[FairfieldLife] Tom Sietas (Jan 12, 1977) and fourth praaNaayaama

2006-09-16 Thread cardemaister

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Sietas






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread peterklutz

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What is the TM/MMY-approved sanskrit word for
  intellect?

pragya
  
  
  Sounds like a compound - what does it mean
  literally?
  
  What was the skt original for thruth-saying/bearing
  intellect?
 
 Ritam bhara pragya
 
 The subjective experience of this very fine level of
 the intellect is that every experience is
 intrinsically, deeply, profoundly meaningful and in
 relationship to all other experiences. Eveything
 makes sense. The intent to know something gives rise
 to the immediate fulfillment of that intent clearly
 and completely.
 
 
 
 
  
  
  
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread peterklutz
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  --- peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
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on 9/15/06 3:46 PM, peterklutz at peterklutz@
   wrote:

 What is the TM/MMY-approved sanskrit word for
   intellect?
 
 pragya
   
   
   Sounds like a compound - what does it mean
   literally?
   
   What was the skt original for thruth-saying/bearing
   intellect?
  
 
 
  Ritam bhara pragya
  
  The subjective experience of this very fine level of
  the intellect is that every experience is
  intrinsically, deeply, profoundly meaningful and in
  relationship to all other experiences. Eveything
  makes sense. The intent to know something gives rise
  to the immediate fulfillment of that intent clearly
  and completely.
  
  
 
 
 Maharishi's Vedic Science describes extremely refined processes of 
 knowing that are not fully available until the individual experiences 
 the total range of the mind. Ritam bhara pragya is defined by 
 Maharishi as a level of infallible intuition, a level of knowing that 
 realizes only truth (lecture, May 1, 1975).
 
 http://www.mum.edu/ed_dept/papers/cbeppr_all.html
 
 'Brahman Consciousness—Unity Consciousness [unity of the knower, 
 process of knowing, and the known]—which enables individual life to 
 be spontaneously lived on the level of Cosmic Life, has the custody 
 of the total potential of the organizing power of Natural Law—Ritam-
 bhara-pragya—which is fully awake in the infinite organizing power 
 lively in the structure of the Veda.
 
 http://tinyurl.com/pgdsl
 
 Ritam-bhara-pragya: that quality of consciousness which sees, or 
 comprehends, the total reality of Natural Law—the reality of Natural 
 Law in its absolute silence and infinite dynamism.
 
 http://tinyurl.com/pk27h








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread peterklutz

So, where does mind stop and intellect start? Any hard criteria?

Also, has MMY indicated any required reading (shortlist preferred)
to give the mind/intellect the stuff it needs to completely
grasp/stabilize experiences TC/CC?


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   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
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on 9/15/06 3:46 PM, peterklutz at peterklutz@
   wrote:

 What is the TM/MMY-approved sanskrit word for
   intellect?
 
 pragya
   
   
   Sounds like a compound - what does it mean
   literally?
   
   What was the skt original for thruth-saying/bearing
   intellect?
  
 
 
  Ritam bhara pragya
  
  The subjective experience of this very fine level of
  the intellect is that every experience is
  intrinsically, deeply, profoundly meaningful and in
  relationship to all other experiences. Eveything
  makes sense. The intent to know something gives rise
  to the immediate fulfillment of that intent clearly
  and completely.
  
  
 
 
 Maharishi's Vedic Science describes extremely refined processes of 
 knowing that are not fully available until the individual experiences 
 the total range of the mind. Ritam bhara pragya is defined by 
 Maharishi as a level of infallible intuition, a level of knowing that 
 realizes only truth (lecture, May 1, 1975).
 
 http://www.mum.edu/ed_dept/papers/cbeppr_all.html
 
 'Brahman Consciousness—Unity Consciousness [unity of the knower, 
 process of knowing, and the known]—which enables individual life to 
 be spontaneously lived on the level of Cosmic Life, has the custody 
 of the total potential of the organizing power of Natural Law—Ritam-
 bhara-pragya—which is fully awake in the infinite organizing power 
 lively in the structure of the Veda.
 
 http://tinyurl.com/pgdsl
 
 Ritam-bhara-pragya: that quality of consciousness which sees, or 
 comprehends, the total reality of Natural Law—the reality of Natural 
 Law in its absolute silence and infinite dynamism.
 
 http://tinyurl.com/pk27h








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 So, where does mind stop and intellect start? Any hard criteria?

Is that even a valid question? Looking at the stuff that Fred's been doiing, we 
know when 
mind stops: the thalamus reduces activity to the point where weno longer have 
(or are 
able to note/remember having) mental activity.

Once thse feedback loops become obvious enough that we can think  and note 
that we 
are thinking, then we have mind AND intellect. 




 
 Also, has MMY indicated any required reading (shortlist preferred)
 to give the mind/intellect the stuff it needs to completely
 grasp/stabilize experiences TC/CC?
 

Not that I've heard of. How could there be with TC? OR with CC for that matter?

By MMY's world-view, these are completely natural states that occur 
spontaneously 
without intellectual understanding. GC/UC/BC involve growth beyond merely being 
normal, so they might be another kettle of fish, but if MMY is correct about CC 
being our 
normal state, there shouldn't be any deliberate intellectual stuff required.

Note that the reading he has people do is IN Sanskrit, without translation. 


Also  note that intellect in the context of UC/BC doesn't mean intellectual 
as in 
reasoning about something anyway. And GC is supposed to be primarily an 
emotional 
thing, so that also doesn't require intellectual understanding although the 
ability to 
resolve emotional states is another example of intellect (descrimination), I 
think.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread cardemaister

Seems like 'mahat' (mahat-tattva[sp?]: the great principle)
also means 'intellect':

1 mahat mfn. (orig. pr. p. of 1. %{mah} ; strong form , %{mahAnt} f. %
{mahatI4} ; in ep. often %{mahat} for %{mahAntam} ; ibc. mostly %
{mahA} q.v.) great (in space , time , quantity or degree) 

snip

(rarely n. scil. %{tattva}) , ` the great principle 'N. of Buddhi , 
` Intellect ' , or the intellectual principle (according to the 
Sa1m2khya philosophy the second of the 23 principles produced from 
Prakr2iti and so called as the {great} source of Aham2ka1ra , ` self-
consciousness ' , and Manas , ` the mind ' ; cf. IW. 83 , 91 c.)  

The beginning of the relevant suutra goes like this:

sattva-rajas-tamasaaM saamyaavasthaa prkRtiH prakRter mahaan 
mahato 'haMkaaro (sandhi for mahataH + ahaMkaaraH) the sameness-
condition (saamya-ava_sthaa) of sattva, rajas and tamas (is) 
prakriti, from prakriti (is born?) mahat (sandhi and stuff: mahaan), 
from mahat ahaMkaara (ego)...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread peterklutz

I think you misunderstand the question: stop and start refer to the
boundaries of mind and intellect, respectively - not their functional
status.

Moreover, the problem is not how normal a state is with reference to
the Universe/Cosmos in toto, but the discrepancy between this state
and other states when moving between - especially in short time - as
happens with correctly performed TM.

Reading MMY's comments on the BG it's obvious that intellectually
understanding higher states is required, lest confusion should set in. 





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote:
 
  
  So, where does mind stop and intellect start? Any hard criteria?
 
 Is that even a valid question? Looking at the stuff that Fred's been
doiing, we know when 
 mind stops: the thalamus reduces activity to the point where weno
longer have (or are 
 able to note/remember having) mental activity.
 
 Once thse feedback loops become obvious enough that we can think 
and note that we 
 are thinking, then we have mind AND intellect. 
 
 
 
 
  
  Also, has MMY indicated any required reading (shortlist preferred)
  to give the mind/intellect the stuff it needs to completely
  grasp/stabilize experiences TC/CC?
  
 
 Not that I've heard of. How could there be with TC? OR with CC for
that matter?
 
 By MMY's world-view, these are completely natural states that occur
spontaneously 
 without intellectual understanding. GC/UC/BC involve growth beyond
merely being 
 normal, so they might be another kettle of fish, but if MMY is
correct about CC being our 
 normal state, there shouldn't be any deliberate intellectual stuff
required.
 
 Note that the reading he has people do is IN Sanskrit, without
translation. 
 
 
 Also  note that intellect in the context of UC/BC doesn't mean
intellectual as in 
 reasoning about something anyway. And GC is supposed to be
primarily an emotional 
 thing, so that also doesn't require intellectual understanding
although the ability to 
 resolve emotional states is another example of intellect
(descrimination), I think.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread TurquoiseB
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 Reading MMY's comments on the BG it's obvious that 
 intellectually understanding higher states is required, 
 lest confusion should set in. 

