[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Life as Reality Hologram
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nelson nelsonriddle2...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm more comfortable with allowing round holes to remain round holes. I don't feel the need to redefine them as square pegs, or even under- stand what makes some things round holes and others square pegs. Things just *are* the way that they are. +++ Does everything exist with no reason? Why not? Would you feel diminished or lessened if your life had no meaning, no reason for its existence? I wouldn't. I'd just invent my own. As, in my opinion, has everyone in human history who has ever claimed to know the reason. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Victor Stenger's New Athiesm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Sep 16, 2009, at 11:55 AM, hugheshugo wrote: I think that if telepathy were even remotely possible we wouldn't need to test for it, as we'd be using it every single day to do just about everything. Well consider Rupert Sheldrake's sense of being stared at as just this nascent ability. Almost all humans have it. Surely you've felt as if someone was looking at you, only to turn around and find it to be the case? I would suspect this is our atrophied version of this (natural) ability. I once did a tape recorded woman on the street survey for a book proposal, asking women this very question. The book never got written because the publisher went out of business shortly after commissioning it, but it would have been inter- esting IMO because over that weekend I talked to maybe 200 women on the streets of Westwood, 80% of whom said that they immediately knew not only when someone was staring at them, but *which body part* the person was staring at. I did a mental cross check on this, trying to see whether women with great legs just assumed that the person was staring at their legs, but there was no correlation. A few of the women, intrigued with the project, allowed me to walk along with them and test it out. It was amazing. The women would be walking along, looking in a shop window, and say to me, There's one. It's a guy, and he's checkin' out my tits. I'd look, her still looking the other way, and sure enough some guy would be staring right at her tits. And they weren't even big tits. :-) I see the same thing every day in Sitges when walking through the gay gauntlet at the Parrots Bar. Maybe 50 gay guys on each side of the street, checkin' out all the gay guys who walk by. And without fail, when they are checkin' out someone's face, that person's hands raise involuntarily to their face. If it's their ass being checked out, they hitch up their jeans or straighten their shorts. They don't check me out at all, so I just walk through. I don't know whether to consider this an insult or a testament to the effectiveness of their gaydar. :-) I've *always* had this ability. I use it as a party trick. I wait until I get the feeling that I am being stared at, which for me always comes with a kind of directionality in that I sense exactly what part of the room the star- ing is coming from. So then I wait a couple of seconds and then turn and look the starer right in the eyes, just to see how they react. If they flush and look embarrassed, that's one kind of reaction. If they smile and hold the look (and look not only interested but inter- esting), that's another kind of reaction, one I follow up by going over and talking to them. The only time I've been disappointed by this was when I walked over to this attractive woman who had been staring at me and said hello and she pointed out that she'd been staring at the big dollop of mustard I had spilled on my shirt and had been unaware of. No romance or hot date came of that interaction, but we both got a good laugh out of it. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Campaign For Liberty Daily Update
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life
What is your fanatical obsession with the Mormon religion, John Manning? Thousands of hits come up with you on Mormon sites. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: --- from Wiki: [edit] Professional life Skousen went to work for the Agricultural Adjustment Administration in June 1935. The following year he joined the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), where he worked until 1951. From 1951 to 1955, he taught at Brigham Young University. He served as Salt Lake City, Utah police chief for four years before being fired in 1960, by Mayor J. Bracken Lee.[1][2] Skousen was summarily dismissed shortly after Skousen raided an illegal poker club, where J. Bracken Lee was in attendance.[3][4] Lee characterized Skousen's strict enforcement of anti-gambling laws as like a Gestapo.[5][6] For the next fifteen years, Skousen edited the police journal, Law and Order. He returned to Brigham Young University as a professor of religion in 1967, retiring in 1978. I took a 'Book of Mormon' class from Skousen at BYU. I enjoyed it so much that I took a more advanced class from him on the same topic the second semester I was there. Religion classes were mandatory, even for non-Mormons such as myself. Skousen was an excellent Book of Mormon and scripture teacher, but in my view he was also a shifty eyed creep. I didn't trust him at all on a personal level. Two semesters was all I could stand of BYU. I transfered out to the U of Utah. Did you read the article below, yifuxero? In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life - Cleon Skousen was a right-wing crank whom even conservatives despised. Then Beck discovered him By Alexander Zaitchik - Salon.com - Sept. 16, 2009 Excerpted from the article: In reality...the so-called 912ers were summoned to D.C. by the man who changed Beck's life, and that helps explain why the movement is not the nonpartisan lovefest that Beck first sold on air with his trademark tears. Beck has created a massive meet-up for the disaffected, paranoid Palin-ite death panel wing of the GOP, those ideologues most susceptible to conspiracy theories and prone to latch on to eccentric distortions of fact in the name of opposing socialism. In that, they are true disciples of the late Mormon, W. Cleon Skousen, Beck's favorite writer and the author of the bible of the 9/12 movement, The 5,000 Year Leap. A once-famous anti-communist historian, Skousen was too extreme even for the conservative activists of the Goldwater era, but Glenn Beck has now rescued him from the remainder pile of history, and introduced him to a receptive new audience... What has Beck been pushing on his legions? Leap, first published in 1981, is a heavily illustrated and factually challenged attempt to explain American history through an unspoken lens of Mormon theology. Anyone who has followed Beck will recognize the book's title. Beck has been furiously promoting The 5,000 Year Leap for the past year, a push that peaked in March when he launched the 912 Project. That month, a new edition of The 5,000 Year Leap, complete with a laudatory new foreword by none other than Glenn Beck, came out of nowhere to hit No. 1 on Amazon. It remained in the top 15 all summer, holding the No. 1 spot in the government category for months. The book tops Beck's 912 Project required reading list, and is routinely sold at 912 Project meetings where guest speakers often use it as their primary source material... But more interesting than the contents of The 5,000 Year Leap, and more revealing for what it says about 912ers and the Glenn Beck Nation, is the book's author. W. Cleon Skousen was not a historian so much as a player in the history of the American far right; less a scholar of the republic than a threat to it. At least, that was the judgment of J. Edgar Hoover's FBI, which maintained a file on Skousen for years that eventually totaled some 2,000 pages. Before he died in 2006 at the age of 92, Skousen's own Mormon church publicly distanced itself from the foundation that Skousen founded and that has published previous editions of The 5,000 Year Leap. ... ---Willard Cleon Skousen was born in 1913 to American parents in a small Mormon frontier town in Alberta, Canada. When he was 10 his family moved to California, where he remained until he shipped off to England and Ireland for Mormon missionary work. In 1935, after graduating from a California junior college, the 23-year-old Skousen moved to Washington, where he worked briefly for a New Deal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: What is your fanatical obsession with the Mormon religion, John Manning? Thousands of hits come up with you on Mormon sites. Mormon sites? I write to one Mormon site. I lived in Mormon Utah for 35+ years, Shremp. Mormon religion and culture is a fascination of mine. It's a topic I'm intimately familiar with. While I've never been a Mormon myself, almost everyone on my mother's side of the family are[were while living] dyed-in-the-wool true believer Mormons [TBMs] going back to the pioneer days and polygamy. Mormon culture in Utah is predominately conservative and was the reddest of the red states in the last few presidential elections. My familiarity with the conservative Mormon culture and my political views make for a delightful spicy combination that makes discussion there quite [as the Mormons like to say] delightsome for me. Mesa AZ where I used to live, and I believe you may also IIRC, is heavily Mormon influenced as you must know. The Mormon temple grounds there with its huge pool of water is an extremely beautiful example of both Mormon temple design and the desert surroundings of Mesa. [http://wattfam.com/aboutus/mesa.jpg] Mesa Arizona Temple --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: --- from Wiki: [edit] Professional life Skousen went to work for the Agricultural Adjustment Administration in June 1935. The following year he joined the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), where he worked until 1951. From 1951 to 1955, he taught at Brigham Young University. He served as Salt Lake City, Utah police chief for four years before being fired in 1960, by Mayor J. Bracken Lee.[1][2] Skousen was summarily dismissed shortly after Skousen raided an illegal poker club, where J. Bracken Lee was in attendance.[3][4] Lee characterized Skousen's strict enforcement of anti-gambling laws as like a Gestapo.