[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic "Floating" experience

[TurquoiseB]

> From Rory's autohagiography:
> 
> More than this, though, Robin had an interesting --- and 
> disturbing --- world-view. An ex-drama-teacher, he saw the 
> world as a divine drama: a perennial conflict between the 
> divine and the demonic in each of us. *Robin also had an 
> enviable certainty that he was always right*; he trusted 
> his perceptions completely, and did not hesitate to label 
> one as "in the grip of the demonic." 

I never had any interest in Robin Carlson and 
don't now, but I must say for the record, "Doesn't
that description of him sound like someone on FFL?"

Not the "demonic" thang per se, just the constant
assumption of "always rightness," and the tendency
to label others with derogatory labels like "liar,"
"intellectually dishonest," and almost always having
a hidden agenda of ill intent. 

Just sayin'...

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fog Of Uncertainty

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> I'm hoping we have enough siddhas over here to hold off the 
> next big earthquake that everyone is expecting.

Sometimes I wonder whether TM-Sidhi True Believers 
have *lost* brain cells as a result of all that
thumping around. Here John presents the ultimate 
non-falsifiable, self-aggrandizing pseudo-prediction. 
If there is an earthquake, it's because there weren't 
enough butt-bouncers. But if there is not an earthquake, 
TM butt-bouncers like himself get to claim that they 
"prevented" it or "held it off." 

I would think that if there were thousands of butt
bouncers doing their "programs" at the same time
every day in the Bay Area, all that thudding of
fat, out-of-shape butts on foam could actually
*cause* an earthquake. I mean, if they're as full
of shit as they appear to be, each of them is 
lifting several tons off the foam with each bounce,
and then allowing it to plop back to earth with a
resounding thud. Those thuds -- all "coherent" and 
happening in synchrony, of course -- could create 
a ground wave in the earth's crust that would 
shatter one of the faults. So I think that if there 
*is* a big earthquake in the Bay Area, we should 
hold John and his fellow butt bouncers *responsible*
for it, and stick them with the bill for cleanup.

Extrapolating from John's logic, can't you just 
imagine the bottom line of one of his Jyotish 
readings? "This is what the stars predict for you; 
if these things happen, it proves the validity of 
Jyotish. If they *don't* happen, that proves the 
*value* of Jyotish, because by knowing about the 
possibility of these things happening, we 'avoided 
the pain that is to come' and prevented them from 
happening. That'll be $250, please." 

Win-win. Bullshit-bullshit.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 begins krishna sat yuga according to maharishi vedic pundits

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69"  wrote:
>
> just because it was predicted does not mean you are riding 
> anyones coattails. It is much more meaningful to bring 
> something about rather than just predict it.

Shukra is expressing the timeless wisdom of 
Maharishi's "Do less, accomplish more" here.

Predict change. Vague, unspecified change.
When vague, unspecified change of any kind 
happens, claim that's what you predicted, 
take credit for it, and claim that you 
"brought it about." 

[FairfieldLife] 'David Wants to Fly'

[Premanand]

Has anyone seen a preview of this movie by David Sieveking yet?
It was shown last weekend, and reviewed in Variety:-
http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117942181.html?categoryid=31&cs=1
I notice Judith Bourque is listed as appearing, I wonder what she had to say?

[FairfieldLife] THE CORRECTOR's Credo -- an opinion

[TurquoiseB]

It occurred to me, watching from the wings as THE
CORRECTOR tried her best to berate Curtis for,
essentially, "not treating her right," that some-
thing could be learned from figuring out how she
*wants* to be treated. I present my conclusion as
thought-flesh for her to gnaw upon when she comes
back next week with fangs bared and spoiling for a
fight, as we all know she will. What I came up with
are ten words that I think could serve as THE
CORRECTOR's Credo:

"Do unto me what I refuse to do unto you."

To explain, I think it is fair to say that THE
CORRECTOR has established a 16+-year history
of what she wants done unto her. She wants, above
all, to be *taken seriously*. She wants her words
and opinions on any subject to be viewed as auth-
oritative and correct, no matter what the subject.
She wants to be treated with respect, and for her
words and actions to be viewed as *she* sees them,
and *only* as she sees them. Any attempt to view
or interpret her words and actions differently than
she sees them is not only *wrong*, it is an affront -- a
vicious attack that must be met with battle.

Furthermore, she wants her intent to be viewed as
both pure and noble. That is never to be questioned.
She is "protecting" people from lies and inaccuracies,
and craves desperately to be praised for doing so.
To suggest that *her* intent or motives could be
less than pure is a Cardinal Sin, to be punished
by years of stalking.

So how does THE CORRECTOR treat the people
she expects to treat *her* this way?

I think that it is safe to say that she views
*almost everyone* with the opposite of the respect
she expects and demands. The *starting* point of
any of her tirades is, "I am right and you are
wrong." She then proceeds to, "Because you *are*
wrong, let's examine how stupid or intellectually
dishonest or malevolent that makes you."

There is no middle ground. One either agrees with
THE CORRECTOR and praises her for her insight,
or one becomes the enemy. Once you *have* become
the enemy, no possibility for gaining her respect
exists other than publicly "admitting you are wrong"
or "admitting your lies" or "admitting your evil
intent." That is the *only* response that she seems
to find acceptable for ending a debate with her.

Some may disagree with me -- and that is your
right (a right THE CORRECTOR would never
grant you) -- but I think I'm onto something here.
My opinion is that her basic credo and approach to
life *CAN* be summed up as, "I demand that
you treat me the way I refuse to treat you."

And I'm pretty sure that starting Friday evening or
Saturday morning, she will prove my opinion
correct, with me not having to say a word.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Feb 16, 2010, at 5:42 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Like Alex, I wouldn't mind seeing that particular interaction
> >> on tape, though unlike Alex I wouldn't consider it worth paying
> >> for :-)
> > 
> > Well, only if it has cool stuff like screaming, writhing, projectile 
> > vomiting, and Rory's head rotating around like the girl in 'The Exorcist'. 
> > Anything less that that, and I may as well just see him at Revs for free.
> 
> You can see him sooner than that even--
> He started his own Facebook group,
> the Rorian Mystery School. :)
> 
> http://bit.ly/aNzsLg
> 
> Sal
>


He's got a website that includes videos of some of his talks here: 
http://rorygoff.com/open/

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'David Wants to Fly'

[Vaj]

On Feb 17, 2010, at 5:40 AM, Premanand wrote:


Has anyone seen a preview of this movie by David Sieveking yet?
It was shown last weekend, and reviewed in Variety:-
http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117942181.html?categoryid=31&cs=1
I notice Judith Bourque is listed as appearing, I wonder what she  
had to say?



I wonder if it will air in FF or Skelm? Looks like it may be a tad  
too honest for the TM crowd, claiming to out Mahesh's avaricious  
ways, his multiple affairs and he's even blasted by the Good Shank of  
the North (and fellow Guru Dev ghost worshipper). Hopefully they'll  
have boxes of tissues and a cadre of exit counsellors waiting in the  
wings.



Back in Germany, Sieveking signs up for TM lessons. On the first day,  
he's required to bring some unusual items -- plus a check for E2,380.


While covering the Maharashi's funeral in India and a subsequent  
convening of his successors (the "Maharajah" and "Rajas") in the  
Netherlands, Sieveking witnesses a battle for power within the TM  
empire. He also spotlights some of the organization's questionable  
plans for world peace (for which they raise millions of dollars)  
including the fascist-sounding Invincible German and Bramasthan,  
where 10,000 pandits are supposed to be chanting 24/7.


However, it's when he begins talking to renegade former TMers who  
spill the beans about the Maharashi's multiple affairs and the way he  
bled followers for cash (e.g., raja training is available for $1  
million), that emails start to fly and lawsuits are threatened.


Pic's best moments include visits to the much-vaunted Bramasthan,  
which turns out to be a ghost town, and to Swami Swaroopanand,  
successor to Guru Dev, in a village near Tibet. The swami tells  
Sieveking that the Maharashi, from a trader caste, was merely Dev's  
bookkeeper and has no right to give mantras or teach meditation.  
Besides, he notes, "Gurus don't sell their knowledge, they share it."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation as Millennial Movement (?)

[Buck]

>
> millennial movements (The End of the World: as we know it), 
> 
> "one of the students asked me if the 2012 Mayan calendar prophecies are taken 
> seriously by some of the folks in FF.   Apparently, a friend of his new age 
> mom lives in FF or has some sort of connections there (he was vague) and has 
> heard that people have taken up the 2012 hysteria.  While it would surprise 
> me if NOBODY in FF took the Mayan stuff seriously, I wouldn't expect 
> widespread enthusiasm for it."  (?)
>

>From side e-mail:

<: ...although i would not have used the term, as the promised transformation 
was
never associated specifically w/ millennial timeframes, broadly it
definitely fits as that is what we have been taught for many yearseven
up to maharishi's last 'transmissions'!   he taked about how his 'work was
done' and that the descent of heaven on earth was assured.  it was not a
matter of "if"   nor was it far offbut in our life times.  better hurry!
and heck.  HOE sounds good to mebring it on!  =:-)

[FairfieldLife] Billy Preston - Summertime

[do.rflex]

If you ever wanted to hear the reason they made an extra keyboard on an organ 
this is a good opportunity. Billy Preston makes 'Summertime' bleed...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlxxmNP2MKw

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic "Floating" experience

[pranamoocher]

I noticed that too, on my Gov-ahnah Trainin' Course.
The fruits also tended to explain their lofty "inner experiences" with quite 
the panache, almost like they were trying to fit in with the Sama Veda verses.

