot' > or 'movie' of his activity, either positively or negatively, is born > of fear, and our peculiar human weakness to attempt sense from the > unfathomable. > The difference between people like Edison and other famous people of his kind and Maharishi is that they worked in comparitive isolation and invented a material product. Coercing others, be it positive or negative is another kettle of fish entirely. JohnY > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > on 6/12/05 12:44 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > Charlie Lutes always wanted to hire professional people as > well and > > > > did for several early projects. He used to make that point in > his > > > > lectures. > > > > > > Did it help? M sometimes solicited the advice of professionals > but > > seldom > > > followed it. I often heard him put down "experts" and say > that "we" knew > > > better than they how to do things. > > > > I remember him taking about a movie that was professionally > produced > > and something about hiring an office manager for some of the SRM > > centers, but I'd have to talk to some other folks to get the story > > straight. > > > > JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 6/12/05 10:01 AM, eloigne24 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I saw John H-J speak once, and what I liked was that he was very > > natural and unpretentious - he said he had more respect for a hard- > > working owner of the local garage and their working at their small > > business than he did for most captains of industry - which I think > > shows that he was not blinded by charisma and image. How far that > > fits in with the TMO is anyone's guess. > > Maharishi would have had to totally change his personality and his > approach for this guy to have fit in... ...and if JHJ had been given a realistic chance, Maharishi might well have done some of that when he saw the money flowing in to International. A local sidha once asked an old timer if Maharishi was seen to be a business whizz kid. The old timer said "No", but it could be depended upon that he could read a spread sheet. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Personality types
interesting to me that when I have read biographies of famous people such as Edison (good example), they often act much as Maharishi does; discounting 'expert' knowledge, acting in bizarre fashion, sometimes short-tempered, displaying megalomaniac tendencies, etc. Then as Edison did, they eventually invent something(s) so profound that it uplifts and transforms the world as we know it, forever. And their invention comes after years of apparently fruitless toil, with no discernable path or endpoint during the research, except them repeating their stated objective. So I have to say my 'jury is still out' in rendering a verdict on Maharishi's stated objective to enlighten the world. At the same time, much of what is said to justify any isolated 'snapshot' or 'movie' of his activity, either positively or negatively, is born of fear, and our peculiar human weakness to attempt sense from the unfathomable. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 6/12/05 12:44 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > Charlie Lutes always wanted to hire professional people as well and > > > did for several early projects. He used to make that point in his > > > lectures. > > > > Did it help? M sometimes solicited the advice of professionals but > seldom > > followed it. I often heard him put down "experts" and say that "we" knew > > better than they how to do things. > > I remember him taking about a movie that was professionally produced > and something about hiring an office manager for some of the SRM > centers, but I'd have to talk to some other folks to get the story > straight. > > JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Recieved a Check yet ?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: (snip) > > But don't you > > think lurk's post was funny? It' very clever really. > > Yeah, sorta. Doesn't bowl me over. Not > as funny as Brigante's thesis that MMY is > deliberately holding things back so as not > to cause sattva-shock. (He's said that on > alt.m.t, but he's said it here too, so...) The sattva-shock theory is such a big balls rationalization that everytime I hear it I almost believe it's true. Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tantrik techniques?