[5][6] For the next fifteen years, Skousen edited the police journal, Law and Order. He returned to Brigham Young University as a professor of religion in 1967, retiring in 1978. I took a 'Book of Mormon' class from Skousen at BYU. I enjoyed it so much that I took a more advanced class from him on the same topic the second semester I was there. Religion classes were mandatory, even for non-Mormons such as myself. Skousen was an excellent Book of Mormon and scripture teacher, but in my view he was also a shifty eyed creep. I didn't trust him at all on a personal level. Two semesters was all I could stand of BYU. I transfered out to the U of Utah. Did you read the article below, yifuxero? In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life - Cleon Skousen was a right-wing crank whom even conservatives despised. Then Beck discovered him By Alexander Zaitchik - Salon.com - Sept. 16, 2009 Excerpted from the article: In reality...the so-called 912ers were summoned to D.C. by the man who changed Beck's life, and that helps explain why the movement is not the nonpartisan lovefest that Beck first sold on air with his trademark tears. Beck has created a massive meet-up for the disaffected, paranoid Palin-ite death panel wing of the GOP, those ideologues most susceptible to conspiracy theories and prone to latch on to eccentric distortions of fact in the name of opposing socialism. In that, they are true disciples of the late Mormon, W. Cleon Skousen, Beck's favorite writer and the author of the bible of the 9/12 movement, The 5,000 Year Leap. A once-famous anti-communist historian, Skousen was too extreme even for the conservative activists of the Goldwater era, but Glenn Beck has now rescued him from the remainder pile of history, and introduced him to a receptive new audience... What has Beck been pushing on his legions? Leap, first published in 1981, is a heavily illustrated and factually challenged attempt to explain American history through an unspoken lens of Mormon theology. Anyone who has followed Beck will recognize the book's title. Beck has been furiously promoting The 5,000 Year Leap for the past year, a push that peaked in March when he launched the 912 Project. That month, a new edition of The 5,000 Year Leap, complete with a laudatory new foreword by none other than Glenn Beck, came out of nowhere to hit No. 1 on Amazon. It remained in the top 15 all summer, holding the No. 1 spot in the government category for months. The book tops Beck's 912 Project required reading list, and is routinely sold at 912 Project meetings where guest speakers often use it as their primary source material... But more interesting than the contents of The 5,000 Year Leap, and more revealing for what it says
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life
On Sep 17, 2009, at 10:47 AM, do.rflex wrote:--- InFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" shempmcg...@... wrote: What is your fanatical obsession with the Mormon religion, John Manning? Thousands of hits come up with you on Mormon sites.Mormon sites? I write to one Mormon site.I lived in Mormon Utah for 35+ years, Shremp. Mormon religion and culture is a fascination of mine. It's a topic I'm intimately familiar with.While I've never been a Mormon myself, almost everyone on my mother's side of the family are[were while living] dyed-in-the-wool true believer Mormons [TBMs] going back to the pioneer days and polygamy.Mormon culture in Utah is predominately conservative and was the reddest of the red states in the last few presidential elections.My familiarity with the conservative Mormon culture and my political views make for a delightful spicy combination that makes discussion there quite [as the Mormons like to say] "delightsome" for me.Mesa AZ where I used to live, and I believe you may also IIRC, is heavily Mormon influenced as you must know. The Mormon temple grounds there with its huge pool of water is an extremely beautiful example of both Mormon temple design and the desert surroundings of Mesa.Mesa Arizona TempleHey, flex, I'm just finishing up now one ofseveral books I've read on the crazy LeBaronclan--are you familiar with these guys?Quite a, um, cozy group. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life
You say that Mormonism goes back generations on your mother's side, to the days of polygamy. Do you have polygamists in your anscestry? If so, what do you know about it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What is your fanatical obsession with the Mormon religion, John Manning? Thousands of hits come up with you on Mormon sites. Mormon sites? I write to one Mormon site. I lived in Mormon Utah for 35+ years, Shremp. Mormon religion and culture is a fascination of mine. It's a topic I'm intimately familiar with. While I've never been a Mormon myself, almost everyone on my mother's side of the family are[were while living] dyed-in-the-wool true believer Mormons [TBMs] going back to the pioneer days and polygamy. Mormon culture in Utah is predominately conservative and was the reddest of the red states in the last few presidential elections. My familiarity with the conservative Mormon culture and my political views make for a delightful spicy combination that makes discussion there quite [as the Mormons like to say] delightsome for me. Mesa AZ where I used to live, and I believe you may also IIRC, is heavily Mormon influenced as you must know. The Mormon temple grounds there with its huge pool of water is an extremely beautiful example of both Mormon temple design and the desert surroundings of Mesa. [http://wattfam.com/aboutus/mesa.jpg] Mesa Arizona Temple --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: --- from Wiki: [edit] Professional life Skousen went to work for the Agricultural Adjustment Administration in June 1935. The following year he joined the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), where he worked until 1951. From 1951 to 1955, he taught at Brigham Young University. He served as Salt Lake City, Utah police chief for four years before being fired in 1960, by Mayor J. Bracken Lee.[1][2] Skousen was summarily dismissed shortly after Skousen raided an illegal poker club, where J. Bracken Lee was in attendance.[3][4] Lee characterized Skousen's strict enforcement of anti-gambling laws as like a Gestapo.[5][6] For the next fifteen years, Skousen edited the police journal, Law and Order. He returned to Brigham Young University as a professor of religion in 1967, retiring in 1978. I took a 'Book of Mormon' class from Skousen at BYU. I enjoyed it so much that I took a more advanced class from him on the same topic the second semester I was there. Religion classes were mandatory, even for non-Mormons such as myself. Skousen was an excellent Book of Mormon and scripture teacher, but in my view he was also a shifty eyed creep. I didn't trust him at all on a personal level. Two semesters was all I could stand of BYU. I transfered out to the U of Utah. Did you read the article below, yifuxero? In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life - Cleon Skousen was a right-wing crank whom even conservatives despised. Then Beck discovered him By Alexander Zaitchik - Salon.com - Sept. 16, 2009 Excerpted from the article: In reality...the so-called 912ers were summoned to D.C. by the man who changed Beck's life, and that helps explain why the movement is not the nonpartisan lovefest that Beck first sold on air with his trademark tears. Beck has created a massive meet-up for the disaffected, paranoid Palin-ite death panel wing of the GOP, those ideologues most susceptible to conspiracy theories and prone to latch on to eccentric distortions of fact in the name of opposing socialism. In that, they are true disciples of the late Mormon, W. Cleon Skousen, Beck's favorite writer and the author of the bible of the 9/12 movement, The 5,000 Year Leap. A once-famous anti-communist historian, Skousen was too extreme even for the conservative activists of the Goldwater era, but Glenn Beck has now rescued him from the remainder pile of history, and introduced him to a receptive new audience... What has Beck been pushing on his legions? Leap, first published in 1981, is a heavily illustrated and factually challenged attempt to explain American history through an unspoken lens of Mormon theology. Anyone who has followed Beck will recognize the book's title. Beck has been furiously promoting The 5,000 Year Leap for the past year, a push that peaked in March when he launched the 912 Project. That month, a new edition of The 5,000 Year Leap, complete with a laudatory new foreword by none other than Glenn Beck, came out of nowhere to hit No. 1 on Amazon. It remained
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Sep 17, 2009, at 10:47 AM, do.rflex wrote: - -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What is your fanatical obsession with the Mormon religion, John Manning? Thousands of hits come up with you on Mormon sites. Mormon sites? I write to one Mormon site. I lived in Mormon Utah for 35+ years, Shremp. Mormon religion and culture is a fascination of mine. It's a topic I'm intimately familiar with. While I've never been a Mormon myself, almost everyone on my mother's side of the family are[were while living] dyed-in-the-wool true believer Mormons [TBMs] going back to the pioneer days and polygamy. Mormon culture in Utah is predominately conservative and was the reddest of the red states in the last few presidential elections. My familiarity with the conservative Mormon culture and my political views make for a delightful spicy combination that makes discussion there quite [as the Mormons like to say] delightsome for me. Mesa AZ where I used to live, and I believe you may also IIRC, is heavily Mormon influenced as you must know. The Mormon temple grounds there with its huge pool of water is an extremely beautiful example of both Mormon temple design and the desert surroundings of Mesa. Mesa Arizona Temple Hey, flex, I'm just finishing up now one of several books I've read on the crazy LeBaron clan--are you familiar with these guys? Quite a, um, cozy group. Sal Yeah. That's some very creepy stuff. The LeBarons were one of a number of breakaway sects from the main Mormon Church who continued to practice polygamy and believed in Brigham Young's 'Blood Atonement' for becoming apostate and/or not obeying their 'Prophet' and their priesthood. Ervil LeBaron and his bunch - and another sect were responsible for a number of killings. It was decades ago but I was very close with a woman who married one of those followers. I had to end my relationship with her as I learned I'd been targeted by the ex husband. He was stalking me with a rifle. That's just how they behaved. They considered it normal. Very scary business and totally worth avoiding. I'd like to emphasize that the main Mormon church [which has its own load of peculiar ways] doesn't tolerate that kind of crap these days.