The real test however, was that these so-called levitators always seemed to be 
the flakiness and least stable in activity, leading me to believe they were 
just plain unstable, regardless of whatever the hell they propounded to 
experience.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "martyboi"  wrote:
>
> A quote from a hostile jock during a friend's flying block:
> 
> "Why are all those efin* f*ggots the first ones to hop?"
> 
> I noticed the same thing on my course. When I discussed it with a "fruity 
> dancer" he said it was because straight men are unable to "truly let go in 
> bed" and that spills over into the rest of their life.
> 
> I think there is some truth to that.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic "Floating" experience

[It's just a ride]

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:49 PM, pranamoocher  wrote:

> I noticed that too, on my Gov-ahnah Trainin' Course.
> The fruits also tended to explain their lofty "inner experiences" with
> quite the panache, almost like they were trying to fit in with the Sama Veda
> verses.
>
> The real test however, was that these so-called levitators always seemed to
> be the flakiness and least stable in activity, leading me to believe they
> were just plain unstable, regardless of whatever the hell they propounded to
> experience.--
>

One year after my flying block only two people in my center sidhis course
were still doing TM, myself and a TM teacher who finally decided or got the
money to take the sidhis.  The lovebird married couples were all divorced.
The f*ggot couples were into stuff like rebirthing.  The former prostitute
and heroin addict street car driver was back earning a living as a
prostitute and doing heroin again.In my course the f*ggots were actually
amongst the most stable long term.  The Leave it to Beaver married types
were the least long term stable.  But two out of 14 remained TMers and 2 out
of 12 continue the TM/TMSP program.

We have suspicions about the drop out rate for TM.  Wonder what the dropout
rate for TMSP is?


If you but soak up the sunlight you are given, drink each drop of water I
send, and strive only to be yourself, life shall quicken in your roots,
spirit shall raise you into the light, and your bloom will inspire the
world.

[FairfieldLife] Re: good vs evil and reproduction

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "fillosofree"  wrote:
>
> In this introduction, we see that...

No, "we" do not. 

My personal "take" on good, evil, and reproduction
is somewhat shorter than yours. That is, anyone who 
thinks that they can drop in to a group and lay a 
22,000-word "introduction" on people and expect 
anyone to read it is evil deserves to be forced to 
read it over and over aloud for eternity in Hell. 
They should also be prevented from reproducing.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 begins krishna sat yuga according to maharishi vedic pundits

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nadarrombus"  wrote:
>
> i asked maharishi vedic pundits in 2000 at rukmapura hotel in a large meeting 
> with students and teachers from mum - the maharishi jyotish pundits about 
> 2012. they said it was the beginning of krishna sat yuga. krishna promised a 
> 10,000 year golden age starting 2012- 5,000 years from his death. they said 
> it is common knowledge among themselves. 


That's odd I distinctly remember Marshy inaugurating sat yuga
about 5 years ago. No. I didn't notice the difference either.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
wrote:
>
> Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> 
> > You can see him sooner than that even--
> > He started his own Facebook group,
> > the Rorian Mystery School. :)
> > 
> > http://bit.ly/aNzsLg
> 
> Thanks for posting this.  I just can't figure this out. It's as though Rory 
> could go on hour after hour with this stuff.  What I wonder is, would he give 
> the same talk tomorrow as he gave today, if he were extrapolating on the same 
> subject.
>

He is running a language form.  The content doesn't matter.  You can riff in 
this form endlessly whether you are discussing enlightenment or someone's dead 
relative speaking from beyond the grave.  It is related to carnivals style cold 
reading language. Like Maharishi, there is not end to number of hours that can 
be filled with this form.  Like those programs Web designers use to fill text 
boxes that look like text but are actually randomly generated word like 
gibberish.  It is easier when you are discussing abstract topics than when 
giving someone a psychic reading but the formula is similar. 

Me with spooky deep eyes:
The transversing planets within the universe of our own Self (reflected in the 
microcosmic self as personality rays) display the dynamics of tension arising 
from the opposing forces of the creative process within the cosmic core or the 
"I am" creator whose nature is know to those who have awakened their inner 
light as the SUN source of light, energy, and bliss for the totality of 
consciousness becoming aware of its own "amness" the unchanging absolute basis 
for all that changes and blossoms forth into what we know as the many levels of 
creation throughout all time and transcending time into the timelessness of our 
own infinite awakened SELF.

Now give me a fiver or get out of the tent.  NEXT!





  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim

[Duveyoung]

Ya know, bro, you're kinda shirking your destiny.  What with the music chops 
and the writing skills, ya should be pumping out new blues with new age angst.  
Instead of "my dog died and mama's in jail again," you could be wailing:  "I'm 
just a walk-in but I'm on my way out." or, "My Rama done left me." or, "My 
Harshi lied to me." or, "Gotta get my shakti up just to see I'm down." 

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> > 
> > > You can see him sooner than that even--
> > > He started his own Facebook group,
> > > the Rorian Mystery School. :)
> > > 
> > > http://bit.ly/aNzsLg
> > 
> > Thanks for posting this.  I just can't figure this out. It's as though Rory 
> > could go on hour after hour with this stuff.  What I wonder is, would he 
> > give the same talk tomorrow as he gave today, if he were extrapolating on 
> > the same subject.
> >
> 
> He is running a language form.  The content doesn't matter.  You can riff in 
> this form endlessly whether you are discussing enlightenment or someone's 
> dead relative speaking from beyond the grave.  It is related to carnivals 
> style cold reading language. Like Maharishi, there is not end to number of 
> hours that can be filled with this form.  Like those programs Web designers 
> use to fill text boxes that look like text but are actually randomly 
> generated word like gibberish.  It is easier when you are discussing abstract 
> topics than when giving someone a psychic reading but the formula is similar. 
> 
> Me with spooky deep eyes:
> The transversing planets within the universe of our own Self (reflected in 
> the microcosmic self as personality rays) display the dynamics of tension 
> arising from the opposing forces of the creative process within the cosmic 
> core or the "I am" creator whose nature is know to those who have awakened 
> their inner light as the SUN source of light, energy, and bliss for the 
> totality of consciousness becoming aware of its own "amness" the unchanging 
> absolute basis for all that changes and blossoms forth into what we know as 
> the many levels of creation throughout all time and transcending time into 
> the timelessness of our own infinite awakened SELF.
> 
> Now give me a fiver or get out of the tent.  NEXT!
>

[FairfieldLife] Maharishi Yagya - all major credit cards accepted

[Hugo]

Apparently.

'The broad principle for Maharishi Yagya performances is: 
"vitta sakhyam na kaaryet"—"do not perform yagyas below one's
financial capacity."'

And

'Maharishi Yagya performances related to higher contributions
produce more effective results'.

Are they shameless or what?



From:

http://www.maharishiyagya.org/apply/yagya.html

[FairfieldLife] A scientific test of jyotish?

[Hugo]

Whilst having a browse at the TM yagya page I noticed
a way to test if the Global Council of Pandits is worth
the not inconsiderable amount they charge for their
services.

Check this out:

http://www.maharishiyagya.org/apply/pdf/Ascertaining%20Correct%20Birth%20Time%20application%20form.pdf

Clever eh? I know the exact time of my birth (my mother 
says she is unlikely to forget it) so all I have to do
is claim not to know, fill out the form and, hey presto,
they are correct or they are not.

Trouble is they want $600 for their trouble which seems
a lot. But they do seem to require an awful lot of info 
to work this out including an approximate birth time. Huh?
No chance guys, no clues.

I think we should have a whip-round in the name of science.
Anyone care to make a donation?



I've never been able to work out why birth time is so
important in these affairs, the planets must have been
acting on me before I was born. Maybe if I give a time
before I was actually born all they will be able to tell
me is that I spent the day curled up and not thinking 
about much. But I tend to do that a lot anyway..

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dust my Blues!

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:


> This is one of my favorite blues songs:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibdw32oWIvo
> 
> But does the bassist play mainly only the root
> of the chord??


Hey Card,


I love the guy too, thanks for posting it.  As you probably know this remake of 
his mega hit "Dust My Broom" (with is a remake of Robert Johnson's original) 
was an attempt to cash in on his big hit with the same guitar work.  I don't 
hear a bass player, just a rhythm guitar. The bass line is with his thumb and 
is a simple 1,4,5 shuffle pattern.  He remade this song another time, changing 
the words a bit more in "Look On Yonder Wall."  A family just posted this video 
of my Summer show on Youtube recently so you can see the guitar part easily.  I 
am playing in open Ab and Elmore usually played in open E.

While I'm at it, here is a video of me at the International Blues Challenge in 
Memphis TN last month.  Similar guitar pattern slowed down.  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8lZ6-EPcrI

There were 80 contestants from all over the world in my solo category.  All the 
solo blues artists of the year for their local blues societies. I represented 
Washington DC.  



