[FairfieldLife] Re: Pity the Poor Pundits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/30/07 5:37:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who paid for their airfare, the room and board, their clothing and education ? If they are let free to roam around they'll soon disappear, smitten by the markedforces, with the result that superadiance will go down. Not to mention that the american authorities hardly will let more Pundits into america. Is that what you want ? Grow up, don't let the fool in you be shocked. It boils down to the same thing over and over again; to be a follower of Maharishi is not for fainthearted idealists but for those who are seriously wanting growth on a difficult and somewhat lonely path. If you are not willing to do that; jump the ship. I know of groups in your country who are working very hard to make the Pundit-project a failure. Don't be a part of their group Mr ! Ummm you are joking... aren't you? Plase. Nope
[FairfieldLife] (Don't) Pity the Poor Pundits(Please)-good vibrations/love and peace
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 4/30/07 5:37:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who paid for their airfare, the room and board, their clothing and education ? If they are let free to roam around they'll soon disappear, smitten by the markedforces, with the result that superadiance will go down. Not to mention that the american authorities hardly will let more Pundits into america. Is that what you want ? Grow up, don't let the fool in you be shocked. It boils down to the same thing over and over again; to be a follower of Maharishi is not for fainthearted idealists but for those who are seriously wanting growth on a difficult and somewhat lonely path. If you are not willing to do that; jump the ship. I know of groups in your country who are working very hard to make the Pundit-project a failure. Don't be a part of their group Mr ! Ummm you are joking... aren't you? Plase. Nope Yes, how true it is, ask Mia; Ask the Beatles; ask even Castro- The Big M is no one to mess with. And if you want to follow the Shiva path, Well check out the picture sometime- It's cold up there at the top, half too learn to keep yourself warm. After all, Maharishi, lived in a cave for a time. So, not for the faint of heart. Those who are not willing to go where no man(or woman) has gone before. Kind of like Captain Kirk, and the Starship Enterprise. Hunting down and destroying evil and darkness, wherever it lurks. Not for the faint-hearted. This is true. Maharishi is a Capricorn realist. He has definitely left his mark on this planet. From astronauts, to physicists, to politicians to holy men, and woman, from the Beattles, to Mick Jagger, He's seen, and heard it all. He's just the man, what can you say? And so it goes.
[FairfieldLife] The best IT brains in the world...
...but they can't locate the spell check button. Also, did you know that Girish Varma is a great visionary. Well, I suppose he must be the guy responsible for setting up the very lucrative slave-for-life indentured pundit program for the TMO. A fiction writer couldn't come up with this crap. Check out the spelling in the bottom paragraph: http://tinyurl.com/2uf2z9
[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy Creepy? Very. Cross him at your peril. The core of the movement mafia. A chip off the old block: a beautiful, enlightened asura What makes you so sure about the two adjectives? Every year, Forbes magazine includes Fidel Castro as being worth anywhere from $100 to $200 million. Not necessarily because that amount of assets are in his name but because that is the portion of the Cuban economy in monetary terms from which he and his immediate family directly benefit. I wonder how much Girish is worth? $20 million? $50 million?
[FairfieldLife] I found a new one!
Just when I thought that the TMO had exhausted all the possible titles in the English language, I just came across a new one: His Highness. Apparently, there's a fellow running the show in ScorpionLand (the country, not the theme park) with the Christian name of Peter Warburton (which is funny enough in itself) who gets to put not only His Highness in front of his name but also Dr.: http://tinyurl.com/2z3gar The following is not an exhaustive list but just off the top of my head, here are as many TMO titles as I can think of: His Holiness His Excellency His Highness Governor Initiator King Doctor Expert And I'm quite sure there's a pecking order to the whole thing as well. Hey, even the English aristocracy's got an hierarchy to it. For example, a Sir is lower than a Lord, but a Baron is higher than a Lord and a King is higher than an Earl, etc. Can you think of any more TMO titles I may have missed? Try listing as many as you can... FIRST PRIZE IS A 2008 CORVETTE STINGRAY! ...and for extra bonus points, put them in hierarchical order!
[FairfieldLife] David Lynch and TM make Drudge Report
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[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this ... http://tinyurl.com/2pgkuf http://tinyurl.com/2pgkuf ... the same guy as this: http://tinyurl.com/2l72eu http://tinyurl.com/2l72eu If so, he's one creepy bastard! I think he fashions himself a Maharishi and can't wait for his uncle to die so that he can take a shot at sitting on the deer skin. Anyone getting a similar vibe? Boys and girls: can you say...scism?
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[FairfieldLife] Pity, the Poor Pundits
We, really want angry bitter men doing yagya? Sounds dangerous on many levels of intention. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some pundit news from a well-informed inside source: . The pundits were not given a clear idea of what their living conditions here would be. They were not told they would be cloistered behind fences. They understood that they would be free to move about and see new things here. Most of them are very frustrated and stir-crazy in their confinement. . The tuberculosis rumors are true. I don't know how many are infected, but anyone who has had contact with the pundits has been tested. . In his sales pitch to lure them here, Bob Raja Wynne promised them a $300 monthly stipend, but they are only getting $30. . The pundits are indentured to the TMO for at least 20 years. They were all obligated to take out loans to help build some SV structure. It's not clear to me what the structure is. Perhaps their living and chanting facility in India. I'll find out. Anyway, as long as they are punditing, the movement covers the payments, but if they leave, they have to cover them. If they don't Anand and Prakash Srivastava sic the police on them. This happened to the ex-pundit from whom I got this information. . This pundit also said that the Srivastavas are very rich and basically say to MMY, Look, you're very old. Don't worry about these financial matters. We'll take care of them. On a related note, I'm always arguing that MMY micromanages the movement and no one tells him what to do. I think that generally this is the case, but I can think of one incident which refutes this. When the Natural Law Party was doing its thing, John Gray donated $50,000. He was promptly invited to come to Vlodrop. When he got there, there was a tussle between Bevan and Hagelin, Bevan arguing that John wrote inappropriate books and shouldn't be permitted to meet with Maharishi and Hagelin arguing that the books helped people and that he should meet with him. Apparently MMY let the two of them work out the issue, although I've often seen him do that and then in the end, do what he wanted to do anyway. A compromise was reached in which John talked with MMY on the phone. I don't know whether that reflected MMY's desire or not. In the conversation, MMY tried to recruit John to do stuff for the movement, but John declined, saying he liked the way his life was going.
