[FairfieldLife] Men Only: HO and the 4th?
Is it possible to stay in samâdhi whilst having an intense Shiva-lingam -like hard-on? :0 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
Moreover, Christ was not a 'bourgeoiuse revolutionary' or PhD that changed side - but a salt-of-the-earth working man. It would be like your small town car-mechanic, grease on his hands and all, stepped out of his garage and started to do these things and perform those miracles.. Oh boy, would this scare the establishment? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/17/05 5:59 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the old is behavior correlated with level of consciousness issue. He behaves in ways that clash with almost everyone's concept of how an enlightened person would behave. As did Christ. Well, I wouldn't imply Bevan is Chruist like in any fashion, but I do get your point. I don't. People say someone is Christ-like if they display extraordinary degrees of compassion, tolerance, patience, etc. Sound like Bevan? I think more than anything else, Christ was seen by his peers and the establishment in his days as anti-status quo. I am looking fwd to Bevan breaking into a Texas correction facility and stopping an impending execution; or flipping the finger to the IRS; or breaking and entering the NYSE and with his own hands trashing the place.. This instances of insolence would of course be interspersed with healings and street-sermons in downtown Los Angeles, as well as walking on water at Long Island.. To the best of my recollections, this would be a contemporary equivalent of what Christ did in his time. That would be pretty cool if Bevan did those things! The Christian Fundies forget-or perhaps never knew-what and incredible radical Jesus was. In fact, that's why he was killed by the Jewish religious authorities through the agency of Rome. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
I once found myself in a discussion with a westerner who had lived in India as a disciple with one of Guru Dev's other disciples (other than MMY) and who had encountered some TM:ers and was upset by how the TMO had misunderstood how to practice the Patanjali Yoga Sutras. He went on to explain how they should really be used - upon which I realized that what he told me was exactly what I had been told on the TM-Sidhi course. The way to properly use to YS is not simply by repeating various phrases or words over and over I have not followed this thread in detail so apologies if I kick in any open doors. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does seem to be having some problems. Sorry for sending you on a wild goose chase. It was a great website. Try searching for Patanjali Yoga Sutras on the web. That might bring up something. They are supposed to be supernormal powers that you can develop simply by repeating various phrases or words over and over. Then again, you could always try ducking into a phone booth... Sal On Oct 17, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Paula Youmans wrote: Ok, Trancenet does not resolve for some reason, but I can try to poke into that later. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/17/05 1:43 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I think the TM-Sidhi program is great and I'm not a TB by any stretch of the imagination. It took years of regular practice before I noticed anything though and then did I notice!! I practiced regularly for 25 years and didn't notice anything... What about the people around you? They are often the ones who notice the changes rather than ourselves. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Request for quote from5/14/2003 press conference
Does anyone have a copy of this press conference? The following was said but I believe this is incomplete: 30 or 40 thousand teachers of TM I have trained, many of them have gone on their own, and they may not call it Maharishi's TM, but they are teaching it in some different name here and there... doesn't matter, as long as the man is getting something useful to make his life better, we are satisfied. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Press Conference, May 14, 2003. __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men Only: HO and the 4th?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to stay in samâdhi whilst having an intense Shiva-lingam -like hard-on? :0 Try it and tell us. The march of Science must not be impeded. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
I didn't get that Lawson was comparing specific characteristics, just noting that many people of Jesus' time didn't approve of his behavior-- socializing with prostitutes and tax collectors and such, healing on the Sabbath, etc. Different expectations, but the same tendency to be disapproving if they weren't fulfilled. Yes, because he was doing what he knew to be right, not conforming to someone else's standards. Bevan? This brings up an interesting question -- can one be enlightened and at the same time be a total toady? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/17/05 9:20 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not the way it started out though. That's why there was a lawsuit about false advertising. Right, but you used the present tense, as though they were still doing it, when they've been honest about it for decades. Even now though, when Maharishi and others talk about it, they imply that something other than muscular thrust is causing the body to lift up, i.e., that Newtonian physics is being defied, which it isn't. I think it is. The higher some people go, the lighter they fall. Some seem to progress to look like a flat round pebble skimming across water. But there is as well a heavy muscular phenomenon which affects some people at one time or another. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It did help a little - thanks :-) I am reading patanjali now after years of being told I should lol Just be aware that the various English translations (and commentaries) do not necessarily reflect MMY's understanding of the Yoga Sutras. And that Maharishi's understanding of the Yoga Sutras does not necessarily reflect Patanjali. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Real levitation (not human)?
http://www.sinenmaa.com/kuvax.html Kati Sinenmaa is a Finnish eccentric who lives in a forest nearby Helsinki. Her lifter (not invited by her) uses the 25k(?) volts of a PC monitor. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2005, at 4:13 PM, authfriend wrote: I noticed effects too, subtle but definitely there. What I object too is the deceptive marketing Specifically what deceptive marketing? Seen anybody fly lately? Sal, they've been holding public demonstrations of Yogic Flying since 1984, with oodles of press coverage, and they've been *very* open that nothing but hopping is going on. HOWEVER, that is the backlash policy, instituted after the first year or so of the siddhis, during which they were very definitely presented in terms of people flying, walking through walls, etc. The policy Judy speaks about above was created when it became obvious that this was all bullshit, and a few people sued the TM movement. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Real levitation (not human)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.sinenmaa.com/kuvax.html Kati Sinenmaa is a Finnish eccentric who lives in a forest nearby Helsinki. Her lifter (not invited by her) uses the 25k(?) volts of a PC monitor. Oops! You gots to click on Kuvat (Pictures). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, because he was doing what he knew to be right, not conforming to someone else's standards. Bevan? Whose standards is Bevan conforming to? Have you ever spent any time around Bevan? If you had, I don't think you'd accuse him of having a mind of his own. I have never encountered more of a Maharishi toady in all my days in the TM movement. During the time I knew him, the man could barely utter a sentence without invoking the holy Maharishisez mantra. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men Only: HO and the 4th?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to stay in samâdhi whilst having an intense Shiva-lingam -like hard-on? :0 Diamond mind while maintaining a diamond cutter? You betcha. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men Only: HO and the 4th?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to stay in samâdhi whilst having an intense Shiva-lingam -like hard-on? :0 Try it and tell us. The march of Science must not be impeded. Just don't march too close to the soldier-scientists in front of you. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, because he was doing what he knew to be right, not conforming to someone else's standards. Bevan? Whose standards is Bevan conforming to? Have you ever spent any time around Bevan? If you had, I don't think you'd accuse him of having a mind of his own. I have never encountered more of a Maharishi toady in all my days in the TM movement. During the time I knew him, the man could barely utter a sentence without invoking the holy Maharishisez mantra. Sure, but that's Bevan's chosen function in life, is it ot? Are you requiring all enlightened people to follow Jesus' dharma? Are crosses required also? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
Yes, because he was doing what he knew to be right, not conforming to someone else's standards. Bevan? Whose standards is Bevan conforming to? Have you ever spent any time around Bevan? If you had, I don't think you'd accuse him of having a mind of his own. I have never encountered more of a Maharishi toady in all my days in the TM movement. During the time I knew him, the man could barely utter a sentence without invoking the holy Maharishisez mantra. Sure, but that's Bevan's chosen function in life, is it not? It is his CHOSEN function in life. One doesn't have to be a toady to do a good job serving a teacher. Are you requiring all enlightened people to follow Jesus' dharma? Are crosses required also? Gaze upwards in this post and find where I have said anything about the silly Jeezus stuff. You won't find it. That's your issue, or nitpick, not mine. I also haven't said anything about the question of whether Bevan is enlightened or not, although I will. My feeling is that if that bloated bag of personality-less wind is enlightened, the entire centuries-long tradition of enlightenment owes everyone who has ever believed in it a big refund. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Real levitation (not human)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.sinenmaa.com/kuvax.html Kati Sinenmaa is a Finnish eccentric who lives in a forest nearby Helsinki. Her lifter (not invited by her) More oops: *invented* by her... uses the 25k(?) volts of a PC monitor. Oops! You gots to click on Kuvat (Pictures). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
On Oct 18, 2005, at 4:01 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paula Youmans" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It did help a little - thanks :-) I am reading patanjali now after years of being told I should lol Just be aware that the various English translations (and commentaries) do not necessarily reflect MMY's understanding of the Yoga Sutras. And that Maharishi's understanding of the Yoga Sutras does not necessarily reflect Patanjali. Or the use of Patanjali in the Shankaracharya tradition. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