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Ad from Papa Murphy's I got in the mail last night says: Awesome Foursome Pizza: 1/4 Cheese 1/4 Pepperoni 1/4 Hawaiian 1/2 Specialty of the House Pizza :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: You say that Mormonism goes back generations on your mother's side, to the days of polygamy. Do you have polygamists in your anscestry? If so, what do you know about it? The answer is yes, and I know quite a bit about it. But I have no interest in discussing my personal family's history. If you want to know about Mormon polygamy, 'Google search' is your friend. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What is your fanatical obsession with the Mormon religion, John Manning? Thousands of hits come up with you on Mormon sites. Mormon sites? I write to one Mormon site. I lived in Mormon Utah for 35+ years, Shremp. Mormon religion and culture is a fascination of mine. It's a topic I'm intimately familiar with. While I've never been a Mormon myself, almost everyone on my mother's side of the family are[were while living] dyed-in-the-wool true believer Mormons [TBMs] going back to the pioneer days and polygamy. Mormon culture in Utah is predominately conservative and was the reddest of the red states in the last few presidential elections. My familiarity with the conservative Mormon culture and my political views make for a delightful spicy combination that makes discussion there quite [as the Mormons like to say] delightsome for me. Mesa AZ where I used to live, and I believe you may also IIRC, is heavily Mormon influenced as you must know. The Mormon temple grounds there with its huge pool of water is an extremely beautiful example of both Mormon temple design and the desert surroundings of Mesa. [http://wattfam.com/aboutus/mesa.jpg] Mesa Arizona Temple --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: --- from Wiki: [edit] Professional life Skousen went to work for the Agricultural Adjustment Administration in June 1935. The following year he joined the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), where he worked until 1951. From 1951 to 1955, he taught at Brigham Young University. He served as Salt Lake City, Utah police chief for four years before being fired in 1960, by Mayor J. Bracken Lee.[1][2] Skousen was summarily dismissed shortly after Skousen raided an illegal poker club, where J. Bracken Lee was in attendance.[3][4] Lee characterized Skousen's strict enforcement of anti-gambling laws as like a Gestapo.[5][6] For the next fifteen years, Skousen edited the police journal, Law and Order. He returned to Brigham Young University as a professor of religion in 1967, retiring in 1978. I took a 'Book of Mormon' class from Skousen at BYU. I enjoyed it so much that I took a more advanced class from him on the same topic the second semester I was there. Religion classes were mandatory, even for non-Mormons such as myself. Skousen was an excellent Book of Mormon and scripture teacher, but in my view he was also a shifty eyed creep. I didn't trust him at all on a personal level. Two semesters was all I could stand of BYU. I transfered out to the U of Utah. Did you read the article below, yifuxero? In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life - Cleon Skousen was a right-wing crank whom even conservatives despised. Then Beck discovered him By Alexander Zaitchik - Salon.com - Sept. 16, 2009 Excerpted from the article: In reality...the so-called 912ers were summoned to D.C. by the man who changed Beck's life, and that helps explain why the movement is not the nonpartisan lovefest that Beck first sold on air with his trademark tears. Beck has created a massive meet-up for the disaffected, paranoid Palin-ite death panel wing of the GOP, those ideologues most susceptible to conspiracy theories and prone to latch on to eccentric distortions of fact in the name of opposing socialism. In that, they are true disciples of the late Mormon, W. Cleon Skousen, Beck's favorite writer and the author of the bible of the 9/12 movement, The 5,000 Year Leap. A once-famous anti-communist historian, Skousen was too extreme even for the conservative activists of the Goldwater era, but Glenn Beck has now rescued him from the remainder pile of history, and introduced him to a receptive new audience... What has Beck been pushing on his legions? Leap, first published in 1981, is a heavily illustrated and factually challenged attempt to explain American history through an unspoken lens of Mormon
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life
On Sep 17, 2009, at 1:03 PM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: You say that Mormonism goes back generations on your mother's side, to the days of polygamy. Do you have polygamists in your anscestry? If so, what do you know about it? The answer is yes, and I know quite a bit about it. But I have no interest in discussing my personal family's history. If you want to know about Mormon polygamy, 'Google search' is your friend. Or watch the first couple seasons of Big Love on HBO...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Denied, to Invincible America
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Are these people skulking out of town? Shirking. Well, writing here now as a conservative meditator. Somebody here simply to share those inner unspoken thots here for the real meditators here. I'll do it for the moment. Yes, is a skulking and shirking. The shirking about here is enough to make a patriot meditator here who does remain with the work lose their seeming equanimity over it. These people, these quitters who have slipped off had the wisdom of the integration of life in their hands and they just threw it away. Yes, their names are not important anymore because their names will be forgotten as soon as they have left. They are the worst of meditators; ill-disciplined spiritual quitters. Don't got the character to make it the whole way over the spiritual path. In a same category as ordinary non-meditators. Worst.we do know what science has to say about non-meditators now. But, in time of need these quitters are the worst of deserters. you know of what they would do with deserters? So it is. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF Amen. Weak souls, most attracked to TM for small and personal issues; not altruism or wishing for spiritual growth. An easy prey for the so-called saints invading Fairfield thus becoming confused and leaving FF.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Graham de Freitas visits a Swami
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: http://santdeo.com/ http://santdeo.com/ Swamiji at Maharishi Mahesh Yogis funera Swamiji at Maharishi Mahesh Yogis funeral. Swamijio is sitting next to Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math.