>

[FairfieldLife] 2009: Second Warmest Year on Record; End of Warmest Decade

[do.rflex]

 [NASA - Goddard Institute for Space Studies] + NASA Portal

+ Goddard Space Flight Center 
+ GSFC Earth Sciences Division 
[FIND IT @ NASA]









2009: Second Warmest Year on Record; End of Warmest Decade
Jan. 21, 2010

2009 was tied for the second warmest year in the modern record, a new
NASA analysis of global surface temperature shows. The analysis,
conducted by the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York
City, also shows that in the Southern Hemisphere, 2009 was the warmest
year since modern records began in 1880.

  [10-year average global temperature index]
This map shows the 10-year average (2000-2009) temperature anomaly
relative to the 1951-1980 mean. The largest temperature increases are in
the Arctic and the Antarctic Peninsula. (Image credit: NASA/GISS)
+ Larger view
  or PDF

+ View related video
  (Windows Media)

  [graph of the land/ocean temperature index]
Except for a leveling off between the 1940s and 1970s, Earth's surface
temperatures have increased since 1880. The last decade has brought the
temperatures to the highest levels ever recorded. The graph shows global
annual surface temperatures relative to 1951-1980 mean temperatures. As
shown by the red line, long-term trends are more apparent when
temperatures are averaged over a five year period. (Image credit:
NASA/GISS)
+ Larger view


  [graph comparing hemispheric temperatures]
As seen by the blue point farthest to the right on this graph, 2009 was
the warmest year on record in the Southern Hemisphere. (Image credit:
NASA/GISS)
+ Larger view


Although 2008 was the coolest year of the decade, due to strong cooling
of the tropical Pacific Ocean, 2009 saw a return to near-record global
temperatures. The past year was only a fraction of a degree cooler than
2005, the warmest year on record, and tied with a cluster of other years
— 1998, 2002, 2003, 2006 and 2007 1998 and 2007 — as the second
warmest year since recordkeeping began.

"There's always an interest in the annual temperature numbers and on a
given year's ranking, but usually that misses the point," said James
Hansen, the director of GISS. "There's substantial year-to-year
variability of global temperature caused by the tropical El Niño-La
Niña cycle. But when we average temperature over five or ten years to
minimize that variability, we find that global warming is continuing
unabated."

January 2000 to December 2009 was the warmest decade on record.
Throughout the last three decades, the GISS surface temperature record
shows an upward trend of about 0.2°C (0.36°F) per decade. Since
1880, the year that modern scientific instrumentation became available
to monitor temperatures precisely, a clear warming trend is present,
though there was a leveling off between the 1940s and 1970s.

The near-record temperatures of 2009 occurred despite an unseasonably
cool December in much of North America. High air pressures in the Arctic
decreased the east-west flow of the jet stream, while also increasing
its tendency to blow from north to south and draw cold air southward
from the Arctic. This resulted in an unusual effect that caused frigid
air from the Arctic to rush into North America and warmer mid-latitude
air to shift toward the north.

"Of course, the contiguous 48 states cover only 1.5 percent of the world
area, so the U.S. temperature does not affect the global temperature
much,' said Hansen.

In total, average global temperatures have increased by about 0.8°C
(1.5°F) since 1880.

"That's the important number to keep in mind," said Gavin Schmidt,
another GISS climatologist. "In contrast, the difference between, say,
the second and sixth warmest years is trivial since the known
uncertainty — or noise — in the temperature measurement is
larger than some of the differences between the warmest years."
Decoding the Temperature Record
Climate scientists agree that rising levels of carbon dioxide and other
greenhouse gases trap incoming heat near the surface of the Earth and
are the key factors causing the rise in temperatures since 1880, but
these gases are not the only factors that can impact global
temperatures.

Three others key factors — including changes in the Sun's
irradiance, oscillations of sea surface temperature in the tropics, and
changes in aerosol levels — can also cause slight increases or
decreases in the

[FairfieldLife] Judging Stimulus by Job Data Reveals Success

[do.rflex]

Judging Stimulus by Job Data Reveals SuccessBy DAVID LEONHARDT
  - February 16, 2010


Imagine if, one year ago, Congress had passed a stimulus bill
that really worked.

Let's say this bill had started spending money within a matter of
weeks and had rapidly helped the economy. Let's also imagine it was
large enough to have had a huge impact on jobs — employing something
like two million people who would otherwise be unemployed right now.

If that had happened, what would the economy look like today?

Well, it would look almost exactly as it does now. Because those nice
descriptions of the stimulus that I just gave aren't hypothetical.
They are descriptions of the actual bill.

  [190]
Just look at the outside evaluations of the stimulus. Perhaps the
best-known economic research firms are IHS Global Insight, Macroeconomic
Advisers and Moody's
  Economy.com  . They
all estimate that the bill has added 1.6 million to 1.8 million jobs so
far and that its ultimate impact will be roughly 2.5 million jobs. The
Congressional Budget Office
 , an independent
agency, considers these estimates to be conservative.

Yet I'm guessing you don't think of the stimulus bill as a big
success. You've read columns (by me, for example) complaining that
it should have spent money more quickly. Or you've heard about the
phantom ZIP code scandal: the fact that a government Web site mistakenly
reported money being spent in nonexistent ZIP codes.

And many of the criticisms are valid. The program has had its flaws. But
the attention they have received is wildly disproportionate to their
importance. To hark back to another big government program, it's
almost as if the lasting image of the lunar space program was Apollo 6,
an unmanned 1968 mission that had engine problems, and not Apollo 11,
the moon landing.

The reasons for the stimulus's middling
 
popularity  
aren't a mystery. The unemployment rate remains near 10 percent, and
many families are struggling. Saying that things could have been even
worse doesn't exactly inspire. Liberals don't like the stimulus
because they wish it were bigger. Republicans don't like it because
it's a Democratic program. The Obama administration hurt the
bill's popularity by making too rosy an economic forecast
  upon
taking office.

Moreover, the introduction of the most visible parts of the program
— spending on roads, buildings and the like — has been a bit
sluggish. Aid to states, unemployment benefits and some tax provisions
have been more successful and account for far more of the bill. But
their successes are not obvious.

Even if the conventional wisdom is understandable, however, it has
consequences. Because the economy is still a long way from being
healthy, members of Congress are now debating another, smaller stimulus
bill. (They're calling it a "jobs bill," seeing stimulus as
a dirty word.) The logical thing to do would be to examine what worked
and what didn't in last year's bill.

But that's not what is happening. Instead, the debate is largely
disconnected from the huge stimulus experiment we just ran. Why? As
Senator Scott Brown
  of Massachusetts, the newest member of
Congress, said  , in a nice
summary of the misperceptions, the stimulus might have saved some jobs,
but it "didn't create one new job."

•

The case against the stimulus revolves around the idea that the economy
would be no worse off without it. As a Wall Street Journal opinion piece
  put it last year, "The resilience of the private sector
following the fall 2008 panic — not the fiscal stimulus program
— deserves the lion's share of the credit for the impressive
growth improvement."


In a touch of unintended irony, two of article's three authors were
listed as working at a research institution named for Herbert Hoover
 .

Of course, no one can be certain about what would have happened in an
alternate universe without a $787 billion stimulus. But there are two
main reasons to think the hard-core skeptics are misguided — above
and beyond those complicated, independent economic analyses.

The first is the basic narrative that the data offer

[FairfieldLife] Greenland's Glaciers Disappearing From The Bottom Up

[Rick Archer]

GREENLAND'S GLACIERS DISAPPEARING FROM THE BOTTOM UP
By Shanta Barley
New Scientist
February 14, 2010

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18520-greenlands-glaciers-disappearing
-from-the-bottom-up.html

Water warmed by climate change is taking giant bites out of the underbellies
of Greenland's glaciers. As much as 75 per cent of the ice lost by the
glaciers is melted by ocean warmth.

"There's an entrenched view in the public community that glaciers only lose
ice when icebergs calve off," says Eric Rignot at the University of
California, Irvine. "Our study shows that what's happening beneath the water
is just as important."

In the summer of 2008, Rignot's team measured salinity, temperature and
current speeds near four calving fronts in three fjords in western
Greenland. They calculated melting rates from this data.

Unplugged

The underwater faces of the different glaciers retreated by between 0.7 and
3.9 metres each day, representing 20 times more ice than melts off the top
of the glacier. This creates ice overhangs that crumble into the sea, says
Paul Holland at the British Antarctic Society.

Warming water may also be unlocking ice from the seabed, removing the
buttresses that stop inland ice sliding out to sea, says Rignot. This is one
way that warming oceans could be helping to shift Greenland's ice off the
land and out to sea.

Glaciologist Eric Steig at the University of Washington in Seattle says the
importance of bottom-melting by warm ocean water was well-known in Antarctic
glaciers. "But this is the first study to strongly indicate that it is
occurring in Greenland too," he says.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Greenland's Glaciers Disappearing From The Bottom Up

[PaliGap]

I suspect you will fins that "climate change" was added by
the journalist. It would be less contentious and more accurate
to say "ocean change". 

Check out the abstract:
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ngeo765.html

No mention of climate change.

Or check out here:
http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=7545&tid=282&cid=69134&ct=162

"Straneo adds that the study highlights how little is known
about ocean-glacier interactions, which is a connection not
currently included in climate models."