And in many other traditions, they would say
that for anyone who actually believes that the
intellect can ever understand enlightenment, 
confusion -- possibly incurable confusion -- has
*already* set in.  :-)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread wmurphy77
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 Seems like 'mahat' (mahat-tattva[sp?]: the great principle)
 also means 'intellect':
 
 1 mahat mfn. (orig. pr. p. of 1. %{mah} ; strong form , %{mahAnt} 
f. %
 {mahatI4} ; in ep. often %{mahat} for %{mahAntam} ; ibc. mostly %
 {mahA} q.v.) great (in space , time , quantity or degree) 
 
 snip
 
 (rarely n. scil. %{tattva}) , ` the great principle 'N. of 
Buddhi , 
 ` Intellect ' , or the intellectual principle (according to the 
 Sa1m2khya philosophy the second of the 23 principles produced from 
 Prakr2iti and so called as the {great} source of Aham2ka1ra , ` 
self-
 consciousness ' , and Manas , ` the mind ' ; cf. IW. 83 , 91 
c.)  
 
 The beginning of the relevant suutra goes like this:
 
 sattva-rajas-tamasaaM saamyaavasthaa prkRtiH prakRter mahaan 
 mahato 'haMkaaro (sandhi for mahataH + ahaMkaaraH) 
the sameness-
 condition (saamya-ava_sthaa) of sattva, rajas and tamas (is) 
 prakriti, from prakriti (is born?) mahat (sandhi and stuff: 
mahaan), 
 from mahat ahaMkaara (ego)...

Nicely put.








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[FairfieldLife] Båt eller bot?

2006-09-16 Thread cardemaister

Those ?king Swedes seem to know how
to come up with megahits!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYQUsp-jxDQ






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread Peter
Has anyone had a clear experience of ritam bhara
pragya? I ask because I would love to hear about your
experience. I've only had one clear experience of
rhitam bhara pragya (RBP) and that was before I
started TM. I only knew what it was several years
later on TTC when MMY mentioned it and said that you
know everything and I thought Yikes! I've had that
before. One thing that was very clear during the
experience was that everybody is always functioning
from this level, but there is a turning away of
awareness from this level of the intellect.

--- peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 I think you misunderstand the question: stop and
 start refer to the
 boundaries of mind and intellect, respectively - not
 their functional
 status.
 
 Moreover, the problem is not how normal a state is
 with reference to
 the Universe/Cosmos in toto, but the discrepancy
 between this state
 and other states when moving between - especially in
 short time - as
 happens with correctly performed TM.
 
 Reading MMY's comments on the BG it's obvious that
 intellectually
 understanding higher states is required, lest
 confusion should set in. 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz
 peterklutz@ wrote:
  
   
   So, where does mind stop and intellect start?
 Any hard criteria?
  
  Is that even a valid question? Looking at the
 stuff that Fred's been
 doiing, we know when 
  mind stops: the thalamus reduces activity to the
 point where weno
 longer have (or are 
  able to note/remember having) mental activity.
  
  Once thse feedback loops become obvious enough
 that we can think 
 and note that we 
  are thinking, then we have mind AND intellect. 
  
  
  
  
   
   Also, has MMY indicated any required reading
 (shortlist preferred)
   to give the mind/intellect the stuff it needs to
 completely
   grasp/stabilize experiences TC/CC?
   
  
  Not that I've heard of. How could there be with
 TC? OR with CC for
 that matter?
  
  By MMY's world-view, these are completely natural
 states that occur
 spontaneously 
  without intellectual understanding. GC/UC/BC
 involve growth beyond
 merely being 
  normal, so they might be another kettle of fish,
 but if MMY is
 correct about CC being our 
  normal state, there shouldn't be any deliberate
 intellectual stuff
 required.
  
  Note that the reading he has people do is IN
 Sanskrit, without
 translation. 
  
  
  Also  note that intellect in the context of
 UC/BC doesn't mean
 intellectual as in 
  reasoning about something anyway. And GC is
 supposed to be
 primarily an emotional 
  thing, so that also doesn't require intellectual
 understanding
 although the ability to 
  resolve emotional states is another example of
 intellect
 (descrimination), I think.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What timing!

2006-09-16 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 9/15/06 9:36:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:  In a message dated 9/15/06 
  4:56:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
   The Weekly Standard, September 15, 2006   __http://tinyurl.http://tin_ (http://tinyurl.http://ti_)  
  (_http://tinyurl.http://ti_ (http://tinyurl.com/o9w42) )  
 Excellent article.Richard, do 
  you think Judy Stein will apologize for joining this   false 
  bandwagon of empty accusations?Actually, I'm 
  picturing Judy with a finger in each ear,  eyes closed shaking her 
  head back and forth screaming   LALALALALALALA I can' hear you, I 
  can't hear you,  LALALALALALALA !  That's ironic 
  coming from you, MDixon.  How many articles have you read 
  documenting the blatant falsehoods in Barnes's article? 
   I could might could see your point if I were an avid 
  Conspiracy Theory believer.I didn't ask you about conspiracy 
  theories. Iasked you if you had read any of the many 
  articlesdocumenting the blatant falsehoods in 
  Barnes'sarticle.And you just proved my point, thank you very 
  much,as to which one of us has a finger in each ear, eyesclosed 
  shaking their head back and forth screamingLALALALALALALA I can't hear 
  you, I can't hear 
you,LALALALALALALA!

Yes, I have read several articles which I find to be a real stretch of the 
imagination because they deal more with accusation, assumptionand 
conspiracy and don't sound reasonable at all. To believe half of what some of 
these articles say requires a giant leap of faith in many 
cases.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Peter wrote:

 Has anyone had a clear experience of ritam bhara
 pragya? I ask because I would love to hear about your
 experience. I've only had one clear experience of
 rhitam bhara pragya (RBP) and that was before I
 started TM. I only knew what it was several years
 later on TTC when MMY mentioned it and said that you
 know everything 

I had a flash in meditation once when I knew 
everything in the sense that, for an instant, 
everything made sense. I had but time to think, 
Ah!, before it passed.

Is that what you mean?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Peter wrote:
 
 Ritam bhara pragya
 
 The intent to know something gives rise
 to the immediate fulfillment of that intent clearly
 and completely.

I haven't had clear, diagram-like knowledge, but I 
certainly have had answers come upon asking a 
question. Once I asked a co-worker how a variety 
of lawn sprinkler worked, following up my question 
with a description of how I guessed it would work, 
and he said, that's pretty much how it works, yes.

I suspect we all cultivate some value of rhitam in
work which demands subjective judgments
about stuff. I do it all the time in marketing, where
one person's opinion seems just as valid as another's.
Should we sell alternative health services to people
who've never used them before, or try to lure
patients from other alternative practitioners? One
approach will feel more true than the other.

When people pitch advertising strategies and concepts
to me, I usually fall back on the self, as it were, to 
evaluate them.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread peterklutz

Is being scatterbrained your normal state of awareness? Is there
something wrong with the cabling from your eyes to your brain that
make the letters appear different than what they are? Is there
something wrong with your brain as it attempts to process the
information it receives? Are you just bullshitting?

In the context of the question, the confusion would (of course) set in
as a result of not intellectually grasping experiences of higher
states of consciousness - which reaaly shouldn't need explaning to
people with any level of knowledge of MMY and his approach to these
things.

Stop waisting bandwith.


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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote:
 
  Reading MMY's comments on the BG it's obvious that 
  intellectually understanding higher states is required, 
  lest confusion should set in. 
 
 And in many other traditions, they would say
 that for anyone who actually believes that the
 intellect can ever understand enlightenment, 
 confusion -- possibly incurable confusion -- has
 *already* set in.  :-)








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[FairfieldLife] Maharishi supports the Republicans

2006-09-16 Thread Patrick Gillam
I heard on the radio yesterday that public support 
for George W. Bush and the Republican Party is 
trending up, thanks in part to falling gasoline prices. 
When I heard that, I thought of all those rosy Age 
of Enlightenment News reports from the Global 
Country of World Peace, crediting TM superradiance 
with rising positivity. If those cause-effect 
correlations are valid, Maharishi is contributing to 
the re-election of Republicans in November's elections.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Båt eller bot?

2006-09-16 Thread peterklutz

What else can be expected of the 51st wanna-be state?

The whole place is just an American rip-off


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 Those ?king Swedes seem to know how
 to come up with megahits!
 
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[FairfieldLife] Fwd: FW: MARK YOUR CALENDAR FOR NEXT SATURDAY

2006-09-16 Thread MDixon6569






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When I received
this, I just knew you would be the first to help protect your Country.






MARK YOUR CALENDAR FOR NEXT SATURDAY.

As you may already know, it is a sin for a Muslim male to see any woman other
than his wife naked, and that he must commit suicide if he does. 