[FairfieldLife] Poll: Majority of Americans Know a Scare Tactic When They See It
Poll: Big Majorities Dismiss Leading Right Wing Health Care Attacks As Scare Tactics Wow, this is cause for cautious optimism: Buried in a new Bloomberg poll http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070sid=a1aj4z4GhbH8 is evidence that solid majorities dismiss all the leading right wing health care talking points as scare tactics. Not kidding! It's true. The poll tested a range of attacks and asked whether they were legitimate or a disortion and a scare tactic. The results: * Sixty-three percent said the claim that death panels of government officials would decide how much medical care ailing individuals will receive is a scare tactic, versus 30% who said it's legit. * Fifty-nine percent said the claim that health care would be rationed is a scare tactic, versus 35% who said it's legit. * Fifty-two percent said the claim that health care would become socialized medicine is a scare tactic, versus 43% who said it's legit. * Sixty-one percent said the claim that government money would be used to pay for abortions is a scare tactic, versus 33% who said it's legit. * Fifty-eight percent said the claim that government money would pay for health care for illegal immigrants is a scare tactic, versus 37% who said it's legit. How to square these numbers with other polls showing a far more credulous public? My bet is that by explicitly offering people the choice of seeing an assertion as a scare tactic, it encourages far more skepticism than polls that merely ask whether people agree with the claims. Of course, it's worth noting that in response to the attacks, the Senate finance committe bill dropped the public option, nixed end of life counseling and tightened up restrictions on illegal immigrants. In other words, even if the right type of cajoling can get folks to dismiss the nonsense as bogus, it won't stop the assertions from shaping the legislation. http://snipurl.com/rxtr3 http://snipurl.com/rxtr3 [theplumline_whorunsgov_com]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life
I respect your desire to keep your own family's polygamous history private. But, generally speaking, I am curious to know whether you support legalizing gay marriage and, if yes, whether you feel the same way about legalizing polygamous marriage? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: You say that Mormonism goes back generations on your mother's side, to the days of polygamy. Do you have polygamists in your anscestry? If so, what do you know about it? The answer is yes, and I know quite a bit about it. But I have no interest in discussing my personal family's history. If you want to know about Mormon polygamy, 'Google search' is your friend. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: What is your fanatical obsession with the Mormon religion, John Manning? Thousands of hits come up with you on Mormon sites. Mormon sites? I write to one Mormon site. I lived in Mormon Utah for 35+ years, Shremp. Mormon religion and culture is a fascination of mine. It's a topic I'm intimately familiar with. While I've never been a Mormon myself, almost everyone on my mother's side of the family are[were while living] dyed-in-the-wool true believer Mormons [TBMs] going back to the pioneer days and polygamy. Mormon culture in Utah is predominately conservative and was the reddest of the red states in the last few presidential elections. My familiarity with the conservative Mormon culture and my political views make for a delightful spicy combination that makes discussion there quite [as the Mormons like to say] delightsome for me. Mesa AZ where I used to live, and I believe you may also IIRC, is heavily Mormon influenced as you must know. The Mormon temple grounds there with its huge pool of water is an extremely beautiful example of both Mormon temple design and the desert surroundings of Mesa. [http://wattfam.com/aboutus/mesa.jpg] Mesa Arizona Temple --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote: --- from Wiki: [edit] Professional life Skousen went to work for the Agricultural Adjustment Administration in June 1935. The following year he joined the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), where he worked until 1951. From 1951 to 1955, he taught at Brigham Young University. He served as Salt Lake City, Utah police chief for four years before being fired in 1960, by Mayor J. Bracken Lee.[1][2] Skousen was summarily dismissed shortly after Skousen raided an illegal poker club, where J. Bracken Lee was in attendance.[3][4] Lee characterized Skousen's strict enforcement of anti-gambling laws as like a Gestapo.[5][6] For the next fifteen years, Skousen edited the police journal, Law and Order. He returned to Brigham Young University as a professor of religion in 1967, retiring in 1978. I took a 'Book of Mormon' class from Skousen at BYU. I enjoyed it so much that I took a more advanced class from him on the same topic the second semester I was there. Religion classes were mandatory, even for non-Mormons such as myself. Skousen was an excellent Book of Mormon and scripture teacher, but in my view he was also a shifty eyed creep. I didn't trust him at all on a personal level. Two semesters was all I could stand of BYU. I transfered out to the U of Utah. Did you read the article below, yifuxero? In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life - Cleon Skousen was a right-wing crank whom even conservatives despised. Then Beck discovered him By Alexander Zaitchik - Salon.com - Sept. 16, 2009 Excerpted from the article: In reality...the so-called 912ers were summoned to D.C. by the man who changed Beck's life, and that helps explain why the movement is not the nonpartisan lovefest that Beck first sold on air with his trademark tears. Beck has created a massive meet-up for the disaffected, paranoid Palin-ite death panel wing of the GOP, those ideologues most susceptible to conspiracy theories and prone to latch on to eccentric distortions of fact in the name of opposing socialism. In that, they are true disciples of the late Mormon, W. Cleon Skousen, Beck's favorite writer and the author of the bible of the 9/12 movement, The 5,000 Year Leap. A
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM in Mongolia
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: http://www.tinyurl.com/nbdrbq Nice, thanks for posting this. The Mongolians are mostly Tibetan Buddhists and are in desperate need of a technique that actually works !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: [snip] It was decades ago but I was very close with a woman who married one of those followers. I had to end my relationship with her as I learned I'd been targeted by the ex husband. He was stalking me with a rifle. That's just how they behaved. [snip] What type of very close relationship did you have with this married woman that made it so unusual for a man to go after you with a rifle? Doesn't sound that weird if you were being very close to a married woman. If some mailman was porking my wife on his delivery route, why is it so weird that he would go after you with a shotgun?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: [snip] It was decades ago but I was very close with a woman who married one of those followers. I had to end my relationship with her as I learned I'd been targeted by the ex husband. He was stalking me with a rifle. That's just how they behaved. [snip] What type of very close relationship did you have with this married woman that made it so unusual for a man to go after you with a rifle? Doesn't sound that weird if you were being very close to a married woman. You're not paying attention again, Shremp. Do you have ADD besides being depressed? I did mention that the fellow was her EX husband. Get your head out of the sewer. No wonder you're so miserable. Those religious fanatics were extremely unpredictable and dangerous, Shremp. They killed innocent people. If some mailman was porking my wife on his delivery route, why is it so weird that he would go after you with a shotgun? You're just trolling again. Bye.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: I respect your desire to keep your own family's polygamous history private. But, generally speaking, I am curious to know whether you support legalizing gay marriage and, if yes, whether you feel the same way about legalizing polygamous marriage? Any polygamy in my family occurred a number of generations back. I have no interest in discussing gay rights or polygamy rights with you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: [snip] It was decades ago but I was very close with a woman who married one of those followers. I had to end my relationship with her as I learned I'd been targeted by the ex husband. He was stalking me with a rifle. That's just how they behaved. [snip] What type of very close relationship did you have with this married woman that made it so unusual for a man to go after you with a rifle? Doesn't sound that weird if you were being very close to a married woman. You're not paying attention again, Shremp. Do you have ADD besides being depressed? I did mention that the fellow was her EX husband. Get your head out of the sewer. No wonder you're so miserable. Of course I read that it was an ex husband. But did I not read somewhere or perhaps you yourself told us that even in the REGULAR Mormon church that you marry for all eternity? And, if so, I would assume that that goes double for these fundamentalists. So, if true, you would know that and wouldn't want to mess with her. So what did you do, Manning, to get her all riled up? Those religious fanatics were extremely unpredictable and dangerous, Shremp. They killed innocent people. If some mailman was porking my wife on his delivery route, why is it so weird that he would go after you with a shotgun? You're just trolling again. Bye.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I respect your desire to keep your own family's polygamous history private. But, generally speaking, I am curious to know whether you support legalizing gay marriage and, if yes, whether you feel the same way about legalizing polygamous marriage? Any polygamy in my family occurred a number of generations back. I have no interest in discussing gay rights or polygamy rights with you. How many fingers and toes do you have?