If you are a CO2 warmist you don't really want to hear
that Greenland glaciers are experiencing a little difficulty
with local sea currents. The CO2 rakshasa might be able to
claim quite reasonably "wasn't me Guv, someone else did it!"


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> GREENLAND'S GLACIERS DISAPPEARING FROM THE BOTTOM UP
> By Shanta Barley
> New Scientist
> February 14, 2010
> 
> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18520-greenlands-glaciers-disappearing
> -from-the-bottom-up.html
> 
> Water warmed by climate change is taking giant bites out of the underbellies
> of Greenland's glaciers. As much as 75 per cent of the ice lost by the
> glaciers is melted by ocean warmth.
> 
> "There's an entrenched view in the public community that glaciers only lose
> ice when icebergs calve off," says Eric Rignot at the University of
> California, Irvine. "Our study shows that what's happening beneath the water
> is just as important."
> 
> In the summer of 2008, Rignot's team measured salinity, temperature and
> current speeds near four calving fronts in three fjords in western
> Greenland. They calculated melting rates from this data.
> 
> Unplugged
> 
> The underwater faces of the different glaciers retreated by between 0.7 and
> 3.9 metres each day, representing 20 times more ice than melts off the top
> of the glacier. This creates ice overhangs that crumble into the sea, says
> Paul Holland at the British Antarctic Society.
> 
> Warming water may also be unlocking ice from the seabed, removing the
> buttresses that stop inland ice sliding out to sea, says Rignot. This is one
> way that warming oceans could be helping to shift Greenland's ice off the
> land and out to sea.
> 
> Glaciologist Eric Steig at the University of Washington in Seattle says the
> importance of bottom-melting by warm ocean water was well-known in Antarctic
> glaciers. "But this is the first study to strongly indicate that it is
> occurring in Greenland too," he says.
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] A million dollars a job

[ShempMcGurk]

Let's see.

1.6 million jobs created.

A deficit of $1.6 trillion.

My calculator tells me that's a cost of $1 million for each job created.

Boy, that's some success there Bongo Brazil!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> Judging Stimulus by Job Data Reveals SuccessBy DAVID LEONHARDT
>  hardt/index.html?inline=nyt-per>  - February 16, 2010
> 
> 
> Imagine if, one year ago, Congress had passed a stimulus bill
> that really worked.
> 
> Let's say this bill had started spending money within a matter of
> weeks and had rapidly helped the economy. Let's also imagine it was
> large enough to have had a huge impact on jobs — employing something
> like two million people who would otherwise be unemployed right now.
> 
> If that had happened, what would the economy look like today?
> 
> Well, it would look almost exactly as it does now. Because those nice
> descriptions of the stimulus that I just gave aren't hypothetical.
> They are descriptions of the actual bill.
> 
>   [190]
> Just look at the outside evaluations of the stimulus. Perhaps the
> best-known economic research firms are IHS Global Insight, Macroeconomic
> Advisers and Moody's
>  n/index.html?inline=nyt-org>  Economy.com  . They
> all estimate that the bill has added 1.6 million to 1.8 million jobs so
> far and that its ultimate impact will be roughly 2.5 million jobs. The
> Congressional Budget Office
>  gressional_budget_office/index.html?inline=nyt-org> , an independent
> agency, considers these estimates to be conservative.
> 
> Yet I'm guessing you don't think of the stimulus bill as a big
> success. You've read columns (by me, for example) complaining that
> it should have spent money more quickly. Or you've heard about the
> phantom ZIP code scandal: the fact that a government Web site mistakenly
> reported money being spent in nonexistent ZIP codes.
> 
> And many of the criticisms are valid. The program has had its flaws. But
> the attention they have received is wildly disproportionate to their
> importance. To hark back to another big government program, it's
> almost as if the lasting image of the lunar space program was Apollo 6,
> an unmanned 1968 mission that had engine problems, and not Apollo 11,
> the moon landing.
> 
> The reasons for the stimulus's middling
>  
> popularity  
> aren't a mystery. The unemployment rate remains near 10 percent, and
> many families are struggling. Saying that things could have been even
> worse doesn't exactly inspire. Liberals don't like the stimulus
> because they wish it were bigger. Republicans don't like it because
> it's a Democratic program. The Obama administration hurt the
> bill's popularity by making too rosy an economic forecast
>   upon
> taking office.
> 
> Moreover, the introduction of the most visible parts of the program
> — spending on roads, buildings and the like — has been a bit
> sluggish. Aid to states, unemployment benefits and some tax provisions
> have been more successful and account for far more of the bill. But
> their successes are not obvious.
> 
> Even if the conventional wisdom is understandable, however, it has
> consequences. Because the economy is still a long way from being
> healthy, members of Congress are now debating another, smaller stimulus
> bill. (They're calling it a "jobs bill," seeing stimulus as
> a dirty word.) The logical thing to do would be to examine what worked
> and what didn't in last year's bill.
> 
> But that's not what is happening. Instead, the debate is largely
> disconnected from the huge stimulus experiment we just ran. Why? As
> Senator Scott Brown
>  own/index.html?inline=nyt-per>  of Massachusetts, the newest member of
> Congress, said  , in a nice
> summary of the misperceptions, the stimulus might have saved some jobs,
> but it "didn't create one new job."
> 
> •
> 
> The case against the stimulus revolves around the idea that the economy
> would be no worse off without it. As a Wall Street Journal opinion piece
>  44.html>  put it last year, "The resilience of the private sector
> following the fall 2008 panic — not the fiscal stimulus program
> — deserves the lion's share of the credit for the impressive
> growth improvement."
> 
> 
> In a touch of unintended irony, two of article's three authors were
> listed as working at a research institution named for Herbert Hoover
> 

RE: [FairfieldLife] A million dollars a job

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:14 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] A million dollars a job
 
Let's see.

1.6 million jobs created.

A deficit of $1.6 trillion.

My calculator tells me that's a cost of $1 million for each job created.

Boy, that's some success there Bongo Brazil!
So jobs creation accounts for the entire $1.6 trillion deficit?
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Preston - Summertime

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> If you ever wanted to hear the reason they made an extra keyboard on an organ 
> this is a good opportunity. Billy Preston makes 'Summertime' bleed...
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlxxmNP2MKw
>


Simply wonderful.

>From a vocal persective, my favorite is Billy Stewart's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDLDl0_pt_k

People may forget but "Summertime" was written by George Gerswin from "Porgy 
and Bess".  Unusual for a song from Gershwin's era to be so popular in pop 
music.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Greenland's Glaciers Disappearing From The Bottom Up

[ShempMcGurk]

Gee.  

Can you imagine how much more would have melted had we not had global cooling 
for the past 15 years!

Rick, sit back and enjoy the melting 'cause it's been happening for the last 25 
million years...and it had nothing to do with emissions of green house gases by 
human beings.  

You're being hoodwinked by an industry of scientists who get their grant money 
from governments that won't continue to give it to them unless they can come up 
with reasons for them to do so. And scare tactics and fear-mongering works so 
well with the global-warming sham.

If you want something to worry about, educate yourself scientifically what a 
trillion dollars represents and then ask your hero Obama when he is going to 
balance the budget.

Be very clear: America as we know it is over.  The debt is SO huge and the 
servicing of it is going to be SO much that we won't have much money to spend 
on things like gasolinee.  So your imaginary problem of global warming will be 
solved. 

Oh...and don't believe everything you read in the media.  Think for yourself 
(and try not to keep hoping for all this death and destruction that you seem 
intent upon befalling mankind).




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> GREENLAND'S GLACIERS DISAPPEARING FROM THE BOTTOM UP
> By Shanta Barley
> New Scientist
> February 14, 2010
> 
> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18520-greenlands-glaciers-disappearing
> -from-the-bottom-up.html
> 
> Water warmed by climate change is taking giant bites out of the underbellies
> of Greenland's glaciers. As much as 75 per cent of the ice lost by the
> glaciers is melted by ocean warmth.
> 
> "There's an entrenched view in the public community that glaciers only lose
> ice when icebergs calve off," says Eric Rignot at the University of
> California, Irvine. "Our study shows that what's happening beneath the water
> is just as important."
> 
> In the summer of 2008, Rignot's team measured salinity, temperature and
> current speeds near four calving fronts in three fjords in western
> Greenland. They calculated melting rates from this data.
> 
> Unplugged
> 
> The underwater faces of the different glaciers retreated by between 0.7 and
> 3.9 metres each day, representing 20 times more ice than melts off the top
> of the glacier. This creates ice overhangs that crumble into the sea, says
> Paul Holland at the British Antarctic Society.
> 
> Warming water may also be unlocking ice from the seabed, removing the
> buttresses that stop inland ice sliding out to sea, says Rignot. This is one
> way that warming oceans could be helping to shift Greenland's ice off the
> land and out to sea.
> 
> Glaciologist Eric Steig at the University of Washington in Seattle says the
> importance of bottom-melting by warm ocean water was well-known in Antarctic
> glaciers. "But this is the first study to strongly indicate that it is
> occurring in Greenland too," he says.
> 
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
"curtisdeltablues"  wrote:

>> Me with spooky deep eyes: The transversing planets 
within the universe of our own Self (reflected in the 
microcosmic self as personality rays) display the 
dynamics of tension arising from the opposing forces 
of the creative process within the cosmic core or the 
"I am" creator whose nature is know to those who have 
awakened their inner light as the SUN source of light, 
energy, and bliss for the totality of consciousness 
becoming aware of its own "amness" the unchanging 
absolute basis for all that changes and blossoms forth 
into what we know as the many levels of creation 
throughout all time and transcending time into the 
timelessness of our own infinite awakened SELF.  
Now give me a fiver or get out of the tent.  NEXT! 
>>

Transposed to corporate life:

"We will deliver a systematic and sustained programme 
of efficiency and measures for improved effectiveness, 
translated into sustainable local delivery to ensure 
the delivery of more stretching centrally derived 
targets. There will be more emphasis on local 
ownership and accountability for the identification 
and delivery of efficiencies."

