[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > Don't know about loans, but I've heard that the Berkeley center has > > been teaching 10-12 a month at the new course fee, at least for the > > past couple of months, which seems surprising. I don't know how > > consistent it has been, where the people are coming from, or if this > > is common in other cites. These are probably not the people who > would > > take out loans. > > > > *Used* cars in Finland: > > http://www.nettiauto.com/home.php?VF=0&BF=0 > > For instance, Pontiac Firebird 1986, 4800 euros > (approximately the same in USD). Actually, that's about 5750 USD. > > Opel Manta 1981, 2300 euros, (USD 2750) and so on :D > > > > > > > > > > Can you name one person or center where there are students taking > out > > > $2500 loans so they can learn TM? > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Don't know about loans, but I've heard that the Berkeley center has > been teaching 10-12 a month at the new course fee, at least for the > past couple of months, which seems surprising. I don't know how > consistent it has been, where the people are coming from, or if this > is common in other cites. These are probably not the people who would > take out loans. > *Used* cars in Finland: http://www.nettiauto.com/home.php?VF=0&BF=0 For instance, Pontiac Firebird 1986, 4800 euros (approximately the same in USD). Opel Manta 1981, 2300 euros, and so on :D > > > > > Can you name one person or center where there are students taking out > > $2500 loans so they can learn TM? > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ~ TIBETAN PERSONALITY TEST ~
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Dalai Lama suggests you read it to see if it works for you. Just to be accurate, this "test," while fun, has nothing whatsoever to do with the Dalai Lama. The Internet is full of stuff that people wrote and then tacked his name onto. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
I don't know how many "elite" people the posters who are coming up with these theories have talked to lately, but among the ones I know, nothing on Earth could possibly be considered more passé, old, *not* in vogue, or downright embarrassing to be part of than TM. It has all the allure and sexiness of being Presbyterian. The people who are looking for the "spiritually hip" thing to do just *ain't* gonna consider TM. To believe that they might if we just dress it up nice and charge more for it is just an indication of how far out of touch the TM movement is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Perhaps you are mixing apples and oranges. How many "elites" -- for > simplicity lets say those making over $300,000 /year, go to the local, > ubiquitous type of kinda funky yoga studio at the local small mall? > > Not many. They go to an expensive health club or spa to learn the same > thing. Many other examples possible where those making good incomes > are willing to pay a large premium for conveninece, competence, and > "class" (nice surroundings, people like them). Why do they pay $400 a > night to stay in a nice hotel when the local Motel 6 also has a bed > and shower? Why do they pay 35,000 and $300 a month to belong to a > private golf club when they could use the local public one for free? > > And while I am not saying it will happen, its not out of the realm of > possibilities that a wave of new high grade and respected research > will be published on TM. This would (further) differentiates TM from > other techniques -- (even if research would show the same for other > programs -- if it does not exist, TM will be strongly differentiated.) > > And its not unreasonable the the "new" TM (taught in a SV bulidng, by > teachers doing program 6 hours a day, living in SV house, etc) may > have positive factors associated with it. > > It is not a differentiated set of qualities that you would pay a > premium for. The top 2-5% of the population may very well be willing > for the "right" product. Again, I am not saying the new TM will fill > the bill, but its not an unreasonable conjecture that it might. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" wrote: > > > > I don't think the elite of the world give a flying u-know-what about > > TM and paying $2500 to learn it. It is *passe* at this point. There > > are far too many more modern methods in the spiritual supermarket > > these days. > > > > At the local natural foods co-op where I shop, there is the requisite > > magazine rack near the registers loaded with the modern spiritual > > versions of the popular magazines-a vast variety of things to choose > > from-all kinds of meditation practices, all kinds of sexual preference > > magazines, gardening, cooking, etc. > > > > Most cities and towns including little tiny ones I've driven through > > have yoga offered and the *commonest* of people, the people who we > > never would have expected to find taking yoga, are now joining in the > > classes. > > > > Kaiser Permanente offeres Mindfulness Training classes, sometimes they > > are free. There are endless books, tapes, cds and now dvds available > > to learn to meditate and do yoga and you can now do so on your 52 inch > > plasma tv screen in full technicolor with a surround sound system. > > > > Who wants to learn TM from a gaunt looking couple anymore? > > > > Can you name one person or center where there are students taking out > > $2500 loans so they can learn TM? > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > Say what you will about his odd tastes, the man > > > > > puts *his* money where his beliefs are. He could > > > > > be taking his money and investing it in real > > > > > estate the way the TM movement does, but he's not. > > > > > He's actually doing something to help people. The > > > > > day the TM movement does the same, it'll regain > > > > > a tiny bit of its vanished credibility. > > > > > > > > >I understand what he's doing and admire the fact he's figured > out a > > > > way to do it, but it still boggles the mind that he has to do it > that > > > way. > > > > > > Elite people like to go to elite places. They don't mind too much > > > if "worthy" individuals are given a helping hand along the way, but > > > they don't like rubbing shoulders with the non-elite. > > > > > > > > > MMY's stated goal these days is to reach the elite with > meditation. The > > > non-elite (most of us reading/writing this) are welcome as well if > they > > > can raise the money. I don't know the financing of Lynch's > foundation, > > > but he's thrown open the doors for ANY student to apply for financial > > > aid: > > > > > > > > > htt
[FairfieldLife] Even intellect?
See Maharishi's commentary on VI 9.
Then, compare it with this:
http://www.asitis.com/6/9.html
The compound word Maharishi translates to
'even intellect', most probably is
'sama-buddhi(H)', NOT 'sama-dhi'.
('sama-buddhir' below is a "sandhied"
form).
--
Chapter 6. Sankhya-yoga
TEXT 9
suhrn-mitrary-udasina-
madhyastha-dvesya-bandhusu
sadhusv api ca papesu
**sama-buddhir** visisyate
SYNONYMS
su-hrt--by nature a well-wisher; mitra--benefactor with affection;
ari--enemy; udasina--neutral between belligerents; madhya-stha--
mediator between the belligerents; dvesya--envious; bandhusu--among
relatives or well-wishers; sadhusu--unto the pious; api--as well as;
ca--and; papesu--unto the sinners; ***sama-buddhih--having equal
intelligence***; visisyate--is far advanced.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > > > > on 3/23/06 2:16 PM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Also, the TMO is working hard to make educators aware of the > > potential > > > > of TM as well as of the financing available to take advantage of it: > > > > > > They shouldn't bother, because as soon as the educators get wind of > > rajas, > > > Hail Mugabe, and rebuilding all the world's cities, they'll run > > scared. > > > OTOH, they may go to Mike Scozzari, Farrokh, and other independent > > teachers > > > who'll teach TM pure and simple, at a reasonable price. > > > > > > > Perhaps you're right, or perhaps they'll read the bitterness of the > > independent teachers, realize that the Rajah thing is just a loyalty > > test, chuckle, and go with what seems to be the organization more > > likely to survive in the long run. > > > > Now, I may have heard it all. Loyalty test, sure. Actually, I'm not the only one who suspects this. Everyone that I have > seen take a look at the new rajas on the web don't ever mention an > interest in TM again. Did you mention to those who've glanced at the pictures that the rajahs had to pay a million dollars each for the privledge of wearing the funny hats? Do your friends laugh at the shriner hospitals BTW? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM geek news
on 3/23/06 7:24 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > http://snipurl.com/o24b > > "Not many people expected the "replace your proprietary OS with Linux" > movement to strike a blow against the engineers in Cupertino instead > of Redmond, but that is just what one educator has done. > > After seeing this story on a couple of sites, I thought this had to be > a joke. Professor Gurdy Leete, with a domain called > PeaceLoveAndHappiness.org? Maharishi University of Management? > Trancedental consciousness as part of the curriculum?" Very clever. I created the desktop publishing at MIU and taught it for several years. Our budget made it impossible to afford legal copies of all the software we needed, so I usually "shared" one copy among all the students. Gurdy has gotten around this by using Linux and free counterparts to the software his students will need to know in the real world. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 3/23/06 2:16 PM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: > > > > > > Also, the TMO is working hard to make educators aware of the > potential > > > of TM as well as of the financing available to take advantage of it: > > > > They shouldn't bother, because as soon as the educators get wind of > rajas, > > Hail Mugabe, and rebuilding all the world's cities, they'll run > scared. > > OTOH, they may go to Mike Scozzari, Farrokh, and other independent > teachers > > who'll teach TM pure and simple, at a reasonable price. > > > > Perhaps you're right, or perhaps they'll read the bitterness of the > independent teachers, realize that the Rajah thing is just a loyalty > test, chuckle, and go with what seems to be the organization more > likely to survive in the long run. > Now, I may have heard it all. Loyalty test, sure. Everyone that I have seen take a look at the new rajas on the web don't ever mention an interest in TM again. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Director to appear at Maharishi seminar - Des Moines Register
