[FairfieldLife] Re: Orgone and Reich
They have been demonstrated to exist by the great scientist and psychologist Wilhelm Reich, who was a colleague and one-time assistant of Freud. He died in an American prison in 1957. He was arrested for purporting to treat diseases with instruments which he claimed (correctly) attracted matter from the etheric planes, which he called orgone energy. He saw it as one vast plane of orgone energy, which he saw, rightly, as being everywhere in the universe, substanding the outer solid physical plane. Esotericists understand the etheric plane as four planes, becoming finer and finer as they go higher. The fourth etheric is just above gas, and is invisible unless you have etheric vision. The reality of this etheric energy, of what he called orgone energy, was demonstrated palpably by Wilhelm Reich in various simple experiments. Nevertheless, he was arrested because he used instruments which he called the orgone accumulator, boxes which accumulated the etheric energy of some levels, usually the two lower levels, the fourth and the third etheric, to treat diseases including cancer and various other diseases. In America that was deemed illegal. The Food and Drug Administration arrested him, refused to allow him to prove his work, and he died in prison. -Benjamin Creme For more information, please see: http://shareintl.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] More Yogis in prison
Adam Parsons is the first foreign journalist to visit Swami Premananda since his imprisonment in India in 1994. We include two segements from this vivid article in which he describes conditions at the prison and the impact the Avatar is having on those around him. For the complete article see Share International July/August 2006. In a remote village on the edge of southern India, far off the tourist maps, a cheery holy man continues his fixed routine. Between six in the morning and six in the evening, Swami Premananda gives a daily spiritual discourse to an audience of hundreds, writes personal replies giving advice and support to an unending stream of letters, holds open interviews every day for the poor people around him, while constantly overseeing the management of a fruit plantation, a flower nursery, an orphanage, a school, and an ashram more than 250km away. It may sound like the life of a particularly conscientious sage, except that Swami Premananda has languished behind bars for more than 11 years, and the people who seek his daily counsel are fellow prisoners in Cuddalore jail . The jail where Premananda has lived since 1998 is a five-hour train ride from the ashram in a dusty coastal town called Cuddalore that was ravaged by the tsunami of late 2004. No tourist would have a reason to come here, especially not at the muddy end of the rainy season, but I had been warned not to let slip the purpose of my visit considering the damning opinion most Indians hold against Premananda. It added to a slight sense of being on a furtive assignment the Swami had never met with a foreign reporter since his arrest, so if anyone asked, I was told, then I should pretend to be on my way to the seaside French colony at Pondicherry. A small gathering of us assembled at a nearby village in the early morning before herding into a couple of 1950s-style Ambassador taxis. The prison stood two km away in a silent and gloomy woodland, enclosed by a barren forecourt and a towering wall guarded by sentries with old-fashioned rifles. It became more surreal as our entourage gathered around Premananda, who was quietly sitting on a stool in the corner of a bare and windowless cell. Many people who first meet Swamiji, as he is normally referred to, say how differently he comes across from the usual notions of the sombre holy man, but with a full round beard, ever-smiling white teeth, and wearing a wrap-around cloth called a lungi, he almost seems like the stereotypical wise and jubilant guru. He speaks to foreigners in a charismatic, self-taught English that requires some translation from those more experienced in his enjoyable style of jumbling up clauses and missing out verbs, and it can be difficult not to laugh along with his animated explanations. The PR officer who translated explained that Premananda is going blind from untreated eye cataracts and diabetes, as well as suffering from high blood pressure, ear problems and chronic asthma. In the monsoon summers, I was told, rains could flood each prison cell to knee height. There are barely any facilities no roof, no fan, no light, no bed. I have to sleep on the floor! Premananda explained, squinting and chuckling through the bars. He described these conditions with such jollity and mirth that it was easy to overlook how terrible it must be. In a previous discourse given in the prison, he explained that at night it was so hot you can hardly breathe, forcing him to use a hand fan made from coconut palm which my hand goes on fanning automatically even when I am asleep. Asked how things were for the other prisoners, the Swami began to describe the injustices rife inside Indian jails. Of the 3,000 prisoners in Cuddalore prison a huge proportion were innocent, he said, as it was common practice for a rich person to commit a murder or serious crime and then bribe the police so that an `ordinary' man is blamed. But how can we help these people? The only way is by appointing a lawyer, he said. The government appoints each prisoner a free lawyer, but he does nothing. Now I have freed roughly 200 people by paying for a lawyer and overseeing the case. If somebody gives pocket money to me, that money goes directly to their lawyer! I don't want money for myself. Other prisoners who live alongside Premananda spoke of the quiet good works that he continuously undertakes inside the prison. Mr Parvallal, who spends hours in Premananda's cell each day handwriting replies to letters that the Swami endlessly dictates owing to his loss of sight, gave information that was not even known to residents in the ashram. Every morning at around eight o'clock, said Parvallel, several hundred people gather in the courtyard, with special permission from the guards, to listen to Premananda discuss an aspect of Sanathana Dharma (the philosophy of India's ancient sages). I have taken lessons from Swami for four years, and they
[FairfieldLife] ROTM
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[FairfieldLife] 'CIA bin Laden Group Disbanded'
It was announced today, that the people associated with tracking Osama bin Laden, will be disbanded today and reassigned to different projects. I assume most of any documents of contacts between these agents of the U.S. govt. and Mr. bin Laden will be destroyed, forever, or have been already. Oh well, I guess we'll never find out, how and why, Mr. bin Laden figured into 9/11? Certainly the goal of invasion of Iraq, has been accomplished now. So, it is no wonder, that the attention would be off Mr. bin Laden. He is still quite valuable to them. Whoever, them is? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'CIA bin Laden Team, Disbanded?' part II
It was reported today, that the team working on Osama bin Laden is being disbanded. Assuming all forms or information of the past ten years of operation destroyed as well. (also,reported that the government will spend more time on other operatives). Since the ocupation of Iraq, will be continuing to draw billions...into the certain pockets. It seems that Mr.bin Laden will continue to be protected, as he seems ratherimportant asset,in the Bush/Rove/Rumsfeld/Cheneywar on terror.R.Gimbel Madison,WI. Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil, Orgone and Reich
On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:19 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out: http://www.orgonomy.org/ Ok, I will. On Jul 4, 2006, at 9:48 PM, new.morning wrote: I have been hearing of Reich for 35 years. Have yet to see much of substance. There a huge amount of material out there and a lot online. Huge amount yes. Of substance -- not that I have seen. Though if quoting him gets one laid, I guess thats of substance. I would recommend reading his son's story _Book of Dreams_ as an intro to the guy, or (since that is hard to find) read Orson Bean's (yes the guy who used to be on Truth or Consequences a lot) _Me and Orgone_ (I can email a copy of it I found) which is hilarious and informative on someone who underwent Orgonomic treatment. If you *really* want to know everything about the guy, then read _Fury on Earth: A Biography of Wilhelm Reich_ by Myron R. Sharaf.One of course could also look at the numerous other treatments Reich's work spawned: bioenergetics, holotropic breath work, Rolfing, etc. It's fairly easy to find someone to Rolf you and still inexpensive. And unlike Orgonomic treatment, it's fairly quick--ten sessions or so. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil, Orgone and Reich
On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:25 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Check out: http://www.orgonomy.org/ Ok, I will. Mission accomplished. "Using Reich's astrophysical discoveries as a basis, it is possible to elucidate the relationships between different celestial motions. These relationships, though obvious once discovered, have eluded centuries of mechanistic research. In attempting to develop Reich's conclusion that "the equatorial orgone envelope provides the concrete physical mover of the planets," [1:81] it is shown that the directions of rotation of the sun and each of the nine planets are in simple functional relations to the galactic plane. This constitutes an advance over the mechanistic view, wherein there is no relationship whatsoever between the orientations of the planets relative to each other and no relationship between the directions of planetary rotation and other realms of celestial motion." So the empirical data, predictions, research, peer-reviewed publications, debate in journals, etc for this speculative theory is where?I'd write them and ask if that type of thing truly interests you. Pretty interesting quote, thanks. I assume the rest of the site is of this same caliber - grand speculations with no substance (as in research to back up (or disprove) the speculations. There's been a lot of on-going research but I'm only familiar with some of it. If you're really interested my guess would be the Journal of Orgonomy. This isn't the TM movement so I don't see these people really that interested in using this to sell something or get seen in other journals. A lot of research seemed geared towards repeating Reich's original experiments. From what I've heard it is all been duplicated and the college even teaches a lab course where you duplicate important orgone experiments. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:35 PM, new.morning wrote: Scientists believe far more wierd ass things than you or I. Well at least me. :) String theory, quantum theory, relativity theory. The latter two because they have been extraodianrily successful in predicting what the model says should happen. No matter how wierd-ass the apparent processes and "elements" involved. No this research isn't widely public, but then again there aren't many people interested in the use of orgone devices on children in utero and during development... Um yeah. Do any reasons why ocur to you? Certainly! Yea, I bet they are doozies. Haliburton, the Tri-Lateral Commission and the pilot of the plane that didn't crash into the Pentagon are involved, right? IIRC the work we were seeing was from field notes and some preliminary papers from nurses and other physicians. One I remember was where they were taking devices which Reich believed could amplify and direct orgone in a particular direction, a kind of prana ray gun (LOL). In these initial notes, they would direct a stream of prana at the fetus, and in every case the unborn child would reposition itself to come closer to the stream of prana. I think one of the reasons material like this was released (ahead of the 2008 unsealing) by Reich's literary executor was so researchers *would* work on duplicating the research and/or take the implications of such research further. Given that some of the most prominent Orgonomists were at this conference, I'd be surprised if that wasn't already the case (this was in the late 80's). A lot of the material was on child development and very preliminary research, but if it panned out would have serious implications for the future. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/business/05coalfuel.html The coal in the ground in Illinois alone has more energy than all the oil in Saudi Arabia. The technology to turn that coal into fuel for cars, homes and factories is proven. And at current prices, that process could be at the vanguard of a big, new industry. It's interesting to see that this is being taken seriously by the commercial sector. It will increase pollution most likely, but at least it give us some options. My guess is that when push comes to shovel and there is a choice between compromising the american life style and compromising the atmosphere, our current government will choose to maintain our wasteful life style. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
On Jul 5, 2006, at 8:45 AM, Michael Murphy wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/business/05coalfuel.html "The coal in the ground in Illinois alone has more energy than all the oil in Saudi Arabia. The technology to turn that coal into fuel for cars, homes and factories is proven. And at current prices, that process could be at the vanguard of a big, new industry." It's interesting to see that this is being taken seriously by the commercial sector. It will increase pollution most likely, but at least it give us some options. My guess is that when push comes to shovel and there is a choice between compromising the american life style and compromising the atmosphere, our current government will choose to maintain our wasteful life style. What they (the coal industry) will do I suspect is promote research which will show that particulate matter released into the atmosphere from coal burning actually helps mitigate the Greenhouse Effect. Therefore this will not only be a viable interim solution, it will help reverse global warming till "cleaner" solutions are in place and viable. The new WMD. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Sheehan Adopts The : Mahatma Approach' ([Great Soul] App...