[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Is this ... http://tinyurl.com/2pgkuf http://tinyurl.com/2pgkuf ... the same guy as this: http://tinyurl.com/2l72eu http://tinyurl.com/2l72eu If so, he's one creepy bastard! I think he fashions himself a Maharishi and can't wait for his uncle to die so that he can take a shot at sitting on the deer skin. Anyone getting a similar vibe? Boys and girls: can you say...scism? Girish! Girish! Girish! If Maharishi can't do it, Girishji can!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The best IT brains in the world...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Also, did you know that Girish Varma is a great visionary. snip I suppose someone knows what the succession plan is for TMO, but you can be sure this guy is going be in the thick of it, either as the designated heir, or a usurper. If George Bush was born on third base and thought he hit a triple, I can't imagine what this guy thinks. Maybe that MMY was John the Baptist for Girish. lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
Dr Girish Chandra Varma, Director-General of the Maharishi World Capital of Peace at the Brahmasthan of India, performs Vedic Puja to inaugurate Raam Nomi, Brahmasthan of India, 27-29 March 2007 I thought it was only proper pandits who were supposed to do Vedic pujas etc.. Is Girish a Brahmin, where MMY is not? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Is this ... http://tinyurl.com/2pgkuf http://tinyurl.com/2pgkuf ... the same guy as this: http://tinyurl.com/2l72eu http://tinyurl.com/2l72eu If so, he's one creepy bastard! I think he fashions himself a Maharishi and can't wait for his uncle to die so that he can take a shot at sitting on the deer skin. Anyone getting a similar vibe? Boys and girls: can you say...scism? Girish! Girish! Girish! If Maharishi can't do it, Girishji can!
[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy Creepy? Very. Cross him at your peril. The core of the movement mafia. Something funny - you used to see Dr. Girish Varma listed as an officer on almost all of the tmo's official filings (along with the other nephew and the usual names like Bevan etc), but recently his name has been dropped from many of them, though there's now a Dr. Girish Momaya listed. Same guy? Why the name change?
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found a new one!
This thread rocks! There are so many designations of specialness. Purusha inactive wiener, kinky loin cloths. Mother Divine inactive uh,... oh you get the point! Must be fun explaining to the relatives the difference between 'Mother Divine' and 'Spinster' on holidays. Rising Citizen hasn't forked over the dough yet, Washes pots and pans in movement facilities. Citizen too weird for your non meditating friends but no movement status. You need to move the foam up to the 4th floor while we Governors do our extra long program. Rising Governor You're gunna be working around the center a lot and you better be smil'n. Governor Now I'm at the top, doh! Executive governors! Minister the course cost a lot but it gave you zero pull afterwards, sorry. Raja Silly hat silly grin, you are off your meds again aren't you? I think my favorite is His Divinity which refers to Guru Dev's nature as beyond human. How far beyond human you may ask? Whip up a batch and find out! Heritage Recipe Aunt Shirley's Divine Divinity Ingredients: 2-1/2 cups sugar 1/2 cup corn syrup 1/2 cup water 2 egg whites 1 teaspoon vanilla walnuts (optional) Prepare waxed paper first. (You'll need to work fast when dropping divinity onto buttered waxed paper.) Cook sugar, corn syrup, and water until candy thermometer reads 230 degrees. While cooking syrup, whip egg whites. Pour 1/2 of the syrup into egg whites. Let remaining syrup boil to 250 degrees and then pour into mixture. Beat until dull. Add vanilla. Add walnuts if desired. Drop on paper quickly in desired size; mixture will set up fast! Store in sealable container. Yields: approximately 2 dozen Now aren't we all feeling a little Spacil! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just when I thought that the TMO had exhausted all the possible titles in the English language, I just came across a new one: His Highness. Apparently, there's a fellow running the show in ScorpionLand (the country, not the theme park) with the Christian name of Peter Warburton (which is funny enough in itself) who gets to put not only His Highness in front of his name but also Dr.: http://tinyurl.com/2z3gar The following is not an exhaustive list but just off the top of my head, here are as many TMO titles as I can think of: His Holiness His Excellency His Highness Governor Initiator King Doctor Expert And I'm quite sure there's a pecking order to the whole thing as well. Hey, even the English aristocracy's got an hierarchy to it. For example, a Sir is lower than a Lord, but a Baron is higher than a Lord and a King is higher than an Earl, etc. Can you think of any more TMO titles I may have missed? Try listing as many as you can... FIRST PRIZE IS A 2008 CORVETTE STINGRAY! ...and for extra bonus points, put them in hierarchical order!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Narada, a cup of tea and, please, don't spill a drop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Marek and DharmaMitra want to go on all night telling nice puranic stories, 10-20 posts each, they have my vote. Sometimes the grahas grab you, the sun shines in your heart a certain way, one is in the zone with a particular idea. I say when that happens -- go for it. Pursue the thought and dialogue for all to enjoy. A strict anal five post a day limit squeezes the life out of such moments. And squeezes the life out of FFL. Rick and most of the others here *like* it that way, nice and bland, minimal spontaneity, minimal interaction, a showcase for those who like to do set pieces, a little of this, a little of that, move on to the next. Criticism of MMY and the TMO along party lines; a bit of tame dissent is OK here and there, as long as it doesn't get in anybody's face. Above all, keep it *safe*. Avoid disturbance at all costs.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Pity, the Poor Pundits
In a message dated 5/1/2007 8:10:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We, really want angry bitter men doing yagya? Sounds dangerous on many levels of intention. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some pundit news from a well-informed inside source: . The pundits were not given a clear idea of what their living conditions here would be. They were not told they would be cloistered behind fences. They understood that they would be free to move about and see new things here. Most of them are very frustrated and stir-crazy in their confinement. . The tuberculosis rumors are true. I don't know how many are infected, but anyone who has had contact with the pundits has been tested. . In his sales pitch to lure them here, Bob Raja Wynne promised them a $300 monthly stipend, but they are only getting $30. . The pundits are indentured to the TMO for at least 20 years. They were all obligated to take out loans to help build some SV structure. It's not clear to me what the structure is. Perhaps their living and chanting facility in India. I'll find out. Anyway, as long as they are punditing, the movement covers the payments, but if they leave, they have to cover them. If they don't Anand and Prakash Srivastava sic the police on them. This happened to the ex-pundit from whom I got this information. . This pundit also said that the Srivastavas are very rich and basically say to MMY, Look, you're very old. Don't worry about these financial matters. We'll take care of them. On a related note, I'm always arguing that MMY micromanages the movement and no one tells him what to do. I think that generally this is the case, but I can think of one incident which refutes this. When the Natural Law Party was doing its thing, John Gray donated $50,000. He was promptly invited to come to Vlodrop. When he got there, there was a tussle between Bevan and Hagelin, Bevan arguing that John wrote inappropriate books and shouldn't be permitted to meet with Maharishi and Hagelin arguing that the books helped people and that he should meet with him. Apparently MMY let the two of them work out the issue, although I've often seen him do that and then in the end, do what he wanted to do anyway. A compromise was reached in which John talked with MMY on the phone. I don't know whether that reflected MMY's desire or not. In the conversation, MMY tried to recruit John to do stuff for the movement, but John declined, saying he liked the way his life was going. What a circus act. Can you imagine what will happen when MMY passes over in July or August. A holy ego war is about to happen in the TMO. The pundits should not be lied too in regards to the agreements made and this will backfire on the TMO and MMY. Lsoma. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pity, the Poor Pundits
One thing's for sure: the pundits don't need your pity. Spare that for people whose chief interest is spreading rumors designed to discredit the TMO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What say a true-believer here? Like our friend, Feste37 here, defender that could shed light and bring some transparency to this? How about check on this, and get back to us, a little quicker than Guidestar can report what is going on here in FF? The movement don't have no web-link to their finacial numbers? MUM? Like, money in and money out? -Gov Doug in FF Some pundit news from a well-informed inside source: . The pundits were not given a clear idea of what their living conditions here would be. They were not told they would be cloistered behind fences. They understood that they would be free to move about and see new things here. Most of them are very frustrated and stir-crazy in their confinement. . The tuberculosis rumors are true. I don't know how many are infected, but anyone who has had contact with the pundits has been tested. . In his sales pitch to lure them here, Bob Raja Wynne promised them a $300 monthly stipend, but they are only getting $30. . The pundits are indentured to the TMO for at least 20 years. They were all obligated to take out loans to help build some SV structure. It's not clear to me what the structure is. Perhaps their living and chanting facility in India. I'll find out. Anyway, as long as they are punditing, the movement covers the payments, but if they leave, they have to cover them. If they don't Anand and Prakash Srivastava sic the police on them. This happened to the ex-pundit from whom I got this information. . This pundit also said that the Srivastavas are very rich and basically say to MMY, Look, you're very old. Don't worry about these financial matters. We'll take care of them. On a related note, I'm always arguing that MMY micromanages the movement and no one tells him what to do. I think that generally this is the case, but I can think of one incident which refutes this. When the Natural Law Party was doing its thing, John Gray donated $50,000. He was promptly invited to come to Vlodrop. When he got there, there was a tussle between Bevan and Hagelin, Bevan arguing that John wrote inappropriate books and shouldn't be permitted to meet with Maharishi and Hagelin arguing that the books helped people and that he should meet with him. Apparently MMY let the two of them work out the issue, although I've often seen him do that and then in the end, do what he wanted to do anyway. A compromise was reached in which John talked with MMY on the phone. I don't know whether that reflected MMY's desire or not. In the conversation, MMY tried to recruit John to do stuff for the movement, but John declined, saying he liked the way his life was going.