On Oct 17, 2005, at 10:57 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2005, at 5:36 PM, Paula Youmans wrote: Hey, I think the TM-Sidhi program is great and I'm not a TB by any stretch of the imagination. It took years of regular practice before I noticed anything though and then did I notice!! What is TB? Is it like…transcendental baby? Haha…just a guess Close. A "True Believer"--typically one who accepts whole or at least the "practice" part of the TMO/TM/TMSP package, without any or little outside perspective. In it's worst manifestation you accept everything the TMO spits out as "gospel". More commonly encountered as "believers" are those who swallowed, hook-line-and-sinker, the ole "fastest boat" idea, that TM was something really, unique, special-- the best--and that the advanced techniques and the TMSP were natural extensions of this best method, capable of taking you to full enlightenment, Unity Consciousness. Funky, I STILL believe or tentatively believe that TM is the best mediation technique, and unique, to boot. I thought you no longer practiced it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2005, at 4:13 PM, authfriend wrote: I noticed effects too, subtle but definitely there. What I object too is the deceptive marketing Specifically what deceptive marketing? Seen anybody fly lately? Sal, they've been holding public demonstrations of Yogic Flying since 1984, with oodles of press coverage, and they've been *very* open that nothing but hopping is going on. HOWEVER, that is the backlash policy, instituted after the first year or so of the siddhis, during which they were very definitely presented in terms of people flying, walking through walls, etc. The policy Judy speaks about above was created when it became obvious that this was all bullshit, and a few people sued the TM movement. When the siddhis first came out there were all those posters that had Jane what's-her-name apparently flying about 40 feet down a length of foam. Of course it was all marketing BS by MMY and the TMO. It's MMY's business ethics. Truth in advertising has never been necessary for MMY. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Men Only: HO and the 4th?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't get that Lawson was comparing specific characteristics, just noting that many people of Jesus' time didn't approve of his behavior-- socializing with prostitutes and tax collectors and such, healing on the Sabbath, etc. Different expectations, but the same tendency to be disapproving if they weren't fulfilled. Yes, because he was doing what he knew to be right, not conforming to someone else's standards. Bevan? This brings up an interesting question -- can one be enlightened and at the same time be a total toady? Define total toady. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, because he was doing what he knew to be right, not conforming to someone else's standards. Bevan? Whose standards is Bevan conforming to? Have you ever spent any time around Bevan? If you had, I don't think you'd accuse him of having a mind of his own. I have never encountered more of a Maharishi toady in all my days in the TM movement. During the time I knew him, the man could barely utter a sentence without invoking the holy Maharishisez mantra. Sure, but that's Bevan's chosen function in life, is it not? It is his CHOSEN function in life. One doesn't have to be a toady to do a good job serving a teacher. Are you requiring all enlightened people to follow Jesus' dharma? Are crosses required also? Gaze upwards in this post and find where I have said anything about the silly Jeezus stuff. Actually you were responding to a comparison between Bevan and Jesus choke. The he in He was doing what he knew to be right referred to Jesus. You won't find it. That's your issue, or nitpick, not mine. I also haven't said anything about the question of whether Bevan is enlightened or not, although I will. My feeling is that if that bloated bag of personality-less wind is enlightened, the entire centuries-long tradition of enlightenment owes everyone who has ever believed in it a big refund. And yet, when it comes to other supposedly enlightened people who appear to misbehave, you're one of the first to insist that behavior is not a criterion of enlightenment. (On the other hand, you've often insisted that being consistent is a function of ignorance. Except when you're defending yourself from the charge of holding double standards, of course.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't get that Lawson was comparing specific characteristics, just noting that many people of Jesus' time didn't approve of his behavior-- socializing with prostitutes and tax collectors and such, healing on the Sabbath, etc. Different expectations, but the same tendency to be disapproving if they weren't fulfilled. Yes, because he was doing what he knew to be right, not conforming to someone else's standards. Bevan? This brings up an interesting question -- can one be enlightened and at the same time be a total toady? Define total toady. Main Entry: toady Pronunciation: 'tO-dE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural toad·ies Etymology: by shortening alteration from toadeater : one who flatters in the hope of gaining favors synonym : SYCOPHANT -- a servile self-seeking flatterer synonym : PARASITE -- one who clings to a person of wealth, power, or influence or is useless to society That, only totally. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
It would be like your small town car-mechanic, grease on his hands and all, stepped out of his garage and started to do these things and perform those miracles.. Oh boy, would this scare the establishment? Not as much as if it was a girl lol How sad is that :P To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 18, 2005, at 4:01 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I am reading patanjali now after years of being told I should lol Just be aware that the various English translations (and commentaries) do not necessarily reflect MMY's understanding of the Yoga Sutras. And that Maharishi's understanding of the Yoga Sutras does not necessarily reflect Patanjali. Or the use of Patanjali in the Shankaracharya tradition. That would be in the orthodox Shankaracharya tradition, the one MMY maintains has been corrupted and no longer reflects the original teaching. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2005, at 4:13 PM, authfriend wrote: I noticed effects too, subtle but definitely there. What I object too is the deceptive marketing Specifically what deceptive marketing? Seen anybody fly lately? Sal, they've been holding public demonstrations of Yogic Flying since 1984, with oodles of press coverage, and they've been *very* open that nothing but hopping is going on. HOWEVER, that is the backlash policy, instituted after the first year or so of the siddhis, during which they were very definitely presented in terms of people flying, walking through walls, etc. The policy Judy speaks about above was created when it became obvious that this was all bullshit, and a few people sued the TM movement. For the record, the reason I specified a *date*, of course, was to indicate when the policy *changed*. We all know in the early years Yogic Flying was promoted deceptively. My point was that it hasn't been since the mid-'80s (Lawson says 1986), not that it never was. (I don't think it was even called Yogic Flying until they started holding the public demonstrations, the phrase having been invented to evoke the three stages notion so it could be explained that practitioners had achieved only the first stage.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, because he was doing what he knew to be right, not conforming to someone else's standards. Bevan? Whose standards is Bevan conforming to? Have you ever spent any time around Bevan? If you had, I don't think you'd accuse him of having a mind of his own. I have never encountered more of a Maharishi toady in all my days in the TM movement. During the time I knew him, the man could barely utter a sentence without invoking the holy Maharishisez mantra. Sure, but that's Bevan's chosen function in life, is it not? It is his CHOSEN function in life. One doesn't have to be a toady to do a good job serving a teacher. Are you requiring all enlightened people to follow Jesus' dharma? Are crosses required also? Gaze upwards in this post and find where I have said anything about the silly Jeezus stuff. Actually you were responding to a comparison between Bevan and Jesus choke. The he in He was doing what he knew to be right referred to Jesus. You won't find it. That's your issue, or nitpick, not mine. I also haven't said anything about the question of whether Bevan is enlightened or not, although I will. My feeling is that if that bloated bag of personality-less wind is enlightened, the entire centuries-long tradition of enlightenment owes everyone who has ever believed in it a big refund. And yet, when it comes to other supposedly enlightened people who appear to misbehave, you're one of the first to insist that behavior is not a criterion of enlightenment. (On the other hand, you've often insisted that being consistent is a function of ignorance. Except when you're defending yourself from the charge of holding double standards, of course.) Still trying to start an argument, eh Jude? Ain't gonna work today, any more than it did this weekend. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't get that Lawson was comparing specific characteristics, just noting that many people of Jesus' time didn't approve of his behavior-- socializing with prostitutes and tax collectors and such, healing on the Sabbath, etc. Different expectations, but the same tendency to be disapproving if they weren't fulfilled. Yes, because he was doing what he knew to be right, not conforming to someone else's standards. Bevan? This brings up an interesting question -- can one be enlightened and at the same time be a total toady? Define total toady. Main Entry: toady Pronunciation: 'tO-dE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural toad·ies Etymology: by shortening alteration from toadeater : one who flatters in the hope of gaining favors synonym : SYCOPHANT -- a servile self-seeking flatterer synonym : PARASITE -- one who clings to a person of wealth, power, or influence or is useless to society That, only totally. :-) So you're suggesting Bevan is insincere in his apparent devotion to MMY? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, because he was doing what he knew to be right, not conforming to someone else's standards. Bevan? Whose standards is Bevan conforming to? Have you ever spent any time around Bevan? If you had, I don't think you'd accuse him of having a mind of his own. I have never encountered more of a Maharishi toady in all my days in the TM movement. During the time I knew him, the man could barely utter a sentence without invoking the holy Maharishisez mantra. Sure, but that's Bevan's chosen function in life, is it not? It is his CHOSEN function in life. One doesn't have to be a toady to do a good job serving a teacher. Are you requiring all enlightened people to follow Jesus' dharma? Are crosses required also? Gaze upwards in this post and find where I have said anything about the silly Jeezus stuff. Actually you were responding to a comparison between Bevan and Jesus choke. The he in He was doing what he knew to be right referred to Jesus. You won't find it. That's your issue, or nitpick, not mine. I also haven't said anything about the question of whether Bevan is enlightened or not, although I will. My feeling is that if that bloated bag of personality-less wind is enlightened, the entire centuries-long tradition of enlightenment owes everyone who has ever believed in it a big refund. And yet, when it comes to other supposedly enlightened people who appear to misbehave, you're one of the first to insist that behavior is not a criterion of enlightenment. (On the other hand, you've often insisted that being consistent is a function of ignorance. Except when you're defending yourself from the charge of holding double standards, of course.) Still trying to start an argument, eh Jude? Ain't gonna work today, any more than it did this weekend. :-) Just making a couple of observations, Barry. Relax. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