[FairfieldLife] Re: One weird pizza
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Ad from Papa Murphy's I got in the mail last night says: Awesome Foursome Pizza: 1/4 Cheese 1/4 Pepperoni 1/4 Hawaiian 1/2 Specialty of the House Pizza :-D Unsquare dance?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cDXYLfDkJMfeature=related
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Denied, to Invincible America
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:27 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Denied, to Invincible America --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Are these people skulking out of town? Shirking. Well, writing here now as a conservative meditator. Somebody here simply to share those inner unspoken thots here for the real meditators here. I'll do it for the moment. Yes, is a skulking and shirking. The shirking about here is enough to make a patriot meditator here who does remain with the work lose their seeming equanimity over it. These people, these quitters who have slipped off had the wisdom of the integration of life in their hands and they just threw it away. Yes, their names are not important anymore because their names will be forgotten as soon as they have left. They are the worst of meditators; ill-disciplined spiritual quitters. Don't got the character to make it the whole way over the spiritual path. In a same category as ordinary non-meditators. Worst. we do know what science has to say about non-meditators now. But, in time of need these quitters are the worst of deserters. you know of what they would do with deserters? So it is. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF Amen. Weak souls, most attracked to TM for small and personal issues; not altruism or wishing for spiritual growth. An easy prey for the so-called saints invading Fairfield thus becoming confused and leaving FF. Actually, since Doug posted this, I've found out who he was referring to. At least two of the couples. One is an early member of the TM movement and her husband, both still meditating. They're just following an employment opportunity and wouldn't be leaving FF if they had a choice. Another couple decided to maintain their home here while the husband gets an apartment near his new job three hours away and comes home on weekends. Nabby, are you ever even vaguely aware of your judgmental, holier-than-thou attitude, and do you realize that your example probably does the TM movement more harm than good?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One weird pizza
cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Ad from Papa Murphy's I got in the mail last night says: Awesome Foursome Pizza: 1/4 Cheese 1/4 Pepperoni 1/4 Hawaiian 1/2 Specialty of the House Pizza :-D Unsquare dance?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cDXYLfDkJMfeature=related No, Unsquare Dance is 7/4. The pizza is 5/4 or Take Five instead. ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life
Vaj wrote: On Sep 17, 2009, at 1:03 PM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: You say that Mormonism goes back generations on your mother's side, to the days of polygamy. Do you have polygamists in your anscestry? If so, what do you know about it? The answer is yes, and I know quite a bit about it. But I have no interest in discussing my personal family's history. If you want to know about Mormon polygamy, 'Google search' is your friend. Or watch the first couple seasons of Big Love on HBO... This thread reminds me of the time a couple Mormon missionaries came to my door and somewhere in the conversation asked if I had a spiritual path and I said sure, tantra. So the one kid wanted to know all about it. So I told him. He thought that was the coolest thing he'd ever heard. His friend didn't. So I may be responsible for one less member of the Mormon church. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Vaj wrote: On Sep 17, 2009, at 1:03 PM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: You say that Mormonism goes back generations on your mother's side, to the days of polygamy. Do you have polygamists in your anscestry? If so, what do you know about it? The answer is yes, and I know quite a bit about it. But I have no interest in discussing my personal family's history. If you want to know about Mormon polygamy, 'Google search' is your friend. Or watch the first couple seasons of Big Love on HBO... This thread reminds me of the time a couple Mormon missionaries came to my door and somewhere in the conversation asked if I had a spiritual path and I said sure, tantra. So the one kid wanted to know all about it. So I told him. He thought that was the coolest thing he'd ever heard. His friend didn't. So I may be responsible for one less member of the Mormon church. ;-) I've got a pair of missionaries that come to my door on a regular basis because I love to engage those guys. But I don't know if they're going to come back because the last time I read them the quotes that that Mormon guy that does TM whom Rick Archer or somebody reproduced here from Orme-Johnson's site and I think it made them a wee bit uncomfortable. I emphasized that heaven is for the here and how, not just after one dies and that was a bit too much to handle. So I think the dynamic shifted from them thinking they were there to prostelytize me to me inviting them in to prostelytizing them. Sounds a bit like what happened with you and the first Mormon. But I'd still like to know whether John Manning is the product of a polygamous marriage from a few generations ago. It appears that he is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life
--In the late 70's I got baptized into LDS in West L.A. just for kicks, to investigate what was going on. Before being granted membership you have to be questioned by the 2 Mormons and 3 no respones are necessary: 1. are you gay. 2. Have you committed murder, and 3. have you committed adultery. I said no to each and naturally they were sooo happy to rack up a convert on their scorecharts to they could write home to Mom and also make progress toward becoming a Bishop perhaps. Then I put on the Mormon underwear and got dunk in the baptismal pool - a small square pool constructed just for that purpose. I used to engage the Mormons, Hare Krishnas, and JW's in various mental duals for fun;like, I would go to the Hare Krishna Temple in LA, sit down to eat and await being approached. After the brief introduction, I would say things like Im a Christian Fundamentalist, or I'm a Buddhist just to get their response. Best way to turn off the Mormons: say you're lapsed (were once baptized but don't participate anymore or pay dues.). Shuts them up in a split second. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Vaj wrote: On Sep 17, 2009, at 1:03 PM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: You say that Mormonism goes back generations on your mother's side, to the days of polygamy. Do you have polygamists in your anscestry? If so, what do you know about it? The answer is yes, and I know quite a bit about it. But I have no interest in discussing my personal family's history. If you want to know about Mormon polygamy, 'Google search' is your friend. Or watch the first couple seasons of Big Love on HBO... This thread reminds me of the time a couple Mormon missionaries came to my door and somewhere in the conversation asked if I had a spiritual path and I said sure, tantra. So the one kid wanted to know all about it. So I told him. He thought that was the coolest thing he'd ever heard. His friend didn't. So I may be responsible for one less member of the Mormon church. ;-) I've got a pair of missionaries that come to my door on a regular basis because I love to engage those guys. But I don't know if they're going to come back because the last time I read them the quotes that that Mormon guy that does TM whom Rick Archer or somebody reproduced here from Orme-Johnson's site and I think it made them a wee bit uncomfortable. I emphasized that heaven is for the here and how, not just after one dies and that was a bit too much to handle. So I think the dynamic shifted from them thinking they were there to prostelytize me to me inviting them in to prostelytizing them. Sounds a bit like what happened with you and the first Mormon. But I'd still like to know whether John Manning is the product of a polygamous marriage from a few generations ago. It appears that he is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Denied, to Invincible America
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:27 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Denied, to Invincible America --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Are these people skulking out of town? Shirking. Well, writing here now as a conservative meditator. Somebody here simply to share those inner unspoken thots here for the real meditators here. I'll do it for the moment. Yes, is a skulking and shirking. The shirking about here is enough to make a patriot meditator here who does remain with the work lose their seeming equanimity over it. These people, these quitters who have slipped off had the wisdom of the integration of life in their hands and they just threw it away. Yes, their names are not important anymore because their names will be forgotten as soon as they have left. They are the worst of meditators; ill-disciplined spiritual quitters. Don't got the character to make it the whole way over the spiritual path. In a same category as ordinary non-meditators. Worst. we do know what science has to say about non-meditators now. But, in time of need these quitters are the worst of deserters. you know of what they would do with deserters? So it is. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF Amen. Weak souls, most attracked to TM for small and personal issues; not altruism or wishing for spiritual growth. An easy prey for the so-called saints invading Fairfield thus becoming confused and leaving FF. Actually, since Doug posted this, I've found out who he was referring to. At least two of the couples. One is an early member of the TM movement and her husband, both still meditating. They're just following an employment opportunity and wouldn't be leaving FF if they had a choice. Another couple decided to maintain their home here while the husband gets an apartment near his new job three hours away and comes home on weekends. Nabby, are you ever even vaguely aware of your judgmental, holier-than-thou attitude, and do you realize that your example probably does the TM movement more harm than good? Nabby's just echoing what Doug said at considerably greater length and with even greater viciousness. How come you're chastising Nabby but not Doug?