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of claudiouk Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:56 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy Dr Girish Chandra Varma, Director-General of the Maharishi World Capital of Peace at the Brahmasthan of India, performs Vedic Puja to inaugurate Raam Nomi, Brahmasthan of India, 27-29 March 2007 I thought it was only proper pandits who were supposed to do Vedic pujas etc.. Is Girish a Brahmin, where MMY is not? Maybe he's just doing a plain vanilla TM puja.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pity the Poor Pundits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: Wow. This is potentially a time bomb...and the key word here is indentured. Because indentured servitude is close to if not on a par with slavery, which is illegal in most parts of the world (in the U.S., anyway). there are specific laws that seem to prohibit the kind of activity described above by Rick Archer and, if true, it is a veritable scandal in the making. I can see the headline now: indentured slavery alive and well in the cornfields of Iowa... ...or... The Maharishi enslaves Indian serfs; confines them like cattle. not only is this a potential scandal with bad publicity; it is also, IMO a great sin. are not these pandit boys all of the highest brahmin cast, and doing gods work (ie, nature support)? they if anyone deserve respectful treatment, let alone freedom from outright abuse. if these rumors are true, shame on those responsible! the idealist in me is shocked! i hope these kind of stories turn out to be just ill founded rumors, or misunderstandings. Who paid for their airfare, the room and board, their clothing and education ? If they are let free to roam around they'll soon disappear, smitten by the markedforces, with the result that superadiance will go down. Not to mention that the american authorities hardly will let more Pundits into america. Is that what you want ? Grow up, don't let the fool in you be shocked. It boils down to the same thing over and over again; to be a follower of Maharishi is not for the fainthearted idealists but for those who are seriously wanting to make sacrifises for growth on a difficult and somewhat lonely path. If you are not willing to do that; jump the ship. I know of groups in your country who are working very hard to make the Pundit-project a failure. Don't be a part of their group Mr ! Good points. Purusha in India are not allowed to roam around freely, and they accept that. Why should pundits in America be any different? In fact, pundits in America are at a very high risk of being in danger if they wander off. I suspect the loan indentured story to be more made-up unverifiable anti-TM propaganda, but if someone credible investigates it, then it would be interesting. So far no-one credible has come forth, so until then the anti-Tm propaganda will continue for years. Conspiracy theories are what keep some people from fading away into a lonely death. OffWorld
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of boo_lives Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:36 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy Creepy? Very. Cross him at your peril. The core of the movement mafia. Something funny - you used to see Dr. Girish Varma listed as an officer on almost all of the tmo's official filings (along with the other nephew and the usual names like Bevan etc), but recently his name has been dropped from many of them, though there's now a Dr. Girish Momaya listed. Same guy? Why the name change? I'm pretty sure that's a different guy. I heard of him years ago and used to get the two confused. Probably Girish I a common name.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pity the Poor Pundits
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of off_world_beings Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:17 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pity the Poor Pundits I suspect the loan indentured story to be more made-up unverifiable anti-TM propaganda, but if someone credible investigates it, then it would be interesting. The loan was for a SV house that each pundit was obligated to have built for his family. I don't know whether that means his own wife and kids, his parents, or what. I'll find out.
[FairfieldLife] God machine
http://www.slate.com/id/2165004/ How to wire your brain for religious ecstasy. By John Horgan Posted Thursday, April 26, 2007, at 7:19 AM ET Eight years ago, I flew to Laurentian University in Midwestern Canada to test a gadget that some journalists called the God machine. The device consisted of computer-controlled solenoids that fit over the skull and stimulate the brain with electromagnetic pulses. Its inventor, neuroscientist Michael Persinger, claimed that it could induce mystical experiences, including, as Wired magazine put it, visions of Jesus, the Virgin Mary, Mohammed, the Sky Spirit. I sat in a ratty armchair in a soundproof chamber and pulled the God machine onto my head as, outside the chamber, a graduate student tapped a computer keyboard. As he bombarded my brain with electromagnetic bursts patterned after brain waves of epileptics in the throes of religious visions, I waited for God or even a minor deity or demon to appearin vain. Persinger told me later that the device doesn't work on skeptics, implying that it works merely by exploiting subjects' suggestibility. Persinger is one of the more colorful characters in the fast-growing, flakey field of neurotheology, which studies what is arguably the most complex manifestationspiritualityof the most complex phenomenonthe human brainknown to science. Given that brain researchers have no idea how I conceived and typed this sentence, I doubt they will ever account for religious experiences in all their vast diversity and subtlety. Nor will they solve the riddle of whether God actually exists or is a figment of our evolved imaginations, like unicorns or superstrings. Neurotheology may nonetheless have a profound social impact, by yielding more potent, reliable methods of inducing spiritual experiences. Surveys suggest that only about one in three people has ever had a mystical experience, defined by one poll as the sensation of a powerful spiritual force that seemed to lift you out of yourself. Humans have long sought such experiences through meditation, yoga, prayer, guru-worship, fasting, and flagellation, but these methods are unreliable, notes James Austin, author of Zen and the Brain, one of the best books on neurotheology. Austin hopes that neurotheology will eventually yield much more potent, precise methods of inducing transcendent experiences, from fleeting feelings of connectedness all the way up to the full moon of enlightenment. Persinger's God machine may not have done much for me, but here's a brief status report on four mystical technologies with potential: Mystical Brain Chips In the 1950s, Canadian neurosurgeon Wilder Penfield, while preparing epileptic patients for surgery, stimulated their exposed brains with electrodes. Some patients heard voices or music and saw apparitions when their temporal lobes were stimulated. Upon learning about Penfield's experiments, Aldous Huxley wrote: Is there, one wonders, some area in the brain from which the probing electrode could elicit Blake's Cherubim? One still wonders. A Swiss team recently induced out-of-body experiences in an epileptic patient about to undergo surgery by stimulating her right angular gyrus, which underpins spatial awareness. Other groups have shown that implanted electrodes can trigger euphoria, and in fact they are now being tested as treatments for severe depression (as well as paralysis, tremors, and epilepsy). In principle, implants would provide the most precise, powerful means of inducing religious ecstasy. Indeed, self-described Wireheads look forward to the day when these devices will vanquish mental suffering and deliver ecstasy on demand. But for now, this technology which requires inserting wires into the brain through holes drilled in the skullremains too risky for all but the most desperate patients. Magic Wands Transcranial magnetic stimulation, or TMS, is noninvasive and hence safer and easier to test than implants. Researchers have reported success in treating depression and other disorders with this method, which often employs electromagnetic wands as well as headsets. Persinger insists that TMS, properly used, can also induce intense mystical experiences. A group at Uppsala University has tried and failed to replicate Persinger's results in a controlled, double-blind experiment. Todd Murphy, a neuroscientist who has worked with Persinger, is nonetheless marketing a version of the God machine called the Shakti (a Hindu term for divinity), which according to Murphy's Web site uses magnetic fields to create altered states. Tweaking the God Gene The work of Dean Hamer, a geneticist at the National Cancer Institute, raises the prospect of genetically engineered mystics. Hamer claims to have found a gene associated with self- transcendence or spirituality in a group of 1,000 subjects who filled out surveys that probed their beliefs in God, ESP, and so on. Hamer calls this
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pity, the Poor Pundits
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of feste37 Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:27 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pity, the Poor Pundits One thing's for sure: the pundits don't need your pity. Spare that for people whose chief interest is spreading rumors designed to discredit the TMO. The TMO discredits itself through its unethical tactics. The culture of secrecy shrouding it all these years was established to hide some pretty damning secrets. Were not trying to spread rumors here. Just to get to the truth. That truth makes TBs squirm because it clashes with their naïve, idealistic notions of MMY and the TMO.