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have heard right wing extremists are setting up a stir fry buffet just up wind of the fasting protesters. Cruel bastards! ;-) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stop the bullshit stream and ACT
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I certainly am not a person who thinks very highly of those who believe Armageddon is imminent and who use that belief as a scare tactic. To me, that's just another instance of self important people trying to convert others to their particular brand name of self importance. Or possibly an instance of people trying to draw attention to a few uncomfortable facts that most others would rather stick their heads in the sand and ignore in case it upsets their cosy lifestyles too much? I think the green movement has always overplayed the imminence of global threats to hurry people up about doing something, but that doesn't mean the threats aren't real. Of course the world won't end but life is going to become a lot tougher for an awful lot of people even you non-self important ones. And lets not forget there is a scarily feasible worst case scenario that ends up with the earth being about as hospitable as venus. All I can see is common sense in trying to avoid that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Sheehan Adopts The : Mahatma Approach' ([Great Soul]...
In a message dated 7/4/06 10:11:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anti-war protesters begin July 4 fast Mon Jul 3, 2006 8:07pm ET By Amanda Beck WASHINGTON (Reuters) - About 150 protesters sat in front of the White House on Monday to savor their last meal before starting a hunger strike that some said will continue until American troops return from Iraq. The demonstration marking the Independence Day holiday was organized by CodePink, a women's anti-war group that called on volunteers to abstain from eating for 24 hours from midnight on Monday. Some protesters said their fast would continue beyond July 4th. Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq, said she would drink only water throughout the summer, which she said she would spend outside President George W. Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas. "This war is a crime," Sheehan told a crowd of clapping, cheering protesters. "We represent millions of Americans who withdraw their support from this government." The demonstrators crouched in the muggy evening next to a piece of pink plastic, spread down the road as a table and table-cloth in one. It was covered with wilted pink sunflowers and plates of vegetarian curry, white rice, and beans. The demonstration aimed at highlighting the costs of the war, in which more than 2,500 U.S. soldiers and thousands of Iraqis have died, said CodePink spokeswoman Meredith Dearborn. "We have to put our own lives on the line, and I'm willing to do that," said activist Diane Wilson, who pledged to fast until the United States withdraws from Iraq. Dearborn said 2,700 other activists nationwide, including actors Susan Sarandon and Sean Penn, would work as a relay team passing the fast daily from one to another. © Reuters 2006. All Rights Reserved. I have heard right wing extremists are setting up a stir fry buffet just up wind of the fasting protesters.Ha, ha, that would be funny; maybe some burning crosses too, would add a touch!I think she needs to lose some weight anyway; whadaya think?Anyway, she was a real pain in the ass for Pres.Bush, last summer;Seemed like he never got out of the slump she created;When he refused to visit with her.What a pussy. I think she should do a weigh in before and after the fast to see if she really is fasting. I don't think she bothered the president at all, in fact the more extremist she got, the more of a buffoon she looked, showing everybody just why he wouldn't meet with her AGAIN. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: new.morning economics and morality
--- shempmcgurk wrote: --- Patrick wrote: --- shempmcgurk wrote: --- Gillam wrote: on 7/4/06 5:04 PM, MDixon6569@ wrote: on 7/4/06 12:38 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: And Thomas Friedman's point is well taken as well: he says that Bush should do with energy what Kennedy did in '63 with the space program (you know: send a man to the moon and bring him safely back to Earth). Commit the country to finding alternative fuels and getting us off the back of oil. Why didn't Clinton do it when he had a 10 trillion dollar surplus? Republican Congress? Are you giving the Republican Congress complements for having a balanced budget/surplus ... or are you chastising them for not instituting an alternative fuels project? I'm not chastising, and I'm certainly not complimenting. I'm venturing a guess as to why Clinton didn't launch a grand plan for energy independence. It seems such a plan would be futile unless the Republicans were behind it, seeing as they controlled Congress for three-quarters of his presidency. Is it part of the Republican plan for America? Well, if the Republican Congress is to take the blame, then they should also get the credit for the good things that happened during the Clinton administration, too, no? Such as: balancing the budget, welfare reform, free trade... Well, I didn't think I was assigning blame so much as giving a reason why Clinton wasn't able to snap his fingers and launch a new energy program, as someone implied above. But as for giving credit for the successes of the Clinton years, I'm happy to acknowledge everyone who was in the city during those years, whatever his or her party. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Sheehan Adopts The : Mahatma Approach' ([Great Soul]...
In a message dated 7/4/06 10:22:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now's he's heard sexing with Condalezza, who knows?What the heck, have another beer...and watch the damn game Now that's a good one! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil, Orgone and Reich
Responses interleaved: --- Vaj wrote: read Orson Bean's (yes the guy who used to be on Truth or Consequences a lot) _Me and Orgone_ (I can email a copy of it I found) Would you email it to me? I once read that Orson Bean would stay up all night working on a joke. That's my kind of work ethic. I'm curious as to what he had to say. Thanks kindly. One of course could also look at the numerous other treatments Reich's work spawned: ... Rolfing Reich's work relates to Ida Rolf's? I got Rolfed by a siddha buddy, and he never mentioned such a connection. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
I don't think coal will ever replace oil. Everybody knows the effect coal had in creating acid rain and deforestation around the world. However it will still be used at current levels and maybe a little higher or at least until there is a technology to burn significantly cleaner. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new.morning economics and morality
In a message dated 7/5/06 8:46:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I didn't think I was assigning blame so much as giving a reason why Clinton wasn't able to snap his fingers and launch a new energy program, as someone implied above. But as for giving credit for the successes of the Clinton years, I'm happy to acknowledge everyone who was in the city during those years, whatever his or her party. Well, all he had to do is say in a State of the Union speech that it was imperative that we start a program, let the Republican congress say "no" and then the ball is in their court. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Carbon Sequestration is the Key
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 5, 2006, at 8:45 AM, Michael Murphy wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/business/05coalfuel.html The coal in the ground in Illinois alone has more energy than all the oil in Saudi Arabia. The technology to turn that coal into fuel for cars, homes and factories is proven. And at current prices, that process could be at the vanguard of a big, new industry. It's interesting to see that this is being taken seriously by the commercial sector. It will increase pollution most likely, but at least it give us some options. My guess is that when push comes to shovel and there is a choice between compromising the american life style and compromising the atmosphere, our current government will choose to maintain our wasteful life style. What they (the coal industry) will do I suspect is promote research which will show that particulate matter released into the atmosphere from coal burning actually helps mitigate the Greenhouse Effect. Therefore this will not only be a viable interim solution, it will help reverse global warming till cleaner solutions are in place and viable. The new WMD. Actually, as the article points out, and has been the trend for 20 years, coal is much cleaner than it used to be for traditioanl pollutants: SO2, CO, ozone, No2, PM10 etc. The article says the current [scrubbing] technology makes coal burning cleaner than natural gas -- which if true -- is phenomenal. NG has long been the quite-clean burning fuel of choice for new plants coming on line. And is the by far largest generation fuel in areas like California. But CO2 (not CO) is not a traditional pollutant and is not eliminated / greatly reduced by these modern scubbers. But, again as the article points out, as has been the trend, carbon sequestration technology is advancing. There are experimental plants that pump all CO2 into the ground. So the generation is CO2 neutral. And quite low in traditional pollutants. Some areas, as the article points out cannot pump the CO2 into the ground, but can pipeline it to industrial areas. The latter needs more pipeline infrastructure to be truly viable. Sequestration of carbon is as or more important than i) energy-efficiency -- getting same power out of less energy input, and ii) conservation (consuming less, substituting energy intensive consumption for products and services with lower input. Both would be greatly enhanced, and solved by the market if fuels were priced efficiently and not laden with huge subsidies (direct and indirect -- that is, not including all costs incurred on society. Welfare-energy-consumers are of course resistant to efficient market solutions. Sequestration can be direct, like the coal plant pumping CO2 underground, or indirect, such as reforestation. 95% of CO2 produced on earth (not the same as that escaping to atmosphere) is 95% or so from natural sources. But nature has an abundance of carbom sinks which traditionally have kept CO2 in balance. The 5% man-made carbon had tipped the balance, thus causing a 30% or so increase in atmospheric carbon. By increasing, or even re-establishing, natural carbon sinks -- such as forests -- the greenhouse gas problem looming for future generations could be substantially mitigated. If energy were price to reflect its full costs, and thus sending the correct price signal in all markets -- hugely important to market economies -- large scale sequestration projects could be funded with no increase on regular taxes. Then those who want to drive a lot, and/or drive SUVs, can do so to their hearts content, pay the full cost of such consumption, send the corrrect price signal for energy, and provide for more forests (recretion lands) which could keep CO2 in (or greatly towatds) balance. Drive and create forest recreation lands! Who doesn't love that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think coal will ever replace oil. Everybody knows the effect coal had in creating acid rain and deforestation around the world. However it will still be used at current levels and maybe a little higher or at least until there is a technology to burn significantly cleaner. You are not keeping up with electric generation technology. See adjacent post Carbon Sequestration. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
I noted yesterday yahoo is messing up big time on its web-site -- for me at least. Lost threads, wrong names on posts in index, three month old posts listed first, etc. I logged on on a second PC, and the web-site interface is just fine. Anyone else notice this? That would appear to point to a virus on one PC and not the other. I heard there is a new yahoo virus, but it effects e-mails, not groups. Though since posts are via e-mail, perhaps the virus spills over to the interface. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noted yesterday yahoo is messing up big time on its web-site -- for me at least. Lost threads, wrong names on posts in index, three month old posts listed first, etc. I logged on on a second PC, and the web-site interface is just fine. Anyone else notice this? I'm seeing *responses* to months-old posts (just from Vaj, I think), but not the posts themselves. Vaj's responses have the current date, but I don't know whether that's part of the glitch, or just that he's replying to the old posts without realizing they're old. That would appear to point to a virus on one PC and not the other. What browser(s) are you running, what version(s), and on what OS? Have you emptied the browser cache on the PC that's giving you trouble? I heard there is a new yahoo virus, but it effects e-mails, not groups. Though since posts are via e-mail, perhaps the virus spills over to the interface. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those of you who believe in global warming