[FairfieldLife] Re: One weird pizza
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Ad from Papa Murphy's I got in the mail last night says: Awesome Foursome Pizza: 1/4 Cheese 1/4 Pepperoni 1/4 Hawaiian 1/2 Specialty of the House Pizza :-D Unsquare dance?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cDXYLfDkJMfeature=related No, Unsquare Dance is 7/4. The pizza is 5/4 or Take Five instead. ;-) Oops! 7/4 was one of my favourites when I played drums in the basement of our house in a suburban area... : ]
[FairfieldLife] electric prayer wheels
http://www.geocities.com/jane_ou_li/bdwheel.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: electric prayer wheels
---from Wiki: [edit] Electric Dharma Wheels Some prayer wheels are powered by electric motors. Thardo Khorlo, as these electric wheels are sometimes known, contain one thousand copies of the mantra of Chenrezig and many copies of other mantras. The Thardo Khorlo can accompanied by lights and music if one so chooses. However Lama Zopa Rinpoche has said, The merit of turning an electric prayer wheel goes to the electric company. This is why I prefer practitioners to use their own 'right energy' to turn a prayer wheel.[citation needed] [edit] Digital Prayer Wheels The Dalai Lama has commented that animated GIFs on websites work just as well as other prayer wheels.[citation needed] As the GIF image turns, waves of compassion emanate in all directions to the surrounding area. Some have suggested that the spinning of a hard drive (several thousand rotations per minute) can act in similar function to a prayer wheel by saving an image of Om mani padme hum or other mantra on their local machine. [1] [edit] Internet-operated Prayer Wheel This type of Prayer Wheel is a Stationary Electric Prayer Wheel which can be activated over a web interface. Before turning the wheel a wish or a mantra can be entered at the web interface. Via a webcam the user can watch the wheel. [2] In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: http://www.geocities.com/jane_ou_li/bdwheel.html
[FairfieldLife] TMO lists its NY bldg: $45
They're finally trying to get rid of that white elephant: http://www.trulia.com/property/1086825034-70-Broad-St-New-York-NY-10004 http://www.trulia.com/property/1086825034-70-Broad-St-New-York-NY-10004\ more descriptive article, pics: http://curbed.com/archives/2009/09/17/on_the_market_make_the_craziest_fi\ di_mansion_ever.php http://curbed.com/archives/2009/09/17/on_the_market_make_the_craziest_f\ idi_mansion_ever.php [2009_9_70broad.jpg]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life
On Sep 17, 2009, at 3:08 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Vaj wrote: On Sep 17, 2009, at 1:03 PM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: You say that Mormonism goes back generations on your mother's side, to the days of polygamy. Do you have polygamists in your anscestry? If so, what do you know about it? The answer is yes, and I know quite a bit about it. But I have no interest in discussing my personal family's history. If you want to know about Mormon polygamy, 'Google search' is your friend. Or watch the first couple seasons of Big Love on HBO... This thread reminds me of the time a couple Mormon missionaries came to my door and somewhere in the conversation asked if I had a spiritual path and I said sure, tantra. So the one kid wanted to know all about it. So I told him. He thought that was the coolest thing he'd ever heard. His friend didn't. So I may be responsible for one less member of the Mormon church. ;-) One thing's for sure, Joseph Smith almost certainly would have found it interesting! He had a deep interest in the occultism of his day, as well as Freemasonry. The initiation rituals (or whatever they call them) are taken straight out of Blue lodge Masonry. In fact one of the Big Love episodes, shows one of the ceremonies and the inside of their lodge (temple in Mormon parlance).
[FairfieldLife] Green Tara
http://www.fpmt-osel.org/gallery/tara.htm
[FairfieldLife] Saints course at MUM
MUM Review: Seminar Offered on Experiences of Saints A unique six-session seminar, titled In Their Own Words: Experiences of the Saints of Christianity, Judaism and Islam, is currently being offered to the community. Taught by Evan Finkelstein, the seminar is highlighting the divine experiences of great saints from these three traditions in the light of Maharishi's teachings on higher states of consciousness. The sessions are being held on six consecutive Wednesday evenings, starting on September 9. All sessions begin at 8:00 p.m., in Dalby Hall of the Argiro Student Center. Those who missed the first session may still enroll in the seminar. The cost for six sessions is $60 with a 10% discount for Invincible America Course Participants; the fee for full-time students, faculty, and staff is $10. Quotes from Maharishi and many writings of Christian, Jewish and Muslim saints are being discussed and explored; there will also be a PowerPoint presentation and time for comments and questions. An example of the quotations is this by Abd Al-Karim Jili: It is the Holy Spirit which witnesses to man's innate perfection, the Spirit is man's real nature and within him is the secret shrine of the Divine
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Life as Reality Hologram
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm more comfortable with allowing round holes to remain round holes. I don't feel the need to redefine them as square pegs, or even under- stand what makes some things round holes and others square pegs. Things just *are* the way that they are. +++ Does everything exist with no reason? Why not? Would you feel diminished or lessened if your life had no meaning, no reason for its existence? I wouldn't. I'd just invent my own. As, in my opinion, has everyone in human history who has ever claimed to know the reason. :-) Sounds good,, Can't think of a good example of something being there for no reason-- have to contemplate on that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Saints course at MUM
---Naturally, there will be a lot of selectivity in regard to the quotes; since Christianity looked at as a whole is populated by far more Orthodox-dualistic Saints than Mystics such as Meister Eckhart. But now the Saint is Aaron Eckhart and I'm wondering if I should see the movie with him and Jennifer Anniston. The MUM people would of course have people believe that any dualistic talk among the Christian Saints would amount only to a stepping-stone on the road to pure Impersonalism. But obviously, the whole point of Orthodox Christianity is the Person of Jesus, redemption via Sacrifice; a concept which harkens back long before Jesus with the Judaic practice of animal sacrifice, including goats and lambs. (thus, the saying Lamb of Christ...who taketh away the sins of the world,...etc). In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_re...@... wrote: MUM Review: Seminar Offered on Experiences of Saints A unique six-session seminar, titled In Their Own Words: Experiences of the Saints of Christianity, Judaism and Islam, is currently being offered to the community. Taught by Evan Finkelstein, the seminar is highlighting the divine experiences of great saints from these three traditions in the light of Maharishi's teachings on higher states of consciousness. The sessions are being held on six consecutive Wednesday evenings, starting on September 9. All sessions begin at 8:00 p.m., in Dalby Hall of the Argiro Student Center. Those who missed the first session may still enroll in the seminar. The cost for six sessions is $60 with a 10% discount for Invincible America Course Participants; the fee for full-time students, faculty, and staff is $10. Quotes from Maharishi and many writings of Christian, Jewish and Muslim saints are being discussed and explored; there will also be a PowerPoint presentation and time for comments and questions. An example of the quotations is this by Abd Al-Karim Jili: It is the Holy Spirit which witnesses to man's innate perfection, the Spirit is man's real nature and within him is the secret shrine of the Divine
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Saints course at MUM
