[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: [snip] [..] I'm a practicing tantrik and you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Nice pun :-) Tantra is not about sex. You do tantra a disservice just as Rajneesh did and many westerners who don't understand what tantra really is. Go find a real tantrik guru and study with him a few years and then we'll have a serious discussion about tantra. Let me see if I got this right, you are addressing a male and direct him to another male for instruction in tantric sexual practices (the subject of this thread). The defense rests.. :-) Why am I visualizing Beavis and Butthead? Heh heh heh...he said 'sex'...heh heh heh. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this film captures it. Two great songs by my harp hero. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgkUaHT4gHssearch=sonny%20boy% 20williamson Whoa! Thanks, Curtis. You just made my day! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Condy's solitary life?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: snip This is true, and she has lived an unusual life, that's for sure. Nonetheless, that doesn't mean, that in a stressful situation, like having to face the Iraq disaster...it's not to hard to imagine that something like that would take place. Let's face it: Both George and Condellezza like power- could be like a soul-mate thing; who knows?? It's really none of our business; I just find it funny that this karma returns, because they really dragged old Billy through the coals over his loose zipper... ...pretending all the while that it wasn't about sex. No, it was payback for Richard Nixon and Clarence Thomas. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know much about the blues, but I like Ry Cooder and Ellen McIlwayne (both slide guitarists). Are they considered players of the blues? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blues To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] All Mighty Particle??
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
On Jun 5, 2006, at 1:15 AM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: So what is yours (and Bhairitu's) take on MMY and other teachers reported sexual encounters, with regards to tantra? Do you feel there was some reasonable probability, or not, that there was some tantric practice type use of sexual energy involved? In M's case there is no indication that there was any tantric practice involved nor that M. even practices such methods. Indeed his emphasis has always been on Veda rather than tantra. So I'd give it zero probablility in this case. Muktananda is something entirely different--he appears to have mastered Vajroli or some similar technique. That's not to justify the using of young women as unwitting participants in your sexual practice as a good thing, but merely to point out what he was probably involved in. He most likely needed these methods to be able to continue iving shaktipat to groups of people (something rather untraditional in and of itself). Swami Rama, although a great adept in Inner Tantra, appears to not have been using it for practice either, but for satisfaction, control and release. Kalu Rinpoche does appear to have actually chosen a mudra, a sexual consort, but the women he chose seems to have confused that with a normal romantic relationship (it is not). It was to be the culmination of his sadhana. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:10 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I always felt that a Western description of the essence of tantra can be found in the Odyssey. Odysseus is sailing past the island of the sirens, of whom he has been warned. Sailors who hear their song become so captured by it that they drive their ships onto the rocks in pursuit of it and drown. So he has his crew stuff their ears with wax so that they can sail safely past, while he leaves his ears open and has himself tied to the mast so that he can hear it and exper- ience their song for himself. Whatever the particular practices of a particular formalized tradition of Tantra, its essence IMO has to do with exploring the polarities between energies, and learning how to manipulate those energies, for one's own good and that of others. Sex is just one tiny subset of polarized energies, having no more importance than any other. The most remarkable western equivalents I have seen are in western alchemical texts and Kabbalistic texts which contain some sexual practices. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Condy's solitary life?
In a message dated 6/4/06 11:48:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's really none of our business; I just find it funny that this karma returns, because they really dragged old Billy through the coals over his loose zipper... Actually, what's funny is that you fell for the article. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Condy's solitary life?
In a message dated 6/5/06 3:31:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ...pretending all the while that it "wasn't about sex."No, it was payback for Richard Nixon and Clarence Thomas. There is truth here as well. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Condy's solitary life?
In a message dated 6/5/06 12:35:10 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I understood that it was about lying under oath. Didn't the Arkansas Bar lift former President Clinton's law liscense and fine him over it too?You've drunk the Kool-Aid, I see.Technically, it was about lying under oath.For all practical (i.e., Republican) purposes, it wasabout sex. I think there might be two different batches of Kool-Aid here. Technically it was lying under oath for Republicans in general, concerning sexually harassment in the work place and a law that Clinton had just signed as I recall involving such and the obvious hypocrisydisplayed by Billy. And then you had the disgust of the moral issue,on the side, among the Christian right. The second batch of Kool-Aid I refer to is,"it's just about sex". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Condy's solitary life?
In a message dated 6/5/06 3:31:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ...pretending all the while that it "wasn't about sex."No, it was payback for Richard Nixon and Clarence Thomas. I think a coupleothers as well. The Senator from, I think it was Washington state. and a Senior Senator from Texas, for some reason their names escape me right now. Both were drummed out of the Senate for doing much the same things as Clinton was caught doing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Condy's solitary life?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/5/06 12:35:10 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I understood that it was about lying under oath. Didn't the Arkansas Bar lift former President Clinton's law liscense and fine him over it too? You've drunk the Kool-Aid, I see. Technically, it was about lying under oath. For all practical (i.e., Republican) purposes, it was about sex. I think there might be two different batches of Kool-Aid here. Technically it was lying under oath for Republicans in general, concerning sexually harassment in the work place and a law that Clinton had just signed as I recall involving such and the obvious hypocrisy displayed by Billy. And then you had the disgust of the moral issue, on the side, among the Christian right. The second batch of Kool-Aid I refer to is,it's just about sex. I didn't say it was JUST about sex. It was primarily about dirty Republican politics. The disgust about the moral issue, of course, did not come only from the Christian right; it was near- universal, as the Republican Clinton-haters knew it would be. They trapped him into lying about it so they could promote that moral disgust under the guise of outrage over the legal issue. The degree of Clinton's own hypocrisy was minuscule compared to that of the Republicans. And it wasn't just their political hypocrisy; it was hypocrisy with regard to the sexual behavior of several, if not many, of their own (Hyde, Gingrich, Livingston...). Fortunately the American people didn't fall for the political hypocrisy. Clinton's approval ratings, after falling briefly right after the revelations about Lewinsky, went *up* and stayed up throughout the whole impeachment process and right to the end of his term. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Condy's solitary life?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/4/06 11:48:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's really none of our business; I just find it funny that this karma returns, because they really dragged old Billy through the coals over his loose zipper... Actually, what's funny is that you fell for the article. It's funny whether one falls for the article or not. What's funny is that there *are* such articles. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
Ry Cooder started out in the Delta style. He moved on to fantastic fusion projects. I have not heard Ellen. I am searching for her on the Web. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know much about the blues, but I like Ry Cooder and Ellen McIlwayne (both slide guitarists). Are they considered players of the blues? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I heard some Little Walter on the radio the other day that knocked me right on my tail but wasn't able to catch the name of the album. The two biggest Chicago harp players are Little Walter and Sonny Boy Williamson II. Little Walter is from Louisiana and has a very jazzy style where he holds the mike cupped in his hands with his harp giving it an organ-like effect. His biggest hit was Juke and this link on Amazon gives you a taste of his style. Most harp players think he is God. I couldn't find a video but here are some songs. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B02OBZ/sr=8- 2/qid=1149472876/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-4458199-6191348?%5Fencoding=UTF8 But my harp Ista Deva comes in the form of Sonny Boy Williamson II from Mississippi. He played an acoustic style away from the mike which gives the true harp sound. He was a great song writer and a funny guy. He is also the single coolest man I have ever seen on film. On some videos he puts the harp all the way into his mouth and keeps playing it so he can snap his fingers. I love this guy and this film captures it. Two great songs by my harp hero. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgkUaHT4gHssearch=sonny%20boy% 20williamson --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Nice description of the great things about this music. I hung out with Brazilians when I was studying their style of Jiu-jitsu. They have such an expansive spirit, they were fun to be around. An ability to enjoy life that comes through in everything they do. Really charming. If you would care to send me to Amazon on a listening trip for one of your favorites I would enjoy that. Thing is, the only area of music I really know anything about is classical, and the snippets you can listen to on Amazon aren't long enough to be satisfying. I also love classic jazz and blues and certain ethnic music, but I'm not familiar enough with any of it to be able to say, Hey, go listen to this! I mostly listen to radio stations that specialize in these areas, and I follow other people's recommendations. I'm trying to get to the point where I know what I like well enough to buy some CDs. Rosa Passos really hit the spot, so that was a good start. Ever listen to African music. particularly from Mali? Not that I know of, but I'm willing to give it a try. Blues recommendations would be very welcome--generally the kind of thing you play, classic, acoustic, small ensembles, guitar, harp, sax. Don't know the subgenres well enough to give a preference. I heard some Little Walter on the radio the other day that knocked me right on my tail but wasn't able to catch the name of the album. (Yes, your CD is on my list!) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ry Cooder started out in the Delta style. He moved on to fantastic fusion projects. Actually, Ry started out with one of the first fusion projects of them all, Captain Beefheart's Magic Band. He didn't stay with them long, and moved on to find his own style. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
Title: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse The Independent Online Patti Boyd: My life as a muse Immortalised in song by lovers Harrison and Clapton, Patti Boyd was the 1960s 'It Girl'. She shows her remarkable photo album to Stuart Husband Published: 04 June 2006 At first glance, Patti Boyd seems to blend into the quiet corner of West Sussex where she's made her home. Her 17th-century cottage is adorned with wisteria; tomato plants and orange trees are meticulously potted in the greenhouse; and she exchanges cheery greetings with the lady neighbours walking their Labradors or mowing their lawns. But look more closely and clues to a more singular life emerge. Snapshots of rock royalty - George Harrison, Eric Clapton, Ronnie Wood, even Kate Moss - are displayed in the downstairs loo. A stone Buddha gazes serenely across the lawn toward the distant South Downs, while another plays peek-a-boo through a nook in a box-hedge. And Boyd herself - well, there's something in the way she moves. As she alights from her black Saab (she's just returned from a Pilates class) you're struck by her limber physique, her rock- grand-dame outfit - all layered-black and insouciantly knotted neckwear - and her cascade of mussed-up blonde hair. Then it strikes you: this is the no-way- is-she-62-year-old woman for whom three of rock's most enduring devotional tributes - The Beatles' Something, Derek The Dominoes' Layla, and Eric Clapton's Wonderful Tonight - were written. She's passed into pop- culture legend. I have led an exceptional life in some ways, yes, she says in clear, measured tones as we settle under an arbour. I mean, she continues, widening her eyes, I've been very lucky. I seem to have had a gift for landing in the right place at the right time. Boyd was one of the original 1960s It Girls - a cross between Kate Moss and Nicole Richie without the attendant substance abuse or dietetic drama. Embarking on a modelling career in her late teens, and serially shot by the likes of masters she refers to as Bailey and Donovan, she was hired by director Dick Lester to star in promotional campaigns as the Smith's Crisp Girl. When Lester went on to helm The Beatles' movie A Hard Day's Night, he cast her in less-a-cameo-more-a-miniature-role; however, her one line - Are they looking for prisoners? - was delivered in a schoolgirl's outfit, which brought her to the attention of George Harrison. The two were wed in 1966, in matching Mary Quant fur coats, and it was Boyd, and her growing interest in Eastern philosophy, that inspired The Beatles' subsequent exploration of transcendental meditation and 1968 visit to the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's Indian ashram. Harrison and Boyd divorced in 1977, blaming divergent interests, and Eric Clapton, who had long carried a torch for Boyd - his Layla the ultimate paean to their unrequited love - stepped in. They married two years later, and Boyd was with Clapton through his alcohol and heroin addiction, before they split at the end of the 1980s. The two are still friends; Boyd also remained close to Harrison until his death in 2001. Boyd has documented these happenings with what she calls my little snaps since the late 1960s. Now, an exhibition of some 50 of her photographs is due to open at London's Proud Galleries, and provides an intimate look at some epoch-making lives and times, seen through the eyes of an ultimate insider. There's a barefoot George, John and Paul, hanging out and zoning out; Eric, doggedly plucking at his guitar or posing in what looks like a Bentley/ T42 tank hybrid; mellow Indian and Caribbean landscapes, with passing natives and kneeling camels; and Patti herself, looking like Gwyneth Paltrow's guileless younger sister. Boyd may have learnt about photography before the lenses of the classic 1960s portraitists, but her own work aspires to the ingenuous quality of Doisneau or Cartier-Bresson. None of the photos are 'staged' as such, she says. I just snapped when I thought the time or the light was right. I like their unself-conscious quality; I never felt I was creating a historical archive. She glances over at the impassive Buddha. I didn't keep a diary in those days, so the pictures form a sort of record, I suppose. They'd all been in boxes and (omega) cupboards for decades until I had my first exhibition in San Francisco last year. Up to then, I thought I might only have three or four of interest. She grins. I was as surprised as anyone at what I found. Nevertheless, Boyd professes herself nervous at the prospect of the London show, not only because her life will be writ large on the walls, but also at the judgment of her peers. I mean, photography is my job now, she stresses. When Eric and I split up, I knew that I had to do something to make some money, so I did a serious photography course and actively tried to find work. Today, I shoot for magazines and I'm commissioned to do portraits for friends. This has included a 1990s collaboration with Rolling
[FairfieldLife] Re: Condy's solitary life?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/5/06 3:31:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ...pretending all the while that it wasn't about sex. No, it was payback for Richard Nixon and Clarence Thomas. There is truth here as well. Congrats. You may be the first person ever to include Richard Nixon, Clarence Thomas and truth in one thought. (Did it cause a headache?) :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
Do you know which albums have the most Delta style slide? I have not listened to enough of him and would like to. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Ry Cooder started out in the Delta style. He moved on to fantastic fusion projects. Actually, Ry started out with one of the first fusion projects of them all, Captain Beefheart's Magic Band. He didn't stay with them long, and moved on to find his own style. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse The muse sayeth: But you have to cut yourself a bit of slack in the end, I think. I certainly wouldn't have lived through any other era. People blame the 1960s for just about everything these days, but it was the decade when all that post-war furtiveness and small-mindedness was finally blown open and opportunity really came knocking. Well said. It was an interesting era to live through. I don't know who here is old enough to remember the 1950s and what it was like growing up in them. We're talking 'duck and cover.' We're talking people brag- ging about the size and quality of the fallout shelters they just built in the back yard. It was not a happy time, no matter how many neocons think it was and want to return us to that mindset. And then something happened called the Sixties. Something snapped and for the next decade darkness did not have as easy a time of it winning out over light. Good for her for standing up for that period. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 1:15 AM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: So what is yours (and Bhairitu's) take on MMY and other teachers reported sexual encounters, with regards to tantra? Do you feel there was some reasonable probability, or not, that there was some tantric practice type use of sexual energy involved? In M's case there is no indication that there was any tantric practice involved and were there indications there were not? I am getting at, how much does anyone but the girls know about what happened behind closed door. And (this is not an apologetic comment, rather exploratory) could M have been doing stuff the girls were not aware of? That is, tantra from his side, regular sex from theirs? nor that M. even practices such methods. Indeed his emphasis has always been on Veda rather than tantra. So I'd give it zero probablility in this case. But I thought you have been saying a lot of his methods are tantric, not vedic, regardless of what he calls them. And aren't there indications that SBS practiced things tantric? Is Sri Vidyha tantric? Can a student get it (things tantric) via transmission? Before or after the master drops his mortal coil? Did Tat Walla Baba practice tantra? M was close to him. Muktananda is something entirely different--he appears to have mastered Vajroli or some similar technique. That's not to justify the using of young women as unwitting participants in your sexual practice as a good thing, but merely to point out what he was probably involved in. He most likely needed these methods to be able to continue iving shaktipat to groups of people (something rather untraditional in and of itself). Swami Rama, although a great adept in Inner Tantra, appears to not have been using it for practice either, but for satisfaction, control and release. appears is an interesting word. Appears to whom? (Same questions as for M. above.) Also, a tantric may engage in sex to detatch him/herself from it, to condition identifications to diety and not body. Assuming we had videos, would the latter be apparent and not sex for for satisfaction, control and release? And who watched? That is, to whom was his activity in bed manifest? Kalu Rinpoche does appear to have actually chosen a mudra, a sexual consort, but the women he chose seems to have confused that with a normal romantic relationship (it is not). It was to be the culmination of his sadhana. Appears again. Could all that simply be a front for raw sensual sex? If you saw MDG OR (NOT AND) Bhairu having sex (I am just training your mind to not be conditioned to environment, thoughts, like the cemetary thing, etc. :)) , would you assume either is engaged in raw sensual sex with their female partners -- with a tantric veneer for appearances? Or, the opposite, that is engaged in a deep sadhana? That is, do appaearances necessarily have much to do with the inner and underlying reality? I suppose you could pull the one knows the other defense -- popular here at late. That is, a trantric master knows another tantric master so its obvious if you 'KNOW'. But I was hoping for answers more substantive. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Armstrong. Einstein and Capt. Beefheart