So next Saturday at 4 PM.
EST all American women are asked to walk out of their house completely naked to
help weed out any neighborhood terrorists.

Circling your block for one hour is recommended for this anti-terrorist effort

All men are to position themselves in lawn chairs in front of their houses to
prove they are not Muslims, and to demonstrate they think it's okay to see nude
women other than their wives and to show support for all American women.

Since Islam also does not approve of alcohol, a cold 6 -pack at you side is
further proof of your anti-Muslim sentiment. 

The American government appreciates your efforts to root out terrorists and
applauds your participation in this anti-terrorist activity.

God bless America.


It is your patriotic duty to pass this on.






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[FairfieldLife] The true meaning of the word, *infidel*..........

2006-09-16 Thread wmurphy77
The battle of the Bhagavad Gita wages on the field of Kurukshetra (the 
physical and subtle bodies) for the undisputed reign of the bodily 
kingdom, which is the war between Buddhi, or discriminative 
intelligence and avidya, or ignorance.

Every spiritual aspirant wishing to win this battle must defeat the 
rebels (the *infidels* or 100 evil minded sons of Dhritarashtra; lust, 
greed, anger, and so forth up to 100) by 'Pandu' and the POWERS of 
virtue unfolded in meditation by the 5 chakras; self restraint, 
obedience, good habits, vitality/virtue, calmness (samadhi).


Once this is accomplished he/she is considered a Siddha,(perfected 
being). I personally don't know any Siddhas in spite of how cavalierly 
the word is thrown around today.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote:
 
  Reading MMY's comments on the BG it's obvious that 
  intellectually understanding higher states is required, 
  lest confusion should set in. 
 
 And in many other traditions, they would say
 that for anyone who actually believes that the
 intellect can ever understand enlightenment, 
 confusion -- possibly incurable confusion -- has
 *already* set in.  :-)


It's a misuse of the term intellect I think. Intellectual analysis is NOT 
what is being referred 
to here.

Someone in BC can see the whole AND the parts--at all levels of partness.







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[FairfieldLife] No PR sense in the Muslim world

2006-09-16 Thread shempmcgurk



I always felt that if Yasser Arafat looked like Omar Sharif that the Palestinians would have had their homeland back in '72.
Here's another example of what I mean.
Couldn't they get some better looking Jihadists?
Folks, world domination can be pretty!


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi supports the Republicans

2006-09-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I heard on the radio yesterday that public support 
 for George W. Bush and the Republican Party is 
 trending up, thanks in part to falling gasoline prices. 
 When I heard that, I thought of all those rosy Age 
 of Enlightenment News reports from the Global 
 Country of World Peace, crediting TM superradiance 
 with rising positivity. If those cause-effect 
 correlations are valid, Maharishi is contributing to 
 the re-election of Republicans in November's elections.

It's trending up, but not by much.  The media, as
is their wont, are making a huge deal of the Bush
bounce--a measly couple of points into the low 40s,
a miserable rating for an incumbent--but as of 9/14,
the Democratic lead for the midterms is holding firm,
50 to 39 if the election were held today, according
to Pew.

If superradiance were generating significant
improvements in the situation in Iraq, Democrats
would have to start worrying about the elections,
but--unfortunately for the beleaguered Iraqis and
our exhausted troops--it ain't.

See this DailyKos diary for an analysis of recent
polls:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/9/15/9104/83291







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Re: [FairfieldLife] No PR sense in the Muslim world

2006-09-16 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 9/16/06 11:29:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  
  
  I always felt that if Yasser Arafat looked like Omar Sharif that the 
  Palestinians would have had their homeland back in '72.
  Here's another example of what I mean.
  Couldn't they get some better looking Jihadists?
  Folks, world domination can be 
pretty!

Well, they did try. Yassir had an uncanny resemblance to the loveable 
Beatle , Ringo Starr.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The true meaning of the word, *infidel*..........

2006-09-16 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 9/16/06 11:20:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  Once this is accomplished he/she is considered a Siddha,(perfected 
  being). I personally don't know any Siddhas in spite of how cavalierly 
  the word is thrown around today. 

"Only after many life times of this 
practice"
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi supports the Republicans

2006-09-16 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 9/16/06 11:00:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  
  I heard on the radio yesterday that public support for George W. Bush 
  and the Republican Party is trending up, thanks in part to falling 
  gasoline prices. When I heard that, I thought of all those rosy "Age 
  of Enlightenment News" reports from the Global Country of World Peace, 
  crediting TM superradiance with rising positivity. If those cause-effect 
  correlations are valid, Maharishi is contributing to the re-election 
  of Republicans in November's 
elections.

So J, are you suggesting that dome numbers decrease so that the country 
might go to hell in a hand basket and people will take it out on the Republicans 
in November? This is exactly what Rush has said for years, that the Democrats 
have set them selves up so that bad news for America is great news for them and 
great news for America is bad for them. Perhaps if Democrats could show the 
American people how their policies have contributed and been instrumental 
in bringing gasoline prices down, they could claim some of the credit, or show 
how they have worked *with* the administration on counter terrorism efforts to 
prevent further attacks. Instead what so many people see is a thorn 
in the side instead of a helping hand, thus they get no 
credit.
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[FairfieldLife] And you thought the TMO was flakey...

2006-09-16 Thread sparaig
Heh. You want REAL purity of the teaching? Try being a Moslem in Malaysia...

http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/m-news+article+storyid-16229.html

[...]

The Government opposed what it considered deviant interpretations of Islam, 
maintaining 
that allegedly deviant groups' views endanger national security. According to 
the 
Government's Islamic Development Department's (IDD) website, fifty-six deviant 
teachings 
had been identified and prohibited to Muslims as of June 2006. They included 
Shi'a, 
transcendental meditation, and Baha'i teachings, among others. The Government 
asserted 
that deviationist teachings could cause divisions among Muslims. The IDD has 
established 
written guidelines concerning what constitutes deviationist behavior or 
belief. State 
religious authorities, in making their determinations on these matters, have 
generally 
followed the federal guidelines. Members of groups deemed deviationist may be 
arrested 
and detained, with the consent of a Shari'a court, in order to be 
rehabilitated and returned 
to the true path of Islam. In June 2005 the religious affairs minister told 
parliament that 22 
deviant religious groups with an estimated 2,820 followers had been 
identified in the 
country. Neither the Government nor religious authorities provided data on the 
number of 
such persons who have been subjected to rehabilitation.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  
  --- peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
   groups@ wrote:
   
on 9/15/06 3:46 PM, peterklutz at peterklutz@
   wrote:

 What is the TM/MMY-approved sanskrit word for
   intellect?
 
 pragya

prajJA (=prajñaa) f. wisdom , intelligence , knowledge , 
discrimination , judgment S3Br. c. c. ; device , design S3Br. 
S3a1n3khS3r. ; a clever or sensible woman W. ; Wisdom personified as 
the goddess of arts and eloquence , Sarasvati1 L. ; a partic. S3akti 
or energy Hcat. ; (with Buddh.) true or transcendental wisdom (which 
is three fold Dharmas. 110) MWB. 126 ; 128 ; the energy of A1di-
buddha (through the union with whom the latter produced all things) 
MWB. 204. 

--

The root is jñaa (to know); pra is a prefix, that prolly
modifies the meaning somewhat; seems like it might be cognate
to Latin prae (praesens) and English pre (present). 



   
   
   Sounds like a compound - what does it mean
   literally?
   
   What was the skt original for thruth-saying/bearing
   intellect?
  
 
 
  Ritam bhara pragya
  
  The subjective experience of this very fine level of
  the intellect is that every experience is
  intrinsically, deeply, profoundly meaningful and in
  relationship to all other experiences. Eveything
  makes sense. The intent to know something gives rise
  to the immediate fulfillment of that intent clearly
  and completely.
  
  
 
 
 Maharishi's Vedic Science describes extremely refined processes of 
 knowing that are not fully available until the individual 
experiences 
 the total range of the mind. Ritam bhara pragya is defined by 
 Maharishi as a level of infallible intuition, a level of knowing 
that 
 realizes only truth (lecture, May 1, 1975).
 
 http://www.mum.edu/ed_dept/papers/cbeppr_all.html
 
 'Brahman Consciousness—Unity Consciousness [unity of the knower, 
 process of knowing, and the known]—which enables individual life to 
 be spontaneously lived on the level of Cosmic Life, has the custody 
 of the total potential of the organizing power of Natural Law—Ritam-
 bhara-pragya—which is fully awake in the infinite organizing power 
 lively in the structure of the Veda.
 
 http://tinyurl.com/pgdsl
 
 Ritam-bhara-pragya: that quality of consciousness which sees, or 
 comprehends, the total reality of Natural Law—the reality of 
Natural 
 Law in its absolute silence and infinite dynamism.
 
 http://tinyurl.com/pk27h








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi supports the Republicans

2006-09-16 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ 
 wrote:
 
  I heard on the radio yesterday that public support 
  for George W. Bush and the Republican Party is 
  trending up, thanks in part to falling gasoline prices. 
  When I heard that, I thought of all those rosy Age 
  of Enlightenment News reports from the Global 
  Country of World Peace, crediting TM superradiance 
  with rising positivity. If those cause-effect 
  correlations are valid, Maharishi is contributing to 
  the re-election of Republicans in November's elections.
 