Animal sacrifice predates Judaism. However Jewish tradition takes it back to at least Cain and Able and some believe animals were sacrificed after Adam and Eve's fall, the skins used to cover their nakedness. Hinduism, to this day, still observes blood sacrifices to Kali and Durga, although much less common since Buddha denounced it. --- On Thu, 9/17/09, yifuxero yifux...@yahoo.com wrote: From: yifuxero yifux...@yahoo.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Saints course at MUM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 10:29 PM ---Naturally, there will be a lot of selectivity in regard to the quotes; since Christianity looked at as a whole is populated by far more Orthodox-dualistic Saints than Mystics such as Meister Eckhart. But now the Saint is Aaron Eckhart and I'm wondering if I should see the movie with him and Jennifer Anniston. The MUM people would of course have people believe that any dualistic talk among the Christian Saints would amount only to a stepping-stone on the road to pure Impersonalism. But obviously, the whole point of Orthodox Christianity is the Person of Jesus, redemption via Sacrifice; a concept which harkens back long before Jesus with the Judaic practice of animal sacrifice, including goats and lambs. (thus, the saying Lamb of Christ...who taketh away the sins of the world,...etc) . In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, bob_brigante no_re...@.. . wrote: MUM Review: Seminar Offered on Experiences of Saints A unique six-session seminar, titled In Their Own Words: Experiences of the Saints of Christianity, Judaism and Islam, is currently being offered to the community. Taught by Evan Finkelstein, the seminar is highlighting the divine experiences of great saints from these three traditions in the light of Maharishi's teachings on higher states of consciousness. The sessions are being held on six consecutive Wednesday evenings, starting on September 9. All sessions begin at 8:00 p.m., in Dalby Hall of the Argiro Student Center. Those who missed the first session may still enroll in the seminar. The cost for six sessions is $60 with a 10% discount for Invincible America Course Participants; the fee for full-time students, faculty, and staff is $10. Quotes from Maharishi and many writings of Christian, Jewish and Muslim saints are being discussed and explored; there will also be a PowerPoint presentation and time for comments and questions. An example of the quotations is this by Abd Al-Karim Jili: It is the Holy Spirit which witnesses to man's innate perfection, the Spirit is man's real nature and within him is the secret shrine of the Divine
[FairfieldLife] The Right Is Right: They Have Lost Their Country
The Right Is Right: They Have Lost Their Country -- And Jimmy Carter Is Right Too[user-pic] By M.J. Rosenberg http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/profile/mjrosenberg - September 16, 2009, 7:35AM It takes, Jimmy Carter, a white southerner to speak the truth about the people spewing virulent hate against the President: it's racism Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA4W70E6krk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA4W70E6krk Of course, everything Carter says is obvious. It is just that so many hate hearing it. Not only is this country obsessed with race, it always has been. Racism is one big reason why we have rejected Europe's social democratic path and why millions and millions hate the idea of universal health care even if they personally will benefit from it. A sizable minority of Americans will reject any program that African Americans will also benefit from. Bottom line: if there were no African Americans and no African American President, these white bigots would have insisted on single payer decades ago. It's like the old adage: a Republican can only enjoy a meal if he knows someone else is hungry. That someone else is black. The good news is that the bill will pass and the voting coalition Obama assembled is solid. White Christian male bigots -- and their wives -- cannot elect a President. (They couldn't even carry Virginia, North Carolina or Indiana). This is stage 2 of LBJ's nightmare: the silver lining. Yes, the civil rights law turned the south from deep blue to deep red. That killed us for 40 years. But, over those same 40 years, demographic changes in the American population (considerably assisted by LBJ's liberal immigration policy) ensured that the party of the white male would be unable to put together an electoral majority beyond 2000 or thereabouts. That is why the racists are losing their minds. They say that they have lost their country. They are right. But we welcome them to ours. Just leave the hate behind. http://snipurl.com/ry7vk [tpmcafe_talkingpointsmemo_com] Racist material directed at the president recently observed: [BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5382498579396708002] http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1xQeOPE9ePU/SrJ58LT8RqI/D4g/e6mM1XfMA\ KE/s1600-h/6a00d834520b4b69e20115713d7682970c.jpg [BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5382498569305106674] http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1xQeOPE9ePU/SrJ57lt6qPI/D4Y/zCbdJVw6S\ U0/s1600-h/3912840785_caa9d053a1.jpg [BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5382498588223646738] http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1xQeOPE9ePU/SrJ58sMcrBI/D4o/J-E2nkyaN\ S8/s1600-h/curiousgeorgbamashirt.jpg [BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5382500305631025746] http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1xQeOPE9ePU/SrJ7gqCRmlI/D5A/3onrYlyCM\ l8/s1600-h/3912801501_a051f22901.jpg [BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5382498567592293874] http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1xQeOPE9ePU/SrJ57fVjNfI/D4Q/rK5fDUOwQ\ Ok/s1600-h/ObamaNomics.jpg [BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5382497929375714866] http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1xQeOPE9ePU/SrJ5WVy3DjI/D4A/EkyqKJdpa\ 9Q/s1600-h/racism-obama.jpg [BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5382497925550163762] http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1xQeOPE9ePU/SrJ5WHixxzI/D34/-4IHP98hL\ Os/s1600-h/racist-obama-pin.jpg [BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5382497914974513538] http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1xQeOPE9ePU/SrJ5VgJWKYI/D3w/gFDqczInX\ H4/s1600-h/obamawaffles1.jpg [BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5382499418636460194] http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1xQeOPE9ePU/SrJ6tBuSoKI/D44/J9wkdkajI\ V0/s1600-h/obama_racist_sign_hussein.jpg [BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5382499405725782898] http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1xQeOPE9ePU/SrJ6sRoJU3I/D4w/u4Juy52Lf\ hk/s1600-h/1239818869_thumb%5B3%5D.jpg [BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5382503846987163330] http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1xQeOPE9ePU/SrJ-uynX5sI/D5Q/Sf68tZmeN\ -U/s1600-h/caric-obama-book-sf.jpg [BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5382503855815842466] http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1xQeOPE9ePU/SrJ-vTgS2qI/D5Y/rr3MC2KUO\ iE/s1600-h/obama_racist_image1.JPG [BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5382503844006006834] http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1xQeOPE9ePU/SrJ-ungnEDI/D5I/7CTiKhI_u\ CA/s1600-h/racism-in-the-2008-election.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life
I have no interest in discussing gay rights or polygamy rights with you. Shemp McGurk wrote: How many fingers and toes do you have? Apparently he's led at least three wives.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: One weird pizza
cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Ad from Papa Murphy's I got in the mail last night says: Awesome Foursome Pizza: 1/4 Cheese 1/4 Pepperoni 1/4 Hawaiian 1/2 Specialty of the House Pizza :-D Unsquare dance?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cDXYLfDkJMfeature=related No, Unsquare Dance is 7/4. The pizza is 5/4 or Take Five instead. ;-) Oops! 7/4 was one of my favourites when I played drums in the basement of our house in a suburban area... : ] I played some gigs in college with William O Smith who was Brubeck's first horn player (mainly clarinet). Then a few years later ran into him at TM residence courses as he was also a meditator.