[FairfieldLife] Note to Shemp
We approved 5 posts this morning which you had sent, over the limit, yesterday. So you're maxed out for the day. The things you're posting now won't be approved 'till tomorrow.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Narada, a cup of tea and, please, don't spi
Judy writes: Rick and most of the others here *like* it that way, nice and bland, minimal spontaneity, minimal interaction, a showcase for those who like to do set pieces, a little of this, a little of that, move on to the next. Criticism of MMY and the TMO along party lines; a bit of tame dissent is OK here and there, as long as it doesn't get in anybody's face. Above all, keep it *safe*. Avoid disturbance at all costs. TomT: Way better than the 50+ posts a day from you on the subject of he said she said 14 lifetimes ago and Judy has the quotes to prove it. You lost your soapbox and no amount of whining or bitching (AKA as harrassing)is going to bring it back. The present volume is readable and enjoyable for those of us who have a life beyond this forum.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Narada, a cup of tea and, please, don't spi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy writes: Rick and most of the others here *like* it that way, nice and bland, minimal spontaneity, minimal interaction, a showcase for those who like to do set pieces, a little of this, a little of that, move on to the next. Criticism of MMY and the TMO along party lines; a bit of tame dissent is OK here and there, as long as it doesn't get in anybody's face. Above all, keep it *safe*. Avoid disturbance at all costs. TomT: Way better than the 50+ posts a day from you on the subject of I never made anywhere near that many posts per day on *any* subject, liar. he said she said 14 lifetimes ago and Judy has the quotes to prove it. Sorry, same lifetime. Barry's the one who tries to make points based on his alleged past lives. Barry is also the one who *began* this bickering and has relentlessly perpetuated it, but God forbid you should cast any aspersions on him. You lost your soapbox and no amount of whining or bitching (AKA as harrassing)is going to bring it back. As usual, you don't know what you're talking about. I'm not whining about losing a soapbox; I've asked Rick twice now, explicitly, to put Barry and me on moderation to keep him under the kind of restraint he is obviously unable to exercise himself, because the five-post limit hasn't, and won't, do the trick. Of course I wasn't talking about a lack of opportunity to harass (which, BTW, is what you're doing now to me and have for quite some time, hypocrite). What I'm regretting is the decline in vibrant, dynamic, intellectually challenging conversation since the five-post limit was imposed. The present volume is readable and enjoyable for those of us who have a life beyond this forum. Yes indeed, just as I said: Rick and most of the others here *like* it that way, nice and bland, minimal spontaneity, minimal interaction, a showcase for those who like to do set pieces, a little of this, a little of that, move on to the next. Criticism of MMY and the TMO along party lines; a bit of tame dissent is OK here and there, as long as it doesn't get in anybody's face. Above all, keep it *safe*. Avoid disturbance at all costs.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Oh What a Lovely Mess!
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World Trade center, at least according to Rosie on the View.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Narada, a cup of tea and, please, don't spill a drop
Somehow, it seems like there's a complaint here, though I can't seem to match the accuracy, nor the relevance of such to my 'two' posts about searching for a story, one that there's a high likelihood someone in this forum can help with, in a 'mature' and diplomatic way, as it seems that Marek has endeavored to do and be, with 'one' post. Have there been phantom posts that I am unaware of that have continued a conversation between Marek and myself that, it seems, neither Marek nor I are aware of? Three posts, in search of an accurate rendering of a humanly relevant story conveying conscientious, not contentious, attention to furthering human evolution, an imperative in defining what it means to be, and the deservedness of being considered 'human' at all. What's not being understood here, among carbon-based entities priveledge to walk among us in the guise of humans? *To jeopardize the unity of the human race by creating factions is not the purpose of Dharma. Those who encourage vested interests survive on the mental weaknesses of people and their dissensions, and that is why they are scared of the spread of the ideals of Dharma and exhibit their intolerance towards it in all sorts of immoral ways, such as abuse, false propaganda and lies. * *I want every person to be complete in themselves. Your himsa has no place in my mission. * * * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Marek and DharmaMitra want to go on all night telling nice puranic stories, 10-20 posts each, they have my vote. Sometimes the grahas grab you, the sun shines in your heart a certain way, one is in the zone with a particular idea. I say when that happens -- go for it. Pursue the thought and dialogue for all to enjoy. A strict anal five post a day limit squeezes the life out of such moments. And squeezes the life out of FFL. On 5/1/07, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick and most of the others here *like* it that way, nice and bland, minimal spontaneity, minimal interaction, a showcase for those who like to do set pieces, a little of this, a little of that, move on to the next. Criticism of MMY and the TMO along party lines; a bit of tame dissent is OK here and there, as long as it doesn't get in anybody's face. Above all, keep it *safe*. Avoid disturbance at all costs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Narada, a cup of tea and, please, don't spill a drop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really -- It's A No-Brainer. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somehow, it seems like there's a complaint here, If you're addressing me, no complaint from me whatsoever. I was talking about a much larger picture. new morning was as well, I think. though I can't seem to match the accuracy, nor the relevance of such to my 'two' posts about searching for a story, one that there's a high likelihood someone in this forum can help with, in a 'mature' and diplomatic way, as it seems that Marek has endeavored to do and be, with 'one' post. Have there been phantom posts that I am unaware of that have continued a conversation between Marek and myself that, it seems, neither Marek nor I are aware of? Three posts, in search of an accurate rendering of a humanly relevant story conveying conscientious, not contentious, attention to furthering human evolution, an imperative in defining what it means to be, and the deservedness of being considered 'human' at all. What's not being understood here, among carbon-based entities priveledge to walk among us in the guise of humans? *To jeopardize the unity of the human race by creating factions is not the purpose of Dharma. Those who encourage vested interests survive on the mental weaknesses of people and their dissensions, and that is why they are scared of the spread of the ideals of Dharma and exhibit their intolerance towards it in all sorts of immoral ways, such as abuse, false propaganda and lies. * *I want every person to be complete in themselves. Your himsa has no place in my mission. * * * --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: If Marek and DharmaMitra want to go on all night telling nice puranic stories, 10-20 posts each, they have my vote. Sometimes the grahas grab you, the sun shines in your heart a certain way, one is in the zone with a particular idea. I say when that happens -- go for it. Pursue the thought and dialogue for all to enjoy. A strict anal five post a day limit squeezes the life out of such moments. And squeezes the life out of FFL. On 5/1/07, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick and most of the others here *like* it that way, nice and bland, minimal spontaneity, minimal interaction, a showcase for those who like to do set pieces, a little of this, a little of that, move on to the next. Criticism of MMY and the TMO along party lines; a bit of tame dissent is OK here and there, as long as it doesn't get in anybody's face. Above all, keep it *safe*. Avoid disturbance at all costs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: George Bush is obviously responsible!