n idea. And I fall in love with what cinema can do >with the idea," he said. > >"It's time people got with the program. They don't have to suffer. They >don't have to be afraid." > >--- > >Details > >WHAT: The seminar "Exploring the Frontiers of Consciousness, Creativity and >the Brain." Filmmaker David Lynch, quantum physicist John Hagelin and >singer/songwriter Donovan Leitch will appear at the conference. > >WHEN: Friday-Sunday > >WHERE: Maharishi University of Management, Fairfield > >COST: $45 for students of any college or school, $75 for educators and >government workers, $115 for the general public. Organic vegetarian meals >served during the weekend are included in the cost. > >REGISTER: Visit lynchweekend.org for required advance registration. > >-- > >http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060323/NEWS08/6032 >30363/1010 > >-- > >DAVID LYNCH FOUNDATION ADDENDUM: > >The goal of the David Lynch Foundation for Consciousness-Based Education and >World Peace is to partner with peace-loving foundations and philanthropists >to establish and permanently endow universities, colleges and/or schools of >world peace in major cities throughout the United States and around the >world, and to provide scholarships for students in existing schools, >colleges, and universities who wish to learn the Transcendental Meditation >technique. > > >Ken Chawkin >Media Relations >MUM-SU37 >Fairfield, IA 52557 >T: 641-470-1314 >F: 641-470-1311 >E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >"All truth passes through three stages. >First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. >Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." >- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) > > > >To subscribe, send a message to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Or go to: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ >and click 'Join This Group!' >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yoga, Chi Kung, Huna, Reiki ~~ Comparisons and Contrasts
Thanks for this referral, Sparaig, I'll explore it further over the next few days. :-) Flourishingly,Dharma MitraDharmaMitra2 AT gmail.comHelping you "Say It With Panache!"Because, how you say it can be, and often is, as important as what you want to convey, and what you have to say is very important to you.http://PROUT-Ananlysis-Synthesis.latest-info.com Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society. On 3/23/06, sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dharma Mitra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Yoga, Chi Kung, Huna, Reiki and other shamanistic practices forattaining> liberation, cultivating our subtler realms, our human essence.>> Do you have any comparison and contrast charts or other materials that > compare and contrast any of these practices with another in therealms of:A good starting point for comparing scientific research would be theEsalen Institute's online book that summarizes the results of several thousand studies on various forms of meditation. They may have otherresources available as well on their website.http://www.esalenctr.org/index.cfm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yoga, Chi Kung, Huna, Reiki ~~ Comparisons and Contrasts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dharma Mitra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yoga, Chi Kung, Huna, Reiki and other shamanistic practices for attaining > liberation, cultivating our subtler realms, our human essence. > > Do you have any comparison and contrast charts or other materials that > compare and contrast any of these practices with another in the realms of: A good starting point for comparing scientific research would be the Esalen Institute's online book that summarizes the results of several thousand studies on various forms of meditation. They may have other resources available as well on their website. http://www.esalenctr.org/index.cfm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Yoga, Chi Kung, Huna, Reiki ~~ Comparisons and Contrasts
Yoga, Chi Kung, Huna, Reiki and other shamanistic practices for attaining liberation, cultivating our subtler realms, our human essence. Do you have any comparison and contrast charts or other materials that compare and contrast any of these practices with another in the realms of: Psychology Cosmology Physiology Brain Mind Individual Mind Cosmic Mind Intuitional Practices This would be precious to learn. If you have a partial comparison it can be added to a larger accumulation, I will share results with everyone. Flourishingly,Dharma MitraDharmaMitra2 AT gmail.comHelping you "Say It With Panache!" Because, how you say it can be, and often is, as important as what you want to convey, and what you have to say is very important to you. Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity What is Tantra? The process of transforming animality or latent divinity into the Supreme Divinity is known as Tantra. The spiritual practice which liberates the aspirant from dullness or animality and expands one's self is Tantrik practice (sa'dhana'). So, there cannot be any spiritual practice without Tantra. Spiritual practice means a practice for expansion, and this expansion is nothing but a liberation from the bondage of all sorts of dullness. Irrespective of caste, creed or religion, one who aspires for spiritual expansion, or does something concrete, is a Tantrika. Tantra in itself is neither a religion nor an "ism". It is the fundamental science of spirituality. There is a common desire in each and every human mind, and that desire differentiates a human from an animal, a human from a plant. What is that difference? It wants to expand . Secondly, it wants to become one with the Cosmic Consciousness. Thirdly, it wants to do something noble; and fourthly, it wants peace, supreme peace, undisturbed peace. These are the four special qualifications of human beings. So Yoga is the path of progress, the path of development for each and every human being. In individual life we should practice yoga, and in collective life we should encourage others to practice yoga. It is the panacea of all human ailments, in the physical realm, in the psychic realm and also in the spiritual realm. Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society. http://PROUT-Ananlysis-Synthesis.latest-info.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: ~ TIBETAN PERSONALITY TEST ~
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > What a load of rubbish. Surprised at you, Jim! > > > > > waste of time. > > I highly doubt the Dalai Llama had anything to do with this. > > I've seen it before.Don'trecall the Dali Lama being mentioned beforethough. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] TM geek news
http://snipurl.com/o24b "Not many people expected the "replace your proprietary OS with Linux" movement to strike a blow against the engineers in Cupertino instead of Redmond, but that is just what one educator has done. After seeing this story on a couple of sites, I thought this had to be a joke. Professor Gurdy Leete, with a domain called PeaceLoveAndHappiness.org? Maharishi University of Management? Trancedental consciousness as part of the curriculum?" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ~ TIBETAN PERSONALITY TEST ~
on 3/23/06 6:17 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > waste of time. > > I highly doubt the Dalai Llama had anything to do with this. This is all that Snopes has to say about the Dalai Lama: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/dalai.asp http://www.snopes.com/rumors/dalai.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ~ TIBETAN PERSONALITY TEST ~
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What a load of rubbish. Surprised at you, Jim! waste of time. I highly doubt the Dalai Llama had anything to do with this. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > Note: this was forwarded to me by a friend- > > ``` > > > > Take your time with this test and you may be amazed. > > > > The Dalai Lama suggests you read it to see if it works for you. Very > > Interesting. > > > > Just 4 questions and the answers will surprise you. > > > > Be honest and do not cheat by looking up the answers. The mind is > > like a parachute, it works best when it is opened. This is fun to > > do, but you have to follow the instructions very closely. Do not > > cheat. > > > > MAKE A WISH BEFORE BEGINNING THE TEST! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >A warning! Answer the questions as you go along. There are only 4 > > questions and if you see them all before finishing, you will not > > have honest results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Go down slowly, and complete each exercise as you scroll down. > > > > > >Don't look ahead. Get pencil and paper to write your answers as you > > go along. > > > > > >You will need it at the end. This is an honest questionnaire which > > will tell you a lot about your true self. Give an answer for each > > item. The first thing that comes to mind is usually your best > > answer. Remember - no one sees this but you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(1) Put the following 5 animals in the order of your preference: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Cow, Tiger, Sheep, Horse, Pig > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(2) Write one word that describes each one of the following: Dog, > > Cat, Rat, Coffee, Sea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(3) Think of someone, who also knows you and is important to you, > > which you can relate them to the following colors. Do not repeat > > your answer twice. > > Name just one person for each color: > > > > Yellow, Orange, Red, White, Green. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(4) Finally, write down your favorite number, and your favorite day > > of the week. > > > > > >FINISHED? Please be sure that your answers are what you REALLY > WANT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Look at the interpretations below: But first before continuing, > > > REPEAT your wish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ANSWERS: > > > > > > > > >(1) This will define your priorities in your life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Cow Signifies CAREER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Tiger Signifies PRIDE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sheep Signifies LOVE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Horse Signifies FAMILY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Pig Signifies MONEY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(2) Your description of dog implies your own personality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your description of cat implies the personality of your partner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your description of rat implies the personality of your enemies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your description of coffee is how you interpret sex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your description of the sea implies your own life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(3) Yellow: Someone you will never forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Orange: S
[FairfieldLife] Re: ~ TIBETAN PERSONALITY TEST ~