I didn't get that Lawson was comparing specific characteristics, just noting that many people of Jesus' time didn't approve of his behavior-- socializing with prostitutes and tax collectors and such, healing on the Sabbath, etc. Different expectations, but the same tendency to be disapproving if they weren't fulfilled. Yes, because he was doing what he knew to be right, not conforming to someone else's standards. Bevan? This brings up an interesting question -- can one be enlightened and at the same time be a total toady? Define total toady. Main Entry: toady Pronunciation: 'tO-dE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural toad·ies Etymology: by shortening alteration from toadeater : one who flatters in the hope of gaining favors synonym : SYCOPHANT -- a servile self-seeking flatterer synonym : PARASITE -- one who clings to a person of wealth, power, or influence or is useless to society That, only totally. :-) So you're suggesting Bevan is insincere in his apparent devotion to MMY? I merely asked a theoretical question about the nature of enlightenment and whether it was con- sistent with toadyhood. It seems to me that enlightenment (which I think all of us agree is pretty much a useless term, but one we're stuck with) would be pretty wasted on a person who drew his or her primary sense of identity from the person of power, wealth or influence he or she had attached himself to. My feeling is that, because the universe is infinite, someone *could* possibly go that route, but it would be a lot like Sir Laurence Olivier becoming a fawning member of Ralph Macchio's entourage so that he could hang around with him all the time. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
Good job, perhaps you could help the list be filling out also this definition..? Main Entry: TurquoiseB Pronunciation: Turk-o-ass-Be ? Function: any? Inflected Form(s): ? Etymology: ? synonym(s): ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't get that Lawson was comparing specific characteristics, just noting that many people of Jesus' time didn't approve of his behavior-- socializing with prostitutes and tax collectors and such, healing on the Sabbath, etc. Different expectations, but the same tendency to be disapproving if they weren't fulfilled. Yes, because he was doing what he knew to be right, not conforming to someone else's standards. Bevan? This brings up an interesting question -- can one be enlightened and at the same time be a total toady? Define total toady. Main Entry: toady Pronunciation: 'tO-dE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural toad·ies Etymology: by shortening alteration from toadeater : one who flatters in the hope of gaining favors synonym : SYCOPHANT -- a servile self-seeking flatterer synonym : PARASITE -- one who clings to a person of wealth, power, or influence or is useless to society That, only totally. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good job, perhaps you could help the list be filling out also this definition..? Main Entry: TurquoiseB Pronunciation: Turk-o-ass-Be ? Function: any? Inflected Form(s): ? Etymology: ? synonym(s): ? Main Entry: TurquoiseB Pronunciation: tr-kwoiz-bee Function: none whatsoever Inflected Form(s): TurquoiseBeenThereDoneThatGotTheTshirt Etymology: the pseudonym used by the Sixth Dalai Lama when writing his songs and poetry Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/17/05 9:20 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not the way it started out though. That's why there was a lawsuit about false advertising. Right, but you used the present tense, as though they were still doing it, when they've been honest about it for decades. Even now though, when Maharishi and others talk about it, they imply that something other than muscular thrust is causing the body to lift up, i.e., that Newtonian physics is being defied, which it isn't The TMO NEVER says the word hopping and ALWAYS uses the wordss flying or levitation when talking about the sidhis, in press conferences, in any public discussion. It's absurd to say the TMO is honest in saying they are teaching hopping. The winners in the FLYING competitions are always ex-athletes, often ex-gymnists, never the Bevans of the world. If it's really levitation why do the Bevans of the world always look like they're straining to get 1/2inch off the ground at best. (If you've never been in the men's dome, take my word for it). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Real levitation (not human)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.sinenmaa.com/kuvax.html Kati Sinenmaa is a Finnish eccentric who lives in a forest nearby Helsinki. Her lifter (not invited by her) More oops: *invented* by her... uses the 25k(?) volts of a PC monitor. Oops! You gots to click on Kuvat (Pictures). Invented by her? She'll need to be getting on. T.T.Brown pioneered the Brown-Biefeld Effect in the thirties and forties. This link shows you how to do this at home: http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm PC monitors are no good unless they are very old because of the power saving eco feature; they keep switching off. There is debate as to whether the lift is from ion wind or the high voltage distorting the gravitional field Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- snip -- The TMO NEVER says the word hopping and ALWAYS uses the wordss flying or levitation when talking about the sidhis, in press conferences, in any public discussion. That's because hopping is the initial stage of flying. If you were around at the earuly 19th century I would have expected to find you to be the odd-man out in the awed crowd at the Wright brother's attempts to build a functional flying machine, which in the initial stages was only 'hopping.' Maybe that Wright brothers showed have been stopped and made to shame for daring to state their belief in the notion of flying machines, even though all they could show was hopping..? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
It seems to me that enlightenment (which I think all of us agree is pretty much a useless term, but one we're stuck with) would be pretty wasted on a person who drew his or her primary sense of identity from the person of power, wealth or influence he or she had attached himself to. I think anytime you love something completely and openly that it will most definitely fly you to new heights, but Im not sure that drawing identity from or even attaching to is loving openly. I mean, for all practical purposes your guru could be a blade of grass, if it so inspires. But if youre primary sense of identity was drawn from a blade of grass, Im thinking you might get eaten. It seems to me that a wise person would not promote such dependence. Even a blade of grass would most likely laugh at you knowing that it could not last too long To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Real levitation (not human)?
http://www.sinenmaa.com/kuvax.html Kati Sinenmaa is a Finnish eccentric who lives in a forest nearby Helsinki. Her lifter (not invited by her) More oops: *invented* by her... uses the 25k(?) volts of a PC monitor. Oops! You gots to click on Kuvat (Pictures). Speaking of Finland and true levitation, you should check out these photos of the sidhis performed by monks at the monastery of Valhamönde, in the Karelia region of Finland. Click on the 'Selected Images' link and then click on each of the thumbnails for a larger image of the sidhi being performed and an explanation of it: http://tinyurl.com/c43dy But my favorite (because of her outfit) is still: http://www.whitebirdgallery.com/k.grant/2004/levitation.jpg Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- petepeterklutztepeterklutzoo.com.au auote: --- In FairFairfieldLifeoyahoogroups, markmarkmeredith markmarkmeredith. wrote: -- snip -- The TMO TMOER says the word hopping and ALWAYS uses the wordwordss flying or levitation when talking about the sidhsidhis press conferences, in any public discussion. That's because hopping is the initial stage of flying. If you were around at the earuearulyh cthtury I would have expected to find you to be the odd-man out in the awed crowd at the Wright brother's attempts to build a functional flying machine, which in the initial stages was only 'hopping.' Maybe that Wright brothers showed have been stopped and made to shame for daring to state their belief in the notion of flying machines, even though all they could show was hopping..? Peter, please! The Wright brothers went from short hops to long flights rather quickly. Also there is a rational, verifiable explanation as to how flight works. The TMO offers only a magical explanation as to how the flying sutras work and nobody has flown since the introduction of the siddhis in 1977. Let's see, the Wright brothers first flew in 1903... 28 years later, 1931, what was the level of aviation development then? They weren't still hopping, that's for sure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page httphttps.click.yahoo.com/dpRUdpRUUILwUILAASyQLSAAoJjtolB ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: httphttproups.yahoo.com/group/FairFairfieldLife and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links FairFairfieldLifeuunsubscribeoyahoogroups __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
It seems to me that enlightenment (which I think all of us agree is pretty much a useless term, but one we're stuck with) would be pretty wasted on a person who drew his or her primary sense of identity from the person of power, wealth or influence he or she had attached himself to. I think anytime you love something completely and openly that it will most definitely fly you to new heights, but I'm not sure that drawing identity from or even attaching to is loving openly. Yup. That's the difference I had in mind. I've known folks who were into guru yoga, and on whom the complete focus on their teacher looked good and felt natural. Then there are others, from whom you get a feeling that they're only acting out the role of devotion because either they think they should or they think it'll impress others. The subjective feeling one gets from the latter *doesn't* feel natural. Or pleasant to be around. IMO, of course. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddhis culture Samadhi NOT...was..Proclaiming ones enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hanumanhoffman9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * If they (vibhutis) do not lead one to this state, they will be called as ÒsiddhisÓ and not vibhutis. Siddhis hinder samadhi and lead one to ÒvyuththanataÓ (becoming outward). Therefore, Patanjali has stated thus: ÒTe samaadhaavupasargaah vyuththaane siddhayahÓ or ÒOne who is after siddhis cannot achieve vibhuti yoga.Ó Same old tired rant, and an extremely free translation. Sour grapes, I suspect. I think it's Bhoja who comments on that suutra e.g. like this (from memory): te praakpratipaaditaaH samaahitacittasyodpadyamaanaa... I don't think he would use the word praak-prati-paaditaaH to qualify te in his commentary unless in his opinion the demonstrative pronoun te in te samaadhaav upasargaa vyutthaane siddhayaH refers only to the siddhis mentioned in the previous suutra (the refined senses, or stuff) not all the suutras. Well, at least that's a possibility... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Real levitation (not human)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.whitebirdgallery.com/k.grant/2004/levitation.jpg OUCH! :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real levitation (not human)?