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really -- It's A No-Brainer. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Or the illusion thereof. It is truly valuable in that people will pay almost anything for it. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society. As a corollary, I would say that anyone who suggests that they *are* such a person with a moral conscience and who thus deserves to lead others is almost by definition unqualified to do so. It's a quandary. :-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Narada, a cup of tea and, please, don't spill a drop
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really -- It's A No-Brainer. Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 12:11 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Narada, a cup of tea and, please, don't spill a drop Somehow, it seems like there's a complaint here, though I can't seem to match the accuracy, nor the relevance of such to my 'two' posts about searching for a story, one that there's a high likelihood someone in this forum can help with, in a 'mature' and diplomatic way, as it seems that Marek has endeavored to do and be, with 'one' post. Have there been phantom posts that I am unaware of that have continued a conversation between Marek and myself that, it seems, neither Marek nor I are aware of? Three posts, in search of an accurate rendering of a humanly relevant story conveying conscientious, not contentious, attention to furthering human evolution, an imperative in defining what it means to be, and the deservedness of being considered 'human' at all. What's not being understood here, among carbon-based entities priveledge to walk among us in the guise of humans? Actually, New Morning was saying that although you and Marek hadn't exceeded your posting quota, he wouldn't mind if you did, because it was a meaningful conversation. I agree with him, and that's the way FFL used to be, except for one or two obsessive posters. With the AMT influx, the big time bickering and Spraig overposting got out of hand. Hence, the current posting limit, an unfortunate necessity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good Writing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love good writing. When I don't agree with you or Curtis, (and several other good writers here whom I am too lazy to list) I still read the entire post -- that's good writing. I completely agree. I find that with some posters, I will read every word of every post they write, just because they've established a track record of either being good writers or consistently having something interesting to say, or both. Then there are the posts I read reluctantly, with my finger poised over the Next key at all times, for the same track record reason. Suffice it to say that your posts are in the former category. To me, posting here HAS to be about creativity. It doesn't *have* to be, cf. most of Usenet. :-) I just have too deep a certainty about my own confusions to pose as a teacher -- though indeed, most jyotishis told me I was destined to be one. Same here, on both fronts. Plus, I've spent too much of my life being a teacher while feeling this way to ever want to do it again. If I have anything of value to say, it'll be in my writing. You ain't gonna ever find me giving darshan any- where. :-) I read the writings of the world class brains out there in the real world, and I'm panting to keep up. Try reading Thomas Aquinas about consciousnessit'll test you as much as that Science of Being and Art of Living chapter about when consciousness becomes conscious. And, as much as I could get an A+ on my Advaita final exam, I just don't have the intellectual chops to produce something that's bankable guru spew. Given what's become of many who do have those chops, you might consider yourself fortunate. :-) But I do have the ability to sing of my perspectives, and that's a valid and authoritative and legitimate expression, cuz, who else is inside my head, eh? So that's my field of expertise -- I'm the expert on the hilarity of Edg's lack of ability to do anything extremely well. LOL. I can identify fully. I once got tasked with writing a book about my adventures with a particular spiritual teacher, and the result was writer's block that lasted almost a decade. What finally broke it was realizing that the only way I could do justice to the task of writing about what it's like to study with an interesting spiritual teacher is to *not* write about him, to make it a seeker's tale, very subjective -- *my* experience along the Way. Oh, read Ramana Maharshi or Nisargadatta. Those two guys covered it all with such simple statements. What more could anyone do? Don't look at me! Comparatively, I'm the kid in the back of the class shooting spit wads and burping when the teacher is writing on the blackboard. I was the kid in English class ignoring what the teacher said and writing my own stories. I'm only having funzies. I don't have serious goals when all the knowledge is really right there in the books. Or inside each of us, as close as closing our eyes and opening our minds. Sigh. In India, they say, Knowledge in the books stays in the books. And if ever there was a place where horses were brought to drink but refuse to do so, it's here, and so teaching anyone or converting anyone or even just slightly influencing anyone posting here is purdy durned nigh on to impossible. Not to mention none of my damned business. Like you, I just throw out ideas to play with them, like you throw spaghetti against the wall to see if it's done yet. The readers here are very practiced and bristling, and I don't have the desire to get into a fist fight here, so I'm a trollish gadfly to some extent in that I'm just getting my ego's hunger for attention assuaged. Or just having fun. Which may be the same thing. :-) I just haven't wanted to correct anyone's mistakes -- not when I'd have to throw a stone from my glass house at them. Not to mention that to correct someone's mistake, one has to assume that one is in a state of conscious- ness from which one can tell what is a mistake. :-) That's one of the best things about FFlife: you can be sure that only a certain low level of bullshit can get past the eyes here, otherwise one is crisped in short order. I barely escaped alive from telling you folks about paying for a soldier's meal -- it was so ladened with my own hubris, so I'm ducking and weaving, and it keeps me honest enough to have a modicum of integrity when I write. Yup. But it was a good story, and told with style. All my life I've been mostly a guarded personality that took only known risks, but here, I've been letting myself laugh at me for all the ridiculousness, and it's been freeing to just be honest instead of creating a very clever mask. Indeed. I suspect that only those who never drop their masks tend to see those who are just having fun with their writing as wearing one. Not that I'm not wearing a mask all the time, but
[FairfieldLife] Dear Prudence with nice Indian footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5b2tbIr1e8
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: George Bush is obviously responsible!