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Then tell us exactly what you think the terrible global warming is going to create for mankind and planet earth. One quite plausible result will be the loss of most coastal cities, I believe. I find this thread rather cute. It reminds me of a cartoon in London's Sunday Times the weekend after the Apollo moon landings in 1969: Two people were walking into the offices of The Flat Earth Society, and one said to the other: Did you get to see much TV over the weekend?. The other replied: None at all. I just had things to catch up with; you know how it is. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Carbon Sequestration is the Key
On Jul 5, 2006, at 9:53 AM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 5, 2006, at 8:45 AM, Michael Murphy wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/business/05coalfuel.html "The coal in the ground in Illinois alone has more energy than all the oil in Saudi Arabia. The technology to turn that coal into fuel for cars, homes and factories is proven. And at current prices, that process could be at the vanguard of a big, new industry." It's interesting to see that this is being taken seriously by the commercial sector. It will increase pollution most likely, but at least it give us some options. My guess is that when push comes to shovel and there is a choice between compromising the american life style and compromising the atmosphere, our current government will choose to maintain our wasteful life style. What they (the coal industry) will do I suspect is promote research which will show that particulate matter released into the atmosphere from coal burning actually helps mitigate the Greenhouse Effect. Therefore this will not only be a viable interim solution, it will help reverse global warming till "cleaner" solutions are in place and viable. The new WMD. Actually, as the article points out, and has been the trend for 20 years, coal is much cleaner than it used to be for traditioanl pollutants: SO2, CO, ozone, No2, PM10 etc. The article says the current [scrubbing] technology makes coal burning cleaner than natural gas -- which if true -- is phenomenal. NG has long been the quite-clean burning fuel of choice for new plants coming on line. And is the by far largest generation fuel in areas like California. But CO2 (not CO) is not a traditional pollutant and is not eliminated / greatly reduced by these modern scubbers. But, again as the article points out, as has been the trend, carbon sequestration technology is advancing. There are experimental plants that pump all CO2 into the ground. So the generation is CO2 neutral. And quite low in traditional pollutants. Some areas, as the article points out cannot pump the CO2 into the ground, but can pipeline it to industrial areas. The latter needs more pipeline infrastructure to be truly viable. Sequestration of carbon is as or more important than i) energy-efficiency -- getting same power out of less energy input, and ii) conservation (consuming less, substituting energy intensive consumption for products and services with lower input. Both would be greatly enhanced, and "solved" by the market if fuels were priced efficiently and not laden with huge subsidies (direct and indirect -- that is, not including all costs incurred on society. Welfare-energy-consumers are of course resistant to efficient market solutions. Sequestration can be direct, like the coal plant pumping CO2 underground, or indirect, such as reforestation. 95% of CO2 produced on earth (not the same as that escaping to atmosphere) is 95% or so from natural sources. But nature has an abundance of carbom "sinks" which traditionally have kept CO2 in balance. The 5% man-made carbon had tipped the balance, thus causing a 30% or so increase in atmospheric carbon. By increasing, or even re-establishing, natural carbon sinks -- such as forests -- the greenhouse gas problem looming for future generations could be substantially mitigated. If energy were price to reflect its full costs, and thus sending the correct price signal in all markets -- hugely important to market economies -- large scale sequestration projects could be funded with no increase on regular taxes. Then those who want to drive a lot, and/or drive SUVs, can do so to their hearts content, pay the full cost of such consumption, send the corrrect price signal for energy, and provide for more forests (recretion lands) which could keep CO2 in (or greatly towatds) balance. Drive and create forest recreation lands! Who doesn't love that. Sounds like spin to me. I'd expect to see sequestration used to sell the idea and then some backpedalling as the industry moves to cut costs. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Carbon Sequestration is the Key
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 5, 2006, at 9:53 AM, new.morning wrote: Actually, as the article points out, and has been the trend for 20 years, coal is much cleaner than it used to be for traditioanl pollutants: SO2, CO, ozone, No2, PM10 etc. The article says the current [scrubbing] technology makes coal burning cleaner than natural gas -- which if true -- is phenomenal. NG has long been the quite-clean burning fuel of choice for new plants coming on line. And is the by far largest generation fuel in areas like California. But CO2 (not CO) is not a traditional pollutant and is not eliminated / greatly reduced by these modern scubbers. But, again as the article points out, as has been the trend, carbon sequestration technology is advancing. There are experimental plants that pump all CO2 into the ground. So the generation is CO2 neutral. And quite low in traditional pollutants. Some areas, as the article points out cannot pump the CO2 into the ground, but can pipeline it to industrial areas. The latter needs more pipeline infrastructure to be truly viable. Sequestration of carbon is as or more important than i) energy-efficiency -- getting same power out of less energy input, and ii) conservation (consuming less, substituting energy intensive consumption for products and services with lower input. Both would be greatly enhanced, and solved by the market if fuels were priced efficiently and not laden with huge subsidies (direct and indirect -- that is, not including all costs incurred on society. Welfare-energy-consumers are of course resistant to efficient market solutions. Sequestration can be direct, like the coal plant pumping CO2 underground, or indirect, such as reforestation. 95% of CO2 produced on earth (not the same as that escaping to atmosphere) is 95% or so from natural sources. But nature has an abundance of carbom sinks which traditionally have kept CO2 in balance. The 5% man-made carbon had tipped the balance, thus causing a 30% or so increase in atmospheric carbon. By increasing, or even re-establishing, natural carbon sinks -- such as forests -- the greenhouse gas problem looming for future generations could be substantially mitigated. If energy were price to reflect its full costs, and thus sending the correct price signal in all markets -- hugely important to market economies -- large scale sequestration projects could be funded with no increase on regular taxes. Then those who want to drive a lot, and/or drive SUVs, can do so to their hearts content, pay the full cost of such consumption, send the corrrect price signal for energy, and provide for more forests (recretion lands) which could keep CO2 in (or greatly towatds) balance. Drive and create forest recreation lands! Who doesn't love that. Sounds like spin to me. I'd expect to see sequestration used to sell the idea and then some backpedalling as the industry moves to cut costs. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. To you, I suppose it would sound like spin. Something just made up last month by right-wing spinsters, right? If that is your view, it is totally uniformed. I dealt professionally with CO2 sequestration and its pricing 15 years ago. And even then, it was an old, established approach to GCC. Perhaps read a bit on this new concept, obviously (to you and the guys on the grassy knoll) manufactured just for spin. http://www.google.com/search?q=carbon+sequestrationstart=0ie=utf-8oe=utf-8client=firefox-arls=org.mozilla:en-US:official Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Coral blight bad news for health of oceans
Florida coral battered by hurricanes and disease By Laura Myers (Reuters) In the azure waters of Florida's remote Dry Tortugas National Park, corals have been toppled by hurricanes and blighted by disease and a phenomenon known as bleaching. Eight hurricanes in two years and a plague of disease that swept the Caribbean recently have damaged the colorful, thick carpets of open- water coral reefs in the 100-square-mile (260-sq-km) park off Florida's southwest coast. With another hurricane season under way and diseases such as white plague getting an early start this year, scientists surveying the reef expressed heightened concern for the fragile corals, which are important nurseries and habitats for marine life and harbingers of the health of the seas Researchers are sounding dire warnings about the health of the world's coral reefs. The reef running alongside the 110-mile (177-km) Florida Keys island chain is North America's only barrier reef and the world's third longest. The Tortugas Ecological Reserve was created in 2001 by the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary as the largest U.S. permanent reserve where all fishing and removal of coral is banned. At the time, it was considered to contain some of the nation's healthiest coral. But 10 percent to 12 percent of the corals surveyed appear to be diseased compared to only 1 percent to 2 percent in 2001, said researcher Dione Swanson. The affected corals include star, brain, elkhorn and staghorn corals, the primary reef builders critical to the health of the habitat Coral bleaching, a malady that has swept Florida, Caribbean and Australian reefs in the last year, whitens and weakens coral and is blamed on unusually warm water that some scientists attribute to global warming Reef Relief, a non-profit Florida Keys environmental group, began warning of the reef's demise in 1987. It blames the damage on a lack of effective federal protection, global warming, agricultural pollution runoff from the Florida Everglades and cruise ship sewage Read more at: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060705/us_nm/environment_coral_dc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: I noted yesterday yahoo is messing up big time on its web-site -- for me at least. Lost threads, wrong names on posts in index, three month old posts listed first, etc. I logged on on a second PC, and the web-site interface is just fine. Anyone else notice this? I'm seeing *responses* to months-old posts (just from Vaj, I think), but not the posts themselves. Vaj's responses have the current date, but I don't know whether that's part of the glitch, or just that he's replying to the old posts without realizing they're old. That would appear to point to a virus on one PC and not the other. What browser(s) are you running, what version(s), and on what OS? Have you emptied the browser cache on the PC that's giving you trouble? I heard there is a new yahoo virus, but it effects e-mails, not groups. Though since posts are via e-mail, perhaps the virus spills over to the interface. I ran an anti-virus program (Avast) and cleared the cache. I still have the same problem. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: I noted yesterday yahoo is messing up big time on its web-site - - for me at least. Lost threads, wrong names on posts in index, three month old posts listed first, etc. I logged on on a second PC, and the web-site interface is just fine. Anyone else notice this? I'm seeing *responses* to months-old posts (just from Vaj, I think), but not the posts themselves. Vaj's responses have the current date, but I don't know whether that's part of the glitch, or just that he's replying to the old posts without realizing they're old. That would appear to point to a virus on one PC and not the other. What browser(s) are you running, what version(s), and on what OS? Have you emptied the browser cache on the PC that's giving you trouble? I heard there is a new yahoo virus, but it effects e-mails, not groups. Though since posts are via e-mail, perhaps the virus spills over to the interface. I ran an anti-virus program (Avast) and cleared the cache. I still have the same problem. What browser(s) are you running, what version(s), and on what OS(s)? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Carbon Sequestration is the Key