Very Clockwork Orange lol But my favorite (because of her outfit) is still: http://www.whitebirdgallery.com/k.grant/2004/levitation.jpg To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
on 10/17/05 11:34 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even now though, when Maharishi and others talk about it, they imply that something other than muscular thrust is causing the body to lift up, i.e., that Newtonian physics is being defied, which it isn't. What do you think accounts for the phenomenon that some people *appear* not to be exerting enough muscular effort to hop as high and as far as they do? I hop like a Mack truck myself, but I've seen folks hop in a way that just doesn't seem right to my kinesthetic sense of how people move in relation to their weight. Ever see Michael Jordan play basketball in his prime? A physically fit person can make moves that appear to defy gravity, but don't. I do believe people can levitate and even that people in the TM movement may have done so momentarily on rare occasions, but I doubt it has ever happened regularly in group flying sessions. There was an old guy named Elliot who was a plumber at MIU-CNL in DC and later at MUM. A friend of mine, whom I believe, told me that Elliot went through a phase when he first got the sidhis where he was levitating a lot. Couldn't even sit on the toilet sometimes without floating into the air. My friend said he saw him (not necessarily the toilet episode) and took pictures. I'll see if I can get them, scan them, and post them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
on 10/17/05 11:55 PM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even now though, when Maharishi and others talk about it, they imply that something other than muscular thrust is causing the body to lift up, i.e., that Newtonian physics is being defied, which it isn't. My very first hop was indeed a sidhi. Someone on my flying block recommended I think to myself I want to hop and I did and I went straight up. I was sitting in full lotus with my back straight, and there's no way I can do the usual hopping that is half shakti and half muscular effort in full lotus with my back straight. Someone witnessed it, too, so I know it happened. It happened only once. How high did you go and for how long? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Yogic Flying, was: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
on 10/18/05 12:07 AM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *** The strongest young gymnasts can only do a very poor imitation of yogic flying for a couple minutes, at which time they are so exhausted that they can't carry on -- that alone indicates that even the slight evidence of YF to date is clearly consciousness-based, not muscle-based. YFers can do it for twenty minutes, so it's clearly not fatiguing like the tremendous muscular effort needed to throw the body around. That was always a movement argument but I question it. I've seen yogic flyers get plenty winded, and not coincidentally, the yogic flying champions Eddie Gob and Blaine Watson were ex-gymnasts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Yogic Flying, was: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
on 10/18/05 2:49 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/17/05 1:43 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I think the TM-Sidhi program is great and I'm not a TB by any stretch of the imagination. It took years of regular practice before I noticed anything though and then did I notice!! I practiced regularly for 25 years and didn't notice anything... What about the people around you? They are often the ones who notice the changes rather than ourselves. Uns. I'm sure that all those thousands of hours of practice had an effect, but I never experienced a flavor or result on a sutra. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This brings up an interesting question -- can one be enlightened and at the same time be a total toady? Define total toady. Main Entry: toady Pronunciation: 'tO-dE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural toad·ies Etymology: by shortening alteration from toadeater : one who flatters in the hope of gaining favors synonym : SYCOPHANT -- a servile self-seeking flatterer synonym : PARASITE -- one who clings to a person of wealth, power, or influence or is useless to society That, only totally. :-) So you're suggesting Bevan is insincere in his apparent devotion to MMY? I merely asked a theoretical question about the nature of enlightenment and whether it was con- sistent with toadyhood. Actually in a subsequent post you explicitly called Bevan a toady. So I ask again: Were you suggesting Bevan is insincere in his apparent devotion to MMY? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This brings up an interesting question -- can one be enlightened and at the same time be a total toady? Define total toady. Main Entry: toady Pronunciation: 'tO-dE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural toad·ies Etymology: by shortening alteration from toadeater : one who flatters in the hope of gaining favors synonym : SYCOPHANT -- a servile self-seeking flatterer synonym : PARASITE -- one who clings to a person of wealth, power, or influence or is useless to society That, only totally. :-) So you're suggesting Bevan is insincere in his apparent devotion to MMY? I merely asked a theoretical question about the nature of enlightenment and whether it was con- sistent with toadyhood. Actually in a subsequent post you explicitly called Bevan a toady. So I ask again: Were you suggesting Bevan is insincere in his apparent devotion to MMY? Well, to be completely honest, the thought never crossed my mind. But now that you bring it up, my personal experience with Bevan was that he was insincere in *all* of his interactions with other human beings, so I consider it possible that this trend extends to Maharishi. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I ask again: Were you suggesting Bevan is insincere in his apparent devotion to MMY? Well, to be completely honest, the thought never crossed my mind. But now that you bring it up, my personal experience with Bevan was that he was insincere in *all* of his interactions with other human beings, so I consider it possible that this trend extends to Maharishi. But this has nothing whatsoever to do with being a toady. One can be quite sincere in one's sucking up and still be a toady. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The TMO NEVER says the word hopping and ALWAYS uses the wordss flying or levitation when talking about the sidhis, in press conferences, in any public discussion. It's absurd to say the TMO is honest in saying they are teaching hopping. Well, they're not teaching hopping, they're teaching flying, so it would be dishonest to say the former. At any rate, they routinely talk about the three stages of Yogic Flying, identifying the first as hopping like a frog, and saying that's the most that has been achieved so far. The winners in the FLYING competitions are always ex-athletes, often ex-gymnists, never the Bevans of the world. If it's really levitation why do the Bevans of the world always look like they're straining to get 1/2inch off the ground at best. (If you've never been in the men's dome, take my word for it). But nobody is suggesting it's really levitation, except in the first-stage sense. And I've never heard the TMO say the muscles aren't involved at all. The question is whether the Yogic Olympics are *just* an athletic competition, or whether there's something else involved. It *looks* to me as though there is, not so much in terms of height and distance--although that's part of it versus the apparent effort being exerted--but more in the force of the touchdowns, even on foam. Ballet dancers can touch down in such a way that it looks like they weigh almost nothing, but they do it with their legs extended so they act as shock absorbers. In full lotus, there isn't much to work with in that respect. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
On Oct 18, 2005, at 10:05 AM, authfriend wrote: Well, they're not teaching hopping, they're teaching flying, so it would be dishonest to say the former. They are not teaching flying, they are teaching how to repeat phrases mentally X number of times, suggesting that when you do, a desire to hop should come over you. That's it. All of the silly rationalizations in the world will not change that. They have never shown how hopping can become flying--with good reason, as they can't. And originally, as many have pointed out, the flying and hopping language was interchangeable. At any rate, they routinely talk about the three stages of Yogic Flying, identifying the first as hopping like a frog, and saying that's the most that has been achieved so far. When was the last time you saw a frog fly, Judy? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/17/05 11:34 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even now though, when Maharishi and others talk about it, they imply that something other than muscular thrust is causing the body to lift up, i.e., that Newtonian physics is being defied, which it isn't. What do you think accounts for the phenomenon that some people *appear* not to be exerting enough muscular effort to hop as high and as far as they do? I hop like a Mack truck myself, but I've seen folks hop in a way that just doesn't seem right to my kinesthetic sense of how people move in relation to their weight. Ever see Michael Jordan play basketball in his prime? A physically fit person can make moves that appear to defy gravity, but don't. Yeah, but in full lotus? I realized after I wrote the above that it isn't so much the height and distance versus the effort apparently being expended, as it is the lightness of the touchdowns, even on foam. When Jordan lands after a leap, he has the full length of his legs to act as shock absorbers. And even with athletes like Jordan, or ballet dancers, I don't get the same sense that something is awry in my eye's calculation of what it *should* look like when a particular body lands. I do believe people can levitate and even that people in the TM movement may have done so momentarily on rare occasions, but I doubt it has ever happened regularly in group flying sessions. There was an old guy named Elliot who was a plumber at MIU-CNL in DC and later at MUM. A friend of mine, whom I believe, told me that Elliot went through a phase when he first got the sidhis where he was levitating a lot. Couldn't even sit on the toilet sometimes without floating into the air. My friend said he saw him (not necessarily the toilet episode) and took pictures. I'll see if I can get them, scan them, and post them. The TMO might be *very* interested in such photos... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
On Oct 18, 2005, at 2:04 AM, peterklutz wrote: Moreover, Christ was not a 'bourgeoiuse revolutionary' or PhD that changed side - but a salt-of-the-earth working man. You've got to be kidding. Let's see, he was supposedly a direct descendant of David, the most exalted lineage in ancient Israel. He received the best education of the time, learning Scripture at a very young age, younger than most, and continuing throughout the rest of his life. Then, while there is a large gap when it is not clear what he was doing, there is no evidence that his situation at that point was anything comparable to working-class. I would say bourgeois revolutionary pretty much sums it up. It would be like your small town car-mechanic, grease on his hands and all, stepped out of his garage and started to do these things and perform those miracles.. Hardly.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I ask again: Were you suggesting Bevan is insincere in his apparent devotion to MMY? Well, to be completely honest, the thought never crossed my mind. But now that you bring it up, my personal experience with Bevan was that he was insincere in *all* of his interactions with other human beings, so I consider it possible that this trend extends to Maharishi. But this has nothing whatsoever to do with being a toady. One can be quite sincere in one's sucking up and still be a toady. I didn't ask whether you were suggesting his sucking up was insincere, but whether you thought his apparent devotion to MMY was insincere. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] In Fairfield: Ben Jerry's Oreo budget mobile