Somehow you got placed at the head of your body, how do the sells and biosystems of your body feel about your leadership? Perhaps they could have been freer and more themselves if they hadn't joined up with the cumulative endeavor to benefit you? *To jeopardize the unity of the human race by creating factions is not the purpose of Dharma. Those who encourage vested interests survive on the mental weaknesses of people and their dissensions, and that is why they are scared of the spread of the ideals of Dharma and exhibit their intolerance towards it in all sorts of immoral ways, such as abuse, false propaganda and lies.* On 5/1/07, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really -- It's A No-Brainer. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Or the illusion thereof. It is truly valuable in that people will pay almost anything for it. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society. As a corollary, I would say that anyone who suggests that they *are* such a person with a moral conscience and who thus deserves to lead others is almost by definition unqualified to do so. It's a quandary. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flourishingly, Dharma Mitra Helping you Say It With Panache! Because, how you say it can be, and often is, as important as what you want to convey, and what you have to say is very important to you. http://PROUT-Ananlysis-Synthesis.latest-info.com Copywriting - Editing - Publishing - Publicity I want every person to be complete in themselves. Your himsa has no place in my mission. Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Narada, a cup of tea and, please, don't spill a drop
Thanks for the clarification, Rick, I wasn't aware of the overposting complaints nor the new limits. It'd be really cooleth if there was greater message capacity at yahoo, now wouldn't that put some YeaHaw in our digital britches! *Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace to society.* On 5/1/07, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *From:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really -- It's A No-Brainer. *Sent:* Tuesday, May 01, 2007 12:11 PM *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Narada, a cup of tea and, please, don't spill a drop Somehow, it seems like there's a complaint here, though I can't seem to match the accuracy, nor the relevance of such to my 'two' posts about searching for a story, one that there's a high likelihood someone in this forum can help with, in a 'mature' and diplomatic way, as it seems that Marek has endeavored to do and be, with 'one' post. Have there been phantom posts that I am unaware of that have continued a conversation between Marek and myself that, it seems, neither Marek nor I are aware of? Three posts, in search of an accurate rendering of a humanly relevant story conveying conscientious, not contentious, attention to furthering human evolution, an imperative in defining what it means to be, and the deservedness of being considered 'human' at all. What's not being understood here, among carbon-based entities priveledge to walk among us in the guise of humans? ** Actually, New Morning was saying that although you and Marek hadn't exceeded your posting quota, he wouldn't mind if you did, because it was a meaningful conversation. I agree with him, and that's the way FFL used to be, except for one or two obsessive posters. With the AMT influx, the big time bickering and Spraig overposting got out of hand. Hence, the current posting limit, an unfortunate necessity.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found a new one!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This thread rocks! There are so many designations of specialness. Purusha inactive wiener, kinky loin cloths. And possibly wet loincloths while sleeping. Mother Divine inactive uh,... oh you get the point! Must be fun explaining to the relatives the difference between 'Mother Divine' and 'Spinster' on holidays. Naah, that's easy. Spinsters don't hit their relatives up for money for the Next Big Thing every time they come home. Rising Citizen hasn't forked over the dough yet, Washes pots and pans in movement facilities. And doesn't raise a ruckus when told that his course credit has been devalued to half its former value. Or taken away altogether. Minister the course cost a lot but it gave you zero pull afterwards, sorry. I've been away from the TMO for far too long to actually remember any of the names of the Ministries, but they'd be a fun addition to this thread. I always wanted to be part of the Ministry of Redundancy Ministry. I think my favorite is His Divinity which refers to Guru Dev's nature as beyond human. Interesting recipe aside, I find myself wondering how Guru Dev himself would *feel* about being called this. I would *hope* that he would be not only offended, but saddened that people had so not gotten The Point Of It All to consider a normal, everyday seeker who had realized his normal, everyday enlightenment divine. To imply that he was divine doesn't add to his stature in my book; it takes away from it. The message of enlightenment is that *anyone* can realize it. To portray a human being who has done nothing more than realize his own essential nature as enlightenment as having accomplished that as a result of being divine seems to me to be a disservice to the whole study of enlightenment. But that's probably just me...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Note to Shemp Great note to him keep it up Rick for all
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[FairfieldLife] srimad bhagavatam
A friend wants to know: speaking of the Shrimad Bhagavatam... do you know where i can find the story of krishna holding up the mountain and all the people holding up their sticks to help?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Narada, a cup of tea and, please, don't spill a drop
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really -- It's A No-Brainer. Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 1:22 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Narada, a cup of tea and, please, don't spill a drop Thanks for the clarification, Rick, I wasn't aware of the overposting complaints nor the new limits. It'd be really cooleth if there was greater message capacity at yahoo, now wouldn't that put some YeaHaw in our digital britches! It's not Yahoo's limitation. It's our own, self-imposed limitation, to reign in squabbling over-posters.
[FairfieldLife] Re: srimad bhagavatam
---You mean the Govardhana Hill. Google it. Something should turn up. The Hare Krishna Guru AC Bhaktivedanta Swami has the most detailed accounts of the exploits of Krishna in his 20+ volumes of the Srimad Bhagavatam. Contact a Hare Krishna at your nearest airport. In regard to the Pundits, it's obvious that they're being treated poorly. There's level of creeping Girishism in what remains of the TMO, as a prelude to a takeover. The Pundits would be better off converting to Mormonism. They could be a new Church of the Latter Day Vedic Pundits. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend wants to know: speaking of the Shrimad Bhagavatam... do you know where i can find the story of krishna holding up the mountain and all the people holding up their sticks to help?
[FairfieldLife] FLAKY STORY:..//was... Pity the Poor Pundits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some pundit news from a well-informed inside source: The pundits are indentured to the TMO for at least 20 years. snip..Anyway, as long as they are punditing, the movement covers the payments, but if they leave, they have to cover them. If they don't Anand and Prakash Srivastava sic the police on them. This happened to the ex-pundit from whom I got this information. Lol, there is a serious flaw in this alleged insiders claim. His ex-pundit (if such there be)...was not put in jail by the police as alleged in this concocted story. So there appears to be no problem for the pundits, even if they leave the TMO. Anti-TM Fundamentalist True Believers just keep taking the cool-aid. OffWorld .
[FairfieldLife] Re: Narada, a cup of tea and, please, don't spill a drop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really -- It's A No-Brainer. Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 1:22 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Narada, a cup of tea and, please, don't spill a drop Thanks for the clarification, Rick, I wasn't aware of the overposting complaints nor the new limits. It'd be really cooleth if there was greater message capacity at yahoo, now wouldn't that put some YeaHaw in our digital britches! It's not Yahoo's limitation. It's our own, self-imposed limitation, to reign in squabbling over-posters. How do you sleep with yourself, Rick?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Prudence with nice Indian footage
Rick Archer wrote: Dear Prudence with nice Indian footage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5b2tbIr1e8 thankx rick, this video is awesome; gotta love it! can anyone tell me, which one is Prudence?