Vaj wrote: >On Jun 12, 2005, at 9:49 AM, Bhairitu wrote: > > > >>Maran means "kill" and it can be used to kill someone though that is >>considered bad in the tantric tradition unless it is to save someone's >>life such as a child from the attack of a tiger (or a mountain lion). >> >>Vashikaran is used to bring someone under your influence though it can >>be used to help dispel relationship problems. >> >>Uchattan is used to distract the enemy. >> >>Stambhan is used to paralyze the enemy and shut up people who talk in >>theaters during a movie. :) >> >>Videshan is used to create differences between people or groups of >>people. >> >>Shanti Karan is used for healing. >> >> > >Technically these would not be considered siddhis per se but >applications of mantra siddhi (thus they are often referred to as >"action mantras"); consequently they are different than yogic siddhis >(as opposed to "attainment" siddhis). > >I realize this might seem a fine distinction, but I believe it is >appropriate to point out the differences. > > > We (tantrics) regard them as siddhis. The distinction is probably made by spectators and not the players. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Woman Thang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 6/12/05 12:26 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >>> Since the subject of lovely women has come up, does > >>> anyone know if Gail Crotta is still around in Fairfield, > >>> or what might have become of her? > >> > >> Yep, still in Fairfield. > > > > If you see her, say hello from Barry Wright, and > > that I spent a sunny afternoon recently thinking > > about all the beautiful, intelligent women I've > > been fortunate enough to meet in this incarnation, > > and she was 'way towards the top of the list. A > > lovely person. > > I'll do you one better. If Alex or someone can tell me her > married name I'll call her and convey your message. Even > give her your email if you like. She divorced and went back to Crotta, which is how she's listed in the phonebook. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > He was the most gifted > > speaker on spiritual subjects I've ever met, a real > > artist when it came to teaching. And he pissed it all > > away and did himself in. Shit happens. And just because > > you can meditate well and do siddhis doesn't mean that > > you are above getting some of the shit on you when it > > hits the fan. > > very interesting discussion and experiences with Rama, Unc. His > pattern seems extreme in that he was able to do many sidhis, and > chose suicide, but haven't we seen it before in other ways, with > other very gifted people? I'm thinking of all of the gifted > musicians who left early in the 70's, 80's... As hippie rock 'n roll promoters, working with some of these musicians, we used to call them "burn jobs," or "a nova waiting for its moment." Interestingly enough, there was an element of that in Rama. He used to say, "Spiritual teachers are like stars; they burn their very substance to give light." To some extent he was always fascinated with martyr- dom. One of his favorite movies was William Peter Blatty's "The Ninth Configuration." > ...and others, who on the one hand have > tremendous gifts, and yet are incredibly blind to themselves > in other areas. Sometimes I think that the enlightened are just work- ing on a different set of samskaras than we are. They seem to have gotten past many of the ones that bother us, so we think they're cool. And they are, but like us, they're still Working On It. > One of the great gifts that Maharishi's TM provided to so many > of us was a spiritual practice that emphasizes developing the > whole person, the totality, 360. Now even that (as we discuss > at length here...) has gone off track with all of the subsequent > knowledge that has emerged- sidhis, TMO stuff, false > pronouncements, etc, etc. I honestly don't think it's been different in any time in history. For every seeker, there comes a point at which he or she has to decide, "Should I do as I'm told, or should I follow my own intuition?" Those moments may be the whole reason we practice spirituality. > So perhaps Rama's lesson to us is that- take the right direction, > don't lose yourself in the glitter, don't toy with the power of > the Universe lightly; the Universe always wins. Or, "Don't believe your own P.R." > And despite all of the relative issues we see with Maharishi's > message, the main lesson is that if we want enlightenment, choose > our path carefully, both for fundamental technique, and how we > treat the results. And how we treat others. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: He was the most gifted > speaker on spiritual subjects I've ever met, a real > artist when it came to teaching. And he pissed it all > away and did himself in. Shit happens. And just because > you can meditate well and do siddhis doesn't mean that > you are above getting some of the shit on you when it > hits the fan. very interesting discussion and experiences with Rama, Unc. His pattern seems extreme in that he was able to do many sidhis, and chose suicide, but haven't we seen it before in other ways, with other very gifted people? I'm thinking of all of the gifted musicians who left early in the 70's, 80's, and others, who on the one hand have tremendous gifts, and yet are incredibly blind to themselves in other areas. One of the great gifts that Maharishi's TM provided to so many of us was a spiritual practice that emphasizes developing the whole person, the totality, 360. Now even that (as we discuss at length here...) has gone off track with all of the subsequent knowledge that has emerged- sidhis, TMO stuff, false pronouncements, etc, etc. But if I just consider the pure practice of the mantra, 20 min. 2X day, it has led to very balanced development for me. There have been many times when I have wanted TM to be the only solution for me, i.e. do it all, and that was a big mistake; of course I take responsibility for becoming who I am, fulfilling