Title: In Fairfield: Ben Jerry's Oreo budget mobile TrueMajority's OreoMobile coming to Fairfield Come on over to the Town Square at 12:00 noon, Thursday Where: the South Side of the Town Square When: 12:00 noon, Thursday, October 20th What: OreoMobile presentation at the Town Square Dear Robert, Join fellow TrueMajority members this Thursday in welcoming the OreoMobile to the beautiful town of Fairfield! Look for the OreoMobile at the south side of the Town Square, where a special presentation for area residents will start at 12:00 noon. The OreoMobile, designed by Ben of Ben and Jerry's, shows where your taxes go in a quick, fun, eye-opening presentation. Learn about the OreoMobile tour and the issues involved, get a free TrueMajority pull-out pen, talk to your TrueMajority neighbors, and, of course, eat some Oreos. But the sweetest part will be seeing the OreoMobile itself. Learn more at www.showmethemoney.net http://www.showmethemoney.net/ and be sure to check the ride and the presentation out in person in Fairfield on Thursday. The OreoMobile's 12-foot stacks of giant Oreo cookies- towed on a flatbed trailer- represent how much of our federal taxes go to education, kids' healthcare, job training, the Pentagon, and more. In 15-minute shows in towns across Iowa, using giant Oreos as props, OreoMobile actors explains how the American people, including the citizens of Iowa, want their federal taxes spent- and how this squares with how Congress currently allocates its budget. The OreoMobile show explains how Congress can easily- and safely- align federal spending priorities with those of the citizens of Iowa and the American people. If the Pentagon trims $35 billion currently wasted on obsolete, Cold War weapons, not only could the US begin reducing the deficit and save the lives of millions of starving kids in impoverished countries, but New Hampshire would receive enough money to: 1) provide a year's worth of health insurance to all the kids in the state who don't have it, 2) renovate its crumbling schools over ten years, and 3) offer job training to half of Iowa workers who were laid off by large companies last year. I hope to see you on Thursday, Aaron Rubin TrueMajority's OreoMobile Driver P.S. Learn more about the OreoMobile tour at www.showmethemoney.net. http://www.showmethemoney.net./ spc_eee1.gif Description: Binary data
[FairfieldLife] Yogic Flying, was: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
on 10/18/05 10:05 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ballet dancers can touch down in such a way that it looks like they weigh almost nothing, but they do it with their legs extended so they act as shock absorbers. In full lotus, there isn't much to work with in that respect. Yes there is. You kind of land on your knees then bring your butt down. And even if you land butt-first, it doesn't matter much, given the heights involved. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 18, 2005, at 10:05 AM, authfriend wrote: Well, they're not teaching hopping, they're teaching flying, so it would be dishonest to say the former. They are not teaching flying, they are teaching how to repeat phrases mentally X number of times, suggesting that when you do, a desire to hop should come over you. That's it. All of the silly rationalizations in the world will not change that. I'd say what you just wrote is the silly rationalization. You could also say piano lessons teach you how to push down the keys of a piano. That's just playing with words. They're teaching a technique that they expect, or say they expect, to enable you to fly. They have never shown how hopping can become flying--with good reason, as they can't. Assuming they could, how *would* they show that, exactly? I don't know what you mean by how hopping can become flying. I mean, on the face of it, hopping could become flying if you didn't come down after rising into the air. If you're saying they can't demonstrate not coming down, that isn't in contention. So I'm confused as to what point you're making. And originally, as many have pointed out, the flying and hopping language was interchangeable. True, I've pointed that out myself. But my *point* was that this has changed. At any rate, they routinely talk about the three stages of Yogic Flying, identifying the first as hopping like a frog, and saying that's the most that has been achieved so far. When was the last time you saw a frog fly, Judy? Seems like a non sequitur. The issue here was whether they ever refer to hopping rather than flying. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I ask again: Were you suggesting Bevan is insincere in his apparent devotion to MMY? Well, to be completely honest, the thought never crossed my mind. But now that you bring it up, my personal experience with Bevan was that he was insincere in *all* of his interactions with other human beings, so I consider it possible that this trend extends to Maharishi. But this has nothing whatsoever to do with being a toady. One can be quite sincere in one's sucking up and still be a toady. I didn't ask whether you were suggesting his sucking up was insincere, but whether you thought his apparent devotion to MMY was insincere. Well, in that case, my first answer above applies. I'd never given it a moment's thought. My issue is with the toadiness, not with the sincerity or insincerity of his devotion. If that's your concern, you can ponder it all you want. The only thing I can think of to say on the subject is that if his devotion is apparent, it's because he *wants* it to be apparent. That is, my suspicion is that his desire is more to be *perceived* as devoted than it is to be devoted. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 18, 2005, at 2:04 AM, peterklutz wrote: Moreover, Christ was not a 'bourgeoiuse revolutionary' or PhD that changed side - but a salt-of-the-earth working man. You've got to be kidding. Let's see, he was supposedly a direct descendant of David, the most exalted lineage in ancient Israel. He received the best education of the time, learning Scripture at a very young age, younger than most, and continuing throughout the rest of his life. Then, while there is a large gap when it is not clear what he was doing, there is no evidence that his situation at that point was anything comparable to working-class. I would say bourgeois revolutionary pretty much sums it up. I've read that the words used to describe the occupation of Joseph, Jesus' worldly father, are mistranslated as carpenter. They actually mean something more like cabinet maker, i.e., not just a common laborer but a highly skilled craftsman who makes quality furniture. That in itself might put Jesus in the middle class (especially if Joseph had employees doing the actual work). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield: Ben Jerry's Oreo budget mobile
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip and, of course, eat some Oreos. Better yet, *don't* eat some Oreos. They're full of trans-fat. They've just came out with *whole wheat* Oreos in a bid to attract the health-food crowd. I was delighted until I looked at the label and saw that they're still using partially hydrogenated oil. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 17, 2005, at 10:57 PM, sparaig wrote: [...] Funky, I STILL believe or tentatively believe that TM is the best mediation technique, and unique, to boot. I thought you no longer practiced it? Not with perfect regularity. I usually manage to get in one complete program a day, and if I'm lucky, 2. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flying, was: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/18/05 10:05 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ballet dancers can touch down in such a way that it looks like they weigh almost nothing, but they do it with their legs extended so they act as shock absorbers. In full lotus, there isn't much to work with in that respect. Yes there is. You kind of land on your knees then bring your butt down. And even if you land butt-first, it doesn't matter much, given the heights involved. I'm not convinced this could account for what I'm talking about, but I'll bear it in mind next time I see a flying video. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't get that Lawson was comparing specific characteristics, just noting that many people of Jesus' time didn't approve of his behavior-- socializing with prostitutes and tax collectors and such, healing on the Sabbath, etc. Different expectations, but the same tendency to be disapproving if they weren't fulfilled. Yes, because he was doing what he knew to be right, not conforming to someone else's standards. Bevan? This brings up an interesting question -- can one be enlightened and at the same time be a total toady? Define total toady. Main Entry: toady Pronunciation: 'tO-dE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural toad·ies Etymology: by shortening alteration from toadeater : one who flatters in the hope of gaining favors synonym : SYCOPHANT -- a servile self-seeking flatterer synonym : PARASITE -- one who clings to a person of wealth, power, or influence or is useless to society That, only totally. :-) That's not Bevan at all, then. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
Very possible. I've also read some commentaries that speculate that the carpentry actually applied to Joseph, and was used by early writers in order to give Jesus more of a down-to-earth aura, so to speak. Then again, as all educated Jewish men of the time were required to also learn a trade in order to later support a family, it's possible that carpentry was what he learned, albeit at a higher level than most. Whatever, it is still not easy to imagine him actually pounding nails, at least on a regular basis, and no evidence that I can recall from my few readings of the Gospels that he ever did so. Sal On Oct 18, 2005, at 10:39 AM, authfriend wrote: I've read that the words used to describe the occupation of Joseph, Jesus' worldly father, are mistranslated as carpenter. They actually mean something more like cabinet maker, i.e., not just a common laborer but a highly skilled craftsman who makes quality furniture. That in itself might put Jesus in the middle class (especially if Joseph had employees doing the actual work).
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paula Youmans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be like your small town car-mechanic, grease on his hands and all, stepped out of his garage and started to do these things and perform those miracles.. Oh boy, would this scare the establishment? Not as much as if it was a girl lol How sad is that :P THe original post was a reference to one of the Richard Bach stories, wasn't it? The Reluctant Messiah or somesuch? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
On Oct 18, 2005, at 11:39 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 18, 2005, at 2:04 AM, peterklutz wrote: Moreover, Christ was not a 'bourgeoiuse revolutionary' or PhD that changed side - but a salt-of-the-earth working man. You've got to be kidding. Let's see, he was supposedly a direct descendant of David, the most exalted lineage in ancient Israel. He received the best education of the time, learning Scripture at a very young age, younger than most, and continuing throughout the rest of his life. Then, while there is a large gap when it is not clear what he was doing, there is no evidence that his situation at that point was anything comparable to working-class. I would say "bourgeois revolutionary" pretty much sums it up. I've read that the words used to describe the occupation of Joseph, Jesus' "worldly" father, are mistranslated as "carpenter." They actually mean something more like "cabinet maker," i.e., not just a common laborer but a highly skilled craftsman who makes quality furniture. That in itself might put Jesus in the middle class (especially if Joseph had employees doing the actual work). Actually the Aramaic word for carpenter, naggar, also means "scholar". "Carpenter" may be one of the most bizarre mistranslations of all time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't get that Lawson was comparing specific characteristics, just noting that many people of Jesus' time didn't approve of his behavior-- socializing with prostitutes and tax collectors and such, healing on the Sabbath, etc. Different expectations, but the same tendency to be disapproving if they weren't fulfilled. Yes, because he was doing what he knew to be right, not conforming to someone else's standards. Bevan? This brings up an interesting question -- can one be enlightened and at the same time be a total toady? Define total toady. Main Entry: toady Pronunciation: 'tO-dE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural toad·ies Etymology: by shortening alteration from toadeater : one who flatters in the hope of gaining favors synonym : SYCOPHANT -- a servile self-seeking flatterer synonym : PARASITE -- one who clings to a person of wealth, power, or influence or is useless to society That, only totally. :-) So you're suggesting Bevan is insincere in his apparent devotion to MMY? I merely asked a theoretical question about the nature of enlightenment and whether it was con- sistent with toadyhood. It seems to me that enlightenment (which I think all of us agree is pretty much a useless term, but one we're stuck with) would be pretty wasted on a person who drew his or her primary sense of identity from the person of power, wealth or influence he or she had attached himself to. My feeling is that, because the universe is infinite, someone *could* possibly go that route, but it would be a lot like Sir Laurence Olivier becoming a fawning member of Ralph Macchio's entourage so that he could hang around with him all the time. :-) So Bhakti is impossible for someone who is not enlightened (at least to CC), according to MMY, and is impossible for someone who is, according to you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This brings up an interesting question -- can one be enlightened and at the same time be a total toady? snip to So you're suggesting Bevan is insincere in his apparent devotion to MMY? I merely asked a theoretical question about the nature of enlightenment and whether it was con- sistent with toadyhood. It seems to me that enlightenment (which I think all of us agree is pretty much a useless term, but one we're stuck with) would be pretty wasted on a person who drew his or her primary sense of identity from the person of power, wealth or influence he or she had attached himself to. My feeling is that, because the universe is infinite, someone *could* possibly go that route, but it would be a lot like Sir Laurence Olivier becoming a fawning member of Ralph Macchio's entourage so that he could hang around with him all the time. :-) So Bhakti is impossible for someone who is not enlightened (at least to CC), according to MMY, and is impossible for someone who is, according to you. I don't really understand your point. I said nothing about possibilities. I asked a question that I don't know the answer to. And for the record...I don't really much care about according to MMY. That phrase has about as much value for me as according to Joe Blow. I don't really hold Maharishi to be much of an authority about much. If you do, that's fine. I just said that I thought it would be pretty silly to get enlightened and then spend the rest of the incarnation being a toady. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So Bhakti is impossible for someone who is not enlightened (at least to CC), according to MMY, and is impossible for someone who is, according to you. In the Bhakti Sutras of Narada different types of bhakti are deliniated. They are basically tamasic, rajasic, sattvic and parabhakti. Of course anything prior to parabhakti is moodmaking in a certain sense, but that does not make it useless by a long shot. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/17/05 9:20 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not the way it started out though. That's why there was a lawsuit about false advertising. Right, but you used the present tense, as though they were still doing it, when they've been honest about it for decades. Even now though, when Maharishi and others talk about it, they imply that something other than muscular thrust is causing the body to lift up, i.e., that Newtonian physics is being defied, which it isn't The TMO NEVER says the word hopping and ALWAYS uses the wordss flying or levitation when talking about the sidhis, in press conferences, in any public discussion. It's absurd to say the TMO is honest in saying they are teaching hopping. ??? You're just plain wrong here. http://www.alltm.org/YFlying.html [...] The physical manifestations of the Yogic Flying vary with the practitioner. The Yoga Sutras of Mahrishi Patanjali describes three stages of immediately visible results. Stage One is generally associated with what would best be described as hopping like a frog. Stage Two is flying through the air for a short time. Stage Three is complete mastery of the sky. The above photo and all Yogic Flying demonstrations to date depict Stage One results. http://www.maharishi-india.org/programmes/p2sidhi.html [...] Yogic Flying One aspect of the TM-Sidhi programme is called Yogic Flying. During the first stage of Yogic Flying, the body lifts up and moves forward in short hops. Subjectively one experiences exhilaration, lightness, and bliss. EEG studies show that during this practice, at the moment the body lifts up, coherence and integration is maximum in brain wave activity. This optimum coherence in brain functioning creates perfect mind/body co-ordination which is expressed by Yogic Flying. The winners in the FLYING competitions are always ex-athletes, often ex-gymnists, never the Bevans of the world. If it's really levitation why do the Bevans of the world always look like they're straining to get 1/2inch off the ground at best. (If you've never been in the men's dome, take my word for it). It is muscle power, afterall, at least during the hopping stage. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I¹ve attached 6 scanned pages from a new book by David Carse, entitled Perfect Brilliant Stillness¹ from a chapter entitled 'Confused Thinking. David discusses the nature of true awakeness relative to all the expectations of becoming enlightened¹ that have entranced eons of seekers. And you and David know better while the eons of seekers don't... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [bogiyogibusters] Some other voices on the role of practice in awakening Hello Shannon, Enjoyed the quotations from Hartong's newsletter. Enjoyed your little movie of the woman doing yoga and being suckled in the process. How 'bout them Broncs! Plummer is really getting it. Love, Rob Yahoo! Groups Links YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group bogiyogibusters http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bogiyogibusters on the web. * * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] subject=Unsubscribe * * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . -- End of Forwarded Message Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flying, was: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/18/05 2:49 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/17/05 1:43 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I think the TM-Sidhi program is great and I'm not a TB by any stretch of the imagination. It took years of regular practice before I noticed anything though and then did I notice!! I practiced regularly for 25 years and didn't notice anything... What about the people around you? They are often the ones who notice the changes rather than ourselves. Uns. I'm sure that all those thousands of hours of practice had an effect, but I never experienced a flavor or result on a sutra. How interesting. I was having flavor experiences for every one of the sutras at one point or another during the course. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I ask again: Were you suggesting Bevan is insincere in his apparent devotion to MMY? Well, to be completely honest, the thought never crossed my mind. But now that you bring it up, my personal experience with Bevan was that he was insincere in *all* of his interactions with other human beings, so I consider it possible that this trend extends to Maharishi. But this has nothing whatsoever to do with being a toady. One can be quite sincere in one's sucking up and still be a toady. Not by the definition you gave. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakening
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/18/05 11:14 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I¹ve attached 6 scanned pages from a new book by David Carse, entitled Perfect Brilliant Stillness¹ from a chapter entitled 'Confused Thinking. David discusses the nature of true awakeness relative to all the expectations of becoming enlightened¹ that have entranced eons of seekers. And you and David know better while the eons of seekers don't... I don't know squat. I just posted something I thought people would enjoy reading. How long have you experienced clear squat consciousness? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flying, was: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/18/05 10:05 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ballet dancers can touch down in such a way that it looks like they weigh almost nothing, but they do it with their legs extended so they act as shock absorbers. In full lotus, there isn't much to work with in that respect. Yes there is. You kind of land on your knees then bring your butt down. And even if you land butt-first, it doesn't matter much, given the heights involved. Hmmm... I'd say that you're wrong. Landing wrong could screw up your back horribly, even on foam from a fall of one foot if you just casually flopped to the floor butt-first. Whatever the involvement of muscles, the yogic fliers appear to spontaneously (usually) land well. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I ask again: Were you suggesting Bevan is insincere in his apparent devotion to MMY? Well, to be completely honest, the thought never crossed my mind. But now that you bring it up, my personal experience with Bevan was that he was insincere in *all* of his interactions with other human beings, so I consider it possible that this trend extends to Maharishi. But this has nothing whatsoever to do with being a toady. One can be quite sincere in one's sucking up and still be a toady. I didn't ask whether you were suggesting his sucking up was insincere, but whether you thought his apparent devotion to MMY was insincere. Well, in that case, my first answer above applies. I'd never given it a moment's thought. My issue is with the toadiness, not with the sincerity or insincerity of his devotion. If that's your concern, you can ponder it all you want. The only thing I can think of to say on the subject is that if his devotion is apparent, it's because he *wants* it to be apparent. That is, my suspicion is that his desire is more to be *perceived* as devoted than it is to be devoted. Do you think that Bevan has NOT adopted the general goals of the TMO as his own? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield: Ben Jerry's Oreo budget mobile
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip and, of course, eat some Oreos. Better yet, *don't* eat some Oreos. They're full of trans-fat. They've just came out with *whole wheat* Oreos in a bid to attract the health-food crowd. I was delighted until I looked at the label and saw that they're still using partially hydrogenated oil. Eat Trader Joe's JO-JOs instead. Much better tasting, probably better for you and half the price. I avoid them like the plague. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awakening
I don't know squat. I just posted something I thought people would enjoy reading. How long have you experienced clear squat consciousness? I am squat, thou art squat, all this is nothing but squat. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So Bhakti is impossible for someone who is not enlightened (at least to CC), according to MMY, and is impossible for someone who is, according to you. In the Bhakti Sutras of Narada different types of bhakti are deliniated. They are basically tamasic, rajasic, sattvic and parabhakti. Of course anything prior to parabhakti is moodmaking in a certain sense, but that does not make it useless by a long shot. Since MMY's description of his relationship with Guru Dev sounds very Bhakti-esque, I'm sure he would agree. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Awakening
Rick, Ever wonder why so many of these endless treatises on awakening are so good at putting people to sleep? Beats Sominex any day. Sal On Oct 18, 2005, at 9:26 AM, Rick Archer wrote: x-tad-biggerI’ve attached 6 scanned pages from a new book by David Carse, entitled ‘Perfect Brilliant Stillness’ from a chapter entitled 'Confused Thinking. David discusses the nature of true awakeness relative to all the expectations of ‘becoming enlightened’ that have entranced eons of seekers./x-tad-bigger