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[FairfieldLife] Constitution Citizenship Day
Colbert: Corporations Are People Too (VIDEO) http://snipurl.com/rydi6 On Constitution Day, Celebrate the Rights of People. (Not Corporations.) At the Constitutional Accountability Center (CAC), we are marking Constitution Citizenship Day this year by focusing on who the Constitution serves and protects: We the People. This month, the Supreme Court is in the midst of an historic deliberation over whether the rights We enshrined in our Constitution should be extended to protect corporations. Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission (widely known as the Hillary: The Movie case) has been billed as a case about free speech in elections. In reality, however, it is a case raising a challenge to more than a century of campaign finance law and more than two centuries of constitutional text and history that have preserved the principle that corporations and people should be treated differently when it comes to regulating the financing of elections. (Click here to read the friend of the court brief filed in Citizens United by CAC and The League of Women Voters, explaining how efforts to remove this distinction run contrary to the text and history of our Constitution.) The significance of this attack on such a fundamental principle of American democracy -- that the constitutionally-guaranteed individual rights were intended to protect We the People -- has been the subject of both humorous and serious attention this week. On Tuesday night's show, Stephen Colbert dedicated The Colbert Report's The Wørd to the rights of corporations, in a six-minute segment (featured below) extolling the fact that corporations are people too! Taking a more serious tone this morning, The Wall Street Journal discussed the history of corporate rights, noting how newly-seated Justice Sonia Sotomayor impressed many during the Citizens United argument last week when she openly questioned the validity of corporations' legal status as persons. This most recent media attention follows several weeks of increasing concern and curiosity among mainstream media about the consequences of this monumental case. It is alarming, on Constitution Citizenship day, to consider that a conservative majority on the Supreme Court may be poised to unleash corporate money in elections, and heartening to see increasing media attention being paid to this disturbing possibility. For decades, conservatives have attempted to lay claim to the Constitution, yet today they are turning their back on the document's text and history and threatening to equate the rights of corporations with constitutional rights of American citizens. We hope that today, progressives will reflect on the meaning and importance of our Constitution's text and history, and on why now, more than ever, we must fight to preserve the integrity of the Constitution as a document of the People, by the People, and (most important) for the People. Firedoglake Hannah Thursday September 17, 2009 http://snipurl.com/rydoq
[FairfieldLife] Re: Constitution Citizenship Day
Sonia Sotomayor has attracted attention for asking a question at the hearing that determines the role of corporate financing in political campaigns. This is from the WSJ. (She's my shero now for this one.) In her maiden Supreme Court appearance last week, Justice Sonia Sotomayor made a provocative comment that probed the foundations of corporate law. During arguments in a campaign-finance case, the court's majority conservatives seemed persuaded that corporations have broad First Amendment rights and that recent precedents upholding limits on corporate political spending should be overruled. But Justice Sotomayor suggested the majority might have it all wrong and that instead the court should reconsider the 19th century rulings that first afforded corporations the same rights flesh-and-blood people have. Judges created corporations as persons, gave birth to corporations as persons, she said. There could be an argument made that that was the court's error to start with [imbuing] a creature of state law with human characteristics. Thursday morning Coffee and Links The Confluence September 17, 2009 by dakinikat http://snipurl.com/ryds8
[FairfieldLife] Jimmy Carter, Jews, and calling others racist
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/09/jimmy_carter_the_jewhater_who.html September 17, 2009 Jimmy Carter, the Jew-hater who cried racist Sammy Benoit America's worst ex-president Jimmy Carter made a ridiculous charge on Tuesday that Joe Wilson's outburst was based on racism and, more broadly, that an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man. It's ironic that a man who has such hate in his heart would call other people racists. You see the former president hates Jews. I try not to use the term Anti-Semite often. But I know of no other term (except maybe buffoon) to describe the peanut president. Take for example, a look at Carter's book, The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy Referring to U.S. policy and the condoning of Israel's actions, Carter says: There are constant and vehement political and media debates in Israel concerning its policies in the West Bank but because of powerful political, economic, and religious forces in the U.S., Israeli government decisions are rarely questioned or condemned, voices from Jerusalem dominate our media, and most American citizens are unaware of circumstances in the occupied territories. In English, Carter used that ugly old Anti-Semitic stereotype that the Jews control the media, Congress, and the U.S. Foreign policy. Ambassador Marc Ginsburg was Jimmy Carter's deputy senior adviser on the Middle East, and from 1977 through 1980 was White House liaison to the State Department. He has a unique perspective of Jimmy Carter's Middle East dealings. According to the Ambassador, the reason that the Peanut President goes out of his way to bash Israel is that he feels American Jews did not kiss his butt enough for all that he did for Israel. ...When former President Jimmy Carter revealed that Israel has more than 150 nuclear weapons, he clearly had a motive, according to his administration's deputy senior adviser, Marc Ginsberg: I think there's no doubt - particularly given the vantage point I had in the White House at the end of his administration - that he resents the way in which Israel and the American-Jewish community have failed to express sufficient gratitude for his efforts on behalf of peace in the Middle East. Ginsberg, a former ambassador to Morocco and now senior global affairs analyst for Fox News, says that Carter knows what he said is something never discussed by America or Israel and that disclosing Israel's nuclear arsenal is due to his growing antagonism towards the Jewish state. There's no doubt he knows exactly what he is doing when he's making these statements, or making misrepresentations that Hamas has agreed to recognize Israel if certain conditions occur, or to the book he wrote [`Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid'] referring to Israel. Liberal Harvard Professor Alan Dershowitz agrees that Carter is a Jew Hater: The entire premise of his criticism of Jewish influence on American foreign policy is that money talks. It is Carter, not me, who has made the point that if politicians receive money from Jewish sources, then they are not free to decide issues regarding the Middle East for themselves. It is Carter, not me, who has argued that distinguished reporters cannot honestly report on the Middle East because they are being paid by Jewish money. So, by Carter's own standards, it would be almost economically suicidal for Carter to espouse a balanced position between Israel and Palestine. If money determines political and public views as Carter insists Jewish money does, Carter's views on the Middle East must be deemed to have been influenced by the vast sums of Arab money he has received. If he who pays the piper calls the tune, then Carter's off-key tunes have been called by his Saudi Arabian paymasters. It pains me to say this, but I now believe that there is no person in American public life today who has a lower ratio of real to apparent integrity than Jimmy Carter. The public perception of his integrity is extraordinarily high. His real integrity, it now turns out, is extraordinarily low. He is no better than so many former American politicians who, after leaving public life, sell themselves to the highest bidder and become lobbyists for despicable causes. That is now Jimmy Carter's sad legacy. Probably the most blatant example is when Carter rejected someone for a position on the board of the Holocaust Memorial Council because the guy's name was too Jewish: Former President Jimmy Carter once complained there were too many Jews on the government's Holocaust Memorial Council, Monroe Freedman, the council's former executive director, told WND in an exclusive interview. Freedman, who served on the council during Carter's term as president, also revealed a noted Holocaust scholar who was a Presbyterian Christian was rejected from the council's board by Carter's
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jimmy Carter, Jews, and calling others racist
...When former President Jimmy Carter revealed that Israel has more than 150 nuclear weapons, ** Regardless of Carter's motives, revealing Israel's massive arsenal, nearly equal to China's ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons ) is exactly what Israel wants: an explicit and credible statement about the extreme retaliatory and deterrent power of Israel, which Israel could not state itself without creating problems in its relationships, especially with the United States with its laws against supporting nuclear proliferation (a stance which is pretty much out the door after India and Pakistan). However, this is really a fool's game. Just as the U.S., after WWII, thought it was on top of the world due to its nuclear monopoly until the Russians and other burst that bubble, Israel's ability to threaten the Arab/Muslim world is only going to last a few more years until oil-rich states finance a much larger arsenal and no amount of diplomatic or military pressure is going to stop that.