[FairfieldLife] Re: This guy Girish is creepy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Is this ... http://tinyurl.com/2pgkuf http://tinyurl.com/2pgkuf ... the same guy as this: http://tinyurl.com/2l72eu http://tinyurl.com/2l72eu If so, he's one creepy bastard! I think he fashions himself a Maharishi and can't wait for his uncle to die so that he can take a shot at sitting on the deer skin. Anyone getting a similar vibe? Creepy? Very. Cross him at your peril. The core of the movement mafia. A chip off the old block: a beautiful, enlightened asura churning the cosmic ocean of consciousness. Only in Kali Yuga! Peter, you just gave him a huge compliment and you don't even know it. OffWorld
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Prudence with nice Indian footage
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of george_deforest Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 3:21 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Prudence with nice Indian footage Rick Archer wrote: Dear Prudence with nice Indian footage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5b2tbIr1e8 thankx rick, this video is awesome; gotta love it! can anyone tell me, which one is Prudence? I'll see if I can tell you when I've watched the whole thing. I ran into Prudy's husband, Al Bruns, over the weekend. They're living in FF now. He's on the invincibility course. She's getting her Ph.D. in Vedic Medicine.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Narada, a cup of tea and, please, don't spill a drop
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 3:19 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Narada, a cup of tea and, please, don't spill a drop It's not Yahoo's limitation. It's our own, self-imposed limitation, to reign in squabbling over-posters. How do you sleep with yourself, Rick? I don't. I sleep with my wife.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Pundit Vids?
off_world_beings wrote: Anyone got any Vids of large groups of Maharishi Pundits they care to post online. I remember seeing one of a very large group doing a yagya in Maharishi Nagar. Doubt if there have been any large groups like that since. Would be a good historical video OffWorld could not find this back when you asked for it, but came upon it today! http://globalcountryofworldpeace.org/video/ http://globalcountryofworldpeace.org/video/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Pundit Vids?
forgot to say, this link gives you some files ... you may have to open them directly in Real Player, (may not open in your browser.) off_world_beings wrote: Anyone got any Vids of large groups of Maharishi Pundits they care to post online. I remember seeing one of a very large group doing a yagya in Maharishi Nagar. Doubt if there have been any large groups like that since. Would be a good historical video OffWorld could not find this back when you asked for it, but came upon it today! http://globalcountryofworldpeace.org/video/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Pundit Vids?
---Thanks, George...you are t...kind! Couldn't bring up the video on this computer but the title said RudraI assume Rudra- Abhisheka or simply called the Rudram, probably the most important long chant to Shiva. Combined with the ritual offerings of flowers, water, etc; to the Murti of Shiva, we have (possibly) the MOST powerful type of puja in our galaxy: the Rudra-Abhishekam. This innovation (though not original); is one of MMY's more brilliant brain-childs; i.e. the idea to use this powerful ritual to dispell the evil vibes. Now I'm wondering what would happen if Girish did the Rudra- Abhishekam. Would he self-destruct? At any rate, one can obtain the Rudram chant from http://www.arunachala.org ...as part of the evening Veda-Parayana. It's chanted by some pundits at the Ramanasramam (Ashram of Ramana Maharshi) in Tiruvannamalai. This particular audio CD may possibly be the most powerful recording of any Skt. chant. Get it right away!. I believe that the Pundit program will collapse in due time when MMY passes away and Girish tries to take over. No matter! Lord Shiva in His infinite Wisdom will always have alternative options. Playing the Rudram on a regular basis will help install the Shiva vibes in your brain. Relying on the Pundits is an uncertain affair. You can get the powerful Shiva vibes right in your room by playing the Rudram tape. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: off_world_beings wrote: Anyone got any Vids of large groups of Maharishi Pundits they care to post online. I remember seeing one of a very large group doing a yagya in Maharishi Nagar. Doubt if there have been any large groups like that since. Would be a good historical video OffWorld could not find this back when you asked for it, but came upon it today! http://globalcountryofworldpeace.org/video/ http://globalcountryofworldpeace.org/video/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Prudence with nice Indian footage
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of george_deforest Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 3:21 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Prudence with nice Indian footage Rick Archer wrote: Dear Prudence with nice Indian footage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5b2tbIr1e8 thankx rick, this video is awesome; gotta love it! can anyone tell me, which one is Prudence? Didn't see her in there. I guess that was the point of the song.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Prudence with nice Indian footage
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of george_deforest Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 3:21 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dear Prudence with nice Indian footage Rick Archer wrote: Dear Prudence with nice Indian footage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5b2tbIr1e8 thankx rick, this video is awesome; gotta love it! can anyone tell me, which one is Prudence? Didn't see her in there. I guess that was the point of the song. FWIW, the guy who edited the clip and put it up says in the comments, in response to someone's question, that Prudence is in the clip, but he doesn't say where; another commenter says she's the dark-haired girl on the far left at the very end of the clip.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Pundit Vids?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: off_world_beings wrote: Anyone got any Vids of large groups of Maharishi Pundits they care to post online. I remember seeing one of a very large group doing a yagya in Maharishi Nagar. Doubt if there have been any large groups like that since. Would be a good historical video OffWorld could not find this back when you asked for it, but came upon it today! http://globalcountryofworldpeace.org/video/ http://globalcountryofworldpeace.org/video/ Thanks - excellent ! Wow, what I would do to get the full length yagya version of this !...it is very inspiring and evocative of the power even in this short clip with only young boys. Imagine 10,000 experienced pundits chanting this !..the world would wake up changed the next day. OffWorld
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[FairfieldLife] Why doesn't someone start a new open-ended group (was Re: Narada)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick and most of the others here *like* it that way, nice and bland, minimal spontaneity, minimal interaction, a showcase for those who like to do set pieces, a little of this, a little of that, move on to the next. Criticism of MMY and the TMO along party lines; a bit of tame dissent is OK here and there, as long as it doesn't get in anybody's face. Above all, keep it *safe*. Avoid disturbance at all costs. I had a thought as I was reading this-and that is, why don't you-Judy, or some of the others here who would like a more open-ended nonlimited forum for discussions, start a different yahoo group, they are very easy to start up and then you just post news of it here and people who want to have no limits can join that group? I'm not interested as I do like this blander version of FFlife, but there are a solid handful of posters here who have expressed the desire for this. It would take all of ten minutes to start up the yahoo group.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pity the Poor Pundits
Were the house $425,000 for 3,000 square feet, like the first ones sold here? --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of off_world_beings Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:17 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pity the Poor Pundits I suspect the loan indentured story to be more made-up unverifiable anti-TM propaganda, but if someone credible investigates it, then it would be interesting. The loan was for a SV house that each pundit was obligated to have built for his family. I don't know whether that means his own wife and kids, his parents, or what. I'll find out. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] srimad bhagavatam
I believe it was in that little pink book Meditations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi that I bought in the 70s. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend wants to know: speaking of the Shrimad Bhagavatam... do you know where i can find the story of krishna holding up the mountain and all the people holding up their sticks to help? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why doesn't someone start a new open-ended group (was Re: Narada)
