RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mantras: Letter from Farrokh
If the mantra is going to be used to Transcend... Then if we assign a pre-determined name or form to it; We would keep one on a superficial level of thought; Trying to visualize or apply some meaning to the sound. Therefore, it is necessary to assign no meaning to the; "Vibration of Sound" which is the vehicle of Trancendance. After familiarity of Transcendance is established.. Then it's a different story.. Then one can use the different Vedic sounds; To know, Anything.. Because of the name/form appreciation, Known at the finest level of thought. * That is perfectly how someone explained it to me. Not MMY, mind you. Like if you take “I am” as a mantra…I was told to think of it as “ayam.” Mainly because it is the same, but ayam doesn’t mean anything to me. My brain doesn’t have to put its “hands” around that because there is nothing to grab. It’s complete gibberish. And when switching in meditation to using this sound AYAM ….wow, what a difference. I recommend trying it for those who haven’t. You’ll probably notice the difference quite quickly. ~Paula To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
Aside from the fact that you had too much time on your hands and you were always conscious, how did you feel? Did you feel good, or strung out, tired, and wired? I felt good…generally. Not tired at all or I could have slept I am assuming. It felt like being very awake. Kind of how you would feel after exercise (mentally speaking). Well, I guess I shouldn’t say that….I’ve got no freaking idea how other people feel after they exercise. Have you ever had someone clap loud in front of your face? It’s a very “present” feeling. You have kids don’t you? Don’t you cherish some quiet hours to yourself? I have a daughter that just turned one (dang she’s cute too). Hmm, yes I like some time to myself but I don’t need that much time lol. I mean even think about that walk; I love to walk but a 7+hour walk is kind of crazy on a daily basis. So I take my walk, Then meditate and read….then look at the clock and go [EMAIL PROTECTED] it’s like 4:30 am. Then after becoming firm in the decision that I can’t just wake her up to play with me at that hour, I decide to go see who can chat in Bangalore, etc. etc. I mean, this isn’t one night…or a month …or even two…..know what I mean? This went on for a long long long long time. At first it’s great and you get a lot done, then …wow…I just ended up dinking around a lot really. Learned some stuff. If it ever happens again for a long stretch I will seriously think about just taking another job. I wonder if that’s how retired people feel? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundits on Canadian islands?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Maybe the pundits will be able to get visas for Canada, although the > weather is even worse than Iowa's: > > "At the inauguration celebration, representatives from the Global > Country unveiled their plans for the islands. It will soon be home to > a "university" of 200 students, a parliament building for 200 > representatives from all over the world and a home for 121 experts > from India in transcendental meditation and Yogic Flying." > > http://tinyurl.com/bher4 > The same thing is said in Norway by the TMO. They try to raise money for the Peace Palaces - saying that PP will educate 200 "students" from India who will create World Peace through Transcendental Meditation and Yogic Flying etc. By the way - Norway will probably have two Rajas next year. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundits on Canadian islands?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 11/4/05 10:40 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Maybe the pundits will be able to get visas for Canada, although the > > weather is even worse than Iowa's: > > > > "At the inauguration celebration, representatives from the Global > > Country unveiled their plans for the islands. It will soon be home to > > a "university" of 200 students, a parliament building for 200 > > representatives from all over the world and a home for 121 experts > > from India in transcendental meditation and Yogic Flying." > > > > http://tinyurl.com/bher4 > > Don't worry, nothing will be built there and no pundits will come. > They might just raise almost enough money to build, but not quite enough to bring the pundits. ;-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Awareness During Sleep or Delta/The Collective Unconsciousness'
I've heard and have had some experience with the awareness being established during deep sleep or delta state; Associated with what Carl Jung called the "Collective Unconsciousness". In other words: In the deepest state of Being; Deep in the night; All of our souls retreat; to be refreshed; And one who is aware in that state; Could theoretically effect the whole; As all of the souls are connected there... They say, "Well, I'll have to sleep on it" It's like the 'shift' takes place, In that deep state of oneness of sleep. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > My advise to everyone is stick to well known standard companies > > if you are purchasing Ayurvedic medicines. > > > > Do you have some names on well known standard companies, making > > Ayurvedic Medicines? > > Ingegerd > > > > Hi Ingegerd > > I was in the ayurvedic business before the TM org got involved and, in > fact, got told to stop by the TM org. The two very best companies I > know of are as follows: > > Here are two of the better ones: > > 1) Bazaar of India (http://www.bazaarofindia.com/)of Berkeley, CA > They are known for their high quality raw (powdered) herbs, all of > which are organically grown. They were initially the main supplier to > MAV when the whole ayurvedic aspect of the TM org started > > 2) Banyan Botanicals (http://www.banyanbotanicals.com/) > > These are both excellent companies. Banyan makes more formulas than > Bazaar of India, but B of I also makes formulas in addition to raw herbs. > > Ken Thank you. Ingegerd > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantras: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > If you want to get all esoteric about it, the mantras > > > > > are in some sense devas, but then you have to get into > > > > > the whole Nama-rupa thing and how Sanskrit syllables > > > > > aren't symbolic, like regular language; they don't > > > > > *stand for* things, they *are* things. And if you're > > > > > going to say mantras are gods, well, you gotta first > > > > > believe in gods. I'm a lot happier with "impulses of > > > > > creative intelligence," myself. > > > > > > > > Just a Western phrase Maharishi chose to make a Hindu concept > > > > seem more scientific. > > > > > > Or perhaps not. Perhaps "impulses of creative > > > intelligence" is the more accurate description > > > for the abstract celestial entities or forces > > > which in Hinduism are metaphorically represented > > > by colorful gods and goddesses, and which are > > > actually aspects of our own consciousness. > > > > > > Remember that MMY also refers to "devata" as > > > "process of knowing," that which connects Knower > > > and known, or rather which *creates* what is > > > known. The Knower "knows" the known into being, > > > devata being the creative agency. > > > > > > I believe the mythological aspects of religions > > > generally are metaphors for highly abstract > > > components of reality--of the mechanics of > > > consciousness--rather than personal beings. Not > > > that they can't take the form of personal beings, > > > of course. But their essence is vastly more > > > abstract, I think. > > > > Wonderful explanation. > > > > But I wonder whether the word "metaphor" is exactly what I would > > employ in the above paragraph. To me it denotes something literary > > or fictional. There is another word I would rather use, but can't > > think of it (I'll know it when I see it). Perhaps "symbols"...but > > that still denotes something less than real. > > "Metaphor" doesn't have to be either literary or > fictional. I'm using it in the sense of a more > concrete version of something that's ultimately > very abstract. The concrete version isn't less > real, it's just less, well, abstract, less subtle. > > > For example, the few times I have had "flashy" experiences in > > meditation, they have comprised what you call mythological aspects > > of religion...but they are experienced as very, very real...indeed, > > in a way, more real than waking state realities. > > Sure. But you might also at some point experience > the abstractions behind the mythological aspects, > and they'd be just as real. > > There's an exercise that is sometimes taught to > cancer patients; they're told to visualize their > cancer cells as robbers and their immune system > as a troop of policemen, then visualize the > policemen going after and capturing the robbers. > > Somehow that fantasy process actually stimulates > the immune system to go after the cancer cells, > even though obviously there aren't a lot of > little tiny cops and robbers running around in > the person's insides. But the concrete metaphor > invokes a much more abstract biological process. > > It would be really difficult to try to visualize > the *actual* biological process, but the > fantasy visualization is close enough to what > really takes place to make it happen. So in a > sense it's "fictional," but in another it isn't. If the mantra is going to be used to Transcend... Then if we assign a pre-determined name or form to it; We would keep one on a superficial level of thought; Trying to visualize or apply some meaning to the sound. Therefore, it is necessary to assign no meaning to the; "Vibration of Sound" which is the vehicle of Trancendance. After familiarity of Transcendance is established.. Then it's a different story.. Then one can use the different Vedic sounds; To know, Anything.. Because of the name/form appreciation, Known at the finest level of thought. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantras: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If you want to get all esoteric about it, the mantras > > > > are in some sense devas, but then you have to get into > > > > the whole Nama-rupa thing and how Sanskrit syllables > > > > aren't symbolic, like regular language; they don't > > > > *stand for* things, they *are* things. And if you're > > > > going to say mantras are gods, well, you gotta first > > > > believe in gods. I'm a lot happier with "impulses of > > > > creative intelligence," myself. > > > > > > Just a Western phrase Maharishi chose to make a Hindu concept > > > seem more scientific. > > > > Or perhaps not. Perhaps "impulses of creative > > intelligence" is the more accurate description > > for the abstract celestial entities or forces > > which in Hinduism are metaphorically represented > > by colorful gods and goddesses, and which are > > actually aspects of our own consciousness. > > > > Remember that MMY also refers to "devata" as > > "process of knowing," that which connects Knower > > and known, or rather which *creates* what is > > known. The Knower "knows" the known into being, > > devata being the creative agency. > > > > I believe the mythological aspects of religions > > generally are metaphors for highly abstract > > components of reality--of the mechanics of > > consciousness--rather than personal beings. Not > > that they can't take the form of personal beings, > > of course. But their essence is vastly more > > abstract, I think. > > Wonderful explanation. > > But I wonder whether the word "metaphor" is exactly what I would > employ in the above paragraph. To me it denotes something literary > or fictional. There is another word I would rather use, but can't > think of it (I'll know it when I see it). Perhaps "symbols"...but > that still denotes something less than real. "Metaphor" doesn't have to be either literary or fictional. I'm using it in the sense of a more concrete version of something that's ultimately very abstract. The concrete version isn't less real, it's just less, well, abstract, less subtle. > For example, the few times I have had "flashy" experiences in > meditation, they have comprised what you call mythological aspects > of religion...but they are experienced as very, very real...indeed, > in a way, more real than waking state realities. Sure. But you might also at some point experience the abstractions behind the mythological aspects, and they'd be just as real. There's an exercise that is sometimes taught to cancer patients; they're told to visualize their cancer cells as robbers and their immune system as a troop of policemen, then visualize the policemen going after and capturing the robbers. Somehow that fantasy process actually stimulates the immune system to go after the cancer cells, even though obviously there aren't a lot of little tiny cops and robbers running around in the person's insides. But the concrete metaphor invokes a much more abstract biological process. It would be really difficult to try to visualize the *actual* biological process, but the fantasy visualization is close enough to what really takes place to make it happen. So in a sense it's "fictional," but in another it isn't. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantras: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > on 11/3/05 12:38 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >> > > >> I wonder about this "meaningless sounds" business. At the > > >> preparatory lecture, I always used to say the mantras > were "sounds > > >> the effects of which are known," or "words selected for their > sound > > >> quality," or something like that. I never said, "meaningless > > >> sounds" and I wonder whether using that phrase was ever an > official > > >> instruction. It's a very unfortunate phrase, in my opinion. > > > > > > Whatever associations they may have in Hinduism, > > > as they're used in TM they're semantically > > > meaningless sounds. > > > > Meaningless, but the bija mantras are fundamentally connected with > > Devatas, > > They *are* devatas. > > and these Devatas are instrumental in producing the > > effects that result from meditating with their mantras. > > > > > I know all the "names of gods" stuff from Trancenet, > > > but that's just inaccurate. At most, they're sounds > > > that are associated with gods in Hinduism. > > > > But if you regard Hinduism as anything more than a mythological > > tradition, then you might acknowledge that it's colorful depictions > > of gods and goddesses might represent actual celestial entities who > > are powerful governors of nature's mechanics. > > Well, I have my own ideas of what they represent. > > > >But even > > > Hindus who are taught TM are told to treat the mantra > > > as pure sound during meditation (at least that's what > > > I was told by a long-time TM teacher who did a lot of > > > initiations in India way back when). > > > > Hindus who are taught TM in India are asked who their cherished > > deity is, and on that basis their mantra is chosen. > > And that contradicts what I said how? > > > > If you want to get all esoteric about it, the mantras > > > are in some sense devas, but then you have to get into > > > the whole Nama-rupa thing and how Sanskrit syllables > > > aren't symbolic, like regular language; they don't > > > *stand for* things, they *are* things. And if you're > > > going to say mantras are gods, well, you gotta first > > > believe in gods. I'm a lot happier with "impulses of > > > creative intelligence," myself. > > > > Just a Western phrase Maharishi chose to make a Hindu concept seem > > more scientific. > > Or perhaps not. Perhaps "impulses of creative > intelligence" is the more accurate description > for the abstract celestial entities or forces > which in Hinduism are metaphorically represented > by colorful gods and goddesses, and which are > actually aspects of our own consciousness. > > Remember that MMY also refers to "devata" as > "process of knowing," that which connects Knower > and known, or rather which *creates* what is > known. The Knower "knows" the known into being, > devata being the creative agency. > > I believe the mythological aspects of religions > generally are metaphors for highly abstract > components of reality--of the mechanics of > consciousness--rather than personal beings. Not > that they can't take the form of personal beings, > of course. But their essence is vastly more > abstract, I think. > * MMY: "All these Devatas are there present in the structure of the physiology. So it's not an imagination. It's a reality. Physiology, physiology of man, physiology of Devata, physiology of the embodiment of silence - Shiva, physiology of the embodiment of dynamism - Vishnu. They are the physical expressions. And these physical expressions have a form. They have a form. They have all that is described in the Vedic Literature as the Devatas. Shiva, Vishnu, Ganapati. These are all the realities of life. They have a form. They have a form. And one secret about this form is, that the Devata will appear to the worshipper or to the devotee or to whosoever prays in the form he wants Him to appear. Fulfillment of the thought." from: > >> GLOBAL PRESS CONFERENCE--May 7, 2003 > >> > >> QUESTION--Maharishi, you speak often of God > >> as > >> the unified field or as a universal abstract field > >> of > >> life. As humans though we tend to see God not as > >> pure > >> abstraction or a vacuum but as a personal presence, > >> a > >> He or a She, or at least a force. Does that > >> universal, abstract level of God in fact manifest to > >> some degree as a palpable presence, so that humans > >> can > >> perceive Him or Her? > >> > >> MAHARISHI-Not to some extent but to all > >> extent. All extent. This quotation takes me to > >> discovery of Raja Raam, His Majesty, the first ruler > >> of the Age of Enlightenment of this Global Country > >> of > >> World Peace who has shown cons
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's brother
on 11/3/05 6:55 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> It seems he has 3 shifts of secretaries, so this may give you an >> idea about his >> "sleeping patterns" >> > > If Rick is to believed, his "sleeping patterns" must rival Hugh > Hefner's... He always had an extraordinary energy level and could out-work everyone around him, regardless of what he was doing in his "spare" time. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
on 11/4/05 11:53 PM, Paula Youmans at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >> I enjoy sleeping but I would love to be able to get by on a few >> hours. There are so many things I would rather be doing. >> Meditating, reading, walking in the woods, etc. > > That's the way I feel as well. There's nothing nicer than good yogic > sleep--as you awake feeling much fresher than even the best regular > sleep--and then awakening several hours before dawn to do a nice long > practice in the quiet before sunrise is wonderful. > > > You guys are ever the optimist :). I should be so productive! > After everything else got old I started talking to people in parts of the > world that are the perfect time offset for the middle of the night/early > morning for us lol. Even that gets old after a couple of months (even though > I learned a lot). > The thing I don't like is that feeling of always being...present. Sleep to > me is like a vacation. A little break from...having to function. > Sleep...just average, everyday; totally out of it sleep was like the hope > diamond to me. > I hope those days are behind me for goodI really do. Aside from the fact that you had too much time on your hands and you were always conscious, how did you feel? Did you feel good, or strung out, tired, and wired? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's on 11/4/05 11:57 PM, Paula Youmans at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Desires so deep, they even have to do with sleep. :) Not exactly, "nothing can be added to this state, and nothing can be taken away". Hey…you try sleeping for 4 hours a night for a year or so and tell me what weird ass hobbies you’ve picked up lol. I think people *seriously* underestimate the amount of time in a day… Maybe a more developed person would handle it better…but me, oooh it was getting maddening! You have kids don’t you? Don’t you cherish some quiet hours to yourself? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
Desires so deep, they even have to do with sleep. :) Not exactly, "nothing can be added to this state, and nothing can be taken away". Hey…you try sleeping for 4 hours a night for a year or so and tell me what weird ass hobbies you’ve picked up lol. I think people *seriously* underestimate the amount of time in a day… Maybe a more developed person would handle it better…but me, oooh it was getting maddening! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
>> > I enjoy sleeping but I would love to be able to get by on a few > hours. There are so many things I would rather be doing. > Meditating, reading, walking in the woods, etc. That's the way I feel as well. There's nothing nicer than good yogic sleep--as you awake feeling much fresher than even the best regular sleep--and then awakening several hours before dawn to do a nice long practice in the quiet before sunrise is wonderful. You guys are ever the optimist :). I should be so productive! After everything else got old I started talking to people in parts of the world that are the perfect time offset for the middle of the night/early morning for us lol. Even that gets old after a couple of months (even though I learned a lot). The thing I don't like is that feeling of always being...present. Sleep to me is like a vacation. A little break from...having to function. Sleep...just average, everyday; totally out of it sleep was like the hope diamond to me. I hope those days are behind me for goodI really do. ~Paula Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantras: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > on 11/3/05 12:38 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >> > > >> I wonder about this "meaningless sounds" business. At the > > >> preparatory lecture, I always used to say the mantras > were "sounds > > >> the effects of which are known," or "words selected for their > sound > > >> quality," or something like that. I never said, "meaningless > > >> sounds" and I wonder whether using that phrase was ever an > official > > >> instruction. It's a very unfortunate phrase, in my opinion. > > > > > > Whatever associations they may have in Hinduism, > > > as they're used in TM they're semantically > > > meaningless sounds. > > > > Meaningless, but the bija mantras are fundamentally connected with > > Devatas, > > They *are* devatas. > > and these Devatas are instrumental in producing the > > effects that result from meditating with their mantras. > > > > > I know all the "names of gods" stuff from Trancenet, > > > but that's just inaccurate. At most, they're sounds > > > that are associated with gods in Hinduism. > > > > But if you regard Hinduism as anything more than a mythological > > tradition, then you might acknowledge that it's colorful depictions > > of gods and goddesses might represent actual celestial entities who > > are powerful governors of nature's mechanics. > > Well, I have my own ideas of what they represent. > > > >But even > > > Hindus who are taught TM are told to treat the mantra > > > as pure sound during meditation (at least that's what > > > I was told by a long-time TM teacher who did a lot of > > > initiations in India way back when). > > > > Hindus who are taught TM in India are asked who their cherished > > deity is, and on that basis their mantra is chosen. > > And that contradicts what I said how? > > > > If you want to get all esoteric about it, the mantras > > > are in some sense devas, but then you have to get into > > > the whole Nama-rupa thing and how Sanskrit syllables > > > aren't symbolic, like regular language; they don't > > > *stand for* things, they *are* things. And if you're > > > going to say mantras are gods, well, you gotta first > > > believe in gods. I'm a lot happier with "impulses of > > > creative intelligence," myself. > > > > Just a Western phrase Maharishi chose to make a Hindu concept seem > > more scientific. > > Or perhaps not. Perhaps "impulses of creative > intelligence" is the more accurate description > for the abstract celestial entities or forces > which in Hinduism are metaphorically represented > by colorful gods and goddesses, and which are > actually aspects of our own consciousness. > > Remember that MMY also refers to "devata" as > "process of knowing," that which connects Knower > and known, or rather which *creates* what is > known. The Knower "knows" the known into being, > devata being the creative agency. > > I believe the mythological aspects of religions > generally are metaphors for highly abstract > components of reality--of the mechanics of > consciousness--rather than personal beings. Not > that they can't take the form of personal beings, > of course. But their essence is vastly more > abstract, I think. > Wonderful explanation. But I wonder whether the word "metaphor" is exactly what I would employ in the above paragraph. To me it denotes something literary or fictional. There is another word I would rather use, but can't think of it (I'll know it when I see it). Perhaps "symbols"...but that still denotes something less than real. For example, the few times I have had "flashy" experiences in meditation, they have comprised what you call mythological aspects of religion...but they are experienced as very, very real...indeed, in a way, more real than waking state realities. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mantras: Letter from Farrokh