What a load of rubbish. Surprised at you, Jim! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Note: this was forwarded to me by a friend- > ``` > > Take your time with this test and you may be amazed. > > The Dalai Lama suggests you read it to see if it works for you. Very > Interesting. > > Just 4 questions and the answers will surprise you. > > Be honest and do not cheat by looking up the answers. The mind is > like a parachute, it works best when it is opened. This is fun to > do, but you have to follow the instructions very closely. Do not > cheat. > > MAKE A WISH BEFORE BEGINNING THE TEST! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >A warning! Answer the questions as you go along. There are only 4 > questions and if you see them all before finishing, you will not > have honest results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Go down slowly, and complete each exercise as you scroll down. > > > >Don't look ahead. Get pencil and paper to write your answers as you > go along. > > > >You will need it at the end. This is an honest questionnaire which > will tell you a lot about your true self. Give an answer for each > item. The first thing that comes to mind is usually your best > answer. Remember - no one sees this but you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(1) Put the following 5 animals in the order of your preference: > > > > > > > > > > > >Cow, Tiger, Sheep, Horse, Pig > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(2) Write one word that describes each one of the following: Dog, > Cat, Rat, Coffee, Sea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(3) Think of someone, who also knows you and is important to you, > which you can relate them to the following colors. Do not repeat > your answer twice. > Name just one person for each color: > > Yellow, Orange, Red, White, Green. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(4) Finally, write down your favorite number, and your favorite day > of the week. > > > >FINISHED? Please be sure that your answers are what you REALLY WANT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Look at the interpretations below: But first before continuing, > > REPEAT your wish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ANSWERS: > > > > > >(1) This will define your priorities in your life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Cow Signifies CAREER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Tiger Signifies PRIDE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sheep Signifies LOVE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Horse Signifies FAMILY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Pig Signifies MONEY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(2) Your description of dog implies your own personality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your description of cat implies the personality of your partner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your description of rat implies the personality of your enemies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your description of coffee is how you interpret sex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your description of the sea implies your own life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(3) Yellow: Someone you will never forget > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Orange: Someone you consider your true friend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Red: Someone that you really love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >White: Your twin soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Green: Someone that you will remember for the rest of your life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >4) You have to send this message to as many persons as your > favorite number and your wish will come true on the day that you > recorded. > > > > > > > >This is what the Dalai Lama has said about the Millennium - just > take a few seconds to look it up, read it and think. > > > > > > > > > >Do not put away this message, the mantra will come out from your > hands in the next 96 hours. You will have a very pleasant surprise. > > > > > > > > > > > >This is true, even if you are not superstitious. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Please do this. It is fascinating. SEND THIS E- MAIL MANTR
[FairfieldLife] ~ TIBETAN PERSONALITY TEST ~
Note: this was forwarded to me by a friend- ``` Take your time with this test and you may be amazed. The Dalai Lama suggests you read it to see if it works for you. Very Interesting. Just 4 questions and the answers will surprise you. Be honest and do not cheat by looking up the answers. The mind is like a parachute, it works best when it is opened. This is fun to do, but you have to follow the instructions very closely. Do not cheat. MAKE A WISH BEFORE BEGINNING THE TEST! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >A warning! Answer the questions as you go along. There are only 4 questions and if you see them all before finishing, you will not have honest results. > > > > > > > > > >Go down slowly, and complete each exercise as you scroll down. > >Don't look ahead. Get pencil and paper to write your answers as you go along. > >You will need it at the end. This is an honest questionnaire which will tell you a lot about your true self. Give an answer for each item. The first thing that comes to mind is usually your best answer. Remember - no one sees this but you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(1) Put the following 5 animals in the order of your preference: > > > > > >Cow, Tiger, Sheep, Horse, Pig > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(2) Write one word that describes each one of the following: Dog, Cat, Rat, Coffee, Sea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(3) Think of someone, who also knows you and is important to you, which you can relate them to the following colors. Do not repeat your answer twice. Name just one person for each color: Yellow, Orange, Red, White, Green. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(4) Finally, write down your favorite number, and your favorite day of the week. > >FINISHED? Please be sure that your answers are what you REALLY WANT. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Look at the interpretations below: But first before continuing, > REPEAT your wish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ANSWERS: > > >(1) This will define your priorities in your life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Cow Signifies CAREER > > > > > > > >Tiger Signifies PRIDE > > > > > > > >Sheep Signifies LOVE > > > > > > > >Horse Signifies FAMILY > > > > > > > >Pig Signifies MONEY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(2) Your description of dog implies your own personality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your description of cat implies the personality of your partner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your description of rat implies the personality of your enemies. > > > > > > > > > > >Your description of coffee is how you interpret sex. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your description of the sea implies your own life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(3) Yellow: Someone you will never forget > > > > > > > > > >Orange: Someone you consider your true friend > > > > > > > > > >Red: Someone that you really love > > > > > > > > > >White: Your twin soul > > > > > > > > > >Green: Someone that you will remember for the rest of your life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >4) You have to send this message to as many persons as your favorite number and your wish will come true on the day that you recorded. > > > >This is what the Dalai Lama has said about the Millennium - just take a few seconds to look it up, read it and think. > > > > >Do not put away this message, the mantra will come out from your hands in the next 96 hours. You will have a very pleasant surprise. > > > > > >This is true, even if you are not superstitious. > > > > > > > > > >Please do this. It is fascinating. SEND THIS E- MAIL MANTRA TO AT LEAST FIVE PERSONS AND YOUR LIFE WILL IMPROVE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >0-4 persons: Your life will improve slightly > > > > > > > >5-9 persons: Your life will improve to your liking > > > > > > > >9-14 persons: You will have at least 5 surprises in the next three weeks > > > > > > > > > >15 or more persons: Your life will improve drastically and all that you wish will come true >__ > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > on 3/23/06 2:16 PM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: > > > > > > Also, the TMO is working hard to make educators aware of the potential > > > of TM as well as of the financing available to take advantage of it: > > > > They shouldn't bother, because as soon as the educators get wind of rajas, > > Hail Mugabe, and rebuilding all the world's cities, they'll run scared. > > OTOH, they may go to Mike Scozzari, Farrokh, and other independent teachers > > who'll teach TM pure and simple, at a reasonable price. > > > > I work in a public school in a very wealthy district and here is the deal, at least at this point > in time. No USA public school like mine will promote any technique like TM within the > school, even with new and better research. Not all public schoolsare like yours: http://www.arizonastressfreeschools.org/panelists.html Carmen N'Namdi Ms. N'Namdi is Co-founder and Principal of the Nataki Talibah Schoolhouse of Detroit (K8); Chair of the Board of the National Charter School Institute; and Member of the Board of the Michigan Association of Public School Academies. The Nataki School is an award- winning middle school where hundreds of teachers and students over the past nine years have learned the Transcendental Meditation technique as part of Nataki's Wellness Program. They might be impressed with the research, > but they will think it is up to parents and their students to do this kind of thing on their > own (like get braces, buy glasses, see the doctor, get tutoring). Another reason -, once > they promote TM in a school, then other parents will say why not present a lecture on Zen, > or mindfulness, or whatever. And with everyone careful not to be liable for anything at all, > they would even wonder about negative results. Not to mention the subset of parents who > will scream that this is Hinduism ...Finally, with all these sharp parents checking > everything in the world out on the Internet, they would have the TMO's number in a flash - > all the raja and crown and jyotish stuff would end it pronto. What an uproar!!! Do the recertified teachers or their students have to wear funny hats? > I love TM and believe it would help most students, but if you want to learn TM, learn it. > You want help paying for it, go to David Lynch. But don't mix TM and public education. It > is a waste of time here in the US, from a common sense perspective, but then much of this > TMO stuff has nothing to do with that anyway. > > PS The David Lynch Foundation website is really well done. HIs heart is in this, I think. A > very generous offer. > Check the NBC Today Show spot on the Nataki Talibah school found at: http://www.au-tm-study.