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Ry Cooder started out in the Delta style. He moved on to fantastic fusion projects. Actually, Ry started out with one of the first fusion projects of them all, Captain Beefheart's Magic Band. He didn't stay with them long, and moved on to find his own style. Or was it Captain Beefheart's Electric Band? Or was that one of their songs? Ee---lec-t-riii---ct They were a trip live. Their albums didn't rock my world -- but I did hear many. --- Your version appears correct. It takes an outsize ego to make great art. By all accounts that was the case with Don Van Vliet, a.k.a. Captain Beefheart, leader of the quintessential cockeyed rock 'n' roll band. Creators of perhaps the most obscure critically revered rock record of all time, 1969's ``Trout Mask Replica,'' California's Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band epitomized rock's version of art for art's sake. Misunderstood -- even openly reviled -- in its day, the band has been an inspiration for such disparate musicians as PJ Harvey, Joan Osborne, Tom Waits and the late Jeff Buckley. This month, Revenant Records, a small, meticulous reissue label in Austin, Texas, is releasing the long-awaited five-CD Beefheart set ``Grow Fins: Rarities (1965-1982).'' Also coming: Buddha's reissues of early Beefheart recordings including the garagelike ``Safe as Milk'' and a two-disc Rhino Records ``best of'' compilation. ``It's a bonanza,'' says guitarist Gary Lucas, who played in Beefheart's last lineup and managed his career for a time. ``It's going to put a spotlight on the guy's genius again. ``To me he is one of the titans. He laughed and stuck out his tongue, but I'd rate him right up there.'' Stubbornly unorthodox, the Magic Band showcased marimbas, free-jazz saxophones and Van Vliet's farfetched wordplay, sung in a preposterous Wolfman Jack rasp. The band was like a wrong-way tugboat bobbing in the wake of the hippie juggernaut. The acid-rock bands ``were doing music,'' says guitarist Bill Harkleroad, who went by the moniker Zoot Horn Rollo during his years with the group (1968-74). ``We were doing art.'' Unfortunately, he says, life with Van Vliet was demanding. ``I would say I had a friendship with him, but I would also say I was completely brainwashed and brutalized by him.'' Today, Van Vliet, who switched his focus from music to painting almost two decades ago, is reportedly suffering from multiple sclerosis. He is 58 and lives in seclusion with his wife somewhere in rural California. Eerie tales of the Captain's tyrannical lead ership and the band's communal existence in and around Los Angeles abound in Harkleroad's new book, ``Lunar Notes: Zoot Horn Rollo's Captain Beefheart Experience'' (SAF Publishing/UK). ``In hindsight it was a great learning experience,'' says Harkleroad, who now lives in Eugene, Ore., where he teaches guitar and runs a record shop. ``I was looking way deep in my soul as a 19-year-old kid. . . . It was hell to go through.'' Van Vliet, a child prodigy as a sculptor, treated music making like an act of assemblage. Avant-garde jazz played as much a role in the band's evolution as the electric blues that first inspired it. ``I was listening to Coltrane as long as the headphones would stay on my head,'' Harkleroad says. ``We got into Albert Ayler and Cecil Taylor, to the point where key signatures and keys didn't matter anymore. And a Van Gogh painting might be just as important to creating this artistic mentality as any music.'' One strange result of the group's audacity was that, at the height of the hippie era, the Magic Band's core audience consisted of chemistry-set misfits. ``Ninety-nine-point-nine percent of our audience were nerds with glasses and penholders,'' Harkleroad says. ``No women.'' Matt Groening, creator of ``The Simpsons,'' has often acknowledged his love for the music of Captain Beefheart and his occasional colleague, Frank Zappa. Lucas first met Van Vliet and the band in 1971, when he helped organize a show at Yale University, where he was a student. ``I talked to Don the week before they got there,'' he recalls. ``I have a tape of that somewhere. My voice was shaking.'' The show, he says, was life-altering. ``That's when I vowed if I were to do anything in music, I'd be in that group.'' Over the years, he stayed in contact with Van Vliet. As the ever-changing Magic Band entered into a run of mediocre album releases in the mid-'70s, Lucas saw many of the band's East Coast shows, bills shared by would-be rock stars like Bob Seger and Billy Joel. Eventually he revealed his desire to audition for the group as a guitar player. Lucas joined for a cameo on the well-received 1980 album ``Doc at the Radar Station,'' then became a full-fledged band mem ber in time for what would become the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
on 6/5/06 10:24 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse The muse sayeth: But you have to cut yourself a bit of slack in the end, I think. I certainly wouldn't have lived through any other era. People blame the 1960s for just about everything these days, but it was the decade when all that post-war furtiveness and small-mindedness was finally blown open and opportunity really came knocking. Well said. It was an interesting era to live through. I don't know who here is old enough to remember the 1950s and what it was like growing up in them. We're talking 'duck and cover.' We're talking people brag- ging about the size and quality of the fallout shelters they just built in the back yard. It was not a happy time, no matter how many neocons think it was and want to return us to that mindset. I'm old enough (56) to remember air raid drills in grammar school in which we'd assemble in the hallway and cover our heads with our hands (as if that would protect one from an atomic bomb) and the local lumber company had a fallout shelter for sale, prominently displayed on the main street. We used to play in it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Armstrong, with a word from Einstein
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know which albums have the most Delta style slide? I have not listened to enough of him and would like to. I'm sorry, I don't. I have only a few of his albums, and most of them soundtracks. He does marvelous soundtracks. He's an interesting guitarist, one of a handful whose 'touch' is so recognizable that I can hear the first ten notes of a song I've never heard before and tell you who is playing. Others include Jimi Hendrix (of course), Jerry Garcia, Ry, Mark Knopfler, Bruce Cockburn, Carlos Vamos, Clapton, Zappa, B.B. King, and Bo Diddley. I personally like Ry's distinctive sound, but not everyone does. Some say he just rips off traditional styles but I don't agree with that. It's like the old line about the guy accused of borrowing from another writer's ideas. He said, Only hacks borrow; great writers steal. Ry doesn't borrow, he steals. He takes it and makes it his own. In the world of blues, that can be considered either a good thing or a bad thing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse The muse sayeth: But you have to cut yourself a bit of slack in the end, I think. I certainly wouldn't have lived through any other era. People blame the 1960s for just about everything these days, but it was the decade when all that post-war furtiveness and small-mindedness was finally blown open and opportunity really came knocking. Well said. It was an interesting era to live through. I don't know who here is old enough to remember the 1950s and what it was like growing up in them. We're talking 'duck and cover.' We're talking people brag- ging about the size and quality of the fallout shelters they just built in the back yard. How many of your neighbors bragged about that to you? None in my neighbor. No one at my school (1500 kids or so). No one in entire area (Bay Area) in newspaper or TV reports. Where did you live in the 50's? Morocco? It was not a happy time, Maybe not for you. I had fun and was happy. (But my happiness usually is not dependent on the times) Sorry you missed Chuck Berry, early Memphis Elvis, Doo-Wop, Willie Mays, sputnik, polio vaccine, Burns and Allen ... no matter how many neocons think it was and want to return us to that mindset. Though I am not a neo-con, I have no desire to return to the 50's, or 60's or 70's. etc. Life is RIGHT HERE NOW. Not in some golden era of our childhoods. And I don't see neo-cons want to return to 50's. Among other things, don't they seek universal self-determination? We have come a long ways on that front since the 50's. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:10 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I always felt that a Western description of the essence of tantra can be found in the Odyssey. Odysseus is sailing past the island of the sirens, of whom he has been warned. Sailors who hear their song become so captured by it that they drive their ships onto the rocks in pursuit of it and drown. So he has his crew stuff their ears with wax so that they can sail safely past, while he leaves his ears open and has himself tied to the mast so that he can hear it and exper- ience their song for himself. Whatever the particular practices of a particular formalized tradition of Tantra, its essence IMO has to do with exploring the polarities between energies, and learning how to manipulate those energies, for one's own good and that of others. Sex is just one tiny subset of polarized energies, having no more importance than any other. The most remarkable western equivalents I have seen are in western alchemical texts and Kabbalistic texts which contain some sexual practices. Interesting that Middle Eastern and Indo-European practices are referred to as Western. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm old enough (56) to remember air raid drills in grammar school in which we'd assemble in the hallway and cover our heads with our hands Well, that dosn't say much for the Conn educational system. :) In california we had emergency drills where we would scoot under big tables, or doorways to protect against disasters such as earthquakes, etc. and the local lumber company had a fallout shelter for sale, prominently displayed on the main street. We used to play in it. How many bought one? Did they get to keep the kids left inside? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/5/06 10:24 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse The muse sayeth: But you have to cut yourself a bit of slack in the end, I think. I certainly wouldn't have lived through any other era. People blame the 1960s for just about everything these days, but it was the decade when all that post-war furtiveness and small-mindedness was finally blown open and opportunity really came knocking. Well said. It was an interesting era to live through. I don't know who here is old enough to remember the 1950s and what it was like growing up in them. We're talking 'duck and cover.' We're talking people brag- ging about the size and quality of the fallout shelters they just built in the back yard. It was not a happy time, no matter how many neocons think it was and want to return us to that mindset. I'm old enough (56) to remember air raid drills in grammar school in which we'd assemble in the hallway and cover our heads with our hands (as if that would protect one from an atomic bomb) and the local lumber company had a fallout shelter for sale, prominently displayed on the main street. We used to play in it. I'm about eight years older than you, and I don't remember much of any drill-type stuff (but I went to a private progressive school, whose administrators may have had more sense than to inflict that idiocy on the students). But I do remember the air-raid shelter signs on just about every building (this was in NYC). Some of them, oddly enough, are still there, yellow circles with black arrows, I think, pointing to the basement. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
on 6/5/06 10:50 AM, new_morning_blank_slate at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and the local lumber company had a fallout shelter for sale, prominently displayed on the main street. We used to play in it. How many bought one? Did they get to keep the kids left inside? Never saw one actually installed. It was a flimsy aluminum sheeting thing that presumably was supposed to be buried and accessed through a tunnel or stairway. Would have made a good tornado shelter. Maybe I should get one. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
On Jun 5, 2006, at 11:14 AM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 1:15 AM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: So what is yours (and Bhairitu's) take on MMY and other teachers reported sexual encounters, with regards to tantra? Do you feel there was some reasonable probability, or not, that there was some tantric practice type use of sexual energy involved? In M's case there is no indication that there was any tantric practice involved and were there indications there were not? I am getting at, how much does anyone but the girls know about what happened behind closed door. And (this is not an apologetic comment, rather exploratory) could M have been doing stuff the girls were not aware of? That is, tantra from his side, regular sex from theirs? Based on what I've heard he said (i.e. his dismissive attitude towards tantra) I would doubt it. Of course it is possible he was practicing tantra, but IMO, highly improbable. nor that M. even practices such methods. Indeed his emphasis has always been on Veda rather than tantra. So I'd give it zero probablility in this case. But I thought you have been saying a lot of his methods are tantric, not vedic, regardless of what he calls them. The word *tantra* does not necessarily infer *sexual*. Yes, the TM mantras are tantric in origin, but not in a sexual sense. And aren't there indications that SBS practiced things tantric? Indeed he did. I've received practice in SBS's line of transmission, however none of those practices involved sex. Is Sri Vidyha tantric? Yes, highest yoga tantra. Can a student get it (things tantric) via transmission? Well, it depends what you mean by *transmission*. In some lineages you always receive a transmission before you practice, that's your initiation and permission to do the practice. Before or after the master drops his mortal coil? Did Tat Walla Baba practice tantra? M was close to him. Presumably yoga, no? I do know that M. has received tantric transmission--but these were essentially yoga-tantra (not Kaula or vama-marga practices, i.e. sexual practices). Muktananda is something entirely different--he appears to have mastered Vajroli or some similar technique. That's not to justify the using of young women as unwitting participants in your sexual practice as a good thing, but merely to point out what he was probably involved in. He most likely needed these methods to be able to continue iving shaktipat to groups of people (something rather untraditional in and of itself). Swami Rama, although a great adept in Inner Tantra, appears to not have been using it for practice either, but for satisfaction, control and release. appears is an interesting word. Appears to whom? (Same questions as for M. above.) To me and others who've commented. Also, a tantric may engage in sex to detatch him/herself from it, to condition identifications to diety and not body. Assuming we had videos, would the latter be apparent and not sex for for satisfaction, control and release? And who watched? That is, to whom was his activity in bed manifest? It might of might not be apparent. Some of the methods used are quite strenuous and therefore more obvious to an innocent, ahem, bystander. Therefore it would depend on which method was being used (*if* a method was being used). Kalu Rinpoche does appear to have actually chosen a mudra, a sexual consort, but the women he chose seems to have confused that with a normal romantic relationship (it is not). It was to be the culmination of his sadhana. Appears again. Could all that simply be a front for raw sensual sex? In the case of Kalu Rinpoche, of course it *could* be, but it is also a logical conclusion of the path he was known to be on to practice with a karma-mudra (i.e. a sexual consort). If you saw MDG OR (NOT AND) Bhairu having sex (I am just training your mind to not be conditioned to environment, thoughts, like the cemetary thing, etc. :)) , would you assume either is engaged in raw sensual sex with their female partners -- with a tantric veneer for appearances? Or, the opposite, that is engaged in a deep sadhana? That is, do appaearances necessarily have much to do with the inner and underlying reality? Not necessarily. I suppose you could pull the one knows the other defense -- popular here at late. That is, a trantric master knows another tantric master so its obvious if you 'KNOW'. But I was hoping for answers more substantive. It is true that the style of moving energy would be apparent to one who had practiced it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