 It's trending up, but not by much.  



I don't think that Patrick's point is whether or not there is a 
significant rise in support for Bush as opposed to how the TMO 
assigns cause and effect.

If we hold upward trends such as the rise in the stock market or the 
lowering of crude prices as a good thing and that these 
alleged good things spill over into support for whomever is in 
office at the time then the silly the ME is responsible for all 
these good things reasoning must necessarily mean that it is also 
responsible for support for whomever is in office at the time.

I think Patrick's point is: what's good for the goose is good for 
the gander and if we're going to play the ME effect game well we 
have to take the good with the bad.



The media, as
 is their wont, are making a huge deal of the Bush
 bounce--a measly couple of points into the low 40s,
 a miserable rating for an incumbent--but as of 9/14,
 the Democratic lead for the midterms is holding firm,
 50 to 39 if the election were held today, according
 to Pew.
 
 If superradiance were generating significant
 improvements in the situation in Iraq, Democrats
 would have to start worrying about the elections,
 but--unfortunately for the beleaguered Iraqis and
 our exhausted troops--it ain't.
 
 See this DailyKos diary for an analysis of recent
 polls:
 
 http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/9/15/9104/83291








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The true meaning of the word, *infidel*..........

2006-09-16 Thread wmurphy77
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 9/16/06 11:20:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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 Once this is accomplished he/she is considered a Siddha,(perfected  
 being). I personally don't know any Siddhas in spite of how 
cavalierly  
 the word is thrown around today
 

 Only after many life times of this  practice

Though in the context of the immensity of time (Yugas, etc.), a 
relatively short time!!





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Re: [FairfieldLife] No PR sense in the Muslim world

2006-09-16 Thread Peter
I saw that photo too this morning and thought the same
thing. Reminds me of the bit on In Living Color when
there would be some event and the media would only
interview the wackiest looking and talking Black dude
instead of any of the normal Black people standing
around. JIHAD! DEATH to THE POPE!

--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 I always felt that if Yasser Arafat looked like Omar
 Sharif that the
 Palestinians would have had their homeland back in
 '72.
 
 Here's another example of what I mean.
 
 Couldn't they get some better looking Jihadists?
 
 Folks, world domination can be pretty!
 
 
 
 
 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] And you thought the TMO was flakey...

2006-09-16 Thread Peter
Ha! And Shivama thought getting banned from the domes
was bad. At least she has her fingernails left.

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 Heh. You want REAL purity of the teaching? Try
 being a Moslem in Malaysia...
 

http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/m-news+article+storyid-16229.html
 
 [...]
 
 The Government opposed what it considered deviant
 interpretations of Islam, maintaining 
 that allegedly deviant groups' views endanger
 national security. According to the 
 Government's Islamic Development Department's (IDD)
 website, fifty-six deviant teachings 
 had been identified and prohibited to Muslims as of
 June 2006. They included Shi'a, 
 transcendental meditation, and Baha'i teachings,
 among others. The Government asserted 
 that deviationist teachings could cause divisions
 among Muslims. The IDD has established 
 written guidelines concerning what constitutes
 deviationist behavior or belief. State 
 religious authorities, in making their
 determinations on these matters, have generally 
 followed the federal guidelines. Members of groups
 deemed deviationist may be arrested 
 and detained, with the consent of a Shari'a court,
 in order to be rehabilitated and returned 
 to the true path of Islam. In June 2005 the
 religious affairs minister told parliament that 22 
 deviant religious groups with an estimated 2,820
 followers had been identified in the 
 country. Neither the Government nor religious
 authorities provided data on the number of 
 such persons who have been subjected to
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi supports the Republicans

2006-09-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
jpgillam@ 
  wrote:
  
   I heard on the radio yesterday that public support 
   for George W. Bush and the Republican Party is 
   trending up, thanks in part to falling gasoline prices. 
   When I heard that, I thought of all those rosy Age 
   of Enlightenment News reports from the Global 
   Country of World Peace, crediting TM superradiance 
   with rising positivity. If those cause-effect 
   correlations are valid, Maharishi is contributing to 
   the re-election of Republicans in November's elections.
  
  It's trending up, but not by much.  
 
 
 
 I don't think that Patrick's point is whether or not there is a 
 significant rise in support for Bush as opposed to how the TMO 
 assigns cause and effect.
 
 If we hold upward trends such as the rise in the stock market or 
the 
 lowering of crude prices as a good thing and that these 
 alleged good things spill over into support for whomever is in 
 office at the time then the silly the ME is responsible for all 
 these good things reasoning must necessarily mean that it is also 
 responsible for support for whomever is in office at the time.

Yes, I'm aware of that.  The point being that the ME
is *not* supporting the Republicans, or at least not
enough at this point to give them an edge in the
elections, gas prices or no gas prices.  On their own,
falling gas prices are good for consumers, but they
aren't going to help the Republicans much because
voters' primary concern is Iraq.

 I think Patrick's point is: what's good for the goose is good for 
 the gander and if we're going to play the ME effect game well we 
 have to take the good with the bad.

Yes indeedy.  And in this case the bad is that the
situation in Iraq is getting worse, not better.  If
the Dems beat the crap out of the Republicans in the
elections, it'll be at the expense of the Iraqis and
our troops, at least in the short term.

Long term, on the other hand, it may end up being
better for everyone (everyone who's still alive and
in one piece, at any rate).



 The media, as
  is their wont, are making a huge deal of the Bush
  bounce--a measly couple of points into the low 40s,
  a miserable rating for an incumbent--but as of 9/14,
  the Democratic lead for the midterms is holding firm,
  50 to 39 if the election were held today, according
  to Pew.
  
  If superradiance were generating significant
  improvements in the situation in Iraq, Democrats
  would have to start worrying about the elections,
  but--unfortunately for the beleaguered Iraqis and
  our exhausted troops--it ain't.
  
  See this DailyKos diary for an analysis of recent
  polls:
  
  http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/9/15/9104/83291
 







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread Peter


--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- Peter wrote:
  
  Ritam bhara pragya
  
  The intent to know something gives rise
  to the immediate fulfillment of that intent
 clearly
  and completely.
 
 I haven't had clear, diagram-like knowledge, but I 
 certainly have had answers come upon asking a 
 question. Once I asked a co-worker how a variety 
 of lawn sprinkler worked, following up my question 
 with a description of how I guessed it would work, 
 and he said, that's pretty much how it works, yes.
 
 I suspect we all cultivate some value of rhitam in
 work which demands subjective judgments
 about stuff. I do it all the time in marketing,
 where
 one person's opinion seems just as valid as
 another's.
 Should we sell alternative health services to people
 who've never used them before, or try to lure
 patients from other alternative practitioners? One
 approach will feel more true than the other.
 
 When people pitch advertising strategies and
 concepts
 to me, I usually fall back on the self, as it were,
 to 
 evaluate them.

From my little 5-10 minute ritam experience so long
ago it was clear that all intuitive understanding and
the ahas! of understanding all come from that level.



 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi supports the Republicans

2006-09-16 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 9/16/06 11:00:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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 I heard on the radio yesterday that public support 
 for George W. Bush  and the Republican Party is 
 trending up, thanks in part to falling  gasoline prices. 
 When I heard that, I thought of all those rosy Age  
 of Enlightenment News reports from the Global 
 Country of World Peace,  crediting TM superradiance 
 with rising positivity. If those cause-effect  
 correlations are valid, Maharishi is contributing to 
 the re-election  of Republicans in November's  elections.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 So J, are you suggesting that dome numbers decrease so that the 
country  
 might go to hell in a hand basket and people will take it out on 
the Republicans  
 in November? This is exactly what Rush has said for years, that the 
Democrats  
 have set them selves up so that bad news for America is great news 
for them 
 and  great news for America is bad for them. Perhaps if Democrats 
could show 
 the  American people how their policies have contributed and been  
instrumental  
 in bringing gasoline prices down, they could claim some of the 
credit, or 
 show  how they have worked *with* the administration on counter 
terrorism efforts 
 to  prevent further attacks  . Instead what so many people see is a 
thorn  in 
 the side instead of a helping hand, thus they get no  credit.