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Perhaps you are mixing apples and oranges. How many "elites" -- for > simplicity lets say those making over $300,000 /year, go to the local, > ubiquitous type of kinda funky yoga studio at the local small mall? > > Not many. They go to an expensive health club or spa to learn the same > thing. Many other examples possible where those making good incomes > are willing to pay a large premium for conveninece, competence, and > "class" (nice surroundings, people like them). Why do they pay $400 a > night to stay in a nice hotel when the local Motel 6 also has a bed > and shower? Why do they pay 35,000 and $300 a month to belong to a > private golf club when they could use the local public one for free? > > And while I am not saying it will happen, its not out of the realm of > possibilities that a wave of new high grade and respected research > will be published on TM. This would (further) differentiates TM from > other techniques -- (even if research would show the same for other > programs -- if it does not exist, TM will be strongly differentiated.) > You mean like the 15 or so studies found in this pubmed search that have been published on TM in the last 18 mnonths? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?DB=pubmed keyword [including quotes] "transcendental meditation" Items 1 - 20 of 240Next 1: Yamamoto S, Kitamura Y, Yamada N, Nakashima Y, Kuroda S. Related Articles, Links Medial profrontal cortex and anterior cingulate cortex in the generation of alpha activity induced by transcendental meditation: a magnetoencephalographic study. Acta Med Okayama. 2006 Feb;60(1):51-8. PMID: 16508689 [PubMed - in process] 2: Wijk EP, Koch H, Bosman S, Wijk RV. Related Articles, Links Anatomic characterization of human ultra-weak photon emission in practitioners of transcendental meditation(?) and control subjects. J Altern Complement Med. 2006 Jan-Feb;12(1):31-8. PMID: 16494566 [PubMed - in process] 3: Walton KG, Schneider RH, Nidich SI, Salerno JW, Nordstrom CK, Bairey Merz CN. Related Articles, Links Psychosocial stress and cardiovascular disease Part 2: effectiveness of the Transcendental Meditation program in treatment and prevention. Behav Med. 2002 Fall;28(3):106-23. Review. PMID: 16463759 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 4: Arthur HM, Patterson C, Stone JA. Related Articles, Links The role of complementary and alternative therapies in cardiac rehabilitation: a systematic evaluation. Eur J Cardiovasc Prev Rehabil. 2006 Feb;13(1):3-9. PMID: 16449858 [PubMed - in process] 5: Krisanaprakornkit T, Krisanaprakornkit W, Piyavhatkul N, Laopaiboon M. Related Articles, Links Meditation therapy for anxiety disorders. Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2006 Jan 25;(1):CD004998. Review. PMID: 16437509 [PubMed - in process] 6: Rasmussen LB. Related Articles, Links [Transcendental meditation and smoking cessation] Tidsskr Nor Laegeforen. 2005 Sep 22;125(18):2526-7. Norwegian. No abstract available. PMID: 16186885 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 7: Walton KG, Schneider RH, Salerno JW, Nidich SI. Related Articles, Links Psychosocial stress and cardiovascular disease. Part 3: Clinical and policy implications of research on the transcendental meditation program. Behav Med. 2005 Winter;30(4):173-83. PMID: 15981895 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 8: Chalmers R. Related Articles, Links Transcendental meditation does not predispose to epilepsy. Med Hypotheses. 2005;65(3):624-5. No abstract available. PMID: 15913905 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 9: Barnes VA. Related Articles, Links EEG, hypometabolism, and ketosis during transcendental meditation indicate it does not increase epilepsy risk. Med Hypotheses. 2005;65(1):202-3. No abstract available. PMID: 15893151 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 10: Orme-Johnson DW. Related Articles, Links Transcendental meditation does not predispose to epilepsy. Med Hypotheses. 2005;65(1):201-2. No abstract available. PMID: 15893150 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 11: Collins MP, Dunn LF. Related Articles, Links The effects of meditation and visual imagery on an immune system disorder: dermatomyositis. J Altern Complement Med. 2005 Apr;11(2):275-84. PMID: 15865493 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 12: Schneider RH, Alexander CN, Staggers F, Rainforth M, Salerno JW, Hartz A, Arndt S, Barnes VA, Nidich SI. Related Articles, Links Long-term effects of stress reduction on mortality in persons > or = 55 years of age with systemic hypertension. Am J Cardiol. 2005 May 1;95(9):1060-4. PMID: 15842971 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 13: Orme-Johnson DW, Barnes VA, Hankey AM, Chalmers RA. Related Articles, Links Reply to critics of research on transcendental meditation in the prevention and control of hypertension. J Hypertens. 2005 May;23(5):1107-8; author reply 1108-9. No abstract available. PMID: 15834299
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't think the elite of the world give a flying u-know-what about > TM and paying $2500 to learn it. It is *passe* at this point. There > are far too many more modern methods in the spiritual supermarket > these days. > > At the local natural foods co-op where I shop, there is the requisite > magazine rack near the registers loaded with the modern spiritual > versions of the popular magazines-a vast variety of things to choose > from-all kinds of meditation practices, all kinds of sexual preference > magazines, gardening, cooking, etc. > > Most cities and towns including little tiny ones I've driven through > have yoga offered and the *commonest* of people, the people who we > never would have expected to find taking yoga, are now joining in the > classes. > > Kaiser Permanente offeres Mindfulness Training classes, sometimes they > are free. There are endless books, tapes, cds and now dvds available > to learn to meditate and do yoga and you can now do so on your 52 inch > plasma tv screen in full technicolor with a surround sound system. > > Who wants to learn TM from a gaunt looking couple anymore? > > Can you name one person or center where there are students taking out > $2500 loans so they can learn TM? Dunno. You could always ask the recertified teachers if anyone is taking advantage of David Lynch's offer or the Citibank offer or both. Joseph and Denise [Deniston] Gerace are the recerted teachers here in Tucson. 1-520-881-0110. Call now. Operators standing by. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 3/23/06 2:16 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Also, the TMO is working hard to make educators aware of the potential > > of TM as well as of the financing available to take advantage of it: > > They shouldn't bother, because as soon as the educators get wind of rajas, > Hail Mugabe, and rebuilding all the world's cities, they'll run scared. > OTOH, they may go to Mike Scozzari, Farrokh, and other independent teachers > who'll teach TM pure and simple, at a reasonable price. > Perhaps you're right, or perhaps they'll read the bitterness of the independent teachers, realize that the Rajah thing is just a loyalty test, chuckle, and go with what seems to be the organization more likely to survive in the long run. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
Don't know about loans, but I've heard that the Berkeley center has been teaching 10-12 a month at the new course fee, at least for the past couple of months, which seems surprising. I don't know how consistent it has been, where the people are coming from, or if this is common in other cites. These are probably not the people who would take out loans. > > Can you name one person or center where there are students taking out > $2500 loans so they can learn TM? > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
Your point is well articulated but still, in my opinion, after 40 some odd years and umpteen schemes and plans, I find a revival of interest in TM to be unfathomable. A dear friend of mine, out here on the Left Coast, teaches small groups of the utterly non-elite, some months 10 or more start. He still charges $495 and he has a regular and devoted clientele and they keep refering him to others. These are primarily 12-Step program people. Many of these people probally even learn in south facing houses! I mean let's be real here and take a look at the trend since around 1975, it's done nothing but go downhill as far as people learning TM. After the second Merv wave it all went bye-bye. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Perhaps you are mixing apples and oranges. How many "elites" -- for > simplicity lets say those making over $300,000 /year, go to the local, > ubiquitous type of kinda funky yoga studio at the local small mall? > > Not many. They go to an expensive health club or spa to learn the same > thing. Many other examples possible where those making good incomes > are willing to pay a large premium for conveninece, competence, and > "class" (nice surroundings, people like them). Why do they pay $400 a > night to stay in a nice hotel when the local Motel 6 also has a bed > and shower? Why do they pay 35,000 and $300 a month to belong to a > private golf club when they could use the local public one for free? > > And while I am not saying it will happen, its not out of the realm of > possibilities that a wave of new high grade and respected research > will be published on TM. This would (further) differentiates TM from > other techniques -- (even if research would show the same for other > programs -- if it does not exist, TM will be strongly differentiated.) > > And its not unreasonable the the "new" TM (taught in a SV bulidng, by > teachers doing program 6 hours a day, living in SV house, etc) may > have positive factors associated with it. > > It is not a differentiated set of qualities that you would pay a > premium for. The top 2-5% of the population may very well be willing > for the "right" product. Again, I am not saying the new TM will fill > the bill, but its not an unreasonable conjecture that it might. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" wrote: > > > > I don't think the elite of the world give a flying u-know-what about > > TM and paying $2500 to learn it. It is *passe* at this point. There > > are far too many more modern methods in the spiritual supermarket > > these days. > > > > At the local natural foods co-op where I shop, there is the requisite > > magazine rack near the registers loaded with the modern spiritual > > versions of the popular magazines-a vast variety of things to choose > > from-all kinds of meditation practices, all kinds of sexual preference > > magazines, gardening, cooking, etc. > > > > Most cities and towns including little tiny ones I've driven through > > have yoga offered and the *commonest* of people, the people who we > > never would have expected to find taking yoga, are now joining in the > > classes. > > > > Kaiser Permanente offeres Mindfulness Training classes, sometimes they > > are free. There are endless books, tapes, cds and now dvds available > > to learn to meditate and do yoga and you can now do so on your 52 inch > > plasma tv screen in full technicolor with a surround sound system. > > > > Who wants to learn TM from a gaunt looking couple anymore? > > > > Can you name one person or center where there are students taking out > > $2500 loans so they can learn TM? > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > Say what you will about his odd tastes, the man > > > > > puts *his* money where his beliefs are. He could > > > > > be taking his money and investing it in real > > > > > estate the way the TM movement does, but he's not. > > > > > He's actually doing something to help people. The > > > > > day the TM movement does the same, it'll regain > > > > > a tiny bit of its vanished credibility. > > > > > > > > >I understand what he's doing and admire the fact he's figured > out a > > > > way to do it, but it still boggles the mind that he has to do it > that > > > way. > > > > > > Elite people like to go to elite places. They don't mind too much > > > if "worthy" individuals are given a helping hand along the way, but > > > they don't like rubbing shoulders with the non-elite. > > > > > > > > > MMY's stated goal these days is to reach the elite with > meditation. The > > > non-elite (most of us reading/writing this) are welcome as well if > they > > > can raise the money. I don't know the financing of Lynch's > foundation, > > > but he's t
