[FairfieldLife] Shankara in confrontation with Mandana
Mandana, who was a cofirmed follower of Vedic ritualism, was terribly annoyed to note that the newcomer without Sikah (tuft of hair) and Upavita (sacred thread) was a Sannyasin. As the great householder's wrath increased, Sankara's amusement also grew. In a desperate fit of anger Mandarna burst out into a series of abusive interrogations. "Whence have you come, you shaven-headed fellow?" asked Mandana discourteously, meaning, by what way he came in, when the gates were closed [He was, of course, Flying Yogicly? --carde]. Taking the question to mean 'How far are you shaven?' Shankara replied, "Up to the neck". "That is not what I asked," said Mandana, "I asked (about) your way?" To this Shankara quipped, "Did you ask the 'way'? Then what did the way reply?" Annoyed terribly Mandana ejaculated: "It replied that your mother is a widow and you are a widow's son." Unconcerned, Shankara humorously remarked: "Indeed, did the 'way' tell you that 'you' are a widow's son? Then it must surely be so. For it was you and not myself who questioned the 'way', and in the answer you received, the 'you' must surely refer to yourself." Further exasperated, Mandana exclaimed: "Have you drunk (pitam) toddy?" Quibbling on the meaning of the word 'pitam', which means 'drunk' when used as a verb and 'yellow' when used as an adjective, Shankara took the question to mean "Is toddy yellow?" and gave an impertinent answer to that impertinent question. "Oh no! Toddy is not yellow but white." At this Mandana remarked with a mischievous insinuation, "I see, you are, therefore, well acquainted with its colour!" "And you with its taste!" promptly retorted Shankara. Again Mandana said: "You who indulge in such impertinent talk must be under the intoxication produced by eating poisoned (rotten) flesh." Interpreting the statement of Mandana differently (for the statement 'matto jaataH kalañjaashi' can also mean 'the one born of me, i.e. my son, is an eater of poisoned flesh'), Shankara said: "You are right. As the father, so the son. If your son eats poisoned flesh, he must have learnt it only from you." And so on Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the word 'knowledge' semantics & misc
Care to list them, with a brief description for each? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- Rory Goff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "peterklutz" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Either that - or someone kept count on your > > enlightened > > ramblings.. :-) > > > > *LOL* And they only found 17? One of us is slipping > > :-) > > I know there are 17 because Bevan and I counted them > one night. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ~--> > > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > > Yahoo! your home page > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > > > ~-> > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 20, 2005, at 8:57 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > > > Or, they're the three "money makers" the TMO is > > > > > pushing because MMY thinks they're the most > > > > important > > > > > requirements for rapid growth of higher states of > > > > > consciousness. > > > > > > > > So will you be moving into an east-west aligned > > > > apartment? > > > > > > > > I doubt he believes that--it's just more greed. No > > > > tradition of > > > > actual enlightenment that I am aware of requires > > > > special buildings. > > > > > > Where the hell does MMY get this stuff from? I agree > > > with you, there is absolutely no spiritual tradition > > > in recorded history that links habitat shape and > > > orientation with enlightenment. It's really goofball > > > stuff. Enlightment contingent upon the shape and > > > orientation of ones house! > > > > And where does he say its a requirement for gaining enlightenment? He > > said it was a for more rapid growth, did he not? > > > I asked him the same last week. Still waiting for an answer. But I am > SURE he has a good cite, otherwise he would not continue to state such . > What is the purpose of ANY aspect of Vedic culture? If it's part of the Hindu-Vedic tradition, it almost certainly is considered to be enlightenment-enhancing/speeding by SOME segment of the tradition... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bluecabbagerose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > And where does he say its a requirement for gaining enlightenment? He > > said it was a for more rapid growth, did he not? > > > > The article said "rapid growth to higher states of consciousness". > > Okay then. So are you saying that "higher states of consciousness" have > nothing to do with "enlightenment"? > > What's the relationship between higher states of consciouness and > enlightenment? I really need to know! > Are you missing the word "rapid?" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Exactly. Has there been anyone who has become > > > > enlightened by > > > > moving > > > > > into a SV building or eating organic? Give me > > a > > > > break! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has MMY said that there was. I can see why you > > guys > > > > get upset about > > > > everything MMY says: you constantly > > misread/mishear > > > > it. > > > > > > No, the problem is that we do hear very > > clearly...oh > > > the maddness, THE MADDNESS! > > > > > > Great. Can you please share these very clear quotes > > where MMYs (not > > his TBs) says SV is necessary for enlightenment? > > > > He may have said sv is required for enlightenment, > > but I don't recall > > it. It seems to me he talks about lessening negative > > influences. TBs > > can add all sorts of stuff to all sorts of things. > > > > Direct quotes please? > > Hmmm...I think you're right. SV to lessen neg > influences, not the big E. IN MMY's worldview, any negative influence would slow the pace of enlightenment, would it not? Afterall, that's what stresses are: things that prevent CC. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bluecabbagerose" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > And where does he say its a requirement for gaining enlightenment? He > > > said it was a for more rapid growth, did he not? > > > > > > > The article said "rapid growth to higher states of consciousness". > > > > Okay then. So are you saying that "higher states of consciousness" have > > nothing to do with "enlightenment"? > > > > What's the relationship between higher states of consciouness and > > enlightenment? I really need to know! > > > > Um, "the article"? It was a quote from Harry Bright, Golden Dome > Market and Café director. While I am sure Harry is a bright guy, I was > looking, as I assume spraig was, some actual quotes from MMY. He may > have said sv is required for enlightenment, but I don't recall it. It > seems to me he talks about lessening negative influences. TBs can add > all sorts of stuff to all sorts of things. > > > Barry didn't say it was a requirement to gain enlightenment either. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bluecabbagerose" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > And where does he say its a requirement for gaining > enlightenment? He > > > said it was a for more rapid growth, did he not? > > > > > > > The article said "rapid growth to higher states of consciousness". > > > > Okay then. So are you saying that "higher states of consciousness" > have > > nothing to do with "enlightenment"? > > > > What's the relationship between higher states of consciouness and > > enlightenment? I really need to know! > > > Enlightenment is the living experience of being fully present; > creating and recreating our reality, moment by moment, and taking > full responsibility for it. Who takes responsibility and who creates and recreates and who is fully present, etc? > > A pragmatic definition for 'higher states of consciousness' are > those states of consciousness that move us towards enlightenment. > So, we can have experiences of 'higher states of consciousness' and > remain unenlightened. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the word 'knowledge' semantics & misc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Oct 20, 2005, at 6:27 PM, uns_tressor wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> On Oct 20, 2005, at 2:59 PM, sparaig wrote: > >> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > On Oct 19, 2005, at 10:14 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > For the record, although Vaj mentions TM as if it > > were an example of what he goes on to describe, > > that description in fact has nothing to do with > > TM in terms of how it is practiced or the theory > > Maharishi teaches. > > > You obviously missed the point. TM is a form a Shamatha. Of the > nine > or so levels of Shamatha, TM just works with the beginning stages. > Regardless, it is a form of Shamatha. > > >>> OF course, you're familiar with all possible outcomes of TM > >>> practice so > >>> you can assert this. You're familiar with meditation research on all > >>> forms of meditation, etc. > >>> > >> > >> Well I'm trained in all the stages of meditation, in theory and > >> practice--and that includes the side effects, the benefits and the > >> pitfalls. It does help to have the "big picture" to be blunt and > >> TMer's are largely in the dark in this regard. It is different for > >> different people--for example some people, probably due to purvapunya > >> (past life experience), will gain stability with only a little > >> impetus, even with TM--that is--they will transcend the entire > >> session. But that is rare IME. > >> > > > > Get it off your chest, Vaj. Why don't you tell us > > JUST THE ONCE what it is that you're trying to sell. > > Uns. > > > > Nothing. > > TM conditioning much? > What is your name? What is your quest? Etc... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the word 'knowledge' semantics & misc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Oct 20, 2005, at 2:59 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Oct 19, 2005, at 10:14 PM, authfriend wrote: > >> > >> > >>> For the record, although Vaj mentions TM as if it > >>> were an example of what he goes on to describe, > >>> that description in fact has nothing to do with > >>> TM in terms of how it is practiced or the theory > >>> Maharishi teaches. > >>> > >> > >> You obviously missed the point. TM is a form a Shamatha. Of the nine > >> or so levels of Shamatha, TM just works with the beginning stages. > >> Regardless, it is a form of Shamatha. > >> > >> > > > > OF course, you're familiar with all possible outcomes of TM > > practice so > > you can assert this. You're familiar with meditation research on all > > forms of meditation, etc. > > Well I'm trained in all the stages of meditation, in theory and > practice--and that includes the side effects, the benefits and the > pitfalls. It does help to have the "big picture" to be blunt and > TMer's are largely in the dark in this regard. It is different for > different people--for example some people, probably due to purvapunya > (past life experience), will gain stability with only a little > impetus, even with TM--that is--they will transcend the entire > session. But that is rare IME. > OK... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Fairfield Weekly Reader this week published a directory of 'active > spiritual practice groups' in Fairfield. Twenty seven groups listed. > > In looking over the list there is a range, but they are active ones. > Evidently there is a lot of spiritual practice going on here > independent of the TMO. Going through the list, it is pretty evident > too that there are now way more people living here doing 'other > things'than going to the domes. > > -Doug > And this suggests that a lot of people decided to go "off the program," rather than use MMY's programs exclusively. This, of course, is their choice, but certainly explains why so few people are in the domes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "dhamiltony2k5" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Fairfield Weekly Reader this week published a > directory of 'active > > spiritual practice groups' in Fairfield. Twenty > seven groups > listed. > > > > In looking over the list there is a range, but > they are active ones. > > Evidently there is a lot of spiritual practice > going on here > > independent of the TMO. Going through the list, > it is pretty evident > > too that there are now way more people living here > doing 'other > > things'than going to the domes. > > > > -Doug > > > > And this suggests that a lot of people decided to go > "off the program," > rather than use MMY's programs exclusively. This, of > course, is their > choice, but certainly explains why so few people are > in the domes. But that certainly is not the only reason. Another is the $100 monthly expense that for many people in Fairfield is more than they can afford because of the marginal job market. Another is that people do their program at home. > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "bluecabbagerose" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > And where does he say its a requirement for > gaining > enlightenment? He > > > said it was a for more rapid growth, did he not? > > > > > > > The article said "rapid growth to higher states of > consciousness". > > > > Okay then. So are you saying that "higher states > of consciousness" > have > > nothing to do with "enlightenment"? > > > > What's the relationship between higher states of > consciouness and > > enlightenment? I really need to know! > > > > Are you missing the word "rapid?" For the majority of people, what is so rapid about TM other than as a belief system? > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "dhamiltony2k5" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Fairfield Weekly Reader this week published a > > directory of 'active > > > spiritual practice groups' in Fairfield. Twenty > > seven groups > > listed. > > > > > > In looking over the list there is a range, but > > they are active ones. > > > Evidently there is a lot of spiritual practice > > going on here > > > independent of the TMO. Going through the list, > > it is pretty evident > > > too that there are now way more people living here > > doing 'other > > > things'than going to the domes. > > > > > > -Doug > > > > > > > And this suggests that a lot of people decided to go > > "off the program," > > rather than use MMY's programs exclusively. This, of > > course, is their > > choice, but certainly explains why so few people are > > in the domes. > > But that certainly is not the only reason. Another is > the $100 monthly expense that for many people in > Fairfield is more than they can afford because of the > marginal job market. Another is that people do their > program at home. Which goes back to the group practice thing, which MMY has, as far back as my participation in the sidhis program goes, been his #1 "best practice" for fastest growth towards enlightenment. I'm wondering how many people who "can't afford" the dome fees can afford cable... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "bluecabbagerose" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > And where does he say its a requirement for > > gaining > > enlightenment? He > > > > said it was a for more rapid growth, did he not? > > > > > > > > > > The article said "rapid growth to higher states of > > consciousness". > > > > > > Okay then. So are you saying that "higher states > > of consciousness" > > have > > > nothing to do with "enlightenment"? > > > > > > What's the relationship between higher states of > > consciouness and > > > enlightenment? I really need to know! > > > > > > > Are you missing the word "rapid?" > > For the majority of people, what is so rapid about TM > other than as a belief system? > Dunno. You find research on other meditation techniques of people reporting 24/7 witnessing for years at a time, or breath suspension associated with reports of samadhi. Bet back to me when you do. Pubmed and the easelan institute's summary of 4 thousand meditation research studies would be a good place to start. Enjoy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
Yes, it is interesting to see who all is still here when you go to these 'other' programs. For instance, this last summer when the lady-saints tours came through. Ammachi gave darshan to about 4000 people while she was here. Yes, some people travel here to see her here but a lot of those people were from here. Similar thing with Karunamayi. Again recently with Bapuji, an elderly holy man who came through and gave darshan. It was very interesting to see who came out of the woodwork this year in particular after the whole 're- certification' thing on campus effectively spun so many out of responsibility for the movement. Now, there may be a couple of thousand adult meditators who remain living in the larger meditating community and only just a few hundred true-believers up on campus or up north in just the TMO fold. Yet most meditators who occassionally git asked if they are 'meditators', might generically say 'yes they came here as meditators' and then more freely distance themselves now from that which is 'TMO'. As the Weekly Reader article says, FF has become something else. -Doug "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >And this suggests that a lot of people decided to go "off the program," rather than use MMY's programs exclusively. This, of course, is their choice, but certainly explains why so few people are in the domes. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Fairfield Weekly Reader this week published a directory of 'active > > spiritual practice groups' in Fairfield. Twenty seven groups > listed. > > > > In looking over the list there is a range, but they are active ones. > > Evidently there is a lot of spiritual practice going on here > > independent of the TMO. Going through the list, it is pretty evident > > too that there are now way more people living here doing 'other > > things'than going to the domes. > > > > -Doug > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > For the majority of people, what is so rapid about TM > > other than as a belief system? > > > > Dunno. You find research on other meditation techniques of people > reporting 24/7 witnessing for years at a time, or breath suspension > associated with reports of samadhi. Your "research" is done by TBs within the org. and published by its own journals - every group has stories of its accomplishments and superiority. Your group's philosophy values subjective experiences of "witnessing" and breath suspension and so that's what the stories focus on. Other groups may not value those at all within its concept of enlightenment. The one TM study that clearly meets objective research criteria and that I think everyone would view as a positive benefit is reduction of blood pressure. There are innumerable studies showing physiological changes associated with a whole variety of mental practices. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, it is interesting to see who all is still here when you go to > these 'other' programs. For instance, this last summer when the > lady-saints tours came through. Ammachi gave darshan to about 4000 > people while she was here. Yes, some people travel here to see her > here but a lot of those people were from here. Similar thing with > Karunamayi. Again recently with Bapuji, an elderly holy man who > came through and gave darshan. It was very interesting to see who > came out of the woodwork this year in particular after the whole 're- > certification' thing on campus effectively spun so many out of > responsibility for the movement. > > Now, there may be a couple of thousand adult meditators who remain > living in the larger meditating community and only just a few > hundred true-believers up on campus or up north in just the TMO > fold. Yet most meditators who occassionally git asked if they > are 'meditators', might generically say 'yes they came here as > meditators' and then more freely distance themselves now from that > which is 'TMO'. > > As the Weekly Reader article says, FF has become something else. > > -Doug The TMO goes through cycles. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > For the majority of people, what is so rapid about TM > > > other than as a belief system? > > > > > > > Dunno. You find research on other meditation techniques of people > > reporting 24/7 witnessing for years at a time, or breath suspension > > associated with reports of samadhi. > > Your "research" is done by TBs within the org. and published by its > own journals - Pubmed doesn't list any TMO journal. The Esalen Institute isn't a TMO affiliate. every group has stories of its accomplishments and > superiority. Your group's philosophy values subjective experiences of > "witnessing" and breath suspension and so that's what the stories > focus on. Other groups may not value those at all within its concept > of enlightenment. > > The one TM study that clearly meets objective research criteria and > that I think everyone would view as a positive benefit is reduction of > blood pressure. H. You're familiar with all TM studies? > > There are innumerable studies showing physiological changes associated > with a whole variety of mental practices. > As I mentioned earlier, the Esalen Institute has a summary of 4 thousand meditation studies. Less than 20% of them concern TM. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the word 'knowledge' semantics & misc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Well I'm trained in all the stages of meditation, in theory and > >> practice--and that includes the side effects, the benefits and the > >> pitfalls. It does help to have the "big picture" to be blunt and > >> TMer's are largely in the dark in this regard. It is different for > >> different people--for example some people, probably due to purvapunya > >> (past life experience), will gain stability with only a little > >> impetus, even with TM--that is--they will transcend the entire > >> session. But that is rare IME. > >> > > > > Get it off your chest, Vaj. Why don't you tell us > > JUST THE ONCE what it is that you're trying to sell. > > Uns. > > > > Nothing. > > TM conditioning much? I don't know what this means. Got any verbs? Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was The latest 'Maharishi says' - Now Research