The Republicans, if you haven't noticed, are in
control.  How the hell can the Democrats' policies
be instrumental in doing *anything* when they can't
get them implemented in Congress?

Gas prices per se are unlikely to be affected by
anything Congress does in any case.

The Democrats *have* proposed one measure after another
to improve national security only to have them voted
down by the Republicans.

The consensus of independent expert opinion is that
Bush's policies have made us *more* vulnerable to
terror, not less.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread Peter


--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- Peter wrote:
 
  Has anyone had a clear experience of ritam bhara
  pragya? I ask because I would love to hear about
 your
  experience. I've only had one clear experience of
  rhitam bhara pragya (RBP) and that was before I
  started TM. I only knew what it was several years
  later on TTC when MMY mentioned it and said that
 you
  know everything 
 
 I had a flash in meditation once when I knew 
 everything in the sense that, for an instant, 
 everything made sense. I had but time to think, 
 Ah!, before it passed.
 
 Is that what you mean?

Exactly. But what happens if the mind stays there is
that it functions from that level and it is quite
clear that you actually do know everything. Any intent
or question is immediately answered in the instant
crystal clarity of understanding. Really quite
amazing.  All understanding is already there.
Everything makes sense in a beautiful integrated
pattern of perfection.  But it's not flashy because
its also clear that the mind always functions like
this and that everyone is always functioning from the
level of ritam bhara pragya. Only after the experience
does it seem to be amazing from the context of waking
state.  




 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 
 --- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- Peter wrote:
   
   Ritam bhara pragya
   
   The intent to know something gives rise
   to the immediate fulfillment of that intent
  clearly
   and completely.
  
  I haven't had clear, diagram-like knowledge, but I 
  certainly have had answers come upon asking a 
  question. Once I asked a co-worker how a variety 
  of lawn sprinkler worked, following up my question 
  with a description of how I guessed it would work, 
  and he said, that's pretty much how it works, yes.
  
  I suspect we all cultivate some value of rhitam in
  work which demands subjective judgments
  about stuff. I do it all the time in marketing,
  where
  one person's opinion seems just as valid as
  another's.
  Should we sell alternative health services to people
  who've never used them before, or try to lure
  patients from other alternative practitioners? One
  approach will feel more true than the other.
  
  When people pitch advertising strategies and
  concepts
  to me, I usually fall back on the self, as it were,
  to 
  evaluate them.
 
 From my little 5-10 minute ritam experience so long
 ago it was clear that all intuitive understanding and
 the ahas! of understanding all come from that level.



That's been my experience, too.

Over the past 33 years of TMing I've had 1/2 a dozen ritam 
experiences (all lasting about a second or two) and they were peak 
experiences; that is, the whole kit-and-kaboodle was contained in 
those little gems: the experience, the transcending, the wholeness.




 
 
 
  
  
  
  
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread peterklutz

Reading the BG it seems mind and intellect are two distinct faculties.

Most of us probably have a good idea what mind is, but what is
intellect? 

In what way is intellect different from mind?

quote
 Where does mind stop and intellect start?
/quote


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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@
wrote:
  
   Reading MMY's comments on the BG it's obvious that 
   intellectually understanding higher states is required, 
   lest confusion should set in. 
  
  And in many other traditions, they would say
  that for anyone who actually believes that the
  intellect can ever understand enlightenment, 
  confusion -- possibly incurable confusion -- has
  *already* set in.  :-)
 
 
 It's a misuse of the term intellect I think. Intellectual
analysis is NOT what is being referred 
 to here.
 
 Someone in BC can see the whole AND the parts--at all levels of
partness.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread peterklutz

It would seem you would be uniquely positioned to comment on this: 

what about nutcases who think they are Alexander the Great..?


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snip

... the mind always functions like
 this and that everyone is always functioning from the
 level of ritam bhara pragya. 

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[FairfieldLife] Chilling Effect on Religion: IRS Witch hunt on church with anti-war sermon

2006-09-16 Thread new . morning
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/16/national/main2015503.shtml

AP) The Internal Revenue Service has ordered a prominent liberal
church to turn over documents and e-mails it produced during the 2004
election year that contain references to political candidates.

The IRS is investigating whether All Saints Episcopal Church in
Pasadena violated the federal tax code when its former rector, Rev.
George F. Regas, delivered an anti-war sermon on the eve of the last
presidential election.

Tax-exempt organizations are barred from intervening in political
campaigns and elections, and the church could lose its tax-exempt status.


...

There is a lot at stake here, Bacon said. If the IRS prevails, it
will have a chilling effect on the practice of religion in America.

An IRS spokesperson declined comment on the investigation.

In a sermon two days before the 2004 election, Regas did not urge
parishioners to support President Bush or challenger John Kerry but
was critical of the Iraq war and Bush's tax cuts, Bacon said in an
interview last November when the investigation was announced.

He explicitly said, 'I am not telling you how to vote.' That is the
golden boundary we did not cross, he said.

All Saints has a long history of social activism, dating back to World
War II, when its rector spoke out against the internment of Japanese
Americans. Regas, who headed the church for 28 years before retiring
in 1995, was well-known for opposing the Vietnam War, championing
female clergy and supporting gays and lesbians in the church.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope's speech on Faith and reason

2006-09-16 Thread jim_flanegin
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
wrote:
   In other words, as far as I can tell they're blasting
   the Pope for knowing more about the history of their
   religion than they do.
   
  http://tinyurl.com/frea5
 
 From the Times of London:
 
 Times Online September 15, 2006 
 How an emperor's words landed the Pope in trouble
 By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent of The Times
  
This whole issue, with the US, Europe and the Pope painting Islam in 
a poor light seems to me the ultimate clash between the former 
imperial powers and what is called the third world. We in the West 
have become victims of our own success. In part by exploiting the 
third world, disproportionate wealth has been created in the West, 
leading to rapid technological advancements in communication, 
transportation  and weaponry, which have greatly leveled the playing 
field between the third world and the West, in terms of them being 
able to oppose us. No more 'Great White Father'.

The current conflict continues as long as the West thinks that by 
killing enough of the third world people, we can force the rest into 
submission and servitude. It isn't working, nor will it. 

The root of the problem is entrenched greed and the momentum of 
centuries of weapons development in the West, and centuries of 
resentment in the third world. Hence the clashes currently, where 
each side paints the other in the worst possible light.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread jim_flanegin
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  Reading MMY's comments on the BG it's obvious that 
  intellectually understanding higher states is required, 
  lest confusion should set in. 
 
 And in many other traditions, they would say
 that for anyone who actually believes that the
 intellect can ever understand enlightenment, 
 confusion -- possibly incurable confusion -- has
 *already* set in.  :-)

It is not that the intellect *understands* enlightenment. Maharishi 
has never said that. What he has said is that the intellect learns 
to discriminate between the experience of enlightement and all else; 
to recognize it. The intellect will never be able to comprehend it, 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] And you thought the TMO was flakey...

2006-09-16 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 9/16/06 11:47:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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Government opposed what it considered "deviant" interpretations of 
  Islam, maintaining that allegedly deviant groups' views endanger national 
  security. According to the Government's Islamic Development Department's 
  (IDD) website, fifty-six deviant teachings had been identified and 
  prohibited to Muslims as of June 2006. They included Shi'a, transcendental 
  meditation, and Baha'i teachings, among others. The Government asserted 
  that "deviationist" teachings could cause divisions among Muslims. The IDD 
  has established written guidelines concerning what constitutes 
  "deviationist" behavior or belief. State 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  
  --- Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote:
  
   --- Peter wrote:

Ritam bhara pragya

The intent to know something gives rise
to the immediate fulfillment of that intent
   clearly
and completely.
   
   I haven't had clear, diagram-like knowledge, but I 
   certainly have had answers come upon asking a 
   question. Once I asked a co-worker how a variety 
   of lawn sprinkler worked, following up my question 
   with a description of how I guessed it would work, 
   and he said, that's pretty much how it works, yes.
   
   I suspect we all cultivate some value of rhitam in
   work which demands subjective judgments
   about stuff. I do it all the time in marketing,
   where
   one person's opinion seems just as valid as
   another's.
   Should we sell alternative health services to people
   who've never used them before, or try to lure
   patients from other alternative practitioners? One
   approach will feel more true than the other.
   
   When people pitch advertising strategies and
   concepts
   to me, I usually fall back on the self, as it were,
   to 
   evaluate them.
  
  From my little 5-10 minute ritam experience so long
  ago it was clear that all intuitive understanding and
  the ahas! of understanding all come from that level.
 
 
 
 That's been my experience, too.
 
 Over the past 33 years of TMing I've had 1/2 a dozen ritam 
 experiences (all lasting about a second or two) and they were peak 
 experiences; that is, the whole kit-and-kaboodle was contained in 
 those little gems: the experience, the transcending, the wholeness.
 