on 11/4/05 11:21 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > [snip] > >> Hindus who are taught TM in India are asked who their cherished > deity is, >> and on that basis their mantra is chosen. > > [snip] > > > Whoa, hold on there, Cowboy...repeat again: TM mantras are chosen HOW > in India? And where, pray tell, did you hear this? I heard that many times over the years. I'll check with some people and get back to you. Amma assigns mantras that way. Very traditional over there. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundits on Canadian islands?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Maybe the pundits will be able to get visas for Canada, although the > weather is even worse than Iowa's: Growing up in Quebec, I would say that the winters in Iowa can be worse, although shorter... As for Vancouver, although it rains alot, it is pretty darn beautiful when it isn't. And if you want a wondrous, magical place to visit, go to Newfoundlan, one of my favourite places... > > "At the inauguration celebration, representatives from the Global > Country unveiled their plans for the islands. It will soon be home to > a "university" of 200 students, a parliament building for 200 > representatives from all over the world and a home for 121 experts > from India in transcendental meditation and Yogic Flying." > > http://tinyurl.com/bher4 > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: PROOF OF FEMALE SUPERIORITY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rasa Von Werder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > PROOF OF FEMALE SUPERIORITY > > http://www.womanthouartgod.com/main.php > > from Rasa Von Werder > > THE NEW EDUCATION GAP: > WOMEN BEATING MEN IN COLLEGE & HOW MEN ARE TRYING TO PREVENT THEM > NEW RESEARCH & STATISTICS OF THE NATURAL SUPERIORITY OF WOMEN > > Fourteen new articles from the United States and United Kingdom prove > that once the cork is not held down, it pops up. Women are so far > superior to men, that once they are not held down by force, they leave > men in the dust. > > Discussions on this group and: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/womanthouartgod/ > > Articles submitted by GOLD, > Comments by Rasa Von Werder > Yawn. Of course women are superior to men...why else do we want to fuck them all the time? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundits on Canadian islands?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 11/4/05 10:40 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Maybe the pundits will be able to get visas for Canada, although the > > weather is even worse than Iowa's: > > > > "At the inauguration celebration, representatives from the Global > > Country unveiled their plans for the islands. It will soon be home to > > a "university" of 200 students, a parliament building for 200 > > representatives from all over the world and a home for 121 experts > > from India in transcendental meditation and Yogic Flying." > > > > http://tinyurl.com/bher4 > > Don't worry, nothing will be built there and no pundits will come. > It's unlikely they will build on an island, an incredibly expensive proposition, but I think there's a good chance that they will try to put pundits in mainland Canada. I wonder if they can put the wheels back on the trailers in Vedic City? B.C. or bust! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantras: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > Hindus who are taught TM in India are asked who their cherished deity is, > and on that basis their mantra is chosen. [snip] Whoa, hold on there, Cowboy...repeat again: TM mantras are chosen HOW in India? And where, pray tell, did you hear this? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantras: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 11/3/05 12:38 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> I wonder about this "meaningless sounds" business. At the > >> preparatory lecture, I always used to say the mantras were "sounds > >> the effects of which are known," or "words selected for their sound > >> quality," or something like that. I never said, "meaningless > >> sounds" and I wonder whether using that phrase was ever an official > >> instruction. It's a very unfortunate phrase, in my opinion. > > > > Whatever associations they may have in Hinduism, > > as they're used in TM they're semantically > > meaningless sounds. > > Meaningless, but the bija mantras are fundamentally connected with > Devatas, They *are* devatas. and these Devatas are instrumental in producing the > effects that result from meditating with their mantras. > > > I know all the "names of gods" stuff from Trancenet, > > but that's just inaccurate. At most, they're sounds > > that are associated with gods in Hinduism. > > But if you regard Hinduism as anything more than a mythological > tradition, then you might acknowledge that it's colorful depictions > of gods and goddesses might represent actual celestial entities who > are powerful governors of nature's mechanics. Well, I have my own ideas of what they represent. > >But even > > Hindus who are taught TM are told to treat the mantra > > as pure sound during meditation (at least that's what > > I was told by a long-time TM teacher who did a lot of > > initiations in India way back when). > > Hindus who are taught TM in India are asked who their cherished > deity is, and on that basis their mantra is chosen. And that contradicts what I said how? > > If you want to get all esoteric about it, the mantras > > are in some sense devas, but then you have to get into > > the whole Nama-rupa thing and how Sanskrit syllables > > aren't symbolic, like regular language; they don't > > *stand for* things, they *are* things. And if you're > > going to say mantras are gods, well, you gotta first > > believe in gods. I'm a lot happier with "impulses of > > creative intelligence," myself. > > Just a Western phrase Maharishi chose to make a Hindu concept seem > more scientific. Or perhaps not. Perhaps "impulses of creative intelligence" is the more accurate description for the abstract celestial entities or forces which in Hinduism are metaphorically represented by colorful gods and goddesses, and which are actually aspects of our own consciousness. Remember that MMY also refers to "devata" as "process of knowing," that which connects Knower and known, or rather which *creates* what is known. The Knower "knows" the known into being, devata being the creative agency. I believe the mythological aspects of religions generally are metaphors for highly abstract components of reality--of the mechanics of consciousness--rather than personal beings. Not that they can't take the form of personal beings, of course. But their essence is vastly more abstract, I think. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantras: was Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 11/4/05 10:47 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> on 11/3/05 3:23 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >>> During the proper practice of TM, the mantras are indeed > > meaningless > >>> sounds (TM properly practiced has nothing to with any meaning one > >>> might assign to the mantras, but to their use as a vehicle of > >>> attention, a sound resonating with the mind in a way that leads > > to > >>> transcendence). Outside of the practice of TM, if Hindus want to > >>> assign meanings to the sounds, that has nothing to do with the > >>> practice of TM. > >> > > > >> Mantras are effective by virtue of the energy and intelligence > > imbued in > >> them or associated with them. You tickle a Devata, the Devata > > tickles you > >> back. Indians understand this, and I've heard Maharishi talk about > > it. He > >> just emphasized the meaningless sound bit to make TM palatable in > > the West. > >> > > * > > > > People who correctly practice TM, whether they are Hindus or not, do > > not think of tickling devatas during the practice of TM -- they > > follow the instructions given for using the mantra as a vehicle of > > attention, and transcend all thought (if one were to embrace > > thoughts of tickling or whatever, this would disable transcending). > > So the practice of TM is the same for all practitioners, Hindu or > > not, although Hindus are certainly entitled to think about their > > practice or anything else the way they want to outside of the > > practice of TM. > > I understand that, but whether or not they realize the connection between > their mantra and the Devata associated with it, that connection exists, and > by virtue of it, the mantra has its intended effect. I used to have an audio > tape from a Rishikesh TTC in which Maharishi talked about this in some > detail. Hey Vaj, you can elaborate on this stuff, can't you? > *** If somebody likes to ride a rollercoaster, they do not have to have a degree in Physics to enjoy the ride, although the engineers who designed the ride certainly had a grasp of physical law. Hindus who are comfortable with talking about the gods can appreciate talking about TM in those terms, but it's not necessary to enjoy the practice of TM, so Westerners are not being shortchanged or misled when talk of gods is not directed to them by the Hindu monk who brought TM to the world. MMY has always said, "We teach knowledge of the infinite, not infinite knowledge." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
on 11/4/05 8:35 PM, gullible fool at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Meditating, reading, walking in >> the woods, etc. Plenty of them. Jefferson County Park for starters. About 5 miles of trails through the woods there. Lansom woods just down the street from me. Lots of other woods with trails in them within a 20 minute drive. In fact, speaking of trails, a 17-mile trail encircling Fairfield is about half completed. Much of it goes through wooded areas. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Pundits on Canadian islands?
on 11/4/05 10:40 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Maybe the pundits will be able to get visas for Canada, although the > weather is even worse than Iowa's: > > "At the inauguration celebration, representatives from the Global > Country unveiled their plans for the islands. It will soon be home to > a "university" of 200 students, a parliament building for 200 > representatives from all over the world and a home for 121 experts > from India in transcendental meditation and Yogic Flying." > > http://tinyurl.com/bher4 Don't worry, nothing will be built there and no pundits will come. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] water cure
on 11/4/05 8:40 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yo group > Anyone here read and followed the water cure program of F. > Batmanghelidj, MD? > I'd be interested to know your experiences. Not I, but check out http://www.sakthifoundation.org/. This guy lives in FF and is a friend of mine. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mantras: was Letter from Farrokh
on 11/4/05 10:47 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> on 11/3/05 3:23 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> During the proper practice of TM, the mantras are indeed > meaningless >>> sounds (TM properly practiced has nothing to with any meaning one >>> might assign to the mantras, but to their use as a vehicle of >>> attention, a sound resonating with the mind in a way that leads > to >>> transcendence). Outside of the practice of TM, if Hindus want to >>> assign meanings to the sounds, that has nothing to do with the >>> practice of TM. >> > >> Mantras are effective by virtue of the energy and intelligence > imbued in >> them or associated with them. You tickle a Devata, the Devata > tickles you >> back. Indians understand this, and I've heard Maharishi talk about > it. He >> just emphasized the meaningless sound bit to make TM palatable in > the West. >> > * > > People who correctly practice TM, whether they are Hindus or not, do > not think of tickling devatas during the practice of TM -- they > follow the instructions given for using the mantra as a vehicle of > attention, and transcend all thought (if one were to embrace > thoughts of tickling or whatever, this would disable transcending). > So the practice of TM is the same for all practitioners, Hindu or > not, although Hindus are certainly entitled to think about their > practice or anything else the way they want to outside of the > practice of TM. I understand that, but whether or not they realize the connection between their mantra and the Devata associated with it, that connection exists, and by virtue of it, the mantra has its intended effect. I used to have an audio tape from a Rishikesh TTC in which Maharishi talked about this in some detail. Hey Vaj, you can elaborate on this stuff, can't you? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mantras: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 11/3/05 3:23 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > During the proper practice of TM, the mantras are indeed meaningless > > sounds (TM properly practiced has nothing to with any meaning one > > might assign to the mantras, but to their use as a vehicle of > > attention, a sound resonating with the mind in a way that leads to > > transcendence). Outside of the practice of TM, if Hindus want to > > assign meanings to the sounds, that has nothing to do with the > > practice of TM. > > Mantras are effective by virtue of the energy and intelligence imbued in > them or associated with them. You tickle a Devata, the Devata tickles you > back. Indians understand this, and I've heard Maharishi talk about it. He > just emphasized the meaningless sound bit to make TM palatable in the West. > * People who correctly practice TM, whether they are Hindus or not, do not think of tickling devatas during the practice of TM -- they follow the instructions given for using the mantra as a vehicle of attention, and transcend all thought (if one were to embrace thoughts of tickling or whatever, this would disable transcending). So the practice of TM is the same for all practitioners, Hindu or not, although Hindus are certainly entitled to think about their practice or anything else the way they want to outside of the practice of TM. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Pundits on Canadian islands?