On Jul 5, 2006, at 11:22 AM, new.morning wrote:HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. To you, I suppose it would sound like spin. Something just made up last month by right-wing spinsters, right? If that is your view, it is totally uniformed. I dealt professionally with CO2 sequestration and its pricing 15 years ago. And even then, it was an old, established approach to GCC. Perhaps read a bit on this "new" concept, obviously (to you and the guys on the grassy knoll) manufactured just for spin. Well in the kyoto protocols the whole 'carbon sink as forests' idea was considered rather controversial. Unless somethings changed why should I see it as anything different than then?http://www.sinkswatch.org/ __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think coal will ever replace oil. Everybody knows the effect coal had in creating acid rain and deforestation around the world. However it will still be used at current levels and maybe a little higher or at least until there is a technology to burn significantly cleaner. The NY times article that Bob linked to, http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/business/05coalfuel.html I mainly about turning coal into liquid and gaseous fuels. Not burning it directly. I think most of the acid rain is caused by sulferous emmissions. The sulfer can be recovered in the processes being used to turn coal into automotive and heating fuel and sold for other uses. Appearantly, from the article they can currently produce diesel fuel from coal at 1/4 the cost of fuel from petroleum. That's why business is starting to do it. They are even using old fertilizer plants to do it. Natural gas is running out so the gas-to- fertilizer plants are becoming non-cost effective. They are being turned into coal liquification plants without excessive modification. Coal gasification is also an old technology. They used to have a plant right here in Fairfield. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: I noted yesterday yahoo is messing up big time on its web-site - - for me at least. Lost threads, wrong names on posts in index, three month old posts listed first, etc. I logged on on a second PC, and the web-site interface is just fine. Anyone else notice this? I'm seeing *responses* to months-old posts (just from Vaj, I think), but not the posts themselves. Vaj's responses have the current date, but I don't know whether that's part of the glitch, or just that he's replying to the old posts without realizing they're old. That would appear to point to a virus on one PC and not the other. What browser(s) are you running, what version(s), and on what OS? Have you emptied the browser cache on the PC that's giving you trouble? I heard there is a new yahoo virus, but it effects e-mails, not groups. Though since posts are via e-mail, perhaps the virus spills over to the interface. I ran an anti-virus program (Avast) and cleared the cache. I still have the same problem. What browser(s) are you running, what version(s), and on what OS(s)? Mozilla Foxfire 1.5.04 Win XP Pro with service packs I am trying PC HOMECALL AV. any other free av favs? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying PC HOMECALL AV. any other free av favs? http://free.grisoft.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Carbon Sequestration is the Key
In a message dated 7/5/06 10:23:31 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. To you, I suppose it would sound like spin. Somethingjust made up last month by right-wing spinsters, right? If that isyour view, it is totally uniformed. I dealt professionally with CO2sequestration and its pricing 15 years ago. And even then, it was anold, established approach to GCC. Perhaps read a bit on this "new" concept, obviously (to you and theguys on the grassy knoll) manufactured just for spin I knew there had been big improvements in burning coal cleaner, but didn't realize it had been so much. Unfortunately many other countries must not be using that technology. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: I am trying PC HOMECALL AV. any other free av favs? http://free.grisoft.com/ They point to AVG. Which I find is what PC homecall uses. I am running it now.Unfortunately, it is supper sensitive, identifying mundane dialers and all in lots of freeware etc. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Carbon Sequestration is the Key
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 5, 2006, at 11:22 AM, new.morning wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. To you, I suppose it would sound like spin. Something just made up last month by right-wing spinsters, right? If that is your view, it is totally uniformed. I dealt professionally with CO2 sequestration and its pricing 15 years ago. And even then, it was an old, established approach to GCC. Perhaps read a bit on this new concept, obviously (to you and the guys on the grassy knoll) manufactured just for spin. Well in the kyoto protocols the whole 'carbon sink as forests' So does that imply that all the other carbon sequestion / sink technologies / methods other than forests are fine with you? As they appear to be with most climate scientists? (Forests are onlyone offour major sinks.) What is your specific issue with forests? As the SinkWatch group, whose cite is your primary reply against sinks states, Forests, soils, oceans and the atmosphere all store carbon, which moves among those different carbon pools over time; these four different carbon stores form the active carbon pool. If one of these pools absorbs more carbon than it gives off, it is called a 'sink' in the climate jargon, while a source emits more than it absorbs. Destroying forests - turning them from a sink into a source - will shift the balance within the active carbon pool towards higher concentrations in the atmosphere and lower levels of carbon stored in the world's forests, but it will not increase the overall amount of carbon that interacts with the atmosphere. Another important carbon store are the world's fossil fuel deposits. But this particular carbon store, buried deep inside the earth, is naturally separated from the carbon cycling in the atmosphere, unless humans decide to release it into the atmosphere when we burn fossil fuels like coal, oil or natural gas. Any releases from this pool of carbon will increase the amount of carbon available to the active carbon pool. This is the crucial difference overlooked by those who advocate carbon sink credits to halt climate change. There keypoint is obvious: Any releases from this pool of carbon will increase the amount of carbon available to the active carbon pool. Not a particularly profound insight. Everyone knows that if you reforest an area, increasing carbon sinks, and then burn the wood, it is no longer a sink. If you leave it as a forest, it remains a carbon sink. Or even if you lumber the wood, its a carbon sink until the wood decays -- perhaps centuries away. While Sinkwatch raises this as apparently their sole concern about the chemical / biological aspects of forest sinks, (and forest sinks are only one of four major classes of sinks,with many sequestration available within eachsink), they raise no examples of the any releases from this forest pools of carbon. Their argument is theoretical, obvious, and not a substantive (or meant to be so, I presume) argument against reforestation. Sink Watch's other concern are the current accounting methods used for carbon credits bought by Kyoto signers to meet their pledges. Of course there are going to be issues, problems and need for refinement in any new accounting and trading system, particularly for new commodity never yet traded in world markets. That hardly implies that the overall approached is fatally flawed. I applaud the role of SinkWatch in monitoring the carbon sequestration industry and credits trading markets for shortcomings and abuses. The aim of SinksWatch is to track and scrutinize carbon sequestration projects related to the Kyoto Protocol, and to highlight their threats to forests and other ecosystems, to forest peoples as well as to the climate. Thats how problems are fixed and systems grow stronger. Their site, your post's sole cite, allegedly against sinks, provides no flaws of great substance - that is things that cannot be corrected. No fatal flaws. Their major concern appears to be that ONLY sequestration will be used, and energy-efficiency and substitution initiatives will be stopped. Thats not going to happen. Nor is it desirable. We need to bapears tourn the candle of atmospheric carbon and global climate change from both ends. So Vaj, do you actually have any issues of substance - those that cannot be corrected, those that are inherently fatal flaws, in either the science or trading aspects of carbon sequestration? Or is it just all squabbling about not liking this or that (correctable) detail? I read your cite. Did you read my 10 + cites? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: I noted yesterday yahoo is messing up big time on its web- site - - for me at least. Lost threads, wrong names on posts in index, three month old posts listed first, etc. I logged on on a second PC, and the web-site interface is just fine. Anyone else notice this? I'm seeing *responses* to months-old posts (just from Vaj, I think), but not the posts themselves. Vaj's responses have the current date, but I don't know whether that's part of the glitch, or just that he's replying to the old posts without realizing they're old. That would appear to point to a virus on one PC and not the other. What browser(s) are you running, what version(s), and on what OS? Have you emptied the browser cache on the PC that's giving you trouble? I heard there is a new yahoo virus, but it effects e-mails, not groups. Though since posts are via e-mail, perhaps the virus spills over to the interface. I ran an anti-virus program (Avast) and cleared the cache. I still have the same problem. What browser(s) are you running, what version(s), and on what OS(s)? Mozilla Foxfire 1.5.04 Win XP Pro with service packs On both systems, the one that shows you the Web interface correctly and the one that doesn't? I am trying PC HOMECALL AV. any other free av favs? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those of you who believe in global warming
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/4/06 8:34:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One quite plausible result will be the loss of most coastal cities, I believe. I would most certainly describe that as ArmageddenI would most ce Lets see, Boston ,New York, D.C.,Miami, New Orleans, Houston, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Seattle , oh lets through in Chicago. Aren't these the backbone of the Democratic party? What a dreary world this would be with nothing but Republicans. Oh I forgot, God is supposed to lift them naked to heaven. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: I noted yesterday yahoo is messing up big time on its web- site - - for me at least. Lost threads, wrong names on posts in index, three month old posts listed first, etc. I logged on on a second PC, and the web-site interface is just fine. Anyone else notice this? I'm seeing *responses* to months-old posts (just from Vaj, I think), but not the posts themselves. Vaj's responses have the current date, but I don't know whether that's part of the glitch, or just that he's replying to the old posts without realizing they're old. That would appear to point to a virus on one PC and not the other. What browser(s) are you running, what version(s), and on what OS? Have you emptied the browser cache on the PC that's giving you trouble? I heard there is a new yahoo virus, but it effects e-mails, not groups. Though since posts are via e-mail, perhaps the virus spills over to the interface. I ran an anti-virus program (Avast) and cleared the cache. I still have the same problem. What browser(s) are you running, what version(s), and on what OS(s)? Mozilla Foxfire 1.5.04 Win XP Pro with service packs On both systems, the one that shows you the Web interface correctly and the one that doesn't? basically. Its xp home on the PC without the problem. I am trying PC HOMECALL AV. any other free av favs? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Carbon Sequestration is the Key
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/5/06 10:23:31 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. To you, I suppose it would sound like spin. Something just made up last month by right-wing spinsters, right? If that is your view, it is totally uniformed. I dealt professionally with CO2 sequestration and its pricing 15 years ago. And even then, it was an old, established approach to GCC. Perhaps read a bit on this new concept, obviously (to you and the guys on the grassy knoll) manufactured just for spin I knew there had been big improvements in burning coal cleaner, but didn't realize it had been so much. Unfortunately many other countries must not be using that technology. Well the scrubbing of traditional pollutants has improved a lot in the last 10 years. While new plants can use such, most coal plants were built prior to this newer technology. And some countries,India and China for example, may not wish to pay the price premium for this newer technology, even for new plants. As far as direct co2 sequestration during coal generation (or gasification) its only being used in smaller-scale and experimental facilities ar this point. But apparently is doing the sequestering (underground) at a reasonably low price. If coal and oil were priced to reflect the correct price signal, total social and explicit costs, then such currently available scrubbing of traditional pollutants and sequestering of CO2, would be paid for by consumers / end-users. And retirement of older more polluting plants would be accelerated. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Inositol: OCD, Coffee Depletion Antidote Serotonin and Alertness Enhancer