And yet, these are just flavors, because REAL ritam isn't available unless 
you can float.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Reading the BG it seems mind and intellect are two distinct faculties.
 
 Most of us probably have a good idea what mind is, but what is
 intellect? 

Intellect is what gives rise to mind. You can't have thoughts without making 
distinctions--
noticing differences. The intellect is what notes differences.

 
 In what way is intellect different from mind?
 
 quote
  Where does mind stop and intellect start?
 /quote
 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread sparaig
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ 
 wrote:
  
   Reading MMY's comments on the BG it's obvious that 
   intellectually understanding higher states is required, 
   lest confusion should set in. 
  
  And in many other traditions, they would say
  that for anyone who actually believes that the
  intellect can ever understand enlightenment, 
  confusion -- possibly incurable confusion -- has
  *already* set in.  :-)
 
 It is not that the intellect *understands* enlightenment. Maharishi 
 has never said that. What he has said is that the intellect learns 
 to discriminate between the experience of enlightement and all else; 
 to recognize it. The intellect will never be able to comprehend it, 
 though.


ARe you sure he said recognize it [enlightenment]? 









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[FairfieldLife] Re: And you thought the TMO was flakey...

2006-09-16 Thread sparaig
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 In a message dated 9/16/06 11:47:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Government opposed what it considered deviant interpretations of  Islam, 
 maintaining 
 that allegedly deviant groups' views endanger national  security. According 
 to the 
 Government's Islamic Development Department's  (IDD) website, fifty-six 
 deviant teachings 
 had been identified and  prohibited to Muslims as of June 2006. They included 
 Shi'a, 
 transcendental  meditation, and Baha'i teachings, among others. The 
 Government asserted  
 that deviationist teachings could cause divisions among Muslims. The IDD  
 has established 
 written guidelines concerning what constitutes  deviationist behavior or 
 belief. State 
 
 
 
 What! No Scientology?


Their Jedi Mind Shields are better than anyone else's and they avoid detection.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi supports the Republicans our thnaks 2 U

2006-09-16 Thread WLeed3





Thanks, Maharishi 
4 Ur indirect support for 
conservatives 
Libertariens in the up 
coming elections. Nature  we support U in this historic trend 4 the 
good, I noticed it myself . Col Ret. U. S. Army 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi supports the Republicans our thnaks 2 U

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 Thanks, Maharishi  4 Ur indirect support for  conservatives   
Libertariens 
 in the up  coming elections. Nature  we support U in this historic 
trend 4 the 
  good, I noticed it myself . Col Ret. U. S. Army   Leed


Were you a Colonel before or after the massive amount of drugs you 
obviously took that are responsible for all those silly smiley faces 
you interject into your posts?






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[FairfieldLife] Mad-Cow disease in Milk

2006-09-16 Thread Jason Spock



-Source:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Published: November 3, 2005 Prions suspected in milk Sheep mammaries shown to contain agents of fatal brain disease. Andreas von Bubnoff The inflamed mammary glands of sheep have been found to contain protein particles that cause scrapie, a sickness similar to mad cow disease. This suggests that the suspect proteins, called prions, may also be present in the milk of infected animals. If prions exist in the milk of cows infected with both an inflammatory illness and mad cow disease, formally known as bovine spongiform encephalopathy
 (BSE), this raises concerns for human health. Consumption of prion-contaminated meat from cows with BSE is believed to cause the fatal variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD) in people; so might contaminated milk. Adriano Aguzzi, the lead researcher on the study, has not detected prions in milk itself, because it is difficult to analyse for the abnormal proteins. But he says he expects to find them. "It is unlikely that the prions are not in the milk," says Aguzzi, a pathologist at the University of Zurich Hospital, Switzerland. "And the prospect is not a pleasant one." Neil Cashman, a prion researcher at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, is worried too. People have looked for prions in the milk of cows with BSE and haven't found any, he says. "But they haven't looked in cows with mammary-gland infection and BSE." "This raises very serious questions," concludes Cashman. Inflamed in the brain Prions are mainly
 found in the brain, spinal cord and immune system. Until recently, other body parts were thought to be relatively safe. But in a series of studies, Aguzzi's group has shown that prions can be present in other organs as well, provided that these organs are inflamed. Earlier this year, his group found prions in inflamed pancreases, livers and kidneys. A study last month showed that the urine produced by inflamed kidneys in mice also contains prions. All this has helped to solve the mystery of how wild herds of elk and deer, which are vegetarian, might manage to contract prion diseases from each other. And it prompted Aguzzi to look at mammary glands to see if they could carry prions too. Viral culprit? The researchers went to Sardinia, a Mediterranean island with more than a million sheep, and analysed 261 sheep that were genetically susceptible to scrapie. Of those, seven had scrapie, and four also had an infection of their mammary glands.
 All these four had prions in their mammary glands; the others did not. The study appears this week in Nature Medicine1. The mammary-gland infections were caused by a virus called Maedi Visna. Aguzzi says that if this prion-virus combination is common, it may be a clue to how to fight the transmission of scrapie. "Maybe to eradicate scrapie you have to eradicate the virus first," Aguzzi says. The prion concentration in the sheep's mammary glands is thousands of times lower than in the brain, says Aguzzi. This is probably good news, although it is not known how many prions it takes to cause vCJD in humans. 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi supports the Republicans

2006-09-16 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi supports the Republicans





Back in the early 70s, when Nixon was going through the Watergate ordeal, I heard that Maharishi supported him, and was generally in favor of conservative Republican policies. Charlie Donahue hopped on this bandwagon, so being the mindless little lemming that I was, I did so too, and caught plenty of flak for it at the Orono, ME SCI course.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz 
peterklutz@ 
  wrote:
   
Reading MMY's comments on the BG it's obvious that 
intellectually understanding higher states is required, 
lest confusion should set in. 
   
   And in many other traditions, they would say
   that for anyone who actually believes that the
   intellect can ever understand enlightenment, 
   confusion -- possibly incurable confusion -- has
   *already* set in.  :-)
  
  It is not that the intellect *understands* enlightenment. 
Maharishi 
  has never said that. What he has said is that the intellect 
learns 
  to discriminate between the experience of enlightement and all 
else; 
  to recognize it. The intellect will never be able to comprehend 
it, 
  though.
 
 
 ARe you sure he said recognize it [enlightenment]?

No- I was further describing it myself. A delicate thing to describe 
to be sure.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect

2006-09-16 Thread bob_brigante
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 So, where does mind stop and intellect start? Any hard criteria?
 
 Also, has MMY indicated any required reading (shortlist preferred)
 to give the mind/intellect the stuff it needs to completely
 grasp/stabilize experiences TC/CC?
 
 

The intellect is the discriminator, which makes it possible for us to 
make decisions -- buddhi (intellect) throws light on the mind to make 
decisions possible (and thank God, it enables Prez Bush to say I am 
the decider).

I believe that MMY has said that the only required understanding to 
gain CC is to understand witnessing (the feeling that grows when 
increasing awareness makes one feel that one is looking at the body 
from a distance) -- otherwise, one would feel reluctant to go on 
meditating, without the intellectual understanding of an experience 
that could seem strange. 

To gain Brahman Consciousness, I believe that MMY has said that 
reading the Brahma Sutras http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahma_Sutras 
helps to culture the gaining of BC. Although somebody at any level of 
consciousness might find some value in reading the Brahma Sutras, MMY 
says that they have no relative meaning (although they may be found 
to have some relative value) -- the Brahma Sutras explication of the 
absolute value of life helps those in God Consciousness to enter the 
seventh state of consciousness, BC.

http://geocities.com/bbrigante/sevenstates.html











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[FairfieldLife] Re: For Judy Stein

2006-09-16 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Ohm, Rick and Jon, ain't this a personal message a spam that should 
be carried on directly between the parties, according to the FFL 
guidelines?  What does it have to do with FF or FFL?  May be the 
authors could  bring it back to point?



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 All the Films that are Fit to Censor  
 By Jason Maoz
 JewishPress.com | September 15, 2006
 
 Political hypocrisy was raised to a new standard in recent weeks 
by 
 Democrats who successfully pushed ABC to purge a docudrama of 
 certain scenes and dialogue that reflected poorly on the anti-
terror 
 efforts, such as they were, of the Clinton administration. 
 
 One can sympathize with the outrage voiced by former Clinton 
 secretary of state Madeleine Albright, and even feel the pain of 
 former Clinton national security adviser Sandy Berger (who, as 
 National Review's John J. Miller reminds us, was last seen trying 
 to sneak classified documents out of the National Archives), at 
the 
 prospect of having wholly invented dialogue and actions attributed 
 to them in the two-part miniseries The Path to 9/11, which ran 
 earlier this week. 
 