Maybe the pundits will be able to get visas for Canada, although the weather is even worse than Iowa's: "At the inauguration celebration, representatives from the Global Country unveiled their plans for the islands. It will soon be home to a "university" of 200 students, a parliament building for 200 representatives from all over the world and a home for 121 experts from India in transcendental meditation and Yogic Flying." http://tinyurl.com/bher4 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] PROOF OF FEMALE SUPERIORITY
PROOF OF FEMALE SUPERIORITY http://www.womanthouartgod.com/main.php from Rasa Von Werder THE NEW EDUCATION GAP: WOMEN BEATING MEN IN COLLEGE & HOW MEN ARE TRYING TO PREVENT THEM NEW RESEARCH & STATISTICS OF THE NATURAL SUPERIORITY OF WOMEN Fourteen new articles from the United States and United Kingdom prove that once the cork is not held down, it pops up. Women are so far superior to men, that once they are not held down by force, they leave men in the dust. Discussions on this group and: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/womanthouartgod/ Articles submitted by GOLD, Comments by Rasa Von Werder Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] water cure
Yo group Anyone here read and followed the water cure program of F. Batmanghelidj, MD? I'd be interested to know your experiences. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
> Meditating, reading, walking in > the woods, etc. You have woods there, now? --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 11/4/05 8:04 AM, Paula Youmans at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > I get this and find it just as boring a lot of the > time and would like > > to avoid it if I could. > > > > > > I had the same problem with sleep. I don¹t think > sleeping less is a huge sign > > of enlightenment, so I¹m not claiming anything, > but there was a good year of > > my life (and it still happens off and on) that I > was lucky to get 4 hours of > > sleep. After four to five hours, I was completely > awake. Normally I don¹t > > think it would be so bad, but when you are walking > around a house (and a city) > > where everyone else is asleep, the cat and dog are > even asleepoh my god it > > can start getting to you. For a couple of months I > did a lot of writing and > > art and cleaning and..there are really a LOT of > hours in a day. > > I just had to retrain myself to sleepwhether I > needed it or not. > > Now, I can finally lie down and just > systematically shut down (thank god) > > .but I feel bad for people that report these > types of problems. It can get > > really disturbing in western society when you > don¹t sleep a lot. > > I¹m a doltseriously. If I can train myself to > sleep normal again, then anyone > > can. > > Good luck to you guysthat bites (I know). > > ~Paula > > > I enjoy sleeping but I would love to be able to get > by on a few hours. There > are so many things I would rather be doing. > Meditating, reading, walking in > the woods, etc. > __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Mantras: Letter from Farrokh
on 11/3/05 3:23 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > During the proper practice of TM, the mantras are indeed meaningless > sounds (TM properly practiced has nothing to with any meaning one > might assign to the mantras, but to their use as a vehicle of > attention, a sound resonating with the mind in a way that leads to > transcendence). Outside of the practice of TM, if Hindus want to > assign meanings to the sounds, that has nothing to do with the > practice of TM. Mantras are effective by virtue of the energy and intelligence imbued in them or associated with them. You tickle a Devata, the Devata tickles you back. Indians understand this, and I've heard Maharishi talk about it. He just emphasized the meaningless sound bit to make TM palatable in the West. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Mantras: Letter from Farrokh
on 11/3/05 12:38 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I wonder about this "meaningless sounds" business. At the >> preparatory lecture, I always used to say the mantras were "sounds >> the effects of which are known," or "words selected for their sound >> quality," or something like that. I never said, "meaningless >> sounds" and I wonder whether using that phrase was ever an official >> instruction. It's a very unfortunate phrase, in my opinion. > > Whatever associations they may have in Hinduism, > as they're used in TM they're semantically > meaningless sounds. Meaningless, but the bija mantras are fundamentally connected with Devatas, and these Devatas are instrumental in producing the effects that result from meditating with their mantras. > > I know all the "names of gods" stuff from Trancenet, > but that's just inaccurate. At most, they're sounds > that are associated with gods in Hinduism. But if you regard Hinduism as anything more than a mythological tradition, then you might acknowledge that it's colorful depictions of gods and goddesses might represent actual celestial entities who are powerful governors of nature's mechanics. >But even > Hindus who are taught TM are told to treat the mantra > as pure sound during meditation (at least that's what > I was told by a long-time TM teacher who did a lot of > initiations in India way back when). Hindus who are taught TM in India are asked who their cherished deity is, and on that basis their mantra is chosen. > > If you want to get all esoteric about it, the mantras > are in some sense devas, but then you have to get into > the whole Nama-rupa thing and how Sanskrit syllables > aren't symbolic, like regular language; they don't > *stand for* things, they *are* things. And if you're > going to say mantras are gods, well, you gotta first > believe in gods. I'm a lot happier with "impulses of > creative intelligence," myself. Just a Western phrase Maharishi chose to make a Hindu concept seem more scientific. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 11/4/05 6:23 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > When were you in Murren, Rick, and for how long? > > > > I suspect it was in April-May of 1974? Because that is where I did > > my TTC, starting in early May of 1974. > > We were there with Maharishi for a month that Spring. I think the TTC came > in when we left for Lake Lucerne. Yes, that was our course that came in...it was a "staff course", very small, about 40 people...after three months we went for the final 6 weeks to Seelisberg. > > > > Murren is one of the most beautiful spots I've ever been in...one > > can only get there by cablecar or tram...no automobiles allowed! > > No cars possible. It's perched on a ledge with a 3,000 foot drop off to the > valley below. The Eiger is across the valley. Actually, in order, there are the Eiger (where Clint Eastwood filmed "The Eiger Sanction" a year later), Munch, and the Yungfrau. > Incredible place. A James Bond > film was filmed there. > Yes, it was "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" starring George Lazenby which filmed at the Shilthorn which was the next stop up the mountain from Murren. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: LA Yoga mag on TM, Lynch
On Nov 4, 2005, at 8:25 PM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: > --- bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> http://www.layogamagazine.com/issue%2022/feature/feature.htm >> >> > > "Lynch established The David Lynch Foundation to fund students who > want to learn the Transcendental Meditation technique. So far the > foundation has dispensed $200,000 to seven Consciousness-Based schools > to cover the cost of Transcendental Meditation instruction for its > students. It has three phases for development: 1) raise $1.2 million > to teach 500 students at American University in Washington, D.C., 2) > raise $20 million to teach 10,000 students across the nation and 3) > create a $100 million endowment to build and sustain a campus of World > Peace in Washington, D.C., which would include Consciousness-Based > education in its curriculum." > > Yes, seems persuasive except net effect likely will be they are just > educating people to start other meditation techniques at these prices > and once people start googling a little farther looking in to where > the money does all goe. It's sad to me to see that people will swallow this swill so easily. Having to endow large sums of money so a simple meditation technique might be taught? Give me a fucking break! It's just "TM", what's the big deal? It should be free...that is if they're *really* interested in world peace. Of course the truth is, they're not. It's all about money. Just more selling of the veda. I hear vedic hell is nice this time of year. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
on 11/4/05 6:23 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > When were you in Murren, Rick, and for how long? > > I suspect it was in April-May of 1974? Because that is where I did > my TTC, starting in early May of 1974. We were there with Maharishi for a month that Spring. I think the TTC came in when we left for Lake Lucerne. > > Murren is one of the most beautiful spots I've ever been in...one > can only get there by cablecar or tram...no automobiles allowed! No cars possible. It's perched on a ledge with a 3,000 foot drop off to the valley below. The Eiger is across the valley. Incredible place. A James Bond film was filmed there. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: LA Yoga mag on TM, Lynch
--- bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.layogamagazine.com/issue%2022/feature/feature.htm > "Lynch established The David Lynch Foundation to fund students who want to learn the Transcendental Meditation technique. So far the foundation has dispensed $200,000 to seven Consciousness-Based schools to cover the cost of Transcendental Meditation instruction for its students. It has three phases for development: 1) raise $1.2 million to teach 500 students at American University in Washington, D.C., 2) raise $20 million to teach 10,000 students across the nation and 3) create a $100 million endowment to build and sustain a campus of World Peace in Washington, D.C., which would include Consciousness-Based education in its curriculum." Yes, seems persuasive except net effect likely will be they are just educating people to start other meditation techniques at these prices and once people start googling a little farther looking in to where the money does all goe. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > on 11/4/05 11:55 AM, shempmcgurk at > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > I recently read an article about David Lynch in > > which he is quoted > > > as saying that he meditates three times a day...he > > does an extra one > > > at lunch time. And why does he do the extra one? > > Because MMY told > > > him to do it. > > > > If you want to meditate 3x a day, you don't need > > Maharishi's go-ahead. I > > meditate 3x a day, including one before bed, because > > Maharishi once told me > > to, without my paying a fee, in front of 250 other > > people. But I do other > > things he didn't tell me to and don't do some things > > he did tell me to and I > > haven't turned into a pumpkin yet. So there. > > Just give it more time, Rick, more time. > Well, it will probably be the Great Pumpkin -- rising out of the pumpkin patch an giving toys to all the kids (and dogs of course). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 11/4/05 5:35 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > That's the way I feel as well. There's nothing nicer than good yogic > > sleep--as you awake feeling much fresher than even the best regular > > sleep--and then awakening several hours before dawn to do a nice long > > practice in the quiet before sunrise is wonderful. > > Is that what you do, or is that what you would like to do? You may have > posted this already, but is there anything one can do to trigger yogic > sleep. I went through a phase when I was in Mürren, Switzerland with > Maharishi when I was meditating about 4 hours a day and going to bed early. > I'd leave my window open, sometimes with snow blowing in, but slept under a > big Swiss quilt, so I was warm. I'd sleep flat on my back and not feel the > need to roll over all night. I'd go very deep and wake up refreshed after > fewer hours than I usually needed. > When were you in Murren, Rick, and for how long? I suspect it was in April-May of 1974? Because that is where I did my TTC, starting in early May of 1974. Murren is one of the most beautiful spots I've ever been in...one can only get there by cablecar or tram...no automobiles allowed! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Nov 4, 2005, at 6:31 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > on 11/4/05 8:04 AM, Paula Youmans at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> > >> I get this and find it just as boring a lot of the time and would > >> like > >> to avoid it if I could. > >> > >> > >> I had the same problem with sleep. I don't think sleeping less is > >> a huge sign of enlightenment, so I'm not claiming anything, but > >> there was a good year of my life (and it still happens off and on) > >> that I was lucky to get 4 hours of sleep. After four to five > >> hours, I was completely awake. Normally I don't think it would be > >> so bad, but when you are walking around a house (and a city) where > >> everyone else is asleep, the cat and dog are even asleep oh my god > >> it can start getting to you. For a couple of months I did a lot of > >> writing and art and cleaning and ..there are really a LOT of hours > >> in a day. > >> I just had to retrain myself to sleep whether I needed it or not. > >> Now, I can finally lie down and just systematically shut down > >> (thank god) .but I feel bad for people that report these types of > >> problems. It can get really disturbing in western society when you > >> don't sleep a lot. > >> I'm a dolt seriously. If I can train myself to sleep normal again, > >> then anyone can. > >> Good luck to you guys that bites (I know). > >> ~Paula > >> > > I enjoy sleeping but I would love to be able to get by on a few > > hours. There are so many things I would rather be doing. > > Meditating, reading, walking in the woods, etc. > > That's the way I feel as well. There's nothing nicer than good yogic > sleep--as you awake feeling much fresher than even the best regular > sleep--and then awakening several hours before dawn to do a nice long > practice in the quiet before sunrise is wonderful. > Desires so deep, they even have to do with sleep. :) Not exactly, "nothing can be added to this state, and nothing can be taken away". Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