There's a generator here: 
http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/examples/gobbledygook-
generator.html

I'm in the UK and I recently made the mistake of 
asking for some clarification on recent changes to 
sales tax. I got this:

"With effect from 1 January, how to treat supplies of 
services for VAT purposes will depend if business to 
business (B2B) supplies or business to consumer (B2C) 
supplies are being made.  To establish what type of 
supplies you are making please refer to section 2, 
paragraph 2.4 of Notice 741A, which explains about the 
two general rules for the place of supply of services, 
how to identify whether someone is a business customer 
or a consumer and how to decide where a supplier or a 
customer belongs.  Further paragraphs in this section 
explain the definitions of B2B and B2C supplies, how 
to satisfy yourself if you are making B2B supplies and 
why there is more than one place of supply rule.

If you find that your supplies do not fall within the 
special rules set out in the table in sub-paragraph 
2.4.3, then the appropriate new general rule will 
apply.  For example, if the supply is a B2B supply, 
the place of supply is the customer's country.

If you supply B2C services, other than those covered 
by the special rules described in the other sections 
of this notice, the place of supply of your services 
is the place where you belong for the purposes of 
making your supply (see section 3).

This is known as the B2C general rule. If you supply 
services that fall under this section and you belong 
in the UK, you must account for any UK VAT due, no 
matter where your customer belongs.

To decide if you make B2C supplies see paragraph 2.6."

However, if you make B2B supplies, paragraph 5.2 
explains the B2B general rule and advises about ESLs 
as follows:

"If you supply B2B services, other than those covered 
by the special rules described in the other sections 
of this notice, the place of supply of your services 
is the place where your customer belongs for the 
purposes of receiving your supply (see section 3).

This is known as the B2B general rule. If you supply 
services that fall under this section and your 
customer belongs outside the UK, your supply is 
outside the scope of UK VAT. If your customer belongs 
outside the EC there may be local taxes which apply.

If your supply is taxable at a standard or reduced 
rate of VAT (that is to say that the supply is not 
exempt or zero-rated) and is made to a customer 
belonging in another Member State who is VAT 
registered there, with effect from 1 January 2010 you 
may need to complete and submit an EC Sales List. See 
Notice 725 The single market.

If however, your customer belongs in the UK, you must 
account for any UK VAT due.

To decide if you make B2B supplies see paragraph 2.5."

One further point you may need to consider is, if you 
are making supplies as an intermediary.  This is 
explained in section 12 of the Notice, which advises 
that most intermediary services fall under the B2B 
general rule.

Additionally, you may be required to complete an EC 
Sales lists. If you make supplies of services to a 
customer who is not registered in the EC or is based 
outside the EC, then you do not have to complete an 
ESL. However, if the customer is registered for VAT in 
their own country, an ESL will be required to be 
completed by you if the customer is entitled to apply 
the reverse charge in that country.  As you are making 
the supply, it would not fall to you to implement the 
reverse charge, this would be the responsibility of 
the VAT-registered customer in their own country."

I wished I hadn't asked.

[FairfieldLife] Big Businesses pulling out of Climate Change legislation!

[BillyG]

ConocoPhillips, BP and Caterpillar quit USCAP
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ConocoPhillips, BP and Caterpillar have dropped out of the U.S. Climate
Action Partnership (USCAP), the coalition of corporations and
environmental groups that has been most prominent in pushing Congress to
pass cap-and-trade legislation.

The loss of three major companies has dealt a blow to the now 28-member
group and further dims prospects for the cap-and-trade bill that passed
the House last summer and is awaiting action in the Senate.

ConocoPhillips and BP said that USCAP has served its purpose and that
they prefer to pursue their interests independently. Conoco and BP
pulled out Monday, Caterpillar last week.

Conoco and BP cited concerns about the effect that proposed climate
legislation might have on the oil refining business. Conoco chief
executive James J. Mulva said in a statement that the current bill "left
domestic refineries unfairly penalized versus international
competition."

The oil giants also want to do more to promote natural gas, which has
become more abundant because of recent developments in the exploitation
of shale gas and emits half as much greenhouse gas as coal does. The
legislation adopted by the House included benefits for coal producers
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: good vs evil and reproduction

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "fillosofree"  wrote:
>   
>> In this introduction, we see that...
>> 
>
> No, "we" do not. 
>
> My personal "take" on good, evil, and reproduction
> is somewhat shorter than yours. That is, anyone who 
> thinks that they can drop in to a group and lay a 
> 22,000-word "introduction" on people and expect 
> anyone to read it is evil deserves to be forced to 
> read it over and over aloud for eternity in Hell. 
> They should also be prevented from reproducing.

The junk filter on Thunderbird caught it and it rarely does that with 
any FFL posts.  ;-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] A scientific test of jyotish?

[Bhairitu]

Hugo wrote:
> Whilst having a browse at the TM yagya page I noticed
> a way to test if the Global Council of Pandits is worth
> the not inconsiderable amount they charge for their
> services.
>
> Check this out:
>
> http://www.maharishiyagya.org/apply/pdf/Ascertaining%20Correct%20Birth%20Time%20application%20form.pdf
>
> Clever eh? I know the exact time of my birth (my mother 
> says she is unlikely to forget it) so all I have to do
> is claim not to know, fill out the form and, hey presto,
> they are correct or they are not.
>
> Trouble is they want $600 for their trouble which seems
> a lot. But they do seem to require an awful lot of info 
> to work this out including an approximate birth time. Huh?
> No chance guys, no clues.
>
> I think we should have a whip-round in the name of science.
> Anyone care to make a donation?
>
>
>
> I've never been able to work out why birth time is so
> important in these affairs, the planets must have been
> acting on me before I was born. Maybe if I give a time
> before I was actually born all they will be able to tell
> me is that I spent the day curled up and not thinking 
> about much. But I tend to do that a lot anyway..

Birth time rectification is a very tedious time consuming process.  So 
$600 would not be unreasonable.  However I think it is often 
unnecessary.  Probably is we have these "exactist" astrologers who 
believe that dasha subperiods are like lines in sand.  One moment you 
are in one and the next everything changes.  If Jyotish is the science 
of light there is a transitional period where the effects of the 
subperiods are like a movie crossfade.  Effect of the previous subperiod 
wane as the next one waxes.  

 Astrology was never practiced that exact in ancient India but goofy 
westerners with the technology of JPL planetary engines go crazy over 
trifles.  It's even worse in the tropical astrology community where they 
adopt the use of comets and asteroids to justify something in the 
reading.  Fact is most likely, save the Sun and Moon both of which 
definitely effect our daily lives, the other planets were probably used 
as cycle markers.  Jupiter is a twelve year cycle and we have social and 
climate cycles that repeat every 12 years.  There are financial 18 year 
cycles and the lunar nodes mark those.  These slow moving planets often 
set a theme as they go through the houses relative to our ascendant.  
They set a "weather report" for events in our lives meaning that like 
the weather there is a propensity for things happening.  No WAG (wild 
ass guess) would come even close.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fog Of Uncertainty

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:


[snip]


> 
> Sometimes I wonder whether TM-Sidhi True Believers 
> have *lost* brain cells as a result of all that
> thumping around. 


[snip]


Sometimes I wonder whether the prerequisite to falling under the spell of a 
cult guru who convinces you that he has actually levitated in front of you 
dozens of times AND can get you to still believe it many, many years after the 
brainwashing and hypnotizing AND the death by suicide of the cult leader is a 
loss of brain cells.