 But the Democrats' full-court press to have ABC either make 
 extensive changes – or, as Bill Clinton himself put it in a letter 
 to ABC executives, pull the drama entirely – served to confirm 
the 
 old adage about anger and outrage being dependent on whose ox is 
 being gored. (No, the former vice president wasn't a factor in the 
 film.)
  
 ABC aired the movie but removed some of the more problematic 
 material and ran a disclaimer advising viewers that what they were 
 watching was a dramatization with fictionalized scenes. Given 
 the furor among Democratic partisans in the days leading up to the 
 scheduled airing, the smart money had been on ABC caving 
completely.
  
 For example, the Democratic National Committee posted an online 
 petition to Keep `Path to 9/11' Propaganda Film Off The Air, 
 calling the movie a conservative attempt to rewrite the history 
of 
 September 11 to blame Democrats, just in time for the election.
  
 The Senate Democratic leadership, in a letter to Robert Iger, CEO 
of 
 ABC's parent Walt Disney Company, warned that showing the 
 film would be a gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic 
 responsibility and urged Iger to uphold your responsibilities as 
a 
 respected member of American society and as a beneficiary of the 
 free use of the public airwaves to cancel this factually 
inaccurate 
 and deeply misguided program.
  
 Meanwhile, the Democratic Party house organ known as the New York 
 Times, in a September 12th editorial, archly lectured filmmakers 
 that when attempting to recreate real events on screen, you do 
not 
 show real people doing things they never did.
  
 But the reaction from Democrats and their media acolytes was 
 markedly different back in November 2003, when CBS moved a 
docudrama 
 about Ronald and Nancy Reagan off its network schedule and 
relegated 
 it instead to the lightly viewed Showtime cable channel after 
 Republicans complained about fictitious, mean-spirited remarks 
 inserted by screenwriters into the mouth of Mr. Reagan.
  
 The Senate's top Democrat at the time, South Dakota's Tom Daschle 
 (defeated in his bid for reelection in 2004), called the CBS 
 decision appalling and said the network had totally collapsed 
in 
 the face of Republican criticism.
  
 The Democratic National Committee – the same folks with the online 
 petition to keep the 9/11 miniseries off the air – issued a press 
 release after the Reagan film was pulled saying that CBS's 
decision 
 is – to put it mildly – disturbing. Essentially the network has 
 given [Republicans] veto power over the content it puts on the air…
 the decision makes it very easy to imagine a future where 
 representatives for the Bush administration have the power to 
 disapprove of any content that touches politics, policy, or 
history –
  including news programs.
  
 Ever faithful to their Democratic leash-holders, the lapdog 
 editorialists at the New York Times, while acknowledging 
 that people close to Mr. Reagan had reason to be angry at the 
 film's portrayal of the former president, saved their opprobrium 
for 
 the real villains – conservatives, protective of Mr. Reagan's 
image 
 at all times, who launch[ed] one of the fierce assaults that 
have 
 become so familiar whenever the right wants to scare the media on 
an 
 ideological question.
  
 In the Times's judgment, CBS was wrong to yield to conservative 
 pressure and yank [the Reagan film].
  
 It's not exactly a mystery why the Times was far less concerned 
 about political attempts to suppress artistic freedom in the case 
of 
 the 9/11 miniseries. As the September 12th Times editorial 
 lamented, The second episode was wrapped around a live speech by 
 President Bush, so it was especially unfortunate that the most 
 questionable scenes all seemed to 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mad-Cow disease in Milk

2006-09-16 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Rick and Alex, is this spam?  Does it got anything to do with FFL?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 -Source: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Published: November 3, 2005 
 
 Prions suspected in milk 
 
 Sheep mammaries shown to contain agents of fatal brain disease. 
 Andreas von Bubnoff 
 
 The inflamed mammary glands of sheep have been found to contain 
protein particles that cause scrapie, a sickness similar to mad cow 
disease. This suggests that the suspect proteins, called prions, may 
also be present in the milk of infected animals. 
 
 If prions exist in the milk of cows infected with both an 
inflammatory illness and mad cow disease, formally known as bovine 
spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), this raises concerns for human 
health. Consumption of prion-contaminated meat from cows with BSE is 
believed to cause the fatal variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD) 
in people; so might contaminated milk. 
 
 Adriano Aguzzi, the lead researcher on the study, has not detected 
prions in milk itself, because it is difficult to analyse for the 
abnormal proteins. But he says he expects to find them. 
 
 It is unlikely that the prions are not in the milk, says Aguzzi, 
a pathologist at the University of Zurich Hospital, 
Switzerland. And the prospect is not a pleasant one. 
 
 Neil Cashman, a prion researcher at the University of British 
Columbia in Vancouver, is worried too. People have looked for prions 
in the milk of cows with BSE and haven't found any, he says. But 
they haven't looked in cows with mammary-gland infection and BSE. 
 
 This raises very serious questions, concludes Cashman. 
 
 Inflamed in the brain 
 
 Prions are mainly found in the brain, spinal cord and immune 
system. Until recently, other body parts were thought to be 
relatively safe. But in a series of studies, Aguzzi's group has 
shown that prions can be present in other organs as well, provided 
that these organs are inflamed. 
 
 Earlier this year, his group found prions in inflamed pancreases, 
livers and kidneys. A study last month showed that the urine 
produced by inflamed kidneys in mice also contains prions. 
 
 All this has helped to solve the mystery of how wild herds of elk 
and deer, which are vegetarian, might manage to contract prion 
diseases from each other. And it prompted Aguzzi to look at mammary 
glands to see if they could carry prions too. 
 
 Viral culprit? 
 
 The researchers went to Sardinia, a Mediterranean island with more 
than a million sheep, and analysed 261 sheep that were genetically 
susceptible to scrapie. Of those, seven had scrapie, and four also 
had an infection of their mammary glands. All these four had prions 
in their mammary glands; the others did not. The study appears this 
week in Nature Medicine1. 
 
 The mammary-gland infections were caused by a virus called Maedi 
Visna. Aguzzi says that if this prion-virus combination is common, 
it may be a clue to how to fight the transmission of scrapie. Maybe 
to eradicate scrapie you have to eradicate the virus first, Aguzzi 
says. 
 
 The prion concentration in the sheep's mammary glands is thousands 
of times lower than in the brain, says Aguzzi. This is probably good 
news, although it is not known how many prions it takes to cause 
vCJD in humans. 
   


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi supports the Republicans

2006-09-16 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Back in the early 70¹s, when Nixon was going through the Watergate 
ordeal, I
 heard that Maharishi supported him, and was generally in favor of
 conservative Republican policies. Charlie Donahue hopped on this 
bandwagon,
 so being the mindless little lemming that I was, I did so too, and 
caught
 plenty of flak for it at the Orono, ME SCI course.



don't feel too bad; Nixon was quite the liberal:

- Created the EPA;

- Opened up Red China;

- Was responsible for Affirmative Action;

- Initiated wage and price freezes (a very liberal thing to do);

- Said: when you run for the Republican nomination, you run far 
right of center; when you run for president you run right of center; 
when you govern, you govern from the center.  However, Nixon 
governed from the left.  He was MUCH more liberal, of course, than 
Bill Clinton who oversaw a veritable Conservative Agenda which he 
wholeheartedly subscribed to and supported.

That's why I am amused when arch-liberal Judy Stein is unwavering in 
her support of Clinton who was anything but a liberal (except 
perhaps in his patronage appointments).  Judy defends Clinton at 
every chance she gets but he was anathema to pretty much everything 
she stands for.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick: Maharishi supports the Republicans

2006-09-16 Thread dhamiltony2k5
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Back in the early 70¹s, when Nixon was going through the Watergate 
ordeal, I
heard that Maharishi supported him, and was generally in favor of
conservative Republican policies. 


Dear Rick, a good friend of mine works in John Hagelin's office and was 
recently assuring me that Maharishi sees things that we do not.  I am 
sure that you are now assured about this.

Nowe, if you would only believe, and get in line.  Have you not 
registered for the dome yet?

Your Friend, Doug in FF





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[FairfieldLife] Feud ended...but why must he sodomize him?

2006-09-16 Thread shempmcgurk



Elton John ends feud with George Michael Fri Sep 15, 5:18 PM ET 
LONDON - Elton John appears to have ended his public feud with George Michael, saying, "George and I are fine." Two years ago, John said the former Wham! star was miserable and needed to get out more. Michael responded with a furious open letter saying John was no friend of his.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi supports the Republicans

2006-09-16 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
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  That's why I am amused when arch-liberal Judy Stein is 
unwavering in 
  her support of Clinton who was anything but a liberal (except 
  perhaps in his patronage appointments).  Judy defends Clinton at 
  every chance she gets but he was anathema to pretty much 
everything 
  she stands for.
 