On Jun 5, 2006, at 11:41 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:10 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I always felt that a Western description of the essence of tantra can be found in the Odyssey. Odysseus is sailing past the island of the sirens, of whom he has been warned. Sailors who hear their song become so captured by it that they drive their ships onto the rocks in pursuit of it and drown. So he has his crew stuff their ears with wax so that they can sail safely past, while he leaves his ears open and has himself tied to the mast so that he can hear it and exper- ience their song for himself. Whatever the particular practices of a particular formalized tradition of Tantra, its essence IMO has to do with exploring the polarities between energies, and learning how to manipulate those energies, for one's own good and that of others. Sex is just one tiny subset of polarized energies, having no more importance than any other. The most remarkable western equivalents I have seen are in western alchemical texts and Kabbalistic texts which contain some sexual practices. Interesting that Middle Eastern and Indo-European practices are referred to as Western. Not really. The texts I am referring to come from western Europe: England and Spain. What's more interesting to me is that these texts don't appear in the west until *after* the Islamic invasions of India... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I don't know who here is old enough to remember the 1950s and what it was like growing up in them. .. It was not a happy time, Maybe not for you. I had fun and was happy. (But my happiness usually is not dependent on the times) Sorry you missed Chuck Berry, early Memphis Elvis, Doo-Wop, Willie Mays, sputnik, polio vaccine, Burns and Allen ... And further missed or did not enjoy: the Beat culture, the discovery of DNA, JD Salinger, the initial renaisance of folk music, Jason Pollack, Grace Kelly, I Love Lucy, Jack Benny, early Marlon Brando, James Dean, Bo Diddley, Maverick, Have Gun Will Travel, Twilight Zone, Cary Grant, Audrey Hepburn, Alfred Hitchcock, Buddy Holly, Yogi Berra, early Mad Magazine, Ed Murrow, The Defenders ... And sorry you missed or did not enjoy these films: Sunset Blvd. (1950) Rashômon (1950) Rio Grande (1950) The African Queen (1951) A Streetcar Named Desire (1951) Singin' in the Rain (1952) High Noon (1952) The Quiet Man (1952) Ikiru (1952) Monkey Business (1952) Roman Holiday (1953) Stalag 17 (1953) >From Here to Eternity (1953) Shane (1953) Gentlemen Prefer Blondes (1953) Rear Window (1954) Shichinin no samurai (1954) On the Waterfront (1954) Dial M for Murder (1954) Sabrina (1954) Strada, La (1954) The Caine Mutiny (1954) Rebel Without a Cause (1955) To Catch a Thief (1955) East of Eden (1955) The Trouble with Harry (1955) Mister Roberts (1955) Diaboliques, Les (1955) The Seven Year Itch (1955) The Searchers (1956) The Ten Commandments (1956) The Man Who Knew Too Much (1956) Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956) Giant (1956) The King and I (1956) Around the World in Eighty Days (1956) 12 Angry Men (1957) The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) Paths of Glory (1957) An Affair to Remember (1957) Notti di Cabiria, Le (19 Vertigo (1958) Touch of Evil (1958) Cat on a Hot Tin Roof (1958) Kakushi-toride no san-akunin (1958) A Night to Remember (1958) The Blob (1958) The Fly (1958) Gigi (1958) North by Northwest (1959) Some Like It Hot (1959) Ben-Hur (1959) Rio Bravo (1959) Quatre cents coups, Les (1959) Sleeping Beauty (1959) Anatomy of a Murder (1959) Pillow Talk (1959) Hiroshima mon amour (1959) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 6/5/06 10:24 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse The muse sayeth: But you have to cut yourself a bit of slack in the end, I think. I certainly wouldn't have lived through any other era. People blame the 1960s for just about everything these days, but it was the decade when all that post-war furtiveness and small-mindedness was finally blown open and opportunity really came knocking. Well said. It was an interesting era to live through. I don't know who here is old enough to remember the 1950s and what it was like growing up in them. We're talking 'duck and cover.' We're talking people brag- ging about the size and quality of the fallout shelters they just built in the back yard. It was not a happy time, no matter how many neocons think it was and want to return us to that mindset. I'm old enough (56) to remember air raid drills in grammar school in which we'd assemble in the hallway and cover our heads with our hands (as if that would protect one from an atomic bomb) and the local lumber company had a fallout shelter for sale, prominently displayed on the main street. We used to play in it. I'm about eight years older than you, and I don't remember much of any drill-type stuff (but I went to a private progressive school, whose administrators may have had more sense than to inflict that idiocy on the students). But I do remember the air-raid shelter signs on just about every building (this was in NYC). Some of them, oddly enough, are still there, yellow circles with black arrows, I think, pointing to the basement. And I don't remember it as an unhappy time at all. It was a very *different* time, a complacent time, air-raid shelters notwithstanding. The unhappiness (among adults, at least) really began when JFK was assassinated and kept escalating until Nixon's resignation, parallel with the flower-power movement. I'm just pre-baby boomer, so I sort of had a foot in each generation, never quite knew which I belonged to. I missed the Cuban missile crisis. It happened when I was in college, and I was so involved in extra- curricular activities (primarily theater) that I wasn't aware of it at all when it was going on. It wasn't until some years later that I found out what had happened. That still amazes me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
on 6/5/06 11:36 AM, new_morning_blank_slate at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I don't know who here is old enough to remember the 1950s and what it was like growing up in them. .. It was not a happy time, Maybe not for you. I had fun and was happy. (But my happiness usually is not dependent on the times) Sorry you missed Chuck Berry, early Memphis Elvis, Doo-Wop, Willie Mays, sputnik, polio vaccine, Burns and Allen ... And further missed or did not enjoy: the Beat culture, the discovery of DNA, JD Salinger, the initial renaisance of folk music, Jason Pollack, Grace Kelly, I Love Lucy, Jack Benny, early Marlon Brando, James Dean, Bo Diddley, Maverick, Have Gun Will Travel, Twilight Zone, Cary Grant, Audrey Hepburn, Alfred Hitchcock, Buddy Holly, Yogi Berra, early Mad Magazine, Ed Murrow, The Defenders ... You forgot the best one of all, The Steve Allen Show, with Tom Posten, Louis Nye, Don Knotts, etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 11:14 AM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: Can a student get it (things tantric) via transmission? Well, it depends what you mean by *transmission*. In some lineages you always receive a transmission before you practice, that's your initiation and permission to do the practice. I got the impression nmbs was asking whether entire techniques and realizations can be transmitted to the student 'mind to mind,' without the use of words. If that was the question, I'd have to answer that with a big Yes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 11:14 AM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 1:15 AM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: So what is yours (and Bhairitu's) take on MMY and other teachers reported sexual encounters, with regards to tantra? Do you feel there was some reasonable probability, or not, that there was some tantric practice type use of sexual energy involved? In M's case there is no indication that there was any tantric practice involved and were there indications there were not? I am getting at, how much does anyone but the girls know about what happened behind closed door. And (this is not an apologetic comment, rather exploratory) could M have been doing stuff the girls were not aware of? That is, tantra from his side, regular sex from theirs? Based on what I've heard he said (i.e. his dismissive attitude towards tantra) What specifically have you heard? I never heard him mention tantra -- that I can recall. But I did hear him make cautionary or dismissive comments on Jyotish, ayurveda, etc, and later strongly endorse them. My sense is prior negative statements were to wait until the time is right rather than i) not know anything about them, or ii) beleiving they had no value. I would doubt it. Of course it is possible he was practicing tantra, but IMO, highly improbable. Again, why. Were you that close to him? Sitting around yagya pit under the full mmoon, trading yogi stories? He used to sing bajans in his bathtub. (per people attending to his needs). Was that highly improbable to you given his outward teachings? nor that M. even practices such methods. Indeed his emphasis has always been on Veda rather than tantra. So I'd give it zero probablility in this case. But I thought you have been saying a lot of his methods are tantric, not vedic, regardless of what he calls them. The word *tantra* does not necessarily infer *sexual*. Yes, the TM mantras are tantric in origin, but not in a sexual sense. Yes, amd the word tantra does not exclude the sexual,even if its only a small part. So his REAL emphasis has NOT always been on Veda rather than tantra. Why would you presume he only took on SOME partial tantric knowledge and not the WHOLEness of it? If anything MMY goes for the Wholeness. And aren't there indications that SBS practiced things tantric? Indeed he did. I've received practice in SBS's line of transmission, however none of those practices involved sex. Just because he didn't practice the sexual practices, being a life celibate, that in no way indicates that he did not have knowledge of such, and could not pass them on when appropriate. I have heard he -- being a world teacher taught those of all faiths (including muslims and christians) giving them things that would help them in their paths. EVEN though he did not practice such. Is Sri Vidyha tantric? Yes, highest yoga tantra. Can a student get it (things tantric) via transmission? Well, it depends what you mean by *transmission*. In some lineages you always receive a transmission before you practice, that's your initiation and permission to do the practice. I mean even if you assume SBS did not much explicitly andverbally share his tantric knowledge with MMY, could a disciple, later in an awakened state, receive such knowledge bytransmission or simply placing attention on their master? (I GET stuff by placing attention on saints -- those currently in and out of mortal coil. So I know its a valid means of insight.) Before or after the master drops his mortal coil? Did Tat Walla Baba practice tantra? M was close to him. Presumably yoga, no? I do know that M. has received tantric transmission How do you know this? --but these were essentially yoga-tantra (not Kaula or vama-marga practices, i.e. sexual practices). And how do you know of this exclusion? Muktananda is something entirely different--he appears to have mastered Vajroli or some similar technique. That's not to justify the using of young women as unwitting participants in your sexual practice as a good thing, but merely to point out what he was probably involved in. He most likely needed these methods to be able to continue iving shaktipat to groups of people (something rather untraditional in and of itself). Swami Rama, although a great adept in Inner Tantra, appears to not have been using it for practice either, but for satisfaction, control and release. appears is an interesting word. Appears to whom? (Same questions as for M. above.) To me and others who've commented. So its just appearance. Appearances are always true? Appearances are always pure SAT? Also, a tantric may engage in sex to detatch him/herself from it, to condition
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 11:14 AM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: Can a student get it (things tantric) via transmission? Well, it depends what you mean by *transmission*. In some lineages you always receive a transmission before you practice, that's your initiation and permission to do the practice. I got the impression nmbs was asking whether entire techniques and realizations can be transmitted to the student 'mind to mind,' without the use of words. If that was the question, I'd have to answer that with a big Yes. Yes. That was what nmbs was asking. (I am pleased you received that transmission clearly. :) ) And thus supporting, though in no way proving, the following train of logic and possibilities: 1) did SBS practice (real) tantra? Apparently yes. 2) did MMY use or teach some tantric things (regardless of what he called them)? Apparently yes. 3) Could SBS have known and even taught things (possibly including tantric) he did not personally practice? Apparently yes. 4) Could SBS have taught MMY tantric things appropriate for householders (his focus for MMY)? Possibly. 5) Could SBS or other teachers have taught MMY tantric things by (passive or active) transmission? Possibly. 6) Could MMY have learned tantric things via Ritam, mandala, or some other means of inner knowldge? Possibly. 7) Did MMY experiment and test lots of things? Emphatically yes. 8) Could MMY have sought to test some sexual tantric practices that he picked up i) directly from a teacher, or, ii) via transmission, or iii) from other yogis (tat walla babba,etc), or iv) from pundits /scriptures? Possibly. 9) Could MMY have solely sought raw sensual pleasure from his encounters? Possibly. (But doesn't fit his MO,IMO.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 11:14 AM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: Can a student get it (things tantric) via transmission? Well, it depends what you mean by *transmission*. In some lineages you always receive a transmission before you practice, that's your initiation and permission to do the practice. I got the impression nmbs was asking whether entire techniques and realizations can be transmitted to the student 'mind to mind,' without the use of words. If that was the question, I'd have to answer that with a big Yes. Yes. That was what nmbs was asking. (I am pleased you received that transmission clearly. :) ) And thus supporting, though in no way proving, the following train of logic and possibilities: I support none of the speculations below or your assumed answsers to them. I dealt only with one question. It does not relate to your followup questions or to what you seem to want to do with this information in any way. 1) did SBS practice (real) tantra? Apparently yes. 2) did MMY use or teach some tantric things (regardless of what he called them)? Apparently yes. 3) Could SBS have known and even taught things (possibly including tantric) he did not personally practice? Apparently yes. 4) Could SBS have taught MMY tantric things appropriate for householders (his focus for MMY)? Possibly. 5) Could SBS or other teachers have taught MMY tantric things by (passive or active) transmission? Possibly. 6) Could MMY have learned tantric things via Ritam, mandala, or some other means of inner knowldge? Possibly. 7) Did MMY experiment and test lots of things? Emphatically yes. 8) Could MMY have sought to test some sexual tantric practices that he picked up i) directly from a teacher, or, ii) via transmission, or iii) from other yogis (tat walla babba,etc), or iv) from pundits /scriptures? Possibly. 9) Could MMY have solely sought raw sensual pleasure from his encounters? Possibly. (But doesn't fit his MO,IMO.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Vedic Vibration Program
Does anyone know anything about the Vedic Vibration Program? They are coming to my town soon. Is this for real or only another money making scheme where they chant some mantras silently and then blow on the recipient? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Hypersensitivity about Response Posts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 11:14 AM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: Can a student get it (things tantric) via transmission? Well, it depends what you mean by *transmission*. In some lineages you always receive a transmission before you practice, that's your initiation and permission to do the practice. I got the impression nmbs was asking whether entire techniques and realizations can be transmitted to the student 'mind to mind,' without the use of words. If that was the question, I'd have to answer that with a big Yes. Yes. That was what nmbs was asking. (I am pleased you received that transmission clearly. :) ) And thus supporting, though in no way proving, the following train of logic and possibilities: I support none of the speculations below or your assumed answsers to them. I dealt only with one question. I in no way assumed otherwise. Nor did I in any way imply it, did I? It does not relate to your followup questions or to what you seem to want to do with this information in any way. I in no way assumed otherwise. Nor did I in any way imply it, did I? ** WARNING * The FOLLOWING ARE MY OWN PERSONAL THOUGHTS AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRUED BY ANYONE, EVEN THE CAUSUAL AND UNCAREFUL READER, AS HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE POINTS, BELIEFS. LOGIC OR CONCLUSIONS OF THE PRIOR POSTER. ** I find some react quite strongly (apparently) to posts that both address some comment in an prior post, AND then, in a new section, carve out new ground with new comments that have nothing to do with the prior poster. To me the break between the two is obvious. But if its not -- to all -- then its good feedback. Perhaps its a good practice to split comments. In a response post, respond ONLY to what the poster says. THEN start a new post, perhaps with new Subject Title, to express ones new thoughts that are not related to the prior posters. What do you think? It seems overkill to me. And would unnecessarily break up the flow of thoughts and ideas. But if some are hypersensitive to fresh ideas being introduced in a response to their posts, even if in a new section, then perhaps such hypersensitivy IMO, should be respected. Or at least tip-toed around. == 1) did SBS practice (real) tantra? Apparently yes. 2) did MMY use or teach some tantric things (regardless of what he called them)? Apparently yes. 3) Could SBS have known and even taught things (possibly including tantric) he did not personally practice? Apparently yes. 4) Could SBS have taught MMY tantric things appropriate for householders (his focus for MMY)? Possibly. 5) Could SBS or other teachers have taught MMY tantric things by (passive or active) transmission? Possibly. 6) Could MMY have learned tantric things via Ritam, mandala, or some other means of inner knowldge? Possibly. 7) Did MMY experiment and test lots of things? Emphatically yes. 8) Could MMY have sought to test some sexual tantric practices that he picked up i) directly from a teacher, or, ii) via transmission, or iii) from other yogis (tat walla babba,etc), or iv) from pundits /scriptures? Possibly. 9) Could MMY have solely sought raw sensual pleasure from his encounters? Possibly. (But doesn't fit his MO,IMO.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