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Your "research" is done by TBs within the org. and published by its > > own journals - > > Pubmed doesn't list any TMO journal. The Esalen Institute isn't a TMO > affiliate. I'm assuming Esalen didn't conduct all these studies, but are summarizing the results of studies conducted by others. Do they give a publication source for each study? I'll try to take a look at it this weekend. Thanks for the link. > every group has stories of its accomplishments and > > superiority. Your group's philosophy values subjective experiences > of > > "witnessing" and breath suspension and so that's what the stories > > focus on. Other groups may not value those at all within its > concept > > of enlightenment. > > > > The one TM study that clearly meets objective research criteria and > > that I think everyone would view as a positive benefit is reduction > of > > blood pressure. > > H. You're familiar with all TM studies? No probably not, but I've consistently read all the PR they've put out for decades and I can't remember any study mentioned done by a non-MUM professor, most published by the TMO. Even though the blood pressure stuff is done by a MUM professor (Schneider), it's being published by a very reputable journal. I don't mean to be too tough on tmo research as I'm sure some is genuine, but the appearance is that it's now a subdivision of the marketing dept. > > There are innumerable studies showing physiological changes > associated > > with a whole variety of mental practices. > > > > As I mentioned earlier, the Esalen Institute has a summary of 4 > thousand meditation studies. Less than 20% of them concern TM. Oh, I thot you were saying only TM has research, but I guess you were saying only TM has research results that you see associated with enlightenment, rather just some physiological change ...??? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > For the majority of people, what is so rapid about TM > > > other than as a belief system? > > > > Dunno. You find research on other meditation techniques of people > > reporting 24/7 witnessing for years at a time, or breath > > suspension associated with reports of samadhi. > > Your "research" is done by TBs within the org. and published by its > own journals Er, no, it's mostly published in independent journals, many of them peer-reviewed. TM's research does need to be *replicated* by independent researchers, but TM can't force them to do so. By the same token, the scientific community can't declare TM's research invalid unless independent replication has been attempted and failed. > - every group has stories of its accomplishments and > superiority. Your group's philosophy values subjective experiences > of "witnessing" and breath suspension and so that's what the stories > focus on. Other groups may not value those at all within its > concept of enlightenment. True, but the question here was the basis on which TM claims it fosters rapid growth to higher states of consciousness. You would hardly expect TM to support that claim in terms of some *other* group's criteria that TM did not consider valid. > > The one TM study that clearly meets objective research criteria and > that I think everyone would view as a positive benefit is reduction of > blood pressure. > > There are innumerable studies showing physiological changes associated > with a whole variety of mental practices. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
Spare egg writes: The TMO goes through cycles. Tom T: Yes! it looks like death is not far away. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
--- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Spare egg writes: > The TMO goes through cycles. > > Tom T: > Yes! it looks like death is not far away. Unusual case though. It looks like rigor mortis is actually proceeding death. On another note, won't it be strange when MMY drops the body? TMO/MMY for so many of us has been such a significant part of our lives. It'll seem like a parent dying. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > But that certainly is not the only reason. Another is > > the $100 monthly expense that for many people in > > Fairfield is more than they can afford because of the > > marginal job market. Another is that people do their > > program at home. > > Which goes back to the group practice thing, which MMY has, as far > back as my participation in the sidhis program goes, been his > #1 "best practice" for fastest growth towards enlightenment. > > I'm wondering how many people who "can't afford" the dome fees can > afford cable... It's more a matter of choice -- not everyone believes or agrees that "fastest growth towards enlightenment" occurs by being in the dome. I prefer to do my program in my sweet, comfortable home and on my schedule (5:00-5:30 am) rather than in the domes. It makes me much happier to do my program in my own space. And for me, that's what it boils down to -- what makes me happy and makes my life flow smoothly. And the $100.00/month goes into my retirement account. A wise investment for me, personally. I have cable too. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "bluecabbagerose" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > And where does he say its a requirement for gaining > > enlightenment? He > > > > said it was a for more rapid growth, did he not? > > > > > > > > > > The article said "rapid growth to higher states of consciousness". > > > > > > Okay then. So are you saying that "higher states of > consciousness" > > have > > > nothing to do with "enlightenment"? > > > > > > What's the relationship between higher states of consciouness and > > > enlightenment? I really need to know! > > > > > Enlightenment is the living experience of being fully present; > > creating and recreating our reality, moment by moment, and taking > > full responsibility for it. > > Who takes responsibility and who creates and recreates and who is > fully present, etc? Anyone who chooses to. If you choose to, its you. If I choose to, its me. And please, let's not indulge in a discussion about no self present in enlightenment; for all *practical* purposes, I am present; you are present; we are present. > > A pragmatic definition for 'higher states of consciousness' are > > those states of consciousness that move us towards enlightenment. > > So, we can have experiences of 'higher states of consciousness' and > > remain unenlightened. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
What I can't quite believe when I look at the ads in the WR in the Marketplace section are the amount of people attempting to separate others from their $$ any way they can. Some are pretty creative, I gotta admit. There's one person who claims she can "awaken your cells to the divine light"... for a hefty price, I'm sure! Then there's another who claims to do 'intuitive' consulting...all of these coming with suitably beatific pictures of the people in question gazing off into the wild blue yonder. I thought most of us got past this junk years ago. Sal On Oct 20, 2005, at 9:37 PM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: In looking over the list there is a range, but they are active ones. Evidently there is a lot of spiritual practice going on here independent of the TMO. Going through the list, it is pretty evident too that there are now way more people living here doing 'other things'than going to the domes.
[FairfieldLife] Movement in UK
>From a friend over there: Hi, I see someone asked if the Movement had been re-instated in the UK. Answer is no. There has been what could be seen as a slight softening in that meditators, sidhas and govs are now told they should be comfortable in Vastu homes - ie MSV services are available. Also the govs have been told to go and get jobs (!) One could observe that they'll need jobs with MSV properties now carrying a 20% commission to the TMO. TM teaching, courses, sidhis are all still banned in the UK. Ayurveda products continue. Regards Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was The latest 'Maharishi says' - Now Research
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Your "research" is done by TBs within the org. and published by its > > > own journals - > > > > Pubmed doesn't list any TMO journal. The Esalen Institute isn't a TMO > > affiliate. > > I'm assuming Esalen didn't conduct all these studies, but are > summarizing the results of studies conducted by others. Do they give > a publication source for each study? I'll try to take a look at it > this weekend. Thanks for the link. My bad. Looks like only 1600 studies. Here are two citations: http://www.noetic.org/research/medbiblio/index.htm Abbott, T. [1001] "Review of 'On Being Mindless: Buddhist Meditation and the Mind-Body Problem' by P. Griffiths." Journal of Asian Studies 47, no. 1 (1988): 178-179. [...] Zuroff, D.C., and J.C. Schwarz. [2667] "Transcendental Meditation vs. Muscle Relaxation: A Two-year Follow- up of a Controlled Experiment." American Journal of Psychiatry 137, no. 10 (1980): 1229-1231. > > > every group has stories of its accomplishments and > > > superiority. Your group's philosophy values subjective experiences > > of > > > "witnessing" and breath suspension and so that's what the stories > > > focus on. Other groups may not value those at all within its > > concept > > > of enlightenment. > > > > > > The one TM study that clearly meets objective research criteria and > > > that I think everyone would view as a positive benefit is reduction > > of > > > blood pressure. > > > > H. You're familiar with all TM studies? > > No probably not, but I've consistently read all the PR they've put out > for decades and I can't remember any study mentioned done by a non- MUM > professor, most published by the TMO. ??? It's true that most of the TM research comes out of MUM and/or done by TMing researchers, but the blood pressure studies you're referring to aren't just MUM studies (as a for instance) and there are other studies that aren't MUM only. Even though the blood pressure > stuff is done by a MUM professor (Schneider), it's being published by > a very reputable journal. It was coordinated by MUM people. However, its not all MUM researchers. I know that at least some are not TMers either. Here are a couple of studies where apparently none of the researchers are from MUM. I know of other studies where MUM is listed as the primary institution but several of the researchers involved are neither MUM faculty nor TMers. 1: Am J Hypertens. 2004 Apr;17(4):366-9. Related Articles, Links Impact of transcendental meditation on ambulatory blood pressure in African-American adolescents. Barnes VA, Treiber FA, Johnson MH. Georgia Institute for Prevention of Human Diseases and Accidents, Department of Pediatrics, Medical College of Georgia, Augusta, Georgia 30912, USA. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am J Cardiol. 2000 Mar 1;85(5):653-5, A10. Related Articles, Links Effects of transcendental meditation on symptoms and electrocardiographic changes in patients with cardiac syndrome X. Cunningham C, Brown S, Kaski JC. University of Westminster, London, United Kingdom. I don't mean to be too tough on tmo > research as I'm sure some is genuine, but the appearance is that it's > now a subdivision of the marketing dept. MUM's research has always been a "subdivision of the marketing dept," but the non-TM researchers don't have that agenda. By the time the MUM researchers are willing to invite non-TMing researchers to participate, they're pretty darned sure that TM will show better effects than other meditation/relaxation techniques. > > > > There are innumerable studies showing physiological changes > > associated > > > with a whole variety of mental practices. > > > > > > > As I mentioned earlier, the Esalen Institute has a summary of 4 > > thousand meditation studies. Less than 20% of them concern TM. > > Oh, I thot you were saying only TM has research, but I guess you were > saying only TM has research results that you see associated with > enlightenment, rather just some physiological change ...??? > The TM theories are based on the concept that enlightenment is a physiological state or states. The witnessing studies and breath suspension studies offer the most coherent connection between meditation research and theory that I'm aware of. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit y