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 3/23/06 2:16 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Also, the TMO is working hard to make educators aware of the potential > > of TM as well as of the financing available to take advantage of it: > > They shouldn't bother, because as soon as the educators get wind of rajas, > Hail Mugabe, and rebuilding all the world's cities, they'll run scared. > OTOH, they may go to Mike Scozzari, Farrokh, and other independent teachers > who'll teach TM pure and simple, at a reasonable price. > I work in a public school in a very wealthy district and here is the deal, at least at this point in time. No USA public school like mine will promote any technique like TM within the school, even with new and better research. They might be impressed with the research, but they will think it is up to parents and their students to do this kind of thing on their own (like get braces, buy glasses, see the doctor, get tutoring). Another reason -, once they promote TM in a school, then other parents will say why not present a lecture on Zen, or mindfulness, or whatever. And with everyone careful not to be liable for anything at all, they would even wonder about negative results. Not to mention the subset of parents who will scream that this is Hinduism ...Finally, with all these sharp parents checking everything in the world out on the Internet, they would have the TMO's number in a flash - all the raja and crown and jyotish stuff would end it pronto. What an uproar!!! I love TM and believe it would help most students, but if you want to learn TM, learn it. You want help paying for it, go to David Lynch. But don't mix TM and public education. It is a waste of time here in the US, from a common sense perspective, but then much of this TMO stuff has nothing to do with that anyway. PS The David Lynch Foundation website is really well done. HIs heart is in this, I think. A very generous offer. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
Perhaps you are mixing apples and oranges. How many "elites" -- for simplicity lets say those making over $300,000 /year, go to the local, ubiquitous type of kinda funky yoga studio at the local small mall? Not many. They go to an expensive health club or spa to learn the same thing. Many other examples possible where those making good incomes are willing to pay a large premium for conveninece, competence, and "class" (nice surroundings, people like them). Why do they pay $400 a night to stay in a nice hotel when the local Motel 6 also has a bed and shower? Why do they pay 35,000 and $300 a month to belong to a private golf club when they could use the local public one for free? And while I am not saying it will happen, its not out of the realm of possibilities that a wave of new high grade and respected research will be published on TM. This would (further) differentiates TM from other techniques -- (even if research would show the same for other programs -- if it does not exist, TM will be strongly differentiated.) And its not unreasonable the the "new" TM (taught in a SV bulidng, by teachers doing program 6 hours a day, living in SV house, etc) may have positive factors associated with it. It is not a differentiated set of qualities that you would pay a premium for. The top 2-5% of the population may very well be willing for the "right" product. Again, I am not saying the new TM will fill the bill, but its not an unreasonable conjecture that it might. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't think the elite of the world give a flying u-know-what about > TM and paying $2500 to learn it. It is *passe* at this point. There > are far too many more modern methods in the spiritual supermarket > these days. > > At the local natural foods co-op where I shop, there is the requisite > magazine rack near the registers loaded with the modern spiritual > versions of the popular magazines-a vast variety of things to choose > from-all kinds of meditation practices, all kinds of sexual preference > magazines, gardening, cooking, etc. > > Most cities and towns including little tiny ones I've driven through > have yoga offered and the *commonest* of people, the people who we > never would have expected to find taking yoga, are now joining in the > classes. > > Kaiser Permanente offeres Mindfulness Training classes, sometimes they > are free. There are endless books, tapes, cds and now dvds available > to learn to meditate and do yoga and you can now do so on your 52 inch > plasma tv screen in full technicolor with a surround sound system. > > Who wants to learn TM from a gaunt looking couple anymore? > > Can you name one person or center where there are students taking out > $2500 loans so they can learn TM? > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > Say what you will about his odd tastes, the man > > > > puts *his* money where his beliefs are. He could > > > > be taking his money and investing it in real > > > > estate the way the TM movement does, but he's not. > > > > He's actually doing something to help people. The > > > > day the TM movement does the same, it'll regain > > > > a tiny bit of its vanished credibility. > > > > > > >I understand what he's doing and admire the fact he's figured out a > > > way to do it, but it still boggles the mind that he has to do it that > > way. > > > > Elite people like to go to elite places. They don't mind too much > > if "worthy" individuals are given a helping hand along the way, but > > they don't like rubbing shoulders with the non-elite. > > > > > > MMY's stated goal these days is to reach the elite with meditation. The > > non-elite (most of us reading/writing this) are welcome as well if they > > can raise the money. I don't know the financing of Lynch's foundation, > > but he's thrown open the doors for ANY student to apply for financial > > aid: > > > > > > http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/register.html > > > > > > Also, the TMO is working hard to make educators aware of the potential > > of TM as well as of the financing available to take advantage of it: > > > > http://www.arizonastressfreeschools.org/ > > > > The elite of the world are impressed with this kind of thing. Perhaps > > the more spiritual types aren't, but that IS MMY's point, now isn't it? > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] global family chat
Just watched my first Global Family Chat - impressive presentation from Japan eg guy who came to an invention in a dream, some greener and more efficient catalytic converter now finding its way into Japanese cars - and the inventor's insights from Vedic Science, even before getting into TM. Just the sort of thing that should have come out of MIU or MERU decades ago, which would have met both a technological need and the financial needs of the Movement at a stroke... but that creativity & Nature support was curiously lacking. Same now with Vedic architecture. Easy enough to create new buildings with eastern entrances; harder to "rectify" those that aren't - given that it makes no economic sense starting from scratch and getting rid of existing cities everywhere, some of which embody beauty, history or convenience one would not want to destroy anyway. Same with Vedic Architecture doesn't address the problem of energy consumption of buildings. See for instance http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4832040.stm If only orienting a building to the east would automatically create magnetism or electricity somewhere... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
I don't think the elite of the world give a flying u-know-what about TM and paying $2500 to learn it. It is *passe* at this point. There are far too many more modern methods in the spiritual supermarket these days. At the local natural foods co-op where I shop, there is the requisite magazine rack near the registers loaded with the modern spiritual versions of the popular magazines-a vast variety of things to choose from-all kinds of meditation practices, all kinds of sexual preference magazines, gardening, cooking, etc. Most cities and towns including little tiny ones I've driven through have yoga offered and the *commonest* of people, the people who we never would have expected to find taking yoga, are now joining in the classes. Kaiser Permanente offeres Mindfulness Training classes, sometimes they are free. There are endless books, tapes, cds and now dvds available to learn to meditate and do yoga and you can now do so on your 52 inch plasma tv screen in full technicolor with a surround sound system. Who wants to learn TM from a gaunt looking couple anymore? Can you name one person or center where there are students taking out $2500 loans so they can learn TM? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > [...] > > > Say what you will about his odd tastes, the man > > > puts *his* money where his beliefs are. He could > > > be taking his money and investing it in real > > > estate the way the TM movement does, but he's not. > > > He's actually doing something to help people. The > > > day the TM movement does the same, it'll regain > > > a tiny bit of its vanished credibility. > > > > >I understand what he's doing and admire the fact he's figured out a > > way to do it, but it still boggles the mind that he has to do it that > way. > > Elite people like to go to elite places. They don't mind too much > if "worthy" individuals are given a helping hand along the way, but > they don't like rubbing shoulders with the non-elite. > > > MMY's stated goal these days is to reach the elite with meditation. The > non-elite (most of us reading/writing this) are welcome as well if they > can raise the money. I don't know the financing of Lynch's foundation, > but he's thrown open the doors for ANY student to apply for financial > aid: > > > http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/register.html > > > Also, the TMO is working hard to make educators aware of the potential > of TM as well as of the financing available to take advantage of it: > > http://www.arizonastressfreeschools.org/ > > The elite of the world are impressed with this kind of thing. Perhaps > the more spiritual types aren't, but that IS MMY's point, now isn't it? > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