On Jun 5, 2006, at 1:00 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 11:14 AM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 1:15 AM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: So what is yours (and Bhairitu's) take on MMY and other teachers reported sexual encounters, with regards to tantra? Do you feel there was some reasonable probability, or not, that there was some tantric practice type use of sexual energy involved? In M's case there is no indication that there was any tantric practice involved and were there indications there were not? I am getting at, how much does anyone but the girls know about what happened behind closed door. And (this is not an apologetic comment, rather exploratory) could M have been doing stuff the girls were not aware of? That is, tantra from his side, regular sex from theirs? Based on what I've heard he said (i.e. his dismissive attitude towards tantra) What specifically have you heard? I never heard him mention tantra -- that I can recall. A friend I know asked him directly about tantra, so I'm replying based on that response. But I did hear him make cautionary or dismissive comments on Jyotish, ayurveda, etc, and later strongly endorse them. My sense is prior negative statements were to wait until the time is right rather than i) not know anything about them, or ii) beleiving they had no value. Anythings possible. Have you ever met any renunciates in the practice line of the Shankaracharya Order who practiced sexual tantra? I would doubt it. Of course it is possible he was practicing tantra, but IMO, highly improbable. Again, why. Were you that close to him? Sitting around yagya pit under the full mmoon, trading yogi stories? No, I'm just commenting based on what I do know and his line of practice. He used to sing bajans in his bathtub. (per people attending to his needs). Was that highly improbable to you given his outward teachings? nor that M. even practices such methods. Indeed his emphasis has always been on Veda rather than tantra. So I'd give it zero probablility in this case. But I thought you have been saying a lot of his methods are tantric, not vedic, regardless of what he calls them. The word *tantra* does not necessarily infer *sexual*. Yes, the TM mantras are tantric in origin, but not in a sexual sense. Yes, amd the word tantra does not exclude the sexual,even if its only a small part. So his REAL emphasis has NOT always been on Veda rather than tantra. Why would you presume he only took on SOME partial tantric knowledge and not the WHOLEness of it? If anything MMY goes for the Wholeness. What makes you think that excluding sexual tantra what not keep it whole? You remove the relevant line of practice, wholeness still remains. You have entire lines a practice that do not include sexual practice and that's not a problem. I think your answer lies in 'what types and styles of tantric practice do we see aligned with the Shankaracharya tradition and the Advaita Vedanta tradition.' And aren't there indications that SBS practiced things tantric? Indeed he did. I've received practice in SBS's line of transmission, however none of those practices involved sex. Just because he didn't practice the sexual practices, being a life celibate, that in no way indicates that he did not have knowledge of such, and could not pass them on when appropriate. I have heard he -- being a world teacher taught those of all faiths (including muslims and christians) giving them things that would help them in their paths. EVEN though he did not practice such. Perhaps that was part of the role he acquired as part of his administrative position of Shankaracharya, i.e. to promote Shankara's tradition a la Smarta Brahmanism. I think you should consider that what he really taught was outside this role. Is Sri Vidyha tantric? Yes, highest yoga tantra. Can a student get it (things tantric) via transmission? Well, it depends what you mean by *transmission*. In some lineages you always receive a transmission before you practice, that's your initiation and permission to do the practice. I mean even if you assume SBS did not much explicitly andverbally share his tantric knowledge with MMY, could a disciple, later in an awakened state, receive such knowledge bytransmission or simply placing attention on their master? (I GET stuff by placing attention on saints -- those currently in and out of mortal coil. So I know its a valid means of insight.) It's possible he received transmission of Sri Vidya in this manner, however there is no evidence that I am aware of he did receive such. In fact, there is strong evidence that he was actually
[FairfieldLife] FFL Acronyms
Title: FFL Acronyms I just created a file called FFL Acronyms and put it in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/FFL%20and%20Fairfield%20Community/ So far I have: MMY - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi POV - Point of View SBS - Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Maharishi's master TMO - The Transcendental Meditation organization Suggestions? (not common Internet acronyms such as IMO) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Speed Reading and Implied References
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 11:14 AM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: Can a student get it (things tantric) via transmission? Well, it depends what you mean by *transmission*. In some lineages you always receive a transmission before you practice, that's your initiation and permission to do the practice. I got the impression nmbs was asking whether entire techniques and realizations can be transmitted to the student 'mind to mind,' without the use of words. If that was the question, I'd have to answer that with a big Yes. Yes. That was what nmbs was asking. (I am pleased you received that transmission clearly. :) ) I see that the references made in my words And thus supporting, though in no way proving, the following train of logic and possibilities, if made explicit, would make the intent of the words clearer (though perhaps more clunky.) Fast, skimming or careless readers, even carfeul ones occaisionally, can stumble on implied refereneces. See prior discussion on pronounds -- and the confusion they caused. (Luckily Spraig is not jail. :) ) The implied reference in And thus supporting refers to knowledge that can be transmitted to the student 'mind to mind,' without the use of words. (aka point x) -- a point I had raised, independently, by myself, in a prior post. That Unc interpreted the reference as not being point x, but rather Barry's endorsement of point x, is perhaps understandable, though a bit odd IMO. That Unc supported my independent point x, in no way was meant to imply that such was a defacto support of points 1-9. That anyone would read and assume that I felt Unc was supporting points 1-9 is mindblowing. But I will try to be even more clear and careful in future posts. Feedback is a good thing. Thanks. 1) did SBS practice (real) tantra? Apparently yes. 2) did MMY use or teach some tantric things (regardless of what he called them)? Apparently yes. 3) Could SBS have known and even taught things (possibly including tantric) he did not personally practice? Apparently yes. 4) Could SBS have taught MMY tantric things appropriate for householders (his focus for MMY)? Possibly. 5) Could SBS or other teachers have taught MMY tantric things by (passive or active) transmission? Possibly. 6) Could MMY have learned tantric things via Ritam, mandala, or some other means of inner knowldge? Possibly. 7) Did MMY experiment and test lots of things? Emphatically yes. 8) Could MMY have sought to test some sexual tantric practices that he picked up i) directly from a teacher, or, ii) via transmission, or iii) from other yogis (tat walla babba,etc), or iv) from pundits /scriptures? Possibly. 9) Could MMY have solely sought raw sensual pleasure from his encounters? Possibly. (But doesn't fit his MO,IMO.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL Acronyms
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL Acronyms on 6/5/06 1:01 PM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just created a file called FFL Acronyms and put it in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/FFL%20and%20Fairfield%20Community/ So far I have: MMY - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi POV - Point of View SBS - Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Maharishi's master TMO - The Transcendental Meditation organization TTC TM Teacher Training Course SCI Science of Creative Intelligence To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] No limit Texas Hold'em and siddhis?? : )
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Acronyms
SV - Stpathya Ved home CC, GC, UC --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just created a file called FFL Acronyms and put it in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/FFL%20and%20Fairfield%20Co mmunity/ So far I have: MMY - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi POV - Point of View SBS - Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Maharishi's master TMO - The Transcendental Meditation organization Suggestions? (not common Internet acronyms such as IMO) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/5/06 10:24 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse The muse sayeth: But you have to cut yourself a bit of slack in the end, I think. I certainly wouldn't have lived through any other era. People blame the 1960s for just about everything these days, but it was the decade when all that post-war furtiveness and small-mindedness was finally blown open and opportunity really came knocking. Well said. It was an interesting era to live through. I don't know who here is old enough to remember the 1950s and what it was like growing up in them. We're talking 'duck and cover.' We're talking people brag- ging about the size and quality of the fallout shelters they just built in the back yard. It was not a happy time, no matter how many neocons think it was and want to return us to that mindset. I'm old enough (56) to remember air raid drills in grammar school in which we'd assemble in the hallway and cover our heads with our hands (as if that would protect one from an atomic bomb) and the local lumber company had a fallout shelter for sale, prominently displayed on the main street. We used to play in it. 50's: I remember lining up for polio shots at school, the smell of the toner for mimeograph machines (no copying machines yet), black rotary phones, and a friend whose older sister got pregnant before marriage - scandal. If a father hadnot served in the war, no one ever asked why, it was considered embarrassing. I recall the excitement when sugar free soda first came out. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Condy's solitary life?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 6/5/06 3:31:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, shempmcgurk@ writes: ...pretending all the while that it wasn't about sex. No, it was payback for Richard Nixon and Clarence Thomas. There is truth here as well. Congrats. You may be the first person ever to include Richard Nixon, Clarence Thomas and truth in one thought. (Did it cause a headache?) :) I can see why you say that about Nixon, but why Clarence Thomas? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Condy's solitary life?
In a message dated 6/5/06 10:21:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ...pretending all the while that it "wasn't about sex." No, it was payback for Richard Nixon and Clarence Thomas.There is truth here as well.Congrats. You may be the first person ever to include Richard Nixon, Clarence Thomas and truth in one thought. (Did it cause a headache?) :) Ummm, should it have? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Acronyms
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just created a file called FFL Acronyms and put it in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/FFL%20and% 20Fairfield%20Co mmunity/ So far I have: MMY - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi POV - Point of View SBS - Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Maharishi's master TMO - The Transcendental Meditation organization Suggestions? (not common Internet acronyms such as IMO) TB - True Believer TNB - True Non-Believer To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Kumbaya
I've been reading alot about the Sixties on this forum this morning. Alot of nostagia and Kumbaya-ing about how wonderful it was. I don't think it was so wonderful. First of all -- as I've mentioned before -- all that free love passed me by, so I'm really bitter about that. Maybe I would be predisposed to liking that era if I got laid a bit more (okay, I was 14 years old in 1969 but, still, one expects a little spillover into the '70s!). Secondly, I don't think your generation has ever sat down and come to terms with your Vietnam experience. Was it a good or bad thing to go in there in the first place? Was it a good or bad thing to leave? As many as 4 million human beings died in South East Asia the 2 years following the American pullout and the Communist victory than in the entire 14 years of US involvement...in other words, the evil right wing was proven 100% right. Thirdly, drugs. That was the era when drugs became fashionable. What's so good about that? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vedic Vibration Program
In a message dated 6/5/06 12:33:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone know anything about the Vedic Vibration Program? They are coming to my town soon. Is this for real or only another money making scheme where they chant some mantras silently and then blow on the recipient? Yup, that's it! Now whether you get anything out of it depends on how pure and refined your nervous system is. If you are low life scum , you won't get a thang, if you're highly evolved, you will be healed! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 6/5/06 10:24 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse The muse sayeth: But you have to cut yourself a bit of slack in the end, I think. I certainly wouldn't have lived through any other era. People blame the 1960s for just about everything these days, but it was the decade when all that post-war furtiveness and small-mindedness was finally blown open and opportunity really came knocking. Well said. It was an interesting era to live through. I don't know who here is old enough to remember the 1950s and what it was like growing up in them. We're talking 'duck and cover.' We're talking people brag- ging about the size and quality of the fallout shelters they just built in the back yard. It was not a happy time, no matter how many neocons think it was and want to return us to that mindset. I'm old enough (56) to remember air raid drills in grammar school in which we'd assemble in the hallway and cover our heads with our hands (as if that would protect one from an atomic bomb) and the local lumber company had a fallout shelter for sale, prominently displayed on the main street. We used to play in it. 50's: I remember lining up for polio shots at school, the smell of the toner for mimeograph machines (no copying machines yet), black rotary phones Remember telephone exchanges? My family's number in New York City was MOnument 3-8195. , and a friend whose older sister got pregnant before marriage - scandal. If a father hadnot served in the war, no one ever asked why, it was considered embarrassing. I recall the excitement when sugar free soda first came out. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 1:00 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: What specifically have you heard? I never heard him mention tantra -- that I can recall. A friend I know asked him directly about tantra, so I'm replying based on that response. And what specifically was MMY's response. It had to be more than I am dismissive of that. But I did hear him make cautionary or dismissive comments on Jyotish, ayurveda, etc, and later strongly endorse them. My sense is prior negative statements were to wait until the time is right rather than i) not know anything about them, or ii) beleiving they had no value. Anythings possible. Have you ever met any renunciates in the practice line of the Shankaracharya Order who practiced sexual tantra? I didn't ask them. But why does that directly have anything to do with But I did hear him make cautionary or dismissive comments on Jyotish, ayurveda, etc, and later strongly endorse them. My sense is prior negative statements were to wait until the time is right rather than i) not know anything about them, or ii) beleiving they had no value. I would doubt it. Of course it is possible he was practicing tantra, but IMO, highly improbable. Again, why. Were you that close to him? Sitting around yagya pit under the full mmoon, trading yogi stories? No, I'm just commenting based on what I do know and his line of practice. OK. You find things highly improbable and zero probablility in this case on weak evidence. Yes, amd the word tantra does not exclude the sexual,even if its only a small part. So his REAL emphasis has NOT always been on Veda rather than tantra. Why would you presume he only took on SOME partial tantric knowledge and not the WHOLEness of it? If anything MMY goes for the Wholeness. What makes you think that excluding sexual tantra what not keep it whole? You remove the relevant line of practice, wholeness still remains. That was not my intended meaning. Let me try again to see if this is clearer: Yes, and the word tantra does not exclude the sexual, even if its only a small possible part of it. Given MMY had external teachings that refelcted things tantric, why do you presume he did not also have energetic, including kundalini and sexual, knowledge of tantra? I am not claiming he did, but maybe its sort of a smoking gun. (hahaha, that pun just unfolded.) You have entire lines a practice that do not include sexual practice and that's not a problem . Yes. No argument. I think your answer lies in 'what types and styles of tantric practice do we see aligned with the Shankaracharya tradition and the Advaita Vedanta tradition.' Well while it may not (or may) be part of the Shankaracharian tradition and the Advaita Vedanta traditions (Isn't Brahman which is EVERYTHING part of those traditions :) ), but appartntly explicit tantric couplings in temples and on temple walls indicates that sexual tantric practices are part of Indian religious traditions. And the Shiva lingum, while much more, has no sexual refences or antecedants? And aren't there indications that SBS practiced things tantric? Indeed he did. I've received practice in SBS's line of transmission, however none of those practices involved sex. They postively and absolutley did not include union with the Goddess? And is 1000 Heaeded Purusha related to shankaracharian andavaitian traditions? They have sexual practices. Energol. Shake-up the energy etc. (clarifications from puruasha welcome.) Some celibate sadhus seem to have sexual related rituals. So you are absolutely positive that no practices from advaitain / shankaracharian tradition do not invole sex in any form? Just because he didn't practice the sexual practices, being a life celibate, that in no way indicates that he did not have knowledge of such, and could not pass them on when appropriate. I have heard he -- being a world teacher taught those of all faiths (including muslims and christians) giving them things that would help them in their paths. EVEN though he did not practice such. Perhaps that was part of the role he acquired as part of his administrative position of Shankaracharya, i.e. to promote Shankara's tradition a la Smarta Brahmanism. I think you should consider that what he really taught was outside this role. I happily consider that. To my feeble mind however, that does not prove that SBS in inner teachings, or Shank or Advaian traditions have no practices that have anything to do with sex, such as union with the goddess. All of which swerves widely from the main point: Could MMy have some knowledge of sexually related tantric practices by one of many means? And if yes, is it possible, even consistent with his MO, to experiment and test such? I mean even if you assume SBS did not much explicitly andverbally share his tantric