Look up metabolic typing, fast oxidizer on the web. There is a whole vitamin set for fast oxidizers not just one vitamin. A former TM teacher Bill Walcott wrote a book on metabolic typing and runs www.healthexcel.com . Many boomers are fast oxidizers. Both choline and inositol play an important role in normalizing the oxidation rate. To some extent I find that ashwanganda has the similar effect of choline/inositol. Perhaps there may be a molecular similarity. new.morning wrote: Inositol: OCD, Coffee Depletion Antidote Serotonin and Alertness Enhancer Spraig -- Have you tried high doses of inositol for OCD? Like .5-2 grams 2-3 x day? Following are some studies and links. While I have been aware of inositol as a b vit for many years, it was about5 years ago I came across high doses as a remedy for coffee let down. Coffee depletes inositol and thus rebuilding the supply lets coffee provide its buzz with less or no let down later. I found it effective. And found I simply felt great after taking it. (Powder form, tasteless, mixed in water or juice or anything.) I further studied and found it enhances the activity of serotonin -- the neurotransmittor driving moods and depression -- as well as other things -- thus explaining the mood normalization effects. I come and go with using it. Just came across a half pound bottle I bought a while back -- over the counter at any health food store. Have used it over the past week and forgot the definitite bump in awakefulness, alertness and mood it provide3s. I just came across this article on inositiol and OCD. Thought you might be interested if you are not already aware of it. At about the same time, (September, 1996) a double-blind placebo-controlled study on the use of high doses of inositol was published in the American Journal of Psychiatry. The study was conducted by Dr. Mendel Fux and colleagues in Israel. Although it was only a small study involving thirteen individuals, inositol was found to have a significant effect upon the symptoms of OCD. It was shown to work as well and as quickly as the SSRIs Prozac and Luvox. http://www.homestead.com/westsuffolkpsych/Inositol.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inositol http://www.biopsychiatry.com/inos.htm http://www.biopsychiatry.com/inositoldep.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
In a message dated 7/5/06 10:53:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: I don't think coal will ever replace oil. Everybody knows the effect coal had in creating acid rain and deforestation around the world. However it will still be used at current levels and maybe a little higher or at least until there is a technology to burn significantly cleaner.The NY times article that Bob linked to,http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/business/05coalfuel.htmlI mainly about turning coal into liquid and gaseous fuels. Not burning it directly.I think most of the acid rain is caused by sulferous emmissions. The sulfer can be recovered in the processes being used to turn coal into automotive and heating fuel and sold for other uses. Appearantly, from the article they can currently produce diesel fuel from coal at 1/4 the cost of fuel from petroleum. That's why business is starting to do it. They are even using old fertilizer plants to do it. Natural gas is running out so the gas-to-fertilizer plants are becoming non-cost effective. They are being turned into coal liquification plants without excessive modification. Coal gasification is also an old technology. They used to have a plant right here in Fairfield. Amazing what economic factors can do in the development of energy. And the United States has enormous coal reserves. Couple that with other promising technologies in the pipe line, I think there is a brighter day ahead. All we have to do is make industry aware of the desire for cleaner and more efficient energy sources. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Carbon Sequestration is the Key
On Jul 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 5, 2006, at 11:22 AM, new.morning wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. To you, I suppose it would sound like spin. Something just made up last month by right-wing spinsters, right? If that is your view, it is totally uniformed. I dealt professionally with CO2 sequestration and its pricing 15 years ago. And even then, it was an old, established approach to GCC. Perhaps read a bit on this "new" concept, obviously (to you and the guys on the grassy knoll) manufactured just for spin.Well in the kyoto protocols the whole 'carbon sink as forests' So does that imply that all the other carbon sequestion / sink technologies / methods other than forests are fine with you? As they appear to be with most climate scientists? (Forests are onlyone offour major sinks.) What is your specific issue with forests? It's not just forests, it's that a sink gives an excuse to emit even more emissions. For every ton of carbon stored in a carbon sink, the Kyoto Protocol allows the release of an additional ton of carbon from fossil fuel!Makes me wonder if, like our national energy policy, this was also written by the energy industry!"The argument to use carbon sink credits to halt climate change is thus based on the faulty assumption that 'carbon is carbon', an assumption that ignores the different interactions of the carbon with the atmosphere, depending on where the carbon is stored."In addition to this basic fallacy, there are further flaws of the concept once we look more closely at the Kyoto Protocol itself. These include the carbon accounting framework of the Kyoto Protocol and environmental and social shortcomings.The following reports also provide additional information about the problems associated with carbon sinks accounting:The role of land carbon sinks in mitigating global climate change. The Royal Society. Policy Document 10/01. http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/files/statfiles/document-150.pdfFull Carbon Account for Russia IIASA Interim Report IR-00-02. http://www.iiasa.ac.at/Publications/Documents/IR-00-021.pdfTaking Credit. http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Publications/Climate_Change_Reports/default.asp#TakingSinks in the Kyoto Protocol: A dirty deal for forests, forest peoples and the climate http://www.fern.org/pubs/briefs/sinks2.pdfThe Carbon Shop: Planting new problems http://www.wrm.org.uy/plantations/material/carbon.html __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Peak Oil
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/5/06 10:53:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , MDixon6569@, MDi I don't think coal will ever replace oil. Everybody knows the effect coal had in creating acid rain and deforestation around the world. However it will still be used at current levels and maybe a little higher or at least until there is a technology to burn significantly cleaner. The NY times article that Bob linked to, _http://www.nytimes.http://wwhttp://www.nytihttp://www.http_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/business/05coalfuel.html) I mainly about turning coal into liquid and gaseous fuels. Not burning it directly. I think most of the acid rain is caused by sulferous emmissions. The sulfer can be recovered in the processes being used to turn coal into automotive and heating fuel and sold for other uses. Appearantly, from the article they can currently produce diesel fuel from coal at 1/4 the cost of fuel from petroleum. That's why business is starting to do it. They are even using old fertilizer plants to do it. Natural gas is running out so the gas-to- fertilizer plants are becoming non-cost effective. They are being turned into coal liquification plants without excessive modification. Coal gasification is also an old technology. They used to have a plant right here in Fairfield. Amazing what economic factors can do in the development of energy. And the United States has enormous coal reserves. Couple that with other promising technologies in the pipe line, I think there is a brighter day ahead. All we have to do is make industry aware of the desire for cleaner and more efficient energy sources. Price energy to reflect its full explicit and social cost, thus sending the correct price signal to markets, will change demand overnight -- and suppliers will get the message loud and clear. Markets respond to very quickly to prices. Markets are quite efficient when correct price signals are sent. Markets screw up when full costs are not reflected in prices. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Offset your emissions
This should be internalized into the price of gas to send the correct price signal -- essential for effective markets. But in the meantime, you can personally sequester your emissions. Here is an example from Austraila for cars. Many other such firms exist or are being formed. Not to personally vouch for this company -- some such undoubtedly are scams or have ample room for improvment. But the market, and regulation, will weed such out. The overall science, concept and practices are all quite doable. Carbon Credit Packages We offer a range of packages that enable you to offset specific events and activities on a one-off basis. Starter Pack If you're not ready to order a subscription, you can order a starter pack which contains two carbon credits (offsetting two tonnes of CO2 emissions) and some more information on subscriptions and other options. This is a great option for those who want to see how they feel when they buy carbon credits and to think about the issue some more. AU$50. Car Offset your car for a year. The average Australian car emits about five tonnes of CO2 per year. So this is a five tonne package. AU$100. About $US 133. http://www.carbonplanet.com/home/shop_packages.php Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Carbon Sequestration is the Key
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 5, 2006, at 12:36 PM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 5, 2006, at 11:22 AM, new.morning wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. To you, I suppose it would sound like spin. Something just made up last month by right-wing spinsters, right? If that is your view, it is totally uniformed. I dealt professionally with CO2 sequestration and its pricing 15 years ago. And even then, it was an old, established approach to GCC. Perhaps read a bit on this new concept, obviously (to you and the guys on the grassy knoll) manufactured just for spin. Well in the kyoto protocols the whole 'carbon sink as forests' So does that imply that all the other carbon sequestion / sink technologies / methods other than forests are fine with you? As they appear to be with most climate scientists? (Forests are onlyone offour major sinks.) What is your specific issue with forests? It's not just forests, it's that a sink gives an excuse to emit even more emissions. For every ton of carbon stored in a carbon sink, the Kyoto Protocol allows the release of an additional ton of carbon from fossil fuel! Well, not exactly Vaj. The reduced carbon levels need to be met. After that yes. So what. Stabilizing carbon at acceptable levels is a good thing. And Kyoto is not perfect. Its a first step. However, if one were to imply sequestering of carbon has a fatal flaw because an inital CGC treaty has flaws, the arguement would be so specious, such a sequestering non-sequitar, the laughter would blow alot of atmospheric carbon to the moon. I would be surprised if you raised it. You must be implying otherwise. Makes me wonder if, like our national energy policy, this was also written by the energy industry! The argument to use carbon sink credits to halt climate change is thus based on the faulty assumption that 'carbon is carbon', an assumption that ignores the different interactions of the carbon with the atmosphere, depending on where the carbon is stored. And when are you going to make a point of substance? I already quoted that to you. Saying its obvious. And that the group has not cited any reforestation project that has released its carbon. What would that be Vaj? It would mean burning down the forest. Can you cite any CO2 sequestration reforestation projects that ahve been bruned doswn. there are further flaws of the concept once we look more closely at the Kyoto Protocol itself. Duh. Its a compromise agreement. Lots of room for improvement. See above -- do flaws in Kyoto make sequestering CO2 invalid? What a joke. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Throw the Baby Out With the Bathwater?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are further flaws of the concept once we look more closely at the Kyoto Protocol itself. These include the carbon accounting framework of the Kyoto Protocol and environmental and social shortcomings. Due to these (fixable) flaws, are you implying that you advocate that all signers of the Kyoto treaty disavow it? Are you siding with US policy not to sign it? Are you against international action to improve the historic carbon balance? Are you suggesting and advocating that we throw the baby out with the bathwater? Or are you simply implying that because Kyoto, as any treaty or contract has flaws, that efforts should be made to fix them? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Kyoto Protocol