on 11/4/05 5:35 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > That's the way I feel as well. There's nothing nicer than good yogic > sleep--as you awake feeling much fresher than even the best regular > sleep--and then awakening several hours before dawn to do a nice long > practice in the quiet before sunrise is wonderful. Is that what you do, or is that what you would like to do? You may have posted this already, but is there anything one can do to trigger yogic sleep. I went through a phase when I was in Mürren, Switzerland with Maharishi when I was meditating about 4 hours a day and going to bed early. I'd leave my window open, sometimes with snow blowing in, but slept under a big Swiss quilt, so I was warm. I'd sleep flat on my back and not feel the need to roll over all night. I'd go very deep and wake up refreshed after fewer hours than I usually needed. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 11/4/05 11:55 AM, shempmcgurk at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I recently read an article about David Lynch in > which he is quoted > > as saying that he meditates three times a day...he > does an extra one > > at lunch time. And why does he do the extra one? > Because MMY told > > him to do it. > > If you want to meditate 3x a day, you don't need > Maharishi's go-ahead. I > meditate 3x a day, including one before bed, because > Maharishi once told me > to, without my paying a fee, in front of 250 other > people. But I do other > things he didn't tell me to and don't do some things > he did tell me to and I > haven't turned into a pumpkin yet. So there. Just give it more time, Rick, more time. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Shankara promises to give his head to Kapalika
On Nov 4, 2005, at 6:29 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > on 11/4/05 6:32 AM, cardemaister at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> The masters of my [Kapalika's] school say >> that the sacrifice of the head of one who >> has been pure all through life is what leads >> to the fullfilment of one's object. In this >> world there is hardly any one who fulfils >> these requirements. So I salute you. Be >> gracious enough to give me your head." So >> saying the Kapalika prostrated himself before >> Shankara. Without thinking much of the pros >> and cons of this request, Shankara, who was >> full of mercy to suppliants, replied as follows: >> "Gladly shall I give you my head. I do not find >> anything wrong in your request. Who that knows >> the body to be perishable will be reluctant to >> gift it for the good of others. >> >> -- Maadhava-VidyaaraNya, Shankara-dig-vijaya >> > > I'll bet this is metaphorical. Many teachers talk of dropping from > the head > into the heart, thinking from the stomach, having no head, etc. I > doubt > these masters were really into chopping off each others' heads. In the cults where this is done, the practice often work with manifesting as some wrathful goddess and *then* severing your head (e.g. Chinnamaster, Vajrayogini, Smashan Kali, etc.). That's what we do in the Chod. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
On Nov 4, 2005, at 6:31 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > on 11/4/05 8:04 AM, Paula Youmans at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> >> I get this and find it just as boring a lot of the time and would >> like >> to avoid it if I could. >> >> >> I had the same problem with sleep. I don’t think sleeping less is >> a huge sign of enlightenment, so I’m not claiming anything, but >> there was a good year of my life (and it still happens off and on) >> that I was lucky to get 4 hours of sleep. After four to five >> hours, I was completely awake. Normally I don’t think it would be >> so bad, but when you are walking around a house (and a city) where >> everyone else is asleep, the cat and dog are even asleep…oh my god >> it can start getting to you. For a couple of months I did a lot of >> writing and art and cleaning and…..there are really a LOT of hours >> in a day. >> I just had to retrain myself to sleep…whether I needed it or not. >> Now, I can finally lie down and just systematically shut down >> (thank god) ….but I feel bad for people that report these types of >> problems. It can get really disturbing in western society when you >> don’t sleep a lot. >> I’m a dolt…seriously. If I can train myself to sleep normal again, >> then anyone can. >> Good luck to you guys…that bites (I know). >> ~Paula >> > I enjoy sleeping but I would love to be able to get by on a few > hours. There are so many things I would rather be doing. > Meditating, reading, walking in the woods, etc. That's the way I feel as well. There's nothing nicer than good yogic sleep--as you awake feeling much fresher than even the best regular sleep--and then awakening several hours before dawn to do a nice long practice in the quiet before sunrise is wonderful. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's on 11/4/05 8:04 AM, Paula Youmans at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get this and find it just as boring a lot of the time and would like to avoid it if I could. I had the same problem with sleep. I don’t think sleeping less is a huge sign of enlightenment, so I’m not claiming anything, but there was a good year of my life (and it still happens off and on) that I was lucky to get 4 hours of sleep. After four to five hours, I was completely awake. Normally I don’t think it would be so bad, but when you are walking around a house (and a city) where everyone else is asleep, the cat and dog are even asleep…oh my god it can start getting to you. For a couple of months I did a lot of writing and art and cleaning and…..there are really a LOT of hours in a day. I just had to retrain myself to sleep…whether I needed it or not. Now, I can finally lie down and just systematically shut down (thank god) ….but I feel bad for people that report these types of problems. It can get really disturbing in western society when you don’t sleep a lot. I’m a dolt…seriously. If I can train myself to sleep normal again, then anyone can. Good luck to you guys…that bites (I know). ~Paula I enjoy sleeping but I would love to be able to get by on a few hours. There are so many things I would rather be doing. Meditating, reading, walking in the woods, etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Shankara promises to give his head to Kapalika
on 11/4/05 6:32 AM, cardemaister at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The masters of my [Kapalika's] school say > that the sacrifice of the head of one who > has been pure all through life is what leads > to the fullfilment of one's object. In this > world there is hardly any one who fulfils > these requirements. So I salute you. Be > gracious enough to give me your head." So > saying the Kapalika prostrated himself before > Shankara. Without thinking much of the pros > and cons of this request, Shankara, who was > full of mercy to suppliants, replied as follows: > "Gladly shall I give you my head. I do not find > anything wrong in your request. Who that knows > the body to be perishable will be reluctant to > gift it for the good of others. > > -- Maadhava-VidyaaraNya, Shankara-dig-vijaya I'll bet this is metaphorical. Many teachers talk of dropping from the head into the heart, thinking from the stomach, having no head, etc. I doubt these masters were really into chopping off each others' heads. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
on 11/4/05 6:27 AM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Looking at Fairfield.I ran into two sets of different folks > yesterday who were out on the streets of Fairfield looking for > places here to re-settle here. One from the West Coast with coastal > property lierally. The other from NY. Both were clutching copies > of the Weekly Reader's "FF Directory of Active Spiritual Practice > Groups" which Fairfudlians had provided them with..They are > excited about Fairfield because of what is going on here in the > active spiritual meditating community, not really because of the > TMO. Actually both sets were pretty offended by how it goes with > the TMO now and its corruptions. Both were pretty clear about > expressing that. Still have to stop them piggies, though. They could definitely discourage folks from moving here, or staying. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO
on 11/4/05 3:01 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > But your advice above is good and I shouldn't care what MMY does or > says...as I myself often say on this forum: the technique still > works regardless of the TMO or MMY's words or actions. And as far as I can tell, the only universal technique is breathing and maybe eating. Other than that, everyone is going to do and believe something unique. What was that quote from the latest Star Wars movie?: "Only Siths believe in absolutes." Something like that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > My advise to everyone is stick to well known standard companies > > if you are purchasing Ayurvedic medicines. > > > > Do you have some names on well known standard companies, making > > Ayurvedic Medicines? > > Ingegerd Here's one other, Dr. Vasant Ladd's Ayurvedic Institute sells high quaility av products. http://www.ayurvedicinstitute.com/products/index.html ken > > Hi Ingegerd > > I was in the ayurvedic business before the TM org got involved and, in > fact, got told to stop by the TM org. The two very best companies I > know of are as follows: > > Here are two of the better ones: > > 1) Bazaar of India (http://www.bazaarofindia.com/)of Berkeley, CA > They are known for their high quality raw (powdered) herbs, all of > which are organically grown. They were initially the main supplier to > MAV when the whole ayurvedic aspect of the TM org started > > 2) Banyan Botanicals (http://www.banyanbotanicals.com/) > > These are both excellent companies. Banyan makes more formulas than > Bazaar of India, but B of I also makes formulas in addition to raw herbs. > > Ken > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > My advise to everyone is stick to well known standard companies > if you are purchasing Ayurvedic medicines. > > Do you have some names on well known standard companies, making > Ayurvedic Medicines? > Ingegerd > Hi Ingegerd I was in the ayurvedic business before the TM org got involved and, in fact, got told to stop by the TM org. The two very best companies I know of are as follows: Here are two of the better ones: 1) Bazaar of India (http://www.bazaarofindia.com/)of Berkeley, CA They are known for their high quality raw (powdered) herbs, all of which are organically grown. They were initially the main supplier to MAV when the whole ayurvedic aspect of the TM org started 2) Banyan Botanicals (http://www.banyanbotanicals.com/) These are both excellent companies. Banyan makes more formulas than Bazaar of India, but B of I also makes formulas in addition to raw herbs. Ken Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > on 11/4/05 11:55 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > > I recently read an article about David Lynch in which he is > > quoted > > > > as saying that he meditates three times a day...he does an > extra > > one > > > > at lunch time. And why does he do the extra one? Because MMY > > told > > > > him to do it. > > > > > > If you want to meditate 3x a day, you don't need Maharishi's go- > > ahead. I > > > meditate 3x a day, including one before bed, because Maharishi > > once told me > > > to, > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, but it disturbs me that a so-called "universal technique" > > isn't so universal when we find out that some people get special > > instructions for the technique. > > > > It takes away from it. > > > I see your point. Perhaps it would help you to divorce the technique > from the man who popularized it. Don't care any longer what MMY > thinks or says, or has said. It isn't really important. Meditate > more. Meditate less. The same. None. Whatever. I made the mistake of buying into the vision of a universal technique, one that everyone on the planet could do, notwithstanding what religion, philosophy, guru or lack of guru they may have. How universal can something be if the privileged few --whether millionnaires or those that happen to be on international staff -- get to have access to special instructions. This used to bug me even more when I was active in the Movement and I would hear stories of how MMY told this person to do that and that person to do this. But your advice above is good and I shouldn't care what MMY does or says...as I myself often say on this forum: the technique still works regardless of the TMO or MMY's words or actions. I should practise what I preach. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] LA Yoga mag on TM, Lynch
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > And find a picture of Maharishi and shake your > > finger at him and > > tell him what a bastard he is, if it makes you feel > > better. > > Then...on to the next injustice in the world. > > Excellent suggestion! Like Guru Dev used to say, don't > give me your money and gifts, give me your sins! Who > better to yell at than MMY. Like the ocean accepting > all the mud from the rivers draining into it. What an > honor to have the absolute in human form for you to > crap out your attachments. THAT'S ONE REASON WHY YOU > ARE IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM. Crap away!!! Since when did I sign on to a guru-disciple relationship? I thought the TM technique was not predicated on a religion or philosophy... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ~--> > > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > > Yahoo! your home page > > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > > > --- -~-> > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > on 11/4/05 11:55 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > I recently read an article about David Lynch in which he is > quoted > > > as saying that he meditates three times a day...he does an extra > one > > > at lunch time. And why does he do the extra one? Because MMY > told > > > him to do it. > > > > If you want to meditate 3x a day, you don't need Maharishi's go- > ahead. I > > meditate 3x a day, including one before bed, because Maharishi > once told me > > to, > > > > > Sorry, but it disturbs me that a so-called "universal technique" > isn't so universal when we find out that some people get special > instructions for the technique. > > It takes away from it. > I see your point. Perhaps it would help you to divorce the technique from the man who popularized it. Don't care any longer what MMY thinks or says, or has said. It isn't really important. Meditate more. Meditate less. The same. None. Whatever. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My advise to everyone is stick to well known standard companies if you are purchasing Ayurvedic medicines. Do you have some names on well known standard companies, making Ayurvedic Medicines? Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 11/4/05 11:55 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I recently read an article about David Lynch in which he is quoted > > as saying that he meditates three times a day...he does an extra one > > at lunch time. And why does he do the extra one? Because MMY told > > him to do it. > > If you want to meditate 3x a day, you don't need Maharishi's go- ahead. I > meditate 3x a day, including one before bed, because Maharishi once told me > to, Sorry, but it disturbs me that a so-called "universal technique" isn't so universal when we find out that some people get special instructions for the technique. It takes away from it. > without my paying a fee, in front of 250 other people. But I do other > things he didn't tell me to and don't do some things he did tell me to and I > haven't turned into a pumpkin yet. So there. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO
on 11/4/05 11:55 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I recently read an article about David Lynch in which he is quoted > as saying that he meditates three times a day...he does an extra one > at lunch time. And why does he do the extra one? Because MMY told > him to do it. If you want to meditate 3x a day, you don't need Maharishi's go-ahead. I meditate 3x a day, including one before bed, because Maharishi once told me to, without my paying a fee, in front of 250 other people. But I do other things he didn't tell me to and don't do some things he did tell me to and I haven't turned into a pumpkin yet. So there. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO
--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And find a picture of Maharishi and shake your > finger at him and > tell him what a bastard he is, if it makes you feel > better. > Then...on to the next injustice in the world. Excellent suggestion! Like Guru Dev used to say, don't give me your money and gifts, give me your sins! Who better to yell at than MMY. Like the ocean accepting all the mud from the rivers draining into it. What an honor to have the absolute in human form for you to crap out your attachments. THAT'S ONE REASON WHY YOU ARE IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM. Crap away!!! > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India
I agree with you Mark, In fact, my initator equates Maharishi on par with Christ and Buddha.!! He thinks all allegations of mistakes on MMY are false. However, he openly admits that only Allopathic medicines saved Maharishi. If there is an medical emergency only allopathic treatment works. My view is that there has to be a proper balance between Naturapathy and Allopathy, both can complement each other. Unfortunately, TMO still sticks rigidly to Ayurveda and defames Allopathy to a great extant. I remember reading an article in a website where a woman student taking Maharishi's course was ill treated by the TMO for asking for Allopathic medicines. Also, I would like to point out that there is a huge 'multi-billion dollar Herbal fraud' taking place all over the globe. Most of these medicines are improperly made and are of dubious quality. People have developed serious complications taking these herbal medicines, some have even died as a result. There was a programme on discovery channel on this couple of years back. Heavy metal and pesticide contamination in manufacture of herbal medicine and also bacterial and viral contamination in the manufacture of these medicines is a huge problem. Most of these medicines are not sterile because manufacturing conditions are dirty. My advise to everyone is stick to well known standard companies if you are purchasing Ayurvedic medicines. ---OriginalMessage-- From: "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 14:15:16 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India --- Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote: >>My initator who taught me TM has worked in the TMO >>in India for more than 30 years. Being right there in india is a plus, but being full time in the Tmo for so long is a negative for accurate understanding - we've all seen the incredible self-serving spin the tmo puts on events to cast blame on others when it was their own incompetence really at fault. >>The fact is these Jokers almost killed Maharishi and >>providence saved him.!! Allopathic medicine saved him, and according to his former personal physician who now lives in DC, MMY has relied exclusively on western medicine, the best money can buy in both Holland and London, since then. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I think that this letter from Farrokh is representative for most > of > > the Independent TM-Teachers when it says: "If we are teachers > > of "supreme knowledge" with the gift to remove suffering, how much > > greater is our sin if we fail to use our talent for the poor and > > under-privileged and use it exclusively for the rich". > > > > ...and it is not only that only the rich can afford TM at its high > prices, it is also the ability through the riches to get special > instructions to complement your TM practise (and I'm not talking > here about being able to afford advanced techniques or other > programs such as panchikarma or vedic vibration). > > I recently read an article about David Lynch in which he is quoted > as saying that he meditates three times a day...he does an extra one > at lunch time. And why does he do the extra one? Because MMY told > him to do it. > > You see, Lynch was able to pay $1 million to go on a millionaire's > course and bought access to MMY. And it was a result of his > richness that got his extra TM instructions. > > This to me is a big, big deal; it's one thing to make the price of > TM $2,500 and to have all these extra techniques and programs > available at thousands of dollars. It's quite another thing to now > pollute the universality of the technique by doling out special > instructions JUST FOR THE TM TECHNIQUE based upon money and access. > > How horrible what this wonderful movement has come to... > There's an easy way to have access to these special instructions: Just do an extra meditation if you want to. And find a picture of Maharishi and shake your finger at him and tell him what a bastard he is, if it makes you feel better. Then...on to the next injustice in the world. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert > > Gimbel" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Perhaps it is a clash of ego's; > > > Or at least one ego? > > > Isn't it the ego, that is constantly concerned > > with; > > > Money, power and control? > > > When one is fulfilled from within, completely in > > Bliss; > > > How could one be concerned with money, power, > > lust, greed, > > > And control? > > > > > My ego is always concerned with being fulfilled from > > within, > > completely in Bliss, but it is still my ego. > > > > (To paraphrase the waffle ad: "Leggo my Ego...") > > I bet my ego is bigger than your ego..hahahaha...and > handsomer too! > I don't know- I just saw this really ugly guy walk by... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think that this letter from Farrokh is representative for most of > the Independent TM-Teachers when it says: "If we are teachers > of "supreme knowledge" with the gift to remove suffering, how much > greater is our sin if we fail to use our talent for the poor and > under-privileged and use it exclusively for the rich". ...and it is not only that only the rich can afford TM at its high prices, it is also the ability through the riches to get special instructions to complement your TM practise (and I'm not talking here about being able to afford advanced techniques or other programs such as panchikarma or vedic vibration). I recently read an article about David Lynch in which he is quoted as saying that he meditates three times a day...he does an extra one at lunch time. And why does he do the extra one? Because MMY told him to do it. You see, Lynch was able to pay $1 million to go on a millionaire's course and bought access to MMY. And it was a result of his richness that got his extra TM instructions. This to me is a big, big deal; it's one thing to make the price of TM $2,500 and to have all these extra techniques and programs available at thousands of dollars. It's quite another thing to now pollute the universality of the technique by doling out special instructions JUST FOR THE TM TECHNIQUE based upon money and access. How horrible what this wonderful movement has come to... > Most of my students cannot afford to pay $2.500, but need the > benefits of TM. Most of my students has first been in contact with > the TMO, and it seems that the TMO and the recert. TM-Teachers do > not appeal to them. It is too much pressure about money. > Ingegerd > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > To the many who have expressed their support or concerns to us, > this is to > > clarify our position with the TMO. > > > > Dr Michael Dillbeck recently asked to have the TESP research so it > could be > > included in the current volume on Scientific Research on TM. His > letter to > > us was forwarded to a mutual acquaintance, informing our friend > that this > > request from the TM movement certainly endorsed our position > because the TMO > > knew that we were not re-certified, not teaching in Stapathya Ved > premises, > > and not paying $2500 course fees for our probationers. > That "mutual > > acquaintance", a diehard movement person, forwarded the email on > to Michael > > who responded that his request for our research ought not to be > construed as > > endorsement of what we were doing with the TESP! This ambiguous > and > > hypocritical situation has been maintained by the TMO for years > now - they > > take whatever good they can from TESP and at the same time deny we > are a > > bona fide organization "worthy" of being in the TMO. > > > > What has been our crime? We refused to pay the $2500 course fee > for each > > probationer instructed. For many years, our organization paid the > course > > fees to the TMO when the fees were still in the reasonable range. > We ran up > > our personal credit card to pay these fees. Then, when the fee was > > arbitrarily raised to $2500 and no concession was given to TESP to > teach > > probationers sentenced by the court, we stopped paying course > fees. We were > > advised by a legal representative that we should change our name, > hence we > > say we teach Transcendental Stress Management. The only > difference in what > > we teach now is that our course is long (not 7 steps) as we > provide a > > 20-lesson course for probationers. Everything else is the same. > Many TM > > teachers have volunteered their services to teach probationers > with us over > > the years, and they can verify that we teach in precisely the same > way as > > all other teachers. The change of name is to prevent a lawsuit > from the TMO > > and to prevent embarrassment to the judiciary in St Louis when the > press > > reveals the strange goings-on in the TMO e.g. rajas, bagpipes, > limos, > > million-dollar courses etc. The judges cannot afford to be > embarrassed in > > this way. > > > > It should also be noted that in addition to the obvious service > the TESP is > > providing to the under-privileged (see the inspiring stories > carrier on our > > website at tesp.org), having 15 judges favoring the program we > teach here > > could have been so useful to the TMO if it were broad- > > minded enough to recognize that values are not necessarily only in > dollars > > and cents. The New Jersey court cases 25 years ago clearly > established TM > > as unconstitutional and religious in nature. The work of the TESP > with the > > judges here offers strong proof against the notion of TM being > religious. > > Based on the TESP work, the TMO could be assured of a success in >
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Farrokh makes some excellent points. "some"? That's all you can concede to the guy, Spare Egg, is "some". How big of you. By using the word "some", you indicate a gap between observing that ALL of what he said is excellent and your use of "some". I'd be curious to know what exactly is it in Farroukh's letter that is NOT excellent or that you find fault with... > I wonder if MMY is aware of the > controversy or if Bevan is asserting authority as followup to a long- > time personality conflict... > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > To the many who have expressed their support or concerns to us, > this is to > > clarify our position with the TMO. > > > > Dr Michael Dillbeck recently asked to have the TESP research so it > could be > > included in the current volume on Scientific Research on TM. His > letter to > > us was forwarded to a mutual acquaintance, informing our friend > that this > > request from the TM movement certainly endorsed our position > because the TMO > > knew that we were not re-certified, not teaching in Stapathya Ved > premises, > > and not paying $2500 course fees for our probationers. That "mutual > > acquaintance", a diehard movement person, forwarded the email on to > Michael > > who responded that his request for our research ought not to be > construed as > > endorsement of what we were doing with the TESP! This ambiguous and > > hypocritical situation has been maintained by the TMO for years > now - they > > take whatever good they can from TESP and at the same time deny we > are a > > bona fide organization "worthy" of being in the TMO. > > > > What has been our crime? We refused to pay the $2500 course fee > for each > > probationer instructed. For many years, our organization paid the > course > > fees to the TMO when the fees were still in the reasonable range. > We ran up > > our personal credit card to pay these fees. Then, when the fee was > > arbitrarily raised to $2500 and no concession was given to TESP to > teach > > probationers sentenced by the court, we stopped paying course > fees. We were > > advised by a legal representative that we should change our name, > hence we > > say we teach Transcendental Stress Management. The only difference > in what > > we teach now is that our course is long (not 7 steps) as we provide > a > > 20-lesson course for probationers. Everything else is the same. > Many TM > > teachers have volunteered their services to teach probationers with > us over > > the years, and they can verify that we teach in precisely the same > way as > > all other teachers. The change of name is to prevent a lawsuit > from the TMO > > and to prevent embarrassment to the judiciary in St Louis when the > press > > reveals the strange goings-on in the TMO e.g. rajas, bagpipes, > limos, > > million-dollar courses etc. The judges cannot afford to be > embarrassed in > > this way. > > > > It should also be noted that in addition to the obvious service the > TESP is > > providing to the under-privileged (see the inspiring stories > carrier on our > > website at tesp.org), having 15 judges favoring the program we > teach here > > could have been so useful to the TMO if it were broad- > > minded enough to recognize that values are not necessarily only in > dollars > > and cents. The New Jersey court cases 25 years ago clearly > established TM > > as unconstitutional and religious in nature. The work of the TESP > with the > > judges here offers strong proof against the notion of TM being > religious. > > Based on the TESP work, the TMO could be assured of a success in > court if > > the matter were re-litigated. This is what we have been advised by > some of > > the judges here. So, in effect, we have given the movement victory > before > > even going to court - a matter that could have cost millions at > > re-litigation. > > > > Unfortunately, the movement places full emphasis on the money > aspect only, > > ignoring the big picture. The TESP is a non-profit 501 c 3 > organization. > > The TMO could easily have made a special concession for us to > continue to > > teach TM with the goodwill of all. Instead, they penalized us in > every way > > possible to conform to their unreasonable rules and requests. The > result - > > we're not re-certified and have no intention of re-certifying. We > stand > > alone and are grateful for the support of so many Governors, Sidhas > and > > meditators in the field who have written us on the matter. > > > > If a doctor has the knowledge to heal, is it right for him to pass > a patient > > in dire need because he cannot afford the doctor's fee? If we are > teachers > > of "supreme knowledge" with the gift to remove suffering, how much > greater > > is our sin if we fail to use