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Spare egg writes: > The TMO goes through cycles. > > Tom T: > Yes! it looks like death is not far away. > Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to permanently move here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > But that certainly is not the only reason. Another is > > > the $100 monthly expense that for many people in > > > Fairfield is more than they can afford because of the > > > marginal job market. Another is that people do their > > > program at home. > > > > Which goes back to the group practice thing, which MMY has, as far > > back as my participation in the sidhis program goes, been his > > #1 "best practice" for fastest growth towards enlightenment. > > > > I'm wondering how many people who "can't afford" the dome fees can > > afford cable... > > It's more a matter of choice -- not everyone believes or agrees > that "fastest growth towards enlightenment" occurs by being in the > dome. I prefer to do my program in my sweet, comfortable home and on my > schedule (5:00-5:30 am) rather than in the domes. It makes me much > happier to do my program in my own space. And for me, that's what it > boils down to -- what makes me happy and makes my life flow smoothly. > And the $100.00/month goes into my retirement account. A wise > investment for me, personally. I have cable too. :-) > Question: why would you bother practicing a technique taught by a guy whose opinions about the technique you don't respect? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Who takes responsibility and who creates and recreates and who is > > fully present, etc? > > Anyone who chooses to. If you choose to, its you. If I choose to, > its me. And please, let's not indulge in a discussion about no self > present in enlightenment; for all *practical* purposes, I am > present; you are present; we are present. Yay. I wish we could make this a *rule*: Don't make a higher-order comment about a lower-order statement UNLESS you make it explicit that you are doing so and explain what point you want to make thereby. I assume Lawson has a reason for pointing to no-self here, but it would be a lot more helpful if he explained it. Too often folks use higher-order comments as a way to avoid addressing a lower-order statement, and all it does is introduce confusion and short-circuit the discussion. If you have a *reason* for short-circuiting the discussion in this way, fine, there are occasions when it's appropriate, IMHO. But *make a case for doing it*. Don't just use it as a thought-stopper. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > Who takes responsibility and who creates and recreates and who is > > > fully present, etc? > > > > Anyone who chooses to. If you choose to, its you. If I choose to, > > its me. And please, let's not indulge in a discussion about no self > > present in enlightenment; for all *practical* purposes, I am > > present; you are present; we are present. > > Yay. I wish we could make this a *rule*: Don't > make a higher-order comment about a lower-order > statement UNLESS you make it explicit that you are > doing so and explain what point you want to make > thereby. > > I assume Lawson has a reason for pointing to no-self > here, but it would be a lot more helpful if he > explained it. > > Too often folks use higher-order comments as a way to > avoid addressing a lower-order statement, and all it > does is introduce confusion and short-circuit the > discussion. > > If you have a *reason* for short-circuiting the > discussion in this way, fine, there are occasions > when it's appropriate, IMHO. But *make a case for > doing it*. Don't just use it as a thought-stopper. P.S.: Lawson, I'm not saying you asked about no-self as a thought-stopper. As I said, I assume you did have a good reason. I'm really just applauding Jim's comment in general terms. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
When writing signing a death certificate it is generally a good idea to first properly identify the stiff in question.. What is the TMO? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Spare egg writes: > The TMO goes through cycles. > > Tom T: > Yes! it looks like death is not far away. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > But that certainly is not the only reason. > Another is > > > > the $100 monthly expense that for many people > in > > > > Fairfield is more than they can afford because > of the > > > > marginal job market. Another is that people do > their > > > > program at home. > > > > > > Which goes back to the group practice thing, > which MMY has, as > far > > > back as my participation in the sidhis program > goes, been his > > > #1 "best practice" for fastest growth towards > enlightenment. > > > > > > I'm wondering how many people who "can't afford" > the dome fees > can > > > afford cable... > > > > It's more a matter of choice -- not everyone > believes or agrees > > that "fastest growth towards enlightenment" occurs > by being in the > > dome. I prefer to do my program in my sweet, > comfortable home and > on my > > schedule (5:00-5:30 am) rather than in the domes. > It makes me much > > happier to do my program in my own space. And for > me, that's what > it > > boils down to -- what makes me happy and makes my > life flow > smoothly. > > And the $100.00/month goes into my retirement > account. A wise > > investment for me, personally. I have cable too. > :-) > > > > > Question: why would you bother practicing a > technique taught by a guy > whose opinions about the technique you don't > respect? MMY may be one crazy mother f**ker, but his techniques are the shiz niz. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [...] > P.S.: Lawson, I'm not saying you asked about no-self > as a thought-stopper. As I said, I assume you did have > a good reason. I'm really just applauding Jim's comment > in general terms. > I don't buy the "no-self" claims made about enlightenment. However, all the things being talked about seemed to be of the three gunas persuasion, and I was just wondering who was doing the three gunas thing... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Spare egg writes: > > The TMO goes through cycles. > > > > Tom T: > > Yes! it looks like death is not far away. > > > > Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to > permanently move > here. Do you know who they are? > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
Is the Weekly Reader available on the internet? (me gazing off into space w/a blissful smile) -Peter --- Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I can't quite believe when I look at the ads in > the WR in the > Marketplace section are the amount of people > attempting to separate > others from their $$ any way they can. Some are > pretty creative, I > gotta admit. There's one person who claims she can > "awaken your cells > to the divine light"... for a hefty price, I'm sure! > Then there's > another who claims to do 'intuitive' > consulting...all of these coming > with suitably beatific pictures of the people in > question gazing off > into the wild blue yonder. I thought most of us got > past this junk > years ago. > > Sal > > > On Oct 20, 2005, at 9:37 PM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: > > > In looking over the list there is a range, but > they are active ones. > > Evidently there is a lot of spiritual practice > going on here > > independent of the TMO. Going through the list, > it is pretty evident > > too that there are now way more people living > here doing 'other > > things'than going to the domes. __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Spare egg writes: > The TMO goes through cycles. > > Tom T: > Yes! it looks like death is not far away. But it could ut be one heck of a wake! (I'll bring some Bushmills for appropriate toasting the deceased. Unc, you bring the twins.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In > > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Spare egg writes: > > > The TMO goes through cycles. > > > > > > Tom T: > > > Yes! it looks like death is not far away. > > > > > > > Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to > > permanently move > > here. > > Do you know who they are? Mr. and Mrs. Atman. duh. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [...] > > P.S.: Lawson, I'm not saying you asked about > no-self > > as a thought-stopper. As I said, I assume you did > have > > a good reason. I'm really just applauding Jim's > comment > > in general terms. > > > > I don't buy the "no-self" claims made about > enlightenment. He,he,he, Hey Tom, someone's gonna be surprised, aren't they? And to Lawson, what do you think enlightenment is, an experience? > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
--- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Spare egg writes: > > The TMO goes through cycles. > > > > Tom T: > > Yes! it looks like death is not far away. > > But it could ut be one heck of a wake! > > (I'll bring some Bushmills for appropriate toasting > the deceased. > Unc, you bring the twins.) I'll bring a 40 ounce to poor out on the ground to give respect to the newly deceased. > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > [...] > > > P.S.: Lawson, I'm not saying you asked about > > no-self > > > as a thought-stopper. As I said, I assume you did > > have > > > a good reason. I'm really just applauding Jim's > > comment > > > in general terms. > > > > > > > I don't buy the "no-self" claims made about > > enlightenment. > > He,he,he, Hey Tom, someone's gonna be surprised, > aren't they? Don't be foolish. Nobody is going to be surprised. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [...] > > P.S.: Lawson, I'm not saying you asked about no-self > > as a thought-stopper. As I said, I assume you did have > > a good reason. I'm really just applauding Jim's comment > > in general terms. > > > > I don't buy the "no-self" claims made about enlightenment. > > However, all the things being talked about seemed to be of the three > gunas persuasion, and I was just wondering who was doing the three > gunas thing... > Did I answer your question to your satisfaction? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > --- In > > > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > > "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Spare egg writes: > > > > The TMO goes through cycles. > > > > > > > > Tom T: > > > > Yes! it looks like death is not far away. > > > > > > > > > > Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to > > > permanently move > > > here. > > > > Do you know who they are? > > Mr. and Mrs. Atman. duh. > Would that be Mr. and Mrs. Where It's Atman? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
on 10/21/05 11:14 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Is the Weekly Reader available on the internet? (me > gazing off into space w/a blissful smile) > -Peter I don't think so, but I emailed them to ask for a copy of this article so I can post it here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