on 3/23/06 2:16 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Also, the TMO is working hard to make educators aware of the potential > of TM as well as of the financing available to take advantage of it: They shouldn't bother, because as soon as the educators get wind of rajas, Hail Mugabe, and rebuilding all the world's cities, they'll run scared. OTOH, they may go to Mike Scozzari, Farrokh, and other independent teachers who'll teach TM pure and simple, at a reasonable price. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > [...] > > Say what you will about his odd tastes, the man > > puts *his* money where his beliefs are. He could > > be taking his money and investing it in real > > estate the way the TM movement does, but he's not. > > He's actually doing something to help people. The > > day the TM movement does the same, it'll regain > > a tiny bit of its vanished credibility. > > >I understand what he's doing and admire the fact he's figured out a > way to do it, but it still boggles the mind that he has to do it that way. Elite people like to go to elite places. They don't mind too much if "worthy" individuals are given a helping hand along the way, but they don't like rubbing shoulders with the non-elite. MMY's stated goal these days is to reach the elite with meditation. The non-elite (most of us reading/writing this) are welcome as well if they can raise the money. I don't know the financing of Lynch's foundation, but he's thrown open the doors for ANY student to apply for financial aid: http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/register.html Also, the TMO is working hard to make educators aware of the potential of TM as well as of the financing available to take advantage of it: http://www.arizonastressfreeschools.org/ The elite of the world are impressed with this kind of thing. Perhaps the more spiritual types aren't, but that IS MMY's point, now isn't it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Director to appear at Maharishi seminar - Des Moines Register
ent, Fairfield COST: $45 for students of any college or school, $75 for educators and government workers, $115 for the general public. Organic vegetarian meals served during the weekend are included in the cost. REGISTER: Visit lynchweekend.org for required advance registration. -- http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060323/NEWS08/6032 30363/1010 -- DAVID LYNCH FOUNDATION ADDENDUM: The goal of the David Lynch Foundation for Consciousness-Based Education and World Peace is to partner with peace-loving foundations and philanthropists to establish and permanently endow universities, colleges and/or schools of world peace in major cities throughout the United States and around the world, and to provide scholarships for students in existing schools, colleges, and universities who wish to learn the Transcendental Meditation technique. Ken Chawkin Media Relations MUM-SU37 Fairfield, IA 52557 T: 641-470-1314 F: 641-470-1311 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: "My Enlightenment depends on that fly"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 23, 2006, at 10:39 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > I am saying that the POV that the passage in question is speaking of > > is valid for enlightenment, or non-dual View, but not a valid path > > to get there directly. > > > > Transformation must necessarily occur for us to experience naturally > > a non-dual View, but if the author is saying we do this by some > > conscious thinking or contemplation about that which we perceive, > > before achieving a non-dual View, then I don't agree. Perhaps it is > > possible, though it seems a very, very long road by itself. > > What he seems to be referring to is the practice of transforming > impure vision, samsaric appearances, into pure vision through the > practice of completion-stage tantra--in this particular instance he > seems to be speaking of transforming the world into the mandala of > Chenrizig/Avalokiteshvara since that's what the book is on: the > mandala of compassionate manifestation. All appearances become the > mandala which in the previous "generation stage" were just visualized > internally. > > This completion stage type practice would actually be hundreds of > times faster than just meditation alone and is believed has the > capacity to lead one to perfect enlightenment: Buddhahood, in one or > a couple of lives. > It must be more specialized than simple comtemplation, then. Thanks for sharing the key points of this practice. Externalizing an internal mandala into its worldly manifestation makes perfect sense to me, however we achieve it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "My Enlightenment depends on that fly"
On Mar 23, 2006, at 10:39 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: > I am saying that the POV that the passage in question is speaking of > is valid for enlightenment, or non-dual View, but not a valid path > to get there directly. > > Transformation must necessarily occur for us to experience naturally > a non-dual View, but if the author is saying we do this by some > conscious thinking or contemplation about that which we perceive, > before achieving a non-dual View, then I don't agree. Perhaps it is > possible, though it seems a very, very long road by itself. What he seems to be referring to is the practice of transforming impure vision, samsaric appearances, into pure vision through the practice of completion-stage tantra--in this particular instance he seems to be speaking of transforming the world into the mandala of Chenrizig/Avalokiteshvara since that's what the book is on: the mandala of compassionate manifestation. All appearances become the mandala which in the previous "generation stage" were just visualized internally. This completion stage type practice would actually be hundreds of times faster than just meditation alone and is believed has the capacity to lead one to perfect enlightenment: Buddhahood, in one or a couple of lives. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm relutant to bang on the same old drum, but it's > difficult > > > > > > to attract the young at $2500 + $3000 plus dome fee per > seat. > > > > > > All new flying halls will do is add more to the real > estate > > > > > > portfolio. Makes me wonder what the real intent is, > because > > > > > > the disconnect to too big to understand. > > > > > > > > > > So, you don't believe that David Lynch is donating money to > > > > > get kids of all ages to learn to meditate? > > > > > > > > It doesn't *matter* what David Lynch is donating money > > > > *for*. All that matters is what the TMO will do with > > > > the money. The TMO doesn't *care* about any of these > > > > new meditators; it cares only about real estate. > > > > > > It doesn't matter what the TMO does with the money: David > > > Lynch's foundation is paying for *initiations*. > > > > On the subtle level of feeling/intuition, doesn't it strike > > you as odd that someone would need a foundation and or > > loans to pay for initiation? > > You're talking "feeling" and "intuition" to a TB? > Bite your tongue. They operate on a higher level: > blind faith. :-) > > But it's rather a good point. If it were *not* for > David Lynch (the man lots of "feeling, intuitive" > people here like to look down upon because of the > content of his movies), would there be *any* people > learning TM in the United States? Mike Scozzari was teaching a few and look what happened to him. Everthing written is PR about real estate, meditation is hardly mentioned. And no, I haven't seen any pundits lately either. Bramahastans, corridors, palaces and a foundation to be initiated - it's more like a ReMax commercial than anything else. > > No one will ever release actual statistics of how > many people are really learning TM these days, > because to do so would reveal the emptiness of the > TM PR blurbs, but I'd be willing to bet that all > but a handful are paid for by David Lynch. And *he* > is doing it because he realizes that the TM move- > ment can no longer be trusted to do it themselves. > > Say what you will about his odd tastes, the man > puts *his* money where his beliefs are. He could > be taking his money and investing it in real > estate the way the TM movement does, but he's not. > He's actually doing something to help people. The > day the TM movement does the same, it'll regain > a tiny bit of its vanished credibility. > I understand what he's doing and admire the fact he's figured out a way to do it, but it still boggles the mind that he has to do it that way. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: "My Enlightenment depends on that fly"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 23, 2006, at 9:36 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 22, 2006, at 10:22 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, quantum packet > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > > > > > > > > Why not "my enlightenment includes that fly, and I want it to stop > > > > buzzing around my head"? There is no contradiction in, on the one > > > > hand, accepting the reality of the fly, and on the other, being > > > > bothered by it. > > > > > > > > Mood making, or attempting to 'train the mind' to 'see' > > > > everything as having value to us, only seeds confusion in our > > > > minds and hearts, and does nothing to further enlightenment. > > > > > > > > Be authentic. > > > > > > It has nothing to do with training the mind > > > > Well, it did in what Jim was commenting on: > > > > "For example, when we look at a fly buzzing around, we train > > ourselves to think, 'My enlightenment depends on that fly.' This > > isn't fanciful thinking because, in fact, our enlightenment does > > depend on that fly. If that fly isn't included in our bodhicitta, > > then we don't have bodhicitta, and we won't receive the wonderful > > results of generating bodhicitta--the tremendous purification and > > creation of positive potential." > > Jim was arguing from the POV of Sutra, the article is talking from > the POV of the Path of Transformation (i.e. tantra)--with potential > interpretation from the POV of the non-dual View (thus my own > comments), these last two experiential POV's (darshana) are what the > writer is pointing towards, not a sutric "moodmaking" POV. Terms > such as "moodmaking" display the inability to transform impure > phenomenon (e.g. annoyance with a fly) and are therefore not a part > of the View of the vehicle being conveyed in the article posted. > I am saying that the POV that the passage in question is speaking of is valid for enlightenment, or non-dual View, but not a valid path to get there directly. Transformation must necessarily occur for us to experience naturally a non-dual View, but if the author is saying we do this by some conscious thinking or contemplation about that which we perceive, before achieving a non-dual View, then I don't agree. Perhaps it is possible, though it seems a very, very long road by itself. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "My Enlightenment depends on that fly"