[FairfieldLife] Re: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 6/5/06 10:24 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse The muse sayeth: But you have to cut yourself a bit of slack in the end, I think. I certainly wouldn't have lived through any other era. People blame the 1960s for just about everything these days, but it was the decade when all that post-war furtiveness and small-mindedness was finally blown open and opportunity really came knocking. Well said. It was an interesting era to live through. I don't know who here is old enough to remember the 1950s and what it was like growing up in them. We're talking 'duck and cover.' We're talking people brag- ging about the size and quality of the fallout shelters they just built in the back yard. It was not a happy time, no matter how many neocons think it was and want to return us to that mindset. I'm old enough (56) to remember air raid drills in grammar school in which we'd assemble in the hallway and cover our heads with our hands (as if that would protect one from an atomic bomb) and the local lumber company had a fallout shelter for sale, prominently displayed on the main street. We used to play in it. I'm about eight years older than you, and I don't remember much of any drill-type stuff (but I went to a private progressive school, Boy, does that explain alot. Did you sing Pete Seeger songs? whose administrators may have had more sense than to inflict that idiocy on the students). But I do remember the air-raid shelter signs on just about every building (this was in NYC). Some of them, oddly enough, are still there, yellow circles with black arrows, I think, pointing to the basement. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: No limit Texas Hold'em and siddhis?? : )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Hansen Gus Hansen: my favourite player! No one like him! He totally goes against the grain -- bets when he should fold; folds when he should bet! Amazing! But why suggest sidhis? I don't get the connection... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I missed the Cuban missile crisis. It happened when I was in college, and I was so involved in extra- curricular activities (primarily theater) that I wasn't aware of it at all when it was going on. It wasn't until some years later that I found out what had happened. That still amazes me. I remember the Cuban missle crisis - I was in about 6th grade. I was terrified and remember leaving for school one morning and wondering if we would all be blown up before the day was over. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vibration Program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know anything about the Vedic Vibration Program? They are coming to my town soon. Is this for real or only another money making scheme where they chant some mantras silently and then blow on the recipient? They do the chanting and blowing, and as I recall, they give you some water that has had the same chanting, blowing to drink for a few days. A few people report really great relief, some report moderate relief, and many not much. Most people feel a bit high after the treatments, but lasting results are not guaranteed. IF you have the money and an intractable problem, you will probably try it. How much does it cost these days? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you sing Pete Seeger songs? No comment. But the Boss does: http://tinyurl.com/lofqo To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vibration Program
In a message dated 6/5/06 1:55:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They do the chanting and blowing, and as I recall, they give you some water that has had the same chanting, blowing to drink for a few days. A few people report really great relief, some report moderate relief, and many not much. Most people feel a bit high after the treatments, but lasting results are not guaranteed. IF you have the money and an intractable problem, you will probably try it. How much does it cost these days? Arm and a leg To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 11:41 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:10 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I always felt that a Western description of the essence of tantra can be found in the Odyssey. Odysseus is sailing past the island of the sirens, of whom he has been warned. Sailors who hear their song become so captured by it that they drive their ships onto the rocks in pursuit of it and drown. So he has his crew stuff their ears with wax so that they can sail safely past, while he leaves his ears open and has himself tied to the mast so that he can hear it and exper- ience their song for himself. Whatever the particular practices of a particular formalized tradition of Tantra, its essence IMO has to do with exploring the polarities between energies, and learning how to manipulate those energies, for one's own good and that of others. Sex is just one tiny subset of polarized energies, having no more importance than any other. The most remarkable western equivalents I have seen are in western alchemical texts and Kabbalistic texts which contain some sexual practices. Interesting that Middle Eastern and Indo-European practices are referred to as Western. Not really. The texts I am referring to come from western Europe: England and Spain. What's more interesting to me is that these texts don't appear in the west until *after* the Islamic invasions of India... Which was my point. Spain had a Moorish influence. Kaballah comes from whereever it comes from, but likely not Christianity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL Acronyms
In a message dated 6/5/06 1:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So far I have:MMY - Maharishi Mahesh YogiPOV - Point of ViewSBS - Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Maharishi's masterTMO - The Transcendental Meditation organizationTTC – TM Teacher Training CourseSCI – Science of Creative Intelligence BN- Bliss Ninny or Bliss Nazi To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I missed the Cuban missile crisis. It happened when I was in college, and I was so involved in extra- curricular activities (primarily theater) that I wasn't aware of it at all when it was going on. It wasn't until some years later that I found out what had happened. That still amazes me. I remember the Cuban missle crisis - I was in about 6th grade. I was terrified and remember leaving for school one morning and wondering if we would all be blown up before the day was over. I was about 6 years old and this was in Montreal, Canada and our whole family gathered around the radio to listen to emergency procedures we would have to do in case something happened. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Kumbaya
In a message dated 6/5/06 1:47:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thirdly, drugs. That was the era when drugs became fashionable. What's so good about that? Actually it was kind of fun! Pot, Peyote,Mushrooms and LSD. I don't regret having fun with them for about a year during the psychedelic years, but I'm glad I moved on when I did. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] The word *tantra* does not necessarily infer *sexual*. Yes, the TM mantras are tantric in origin, but not in a sexual sense. Why do you say they are tantric in origin? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vibration Program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know anything about the Vedic Vibration Program? They are coming to my town soon. Is this for real or only another money making scheme where they chant some mantras silently and then blow on the recipient? I have no idea if this stuff works, but many hear believe equally implausible (to my mind) things, so why the specific questioning of a specific thing? Surely you don't think that the judgement of people here is any better than any other group's, do you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Kumbaya
On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:45 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:Thirdly, drugs. That was the era when drugs became fashionable. What's so good about that?We found out we were being lied to? :"NO ASSOCIATION AT ALL...EVEN A SUGGESTION OF SOME PROTECTIVE EFFECT" BETWEEN HEAVY SMOKING OF MARIJUANA AND CANCER...Washington Post | Marc Kaufman | Posted May 26, 2006 08:14 AMAP/CP, Richard LamThe largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer. The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years."We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vibration Program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 bmorry2000@ wrote: Does anyone know anything about the Vedic Vibration Program? They are coming to my town soon. Is this for real or only another money making scheme where they chant some mantras silently and then blow on the recipient? They do the chanting and blowing, and as I recall, they give you some water that has had the same chanting, blowing to drink for a few days. A few people report really great relief, some report moderate relief, and many not much. Most people feel a bit high after the treatments, but lasting results are not guaranteed. IF you have the money and an intractable problem, you will probably try it. How much does it cost these days? I had pleasant experiences from it but zero results for the specific problem. Like you say above, if I had the money I'd do it again. What disturbed me about the VV was that the one of the times the pundits came to town to do it I went to the orientation and the pundit was explaining what he does and at one point he said: It's not me doing anything; I work through Guru Dev. Well, when I heard that I said to myself: change out the name Guru Dev and Jesus and what we've got here is fundamentalist Christianity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
new_morning_blank_slate wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So what is yours (and Bhairitu's) take on MMY and other teachers reported sexual encounters, with regards to tantra? Do you feel there was some reasonable probability, or not, that there was some tantric practice type use of sexual energy involved? First off many westerners seem to know only of the renunciate yogi paths. Few know anything about tantra which is more often than not a householder path. It is the tantrik path that allows you to truly enjoy 200% of life. As my guru likes to say there are no rules. A tantrik can be married and have children (my guru and his guru for examples). Vimlananda whom Svoboda wrote about was an aghori who was a householder, even known for drinking and bred race horses. Tantriks can have many professions and very few just practice tantra for a means of income. One friend who writes articles frequently on yogis and tantriks calls renunciates who become involved in sexual relations fallen gurus and feels they have just fallen off the path or found themselves unable to keep on it (maybe even bored with it). It's quite a decision to truly take on a renunciate path. Besides I don't see any need for it. I've also considered that some of these teachers maybe just came to a point in their mind of deciding why entertain boundaries when in the boundless? This would be incomprehensible to their followers but completely make sense to another enlightened being. Some rules are also made for entry level sadhus to practice for a while only. In the west if you tell a non-Indian you're a tantrik they may snicker or giggle and think you are engaged in some swingers club. But let me relate what happened once at an Indian grocery where I was purchasing some puja items. The father of the owner who was visiting from India asked me what I was buying the puja items for. He asked me if I was involved in some meditation program like Sivanandas. I told him I am a tantrik. His eyes widen and he had a great laugh and then asked me do you have women following you down the street all the time? If a westerner had been standing there they might of thought he was referring to the sexual aspect of tantra but he wasn't. He was referring to the practice of a tantrik siddhi called Vashikaran. Some tantriks use this siddhis to gain influence over others particularly women (or women tantriks over men). It can also be used to have peaceful relations with everyone you come into personal contact with. And of course is useful for building big spiritual organizations. ;-) Indians fear tantriks because they believe they practice black magic and some tantriks do. However the majority practice the alleviation of black magic curses. And because Indians fear tantriks the majority of those residing in the west particularly the US will advertise themselves as astrologers in the Indian magazines and newspapers. Of course keep in mind that a fair number of those advertising are charlatans and come from no path or tradition. I believe the idea that tantra had something to do with sex and particularly being in control of ones sexual abilities (and yes tantriks call it control not expansion) has to do with a very, very advanced technique that is required for one to be recognized as a tantrik acharya. Tantrik gurus prefer that you perform this with your wife. And there are substitutions for those luckless enough to not have marriage in the karma. My belief is that an exaggeration on this practice is why westerners believe tantra is about sex. It plays a very small part though it is part of the 5 M's. Most shishyas probably don't even get to that stage because it takes at least 12 years to get to that point if not longer. In another reply you asked if someone found out that a tantrik like myself was have sexual relations with someone I would say it would be no different from anyone else having sexual relations. Myself, I don't believe in a lot of the conventions of society that have been passed down by various religious traditions. Many of these conventions I believe were instituted by priests at the behest of kings who were interested in keeping the population down as free love had disastrous results in times of famine. Kings found that having their priests impose rules was far safer than imposing rules themselves. :) All things in moderation is probably a more reasonable rule. Also note I am commenting from the standpoint of my tradition which is based on the Kali Sadhaka Garanth and very much a Bengali village type tantra. There are many tantrik traditions in India so you can find variations on the practice but most all of them do not involve sex as the principle part of their practice. That's my two cents and I hope it helps. - Bhairitu To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Did you sing Pete Seeger songs? No comment. But the Boss does: http://tinyurl.com/lofqo I know...I read about Seeger in the New Yorker which did a piece on him about a month ago, really praising him to the hilt and, of course, reinventing his sordid past. At one point in the article, Seeger is quoted as saying that just prior to World War II he was trying to stop Hitler. Well, the opposite was true: During the days of the Soviet-Nazi Pact, Seeger's folk-singing group The Almanac Singers cut an album called Meet John Doe. Its theme: condemn F.D.R. as a fascist for seeking to wage imperialist war against Hitler. So Seeger wasn't trying to stop Hitler; he was doing everything he could to ensure that Hitler continued in power. What a scumbag...not only for supporting Hitler but for now lying about it. http://tinyurl.com/g55so To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vibration Program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/5/06 1:55:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They do the chanting and blowing, and as I recall, they give you some water that has had the same chanting, blowing to drink for a few days. A few people report really great relief, some report moderate relief, and many not much. Most people feel a bit high after the treatments, but lasting results are not guaranteed. IF you have the money and an intractable problem, you will probably try it. How much does it cost these days? Arm and a leg You may lose an arm and a leg, but the make the remaining arm and leg feel really, really good! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 6/5/06 10:24 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse The muse sayeth: But you have to cut yourself a bit of slack in the end, I think. I certainly wouldn't have lived through any other era. People blame the 1960s for just about everything these days, but it was the decade when all that post-war furtiveness and small-mindedness was finally blown open and opportunity really came knocking. Well said. It was an interesting era to live through. I don't know who here is old enough to remember the 1950s and what it was like growing up in them. We're talking 'duck and cover.' We're talking people brag- ging about the size and quality of the fallout shelters they just built in the back yard. It was not a happy time, no matter how many neocons think it was and want to return us to that mindset. I'm old enough (56) to remember air raid drills in grammar school in which we'd assemble in the hallway and cover our heads with our hands (as if that would protect one from an atomic bomb) and the local lumber company had a fallout shelter for sale, prominently displayed on the main street. We used to play in it. I'm about eight years older than you, and I don't remember much of any drill-type stuff (but I went to a private progressive school, Boy, does that explain alot. Actually not. Progressive didn't refer to political bent but to the educational philosophy of John Dewey. It was a terrific school educationally. I could have skipped the two years I had to go to a public school--eighth grade and twelfth grade--because I was so far ahead. The school was no more progressive politically than most of New York City, which is actually pretty progressive. Did you sing Pete Seeger songs? Sure. Pete Seeger came to sing at the school too. And they let classes out early the afternoon of the final game in the Yankees-Dodgers subway series in, what, 1958?--and set up a big TV in the auditorium so we could all watch. The principal of the school took over running the elevator so the Brooklyn-born regular elevator operator could go watch too. But what really explains a lot is that both my parents were card-carrying liberals. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I missed the Cuban missile crisis. It happened when I was in college, and I was so involved in extra- curricular activities (primarily theater) that I wasn't aware of it at all when it was going on. It wasn't until some years later that I found out what had happened. That still amazes me. I remember the Cuban missle crisis - I was in about 6th grade. I was terrified and remember leaving for school one morning and wondering if we would all be blown up before the day was over. In retrospect, I'm *glad* I missed it. I would have been terrified too. I guess everybody who was tuned into it was terrified. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:46 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 1:00 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: What specifically have you heard? I never heard him mention tantra -- that I can recall. A friend I know asked him directly about tantra, so I'm replying based on that response. And what specifically was MMY's response. It had to be more than I am dismissive of that. It was not very approving. But I did hear him make cautionary or dismissive comments on Jyotish, ayurveda, etc, and later strongly endorse them. My sense is prior negative statements were to wait until the time is right rather than i) not know anything about them, or ii) beleiving they had no value. Anythings possible. Have you ever met any renunciates in the practice line of the Shankaracharya Order who practiced sexual tantra? I didn't ask them. But why does that directly have anything to do with But I did hear him make cautionary or dismissive comments on Jyotish, ayurveda, etc, and later strongly endorse them. My sense is prior negative statements were to wait until the time is right rather than i) not know anything about them, or ii) beleiving they had no value. To show how improbable it would be to see 'this tantric sexual knowledge brought out'. Jyotish, Ayurveda, etc. has been taught side- by-side with the tradition he comes from for a long, long time. Sexual tantra has not. Therefore it's unreasoable to expect that to happen--esp. from someone who claims to be a monk. I would doubt it. Of course it is possible he was practicing tantra, but IMO, highly improbable. Again, why. Were you that close to him? Sitting around yagya pit under the full mmoon, trading yogi stories? No, I'm just commenting based on what I do know and his line of practice. OK. You find things highly improbable and zero probablility in this case on weak evidence. I see no evidence that M. ever practiced sexual aspects of tantra! Yes, amd the word tantra does not exclude the sexual,even if its only a small part. So his REAL emphasis has NOT always been on Veda rather than tantra. Why would you presume he only took on SOME partial tantric knowledge and not the WHOLEness of it? If anything MMY goes for the Wholeness. What makes you think that excluding sexual tantra what not keep it whole? You remove the relevant line of practice, wholeness still remains. That was not my intended meaning. Let me try again to see if this is clearer: Yes, and the word tantra does not exclude the sexual, even if its only a small possible part of it. Given MMY had external teachings that refelcted things tantric, why do you presume he did not also have energetic, including kundalini and sexual, knowledge of tantra? I am not claiming he did, but maybe its sort of a smoking gun. (hahaha, that pun just unfolded.) Because the style of tantra which would contain those teachings would be ones we would be very unlikely to have an interest in based on his what his other spiritual interests seem to be. I think you have to understand that the practices we're talking about contain *transgressive practices*, in other words they are going to have practices built into them which would be considered a violation of natural law. One of the reasons there there is to blow away your conceptions--another is to keep certain people out. You have entire lines a practice that do not include sexual practice and that's not a problem . Yes. No argument. I think your answer lies in 'what types and styles of tantric practice do we see aligned with the Shankaracharya tradition and the Advaita Vedanta tradition.' Well while it may not (or may) be part of the Shankaracharian tradition and the Advaita Vedanta traditions (Isn't Brahman which is EVERYTHING part of those traditions :) ) Brahman in tantra? Find me a quote if you think it is. , but appartntly explicit tantric couplings in temples and on temple walls indicates that sexual tantric practices are part of Indian religious traditions. Certain styles and lines of tantra. And the Shiva lingum, while much more, has no sexual refences or antecedants? It's pre-Vedic. But it also has different meanings at different levels, e.g. the koshas for an Advaitin. And aren't there indications that SBS practiced things tantric? Indeed he did. I've received practice in SBS's line of transmission, however none of those practices involved sex. They postively and absolutley did not include union with the Goddess? Not in the teaching I received. And is 1000 Heaeded Purusha related to shankaracharian andavaitian traditions? Rig Veda, a famous quote I thought. They have sexual practices. Energol. Shake-up the energy etc. (clarifications from puruasha welcome.) Presumably to keep ojas from