desires, not making mistakes, etc. as opposed to hanging it all on a technique. The technique itself though, purely by itself, has led to remarkably balanced purification of the nervous system. If I consider all of the spiritual techniques and avenues I know about, none of them offers the same power and balance to the neophyte that TM does. And please notice I said the neophyte, the beginner. And that is significant, for it is how we learn things initially that has a huge influence on us- 'first impressions count'. Perhaps this is a key to gaining enlightenment quickly; take the right direction from the beginning. And along with that, the realization that with increased power and increased freedom comes increased responsibility. So perhaps Rama's lesson to us is that- take the right direction, don't lose yourself in the glitter, don't toy with the power of the Universe lightly; the Universe always wins. And despite all of the relative issues we see with Maharishi's message, the main lesson is that if we want enlightenment, choose our path carefully, both for fundamental technique, and how we treat the results. Jai Guru Dev To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Woman Thang
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 6/12/05 12:26 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >>> Since the subject of lovely women has come up, does > >>> anyone know if Gail Crotta is still around in Fairfield, > >>> or what might have become of her? > >> > >> Yep, still in Fairfield. > > > > If you see her, say hello from Barry Wright, and > > that I spent a sunny afternoon recently thinking > > about all the beautiful, intelligent women I've > > been fortunate enough to meet in this incarnation, > > and she was 'way towards the top of the list. A > > lovely person. > > I'll do you one better. If Alex or someone can tell me her > married name I'll call her and convey your message. Even > give her your email if you like. Naaah. I was just curious. I've been so out of touch with the TMO for so long that I've lost touch with a lot of people I knew back then, and wonder from time to time what became of them. Good to hear she's doing well. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rama Thang
> > Did I have sex with her? > > No, but she hypnotized you to think you did. I remember that from high school: "Let's not, and say we did." :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Anyone Received a Check yet ?
on 6/12/05 12:42 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > But don't you >> think lurk's post was funny? It' very clever really. > > Yeah, sorta. Doesn't bowl me over. Not > as funny as Brigante's thesis that MMY is > deliberately holding things back so as not > to cause sattva-shock. (He's said that on > alt.m.t, but he's said it here too, so...) > Please come out of lurkerhood and tell us why you think that's funny and what you think. (Am I asking for trouble?) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Woman Thang
on 6/12/05 12:26 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> Since the subject of lovely women has come up, does >>> anyone know if Gail Crotta is still around in Fairfield, >>> or what might have become of her? >> >> Yep, still in Fairfield. > > If you see her, say hello from Barry Wright, and > that I spent a sunny afternoon recently thinking > about all the beautiful, intelligent women I've > been fortunate enough to meet in this incarnation, > and she was 'way towards the top of the list. A > lovely person. I'll do you one better. If Alex or someone can tell me her married name I'll call her and convey your message. Even give her your email if you like. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Tantrik techniques?
On Jun 12, 2005, at 9:49 AM, Bhairitu wrote: > Maran means "kill" and it can be used to kill someone though that is > considered bad in the tantric tradition unless it is to save someone's > life such as a child from the attack of a tiger (or a mountain lion). > > Vashikaran is used to bring someone under your influence though it can > be used to help dispel relationship problems. > > Uchattan is used to distract the enemy. > > Stambhan is used to paralyze the enemy and shut up people who talk in > theaters during a movie. :) > > Videshan is used to create differences between people or groups of > people. > > Shanti Karan is used for healing. Technically these would not be considered siddhis per se but applications of mantra siddhi (thus they are often referred to as "action mantras"); consequently they are different than yogic siddhis (as opposed to "attainment" siddhis). I realize this might seem a fine distinction, but I believe it is appropriate to point out the differences. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Woman Thang
on 6/12/05 11:30 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Since the subject of lovely women has come up, does > anyone know if Gail Crotta is still around in Fairfield, > or what might have become of her? I think she is. She married a fellow and had a daughter. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We're all shes here except you. The photos were just > to throw you off. In "Jeff's" case, she's really the > lovely redhead; the guy beside her is a hired actor. :-) Close. Not an actor but a walk-in.:-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desires and Enlightenment
on 6/12/05 11:18 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Jun 12, 2005, at 12:03 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > >>> Buddhist yogis who had perfected the phowa--the transference. >> >> Please elaborate a bit. > > Many trads. of Buddhism will perfect a practice, often during retreat > at least once in their lifetime. It allows them to consciously die by > transferring consciousness out of the body and into a pure dimension. So in other words they light the match and then leave the body abruptly so as not to feel the fire. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