There appears to be a lack of understanding of what the Kyoto Protocol is and does. Hopefully some reading will help. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_protocol At its heart, Kyoto establishes the following principles: * Kyoto is underwritten by governments and is governed by global legislation enacted under the UN's aegis * Governments are separated into two general categories: developed countries, referred to as Annex 1 countries (who have accepted strict GHG emission reduction obligations); and developing countries, referred to as Non-Annex 1 countries (who have no GHG emission reduction obligations) * Any Annex 1 entity failing to meet its Kyoto targets is subject to a fine and further penalised by having its reduction targets increased by 30% * By 2008, Annex 1 countries have to reduce their GHG emissions to around 5% below their 1990 levels (for many countries such as the EU members that corresponds to some 15% below their expected GHG emissions in 2008) * Kyoto includes linking mechanisms which allow Annex 1 economies to meet their GHG targets by purchasing GHG emission reductions from elsewhere. These can be bought either from financial exchanges (such as the new EU Emissions Trading Scheme) or directly from Non-Annex 1 economies on a private basis The objective is the stabilization of greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere at a level that would prevent dangerous anthropogenic interference with the climate system UNFCCC-2. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has predicted an average global rise in temperature of 1.4°C (2.5°F) to 5.8 °C (10.4°F) between 1990 and 2100 (see report). Current estimates indicate that even if successfully and completely implemented, the Kyoto Protocol will reduce that increase by somewhere between 0.02 °C and 0.28 °C by the year 2050 (source: Nature, October 2003). Proponents also note that Kyoto is a first step Ucar.edu, as requirements to meet the UNFCCC will be modified until the objective is met, as required by UNFCCC Article 4.2(d).UNFCCC-4 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: I noted yesterday yahoo is messing up big time on its web- site - - for me at least. Lost threads, wrong names on posts in index, three month old posts listed first, etc. I logged on on a second PC, and the web-site interface is just fine. Anyone else notice this? I'm seeing *responses* to months-old posts (just from Vaj, I think), but not the posts themselves. Vaj's responses have the current date, but I don't know whether that's part of the glitch, or just that he's replying to the old posts without realizing they're old. That would appear to point to a virus on one PC and not the other. What browser(s) are you running, what version(s), and on what OS? Have you emptied the browser cache on the PC that's giving you trouble? I heard there is a new yahoo virus, but it effects e-mails, not groups. Though since posts are via e-mail, perhaps the virus spills over to the interface. I ran an anti-virus program (Avast) and cleared the cache. I still have the same problem. What browser(s) are you running, what version(s), and on what OS(s)? Mozilla Foxfire 1.5.04 Win XP Pro with service packs On both systems, the one that shows you the Web interface correctly and the one that doesn't? basically. Its xp home on the PC without the problem. If you are logging into the site to post Yahoo is most likely saving your settings in cookies. Your regular set is on one machine and when you go to machine you've never logged into the group with it is saving a different set of cookies. I prefer using email but I guess some users don't want Rick to know their IP address. :) I am trying PC HOMECALL AV. any other free av favs? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Carbon Sequestration is the Key
In a message dated 7/5/06 12:06:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And some countries,India andChina for example, may not wish to pay the price premium for thisnewer technology, even for new plants. Mexico also. I had family living in El Paso in the 80's and they said the pollution from Mexican coal burning plants in Juarez was stifling. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Carbon Sequestration is the Key
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/5/06 12:06:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And some countries,India and China for example, may not wish to pay the price premium for this newer technology, even for new plants. Mexico also. I had family living in El Paso in the 80's and they said the pollution from Mexican coal burning plants in Juarez was stifling. Of course, in the 80's everything was dirty. This current relevant question is whether new plants going on line NOW going to use the available (and more costly) scrubbers and sequesters. And when energy is priced to reflect its full social and explicit cost, high polluting existing plants will be retired early (too expensive to pay for offsets) and new efficient low pollution ones will be built in their place. And Kyoto is a huge step in that direction. By both requiring reductions to below 1990 levels, AND allowing trading of carbon credits, it helps enable a market price for carbon. Which, next step, can be directly incorporated into the price of gas, as and when oil suppliers are required to pay for carbon offsets. Then we get three great things: 1) carbon emissions are fixed at below 1990 levels 2) a market price is set for carbon and set into the ened-use price of gas and all fuels 3) the above correct price signal will reduce consumption and promote investment energy efficiency at all levels -- builidngs, homes, industrial processses and transporetation. Why people are bashing Kyoto is almost incomprehensible -- other than they know little of what they speak. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
I've been having nothing but trouble with Yahoo, It is getting worse and worse. My email now tries to load something which my security software stops, not allowing my mail to load. The same with these groups which I read on line rather than by email. I plan to drop my Yahoo mail. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noted yesterday yahoo is messing up big time on its web-site -- for me at least. Lost threads, wrong names on posts in index, three month old posts listed first, etc. I logged on on a second PC, and the web-site interface is just fine. Anyone else notice this? That would appear to point to a virus on one PC and not the other. I heard there is a new yahoo virus, but it effects e-mails, not groups. Though since posts are via e-mail, perhaps the virus spills over to the interface. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Carbon Sequestration is the Key
On Jul 5, 2006, at 2:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 7/5/06 12:06:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:And some countries,India andChina for example, may not wish to pay the price premium for thisnewer technology, even for new plants. Mexico also. I had family living in El Paso in the 80's and they said the pollution from Mexican coal burning plants in Juarez was stifling. Also, look at any picture of Chinese industry and they look like Pittsburgh, PA in the 40's. Scary. And it will only get worse as these countries inherit our old technologies. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Carbon Sequestration is the Key
In a message dated 7/5/06 1:49:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why people are bashing Kyoto is almost incomprehensible -- other thanthey know little of what they speak. Because the worlds worst polluters are exempted from cleaning up their pollution. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been having nothing but trouble with Yahoo, It is getting worse and worse. I'm having no problems at all with Yahoo. Not with the FFL web interface. Not with Yahoo mail, which I access with both a browser and YahooPOPs ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/yahoopops/ ). My email now tries to load something which my security software stops, not allowing my mail to load. The same with these groups which I read on line rather than by email. I plan to drop my Yahoo mail. Would your security software be a Norton product by chance? I have a friend who insists on using Norton Firewall but is frequently bitching about how it won't let certain web pages load correctly. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip What browser(s) are you running, what version(s), and on what OS(s)? Mozilla Foxfire 1.5.04 Win XP Pro with service packs On both systems, the one that shows you the Web interface correctly and the one that doesn't? basically. Its xp home on the PC without the problem. Has to be something to do with different settings on the different systems. Really doesn't sound like a virus-type effect. Are your security settings the same on both machines? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Throw the Baby Out With the Bathwater?
On Jul 5, 2006, at 2:03 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are further flaws of the concept once we look more closely at the Kyoto Protocol itself. These include the carbon accounting framework of the Kyoto Protocol and environmental and social shortcomings. Due to these (fixable) flaws, are you implying that you advocate that all signers of the Kyoto treaty disavow it? Are you siding with US policy not to sign it? Are you against international action to improve the historic carbon balance?Improve yes, not start a carbon commodity market that will benefit the same corps that caused the problem in the first place. Duh. Are you suggesting and advocating that we throw the baby out with the bathwater?No, I like babies. Or are you simply implying that because Kyoto, as any treaty or contract has flaws, that efforts should be made to fix them? Of course they should--but we need to also transition to cleaner fuels and not use these technologies as an excuse to sustain our over dependence on fossil fuels. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Carbon Sequestration is the Key
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/5/06 1:49:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why people are bashing Kyoto is almost incomprehensible -- other than they know little of what they speak. Because the worlds worst polluters are exempted from cleaning up their pollution. Well I was referring to people on the list. While i wish all nations ratified it, the Protocols as ratified by 163 countries is a huge first step towards all nations ratifying it or similar next gneration GHG agreements. And and worlds worst polluter is not exempted from cleaning up their pollution per se. The US refused to ratify it after signing it. China and India have the potential to be the largest, but at .76 and .29 tons of carbon emissions per capita they have a long way to go to gain the black distinction of exceeding the US at 5.37 Does a 5-15 year dealy in China and India agreeing to such accords worth throwing the baby out with the bath water? (Indeed CI may be forced into it earlier by market pressure -- that is world markets refuse to by non-carbon compensated goods.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Throw the Baby Out With the Bathwater?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or are you simply implying that because Kyoto, as any treaty or contract has flaws, that efforts should be made to fix them? Of course they should--but we need to also transition to cleaner fuels and not use these technologies as an excuse to sustain our over dependence on fossil fuels. Ok so as long as people and corporations sequester carbon emissions AND reduce carbon emissions below current levels, or lets say 1990 levels, -- which reduces our dependence on fossil fuels, plus mechanims that help to raise the price of fuels to reflect the full environmental and social costs of fuel consumption,thus promoting higher efficiency and lower consumption of fossil fuels -- are all good things, RIGHT? THATS WHAT KYOTO DOES! Including its emissions trading mechanism. What delusions are you suffering that makes you think otherwise! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Yogic flying ???