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'David Wants to Fly'

[Bhairitu]

Vaj wrote:
>
> On Feb 17, 2010, at 5:40 AM, Premanand wrote:
>
>> Has anyone seen a preview of this movie by David Sieveking yet?
>> It was shown last weekend, and reviewed in Variety:-
>> http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117942181.html?categoryid=31&cs=1
>> I notice Judith Bourque is listed as appearing, I wonder what she had 
>> to say?
>
>
> I wonder if it will air in FF or Skelm? Looks like it may be a tad too 
> honest for the TM crowd, claiming to out Mahesh's avaricious ways, his 
> multiple affairs and he's even blasted by the Good Shank of the North 
> (and fellow Guru Dev ghost worshipper). Hopefully they'll have boxes 
> of tissues and a cadre of exit counsellors waiting in the wings.
>
>
> Back in Germany, Sieveking signs up for TM lessons. On the first day, 
> he's required to bring some unusual items -- plus a check for E2,380.
>
> While covering the Maharashi's funeral in India and a subsequent 
> convening of his successors (the "Maharajah" and "Rajas") in the 
> Netherlands, Sieveking witnesses a battle for power within the TM 
> empire. He also spotlights some of the organization's questionable 
> plans for world peace (for which they raise millions of dollars) 
> including the fascist-sounding Invincible German and Bramasthan, where 
> 10,000 pandits are supposed to be chanting 24/7.
>
> However, it's when he begins talking to renegade former TMers who 
> spill the beans about the Maharashi's multiple affairs and the way he 
> bled followers for cash (e.g., raja training is available for $1 
> million), that emails start to fly and lawsuits are threatened.
>
> Pic's best moments include visits to the much-vaunted Bramasthan, 
> which turns out to be a ghost town, and to Swami Swaroopanand, 
> successor to Guru Dev, in a village near Tibet. The swami tells 
> Sieveking that the Maharashi, from a trader caste, was merely Dev's 
> bookkeeper and has no right to give mantras or teach meditation. 
> Besides, he notes, "Gurus don't sell their knowledge, they share it."


I'm surprised that David Lynch has stayed with TM this long.  If he 
thinks Hollywood has "too many rules" then maybe he ought to look at the 
TM movement.   One would think he would wake up to the scam.  I'm sure 
many film cohorts have mentioned other meditation courses far less 
expensive and not scams.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:

There's a generator here:
http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/examples/gobbledygook-
generator.html


Brilliant!  Your tax code answer brought me right back to Vedic Studies but 
without the over-meditation buzz!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
> "curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
> 
> >> Me with spooky deep eyes: The transversing planets 
> within the universe of our own Self (reflected in the 
> microcosmic self as personality rays) display the 
> dynamics of tension arising from the opposing forces 
> of the creative process within the cosmic core or the 
> "I am" creator whose nature is know to those who have 
> awakened their inner light as the SUN source of light, 
> energy, and bliss for the totality of consciousness 
> becoming aware of its own "amness" the unchanging 
> absolute basis for all that changes and blossoms forth 
> into what we know as the many levels of creation 
> throughout all time and transcending time into the 
> timelessness of our own infinite awakened SELF.  
> Now give me a fiver or get out of the tent.  NEXT! 
> >>
> 
> Transposed to corporate life:
> 
> "We will deliver a systematic and sustained programme 
> of efficiency and measures for improved effectiveness, 
> translated into sustainable local delivery to ensure 
> the delivery of more stretching centrally derived 
> targets. There will be more emphasis on local 
> ownership and accountability for the identification 
> and delivery of efficiencies."
> 
> There's a generator here: 
> http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/examples/gobbledygook-
> generator.html
> 
> I'm in the UK and I recently made the mistake of 
> asking for some clarification on recent changes to 
> sales tax. I got this:
> 
> "With effect from 1 January, how to treat supplies of 
> services for VAT purposes will depend if business to 
> business (B2B) supplies or business to consumer (B2C) 
> supplies are being made.  To establish what type of 
> supplies you are making please refer to section 2, 
> paragraph 2.4 of Notice 741A, which explains about the 
> two general rules for the place of supply of services, 
> how to identify whether someone is a business customer 
> or a consumer and how to decide where a supplier or a 
> customer belongs.  Further paragraphs in this section 
> explain the definitions of B2B and B2C supplies, how 
> to satisfy yourself if you are making B2B supplies and 
> why there is more than one place of supply rule.
> 
> If you find that your supplies do not fall within the 
> special rules set out in the table in sub-paragraph 
> 2.4.3, then the appropriate new general rule will 
> apply.  For example, if the supply is a B2B supply, 
> the place of supply is the customer's country.
> 
> If you supply B2C services, other than those covered 
> by the special rules described in the other sections 
> of this notice, the place of supply of your services 
> is the place where you belong for the purposes of 
> making your supply (see section 3).
> 
> This is known as the B2C general rule. If you supply 
> services that fall under this section and you belong 
> in the UK, you must account for any UK VAT due, no 
> matter where your customer belongs.
> 
> To decide if you make B2C supplies see paragraph 2.6."
> 
> However, if you make B2B supplies, paragraph 5.2 
> explains the B2B general rule and advises about ESLs 
> as follows:
> 
> "If you supply B2B services, other than those covered 
> by the special rules described in the other sections 
> of this notice, the place of supply of your services 
> is the place where your customer belongs for the 
> purposes of receiving your supply (see section 3).
> 
> This is known as the B2B general rule. If you supply 
> services that fall under this section and your 
> customer belongs outside the UK, your supply is 
> outside the scope of UK VAT. If your customer belongs 
> outside the EC there may be local taxes which apply.
> 
> If your supply is taxable at a standard or reduced 
> rate of VAT (that is to say that the supply is not 
> exempt or zero-rated) and is made to a customer 
> belonging in another Member State who is VAT 
> registered there, with effect from 1 January 2010 you 
> may need to complete and submit an EC Sales List. See 
> Notice 725 The single market.
> 
> If however, your customer belongs in the UK, you must 
> account for any UK VAT due.
> 
> To decide if you make B2B supplies see paragraph 2.5."
> 
> One further point you may need to consider is, if you 
> are making supplies as an intermediary.  This is 
> explained in section 12 of the Notice, which advises 
> that most intermediary services fall under the B2B 
> general rule.
> 
> Additionally, you may be required to complete an EC 
> Sales lists. If you make supplies of services to a 
> customer who is not registered in the EC or is based 
> outside the EC, then you do not have to complete an 
> ESL

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fog Of Uncertainty

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> 
> > 
> > Sometimes I wonder whether TM-Sidhi True Believers 
> > have *lost* brain cells as a result of all that
> > thumping around. 
> 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> 
> Sometimes I wonder whether the prerequisite to falling under the spell of a 
> cult guru who convinces you that he has actually levitated in front of you 
> dozens of times AND can get you to still believe it many, many years after 
> the brainwashing and hypnotizing AND the death by suicide of the cult leader 
> is a loss of brain cells.
>

A very good point!  We've had that in the back of our minds all along.  You 
spoke it for us.

[FairfieldLife] 80% Americans Oppose SCOTUS Campaign Finance Decision

[do.rflex]

ABC News - Obama raised eyebrows at his State of the Union address last month 
by criticizing the high court's ruling throwing out limits on corporate 
spending in political campaigns.

Turns out he's got company: Our latest ABC News/Washington Post poll
finds that 80 percent of Americans likewise oppose the ruling, including
65 percent who "strongly" oppose it, an unusually high intensity of
sentiment.

http://snipurl.com/ueeko

Re: [FairfieldLife] A million dollars a job

[Bhairitu]

Rick Archer wrote:
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:14 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] A million dollars a job
>  
> Let's see.
>
> 1.6 million jobs created.
>
> A deficit of $1.6 trillion.
>
> My calculator tells me that's a cost of $1 million for each job created.
>
> Boy, that's some success there Bongo Brazil!
> So jobs creation accounts for the entire $1.6 trillion deficit?

Well of course not but  a lot of us who actually were able to vote for 
Obama (unlike "Bongo") a quite irritated with his corporatist leanings 
and these propaganda messages the Ministry of Truth issues about the 
recovery.  We have eyes.  We can look around and see no recovery is 
happening.   If Obama wants to regain my confidence he should fire Rahm 
Emmanuel immediately as well as Larry Summers and that economist 
Rubin.   The US was trashed by 30 years of Republican't rule.  No reason 
for Obama to continue those policies though it might be life threatening 
to discontinue them.  We need a truly brave person at the helm to do 
what is right.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A million dollars a job

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Rick Archer wrote:
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:14 PM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] A million dollars a job
> >  
> > Let's see.
> >
> > 1.6 million jobs created.
> >
> > A deficit of $1.6 trillion.
> >
> > My calculator tells me that's a cost of $1 million for each job created.
> >
> > Boy, that's some success there Bongo Brazil!
> > So jobs creation accounts for the entire $1.6 trillion deficit?
> 
> Well of course not but  a lot of us who actually were able to vote for 
> Obama (unlike "Bongo") 



Americans living out of country, including myself, can and do vote, birdbrain.




a quite irritated with his corporatist leanings 
> and these propaganda messages the Ministry of Truth issues about the 
> recovery.  We have eyes.  We can look around and see no recovery is 
> happening.   If Obama wants to regain my confidence he should fire Rahm 
> Emmanuel immediately as well as Larry Summers and that economist 
> Rubin.   The US was trashed by 30 years of Republican't rule.  No reason 
> for Obama to continue those policies though it might be life threatening 
> to discontinue them.  We need a truly brave person at the helm to do 
> what is right.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A million dollars a job

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:14 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] A million dollars a job
>  
> Let's see.
> 
> 1.6 million jobs created.
> 
> A deficit of $1.6 trillion.
> 
> My calculator tells me that's a cost of $1 million for each job created.
> 
> Boy, that's some success there Bongo Brazil!
> So jobs creation accounts for the entire $1.6 trillion deficit?
>


Actually, yes.