On Mar 23, 2006, at 9:36 AM, authfriend wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Mar 22, 2006, at 10:22 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, quantum packet > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > > > > > > Why not "my enlightenment includes that fly, and I want it to stop > > > buzzing around my head"? There is no contradiction in, on the one > > > hand, accepting the reality of the fly, and on the other, being > > > bothered by it. > > > > > > Mood making, or attempting to 'train the mind' to 'see' > > > everything as having value to us, only seeds confusion in our > > > minds and hearts, and does nothing to further enlightenment. > > > > > > Be authentic. > > > > It has nothing to do with training the mind > > Well, it did in what Jim was commenting on: > > "For example, when we look at a fly buzzing around, we train > ourselves to think, 'My enlightenment depends on that fly.' This > isn't fanciful thinking because, in fact, our enlightenment does > depend on that fly. If that fly isn't included in our bodhicitta, > then we don't have bodhicitta, and we won't receive the wonderful > results of generating bodhicitta--the tremendous purification and > creation of positive potential." Jim was arguing from the POV of Sutra, the article is talking from the POV of the Path of Transformation (i.e. tantra)--with potential interpretation from the POV of the non-dual View (thus my own comments), these last two experiential POV's (darshana) are what the writer is pointing towards, not a sutric "moodmaking" POV. Terms such as "moodmaking" display the inability to transform impure phenomenon (e.g. annoyance with a fly) and are therefore not a part of the View of the vehicle being conveyed in the article posted. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I'm relutant to bang on the same old drum, but it's > difficult > > > > > to attract the young at $2500 + $3000 plus dome fee per > seat. > > > > > All new flying halls will do is add more to the real estate > > > > > portfolio. Makes me wonder what the real intent is, because > > > > > the disconnect to too big to understand. > > > > > > > > So, you don't believe that David Lynch is donating money to > > > > get kids of all ages to learn to meditate? > > > > > > It doesn't *matter* what David Lynch is donating money > > > *for*. All that matters is what the TMO will do with > > > the money. The TMO doesn't *care* about any of these > > > new meditators; it cares only about real estate. > > > > It doesn't matter what the TMO does with the money: David Lynch's > > foundation is paying for *initiations*. > > And you haven't figured out *why*? You hadn't even figured out *that* Lynch was paying for initiations. > It's because he, as committed as he may be to the > value of TM, knows that the TM organization has no > such commitment. He knows that if he just gave them > money and said, "Go do your thing," their "thing" > would be to build luxury housing for millionaire > Rajas or buy more real estate in India. Not a penny > of it would be spent helping people to learn TM. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > wrote: > > > > > So, you don't believe that David Lynch is donating money to > > > > > get kids of all ages to learn to meditate? > > > > > > > > It doesn't *matter* what David Lynch is donating money > > > > *for*. All that matters is what the TMO will do with > > > > the money. The TMO doesn't *care* about any of these > > > > new meditators; it cares only about real estate. > > > > > > It doesn't matter what the TMO does with the money: David > > > Lynch's foundation is paying for *initiations*. > > > > On the subtle level of feeling/intuition, doesn't it strike > > you as odd that someone would need a foundation and or > > loans to pay for initiation? > > You're talking "feeling" and "intuition" to a TB? > Bite your tongue. They operate on a higher level: > blind faith. :-) > > But it's rather a good point. If it were *not* for > David Lynch (the man lots of "feeling, intuitive" > people here like to look down upon because of the > content of his movies), would there be *any* people > learning TM in the United States? > > No one will ever release actual statistics of how > many people are really learning TM these days, > because to do so would reveal the emptiness of the > TM PR blurbs, but I'd be willing to bet that all > but a handful are paid for by David Lynch. And *he* > is doing it because he realizes that the TM move- > ment can no longer be trusted to do it themselves. Except that almost from the very beginning, it was MMY's goal to have TM instruction funded by some source with a lot of money, rather than individuals having to pay. He had assumed that churches, governments, and other institutions would recognize the value of TM to society and would take over the funding. Obviously that hasn't happened, but for a wealthy individual to provide the funding is the next-best thing. In any case, the "PR blurbs" you cite are out of date. MMY's been explicit that he's given up, at least for the time being, on teaching individuals to meditate and is focusing instead on establishing groups of pundits. > Say what you will about his odd tastes, the man > puts *his* money where his beliefs are. He could > be taking his money and investing it in real > estate the way the TM movement does, but he's not. Most likely Lynch has invested what he's earned from making movies as well and made quite a bit of money from those investments, which is why he has enough now to fund initiations. And maybe MMY has the same idea vis-a-vis creating groups of pundits: invest TMO dollars in real estate and fund the pundit groups from the proceeds. Eventually, perhaps his thinking goes, the groups of pundits will succeed in raising the level of consciousness worldwide, at which point the value of TM to individuals will be recognized by the churches and governments and so on, and they'll start to pay for instruction in TM for individuals. The long way around may be the shortest way home, as they say. > He's actually doing something to help people. The > day the TM movement does the same, it'll regain > a tiny bit of its vanished credibility. Or perhaps it will regain its credibility once folks realize *how* it's doing something to help people. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: "My Enlightenment depends on that fly"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > On Mar 22, 2006, at 10:22 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, quantum packet > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > > > > > > Why not "my enlightenment includes that fly, and I want it to stop > > > buzzing around my head"? There is no contradiction in, on the one > > > hand, accepting the reality of the fly, and on the other, being > > > bothered by it. > > > > > > Mood making, or attempting to 'train the mind' to 'see' > > > everything as having value to us, only seeds confusion in our > > > minds and hearts, and does nothing to further enlightenment. > > > > > > Be authentic. > > > > It has nothing to do with training the mind > > Well, it did in what Jim was commenting on: > > "For example, when we look at a fly buzzing around, we train > ourselves to think, 'My enlightenment depends on that fly.' This > isn't fanciful thinking because, in fact, our enlightenment does > depend on that fly. If that fly isn't included in our bodhicitta, > then we don't have bodhicitta, and we won't receive the wonderful > results of generating bodhicitta--the tremendous purification and > creation of positive potential." > Yep- I was commenting on the specific quote. > --in the absolute sense bodhichitta is the self-manifestation of the > > play of all of samsara and nirvana as our own self-perfected > > mandala manifesting as "environment." Since the entire mandala > > arises *together* it is all interdependently arising. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: "My Enlightenment depends on that fly"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mar 22, 2006, at 10:22 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, quantum packet > > wrote: > > > > > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > > > > Why not "my enlightenment includes that fly, and I want it to stop > > buzzing around my head"? There is no contradiction in, on the one > > hand, accepting the reality of the fly, and on the other, being > > bothered by it. > > > > Mood making, or attempting to 'train the mind' to 'see' > > everything as having value to us, only seeds confusion in our > > minds and hearts, and does nothing to further enlightenment. > > > > Be authentic. > > It has nothing to do with training the mind Well, it did in what Jim was commenting on: "For example, when we look at a fly buzzing around, we train ourselves to think, 'My enlightenment depends on that fly.' This isn't fanciful thinking because, in fact, our enlightenment does depend on that fly. If that fly isn't included in our bodhicitta, then we don't have bodhicitta, and we won't receive the wonderful results of generating bodhicitta--the tremendous purification and creation of positive potential." --in the absolute sense bodhichitta is the self-manifestation of the > play of all of samsara and nirvana as our own self-perfected > mandala manifesting as "environment." Since the entire mandala > arises *together* it is all interdependently arising. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: "My Enlightenment depends on that fly"
On Mar 22, 2006, at 10:22 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, quantum packet > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > > > > Why not "my enlightenment includes that fly, and I want it to stop > buzzing around my head"? There is no contradiction in, on the one > hand, accepting the reality of the fly, and on the other, being > bothered by it. > > Mood making, or attempting to 'train the mind' to 'see' everything as > having value to us, only seeds confusion in our minds and hearts, and > does nothing to further enlightenment. > > Be authentic. It has nothing to do with training the mind--in the absolute sense bodhichitta is the self-manifestation of the play of all of samsara and nirvana as our own self-perfected mandala manifesting as "environment." Since the entire mandala arises *together* it is all interdependently arising. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Swami Gambhiranandas...