[FairfieldLife] Re: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 6/5/06 10:24 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse The muse sayeth: But you have to cut yourself a bit of slack in the end, I think. I certainly wouldn't have lived through any other era. People blame the 1960s for just about everything these days, but it was the decade when all that post-war furtiveness and small-mindedness was finally blown open and opportunity really came knocking. Well said. It was an interesting era to live through. I don't know who here is old enough to remember the 1950s and what it was like growing up in them. We're talking 'duck and cover.' We're talking people brag- ging about the size and quality of the fallout shelters they just built in the back yard. It was not a happy time, no matter how many neocons think it was and want to return us to that mindset. I'm old enough (56) to remember air raid drills in grammar school in which we'd assemble in the hallway and cover our heads with our hands (as if that would protect one from an atomic bomb) and the local lumber company had a fallout shelter for sale, prominently displayed on the main street. We used to play in it. I'm about eight years older than you, and I don't remember much of any drill-type stuff (but I went to a private progressive school, Boy, does that explain alot. Actually not. Progressive didn't refer to political bent but to the educational philosophy of John Dewey. It was a terrific school educationally. I could have skipped the two years I had to go to a public school--eighth grade and twelfth grade--because I was so far ahead. The school was no more progressive politically than most of New York City, which is actually pretty progressive. Did you sing Pete Seeger songs? Sure. Pete Seeger came to sing at the school too. And they let classes out early the afternoon of the final game in the Yankees-Dodgers subway series in, what, 1958?--and set up a big TV in the auditorium so we could all watch. The principal of the school took over running the elevator so the Brooklyn-born regular elevator operator could go watch too. But what really explains a lot is that both my parents were card-carrying liberals. I agree. And you haven't had an independent thought for yourself since. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vibration Program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may lose an arm and a leg, but the make the remaining arm and leg feel really, really good! Which seemed to be you strategy in saying you would give an arm and two legs to have sex with that blonde school teacher in the news several months ago. Keeping the 5th limb happy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:45 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Thirdly, drugs. That was the era when drugs became fashionable. What's so good about that? We found out we were being lied to? : NO ASSOCIATION AT ALL...EVEN A SUGGESTION OF SOME PROTECTIVE EFFECT BETWEEN HEAVY SMOKING OF MARIJUANA AND CANCER... Washington Post | Marc Kaufman | Posted May 26, 2006 08:14 AM  AP/CP, Richard Lam The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer. The new findings were against our expectations, said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years. We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use, he said. What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect. OK, I'll see your pot article and raise you one (to be posted later). Pot hardly first became fashionable, or was seen as a spiritual substance, in the 60's --- Cannabis has a long history of spiritual use, especially in India, where it has been used by wandering spiritual sadhus for centuries. The most famous religious group in the West to use cannabis in a spiritual context are the Rastafari movement, though they are by no means the only group. Some historians and etymologists have claimed that cannabis was used by ancient Jews, early Christians and Muslims of the Sufi order. * 1 Rastafari use * 2 Judeo-Christian use * 3 Muslim use * 4 Hindu use * 5 Sikh use * 6 Others * 7 See also * 8 References * 9 External links Rastafari use It is not known when Rastafari first made cannabis into something sacred, though it is clear that by the late 1940s Rastafari was associated with cannabis smoking at the Pinnacle community of Leonard Howell. Rastafari claim to know that cannabis is the Tree of Life mentioned in the Bible. Bob Marley, amongst many others, said, the herb [ganja is the healing of the nations. The use of cannabis, and particularly of large pipes called chalices, is an integral part of what Rastafari call Reasoning sessions. (The flaming chalice is also the symbol of Unitarian Universalism.) They see cannabis as having the capacity to allow the user to penetrate the truth of how things are much more clearly, as if the wool had been pulled from one's eyes. Thus the Rastafari come together to smoke cannabis in order to discuss the truth with each other, reasoning it all out little by little through many sessions. In this way Rastafari believe that cannabis brings the user closer to Jah. [edit] Judeo-Christian use The holy anointing oil mentioned in various sacred Hebrew texts contained, among other ingredients, an herb known as kaneh-bosm (fragrant cane). Historically interpreted to mean calamus, there is some evidence that the correct interpretation of 'fragrant cane' may in fact be cannabis. The word kaneh-bosm (the singular form of which would be kaneh-bos[1]) appears several times in the Old Testament as a bartering material, incense, and an ingredient in holy anointing oil used by the high priest of the temple.[2] The word also appears in Isaiah, [3] Jeremiah, [4] Ezekiel[5] and Song of Solomon.[6] Polish anthropologist Sula Benet published etymological evidence that suggested a word believed to be the Aramaic word for hemp can be read as kannabos and appears to be a cognate to the modern word 'cannabis', [7] with the root kan meaning reed or hemp and bosm meaning fragrant. Other published evidence suggests that cannabis may have been used as a topical psychoactive substance in this time period. As anointment is the application of topical fragrant, emollient, or medicinal ointment for ritual or therapeutic purposes, it is possible that cannabis may have been an ingredient in holy anointing oil, producing spiritual experiences due to the psychoactive properties of the ingredients.[8] Rabbinical scholars appear to be divided on the question of what kaneh-bosm means. Exodus[9] lists kinamon-bosm (qnmn-bsm) and kaneh-bosm (qnh-bsm) separately as ingredients of the holy anointing oil used by temple priests, romanized as v'th qx-lk bsmym r's mr-drvr xms m'vt vqnmn-bsm mxytv xmsym vm'tym vqnh-bsm xmsym vm'tym.[10] Rabbi Diana Villa confirms that 'Kinamon' or 'kinman bosem' is definitely cinnamon but disputes that kaneh-bosm is cannabis, offering a number of other possible interpretations from other published sources.[11] Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan's annotated Torah translation entitled The Living Torah includes cannabis among several other possible interpretations of kaneh-bosm [12]. In Israel some synagogues engage in the smoking of cannabis before the holy sabbath to explore a higher spiritual learning. Elders of the Ethiopian Zion Coptic
[FairfieldLife] Re: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 6/5/06 10:24 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse The muse sayeth: But you have to cut yourself a bit of slack in the end, I think. I certainly wouldn't have lived through any other era. People blame the 1960s for just about everything these days, but it was the decade when all that post-war furtiveness and small-mindedness was finally blown open and opportunity really came knocking. Well said. It was an interesting era to live through. I don't know who here is old enough to remember the 1950s and what it was like growing up in them. We're talking 'duck and cover.' We're talking people brag- ging about the size and quality of the fallout shelters they just built in the back yard. It was not a happy time, no matter how many neocons think it was and want to return us to that mindset. I'm old enough (56) to remember air raid drills in grammar school in which we'd assemble in the hallway and cover our heads with our hands (as if that would protect one from an atomic bomb) and the local lumber company had a fallout shelter for sale, prominently displayed on the main street. We used to play in it. I'm about eight years older than you, and I don't remember much of any drill-type stuff (but I went to a private progressive school, Boy, does that explain alot. Actually not. Progressive didn't refer to political bent but to the educational philosophy of John Dewey. It was a terrific school educationally. I could have skipped the two years I had to go to a public school--eighth grade and twelfth grade--because I was so far ahead. The school was no more progressive politically than most of New York City, which is actually pretty progressive. Did you sing Pete Seeger songs? Sure. Pete Seeger came to sing at the school too. And they let classes out early the afternoon of the final game in the Yankees-Dodgers subway series in, what, 1958?--and set up a big TV in the auditorium so we could all watch. The principal of the school took over running the elevator so the Brooklyn-born regular elevator operator could go watch too. But what really explains a lot is that both my parents were card-carrying liberals. I agree. And you haven't had an independent thought for yourself since. Since what? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Did you sing Pete Seeger songs? No comment. But the Boss does: http://tinyurl.com/lofqo I know...I read about Seeger in the New Yorker which did a piece on him about a month ago, really praising him to the hilt and, of course, reinventing his sordid past. At one point in the article, Seeger is quoted as saying that just prior to World War II he was trying to stop Hitler. Well, the opposite was true: During the days of the Soviet-Nazi Pact, Seeger's folk-singing group The Almanac Singers cut an album called Meet John Doe. Its theme: condemn F.D.R. as a fascist for seeking to wage imperialist war against Hitler. So Seeger wasn't trying to stop Hitler; he was doing everything he could to ensure that Hitler continued in power. What a scumbag...not only for supporting Hitler but for now lying about it. http://tinyurl.com/g55so If the following sounds a little familiar to you, Shemp, it's because we already had this same discussion over on alt.m.t when you made this claim about Seeger. This is a repost of what I posted then, just to remind you that we know who is lying about what. And here's an *accurate* description of what happened, from Woody Guthrie's Life (note that the Almanac Singers mentioned below was Pete Seeger's group): Woody's politics took a turn as the United States came into the Second World War. Early in the war, communist-sympathizing singers were confused about what stance they should take on the war. They wrote anti-war songs, citing the typical rich man's war, poor man's fight nature of international conflict, and since Stalin and Hitler had signed a non-aggression pact, they felt it wrong to support a fight against Hitler. Yet the far Left obviously found no consonance with Nazi ideals, and they passionately despised Hitler's ways. So for a time, Woody, the Almanac Singers, and similar performers were torn on what their opinon of the war should be. When Hitler broke his agreement with Stalin, though, the American Left could freely and adamantly support the war. After all, Americans and Soviets were fighting side by side against a common enemy, and a thoroughly despicable enemy at that. Since the US was fighting fascism, Woody and the Almanac Singers wrote dozens of songs about defeating fascism and Hitler. And since any kind of strike would cripple the war effort, all the old union songs were put on the shelf for awhile. Eventually though, Pete Seeger joined the army, and that left the Almanac singers up in the air. http://www.dhh-ev.de/alt/woody.html The copies of the anitwar (not pro-Hitler or pro-Nazi) album the Almanac Singers had made were withdrawn and destroyed the day after Hitler invaded, and the group proceeded to make a new album calling on the United States to get into the war against Hitler. And Pete Seeger, as noted above, joined the Army to fight Hitler. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
Vaj and new_morning_blank_slate (and MDixon for that matter): Fall all over yourselves in your apparent rush to defend drug use, even something as seemingly innoculous as marijuana. You'll make yourselves look foolish all by yourselves without any help from me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:45 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Thirdly, drugs. That was the era when drugs became fashionable. What's so good about that? We found out we were being lied to? : NO ASSOCIATION AT ALL...EVEN A SUGGESTION OF SOME PROTECTIVE EFFECT BETWEEN HEAVY SMOKING OF MARIJUANA AND CANCER... Washington Post | Marc Kaufman | Posted May 26, 2006 08:14 AM  AP/CP, Richard Lam The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer. The new findings were against our expectations, said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years. We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use, he said. What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect. OK, I'll see your pot article and raise you one (to be posted later). Pot hardly first became fashionable, or was seen as a spiritual substance, in the 60's --- Cannabis has a long history of spiritual use, especially in India, where it has been used by wandering spiritual sadhus for centuries. The most famous religious group in the West to use cannabis in a spiritual context are the Rastafari movement, though they are by no means the only group. Some historians and etymologists have claimed that cannabis was used by ancient Jews, early Christians and Muslims of the Sufi order. * 1 Rastafari use * 2 Judeo-Christian use * 3 Muslim use * 4 Hindu use * 5 Sikh use * 6 Others * 7 See also * 8 References * 9 External links Rastafari use It is not known when Rastafari first made cannabis into something sacred, though it is clear that by the late 1940s Rastafari was associated with cannabis smoking at the Pinnacle community of Leonard Howell. Rastafari claim to know that cannabis is the Tree of Life mentioned in the Bible. Bob Marley, amongst many others, said, the herb [ganja is the healing of the nations. The use of cannabis, and particularly of large pipes called chalices, is an integral part of what Rastafari call Reasoning sessions. (The flaming chalice is also the symbol of Unitarian Universalism.) They see cannabis as having the capacity to allow the user to penetrate the truth of how things are much more clearly, as if the wool had been pulled from one's eyes. Thus the Rastafari come together to smoke cannabis in order to discuss the truth with each other, reasoning it all out little by little through many sessions. In this way Rastafari believe that cannabis brings the user closer to Jah. [edit] Judeo-Christian use The holy anointing oil mentioned in various sacred Hebrew texts contained, among other ingredients, an herb known as kaneh-bosm (fragrant cane). Historically interpreted to mean calamus, there is some evidence that the correct interpretation of 'fragrant cane' may in fact be cannabis. The word kaneh-bosm (the singular form of which would be kaneh-bos [1]) appears several times in the Old Testament as a bartering material, incense, and an ingredient in holy anointing oil used by the high priest of the temple.[2] The word also appears in Isaiah, [3] Jeremiah, [4] Ezekiel[5] and Song of Solomon.[6] Polish anthropologist Sula Benet published etymological evidence that suggested a word believed to be the Aramaic word for hemp can be read as kannabos and appears to be a cognate to the modern word 'cannabis', [7] with the root kan meaning reed or hemp and bosm meaning fragrant. Other published evidence suggests that cannabis may have been used as a topical psychoactive substance in this time period. As anointment is the application of topical fragrant, emollient, or medicinal ointment for ritual or therapeutic purposes, it is possible that cannabis may have been an ingredient in holy anointing oil, producing spiritual experiences due to the psychoactive properties of the ingredients. [8] Rabbinical scholars appear to be divided on the question of what kaneh-bosm means. Exodus[9] lists kinamon-bosm (qnmn-bsm) and kaneh-bosm (qnh-bsm) separately as ingredients of the holy anointing oil used by temple priests, romanized as v'th qx-lk bsmym r's mr- drvr xms m'vt vqnmn-bsm mxytv xmsym vm'tym vqnh-bsm xmsym vm'tym.[10] Rabbi Diana Villa confirms that 'Kinamon' or 'kinman