As I'm sure any of the psychologists on the list who have worked with EEG biofeedback can attest, and I also have personal experience with, a scalp electrode to provide brainwave feedback only measures a tiny electrical impulse. Any movement or even blinking the eyes will interfere with the accuracy of the reading. How can the TMO results showing maximum brainwave coherence (which is a Fourier Analysis of the outputs) while flying be possible. The movement would destroy the data output??? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Free CCP, Book signing
WOW! __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___ ---BeginMessage--- 1. Guru Purnima Week: Fee for WPA Reduced, CCP Free 2. Dr. Schneider to Offer Book Signing During Artwalk 1. Guru Purnima Week: Fee for WPA Reduced, CCP Free Maharishi has said that in any country where the national Super Radiance numbers are achieved by Guru Purnima, he will connect to the group by live conference calls daily. The U.S. requirement is 1750 Yogic Flyers, a number which we hope to achieve during the week of Guru Purnima and thereafter. To assist in reaching the goal of fulfilling Maharishi's desire for gaining the U.S. Super Radiance number, thereby insuring the invincibility of our nation, Maharishi University of Management is offering: The Guru Purnima WPA from July 8th through July 15th at a reduced fee of $300.00. From July 8th through July 15th TSR and CCP stickers at no charge to all in town and out of town Governors and Sidhas. During the week of July 16th through the 23rd, TSR and CCP stickers will be issued at no charge to all out of town Dome registrants. Please note: Dome attendance requires applying through the Department for the Development of Consciousness (641-472-1212). Also, we are trying to accommodate visitors from outside Fairfield who wish to join us in program. There is a shortage of campus housing. Therefore we ask that, if you can offer room(s) in your home for a fee or at no charge, from July 8th to July 15th and possibly through the end of July, please contact the Department for the Development of Consciousness at 641-472-1212 or email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please include whether you can accommodate ladies and/or men, children and pets. Please pass this information to your friends. Jai Guru Dev The Department for the Development of Consciousness 641-472-1212 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. Dr. Schneider to Offer Book Signing During Artwalk Robert Schneider, M.D. director of the NIH-funded Institute for Natural Medicine and Prevention and professor of Physiology and Health at Maharishi University of Management, is the author of the recently published book Total Heart Health: How to Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease with the Maharishi Vedic Approach to Health. More than twenty years of scientific research and clinical experience are documented in Total Heart Health. This important book will teach you how to slow or reverse heart disease, hypertension, stress, and other risk factors. If you are one of the 150 million Americans who suffer from heart disease or one of its major risk factors, such as high blood pressure, high cholesterol, obesity, or stress, this book is for you. Whether you want to prevent this debilitating and possibly deadly condition or reverse it in yourself or a loved one, this book will offer you a completely new understanding and practical approach that will create a major transformation in your health and total well-being. Dr. Schneider will be autographing copies of his book at 21st Century Books Gifts during the July Art Walk Friday, July 7th, from 8:00 - 9:30 p.m. *** DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS is a moderated list that distributes announcements to the Maharishi University of Management community. Send your announcements to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Encourage your friends to sign up for DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS. Send an e-mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and put the word subscribe (without the quotation marks) in the body of the message. To stop receiving DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS, send an e-mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type the word unsubscribe (without the quotation marks) in the body of the message. ---End Message---
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Throw the Baby Out With the Bathwater?
On Jul 5, 2006, at 4:05 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or are you simply implying that because Kyoto, as any treaty or contract has flaws, that efforts should be made to fix them? Of course they should--but we need to also transition to cleaner fuels and not use these technologies as an excuse to sustain our over dependence on fossil fuels. Ok so as long as people and corporations sequester carbon emissions AND reduce carbon emissions below current levels, or lets say 1990 levels, -- which reduces our dependence on fossil fuels, plus mechanims that help to raise the price of fuels to reflect the full environmental and social costs of fuel consumption,thus promoting higher efficiency and lower consumption of fossil fuels -- are all good things, RIGHT? THATS WHAT KYOTO DOES! Including its emissions trading mechanism. What delusions are you suffering that makes you think otherwise! Hey dude, my state's already on the Regional Greenhouse Gas Incentive. Yours is not. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Grand Theft Loco
English teenager half inches a train's locomotive and then goes joy riding. This is being a scrote and living it with style. http://tinyurl.com/j8kus Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been having nothing but trouble with Yahoo, It is getting worse and worse. My email now tries to load something which my security software stops, not allowing my mail to load. The same with these groups which I read on line rather than by email. I plan to drop my Yahoo mail. There may in fact be a virus of some kind involved, but my bet is just on crappy software on the part of Yahoo. I think they've been working feverishly to try to repair a release that should never have been released, and changing things a mile a minute in their futile attempts to prove that they can program their way out of a paper bag. I suspect that the variances we saw on different machines over the last week when posting via the Web portal were caused not by a virus (although one may in fact be fucking with Yahoo! mail), but by Yahoo! chang- ing its cookie schema three or four times in fast succession, each patch release being incompatible with the previous one. In short, my bet is on sloppy programming on the part of Yahoo!, not some nefarious virus attack. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
could be, but similtaneosuly on two pcs (foxfire 1.5 and windows xp, cleared cache and cleared cookies, anti-virused), one pc is showing posts on website fine, the other is mixing order, attributing wrong authors, missing threads, etc. Shit, I figure it must be haliburton, the guy on the grassy knoll, and the pilot who didn't crash his plane into the pentagon. Ken Lay was going to be involved, but instead up and died today. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 no_reply@ wrote: I've been having nothing but trouble with Yahoo, It is getting worse and worse. My email now tries to load something which my security software stops, not allowing my mail to load. The same with these groups which I read on line rather than by email. I plan to drop my Yahoo mail. There may in fact be a virus of some kind involved, but my bet is just on crappy software on the part of Yahoo. I think they've been working feverishly to try to repair a release that should never have been released, and changing things a mile a minute in their futile attempts to prove that they can program their way out of a paper bag. I suspect that the variances we saw on different machines over the last week when posting via the Web portal were caused not by a virus (although one may in fact be fucking with Yahoo! mail), but by Yahoo! chang- ing its cookie schema three or four times in fast succession, each patch release being incompatible with the previous one. In short, my bet is on sloppy programming on the part of Yahoo!, not some nefarious virus attack. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been having nothing but trouble with Yahoo, It is getting worse and worse. My email now tries to load something which my security software stops, not allowing my mail to load. The same with these groups which I read on line rather than by email. I plan to drop my Yahoo mail. There may in fact be a virus of some kind involved, but my bet is just on crappy software on the part of Yahoo. I think they've been working feverishly to try to repair a release that should never have been released, and changing things a mile a minute in their futile attempts to prove that they can program their way out of a paper bag. I suspect that the variances we saw on different machines over the last week when posting via the Web portal were caused not by a virus (although one may in fact be fucking with Yahoo! mail), but by Yahoo! chang- ing its cookie schema three or four times in fast succession, each patch release being incompatible with the previous one. In short, my bet is on sloppy programming on the part of Yahoo!, not some nefarious virus attack. Yahoo like some of the SV companies when they get big start hiring people who lack experience because those with experience are harder to control. So they hire folks with nice degrees, newbies that easy to control, but not a clue on how to really put code together. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] France 1, Portugal 0
I just want you guys to know that pursuant to the FFL Posting Code article 4, section 3a, Thou shalt endeavor to be humble and not take credit for shit even when you know you're personally responsible for it, I shall not be claiming personal responsibility for France winning the World Cup, if and when they do. True, when I was living here in Montpellier, eight years ago, France won the World Cup. True, now that I'm living here again, they seem to be well on their way to winning the World Cup again. I mean, MUM scientists would probably see a one-to-one correlation between these events, but I shall endeavor not to point out this kinda stuff when France kicks the shit out of Italy in a few days. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 no_reply@ wrote: I've been having nothing but trouble with Yahoo, It is getting worse and worse. I'm having no problems at all with Yahoo. Not with the FFL web interface. Not with Yahoo mail, which I access with both a browser and YahooPOPs ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/yahoopops/ ). My email now tries to load something which my security software stops, not allowing my mail to load. The same with these groups which I read on line rather than by email. I plan to drop my Yahoo mail. Would your security software be a Norton product by chance? I have a friend who insists on using Norton Firewall but is frequently bitching about how it won't let certain web pages load correctly. Yep. I'm in the same boat with Alex- no problems, though their new Group message interface via browser is not as good as the one they had with regard to tracking threads... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying ???