 I'm sorry you're so confused about what I stand
 for, Shemp.
 
 Medication time now.



You mean it's not clear from your 17,000 posts that you are NOT a 
liberal?






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[FairfieldLife] Iowa Source is online

2006-09-16 Thread bob_brigante
I just saw that the Iowa Source, a free-distribution monthly which was 
a print edition only for decades, is now online, although it now only 
has the occasional TM article:

http://www.iowasource.com/fairfield/domes_0906.html






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[FairfieldLife] Fairfield Art Life

2006-09-16 Thread bob_brigante
http://www.artlifesociety.org/fairfield.htm





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Mad-Cow disease in Milk

2006-09-16 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Rick and Alex, is this spam?  Does it got anything to do with FFL?
 
As I understand the spammer policy, if a person participates on FFL,
he is not a spammer. Jason Spock does participate on FFL, and sharing
a news article is not considered spamming. The people that I regard as
spammers are those who are here only to advertise their own products
or websites, and who do not participate in the discussion.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock jedi_spock@ 
 wrote:
 
  -Source: news@ 
  Published: November 3, 2005 
  
  Prions suspected in milk 
[snip]





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi supports the Republicans

2006-09-16 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Back in the early 70¹s, when Nixon was going through the Watergate
ordeal, I
 heard that Maharishi supported him, and was generally in favor of
 conservative Republican policies. Charlie Donahue hopped on this
bandwagon,
 so being the mindless little lemming that I was, I did so too, and
caught
 plenty of flak for it at the Orono, ME SCI course.


Hey - I remember you from Orno, but I don't remember either you or
Charlie taken' heat for Nixon :-) 

JohnY





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick: Maharishi supports the Republicans

2006-09-16 Thread Bhairitu
dhamiltony2k5 wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Back in the early 70¹s, when Nixon was going through the Watergate 
ordeal, I
heard that Maharishi supported him, and was generally in favor of
conservative Republican policies. 


Dear Rick, a good friend of mine works in John Hagelin's office and was 
recently assuring me that Maharishi sees things that we do not.  I am 
sure that you are now assured about this.

Nowe, if you would only believe, and get in line.  Have you not 
registered for the dome yet?

Your Friend, Doug in FF

The above sounds like something from a B-movie on authoritarianism. :)



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi supports the Republicans

2006-09-16 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi supports the Republicans





on 9/16/06 9:14 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com 
 , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Back in the early 70s, when Nixon was going through the Watergate
 ordeal, I
 heard that Maharishi supported him, and was generally in favor of
 conservative Republican policies. Charlie Donahue hopped on this
 bandwagon,
 so being the mindless little lemming that I was, I did so too, and
 caught
 plenty of flak for it at the Orono, ME SCI course.
 
 
 Hey - I remember you from Orno, but I don't remember either you or
 Charlie taken' heat for Nixon :-) 

I taught the SCI course to a group of about 50 who had taken it previously. They (deservedly) gave me the heat. I was out of my gourd on that course because I had done 5 weeks of really intense rounding in a cabin in N. Carolina with Charlie Donahue, Billy Lazarus, and George Helland and had come down too quickly because the owner of the cabin wanted us out. (Maharishi gave us permission to round on our own because we couldnt both attend the ATR and teach the Orono course.)


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi supports the Republicans

2006-09-16 Thread Robert Gimbel
I think falling gasoline prices has a bit to do with the up-coming 
elections; remember the Bush family and the Saudis are in bed 
together?...R.G.


   
  I heard on the radio yesterday that public support 
  for George W. Bush  and the Republican Party is 
  trending up, thanks in part to falling  gasoline prices. 
  When I heard that, I thought of all those rosy Age  
  of Enlightenment News reports from the Global 
  Country of World Peace,  crediting TM superradiance 
  with rising positivity. If those cause-effect  
  correlations are valid, Maharishi is contributing to 
  the re-election  of Republicans in November's  elections.
  

 
  
  So J, are you suggesting that dome numbers decrease so that the 
 country  
  might go to hell in a hand basket and people will take it out on 
 the Republicans  
  in November? This is exactly what Rush has said for years, that 
the 
 Democrats  
  have set them selves up so that bad news for America is great 
news 
 for them 
  and  great news for America is bad for them. Perhaps if Democrats 
 could show 
  the  American people how their policies have contributed and 
been  
 instrumental  
  in bringing gasoline prices down, they could claim some of the 
 credit, or 
  show  how they have worked *with* the administration on counter 
 terrorism efforts 
  to  prevent further attacks  . Instead what so many people see is 
a 
 thorn  in 
  the side instead of a helping hand, thus they get no  credit.
 
 The Republicans, if you haven't noticed, are in
 control.  How the hell can the Democrats' policies
 be instrumental in doing *anything* when they can't
 get them implemented in Congress?
 
 Gas prices per se are unlikely to be affected by
 anything Congress does in any case.
 
 The Democrats *have* proposed one measure after another
 to improve national security only to have them voted
 down by the Republicans.
 
 The consensus of independent expert opinion is that
 Bush's policies have made us *more* vulnerable to
 terror, not less.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi supports the Republicans

2006-09-16 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/16/06 9:14 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
   , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
   
   Back in the early 70¹s, when Nixon was going through the
Watergate
   ordeal, I
   heard that Maharishi supported him, and was generally in favor of
   conservative Republican policies. Charlie Donahue hopped on this
   bandwagon,
   so being the mindless little lemming that I was, I did so
too, and
   caught
   plenty of flak for it at the Orono, ME SCI course.
   
   
   Hey - I remember you from Orno, but I don't remember either you or
   Charlie taken' heat for Nixon :-)
  
 I taught the SCI course to a group of about 50 who had taken it
previously.
 They (deservedly) gave me the heat. I was out of my gourd on that course
 because I had done 5 weeks of really intense rounding in a cabin in N.
 Carolina with Charlie Donahue, Billy Lazarus, and George Helland and had
 come down too quickly because the owner of the cabin wanted us out.
 (Maharishi gave us permission to round on our own because we
couldn¹t both
 attend the ATR and teach the Orono course.)

I knew about the rounding in the cabin, but I don't remember how I
knew Lots of good experiences listening to Sama Veda there in Orno
. (I remember riding in a car with someone and being surprized hearing
about the rounding in the cabin... ) That was a good course.

JohnY





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[FairfieldLife] Orono Maine course

2006-09-16 Thread curtisdeltablues
My first week long residence course was in Orono, 74 or 75 or maybe
both.  Charlie D was very intense but I really enjoyed his lectures. 
Where is he now, Amherst  Mass?  Did you give any general lectures
Rick?  I can't remember if I saw you there.  Doug Henning had hitched
up to Maine with a hot chick from his first Tonight Show appearance .
 He performed at the talent show.  My initiator was Joe Smith, do you
remember Joe and Carol from the early days?  Pat (first name?) Duffy
from Philly was a good guy back then. Memories.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 9/16/06 9:14 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
   , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
   
   Back in the early 70¹s, when Nixon was going through the
Watergate
   ordeal, I
   heard that Maharishi supported him, and was generally in favor of
   conservative Republican policies. Charlie Donahue hopped on this
   bandwagon,
   so being the mindless little lemming that I was, I did so
too, and
   caught
   plenty of flak for it at the Orono, ME SCI course.
   
   
   Hey - I remember you from Orno, but I don't remember either you or
   Charlie taken' heat for Nixon :-)
  
 I taught the SCI course to a group of about 50 who had taken it
previously.
 They (deservedly) gave me the heat. I was out of my gourd on that course
 because I had done 5 weeks of really intense rounding in a cabin in N.
 Carolina with Charlie Donahue, Billy Lazarus, and George Helland and had
 come down too quickly because the owner of the cabin wanted us out.
 (Maharishi gave us permission to round on our own because we
couldn¹t both
 attend the ATR and teach the Orono course.)







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[FairfieldLife] Pope's comments

2006-09-16 Thread shempmcgurk
Sorry, I know I shouldn't feel this way but I am snickering with 
delight at all the hot water the Pope is getting into with the 
Islamists.

I also find it hugely entertaining that his comments about Muslims and 
violence are being met with some protests that end up declaring 
violence against the West.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect/suggested reading

2006-09-16 Thread Anna
Yoga Vasistha is very good --  the book is Vasistha's Yoga by Swami
Venkatesananda, State university of New York Press. Can order through
21st Century books, (at MUM), or Amazon.com.  (don't bother with the 
abridged version -- just the full version). Read some daily.



Also, has MMY indicated any required reading
  (shortlist preferred)
to give the mind/intellect the stuff it needs to
  completely
grasp/stabilize experiences TC/CC?







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