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:55 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] The word *tantra* does not necessarily infer *sexual*. Yes, the TM mantras are tantric in origin, but not in a sexual sense. Why do you say they are tantric in origin? Because they all occur in tantras and aren't found at all in the Vedas. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:46 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: I happily consider that. To my feeble mind however, that does not prove that SBS in inner teachings, or Shank or Advaian traditions have no practices that have anything to do with sex, such as union with the goddess. Well that depends how you define union with the goddess. All of which swerves widely from the main point: Could MMy have some knowledge of sexually related tantric practices by one of many means? Of course you know it's likely he could, esp. if he really is a yogi, since one of the main texts on yoga contains rather explicit instructions... There's just absolutely no evidence he practices these. And if yes, is it possible, even consistent with his MO, to experiment and test such? I mean even if you assume SBS did not much explicitly andverbally share his tantric knowledge with MMY, could a disciple, later in an awakened state, receive such knowledge bytransmission or simply placing attention on their master? (I GET stuff by placing attention on saints -- those currently in and out of mortal coil. So I know its a valid means of insight.) It's possible he received transmission of Sri Vidya in this manner, however there is no evidence that I am aware of he did receive such. Agreed. So its possible. Not established either way. Well he does have one revelation he has claimed to have received, the uncreated commentary of the Rig Veda, but to my knowledge no one has ever seen it. In fact, there is strong evidence that he was actually quite ignorant of many details and was actually coached by both western scholars and eastern pundits. While I am aware of your evidence I believe, I would not characerize it as strong evidence of ignorance. Most teachers bring in pundits or scholars to eloborate on things, don't they. Are you implying all teachers should be both i) totally omnicient and ii) able to clearly communicate such omnicance? If not, the use of outside scholars seems reasonable. If not prudent. In this case it was him actually being coached. He also has brought people in to teach him things. There is also evidence that things he claimed to have had revelations on were items he was coached on the night before. Primarily one persons accounts (and while his observations may be valid, you have to admit, is a bit charged up and ranting), which I have read too. I never heard M to proclaim revelations. Are you getting mixed up with Biblical saints? :) When did you specifically, in person, hear him say, I have a revelation! And If he did, does that preclude having a revelation induced by what some pundit said? In other words they were phony revelations. My what greap leaps of logic. Indeed some of the more prominent revelations of MMY are straight out of various commentaries. And you expected him to teach something outside of the Holy Tradition? In other words, if he did claim to have received such revelation, I (personally), would take it with a very large grain of salt. Ok. And if he didn't claim such. But simply shared some insights he got from listening to scripture,and discussing such from pundits. Unfortunately it didn't come out that way to the disciples. I think he did get insights from listening to pundits, but it ended up coming out as the Great rishi hath spoken this revealed material. In any event, I'd need to see more evidence of these alleged Maheshian revelations before I'd believe a word. INmy personal observation, M never claimed to be a Rig Veda scholar. THATS why in the early 7o's he invited Pundit Devarat -- the most respected Rig Veda pundit at thattime, to join him. To chant and discuss things in RV everyday. I personally saw M give great respect, honor and reverence to Deverat everyday. Same with SamaVed Pundits. What pundits did you personally see him rob stuff from. Now you're saying I said he robbed stuff from pundits? sigh Nevermind. In short, I see no evidence to support your Maharishi-as-tantric adept enlightening his female students thru sex from the spontaneous transmission he received from SBS once-upon-a-time. Certainly not an Occam's razor kinda idea. Perhaps Rick could pass on this idea to some of the women he had tantric sex with and you could get their response? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 6/5/06 10:24 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse The muse sayeth: But you have to cut yourself a bit of slack in the end, I think. I certainly wouldn't have lived through any other era. People blame the 1960s for just about everything these days, but it was the decade when all that post-war furtiveness and small-mindedness was finally blown open and opportunity really came knocking. Well said. It was an interesting era to live through. I don't know who here is old enough to remember the 1950s and what it was like growing up in them. We're talking 'duck and cover.' We're talking people brag- ging about the size and quality of the fallout shelters they just built in the back yard. It was not a happy time, no matter how many neocons think it was and want to return us to that mindset. I'm old enough (56) to remember air raid drills in grammar school in which we'd assemble in the hallway and cover our heads with our hands (as if that would protect one from an atomic bomb) and the local lumber company had a fallout shelter for sale, prominently displayed on the main street. We used to play in it. I'm about eight years older than you, and I don't remember much of any drill-type stuff (but I went to a private progressive school, Boy, does that explain alot. Actually not. Progressive didn't refer to political bent but to the educational philosophy of John Dewey. It was a terrific school educationally. I could have skipped the two years I had to go to a public school--eighth grade and twelfth grade--because I was so far ahead. The school was no more progressive politically than most of New York City, which is actually pretty progressive. Did you sing Pete Seeger songs? Sure. Pete Seeger came to sing at the school too. And they let classes out early the afternoon of the final game in the Yankees-Dodgers subway series in, what, 1958?--and set up a big TV in the auditorium so we could all watch. The principal of the school took over running the elevator so the Brooklyn-born regular elevator operator could go watch too. But what really explains a lot is that both my parents were card-carrying liberals. I agree. And you haven't had an independent thought for yourself since. Since what? Gestation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Well he does have one revelation he has claimed to have received, the uncreated commentary of the Rig Veda, but to my knowledge no one has ever seen it. LOL!!! Omigod, that's *hilarious*. You did mean that as a joke, right, Vaj? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vibration Program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: You may lose an arm and a leg, but the make the remaining arm and leg feel really, really good! Which seemed to be you strategy in saying you would give an arm and two legs to have sex with that blonde school teacher in the news several months ago. Keeping the 5th limb happy. I gotta tell you: I don't know WHAT the fuss was all about there. The kid should have been given a medal for getting to have sex with her and the teacher deserves the thanks and praise from each and every male in the US that had to sit through classes given by babes like that. There should be a double standard when it comes to teachers having sex with students: Male teacher, female student: bad. Female teachers, male student: good. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:46 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 1:00 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: What specifically have you heard? I never heard him mention tantra -- that I can recall. A friend I know asked him directly about tantra, so I'm replying based on that response. And what specifically was MMY's response. It had to be more than I am dismissive of that. It was not very approving. Not approving of real tantra or sexual tantra? I think your answer lies in 'what types and styles of tantric practice do we see aligned with the Shankaracharya tradition and the Advaita Vedanta tradition.' Well while it may not (or may) be part of the Shankaracharian tradition and the Advaita Vedanta traditions (Isn't Brahman which is EVERYTHING part of those traditions :) ) Brahman in tantra? Find me a quote if you think it is. OK DOKIE. Perhaps my sense of references is out of whack, maybe not. Let my joke be made abundantly clear: Well while it may not (or may) be part of the Shankaracharian tradition and the Advaita Vedanta traditions (Isn't Brahman which is EVERYTHING part of those Shankaracharian tradition and the Advaita Vedanta traditions :) ) If you are still reading that I am saying Brahman is in tantra, well what can I say. I was making a joke via an indisputable tain of logic: Everything is in Brahman, thus tantra is in Brahman. And since Brahman is at the core of part of Shankaracharian and Advaita Vedanta traditions, therefore tantra must be part Shankaracharian tradition Advaita Vedanta traditions. :) They postively and absolutley did not include union with the Goddess? Not in the teaching I received. But that is hardly comprehensive or conclusive. And is 1000 Heaeded Purusha related to shankaracharian andavaitian traditions? Rig Veda, a famous quote I thought. They have sexual practices. Energol. Shake-up the energy etc. (clarifications from puruasha welcome.) Presumably to keep ojas from drying up. Some celibate sadhus seem to have sexual related rituals. Indeed they do. So you are absolutely positive that no practices from advaitain / shankaracharian tradition do not invole sex in any form? It's a renunciate trip dude. It would also depend on what you mean by any form. I just gave several examples: union with the Goddess? Energol. Shake-up the energy In any event, you're getting off tangent here. Well I may be on a tangent for your train of thought. Not mine. I hope you see the difference. The person who there is the most evidence FOR using sexual tantric practices with his disciples is probably Muktananda IMO. Not M. Of course there is Adi Da also. Which is fine. My primary hypothesis, which you have provided no evidence of substance to counter is that i) it is possible M. had knowledge of multiple, if not many real tantric practices, including the small subset related to sex and union and flows, and ii) its possible he expermiented or practiced such in his encounters,and iii) maybe it was raw sensual sex. If you have any such evidence that it was i) NOT possible M. had knowledge of multiple, if not many real tantric practices, including the small subset related to sex and union and flows, and ii) its NOT possible that he expermiented or practiced such in his encounters, and iii) OR that maybe it was NOT raw sensual sex, then provide away. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:45 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Thirdly, drugs. That was the era when drugs became fashionable. What's so good about that? We found out we were being lied to? : NO ASSOCIATION AT ALL...EVEN A SUGGESTION OF SOME PROTECTIVE EFFECT BETWEEN HEAVY SMOKING OF MARIJUANA AND CANCER... Washington Post | Marc Kaufman | Posted May 26, 2006 08:14 AM  AP/CP, Richard Lam The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer. The new findings were against our expectations, said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years. We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use, he said. What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect. OK, I'll see your pot article and raise you one (to be posted later). Pot hardly first became fashionable, nor was first seen as a spiritual substance, in the 60's --- Cannabis has a long history of spiritual use, especially in India, where it has been used by wandering spiritual sadhus for centuries. The most famous religious group in the West to use cannabis in a spiritual context are the Rastafari movement, though they are by no means the only group. Some historians and etymologists have claimed that cannabis was used by ancient Jews, early Christians and Muslims of the Sufi order. * 1 Rastafari use * 2 Judeo-Christian use * 3 Muslim use * 4 Hindu use * 5 Sikh use * 6 Others * 7 See also * 8 References * 9 External links Rastafari use It is not known when Rastafari first made cannabis into something sacred, though it is clear that by the late 1940s Rastafari was associated with cannabis smoking at the Pinnacle community of Leonard Howell. Rastafari claim to know that cannabis is the Tree of Life mentioned in the Bible. Bob Marley, amongst many others, said, the herb [ganja is the healing of the nations. The use of cannabis, and particularly of large pipes called chalices, is an integral part of what Rastafari call Reasoning sessions. (The flaming chalice is also the symbol of Unitarian Universalism.) They see cannabis as having the capacity to allow the user to penetrate the truth of how things are much more clearly, as if the wool had been pulled from one's eyes. Thus the Rastafari come together to smoke cannabis in order to discuss the truth with each other, reasoning it all out little by little through many sessions. In this way Rastafari believe that cannabis brings the user closer to Jah. [edit] Judeo-Christian use The holy anointing oil mentioned in various sacred Hebrew texts contained, among other ingredients, an herb known as kaneh-bosm (fragrant cane). Historically interpreted to mean calamus, there is some evidence that the correct interpretation of 'fragrant cane' may in fact be cannabis. The word kaneh-bosm (the singular form of which would be kaneh-bos[1]) appears several times in the Old Testament as a bartering material, incense, and an ingredient in holy anointing oil used by the high priest of the temple.[2] The word also appears in Isaiah, [3] Jeremiah, [4] Ezekiel[5] and Song of Solomon.[6] Polish anthropologist Sula Benet published etymological evidence that suggested a word believed to be the Aramaic word for hemp can be read as kannabos and appears to be a cognate to the modern word 'cannabis', [7] with the root kan meaning reed or hemp and bosm meaning fragrant. Other published evidence suggests that cannabis may have been used as a topical psychoactive substance in this time period. As anointment is the application of topical fragrant, emollient, or medicinal ointment for ritual or therapeutic purposes, it is possible that cannabis may have been an ingredient in holy anointing oil, producing spiritual experiences due to the psychoactive properties of the ingredients.[8] Rabbinical scholars appear to be divided on the question of what kaneh-bosm means. Exodus[9] lists kinamon-bosm (qnmn-bsm) and kaneh-bosm (qnh-bsm) separately as ingredients of the holy anointing oil used by temple priests, romanized as v'th qx-lk bsmym r's mr-drvr xms m'vt vqnmn-bsm mxytv xmsym vm'tym vqnh-bsm xmsym vm'tym.[10] Rabbi Diana Villa confirms that 'Kinamon' or 'kinman bosem' is definitely cinnamon but disputes that kaneh-bosm is cannabis, offering a number of other possible interpretations from other published sources.[11] Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan's annotated Torah translation entitled The Living Torah includes cannabis among several other possible
[FairfieldLife] Re: Patti Boyd: My life as a muse
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Did you sing Pete Seeger songs? No comment. But the Boss does: http://tinyurl.com/lofqo I know...I read about Seeger in the New Yorker which did a piece on him about a month ago, really praising him to the hilt and, of course, reinventing his sordid past. At one point in the article, Seeger is quoted as saying that just prior to World War II he was trying to stop Hitler. Well, the opposite was true: During the days of the Soviet-Nazi Pact, Seeger's folk-singing group The Almanac Singers cut an album called Meet John Doe. Its theme: condemn F.D.R. as a fascist for seeking to wage imperialist war against Hitler. So Seeger wasn't trying to stop Hitler; he was doing everything he could to ensure that Hitler continued in power. What a scumbag...not only for supporting Hitler but for now lying about it. http://tinyurl.com/g55so If the following sounds a little familiar to you, Shemp, it's because we already had this same discussion over on alt.m.t when you made this claim about Seeger. This is a repost of what I posted then, just to remind you that we know who is lying about what. And here's an *accurate* description of what happened, from Woody Guthrie's Life (note that the Almanac Singers mentioned below was Pete Seeger's group): Go to the URL I posted for a sampling of the lyrics from this hastily destroyed album...that will tell you wads more than a communist puppet of Stalin, history's greatest mass-murderer. The story of Seeger and Hitler is either the story of someone who did all he could to ensure that the USA didn't join the war against Hitler or it's the story of someone who was anti-war when it suited his communist master and pro-war when it suited his communist masters. Take your pick. Either way he was -- and still is -- a scumbag. Let the prick come clean with his past and then maybe I'll have some respect for his alleged anti-war stances. Woody's politics took a turn as the United States came into the Second World War. Early in the war, communist-sympathizing singers were confused about what stance they should take on the war. They wrote anti-war songs, citing the typical rich man's war, poor man's fight nature of international conflict, and since Stalin and Hitler had signed a non-aggression pact, they felt it wrong to support a fight against Hitler. Yet the far Left obviously found no consonance with Nazi ideals, and they passionately despised Hitler's ways. So for a time, Woody, the Almanac Singers, and similar performers were torn on what their opinon of the war should be. When Hitler broke his agreement with Stalin, though, the American Left could freely and adamantly support the war. After all, Americans and Soviets were fighting side by side against a common enemy, and a thoroughly despicable enemy at that. Since the US was fighting fascism, Woody and the Almanac Singers wrote dozens of songs about defeating fascism and Hitler. And since any kind of strike would cripple the war effort, all the old union songs were put on the shelf for awhile. Eventually though, Pete Seeger joined the army, and that left the Almanac singers up in the air. http://www.dhh-ev.de/alt/woody.html The copies of the anitwar (not pro-Hitler or pro-Nazi) album the Almanac Singers had made were withdrawn and destroyed the day after Hitler invaded, and the group proceeded to make a new album calling on the United States to get into the war against Hitler. And Pete Seeger, as noted above, joined the Army to fight Hitler. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj and new_morning_blank_slate (and MDixon for that matter): Fall all over yourselves in your apparent rush to defend drug use, even something as seemingly innoculous as marijuana. You'll make yourselves look foolish all by yourselves without any help from me. I hardly see why posting a scientific study, and a historical overview of real religious practices, should be so offensive to you or make anyone seem foolish. And why you see posting of them as Fall[ing] all over [our]selves in your apparent rush to defend drug use is well mindblowing. While I like a number of your comments, this one seems silly, perhaps touching some nerve that causes an irrational knee-jerk reaction. To me rationality, independent thinking, and clear thinking are values and practices to be applauded if not cherised. And at the core of libertarina thinking, IMO. Thus your irrational response surprises me. If you find any factual errors in either post (study and history of religions overview), please by all means post them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:45 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Thirdly, drugs. That was the era when drugs became fashionable. What's so good about that? We found out we were being lied to? : NO ASSOCIATION AT ALL...EVEN A SUGGESTION OF SOME PROTECTIVE EFFECT BETWEEN HEAVY SMOKING OF MARIJUANA AND CANCER... Washington Post | Marc Kaufman | Posted May 26, 2006 08:14 AM  AP/CP, Richard Lam The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer. The new findings were against our expectations, said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years. We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use, he said. What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect. OK, I'll see your pot article and raise you one (to be posted later). Pot hardly first became fashionable, or was seen as a spiritual substance, in the 60's --- Cannabis has a long history of spiritual use, especially in India, where it has been used by wandering spiritual sadhus for centuries. The most famous religious group in the West to use cannabis in a spiritual context are the Rastafari movement, though they are by no means the only group. Some historians and etymologists have claimed that cannabis was used by ancient Jews, early Christians and Muslims of the Sufi order. * 1 Rastafari use * 2 Judeo-Christian use * 3 Muslim use * 4 Hindu use * 5 Sikh use * 6 Others * 7 See also * 8 References * 9 External links Rastafari use It is not known when Rastafari first made cannabis into something sacred, though it is clear that by the late 1940s Rastafari was associated with cannabis smoking at the Pinnacle community of Leonard Howell. Rastafari claim to know that cannabis is the Tree of Life mentioned in the Bible. Bob Marley, amongst many others, said, the herb [ganja is the healing of the nations. The use of cannabis, and particularly of large pipes called chalices, is an integral part of what Rastafari call Reasoning sessions. (The flaming chalice is also the symbol of Unitarian Universalism.) They see cannabis as having the capacity to allow the user to penetrate the truth of how things are much more clearly, as if the wool had been pulled from one's eyes. Thus the Rastafari come together to smoke cannabis in order to discuss the truth with each other, reasoning it all out little by little through many sessions. In this way Rastafari believe that cannabis brings the user closer to Jah. [edit] Judeo-Christian use The holy anointing oil mentioned in various sacred Hebrew texts contained, among other ingredients, an herb known as kaneh-bosm (fragrant cane). Historically interpreted to mean calamus, there is some evidence that the correct interpretation of 'fragrant cane' may in fact be cannabis. The word kaneh-bosm (the singular form of which would be kaneh-bos [1]) appears several times in the Old Testament as a bartering material, incense, and an ingredient in holy anointing oil used by the high priest of the temple.[2] The word also appears in Isaiah, [3] Jeremiah, [4] Ezekiel[5] and Song of Solomon.[6] Polish anthropologist Sula Benet published etymological evidence that suggested a word believed to be the Aramaic word for hemp can be read as kannabos and