On May 1, 2007, at 8:06 PM, Kenny H wrote: I had a thought as I was reading this-and that is, why don't you-Judy, or some of the others here who would like a more open-ended nonlimited forum for discussions, start a different yahoo group, they are very easy to start up and then you just post news of it here and people who want to have no limits can join that group? Of course that would be the obvious common-sense solution, Kenny, which is why it is unlikely to happen IMO--it's so much more fun to sit here, throw stones and complain ad nauseum. Or something. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: srimad bhagavatam
The Pundits would be better off converting to Mormonism. They could be a new Church of the Latter Day Vedic Pundits. Then they could move to Salt Lake City and enjoy beautiful surroundings, mountain views, skiing and a nightlife. --- qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---You mean the Govardhana Hill. Google it. Something should turn up. The Hare Krishna Guru AC Bhaktivedanta Swami has the most detailed accounts of the exploits of Krishna in his 20+ volumes of the Srimad Bhagavatam. Contact a Hare Krishna at your nearest airport. In regard to the Pundits, it's obvious that they're being treated poorly. There's level of creeping Girishism in what remains of the TMO, as a prelude to a takeover. The Pundits would be better off converting to Mormonism. They could be a new Church of the Latter Day Vedic Pundits. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend wants to know: speaking of the Shrimad Bhagavatam... do you know where i can find the story of krishna holding up the mountain and all the people holding up their sticks to help? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why doesn't someone start a new open-ended group (was Re: Narada)
I would never work, cause Barry would likely not join it. There are already plenty of other forums to post about TM in. --- Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick and most of the others here *like* it that way, nice and bland, minimal spontaneity, minimal interaction, a showcase for those who like to do set pieces, a little of this, a little of that, move on to the next. Criticism of MMY and the TMO along party lines; a bit of tame dissent is OK here and there, as long as it doesn't get in anybody's face. Above all, keep it *safe*. Avoid disturbance at all costs. I had a thought as I was reading this-and that is, why don't you-Judy, or some of the others here who would like a more open-ended nonlimited forum for discussions, start a different yahoo group, they are very easy to start up and then you just post news of it here and people who want to have no limits can join that group? I'm not interested as I do like this blander version of FFlife, but there are a solid handful of posters here who have expressed the desire for this. It would take all of ten minutes to start up the yahoo group. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pity, the Poor Pundits
Lsoma wrote: We, really want angry bitter men doing yagya? Sounds dangerous on many levels of intention. pundit campus, six months from now ?? http://www.19.5degs.com/nf/images/1727/zanjeer.jpg http://www.19.5degs.com/nf/images/1727/zanjeer.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found a new one!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find myself wondering how Guru Dev himself would *feel* about being called this. I would *hope* that he would be not only offended, but saddened that people had so not gotten The Point Of It All to consider a normal, everyday seeker who had realized his normal, everyday enlightenment divine. To imply that he was divine doesn't add to his stature in my book; it takes away from it. The message of enlightenment is that *anyone* can realize it. To portray a human being who has done nothing more than realize his own essential nature as enlightenment as having accomplished that as a result of being divine seems to me to be a disservice to the whole study of enlightenment. But that's probably just me... To proclaim His Divinity Brahmananda Saraswati (Guru Dev) as divine is a reflection of his status as a most highly evolved human being; more human than those who retain their animal nature, He Who Barks On Two Legs. As you may know, we are all Divine. It is not a criticism to say that of someone else. More of a scientific determination of their evolution than anything else. I realize you are just fucking around here, but others may be confused by your constant attempts to sound ignorant.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pity, the Poor Pundits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lsoma wrote: We, really want angry bitter men doing yagya? Sounds dangerous on many levels of intention. Maharishi's weapon, of mass destruction? pundit campus, six months from now ?? http://www.19.5degs.com/nf/images/1727/zanjeer.jpg http://www.19.5degs.com/nf/images/1727/zanjeer.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch on-line tomorrow at Washington Post.com
Didn't see it - but 'Lynch' typed into the AP search field on Drudge led to the Washington Post site that announces that David Lynch will be on-line tomorrow, Wed., May 2nd, at noon. The subject is Fishing. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/3cx4ur
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pity, the Poor Pundits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lsoma wrote: We, really want angry bitter men doing yagya? Sounds dangerous on many levels of intention. pundit campus, six months from now ?? Lol ! ! ! And they will then take over America ! OffWorld http://www.19.5degs.com/nf/images/1727/zanjeer.jpg http://www.19.5degs.com/nf/images/1727/zanjeer.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch and TM make Drudge Report
I scan Drudge daily, and am increasingly impressed with the access it provides to publications world-wide. From Drudge, access to content is convenient by being both log-in and password-free. Drudge posted the Lynch story directly beneath a picture of Hillary Clinton and a story about Hillary dropping her maiden name for the campaign. 'Lynch' typed into the 'Search Drudge' field leads to the edition of Drudge that carried the Lynch story: FILMMAKER DAVID LYNCH ANNOUNCES PLAN TO END SCHOOL VIOLENCE... ^ From the April 30, 2007 20:18:13 GMT edition of the Drudge Report --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/3cx4ur
[FairfieldLife] Re: I found a new one!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: This thread rocks! There are so many designations of specialness. Purusha inactive wiener, kinky loin cloths. And possibly wet loincloths while sleeping. Dear Turquoise. I just had a vision of your future lifetime ! Here's how it goesfirst you wake up from your stupor in a pile of sleeping vagrants...THEN !..it goes downhill from there. Sorry, probably should have kept this to myself. OffWorld Mother Divine inactive uh,... oh you get the point! Must be fun explaining to the relatives the difference between 'Mother Divine' and 'Spinster' on holidays. Naah, that's easy. Spinsters don't hit their relatives up for money for the Next Big Thing every time they come home. Rising Citizen hasn't forked over the dough yet, Washes pots and pans in movement facilities. And doesn't raise a ruckus when told that his course credit has been devalued to half its former value. Or taken away altogether. Minister the course cost a lot but it gave you zero pull afterwards, sorry. I've been away from the TMO for far too long to actually remember any of the names of the Ministries, but they'd be a fun addition to this thread. I always wanted to be part of the Ministry of Redundancy Ministry. I think my favorite is His Divinity which refers to Guru Dev's nature as beyond human. Interesting recipe aside, I find myself wondering how Guru Dev himself would *feel* about being called this. I would *hope* that he would be not only offended, but saddened that people had so not gotten The Point Of It All to consider a normal, everyday seeker who had realized his normal, everyday enlightenment divine. To imply that he was divine doesn't add to his stature in my book; it takes away from it. The message of enlightenment is that *anyone* can realize it. To portray a human being who has done nothing more than realize his own essential nature as enlightenment as having accomplished that as a result of being divine seems to me to be a disservice to the whole study of enlightenment. But that's probably just me...
[FairfieldLife] Why doesn't someone start a new open-ended group (was Re: Narada)
people are attracted to the evil intent of this group, either trying counter it or morbid curiousity of what the next fabrications will be --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Rick and most of the others here *like* it that way, nice and bland, minimal spontaneity, minimal interaction, a showcase for those who like to do set pieces, a little of this, a little of that, move on to the next. Criticism of MMY and the TMO along party lines; a bit of tame dissent is OK here and there, as long as it doesn't get in anybody's face. Above all, keep it *safe*. Avoid disturbance at all costs. I had a thought as I was reading this-and that is, why don't you- Judy, or some of the others here who would like a more open-ended nonlimited forum for discussions, start a different yahoo group, they are very easy to start up and then you just post news of it here and people who want to have no limits can join that group? I'm not interested as I do like this blander version of FFlife, but there are a solid handful of posters here who have expressed the desire for this. It would take all of ten minutes to start up the yahoo group.