--- johnlasher20002000 wrote: As I'm sure any of the psychologists on the list who have worked with EEG biofeedback can attest, and I also have personal experience with, a scalp electrode to provide brainwave feedback only measures a tiny electrical impulse. Any movement or even blinking the eyes will interfere with the accuracy of the reading. How can the TMO results showing maximum brainwave coherence (which is a Fourier Analysis of the outputs) while flying be possible. The movement would destroy the data output??? I recall this being discussed in the 1970s, but don't remember how it was addressed. The posters were titled something like maximum coherence at liftoff, language which suggests they took the reading in that initial nanosecond when the brain was coherent but the body had yet to lurch. How's that for a mushy, uninformative response? Would you ask David Orme-Johnson? The email address at his Truth About TM site is davidoj at gnt dot net. http://tinyurl.com/o9xgo Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
No Ken Lay is alive and well in the Bahamas. He shelled out a lot of money to fake his death. new.morning wrote: could be, but similtaneosuly on two pcs (foxfire 1.5 and windows xp, cleared cache and cleared cookies, anti-virused), one pc is showing posts on website fine, the other is mixing order, attributing wrong authors, missing threads, etc. Shit, I figure it must be haliburton, the guy on the grassy knoll, and the pilot who didn't crash his plane into the pentagon. Ken Lay was going to be involved, but instead up and died today. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 no_reply@ wrote: I've been having nothing but trouble with Yahoo, It is getting worse and worse. My email now tries to load something which my security software stops, not allowing my mail to load. The same with these groups which I read on line rather than by email. I plan to drop my Yahoo mail. There may in fact be a virus of some kind involved, but my bet is just on crappy software on the part of Yahoo. I think they've been working feverishly to try to repair a release that should never have been released, and changing things a mile a minute in their futile attempts to prove that they can program their way out of a paper bag. I suspect that the variances we saw on different machines over the last week when posting via the Web portal were caused not by a virus (although one may in fact be fucking with Yahoo! mail), but by Yahoo! chang- ing its cookie schema three or four times in fast succession, each patch release being incompatible with the previous one. In short, my bet is on sloppy programming on the part of Yahoo!, not some nefarious virus attack. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying ???
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I'm sure any of the psychologists on the list who have worked with EEG biofeedback can attest, and I also have personal experience with, a scalp electrode to provide brainwave feedback only measures a tiny electrical impulse. Any movement or even blinking the eyes will interfere with the accuracy of the reading. How can the TMO results showing maximum brainwave coherence (which is a Fourier Analysis of the outputs) while flying be possible. The movement would destroy the data output??? Probably those muscle artifacts have a characteristic signature which is ignored or minimized by the program which does the fast fourier analysis. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No Ken Lay is alive and well in the Bahamas. He shelled out a lot of money to fake his death. But I am sure you, the guy on the grassy knoll, and the ones who demolished the twin towers with explosives will hunt him down for us. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying ???
I recall this being discussed in the 1970s, but don't remember how it was addressed. The posters were titled something like maximum coherence at liftoff, language which suggests they took the reading in that initial nanosecond when the brain was coherent but the body had yet to lurch. Actually, I recall the claim as stating just prior to lift-off. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 no_reply@ wrote: I've been having nothing but trouble with Yahoo, It is getting worse and worse. I'm having no problems at all with Yahoo. Not with the FFL web interface. Not with Yahoo mail, which I access with both a browser and YahooPOPs ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/yahoopops/ ). My email now tries to load something which my security software stops, not allowing my mail to load. The same with these groups which I read on line rather than by email. I plan to drop my Yahoo mail. Would your security software be a Norton product by chance? I have a friend who insists on using Norton Firewall but is frequently bitching about how it won't let certain web pages load correctly. Yep. I'm in the same boat with Alex- no problems, though their new Group message interface via browser is not as good as the one they had with regard to tracking threads... Same here. They've fixed most of the early Web glitches, except for thread-tracking. At this point I can't even remember what was different. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying ???
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- johnlasher20002000 wrote: As I'm sure any of the psychologists on the list who have worked with EEG biofeedback can attest, and I also have personal experience with, a scalp electrode to provide brainwave feedback only measures a tiny electrical impulse. Any movement or even blinking the eyes will interfere with the accuracy of the reading. How can the TMO results showing maximum brainwave coherence (which is a Fourier Analysis of the outputs) while flying be possible. The movement would destroy the data output??? I recall this being discussed in the 1970s, but don't remember how it was addressed. The posters were titled something like maximum coherence at liftoff, language which suggests they took the reading in that initial nanosecond when the brain was coherent but the body had yet to lurch. That's my understanding as well. How's that for a mushy, uninformative response? Would you ask David Orme-Johnson? The email address at his Truth About TM site is davidoj at gnt dot net. http://tinyurl.com/o9xgo To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Yogic flying ???
I thought I had heard that rather than using the typical filtering to remove artifacts, they were even more conservative and only used data which had no motion artifact. On Jul 5, 2006, at 4:31 PM, johnlasher20002000 wrote:As I'm sure any of the psychologists on the list who have worked with EEG biofeedback can attest, and I also have personal experience with, a scalp electrode to provide brainwave feedback only measures a tiny electrical impulse. Any movement or even blinking the eyes will interfere with the accuracy of the reading. How can the TMO results showing maximum brainwave coherence (which is a Fourier Analysis of the outputs) while flying be possible. The movement would destroy the data output??? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No Ken Lay is alive and well in the Bahamas. He shelled out a lot of money to fake his death. But I am sure you, the guy on the grassy knoll, and the ones who demolished the twin towers with explosives will hunt him down for us. Sure we just use our remote viewing techniques. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Beyond Gurus book by Nancy Cooke de Herrera for sale or.....
Excellent condition, autographed by the author, if you're interested let me know and email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
new.morning wrote: could be, but similtaneosuly on two pcs (foxfire 1.5 and windows xp, cleared cache and cleared cookies, anti-virused), one pc is showing posts on website fine, the other is mixing order, attributing wrong authors, missing threads, etc. Shit, I figure it must be haliburton, the guy on the grassy knoll, and the pilot who didn't crash his plane into the pentagon. Ken Lay was going to be involved, but instead up and died today. BTW, I just heard on the radio that ex-Enron employees are holding parties across the country today. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 no_reply@ wrote: I've been having nothing but trouble with Yahoo, It is getting worse and worse. My email now tries to load something which my security software stops, not allowing my mail to load. The same with these groups which I read on line rather than by email. I plan to drop my Yahoo mail. There may in fact be a virus of some kind involved, but my bet is just on crappy software on the part of Yahoo. I think they've been working feverishly to try to repair a release that should never have been released, and changing things a mile a minute in their futile attempts to prove that they can program their way out of a paper bag. I suspect that the variances we saw on different machines over the last week when posting via the Web portal were caused not by a virus (although one may in fact be fucking with Yahoo! mail), but by Yahoo! chang- ing its cookie schema three or four times in fast succession, each patch release being incompatible with the previous one. In short, my bet is on sloppy programming on the part of Yahoo!, not some nefarious virus attack. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Beyond Gurus book for sale or free..
Anyone interested, I'd be happy to send it along provided postage is pre-paid, etc. I've read it and probably will not read it again. It is autographed by the author. BillyG. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
Many people were surprised Ken Lay actually had a heart. (bada-bing!) new.morning wrote: could be, but similtaneosuly on two pcs (foxfire 1.5 and windows xp, cleared cache and cleared cookies, anti-virused), one pc is showing posts on website fine, the other is mixing order, attributing wrong authors, missing threads, etc. Shit, I figure it must be haliburton, the guy on the grassy knoll, and the pilot who didn't crash his plane into the pentagon. Ken Lay was going to be involved, but instead up and died today. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 no_reply@ wrote: I've been having nothing but trouble with Yahoo, It is getting worse and worse. My email now tries to load something which my security software stops, not allowing my mail to load. The same with these groups which I read on line rather than by email. I plan to drop my Yahoo mail. There may in fact be a virus of some kind involved, but my bet is just on crappy software on the part of Yahoo. I think they've been working feverishly to try to repair a release that should never have been released, and changing things a mile a minute in their futile attempts to prove that they can program their way out of a paper bag. I suspect that the variances we saw on different machines over the last week when posting via the Web portal were caused not by a virus (although one may in fact be fucking with Yahoo! mail), but by Yahoo! chang- ing its cookie schema three or four times in fast succession, each patch release being incompatible with the previous one. In short, my bet is on sloppy programming on the part of Yahoo!, not some nefarious virus attack. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Another Recommended Summer DVD
http://www.enronmovie.com/ :-D Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yahoo Wierdness / Virus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: new.morning wrote: could be, but similtaneosuly on two pcs (foxfire 1.5 and windows xp, cleared cache and cleared cookies, anti-virused), one pc is showing posts on website fine, the other is mixing order, attributing wrong authors, missing threads, etc. Shit, I figure it must be haliburton, the guy on the grassy knoll, and the pilot who didn't crash his plane into the pentagon. Ken Lay was going to be involved, but instead up and died today. BTW, I just heard on the radio that ex-Enron employees are holding parties across the country today. :) Not really so funny. If I were he, I'd have had a heart attack too. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Beyond Gurus book for sale or free..
I would enjoy reading it as well then passing it on here. I will fully pay postage expenses etc. Bill leed. Are U in Ff if so U could give to Tom Traynor there for him to bring to me in Buffalo NY or mail to me Bill Leed 75 Guilford Lane # 7 , Wmsville NY 14221-2526 thanks in advance send me Your address or enclose it i will mail a check to U. thanks 4 the fine offer. Tom's tel home is 469-6917 cell is 919-6917 in ff., IA, ASK HIM TO GIVE u POSTAGE ETC MONIES. THANKS __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Beyond Gurus book for sale or free.. Bill leed will so pay
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Beyond Gurus book for sale *****SOLD!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying ???
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I'm sure any of the psychologists on the list who have worked with EEG biofeedback can attest, and I also have personal experience with, a scalp electrode to provide brainwave feedback only measures a tiny electrical impulse. Any movement or even blinking the eyes will interfere with the accuracy of the reading. How can the TMO results showing maximum brainwave coherence (which is a Fourier Analysis of the outputs) while flying be possible. The movement would destroy the data output??? Indeed it would. However, if you check the TM Movement's Flying EEG COSPAR illustration, and David Orme-Johnson's commentary on this issue on his website, you'll find that the arrow points to the point at liftoff, that is, just before the person starts bouncing up and down. Additionally, David says that the EEG sample given in the brochures was visually inspected for muscular artifacts and any time-segment with such artifacts was deleted before the sample was used. I assume he meant before liftoff since it seems obvious that plenty of artifacts were present *after* bouncing started. I'm chatting with Fred Travis tonight about the computer animation of samadhi project I'm hoping to be part of (still, Judy). I'll mention this issue to him and see if I can get more clarity. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