on 10/21/05 11:16 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> I don't buy the "no-self" claims made about >> enlightenment. > > He,he,he, Hey Tom, someone's gonna be surprised, > aren't they? And to Lawson, what do you think > enlightenment is, an experience? And if it is, who has it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I don't buy the "no-self" claims made about > > > enlightenment. > > > > He,he,he, Hey Tom, someone's gonna be surprised, > > aren't they? > > Don't be foolish. Nobody is going to be surprised. Ba-dah BAP! YA-ta-ta-ta-TA-dah, YA-ta-ta-ta-TA-dah, YA-ta-ta-ta-ta-TA-dah DAH-ah-AH. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 10/21/05 11:16 AM, Peter at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> I don't buy the "no-self" claims made about > >> enlightenment. > > > > He,he,he, Hey Tom, someone's gonna be surprised, > > aren't they? And to Lawson, what do you think > > enlightenment is, an experience? > > And if it is, who has it? No-body doesn't have the non-experience. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "authfriend" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > [...] > > > > P.S.: Lawson, I'm not saying you asked about > > > no-self > > > > as a thought-stopper. As I said, I assume you > did > > > have > > > > a good reason. I'm really just applauding > Jim's > > > comment > > > > in general terms. > > > > > > > > > > I don't buy the "no-self" claims made about > > > enlightenment. > > > > He,he,he, Hey Tom, someone's gonna be surprised, > > aren't they? > > > Don't be foolish. Nobody is going to be surprised. Who said that? Who said that (and to whom)? > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the word 'knowledge' semantics & misc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Get it off your chest, Vaj. Why don't you tell us > > JUST THE ONCE what it is that you're trying to sell. > > He's trying to UN-sell TM. > nah, he can't compete with the TMO in that respect, they are doing much better job. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "authfriend" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > [...] > > > > > P.S.: Lawson, I'm not saying you asked about > > > > no-self > > > > > as a thought-stopper. As I said, I assume you > > did > > > > have > > > > > a good reason. I'm really just applauding > > Jim's > > > > comment > > > > > in general terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't buy the "no-self" claims made about > > > > enlightenment. > > > > > > He,he,he, Hey Tom, someone's gonna be surprised, > > > aren't they? > > > > > > Don't be foolish. Nobody is going to be surprised. > > Who said that? W.ho said that (and to whom)? > It was a virtual fluxuation of the vaccuum state. Kind of a cosmic burb. (Though when you talk to me, its more of a cosmic fart.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > For the majority of people, what is so rapid about TM > > > > other than as a belief system? > > > > > > Dunno. You find research on other meditation techniques of people > > > reporting 24/7 witnessing for years at a time, or breath > > > suspension associated with reports of samadhi. > > > > Your "research" is done by TBs within the org. and published by its > > own journals > > Er, no, it's mostly published in independent journals, > many of them peer-reviewed. I was referring specifically to research on witnessing and breath suspension which I doubt was published in a peer reviewed journal. In terms of tm research in general in the past 20 yrs, I estimated a couple yrs ago that about 95% was done by TMO insiders and about 80% published in TMO publications or just delivered as an address at some conference, which the TMO incorrectly refers to as published. I could not find any replication references to any of the studies. This estimation was done based on a quick look at a TMO website with a long list of studies. I'm not saying that some of the findings, esp physiological, aren't real, but I think someone is very naive to not discount inside tmo research due to the heavy marketing influence. I've heard from ex mum professors and ex grad students of the heavy pressure put on mum researchers to come up with positive results - basically to do the study over and over and keep changing the statistical analysis until you get what the university wants to hear. This is esp true with the maharishi effect work. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > He,he,he, Hey Tom, someone's gonna be surprised, > > aren't they? > > > Don't be foolish. Nobody is going to be surprised. Online Etymology Dictionary: surprise (n.) c.1457, "unexpected attack or capture," from M.Fr. surprise "a taking unawares," from noun use of pp. of O.Fr. surprendre "to overtake," from sur- "over" + prendre "to take," from L. prendere, contracted from prehendere "to grasp, seize" (see prehensile). Meaning "something unexpected" first recorded 1592, that of "feeling caused by something unexpected" is 1608. Meaning "fancy dish" is attested from 1708. >From these definitions it looks pretty clear that "somebody" is indeed going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized -- by Nobody :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From these definitions it looks pretty clear that "somebody" is indeed > going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized -- by > Nobody :-) Whereupon since Nobody has Nothing better to do, Nobody decides to be somebody :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > For the majority of people, what is so rapid about TM > > > > > other than as a belief system? > > > > > > > > Dunno. You find research on other meditation techniques of > > > > people reporting 24/7 witnessing for years at a time, or > > > > breath suspension associated with reports of samadhi. > > > > > > Your "research" is done by TBs within the org. and published by > > > its own journals > > > > Er, no, it's mostly published in independent journals, > > many of them peer-reviewed. > > I was referring specifically to research on witnessing and breath > suspension which I doubt was published in a peer reviewed journal. I'm not sure it wasn't, but Lawson may know one way or the other. > In terms of tm research in general in the past 20 yrs, I estimated a > couple yrs ago that about 95% was done by TMO insiders and about 80% > published in TMO publications or just delivered as an address at > some conference, which the TMO incorrectly refers to as published. I'm quite sure your estimates of where studies were published are substantially incorrect. For one thing, there *is* only one regular TMO publication, Modern Science and Vedic Science, and it's only published a couple of times a year (I'm not even sure it's still published). Nor does it publish more than an occasional TM research paper; usually it's more theoretical papers of various sorts, often not on anything even remotely scientific. The other TMO publications were the Collected Papers series, but the last one (there were five volumes) appeared in 1990. The first volume did contain papers that had been published nowhere else, but I'm pretty sure all the papers in the rest of the series had been published elsewhere (not by any means all in high- quality journals, however). Don't be misled by the fact that some of the TM research reference lists give the source of many studies as the Collected Papers. If you check, you'll find those are reprints of studies that were originally published elsewhere, in independent journals. And again, the most recent volume of the Collected Papers was published a decade and a half ago. No TM research since then, except for *maybe* a paper or two in Modern Science and Vedic Science, has been published in a TMO publication. If you want to check out the Collected Papers volumes: http://www.tm.org/research/508_studies.html There are plenty of conference proceedings and dissertation abstracts sprinkled throughout the reference lists, but I'd guess they account for around 10 percent. By *far* the bulk of the TM research studies have been published in independent journals, many of them peer-reviewed. > I could not find any replication references to any of the > studies. Right; as I said in another post, they need independent replication. But TM can't force independent researchers to undertake it. > This estimation was done based on a quick look at a TMO website > with a long list of studies. I think you might want to take a longer look sometime. That you cite "TMO publications" when there are actually only the two I mentioned, which couldn't be where many of the studies were published for the reasons I stated, suggests to me that your examination was overhasty. > I'm not saying that some of the findings, esp physiological, aren't > real, but I think someone is very naive to not discount inside tmo > research due to the heavy marketing influence. I've heard from ex > mum professors and ex grad students of the heavy pressure put on mum > researchers to come up with positive results - basically to do the > study over and over and keep changing the statistical analysis until > you get what the university wants to hear. This is esp true with > the maharishi effect work. Well, it certainly could be--in fact I'd be surprised if some stuff hadn't occurred along these lines--but anonymous, vague rumors aren't really much to go on. (Plus which, such finagling is by no means unheard of in mainstream institutions.) Most of the TM research is in a kind of limbo until some independents attempt to replicate it. It can't be accepted as valid because of both the lack of replication and the TM affiliation of the vast majority of the researchers. On the other hand, as long as replication hasn't been attempted *and failed*, the studies can't be rejected out of hand either. There's a difference between *discounting* the research, as you advocate, and reserving judgment on it. I'd advocate the latter. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yaho
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the word 'knowledge' semantics & misc
On Oct 21, 2005, at 1:37 PM, anonymousff wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Get it off your chest, Vaj. Why don't you tell us JUST THE ONCE what it is that you're trying to sell. He's trying to UN-sell TM. nah, he can't compete with the TMO in that respect, they are doing much better job. Funny, I was thinking the same thing...and facing boldly west. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip > Don't be misled by the fact that some of the TM > research reference lists give the source of many > studies as the Collected Papers. If you check, > you'll find those are reprints of studies that were > originally published elsewhere, in independent > journals. And again, the most recent volume of the > Collected Papers was published a decade and a half > ago. No TM research since then, except for *maybe* > a paper or two in Modern Science and Vedic Science, > has been published in a TMO publication. Oh OK, I assumed Collected Papers was used when there wasn't a better reference. I'll try to find the website again too as I think we're talking about a different universe of studies - many of the studies I saw listed, esp M-effect ones, weren't really published at all but were simply doctoral theses done by mum students or presentations given at various conferences. When Hagelin talks about there being 80 something different studies proving the M-effect, he's including the studies in the list I saw. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Westernized yoga teachings