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flying, was: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/18/05 2:49 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/17/05 1:43 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I think the TM-Sidhi program is great and I'm not a TB by any stretch of the imagination. It took years of regular practice before I noticed anything though and then did I notice!! I practiced regularly for 25 years and didn't notice anything... What about the people around you? They are often the ones who notice the changes rather than ourselves. Uns. I'm sure that all those thousands of hours of practice had an effect, but I never experienced a flavor or result on a sutra. How interesting. I was having flavor experiences for every one of the sutras at one point or another during the course. The sutras pull you into CC. The concrete results of the sutras (i.e., a particular siddhi) are completely secondary. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/18/05 11:14 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I¹ve attached 6 scanned pages from a new book by David Carse, entitled Perfect Brilliant Stillness¹ from a chapter entitled 'Confused Thinking. David discusses the nature of true awakeness relative to all the expectations of becoming enlightened¹ that have entranced eons of seekers. And you and David know better while the eons of seekers don't... I don't know squat. I just posted something I thought people would enjoy reading. IN which case you should have said discusses what HE BELIEVES is the nature of true awakeness relative to all expectations... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was NOva Scotia - Now Flying, Hopping, Wright Brothers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you think accounts for the phenomenon that some people *appear* not to be exerting enough muscular effort to hop as high and as far as they do? I hop like a Mack truck myself, but I've seen folks hop in a way that just doesn't seem right to my kinesthetic sense of how people move in relation to their weight. Ever see Michael Jordan play basketball in his prime? A physically fit person can make moves that appear to defy gravity, but don't. Yeah, but in full lotus? I realized after I wrote the above that it isn't so much the height and distance versus the effort apparently being expended, as it is the lightness of the touchdowns, even on foam. When Jordan lands after a leap, he has the full length of his legs to act as shock absorbers. And even with athletes like Jordan, or ballet dancers, I don't get the same sense that something is awry in my eye's calculation of what it *should* look like when a particular body lands. Anyone in good shape, esp strong leg muscles, knows that full lotus is no barrier whatsoever to using leg muscles to lift the body into the air. That's why the best flyers are always people in good athletic shape. I flew in large groups for decades, 2 hrs per day for some years, and never saw a soft landing. Take the foam shock absorbers out of the domes and see why kind of flying goes on, little to none because it would be too painful over time. The subjective perceptions of levitation by people who have drunk the kool-aid is not evidence enough - you need objective evidence which has not been produced in almost 30 yrs. I'm not saying that hopping is fake or just physical, I think there is some kind of mind-body connection going on some of the time. Rick's pt on Jordan is right on - the great athletes are not just in great physical shape, but achieve a unique mind-body coordination that allows them to do feats that seem supernatural to the rest of us. If you read their books you find them describing a subjective experience of great witnessing-like stillness and perfect coordination between mind and body at the same time they're achieving these physical feats. Having been an athlete in my early life, I found the flying technique very natural and reminiscent of how I felt during my best athletic performances. I think there is probably also a psychological dynamic going on - a few yrs ago we had an experienced ericksonian hypnotist in this forum who explained the correlations between that proven system of influencing the mind/body and MMY's techniques. PLus the fact that flying is better in groups and was so much better in the 70s than now also points to some group psychological effect in action to me. So I think there is flowing shakti-energy and some kind of mind-body coordination going on in the flying technique, which produces the hopping phenomenon and which combined with a well conditioned athletic body will result in impressive hops. I think having this experience for some amount of time might be very beneficial for many people, though harmful for people with preexisting imbalances. I don't think it's supernatural or will ever result in levitation or world peace. Plus I have my doubts of its spiritual value for people who have been it with the exact same results for 20-30 yrs - I keep hearing of more healers out there who say long term practice of the flying-sidhi damages the energetic structure and health of the person. PS - Regarding the highly publicized perfect EEG coherence during lift-off, in 1981 I talked a respected Berkeley scientist into trying to replicate that study, but she informed me during the planning stage that it is impossible to get accurate EEG data while the body is moving in that manner (she watched a hopping demonstration). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flying, was: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
Chocolate or vanilla? On Oct 18, 2005, at 11:29 AM, sparaig wrote: > How interesting. I was having flavor experiences > for every one of > the sutras at one point or another during the > course.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know squat. I just posted something I thought people would enjoy reading. How long have you experienced clear squat consciousness? I am squat, thou art squat, all this is nothing but squat. We squat, dude. [apologies to RA Heinlein] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I ask again: Were you suggesting Bevan is insincere in his apparent devotion to MMY? Well, to be completely honest, the thought never crossed my mind. But now that you bring it up, my personal experience with Bevan was that he was insincere in *all* of his interactions with other human beings, so I consider it possible that this trend extends to Maharishi. But this has nothing whatsoever to do with being a toady. One can be quite sincere in one's sucking up and still be a toady. Not by the definition you gave. Did you put your underpants on upside down or something today, Lawson? You seem more antagon- istic than usual. Here is the definition I posted, straight from Merriam-Webster. Could you please point out to me any language in it about either sincerity or insincerity? Main Entry: toady Pronunciation: 'tO-dE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural toad·ies Etymology: by shortening alteration from toadeater : one who flatters in the hope of gaining favors synonym : SYCOPHANT -- a servile self-seeking flatterer synonym : PARASITE -- one who clings to a person of wealth, power, or influence or is useless to society ONe who flatters in the hope of gaining favors... You're saying that Bevan sucks up to MMY in the hope of gaining favors from him rather than for the sake of being around him --unless you define favors as the expectation of being around him... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
The only thing I can think of to say on the subject is that if his [Bevan's] devotion is apparent, it's because he *wants* it to be apparent. That is, my suspicion is that his desire is more to be *perceived* as devoted than it is to be devoted. Do you think that Bevan has NOT adopted the general goals of the TMO as his own? I can only hope that you're asking out of curiosity and don't think that your question follows from what I said. To satisfy your curiosity, I've never thought about it and don't intend to start now. A person can believe thoroughly in the goals of the organization of which he is a part and *at the same time* be a total attention sucker, in it for egoic reasons. The two are not in any way incompatible. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Flying, was: press report: Peace Palace in Nova Scotia, Canada
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/18/05 2:49 AM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/17/05 1:43 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I think the TM-Sidhi program is great and I'm not a TB by any stretch of the imagination. It took years of regular practice before I noticed anything though and then did I notice!! I practiced regularly for 25 years and didn't notice anything... What about the people around you? They are often the ones who notice the changes rather than ourselves. Uns. I'm sure that all those thousands of hours of practice had an effect, but I never experienced a flavor or result on a sutra. How interesting. I was having flavor experiences for every one of the sutras at one point or another during the course. The sutras pull you into CC. The concrete results of the sutras (i.e., a particular siddhi) are completely secondary. Actually, I think the sutras pull you into Unity. Having a flavor is an indication of CC heading towards unity -- IMNSHO of course... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakening
on 10/18/05 11:29 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IN which case you should have said discusses what HE BELIEVES is the nature of true awakeness relative to all expectations... Forgive me sir. As far as I'm concerned anything anyone says in an opinion, so it goes without saying. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Was Nova Scotia - Now Flying, Hopping, Wright Brothers
on 10/18/05 11:30 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone in good shape, esp strong leg muscles, knows that full lotus is no barrier whatsoever to using leg muscles to lift the body into the air. That's why the best flyers are always people in good athletic shape. I flew in large groups for decades, 2 hrs per day for some years, and never saw a soft landing. Take the foam shock absorbers out of the domes and see why kind of flying goes on, little to none because it would be too painful over time. When we had yogic flying demonstrations in India we couldn't get good foam. Just funky mattresses. The champion yogic flyers looked like ungainly toads. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only thing I can think of to say on the subject is that if his [Bevan's] devotion is apparent, it's because he *wants* it to be apparent. That is, my suspicion is that his desire is more to be *perceived* as devoted than it is to be devoted. Do you think that Bevan has NOT adopted the general goals of the TMO as his own? I can only hope that you're asking out of curiosity and don't think that your question follows from what I said. To satisfy your curiosity, I've never thought about it and don't intend to start now. A person can believe thoroughly in the goals of the organization of which he is a part and *at the same time* be a total attention sucker, in it for egoic reasons. The two are not in any way incompatible. Who is Bevan being a toady for, if not MMY? I agree he sucks up to visiting personages, but that's partof the job description, I think. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was NOva Scotia - Now Flying, Hopping, Wright Brothers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you think accounts for the phenomenon that some people *appear* not to be exerting enough muscular effort to hop as high and as far as they do? I hop like a Mack truck myself, but I've seen folks hop in a way that just doesn't seem right to my kinesthetic sense of how people move in relation to their weight. Ever see Michael Jordan play basketball in his prime? A physically fit person can make moves that appear to defy gravity, but don't. Yeah, but in full lotus? I realized after I wrote the above that it isn't so much the height and distance versus the effort apparently being expended, as it is the lightness of the touchdowns, even on foam. When Jordan lands after a leap, he has the full length of his legs to act as shock absorbers. And even with athletes like Jordan, or ballet dancers, I don't get the same sense that something is awry in my eye's calculation of what it *should* look like when a particular body lands. Anyone in good shape, esp strong leg muscles, knows that full lotus is no barrier whatsoever to using leg muscles to lift the body into the air. That's why the best flyers are always people in good athletic shape. I flew in large groups for decades, 2 hrs per day for some years, and never saw a soft landing. Take the foam shock absorbers out of the domes and see why kind of flying goes on, little to none because it would be too painful over time. The subjective perceptions of levitation by people who have drunk the kool-aid is not evidence enough - you need objective evidence which has not been produced in almost 30 yrs. I'm not saying that hopping is fake or just physical, I think there is some kind of mind-body connection going on some of the time. Rick's pt on Jordan is right on - the great athletes are not just in great physical shape, but achieve a unique mind-body coordination that allows them to do feats that seem supernatural to the rest of us. If you read their books you find them describing a subjective experience of great witnessing-like stillness and perfect coordination between mind and body at the same time they're achieving these physical feats. Having been an athlete in my early life, I found the flying technique very natural and reminiscent of how I felt during my best athletic performances. I think there is probably also a psychological dynamic going on - a few yrs ago we had an experienced ericksonian hypnotist in this forum who explained the correlations between that proven system of influencing the mind/body and MMY's techniques. PLus the fact that flying is better in groups and was so much better in the 70s than now also points to some group psychological effect in action to me. So I think there is flowing shakti-energy and some kind of mind-body coordination going on in the flying technique, which produces the hopping phenomenon and which combined with a well conditioned athletic body will result in impressive hops. I think having this experience for some amount of time might be very beneficial for many people, though harmful for people with preexisting imbalances. I don't think it's supernatural or will ever result in levitation or world peace. Plus I have my doubts of its spiritual value for people who have been it with the exact same results for 20-30 yrs - I keep hearing of more healers out there who say long term practice of the flying-sidhi damages the energetic structure and health of the person. PS - Regarding the highly publicized perfect EEG coherence during lift-off, in 1981 I talked a respected Berkeley scientist into trying to replicate that study, but she informed me during the planning stage that it is impossible to get accurate EEG data while the body is moving in that manner (she watched a hopping demonstration). Which is why they say at the point of liftoff rather than during flying... BTW, my uncle, a professor of clinical psychology at Dartmoth (at one time though he lost tenure) commented that an experienced person could still get at least some sense of what was going on in the EEG, even during the Yogic FLying hopping stage. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I ask again: Were you suggesting Bevan is insincere in his apparent devotion to MMY? Well, to be completely honest, the thought never crossed my mind. But now that you bring it up, my personal experience with Bevan was that he was insincere in *all* of his interactions with other human beings, so I consider it possible that this trend extends to Maharishi. But this has nothing whatsoever to do with being a toady. One can be quite sincere in one's sucking up and still be a toady. Not by the definition you gave. Did you put your underpants on upside down or something today, Lawson? You seem more antagon- istic than usual. Here is the definition I posted, straight from Merriam-Webster. Could you please point out to me any language in it about either sincerity or insincerity? Main Entry: toady Pronunciation: 'tO-dE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural toad·ies Etymology: by shortening alteration from toadeater : one who flatters in the hope of gaining favors synonym : SYCOPHANT -- a servile self-seeking flatterer synonym : PARASITE -- one who clings to a person of wealth, power, or influence or is useless to society ONe who flatters in the hope of gaining favors... So? The flatterer can be perfectly sincere in the flattery, and *at the same time* hope to gain favors from it. You're saying that Bevan sucks up to MMY in the hope of gaining favors from him rather than for the sake of being around him -- unless you define favors as the expectation of being around him... Well, duh! :-) OF COURSE that's the biggest self-interest favor for anyone who thinks that being around a guru is cool or beneficial. You toady up to the teacher in order to get to spend more time around the teacher. Duh! Other favors that are sought by spiritual toadies include being perceived by other students as being more special than they are, or as having more access to the guru than they do. These are common mental games played in ALL spiritual organizations. I don't understand what you're on about. It's like you're trying to get me to say that Bevan is somehow nefarious. I don't think he's nefarious. He quite possibly believes all the stuff he spouts about Sat Yuga and World Peace and all that. It's just that *at the same time*, my experience around him suggests to me that his primary motivation in life is being perceived as special. I could be wrong about that, of course, but that was my impression. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Basis of Dharma
Jaya Guru Datta Moolam svaroopam saranishcha rakshaa Dharmasya nityasya ya eka eva Dharma pravaaho guru shishya naalyaam Yashcha svayam gurudatta meede (Sri Datta Dhyaana Maalika) He is the basis of the Eternal Dharma. He is verily the embodiment of Dharma. He is the path and He is the protector. He Himself is the stream of Dharma which manifests in the channel of Guru-Shishya tradition. I prostrate to that Lord Dattatreya. Sri Guru Datta Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddhis culture Samadhi NOT... reply to Cardemaister
* If they (vibhutis) do not lead one to this state, they will be called as ÒsiddhisÓ and not vibhutis. Siddhis hinder samadhi and lead one to ÒvyuththanataÓ (becoming outward). Therefore, Patanjali has stated thus: ÒTe samaadhaavupasargaah vyuththaane siddhayahÓ or ÒOne who is after siddhis cannot achieve vibhuti yoga.Ó --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same old tired rant, and an extremely free translation. Sour grapes, I suspect. I think it's Bhoja who comments on that suutra e.g. like this (from memory): te praakpratipaaditaaH samaahitacittasyodpadyamaanaa... I don't think he would use the word praak-prati-paaditaaH to qualify te in his commentary unless in his opinion the demonstrative pronoun te in te samaadhaav upasargaa vyutthaane siddhayaH refers only to the siddhis mentioned in the previous suutra (the refined senses, or stuff) not all the suutras. Well, at least that's a possibility... Jaya Guru Datta Great example of someone recently said about the ego in this group. Sour Grapes, I suspect..I don't think.. Well, at least that's a possibility ? With such a self assured commentary presented above, your expertise is clear. Your attempts to turn amrita into ordure make it obvious: Who has the sour grapes. Whose rant sounds tired. Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji is the source of the above. He turns grapes into rudraksha, and akasha into Vibhuti, literally. From Adi Shankara's Guru Ashtakam Shadangaadhi Vedo Mukhe Shastra Vidhyaa Kavitva aadhi Gadhyam Supadhyam Karoti Guro Ranghri Padme Manasche Na Lagnam Tatah kim Tatah kim Tatah kim Tatah kim Shadangas, Vedas, Shastras, many studies are on the tip of one's tongue. He can lecture on them eloquently. He can instantaneously say poetry. He gets many praises and titles. His mind doesn't set at the feet of Guru. Then what is the use? All these are a waste. Sri Guru Datta Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
THe original post was a reference to one of the Richard Bach stories, wasn't it? The Reluctant Messiah or somesuch? Hmmdont remember. Im fairly certain though that anyone who comes out performing messiah-like feats openly is going to pretty much get slaughtered. No matter who or what the person is. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Shurangama Sutra and TMer's Proclaiming their enlightenment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I ask again: Were you suggesting Bevan is insincere in his apparent devotion to MMY? Well, to be completely honest, the thought never crossed my mind. But now that you bring it up, my personal experience with Bevan was that he was insincere in *all* of his interactions with other human beings, so I consider it possible that this trend extends to Maharishi. But this has nothing whatsoever to do with being a toady. One can be quite sincere in one's sucking up and still be a toady. Not by the definition you gave. Did you put your underpants on upside down or something today, Lawson? You seem more antagon- istic than usual. Here is the definition I posted, straight from Merriam-Webster. Could you please point out to me any language in it about either sincerity or insincerity? Main Entry: toady Pronunciation: 'tO-dE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural toad·ies Etymology: by shortening alteration from toadeater : one who flatters in the hope of gaining favors synonym : SYCOPHANT -- a servile self-seeking flatterer synonym : PARASITE -- one who clings to a person of wealth, power, or influence or is useless to society The definition and the first synonym both very strongly imply insincerity. The second at least suggests it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Energy and Siddhis
Energy (Sri Ganapati Sachchidananda SwamijiÕs discourse during the Kriya Yoga Camp, USA, 1986) This is a story about Ramakrishna, a great saint who lived in Calcutta. One day Ramakrishna and a Yogi friend were going to visit a temple on the far side of the Ganges river. Ramakrishna hired a boatman for one rupee to ferry him across the river. At the same time, the Yogi crossed by walking across the water. On reaching the other side, the Yogi said very proudly, Swami, you came by boat. I came by walking across the water. See my power. Ramakrishna replied, you are a big power, and a man with beautiful vibrations. I am very happy to know you. I am nothing. I am an ordinary man. But I will ask you one question. How much did energy did you use to walk on the water? The Yogi said, I used a lot of power. Then Ramakrishna said, But I used only one rupee by coming by boat. You are using so many years of energy. You are a big Yogi, but your energy is wasted. You waste fifteen days of energy. But I use only one rupee of energy in my body. The one rupee I gave to the boatman. Swamiji gives one talisman and vibhooti (holy ash). They have healing powers. That is something. Sometimes I donÕt know. I retain that power and I donÕt show all the time. It is not for exhibition. It is not hypnotism. It is not a trick. There is power. Sometimes, Swamiji uses that power for healing purposes. See, last night in this class, so many friends, devotees and followers became happy for five minutes. It will give good energy. When you are happy for ten minutes, you will earn ten years of strength. Swamiji gives gifts to only some particular people. ThereÕs some purpose behind that. You are thinking, I want something, but Swamiji doesnÕt give. He gave only to that person. It is not good. Why does Swamiji do that? The doctor knows which patient needs which medicine. The mother knows how to look after the child. Things are not necessary. We want only love and affection. ThatÕs all. We want to grasp SwamijiÕs heart, not things. If Swamiji gives something, itÕs O.K. It is a gift. But donÕt feel jealousy, Oh, this person is very lucky, I am very unlucky. DonÕt feel like that. Grace is also very important. Swamiji gives out of love. Talismans are not important. We can go to the market and get them for a few dollars. So many talismans. So many chains. It is not important. Instead of thinking how much you have been healed, think of how much power has been used. DonÕt think, Oh, yesterday I had much pain in five fingers. Today one finger is good. Tomorrow another finger should be healed. Instead, think, Oh, how much power Swamiji used to heal this finger. Think about that. Automatically, tomorrow the other fingers are also good. DonÕt depend. DonÕt ask, Oh, Swamiji, yesterday you healed this finger very nicely. Today, heal this one also. Swamiji heals one finger. Automatically, the other finger is also healed. Swamiji gives some energy to you. You protect it and give some support. A farmer has some seeds. He does not eat them all. He eats half and keeps the remaining half for cultivation. Now, you are a lazy fellow and eat everything, and tomorrow you ask Swamiji to give you something. You say, Yesterday felt very good. I donÕt know what happened today. Swamiji does not give always. It is impossible. He gives only one time, or two times. ThatÕs all. In this lifetime, you increase that energy. Oh, Swamiji, yesterday your face was very bright, and my face was bright and I was happy. Today your face is bad, and my face is also very bad. It is not correct. Swamiji is always happy, because your mind is always happy. With Swamiji there is no up and down. Your face is not good today. Your mind is not good. Your receiving station is not good today. Yesterday, your receiving station was good. Your mind was good. Your mood was good. Your thoughts were good. The sun is always sun. If you think, Ah, the sun is dark today, you are wrong. The sun is not dark. It is the clouds. The sun is always bright. You are all thinking, Oh, the sun is very dark today. Why is there no sun? Because of the clouds: our ignorance and our ego. Yesterday, you had no ego, and you surrendered out of love. You needed SwamijiÕs help. You needed something. That is why you prayed yesterday. Today you are selfish and stubborn. Today you are egoistic. Yesterday you were happy and thought Swamiji is also happy. Today you are crying. You are thinking the whole world is not good, that the whole world is crying. So, Swamiji also appears unhappy to you. Like a mirror, Swamiji reflects your unhappiness. Be happy always. Energy is unlimited. I want to give that energy to you. The intellect is also a dark cloud. That is why I said yesterday that the intellect is not good certain times. You practice. You become like the Guru. ThatÕs why Guru is special. He wants to give everyone His