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's "Cosmic Consciousness" seem to miss.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:33 PM, off_world_beings wrote: > > > << > and "mind") >>> > > > > > > This is the early stages of TM. > > Really? In the early stages of TM people cease breathing for hours or > day at a time? > > > Are Buddhists still on the slow boat to Never Never Land. > > Maybe you should ask a Buddhist. > > > > > << > for CC. >> > > > > > > "Rain of Virtues" = Moodmaking (a common Buddhist technique). > > Rain of Virtues = pada four of Patanjali... Well, yeah! And according to Taimni, dharma-megha- samaadhi is the highest degree of (nirbiija-)samaadhi! prasaMkhyaane 'py akusiidasya sarvathaa *viveka-khyaater* dharma-meghaH samaadhiH (IV 29) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's "Cosmic Consciousness" seem to m
On Nov 4, 2005, at 10:25 AM, akasha_108 wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Nov 4, 2005, at 12:09 AM, akasha_108 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'll leave that topic for the diehard M. fans to chew on. Hmmm, so you won't answer the question... He's like Bush. He doesn't need to explain himself. Didn't you know? Well, maybe he heard it from God. Maybe because I know Judy and Lawson possess weapons of mass spiritual destruction (WMSD). I'm sorry, I cannot release my source. Um, Tim Russert ? Although we retain the right to leak it at anytime To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO
--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert > Gimbel" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Perhaps it is a clash of ego's; > > Or at least one ego? > > Isn't it the ego, that is constantly concerned > with; > > Money, power and control? > > When one is fulfilled from within, completely in > Bliss; > > How could one be concerned with money, power, > lust, greed, > > And control? > > > My ego is always concerned with being fulfilled from > within, > completely in Bliss, but it is still my ego. > > (To paraphrase the waffle ad: "Leggo my Ego...") I bet my ego is bigger than your ego..hahahaha...and handsomer too! > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Anklesaria's' position with the TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Perhaps it is a clash of ego's; > Or at least one ego? > Isn't it the ego, that is constantly concerned with; > Money, power and control? > When one is fulfilled from within, completely in Bliss; > How could one be concerned with money, power, lust, greed, > And control? > My ego is always concerned with being fulfilled from within, completely in Bliss, but it is still my ego. (To paraphrase the waffle ad: "Leggo my Ego...") Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- Vaj wrote: > > > Since integration of the senses with pure consciousness is complete > > > in CC, one retains complete awareness of surroundings during sleep. > > > That is, one would continue to hear sounds and feel sensations, etc. > > > > Peter of the No I writes: > > Lots of good stuff in your post, Vaj, but I have > > serious questions regarding the above. Awareness of > > surroundings, but not through the senses. The buddhi > > doesn't function on a gross level during sleep. > > > > Tom T writes: > > It is my experience that one can have complete awareness of > > surroundings during sleep. The only problemo is that of complete and > > utter boredom. It is like watching the old Test Pattern on TV which > > used to be on most of the night. After so many nights of the same > > bedroom and the same bed it is all the same, all the same. After a > > while one just shuts it down. Deep sleep is preferable to total > > boredom. Spend weeks, months and years being aware of your intimate > > surroundings and see how long before you shut it down. TOm > > > > I get this and find it just as boring a lot of the time and would like > to avoid it if I could. > You can and you don't have long to wait. The night always arrives on time. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Constitution
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok, ok. > The United States is the Greatest Country in the World. > Our constitution is Perfect. > President Bush, is a perfect expression, of our crazy times.. > And is obviously much more qualified to lead our crazy country, > In these crazy time. > I had this simple picture come to mind recently- a sphere of black and white, upper hemisphere white, lower hemisphere black, representing the three gunas, tamas on the bottom, sattva on the top, and rajas in the middle. Lately it seems easy to superimpose any thought, speech or action that I observe, mine or anyone else's, on this model. If something observed is sattvic, the sphere appears to roll forward, causing its head-on image to be predominately white and less black. If something observed is tamasic, the sphere rolls backwards, exposing more black, less white. Seems balanced in the middle most of the time. Which surprised me, given the collective concerns over the darkness in the world. Although such concerns are valid, and I am not advocating living in a fool's paradise, it doesn't appear to me that we now live in a particularly dark time here on Earth. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Civil Suit Goes To Court: A Scorned Lover, Glue And A Naked Man
Hi akasha, You may be right about jyotish research methods. I have a harder time thinking of examples of what you describe than for western astrology. Some members of ACVA (American Council of Vedic Astrologers) probably do. I haven't kept up on the astrology world since Sailor Bob's visit last year. I've noticed that many astrologers (of western and/or jyotish) are more like mystics, and if they even attempt to approach astrology like you describe, do that mystically too. To me there's left-brain astrology and right-brain astrology and both approaches have their good and bad astrologers, and of course some can synthesize the two approaches. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "vashtirama" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Just as I read this, my 6-year old came in and said, "Mommy, look: I > > glued my hands together." Then he stood there transfixed by them for > > almost 10 minutes. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > It a Glue Day -- must be a jyotish thing. > > > Thats funny. And cute. And interesting -- my comment was part joking, > part reflecting on experience when I said, "it must be a jyotish thing". > > Its imbibed in common sayings, "it happens in threes" or "when it > rains it pours" -- which for me indicate that at times, the same not > so frquent phenomenon occurs repeatedly in short bursts -- then not > again for some time. Some can be attrributed to random chance. But it > happens enough that it seems beyond random. Like certain times are > just ripe for certain things to happen. > > For example, a while back, everything just broke. My car broke down, > my pc broke down, my tv broke, the washer broke. Like all within 3 > days. Each event in themselves is quite infrequent. All happening to > gether has a quite rare probability. > > I think jyotish could be both tested and enhanced greatly (assuming > there is some "there, there" which I know many on the list reject) by > working backwards: using such "coincident" points to identify > planetery patterns, look at those same patterns historically and see > if similar grouped coincidences occurred, weed out extraneous > planetary factors, then look for such councidences at future times of > such planetery patterns (and the ABSENCE of their occurence in the > absence of the planetary pattern -- a very key point). > > Then look to jyotish texts and traditions to see if there is a classic > explanation for such. Further refine the model, re-backcast, and set > up future predictions. If the pattern is a successful predictor, log > it. Add it to a protfolio of useful jyotish tools. Use it to calibrate > what classic texts say -- assumming there is a correspondence -- that > is, used the observed phenomenon, and successful predictor pattern, > to be a way of taking ancient, sometimes a bit symbolic text, and > adapting it to modern life and phenomenon. > > A weakness of current jyotish practice, it seems to me, is that there > is not much such historical calibration. I have had pundits say "this > is what Parashara said, this is what will occur". But its to general > to be useful. > > Just looking to simple jyotish patterns, looking at social events, not > individuals, some interesting things pop out. By themselves, > intriguing, but they dont prove anything by themselves. They need the > backcasting and prediction cycles of refinement I spoke of above. > Jupiter completes a cycle every 12 years. Saturn every 29.7 or so > years, and Saturn and Jupiter are conjunct (together) every 20 years, > and conjunct in same sign every 60 or so years (every two cycles of > Saturn). Some pretty coincident stuff occurs when you look at these > cycles. > > I used to play with this and observed things like the Microsoft > anti-trust case was at its peak very close to 60 years from when the > Rockerfeller Standard Oil Trust was broken up. > > And how many times has the US been attacked in its history. Not many. > Pearl Harbor, Dec 7, 1941 and 9/11, Sept 11, 2001, about 60 years -- > two full cycle of Saturn -- with Saturn and Jupiter conjunct in the > same sign. Is there something in the US chart that would indicate this > is an "invastion time"? What happened in 1881, 1821 and 1761 or there > abouts (the planets are conjunct over a year or two)? > > 2001 9/11 > 1941 Pearl Harbor > > 1881 July 20 1881 - Indian Wars: Sioux chief Sitting Bull leads the > last of his fugitive people in surrender to United States troops > September 19 1881- James Abram Garfield, President of the United > States dies due to an infected wound caused by an assassin's > bullet and is succeeded by Vice President Chester Alan Arthur. > > 1880 > January 9 1880- The Great Gale of 1880 strikes areas in Oregon and > Washington. > October 1880- terrible winter storm in North America, the "Blizzard > of 1880". > > 1822 September 7 - Brazil declares its
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's "Cosmic Consciousness" seem to m
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Nov 4, 2005, at 12:09 AM, akasha_108 wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > >> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > I'll leave that topic for the diehard M. fans to chew on. > >>> > >>> Hmmm, so you won't answer the question... > >>> > >> > >> He's like Bush. He doesn't need to explain himself. > >> Didn't you know? > >> > > > > Well, maybe he heard it from God. > > Maybe because I know Judy and Lawson possess weapons of mass > spiritual destruction (WMSD). > > I'm sorry, I cannot release my source. Um, Tim Russert ? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Was Letter from Farrokh - Now Situation in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My initator who taught me TM has worked in the TMO in India for more than 30 years. Being right there in india is a plus, but being full time in the tmo for so long is a negative for accurate understanding - we've all seen the incredible self-serving spin the tmo puts on events to cast blame on others when it was their own incompetence really at fault. > He told me that some of Maharishi's schools were hijacked by the principals running them. Maharishi's name board was removed, and the schools were literaly stolen. Indian-TMO had to go to the courts to get the culprits evicted and get back control over the schools. > > Once, in late 1970's, my initatior was sitting with Maharishi in Delhi, a guy hijacked Maharishi's school. Maharishi told him on the phone that he will not pay him salary. This guy tells Maharishi to fuck off.!! I wonder how you hijack a school. Were the principals simply doing a little competent independent thinking? Probably there was some financial corruption involved too, though all reports from india that I've gotten is that the nephews are the prime recipients of the corruption. Maybe these hijacking principals were not going along with that. IN short I don't think there are any clear good guys with these schools, but a turf war among competing corrupt gangs. > Maharishi gave an order that every initator be provided with a jeep, and also given pension scheme. As soon as Maharishi left india that order was completly ignored. Pension was deducted from the salaries of initators, but none of the retired or resigned initators have received pension or provident fund till date. We know how MMY gives different instructions to different people - maybe that's involved. MMY giving a jeep to initiators goes against everything we know about how he operates elsewhere. Maybe true but very unusual. I remember living in NOIDA during vedic science course and coming home one night to find pundits burning the tents, protesting not getting paid for some time. > Sometime in the early 1980's, the Indian-TMO began to ignore virtualy every instruction given by Maharishi. It seems any little dissent or independence is promptly squelched in the US - how is india so different? > I think Maharishi last visited india in 1992, He became very sick. He was very badly taken care of. Only Ayurvedic medicines was given to him and Maharishi was about to die.!! > An intelligent brahmachari [forgot name] threw all these Jokers out, and bundled Maharishi into a Plane to Europe, where Maharishi received Allopathic treatment.!! He recovered and two years later, Maharishi and Tony Nader came out with the discovery of the 40 devatas manifested in the Human Physiology.!! He had a heart attack plus kidney failure. Probably the idiots on the scene tried ayurved, though that's not surprising given MMY's statements at the time concerning ayurved vs allopathic. He was eventually taken to Chopra's father, who was still a highly respected practicing cardiologist in new delhi, who stabilized him. Then Deepak (and probably this brahmachari) accompanied him to London for full allopathic treatment - conflicting stories as to whether he received bypass or just angioplasty. > The fact is these Jokers almost killed Maharishi and providence saved him.!! Allopathic medicine saved him, and according to his former personal physician who now lives in DC, MMY has relied exclusively on western medicine, the best money can buy in both Holland and London, since then. > Misappropriation and embezzelment of funds is rampant in Indian-TMO, comparable to corruption in Red-cross or United-Nations. This is definitely the word out of india, pundit donations going all over the place. The question is who is doing the embezzling. We know from the accounts of the personal secretaries involved that in the 70s MMY was taking suitcases of cash out of the US to Europe to Swiss banks, accounts in his name. It's a fair question to ask if this is still going on from India and if MMY's family are involved. > I think sometime in the early 1980's, Maharishi began to lose his grip on his organisation. > > Paramahansa Yogananda handpicked a few people gave them intensive training, made sure they are top quality teachers before authorising them to teach Kriya-yoga. Though if you read the blogs and chat groups of that org. they are dealing with all sorts of scandal and disappointment. The masses can't stand "the Mothers" who are in charge. > Maharishi made the mistake of mass producing too many half-baked initators by the thousands, and in the process lost control over the movement itself.! Look at the employee turn-over in the organisation. In Management principles, if a company has that kind of turnover something is seriously wrong with that company. Yes. > I think in the past 15 year
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
I get this and find it just as boring a lot of the time and would like to avoid it if I could. I had the same problem with sleep. I don’t think sleeping less is a huge sign of enlightenment, so I’m not claiming anything, but there was a good year of my life (and it still happens off and on) that I was lucky to get 4 hours of sleep. After four to five hours, I was completely awake. Normally I don’t think it would be so bad, but when you are walking around a house (and a city) where everyone else is asleep, the cat and dog are even asleep…oh my god it can start getting to you. For a couple of months I did a lot of writing and art and cleaning and…..there are really a LOT of hours in a day. I just had to retrain myself to sleep…whether I needed it or not. Now, I can finally lie down and just systematically shut down (thank god) ….but I feel bad for people that report these types of problems. It can get really disturbing in western society when you don’t sleep a lot. I’m a dolt…seriously. If I can train myself to sleep normal again, then anyone can. Good luck to you guys…that bites (I know). ~Paula To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shankara promises to give his head to Kapalika
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> The masters of my [Kapalika's] school say
> that the sacrifice of the head of one who
> has been pure all through life is what leads
> to the fullfilment of one's object. In this
> world there is hardly any one who fulfils
> these requirements. So I salute you. Be
> gracious enough to give me your head." So
> saying the Kapalika prostrated himself before
> Shankara. Without thinking much of the pros
> and cons of this request, Shankara, who was
> full of mercy to suppliants, replied as follows:
> "Gladly shall I give you my head. I do not find
> anything wrong in your request. Who that knows
> the body to be perishable will be reluctant to
> gift it for the good of others.
>
> -- Maadhava-VidyaaraNya, Shankara-dig-vijaya
>
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for his food (he belongs to the left-hand sect) VarBr2S. Bhartr2. i ,
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fourth?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > What the...is the fourth (caturtha) [praaNaayaama]? > > > > baahyaabhyantara-viSayaakSepii caturthaH (II 51). > > So that's what it is! I've been wondering about that > for decades now. Thank you! ;-) The Sanskrit line wasn't meant to be an answer, it's just for completeness' sake [is that a Japanese alcoholic beverage, or stuff?]...so to speak! :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fourth?
--- cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What the...is the fourth (caturtha) [praaNaayaama]? > > baahyaabhyantara-viSayaakSepii caturthaH (II 51). So that's what it is! I've been wondering about that for decades now. Thank you! ;-) > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's "Cosmic Consciousness" seem to miss.
On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:33 PM, off_world_beings wrote: << and "mind") >>> This is the early stages of TM. Really? In the early stages of TM people cease breathing for hours or day at a time? Are Buddhists still on the slow boat to Never Never Land.Maybe you should ask a Buddhist. << for CC. >> "Rain of Virtues" = Moodmaking (a common Buddhist technique).Rain of Virtues = pada four of Patanjali... retain such knowledge, a species of "photographic memory" is necessary--so much so that volumes of pure knowledge can be seamlessly retained and repeated without flaw (or very minimal error).>>> No. Access through the higher Self to the Akashic realm is all that is needed. It is like the internet. I have a computer, but not all the knowledge of the internet is stored on it, yet I have access to a vast database through the connection. There is no need to remember anythingexcept your higher Self (the transcendent)What higher Self; what "Akashic realm"? <<<--Sleep. In the state of turiyatita, Cosmic Consciousness, sleep become an epiphenomenon rather than the basic phenomenon important for "rest" of the physical body. One of the important qualities of CC is the total integration of the senses with the void. >>> Call a spade a spade. Your 'Void' is called the Transcendent by Maharishi.Well no not really--the "transcendent" is merely the calm state. Whether you ascertain the void or not ( : -) ) is another question. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's "Cosmic Consciousness" seem to m
On Nov 4, 2005, at 12:09 AM, akasha_108 wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'll leave that topic for the diehard M. fans to chew on. Hmmm, so you won't answer the question... He's like Bush. He doesn't need to explain himself. Didn't you know? Well, maybe he heard it from God. Maybe because I know Judy and Lawson possess weapons of mass spiritual destruction (WMSD).I'm sorry, I cannot release my source. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Shankara promises to give his head to Kapalika
The masters of my [Kapalika's] school say that the sacrifice of the head of one who has been pure all through life is what leads to the fullfilment of one's object. In this world there is hardly any one who fulfils these requirements. So I salute you. Be gracious enough to give me your head." So saying the Kapalika prostrated himself before Shankara. Without thinking much of the pros and cons of this request, Shankara, who was full of mercy to suppliants, replied as follows: "Gladly shall I give you my head. I do not find anything wrong in your request. Who that knows the body to be perishable will be reluctant to gift it for the good of others. -- Maadhava-VidyaaraNya, Shankara-dig-vijaya Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF , Active Spiritual Practice Groups
Looking at Fairfield.I ran into two sets of different folks yesterday who were out on the streets of Fairfield looking for places here to re-settle here. One from the West Coast with coastal property lierally. The other from NY. Both were clutching copies of the Weekly Reader's "FF Directory of Active Spiritual Practice Groups" which Fairfudlians had provided them with..They are excited about Fairfield because of what is going on here in the active spiritual meditating community, not really because of the TMO. Actually both sets were pretty offended by how it goes with the TMO now and its corruptions. Both were pretty clear about expressing that. It is real interesting in trend to see how many new comers have moved here already because of the larger meditatingcommunity. The preamble of the Directory says it well: "Directory of Active Fairfield Spiritual Practice Groups Outside of Fairfield, people intently ask, "What is going on in Fairfield?" The spiritual, utopian side of Fairfield is something they are wondering about. Fairfield has become recognized as a spiritual Mecca of sorts, ranking with Sedona, Arizona, Boulder and Crestone, Colorado, Ashville, North Carolina and the like. Within these past three decades, Fairfield spiritual practice groups have matured, giving this community a rich, new face. The long-time Fairfield meditating community today is its own center for spiritual practice. The breadth of spiritual practice groups in Fairfield is now a unique feature of our town in the 21st Century." The directory was posted at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/77260 -Doug --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Fairfield Weekly Reader this week published a directory of 'active > spiritual practice groups' in Fairfield. Twenty seven groups listed. > > In looking over the list there is a range, but they are active ones. > Evidently there is a lot of spiritual practice going on here > independent of the TMO. Going through the list, it is pretty evident > too that there are now way more people living here doing 'other > things'than going to the domes. > > -Doug > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's "Cosmic Consciousness" seem to miss.
On Nov 3, 2005, at 10:39 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:11 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:On Nov 3, 2005, at 7:46 PM, authfriend wrote: It's mildly interesting to know that different systems put their labels at different stages of the enlightenment process, but it says nothing whatsoever about the relative effectiveness of the systems. That's just it, it's the same label: Mahesh calls it turiyatita also--it's just that he also translates as "Cosmic Consciousness" into English. He has also indicated the traditional synonyms, so it is talking of the same state--although he has only ever given the basic features of someone approaching the state (that I've heard).Whatis your background with MMY's discussions? I've only had the SCI tape course and the busy-work lectures from the TM centers and the busywork lectures from the TM-Sidhis (8-week in residence) course. It seems to me that MMY has touched upon all the criteria that you mentioned earlier at one point or another... I'll leave that topic for the diehard M. fans to chew on. Hmmm, so you won't answer the question... IMO, no he does not touch on the full criteria and experience of turiyatita ("Cosmic Consciousness"), let alone the full path to attain it--although he does admit that 1) samkhya is the structure of CC and 2) Patanjali the means. If it's obvious to you that you were never taught Patanjali fully, then there's your answer. If you think you already were taught Patanjali, then you already have it.
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On Nov 3, 2005, at 10:39 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] told. It's funny where the experience stops is almost always there-- sometimes with the occasional embellishment or addition. That's very telling, esp. if you have experience yourself... Why share such info in the first place? Presumably to teach, the impetus being compassion, not ego. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Short List of Items People Claiming MMY's
On Nov 3, 2005, at 9:35 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:--- Vaj wrote: Since integration of the senses with pure consciousness is complete in CC, one retains complete awareness of surroundings during sleep. That is, one would continue to hear sounds and feel sensations, etc. Peter of the No I writes: Lots of good stuff in your post, Vaj, but I have serious questions regarding the above. Awareness of surroundings, but not through the senses. The buddhi doesn't function on a gross level during sleep. Tom T writes: It is my experience that one can have complete awareness of surroundings during sleep. The only problemo is that of complete and utter boredom. It is like watching the old Test Pattern on TV which used to be on most of the night. After so many nights of the same bedroom and the same bed it is all the same, all the same. After a while one just shuts it down. Deep sleep is preferable to total boredom. Spend weeks, months and years being aware of your intimate surroundings and see how long before you shut it down. TOm Yogic sleep *is* a form of deep sleep, albeit as Gaudapada notes, it is blissful. Thus there is more "charm" in yogic deep sleep than in regular deep sleep. Some people have suggested this may be another reason that yogic sleep is so rejuvenating, the bliss is the nervous system in deep rest.When to much attention is present, yogic sleep becomes not only more of a sleep disturbance, but also extremely boring. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Fourth?
What the...is the fourth (caturtha) [praaNaayaama]? baahyaabhyantara-viSayaakSepii caturthaH (II 51). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