The classic purpose of deficit spending is the creation of jobs.  So even 
without the part of the deficit that is stimulous spending the purpose was job 
creation. So, taken as a whole, that's the calculation.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A million dollars a job

[WillyTex]

> > Well of course not but  a lot of us who actually 
> > were able to vote for Obama (unlike "Bongo") 
> >
Bongo: 
> Americans living out of country, including myself, 
> can and do vote, birdbrain.
> 
"As I plainly stated, I haven't voted since the Nixon 
election..."

Read more:

From: John Manning
Newsgroups: alt.religion.mormon, 
alt.meditation.transcendental, 
alt.politics.usa
Date: December 6, 2003
Subject: Re: The Religious Right Wants Your Tax Dollars
http://tinyurl.com/yc8xqsq

[FairfieldLife] Re: A million dollars a job

[WillyTex]

Bhairitu:
> We need a truly brave person at the helm to do 
> what is right...
>
All the jobs that were created by the stimulus went 
to the federal government. Who is the brave person 
that would change that? Not Obama - he gave Wall 
Street billions of dollars and all the jobs went to 
the unions.

"In personal and profane terms, House and Senate 
Democrats have huddled behind closed doors to list 
the debacles: The stunner in Massachusetts that cost 
the Democrats a Senate seat. The slow-motion collapse 
of health care talks. A government bailout of Wall 
Street while unemployment sits in double-digits..."

'Democratic anger goes public in prime time'
By Laurie Kellman
Guardian, January 28, 2010
http://tinyurl.com/y8rj9lc

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Fog Of Uncertainty

[Bhairitu]

ShempMcGurk wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
>
> [snip]
>
>
>   
>> Sometimes I wonder whether TM-Sidhi True Believers 
>> have *lost* brain cells as a result of all that
>> thumping around. 
>> 
>
>
> [snip]
>
>
> Sometimes I wonder whether the prerequisite to falling under the spell of a 
> cult guru who convinces you that he has actually levitated in front of you 
> dozens of times AND can get you to still believe it many, many years after 
> the brainwashing and hypnotizing AND the death by suicide of the cult leader 
> is a loss of brain cells.

And here I thought Turq was channeling Cary Grant. ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fog Of Uncertainty

[WillyTex]

> > Sometimes I wonder whether TM-Sidhi True Believers 
> > have *lost* brain cells as a result of all that
> > thumping around. 
> >
Shemp:
> Sometimes I wonder whether the prerequisite to falling 
> under the spell of a cult guru who convinces you that 
> he has actually levitated in front of you dozens of 
> times AND can get you to still believe it many, many 
> years after the brainwashing and hypnotizing AND the 
> death by suicide of the cult leader is a loss of brain 
> cells.
>
True Believers (TBs)! In and out of religious cults for
most of their adult life, with nothing to show for it.

Barry and Sally.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A million dollars a job

[It's just a ride]

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:50 PM, do.rflex  wrote:

>
>
>
> Americans living out of country, including myself, can and do vote,
> birdbrain.
>

I assume you keep a US residence, since voter registration is by state,
which breaks down into precinct.

I know of many permanent residents who've refused to become US citizens
because that would forever subject them to paying US income taxes no matter
where they live on the globe.




> --
>

If you but soak up the sunlight you are given, drink each drop of water I
send, and strive only to be yourself, life shall quicken in your roots,
spirit shall raise you into the light, and your bloom will inspire the
world.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim

[It's just a ride]

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:19 AM, PaliGap  wrote:

>
> Transposed to corporate life:
>
> "We will deliver a systematic and sustained programme
> of efficiency and measures for improved effectiveness,
> translated into sustainable local delivery to ensure
> the delivery of more stretching centrally derived
> targets. There will be more emphasis on local
> ownership and accountability for the identification
> and delivery of efficiencies."
>
> There's a generator here:
> http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/examples/gobbledygook-
> generator.html
>
>
This is not business gobbledygook.  This is a typical for business or any US
state, city or federal government agency's mission statement.  I remember
when were we ISOing companies, everybody had to write a mission statement
for his/her department, as each department had "customers" it was
serving/servicing.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane.



>
> Additionally, you may be required to complete an EC
> Sales lists. If you make supplies of services to a
> customer who is not registered in the EC or is based
> outside the EC, then you do not have to complete an
> ESL. However, if the customer is registered for VAT in
> their own country, an ESL will be required to be
> completed by you if the customer is entitled to apply
> the reverse charge in that country.  As you are making
> the supply, it would not fall to you to implement the
> reverse charge, this would be the responsibility of
> the VAT-registered customer in their own country."
>
> I wished I hadn't asked.
>
>
>
Try dealing with the US DOD or for that matter any US agency or department.
The requests for quotes, requests for proposals, quotations and proposals
all read a lot more obtuse and complicated than the answer to your
question.  There is an entire discipline, perhaps something for which you
can get a masters or a Ph.D. in, in the composing and decomposing formal
trade/business correspondence with the US government.  It's all part of the
paperwork elimination, streamlining efforts, don't you see?


-- 

If you but soak up the sunlight you are given, drink each drop of water I
send, and strive only to be yourself, life shall quicken in your roots,
spirit shall raise you into the light, and your bloom will inspire the
world.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A million dollars a job

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "It's just a ride"
 wrote:
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:50 PM, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Americans living out of country, including myself, can and do vote,
> > birdbrain.
> >
>
> I assume you keep a US residence, since voter registration is by
state,
> which breaks down into precinct.
>
> I know of many permanent residents who've refused to become US
citizens
> because that would forever subject them to paying US income taxes no
matter
> where they live on the globe.
>


Hey, that's a good point. Maybe I should just keep my permanent
residence and not bother to get citizenship? Although, I think it is
pretty easy for a naturalised citizen to give up their citizenship.
Presumably if someone wants to remain American even if they live abroad,
they do so because they like it, therefore won't complain about paying
taxes --- and getting SS benifits etc., later ??

How does Turq do it? He doesn't pay taxes in the US otherwise they would
find out where he is.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: A million dollars a job

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "It's just a ride" 
 wrote:
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:50 PM, do.rflex  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > Americans living out of country, including myself, can and do vote,
> > birdbrain.
> >
> 
> I assume you keep a US residence, 


I do. But voter registration can be done here: 
https://www.overseasvotefoundation.org/


since voter registration is by state,
> which breaks down into precinct.
> 
> I know of many permanent residents who've refused to become US citizens
> because that would forever subject them to paying US income taxes no matter
> where they live on the globe.
> 


US citizens abroad still have to pay income tax. I pay income tax on my 
retirement - and also pay property tax on my US home.



> > --
> >
> 
> If you but soak up the sunlight you are given, drink each drop of water I
> send, and strive only to be yourself, life shall quicken in your roots,
> spirit shall raise you into the light, and your bloom will inspire the
> world.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation as Millennial Movement (?)

[WillyTex]

Hugo: 
> Didn't John Hagelin mention it in a recent broadcast?
> 
> Can't remember what his angle was
>
According to John Hegelin, the universe is non-deterministic 
and the concept of an objective measurement is meaningless. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , Vaj  wrote:
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2010, at 5:40 AM, Premanand wrote:
>
> > Has anyone seen a preview of this movie by David Sieveking yet?
> > It was shown last weekend, and reviewed in Variety:-
> > http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117942181.html?categoryid=31&cs=1

> > I notice Judith Bourque is listed as appearing, I wonder what she
> > had to say?
>
>
> I wonder if it will air in FF or Skelm? Looks like it may be a tad
> too honest for the TM crowd, claiming to out Mahesh's avaricious
> ways, his multiple affairs and he's even blasted by the Good Shank of
> the North (and fellow Guru Dev ghost worshipper). Hopefully they'll
> have boxes of tissues and a cadre of exit counsellors waiting in the
> wings.
>
>
> Back in Germany, Sieveking signs up for TM lessons. On the first day,
> he's required to bring some unusual items -- plus a check for E2,380.
>
> While covering the Maharashi's funeral in India and a subsequent
> convening of his successors (the "Maharajah" and "Rajas") in the
> Netherlands, Sieveking witnesses a battle for power within the TM
> empire. He also spotlights some of the organization's questionable
> plans for world peace (for which they raise millions of dollars)
> including the fascist-sounding Invincible German and Bramasthan,
> where 10,000 pandits are supposed to be chanting 24/7.
>
> However, it's when he begins talking to renegade former TMers who
> spill the beans about the Maharashi's multiple affairs and the way he
> bled followers for cash>

Oh boy, I hope this guy knows what he's doing. Un-substantiated slander
is a serious offence in some places.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 begins krishna sat yuga according to maharishi vedic pundits

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" 
wrote:

> > mum teachers looked shocked, apparently maharishi was riding krisnas
> > coat tails all along, >>
> >
> > You say that as if you think Krishna, a fictional character, is a
more
> > of a real person than Maharishi. Krishna is a story from a
storybook.

> Krishna isn't real?
>
> Then who's that blue guy sitting in my living room> [michelin man :)
by fRandi-Shooters.]