...translation of Shri Shankaracharya's commentaryt on BG V 4 - 5: 5.4 Balah, the fools; na panditah, not the learned ones; pravadanti, speak of; sankhya-yogau, Sankhya [Sankhya, i.e. monasticism, is that which is suited for sankhya, Self-inquiry.] (the Path of Knowledge) and (Karma-)yoga; as prthak, different, having opposite and different results. The learned ones, the wise, however, admit one, unconflicting result. How? Any one who samyak, properly; asthitah, resorts to, i.e. follows; ekam api, even one, between the Path of Knowledge and (Karma-) yoga; vindate, gets; phalam, the result; ubhayoh, of both. For, the result of both is that Liberation itself. Therefore there is no conflict with regard to the result. Objection: After beginning the topic with the words, 'renunciation' and '(Karma-) yoga', how is it that the Lord speaks of the identity of the results of the path of Knowledge and (Karma-) yoga, which is beside the point? Reply: This defect does not arise. Although the question was put by Arjuna merely with regard to renunciation and Karma-yoga, yet the Lord, without actually avoiding them, and by adding something special which was intended by Him, gave the answer by expressing them through other words, 'Sankhya' and '(Karma-) yoga'. Those very 'renunciation and 'Karma-yoga', when they are (respectively) associated with Knowledge and such of Its means as equanimity etc., are meant by the words 'Sankhya' and 'yoga'. This is the Lord's veiw. Therefore there is no discussion out of the context. How can the result of both be attained by the proper performance of only one? The answer is: 5.5 Sthanam, the State called Liberation; yat prapyate, that is reached; sankhyaih, by the Sankhyas, by the monks steadfast in Knowledge; tat prapyate, that is reached; yogaih, by the yogis; api, as well. The yogis are those who, as a means to the attainment of Knowledge, undertake actions by dedicating them to God without seeking any result for themselves. The purport is that, by them also that Stated is reached through the process of acquiring monasticism which is a result of the knowledge of the supreme Reality. Therefore, sah, he; pasyati, sees truly; yah, who; pasyati, sees; Sankhya and yoga as ekam, one, because of the identity of their results. This is the meaning. Objection: If this be so, then monasticism itself excels yoga! Why, then, is it said, 'Among the two, Karma-yoga, however, excels renunciation of actions'? Reply: Hear the reason for this: Having is veiw the mere giving up of actions and Karma-yoga, your question was as to which one was better of the two. My answer was accordingly given that Karma-yoga excels renunciation of actions (resorted to) without Knowledge is Sankhya. This is what was meant by me. And that is indeed yoga in the highest sense. However, that which is the Vedic Karma-yoga is figuratively spoken of as yoga and renunciation since it leads to it (supreme Knowledge). How does it lead to that? The answer is: http://www.gitasupersite.iitk.ac.in/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm relutant to bang on the same old drum, but it's > > > difficult > > > > > > > to attract the young at $2500 + $3000 plus dome fee per > > > seat. > > > > > > > All new flying halls will do is add more to the real > estate > > > > > > > portfolio. Makes me wonder what the real intent is, > because > > > > > > > the disconnect to too big to understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, you don't believe that David Lynch is donating money > to > > > > > > get kids of all ages to learn to meditate? > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't *matter* what David Lynch is donating money > > > > > *for*. All that matters is what the TMO will do with > > > > > the money. The TMO doesn't *care* about any of these > > > > > new meditators; it cares only about real estate. > > > > > > > > It doesn't matter what the TMO does with the money: David > Lynch's > > > > foundation is paying for *initiations*. > > > > > > And you haven't figured out *why*? > > > > > > It's because he, as committed as he may be to the > > > value of TM, knows that the TM organization has no > > > such commitment. He knows that if he just gave them > > > money and said, "Go do your thing," their "thing" > > > would be to build luxury housing for millionaire > > > Rajas or buy more real estate in India. Not a penny > > > of it would be spent helping people to learn TM. > > > > You may be correct. So? > > So nothing, I guess. I mean, if it doesn't bother > you that the director of Eraserhead has more faith > in the value of TM than Maharishi does, it's no sweat > off my balls. > Why you believe that MMY doesn't have faith in the value of TM is beyond me, but sweat away... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm relutant to bang on the same old drum, but it's > > difficult > > > > > > to attract the young at $2500 + $3000 plus dome fee per > > seat. > > > > > > All new flying halls will do is add more to the real estate > > > > > > portfolio. Makes me wonder what the real intent is, because > > > > > > the disconnect to too big to understand. > > > > > > > > > > So, you don't believe that David Lynch is donating money to > > > > > get kids of all ages to learn to meditate? > > > > > > > > It doesn't *matter* what David Lynch is donating money > > > > *for*. All that matters is what the TMO will do with > > > > the money. The TMO doesn't *care* about any of these > > > > new meditators; it cares only about real estate. > > > > > > It doesn't matter what the TMO does with the money: David Lynch's > > > foundation is paying for *initiations*. > > > > And you haven't figured out *why*? > > > > It's because he, as committed as he may be to the > > value of TM, knows that the TM organization has no > > such commitment. He knows that if he just gave them > > money and said, "Go do your thing," their "thing" > > would be to build luxury housing for millionaire > > Rajas or buy more real estate in India. Not a penny > > of it would be spent helping people to learn TM. > > You may be correct. So? So nothing, I guess. I mean, if it doesn't bother you that the director of Eraserhead has more faith in the value of TM than Maharishi does, it's no sweat off my balls. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I'm relutant to bang on the same old drum, but it's difficult > > > > > to attract the young at $2500 + $3000 plus dome fee per seat. > > > > > All new flying halls will do is add more to the real estate > > > > > portfolio. Makes me wonder what the real intent is, because > > > > > the disconnect to too big to understand. > > > > > > > > So, you don't believe that David Lynch is donating money to > > > > get kids of all ages to learn to meditate? > > > > > > It doesn't *matter* what David Lynch is donating money > > > *for*. All that matters is what the TMO will do with > > > the money. The TMO doesn't *care* about any of these > > > new meditators; it cares only about real estate. > > > > > > > It doesn't matter what the TMO does with the money: David Lynch's > > foundation is paying for *initiations*. > > > > On the subtle level of feeling/intuition, doesn't it strike you as odd > that someone would need a foundation and or loans to pay for initiation? Not in the context that MMY has created. Whether this is a good thing or not remains to be seen. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF neighborhood meditation halls, : Global Family Chat March 18th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I'm relutant to bang on the same old drum, but it's > difficult > > > > > to attract the young at $2500 + $3000 plus dome fee per > seat. > > > > > All new flying halls will do is add more to the real estate > > > > > portfolio. Makes me wonder what the real intent is, because > > > > > the disconnect to too big to understand. > > > > > > > > So, you don't believe that David Lynch is donating money to > > > > get kids of all ages to learn to meditate? > > > > > > It doesn't *matter* what David Lynch is donating money > > > *for*. All that matters is what the TMO will do with > > > the money. The TMO doesn't *care* about any of these > > > new meditators; it cares only about real estate. > > > > It doesn't matter what the TMO does with the money: David Lynch's > > foundation is paying for *initiations*. > > And you haven't figured out *why*? > > It's because he, as committed as he may be to the > value of TM, knows that the TM organization has no > such commitment. He knows that if he just gave them > money and said, "Go do your thing," their "thing" > would be to build luxury housing for millionaire > Rajas or buy more real estate in India. Not a penny > of it would be spent helping people to learn TM. > You may be correct. So? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