[FairfieldLife] FW: Vedic Vibration Program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know anything about the Vedic Vibration Program? They are coming to my town soon. Is this for real or only another money making scheme where they chant some mantras silently and then blow on the recipient? Hey FFLife Owners, feel free to post this and leave my name in. I am fairly skeptical about most things including those the TM org. offers. So about four years ago when, due to some highly stressful family situations, my anxiety level was through the roof. I had considered valium but didn't really want to go the route of pharmaceuticals. So, some friends convinced me to spend $800 on the VVT for anxiety. I signed up and went for three consecutive days. The first day I felt some relief for about an hour. After the second day I felt waaay more anxiety than I started out with and thought that maybe they had misunderstood and thought I was trying to become anxiety ridden. About an hour after the treatment on the third day I felt complete and total relief from anxeity and it has never come back to the degree it was. For about six months after the VVT treament I was pretty much anxiety free. I was told that many people that had VVT for anxiety had similar results-that it was one of the most successful ones. Kenny Hassman To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: Vedic Vibration Program
On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:58 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I am fairly skeptical about most things including those the TM org. offers. So about four years ago when, due to some highly stressful family situations, my anxiety level was through the roof. I had considered valium but didn't really want to go the route of pharmaceuticals. So, some friends convinced me to spend $800 No wonder you felt lighter afterwards. :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Vaj and new_morning_blank_slate (and MDixon for that matter): Fall all over yourselves in your apparent rush to defend drug use, even something as seemingly innoculous as marijuana. You'll make yourselves look foolish all by yourselves without any help from me. I hardly see why posting a scientific study, and a historical overview of real religious practices, should be so offensive to you or make anyone seem foolish. And why you see posting of them as Fall[ing] all over [our]selves in your apparent rush to defend drug use is well mindblowing. While I like a number of your comments, this one seems silly, perhaps touching some nerve that causes an irrational knee-jerk reaction. To me rationality, independent thinking, and clear thinking are values and practices to be applauded if not cherised. And at the core of libertarina thinking, IMO. Thus your irrational response surprises me. If you find any factual errors in either post (study and history of religions overview), please by all means post them. I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted here many times. But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for participants on a spiritual site to have any suggestions in their minds that drugs are a good thing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:45 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Thirdly, drugs. That was the era when drugs became fashionable. What's so good about that? We found out we were being lied to? : NO ASSOCIATION AT ALL...EVEN A SUGGESTION OF SOME PROTECTIVE EFFECT BETWEEN HEAVY SMOKING OF MARIJUANA AND CANCER... Washington Post | Marc Kaufman | Posted May 26, 2006 08:14 AM  AP/CP, Richard Lam The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer. The new findings were against our expectations, said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years. We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use, he said. What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect. OK, I'll see your pot article and raise you one (to be posted later). Pot hardly first became fashionable, or was seen as a spiritual substance, in the 60's --- Cannabis has a long history of spiritual use, especially in India, where it has been used by wandering spiritual sadhus for centuries. The most famous religious group in the West to use cannabis in a spiritual context are the Rastafari movement, though they are by no means the only group. Some historians and etymologists have claimed that cannabis was used by ancient Jews, early Christians and Muslims of the Sufi order. * 1 Rastafari use * 2 Judeo-Christian use * 3 Muslim use * 4 Hindu use * 5 Sikh use * 6 Others * 7 See also * 8 References * 9 External links Rastafari use It is not known when Rastafari first made cannabis into something sacred, though it is clear that by the late 1940s Rastafari was associated with cannabis smoking at the Pinnacle community of Leonard Howell. Rastafari claim to know that cannabis is the Tree of Life mentioned in the Bible. Bob Marley, amongst many others, said, the herb [ganja is the healing of the nations. The use of cannabis, and particularly of large pipes called chalices, is an integral part of what Rastafari call Reasoning sessions. (The flaming chalice is also the symbol of Unitarian Universalism.) They see cannabis as having the capacity to allow the user to penetrate the truth of how things are much more clearly, as if the wool had been pulled from one's eyes. Thus the Rastafari come together to smoke cannabis in order to discuss the truth with each other, reasoning it all out little by little through many sessions. In this way Rastafari believe that cannabis brings the user closer to Jah. [edit] Judeo-Christian use The holy anointing oil mentioned in various sacred Hebrew texts contained, among other ingredients, an herb known as kaneh-bosm (fragrant cane). Historically interpreted to mean calamus, there is some evidence that the correct interpretation of 'fragrant cane' may in fact be cannabis. The
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Vedic Vibration Program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 bmorry2000@ wrote: Does anyone know anything about the Vedic Vibration Program? They are coming to my town soon. Is this for real or only another money making scheme where they chant some mantras silently and then blow on the recipient? Hey FFLife Owners, feel free to post this and leave my name in. I am fairly skeptical about most things including those the TM org. offers. So about four years ago when, due to some highly stressful family situations, my anxiety level was through the roof. I had considered valium but didn't really want to go the route of pharmaceuticals. So, some friends convinced me to spend $800 on the VVT for anxiety. I signed up and went for three consecutive days. The first day I felt some relief for about an hour. After the second day I felt waaay more anxiety than I started out with and thought that maybe they had misunderstood and thought I was trying to become anxiety ridden. About an hour after the treatment on the third day I felt complete and total relief from anxeity and it has never come back to the degree it was. For about six months after the VVT treament I was pretty much anxiety free. I was told that many people that had VVT for anxiety had similar results-that it was one of the most successful ones. Kenny Hassman At the VV meeting I cited in an earlier post, the formal recommendation was that if you do any treatment, do the one for anxiety. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Vaj and new_morning_blank_slate (and MDixon for that matter): Fall all over yourselves in your apparent rush to defend drug use, even something as seemingly innoculous as marijuana. You'll make yourselves look foolish all by yourselves without any help from me. I hardly see why posting a scientific study, and a historical overview of real religious practices, should be so offensive to you or make anyone seem foolish. Shemp doesn't read anything he thinks is going to be contrary to what he wants to believe, so he almost certainly didn't realize what it was you were posting. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:46 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote:
All of which swerves widely from the main point: Could MMy have some
knowledge of sexually related tantric practices by one of many means?
Of course you know it's likely he could, esp. if he really is a yogi,
since one of the main texts on yoga contains rather explicit
instructions...
OK then.
There's just absolutely no evidence he practices these.
And it appears, to the same degree your statement above reflects the
truth, There's just absolutely no evidence that he DOESN'T practice
these.
It's possible he received transmission of Sri Vidya in this manner,
however there is no evidence that I am aware of he did receive such.
Agreed. So its possible. Not established either way.
He also has brought people in to teach him things.
Oh the shame, the shame Were (among) their names, Larry Domash
and John Haiglin?
Indeed some of
the more prominent revelations of MMY are straight out of various
commentaries.
And you expected him to teach something outside of the Holy Tradition?
In other words, if he did claim to have received such revelation, I
(personally), would take it with a very large grain of salt.
Ok. And if he didn't claim such. But simply shared some insights he
got from listening to scripture,and discussing such from pundits.
Unfortunately it didn't come out that way to the disciples.
I didn't realize he had disciples outside of india (and avery few ex
western ones). So either you have some MUCH MUCH more inner knowledge
of M and TMO, or are overcome by the reflected light of myths which
reflect on mirrors MUCH MUCH on the outside from point from where I
observed things.
How often did you see M discuss things with Pundits? I did everyday
for a long time. And of course there have been many more days in the
past 30 years that I have not. I don't claim comprehnsiveness. But in
my in-person experience, I recall a lot of gentle back and forth,
respective and loving exchanges, and LOTS of respect paid by M to the
pundits.
Who are referencing besides {Tom??} from Estes Park?
I think he did get insights from listening to pundits, but it ended
up coming out as the Great rishi hath spoken this revealed
material.
You personally witnessed this? I never did. Rick, did you?
Or are you going on 2nd, 3rd and 4th hand accounts? Where layers of
interpreatations come into play. And tell me with a straight face
that Tom(?) the Estes Park guy doesn't have a specific angle, and
exhibits strong attempts to convince people of his POV. Not a crime,
but he clearly is not an impassioned observer.
INmy personal observation, M never claimed to be a Rig Veda scholar.
THATS why in the early 7o's he invited Pundit Devarat -- the most
respected Rig Veda pundit at thattime, to join him. To chant and
discuss things in RV everyday. I personally saw M give great respect,
honor and reverence to Deverat everyday. Same with SamaVed Pundits.
What pundits did you personally see him rob stuff from.
Now you're saying I said he robbed stuff from pundits?
sigh Nevermind.
OK. Why get dismissive and condescending, friend? I take this as a
friendly exhange to get to what we know and what we do n't know. It is
my word rob, not yours, describing what I interpreted what you were
trying to say. What verb would you use to best describe his actions
towards them.
In short, I see no evidence to support your Maharishi-as-tantric
adept enlightening his female students thru sex from the spontaneous
transmission he received from SBS once-upon-a-time.
Which I am not claiming as certain. But as one of many possiblities.
I hope the above is not a strawman formulation. You read more clearly
than that. I have raised the possibility that:
1) M had or probably had access to i) a tantric teacher, ii) a number
of tantric / yogic adepts, iii) passive and active transmission, from
ii) and iv) a culture where real tantra was known by many. And thus M
MAY have had some knowledge of the small subset of trantra having to
do with sex and internal energies. I see this as quite probable. You
may not.
2) M is an experimenter. Maybe in your experience around him, you were
not fortunate enough to see this. But its a wonderful adaptiveness and
responsiveness to what works and tossing, or waiting on, things that
don't work. Its constant. So if #1 is possible and even likely, I
personally find it possible, if not likely that M experiemented with
sexual tantra in his encounters with 20ish quite shaki-laden women
(one of the shakti-laden woman I used to observe every night).
So that you see no evidence to support your Maharishi-as-tantric
adept enlightening his female students thru sex from the spontaneous
transmission he received from SBS once-upon-a-time most odd
characterization is no surprise. Its a limited and distorted,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted here many times. But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for participants on a spiritual site to have any suggestions in their minds that drugs are a good thing. The editors of Tricycle, probably the most respected Buddhist journal, disagreed. A few years ago they devoted an entire issue to a discussion of the relationship of drugs and spiritual development. It was a wonderful issue, very ballsy, and presented viewpoints from all sides, but without any of the rancor and moralism we're starting to see here. Tricycle: The Buddhist Review. New York: Buddhist Ray, Inc. Vol. VI, number 1, Fall, 1996. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Vibration Program
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: You may lose an arm and a leg, but the make the remaining arm and leg feel really, really good! Which seemed to be you strategy in saying you would give an arm and two legs to have sex with that blonde school teacher in the news several months ago. Keeping the 5th limb happy. I gotta tell you: I don't know WHAT the fuss was all about there. She was a teacher with some areas of undisputable talent. The kid should have been given a medal for getting to have sex with her and the teacher deserves the thanks and praise from each and every male in the US that had to sit through classes given by babes like that. There should be a double standard when it comes to teachers having sex with students: Male teacher, female student: bad. Female teachers, male student: good. Well I have a lesbian friend who in HS had a huge crush on her lesbian math teacher (and I think still does). Whats Female teacher / Female student (besides something you want to see on Hi Def)? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Vaj and new_morning_blank_slate (and MDixon for that matter): Fall all over yourselves in your apparent rush to defend drug use, even something as seemingly innoculous as marijuana. You'll make yourselves look foolish all by yourselves without any help from me. I hardly see why posting a scientific study, and a historical overview of real religious practices, should be so offensive to you or make anyone seem foolish. And why you see posting of them as Fall[ing] all over [our]selves in your apparent rush to defend drug use is well mindblowing. While I like a number of your comments, this one seems silly, perhaps touching some nerve that causes an irrational knee-jerk reaction. To me rationality, independent thinking, and clear thinking are values and practices to be applauded if not cherised. And at the core of libertarina thinking, IMO. Thus your irrational response surprises me. If you find any factual errors in either post (study and history of religions overview), please by all means post them. I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted here many times. But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for participants on a spiritual site to have any suggestions in their minds that drugs are a good thing. Which is a fine POV. Particularly if it works for you. But apparently ancients and moderns in many world religions disagree with you. And health officials indicate that at least one health issue is a myth. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Drugs, was: Kumbaya
on 6/5/06 3:31 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted here many times. But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for participants on a spiritual site to have any suggestions in their minds that drugs are a good thing. Absolutely? So it a totally black and white situation? There couldn't possibly be anything good about drugs for anyone ever? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted here many times. But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for participants on a spiritual site to have any suggestions in their minds that drugs are a good thing. The editors of Tricycle, probably the most respected Buddhist journal, disagreed. A few years ago they devoted an entire issue to a discussion of the relationship of drugs and spiritual development. It was a wonderful issue, very ballsy, and presented viewpoints from all sides, but without any of the rancor and moralism we're starting to see here. Tricycle: The Buddhist Review. New York: Buddhist Ray, Inc. Vol. VI, number 1, Fall, 1996. Thanks. But those moeny grubbing buddhists only want to make money off this knowledge and charge me outrageous sums (and make me wait for snail mail). http://www.tricycle.com/catalog/backissues/ (um for the humor challenged, which indeed may be me, the above was a satire of comments about the TMO.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Drugs, was: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/5/06 3:31 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am for the full legalisation of drugs, as I've posted here many times. But there's nothing -- absolutely no reason -- for participants on a spiritual site to have any suggestions in their minds that drugs are a good thing. Absolutely? So it a totally black and white situation? There couldn't possibly be anything good about drugs for anyone ever? Tell that to Montel Williams... What about Willie Nelson? Bob Marley.. Are these people who have made no spiritual contribution to the world? I think they have... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