Western teachings on yoga are broken in lots of ways. In my area of spiritual teaching, it seems that the commercial interests and media that sell yoga and meditation to the public have redefined terms like 'yoga', 'meditation' and 'tantra' to suit their commercial objectives. For example, 'yoga' now just means a set of stretching and breathing exercises, instead of a comprehensive culture of spiritual life designed to provide the ultimate cure for all kinds of suffering. 'Tantra' is now just another sex technique to sell to frustrated males in a gross material culture, instead of compassionate instructions how to live a spiritual life in the material world. 'Meditation' is now just another stress-reduction technique instead of a way to realize one's essential spiritual nature and eternal relationship with God. In the ancient Vedic tradition of the Esoteric Teaching, in which I have the good fortune to be an Initiate and Master Teacher, the first principle I have people study are the three ways in which their knowledge of yoga and meditation are defective: You have an insufficient quantity of knowledge.The knowledge you do have has been distorted.You have the wrong quality of knowledge. If you doubt these assertions, our introductory video, "The Hard Questions ", will convince you that the same distortions and omissions that occur in the political news also occur in our Western spiritual teachings. Blessings,David Bruce HughesMaster TeacherFor more information along these lines, see our website http://esotericteaching.org To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Westernized yoga teachings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "David Bruce Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Western teachings on yoga are broken in lots of ways. In my area of spiritual teaching, it seems that the commercial interests and media that sell yoga and meditation to the public have redefined terms like 'yoga', 'meditation' and 'tantra' to suit their commercial objectives. > > For example, 'yoga' now just means a set of stretching and breathing exercises, instead of a comprehensive culture of spiritual life designed to provide the ultimate cure for all kinds of suffering. 'Tantra' is now just another sex technique to sell to frustrated males in a gross material culture, instead of compassionate instructions how to live a spiritual life in the material world. 'Meditation' is now just another stress-reduction technique instead of a way to realize one's essential spiritual nature and eternal relationship with God. > > In the ancient Vedic tradition of the Esoteric Teaching, in which I have the good fortune to be an Initiate and Master Teacher, the first principle I have people study are the three ways in which their knowledge of yoga and meditation are defective: >You have an insufficient quantity of knowledge.The knowledge you do have has been distorted.You have the wrong quality of knowledge. >If you doubt these assertions, our introductory video, "The Hard Questions ", will convince you that the same distortions and omissions that occur in the political news also occur in our Western spiritual teachings. > > Blessings, > David Bruce Hughes > Master Teacher > > For more information along these lines, see our website http://esotericteaching.org > Spam Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Isn't this the same as the list of top three money makers for the > > TMO? That's the honest answer: > > Group practice of TM and TM-Sidhis is the top money-maker for the TMO? At 500 people paying $100 per month = $50,000 per month I'd say so. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
> When writing signing a death certificate it is > generally a good idea > to first properly identify the stiff in question.. > What is the TMO? I'm really confused here, because I thought we, the TM devotees, were the ones getting stiffed. --- peterklutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > When writing signing a death certificate it is > generally a good idea > to first properly identify the stiff in question.. > What is the TMO? > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Spare egg writes: > > The TMO goes through cycles. > > > > Tom T: > > Yes! it looks like death is not far away. > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the word 'knowledge' semantics & misc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > Get it off your chest, Vaj. Why don't you tell us > > > JUST THE ONCE what it is that you're trying to sell. > > > > He's trying to UN-sell TM. > > > > nah, he can't compete with the TMO in that respect, > they are doing much better job. > If anyone is still interested, what knowledge is according to MMY: "Knowledge is not only in what one can see through the eyes or hear through the ears or have from the five senses or put to practice by the five organs. Knowledge is not only in the field of that which can be opposed to the five senses, but another sense of knowledge is in the unmanifest, in the abstraction...There is knowledge of the concrete, which is open to the seeing process, and knowledge of the abstract, unmanifest, which is beyond the sight: this is knowledge. Knowledge is not that which is open to sight; it is knowledge, but along with that which is not open to sight. That means knowledge of the manifest, and with reference to that manifest, there is the unmanifest. Knowledge of the manifest and knowledge of the unmanifest are the two pieces of knowledge which together are called knowledge are called Veda. The name Veda comes from the two aspects of knowledge, one open to sensory perception and the other not open to sensory perception, but open to the mind, intellect, ego, and open to self- referral consciousness in the end. This is cognition. This is cognition of the Veda." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
A lot of those people are MUm students, not paying regular dome fees. I don't have a real good idea of how many town rus go, but I would guess it's not more than a couple hundred. Also, I'm fairly sure you can still do the 'reduced' fee of $30/month in exchange for some work. Sal On Oct 21, 2005, at 2:57 PM, johnlasher20002000 wrote: At 500 people paying $100 per month = $50,000 per month I'd say so.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In > > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Spare egg writes: > > > The TMO goes through cycles. > > > > > > Tom T: > > > Yes! it looks like death is not far away. > > > > > > > Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to > > permanently move > > here. > > Do you know who they are? Denise Deniston-Garace and hubby... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "authfriend" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > [...] > > > > > P.S.: Lawson, I'm not saying you asked about > > > > no-self > > > > > as a thought-stopper. As I said, I assume you > > did > > > > have > > > > > a good reason. I'm really just applauding > > Jim's > > > > comment > > > > > in general terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't buy the "no-self" claims made about > > > > enlightenment. > > > > > > He,he,he, Hey Tom, someone's gonna be surprised, > > > aren't they? > > > > > > Don't be foolish. Nobody is going to be surprised. > > Who said that? Who said that (and to whom)? Now, now... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > [...] > > > P.S.: Lawson, I'm not saying you asked about > > no-self > > > as a thought-stopper. As I said, I assume you did > > have > > > a good reason. I'm really just applauding Jim's > > comment > > > in general terms. > > > > > > > I don't buy the "no-self" claims made about > > enlightenment. > > He,he,he, Hey Tom, someone's gonna be surprised, > aren't they? Who is gonna be surprised? And to Lawson, what do you think > enlightenment is, an experience? No idea... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the word 'knowledge' semantics & misc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > Get it off your chest, Vaj. Why don't you tell us > > > JUST THE ONCE what it is that you're trying to sell. > > > > He's trying to UN-sell TM. > > > > nah, he can't compete with the TMO in that respect, > they are doing much better job. > Are they? Sez who? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > [...] > > > P.S.: Lawson, I'm not saying you asked about no-self > > > as a thought-stopper. As I said, I assume you did have > > > a good reason. I'm really just applauding Jim's comment > > > in general terms. > > > > > > > I don't buy the "no-self" claims made about enlightenment. > > > > However, all the things being talked about seemed to be of the three > > gunas persuasion, and I was just wondering who was doing the three > > gunas thing... > > > Did I answer your question to your satisfaction? > Notthat I noticed... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > For the majority of people, what is so rapid about TM > > > > > other than as a belief system? > > > > > > > > Dunno. You find research on other meditation techniques of people > > > > reporting 24/7 witnessing for years at a time, or breath > > > > suspension associated with reports of samadhi. > > > > > > Your "research" is done by TBs within the org. and published by its > > > own journals > > > > Er, no, it's mostly published in independent journals, > > many of them peer-reviewed. > > I was referring specifically to research on witnessing and breath > suspension which I doubt was published in a peer reviewed journal. You're quite wrong. > > In terms of tm research in general in the past 20 yrs, I estimated a > couple yrs ago that about 95% was done by TMO insiders and about 80% > published in TMO publications or just delivered as an address at some > conference, which the TMO incorrectly refers to as published. Pubmed doesn't list TM journals OR conference proceedings. I > could not find any replication references to any of the studies. This > estimation was done based on a quick look at a TMO website with a long > list of studies. > > I'm not saying that some of the findings, esp physiological, aren't > real, but I think someone is very naive to not discount inside tmo > research due to the heavy marketing influence. I've heard from ex mum > professors and ex grad students of the heavy pressure put on mum > researchers to come up with positive results - basically to do the > study over and over and keep changing the statistical analysis until > you get what the university wants to hear. This is esp true with the > maharishi effect work. > I'm aware of that regarding the ME stuff thought the DC-ME study was pretty straightfoward in its statistics. However, the breath suspension studies are quite acknowledgedly performed on cherry- picked individuals, so there's no need to hide skewing of research since its literally built into the design openly. Also, for the studies done in collaboration with non-MUM/non-TM researchers, and even the TM/MUM-only stuff done with government grant money, there's a far greater degree of scientific rigor than the stuff that only appears at conferences or in "Collected Papers volume XX." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > He,he,he, Hey Tom, someone's gonna be surprised, > > > aren't they? > > > > > > Don't be foolish. Nobody is going to be surprised. > > Online Etymology Dictionary: surprise (n.) > c.1457, "unexpected attack or capture," from M.Fr. surprise "a taking > unawares," from noun use of pp. of O.Fr. surprendre "to overtake," > from sur- "over" + prendre "to take," from L. prendere, contracted > from prehendere "to grasp, seize" (see prehensile). Meaning "something > unexpected" first recorded 1592, that of "feeling caused by something > unexpected" is 1608. Meaning "fancy dish" is attested from 1708. > > From these definitions it looks pretty clear that "somebody" is indeed > going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized -- by > Nobody :-) > Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different than many people's here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > snip > > > Don't be misled by the fact that some of the TM > > research reference lists give the source of many > > studies as the Collected Papers. If you check, > > you'll find those are reprints of studies that were > > originally published elsewhere, in independent > > journals. And again, the most recent volume of the > > Collected Papers was published a decade and a half > > ago. No TM research since then, except for *maybe* > > a paper or two in Modern Science and Vedic Science, > > has been published in a TMO publication. > > Oh OK, I assumed Collected Papers was used when there wasn't a better > reference. I'll try to find the website again too as I think we're > talking about a different universe of studies - many of the studies I > saw listed, esp M-effect ones, weren't really published at all but > were simply doctoral theses done by mum students or presentations > given at various conferences. When Hagelin talks about there being 80 > something different studies proving the M-effect, he's including the > studies in the list I saw. > Sure. However,*I* am only referring to studies available via the pubmed search engine from the National Institutes of Health: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Database/index.html Entrez is the integrated, text-based search and retrieval system used at NCBI for the major databases, including PubMed, Nucleotide and Protein Sequences, Protein Structures, Complete Genomes, Taxonomy, and others. Click on the graphic below for a more detailed view of Entrez integration. Here's the comprehensive search engine referred to above: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gquery/gquery.fcgi "transcendental meditation" yields 235 hits. I assume not all are positive. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Isn't this the same as the list of top three money makers for the > > > TMO? That's the honest answer: > > > > Group practice of TM and TM-Sidhis is the top money-maker for the TMO? > > At 500 people paying $100 per month = $50,000 per month I'd say so. > er, there's far more than 500 people purchasing the amrit kalash products every month... I believe gross revenues are in the millions of dollars per month for MAPI. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > From these definitions it looks pretty clear that "somebody" is > indeed > > going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized -- by > > Nobody :-) > > > > Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different than many > people's here. I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about you? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > From these definitions it looks pretty clear that "somebody" is > > indeed > > > going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized -- by > > > Nobody :-) > > > > > > > Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different than > many > > people's here. > > I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about you? > > :-) > No idea... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > From these definitions it looks pretty clear that "somebody" is > > > indeed > > > > going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized -- > by > > > > Nobody :-) > > > > > > > > > > Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different than > > many > > > people's here. > > > > I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about you? > > > > :-) > > > > No idea... > So you and Rory are in synch. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to > > > permanently move > > > here. > > > > Do you know who they are? > > Denise Deniston-Garace and hubby... > Just curious: Do both teach full time? Do they live in and teach out of a SV building? Are they getting their recert salaries? Are they teaching many at current prices? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
"sparaig" wrote: > > > Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different than many people's here. "Rory Goff" > wrote: > > > > I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about you? > > > > :-) "sparaig" wrote: > No idea... You have no idea how your interpretation of witnessing differs from other people's here? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > From these definitions it looks pretty clear that "somebody" is > > > > indeed > > > > > going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized -- > > by > > > > > Nobody :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different than > > > many > > > > people's here. > > > > > > I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about you? > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > No idea... > > > > > So you and Rory are in synch. :) > I am thinking perhaps not exactly, unless by "interpretation of witnessing" he means "witnessing is irrelevant" :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the word 'knowledge' semantics & misc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Get it off your chest, Vaj. Why don't you tell us > > > > JUST THE ONCE what it is that you're trying to sell. > > > > > > He's trying to UN-sell TM. > > > > > > > nah, he can't compete with the TMO in that respect, > > they are doing much better job. > > > > Are they? Sez who? > Sez many from the inside and many from outside of the org' , do you need their social numbers or just their names ? :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- johnlasher20002000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Isn't this the same as the list of top three > money makers for the > > > TMO? That's the honest answer: > > > > Group practice of TM and TM-Sidhis is the top > money-maker for the TMO? > > At 500 people paying $100 per month = $50,000 per > month I'd say so. It's only 500 now? That is so sad. I was there in the days of 1700 plus. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am thinking perhaps not exactly, unless by "interpretation of > witnessing" he means "witnessing is irrelevant" :-) Or unless we use "witnessing" to mean a specific distancing technique to separate ourselves quickly from bondage to (and identification with) our suffering (e.g. locating it in the body etc.), which IMO is best immediately followed by a unitive technique (embracing it in attention or unconditional love, allowing it to breathe, "speak," etc.) to completely assimilate and dissolve the suffering into ecstacy or bliss, revitlizing the bodymind :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I am thinking perhaps not exactly, unless by "interpretation of > > witnessing" he means "witnessing is irrelevant" :-) > > Or unless we use "witnessing" to mean a specific distancing technique > to separate ourselves quickly from bondage to (and identification > with) our suffering (e.g. locating it in the body etc.), which IMO is > best immediately followed by a unitive technique (embracing it in > attention or unconditional love, allowing it to breathe, "speak," > etc.) to completely assimilate and dissolve the suffering into ecstacy > or bliss, revitlizing the bodymind :-) OTOH if somone is genuinely enlivened and enlovened and enlightened and enlaughtered by the TMO's definition of witnessing et al., then more power to them, say I :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From these definitions it looks pretty clear > that "somebody" is > > > > > indeed > > > > > > going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and > seized -- > > > by > > > > > > Nobody :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different > than > > > > many > > > > > people's here. > > > > > > > > I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about you? > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > No idea... > > > > > > > > > So you and Rory are in synch. :) > > > I am thinking perhaps not exactly, unless by "interpretation of > witnessing" he means "witnessing is irrelevant" :-) It was a broader joke: broadly speaking -- you both have no idea -- was the joke. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to > > > > permanently move > > > > here. > > > > > > Do you know who they are? > > > > Denise Deniston-Garace and hubby... > > > > Just curious: > > Do both teach full time? > > Do they live in and teach out of a SV building? > > Are they getting their recert salaries? > > Are they teaching many at current prices? > Don't know to any of those. However, since Denise is the author of The TM Book, I rather suspect that she's real careful to follow every dictate from MMY. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > From these definitions it looks pretty clear that "somebody" is > > > > indeed > > > > > going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized - - > > by > > > > > Nobody :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different than > > > many > > > > people's here. > > > > > > I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about you? > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > No idea... > > > > > So you and Rory are in synch. :) > Couldn't say... Seriously, likely not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different than > many people's here. > > "Rory Goff" > wrote: > > > > > > I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about you? > > > > > > :-) > "sparaig" wrote: > > > No idea... > > You have no idea how your interpretation of witnessing differs from > other people's here? > Ihave no idea whether ornot I was talking about the "death of witnessing" using your terminology. Actually, I suspect that I'm not since your terminology doesn't make sense to me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: the word 'knowledge' semantics & misc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Get it off your chest, Vaj. Why don't you tell us > > > > > JUST THE ONCE what it is that you're trying to sell. > > > > > > > > He's trying to UN-sell TM. > > > > > > > > > > nah, he can't compete with the TMO in that respect, > > > they are doing much better job. > > > > > > > Are they? Sez who? > > > Sez many from the inside and many from outside of the org' , do you > need their social numbers or just their names ? > > :) > My perception isthat the TMO is doing quite well in its own way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I am thinking perhaps not exactly, unless by "interpretation of > > witnessing" he means "witnessing is irrelevant" :-) > > Or unless we use "witnessing" to mean a specific distancing technique > to separate ourselves quickly from bondage to (and identification > with) our suffering (e.g. locating it in the body etc.), which IMO is > best immediately followed by a unitive technique (embracing it in > attention or unconditional love, allowing it to breathe, "speak," > etc.) to completely assimilate and dissolve the suffering into ecstacy > or bliss, revitlizing the bodymind :-) > I'm pretty certain that I'm not using "witnessing" in that way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From these definitions it looks pretty clear > > that "somebody" is > > > > > > indeed > > > > > > > going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and > > seized -- > > > > by > > > > > > > Nobody :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather different > > than > > > > > many > > > > > > people's here. > > > > > > > > > > I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about you? > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > No idea... > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you and Rory are in synch. :) > > > > > I am thinking perhaps not exactly, unless by "interpretation of > > witnessing" he means "witnessing is irrelevant" :-) > > > It was a broader joke: broadly speaking -- you both have no idea -- > was the joke. > Was my purpose in posting the words in the first place. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to > > > > > permanently move > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > Do you know who they are? > > > > > > Denise Deniston-Garace and hubby... > > > > > > > Just curious: > > > > Do both teach full time? > > > > Do they live in and teach out of a SV building? > > > > Are they getting their recert salaries? > > > > Are they teaching many at current prices? > > > > Don't know to any of those. However, since Denise is the author of > The TM Book, I rather suspect that she's real careful to follow every > dictate from MMY. Well, the same was not exactly true of co-author Peter McWilliams. Actually he said he meditated faithfully for exactly 5 years. And when cc was not established as promised -- he stopped and moved on. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From these definitions it looks pretty clear > > > that "somebody" is > > > > > > > indeed > > > > > > > > going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and > > > seized -- > > > > > by > > > > > > > > Nobody :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather > different > > > than > > > > > > many > > > > > > > people's here. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about > you? > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No idea... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you and Rory are in synch. :) > > > > > > > I am thinking perhaps not exactly, unless by "interpretation of > > > witnessing" he means "witnessing is irrelevant" :-) > > > > > > It was a broader joke: broadly speaking -- you both have no idea -- > > was the joke. > > > > Was my purpose in posting the words in the first place. I know. I got your joke. I was following up on it. It seems Rory is the only one outside the humor loop. Funny, I always figured Brahman had a good sense of humor. I mean look at that maya thing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to > > > > > > permanently move > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > Do you know who they are? > > > > > > > > Denise Deniston-Garace and hubby... > > > > > > > > > > Just curious: > > > > > > Do both teach full time? > > > > > > Do they live in and teach out of a SV building? > > > > > > Are they getting their recert salaries? > > > > > > Are they teaching many at current prices? > > > > > > > Don't know to any of those. However, since Denise is the author of > > The TM Book, I rather suspect that she's real careful to follow every > > dictate from MMY. > > Well, the same was not exactly true of co-author Peter McWilliams. > > Actually he said he meditated faithfully for exactly 5 years. And when > cc was not established as promised -- he stopped and moved on. > > > * I heard an interview on NPR with Peter McWilliams some time ago -- he took frequent breaks during the interview to toke loudly on a marijuana doobie, which he was using to quell the nausea and other side effects of his AIDS drugs. However, he was prosecuted and forced to quit using marijuana, which led to his choking to death on vomit: http://www.safeaccessnow.org/article.php?id=1788&printsafe=1 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to > > > > > > permanently move > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > Do you know who they are? > > > > > > > > Denise Deniston-Garace and hubby... > > > > > > > > > > Just curious: > > > > > > Do both teach full time? > > > > > > Do they live in and teach out of a SV building? > > > > > > Are they getting their recert salaries? > > > > > > Are they teaching many at current prices? > > > > > > > Don't know to any of those. However, since Denise is the author of > > The TM Book, I rather suspect that she's real careful to follow every > > dictate from MMY. > > Well, the same was not exactly true of co-author Peter McWilliams. > > Actually he said he meditated faithfully for exactly 5 years. And when > cc was not established as promised -- he stopped and moved on. > > > Rather anal of him, I thought then and still do. And Denise bought out Peter McWilliams many years ago. The title has been released in several editions overthe years with her name as the only author. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From these definitions it looks pretty clear > > > > that "somebody" is > > > > > > > > indeed > > > > > > > > > going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and > > > > seized -- > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > Nobody :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not. My interpretation of witnessing is rather > > different > > > > than > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > people's here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about > > you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No idea... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you and Rory are in synch. :) > > > > > > > > > I am thinking perhaps not exactly, unless by "interpretation of > > > > witnessing" he means "witnessing is irrelevant" :-) > > > > > > > > > It was a broader joke: broadly speaking -- you both have no idea -- > > > was the joke. > > > > > > > Was my purpose in posting the words in the first place. > > > I know. I got your joke. I was following up on it. It seems Rory is > the only one outside the humor loop. Funny, I always figured Brahman > had a good sense of humor. I mean look at that maya thing. > Maya's an amazing program: http://www.alias.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to > > > > > > > permanently move > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know who they are? > > > > > > > > > > Denise Deniston-Garace and hubby... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just curious: > > > > > > > > Do both teach full time? > > > > > > > > Do they live in and teach out of a SV building? > > > > > > > > Are they getting their recert salaries? > > > > > > > > Are they teaching many at current prices? > > > > > > > > > > Don't know to any of those. However, since Denise is the author > of > > > The TM Book, I rather suspect that she's real careful to follow > every > > > dictate from MMY. > > > > > > Well, the same was not exactly true of co-author Peter McWilliams. > > > > Actually he said he meditated faithfully for exactly 5 years. And > when > > cc was not established as promised -- he stopped and moved on. > > > > > > > * > > I heard an interview on NPR with Peter McWilliams some time ago -- > he took frequent breaks during the interview to toke loudly on a > marijuana doobie, which he was using to quell the nausea and other > side effects of his AIDS drugs. However, he was prosecuted and > forced to quit using marijuana, which led to his choking to death on > vomit: > > http://www.safeaccessnow.org/article.php?id=1788&printsafe=1 > I have often wondered if he ever tried amrit kalash. Given his decision to stop TM, I rather doubt it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to > > > > > > > > permanently move > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know who they are? > > > > > > > > > > > > Denise Deniston-Garace and hubby... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just curious: > > > > > > > > > > Do both teach full time? > > > > > > > > > > Do they live in and teach out of a SV building? > > > > > > > > > > Are they getting their recert salaries? > > > > > > > > > > Are they teaching many at current prices? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know to any of those. However, since Denise is the author > > of > > > > The TM Book, I rather suspect that she's real careful to follow > > every > > > > dictate from MMY. > > > > > > > > > > Well, the same was not exactly true of co-author Peter McWilliams. > > > > > > Actually he said he meditated faithfully for exactly 5 years. And > > when > > > cc was not established as promised -- he stopped and moved on. > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > I heard an interview on NPR with Peter McWilliams some time ago -- > > he took frequent breaks during the interview to toke loudly on a > > marijuana doobie, which he was using to quell the nausea and other > > side effects of his AIDS drugs. However, he was prosecuted and > > forced to quit using marijuana, which led to his choking to death > on > > vomit: > > > > http://www.safeaccessnow.org/article.php?id=1788&printsafe=1 > > > > I have often wondered if he ever tried amrit kalash. Given his > decision to stop TM, I rather doubt it. > To stop vomiting? To stop aids? Research on amrit shows ? And he seemed pretty open minded. In TMO days. And in his books, particularly later ones. He wrote a well received book on libertarianism. And he smoked weed and hung out with Bill Buckley. Shows some flexibility. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Tucson, AZ just got a recerted TM teacher couple to > > > > > > > > > permanently move > > > > > > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know who they are? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denise Deniston-Garace and hubby... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just curious: > > > > > > > > > > > > Do both teach full time? > > > > > > > > > > > > Do they live in and teach out of a SV building? > > > > > > > > > > > > Are they getting their recert salaries? > > > > > > > > > > > > Are they teaching many at current prices? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't know to any of those. However, since Denise is the author > > > of > > > > > The TM Book, I rather suspect that she's real careful to follow > > > every > > > > > dictate from MMY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, the same was not exactly true of co-author Peter McWilliams. > > > > > > > > Actually he said he meditated faithfully for exactly 5 years. And > > > when > > > > cc was not established as promised -- he stopped and moved on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > I heard an interview on NPR with Peter McWilliams some time ago -- > > > he took frequent breaks during the interview to toke loudly on a > > > marijuana doobie, which he was using to quell the nausea and other > > > side effects of his AIDS drugs. However, he was prosecuted and > > > forced to quit using marijuana, which led to his choking to death > > on > > > vomit: > > > > > > http://www.safeaccessnow.org/article.php?id=1788&printsafe=1 > > > > > > > I have often wondered if he ever tried amrit kalash. Given his > > decision to stop TM, I rather doubt it. > > > > > To stop vomiting? To stop aids? Research on amrit shows ? It's an immune system balancer. It is known to reduce side effects,including nausia, from anti-cancer drugs. > > And he seemed pretty open minded. In TMO days. And in his books, > particularly later ones. He wrote a well received book on > libertarianism. And he smoked weed and hung out with Bill Buckley. > Shows some flexibility. > Quiting after exactly 5 years is NOT being open-minded, IMNSHO. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I know. I got your joke. I was following up on it. It seems Rory is > the only one outside the humor loop. I did see the obvious surface implications of "no idea;" I was just trying to go a little deeper into Sparaig's statement about how he interpreted witnessing differently from others here -- to no avail, obviously :-) Funny, I always figured Brahman > had a good sense of humor. Now THAT is funny! :-) >I mean look at that maya thing. Yeah, you'll die laughing :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Ironic Times -- link off Paul Krassner site
http://www.ironictimes.com/ SAUDI KING ABDULLAH: TERRORISM "WORK OF THE DEVIL" Doesn't say if kingdom will continue funding it. U. S. NEWS Frist Thanks DeLay For Getting In Even Worse Trouble DeLay thanks Rove. WORLD NEWS Saddam's Lawyers Prepare Twinkie Defense Will say too much baklava led to genocide. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The latest 'Maharishi says' from MIU news......better eat organic....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know. I got your joke. I was following up on it. It seems Rory is > the only one outside the humor loop. Funny, I always figured Brahman > had a good sense of humor. I mean look at that maya thing. Your Wholeness apparently doesn't allow anger and humorlessness -- does that perhaps make anger and humorlessness more powerful than Wholeness, capable of overshadowing Wholeness? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