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Vaj wrote:
> >
> > On Feb 17, 2010, at 5:40 AM, Premanand wrote:
> >
> >> Has anyone seen a preview of this movie by David Sieveking yet?
> >> It was shown last weekend, and reviewed in Variety:-
> >> http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117942181.html?categoryid=31&cs=1

> >> I notice Judith Bourque is listed as appearing, I wonder what she
had
> >> to say?
> >
> >
> > I wonder if it will air in FF or Skelm? Looks like it may be a tad
too
> > honest for the TM crowd, claiming to out Mahesh's avaricious ways,
his
> > multiple affairs and he's even blasted by the Good Shank of the
North
> > (and fellow Guru Dev ghost worshipper). Hopefully they'll have boxes
> > of tissues and a cadre of exit counsellors waiting in the wings.
> >
> >
> > Back in Germany, Sieveking signs up for TM lessons. On the first
day,
> > he's required to bring some unusual items -- plus a check for
E2,380.
> >
> > While covering the Maharashi's funeral in India and a subsequent
> > convening of his successors (the "Maharajah" and "Rajas") in the
> > Netherlands, Sieveking witnesses a battle for power within the TM
> > empire. He also spotlights some of the organization's questionable
> > plans for world peace (for which they raise millions of dollars)
> > including the fascist-sounding Invincible German and Bramasthan,
where
> > 10,000 pandits are supposed to be chanting 24/7.
> >
> > However, it's when he begins talking to renegade former TMers who
> > spill the beans about the Maharashi's multiple affairs and the way
he
> > bled followers for cash (e.g., raja training is available for $1
> > million), that emails start to fly and lawsuits are threatened.
> >
> > Pic's best moments include visits to the much-vaunted Bramasthan,
> > which turns out to be a ghost town, and to Swami Swaroopanand,
> > successor to Guru Dev, in a village near Tibet. The swami tells
> > Sieveking that the Maharashi, from a trader caste, was merely Dev's
> > bookkeeper and has no right to give mantras or teach meditation.
> > Besides, he notes, "Gurus don't sell their knowledge, they share
it."
>
>
> I'm surprised that David Lynch has stayed with TM this long.  If he
> thinks Hollywood has "too many rules" then maybe he ought to look at
the
> TM movement.   One would think he would wake up to the scam>>

It appears he got enlightened through TM. He admires Maharishi and TM so
much, and is very blissful about it.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic "Floating" experience

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "martyboi" 
wrote:
>
> A quote from a hostile jock during a friend's flying block:
>
> "Why are all those efin* f*ggots the first ones to hop?"
>
> I noticed the same thing on my course. When I discussed it with a
"fruity dancer" he said it was because straight men are unable to "truly
let go in bed" and that spills over into the rest of their life.
>
> I think there is some truth to that.
>

Nah, some of the highest and most blissful fliers were plain and simple
working-class joes (brick-layers, gardeners, carpenters), with nothing
to prove.

OffWorld

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'

[Bhairitu]

off_world_beings wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , Bhairitu  wrote:
>   
>> Vaj wrote:
>> 
>>> On Feb 17, 2010, at 5:40 AM, Premanand wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Has anyone seen a preview of this movie by David Sieveking yet?
 It was shown last weekend, and reviewed in Variety:-
 http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117942181.html?categoryid=31&cs=1
 
> 
>   
 I notice Judith Bourque is listed as appearing, I wonder what she
 
> had
>   
 to say?
 
>>> I wonder if it will air in FF or Skelm? Looks like it may be a tad
>>>   
> too
>   
>>> honest for the TM crowd, claiming to out Mahesh's avaricious ways,
>>>   
> his
>   
>>> multiple affairs and he's even blasted by the Good Shank of the
>>>   
> North
>   
>>> (and fellow Guru Dev ghost worshipper). Hopefully they'll have boxes
>>> of tissues and a cadre of exit counsellors waiting in the wings.
>>>
>>>
>>> Back in Germany, Sieveking signs up for TM lessons. On the first
>>>   
> day,
>   
>>> he's required to bring some unusual items -- plus a check for
>>>   
> E2,380.
>   
>>> While covering the Maharashi's funeral in India and a subsequent
>>> convening of his successors (the "Maharajah" and "Rajas") in the
>>> Netherlands, Sieveking witnesses a battle for power within the TM
>>> empire. He also spotlights some of the organization's questionable
>>> plans for world peace (for which they raise millions of dollars)
>>> including the fascist-sounding Invincible German and Bramasthan,
>>>   
> where
>   
>>> 10,000 pandits are supposed to be chanting 24/7.
>>>
>>> However, it's when he begins talking to renegade former TMers who
>>> spill the beans about the Maharashi's multiple affairs and the way
>>>   
> he
>   
>>> bled followers for cash (e.g., raja training is available for $1
>>> million), that emails start to fly and lawsuits are threatened.
>>>
>>> Pic's best moments include visits to the much-vaunted Bramasthan,
>>> which turns out to be a ghost town, and to Swami Swaroopanand,
>>> successor to Guru Dev, in a village near Tibet. The swami tells
>>> Sieveking that the Maharashi, from a trader caste, was merely Dev's
>>> bookkeeper and has no right to give mantras or teach meditation.
>>> Besides, he notes, "Gurus don't sell their knowledge, they share
>>>   
> it."
>   
>> I'm surprised that David Lynch has stayed with TM this long.  If he
>> thinks Hollywood has "too many rules" then maybe he ought to look at
>> 
> the
>   
>> TM movement.   One would think he would wake up to the scam>>
>> 
>
> It appears he got enlightened through TM. He admires Maharishi and TM so
> much, and is very blissful about it.
>
> OffWorld

I doubt that.  I just think he thinks TM is a neat thing and hasn't look 
much further than his nose.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 begins krishna sat yuga according to maharishi vedic pundits

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "shukra69" 
wrote:
>
> yes Krishna is a story in a book, he also the story in your body, in
the atoms and in the cosmos, eternal and everywhere and Maharishi M Y is
the knower of all the stories>

Then its not a story. It is me, I am it.

OffWorld


>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , off_world_beings 
wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

> >  > , "nadarrombus" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > i asked maharishi vedic pundits in 2000 at rukmapura hotel in a
large
> > meeting with students and teachers from mum - the maharishi jyotish
> > pundits about 2012. they said it was the beginning of krishna sat
yuga.
> > krishna promised a 10,000 year golden age starting 2012- 5,000 years
> > from his death. they said it is common knowledge among themselves.
the
> > mum teachers looked shocked, apparently maharishi was riding krisnas
> > coat tails all along, >>
> >
> > You say that as if you think Krishna, a fictional character, is a
more
> > of a real person than Maharishi. Krishna is a story from a
storybook.
> > Maharishi was a man in recent memory.
> >
> > Besides, as Maharishi said, where is the fun in announcing the
> > approaching dawn after the sun has come up?
> >
> > OffWorld
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Patanjali, Vyasa and Shankara on Omkar, Ishvara and Samadhi

[emptybill]

Patanjali, Vyasa and Shankara on Omkara, Ishvara and Samadhi


Patanjali lists various ways that Samadhi can be realized in the first
chapter (pada). However, not all the results are due to the personal
resolution and practice of the yogin.



According to Patanjali, Ishvara can also grant samadhi - not just minor
samadhi but ultimate samadhi (kevala-samadhi). Scholars consider this to
be more than a thematic dogma for Patanjali. The consensus among
scholars is that for the yogins of his day direct experience of Ishvara
was considered a most important means toward release (kevala) for the
yogin.




After listing many of the ways to realized samadhi, Patajali says this:





YS 1.23 - ishvara pranidhaanaad-vaa



ishvara  = ruler, master, owner

pranidhaana = resolution, here: surrender or devotion (from pra + ni +
|dhaa `to put')

vaa = or



Or by surrender to ishvara (he gains samadhi)





YS 1.27 -  tasya vaacakaH praaNavaH

tasya = his (from tad)
vaacaka = from |vac 'to speak'; literally 'speaking, denoting'
praanava = lit. 'pronouncement' (from pra + |nu 'to shout, exult')

His denotation (lit: to make known) is pronunciation (lit: to announce
forth)



More accurately in street English:



He is made known by pronouncing it (om).





YS 1.28 - taj-japas-tad-artha-bhaavanam



tad = that

japas = repetition (from |'to repeat, mutter')

tad = that

artha = meaning, object or referent (from |arth `to intend')

bhaavana = contemplation (from |bhuu `to become')



Repeat that … contemplate its meaning



Again in street English:



Repeat it and comprehend its (object) or meaning (i.e. ishvara `the
ruler')



Note:



Please notice that our practice of sutra-sanyama is based upon the
recognition of the particular meaning (artha) of a sutra and not upon
Sanskrit pronunciation or mantric sound-value, as in TM. It is just such
a practice of "artha-bhavana-sanyama" which does serve as a
fitting basis for ishvara-pranidhana as defined by Patanjali.



Vyasa says:

Repetition (japa) and bhaavana on Ishvara who is denoted by Om is
enjoined. When the yogin repeats Om and performs bhaavana on the meaning
his mind become one-pointed.



Thus has it been said:

"After the repetition of Om let him meditate on Ishvara. After
meditation on Ishvara let him repeat Om. Through perfecting repetition
in repeating Om and meditating on Ishvara, the Paramaatman shines
forth." (Vishnu Purana)



Shankara says:



The yogi who does both these achieves one-pointedness of the mind. By
repetition of Om he has his mind turned toward Ishvara and he meditates
on the meaning of Om, i.e. Ishvara. Meditating on its meaning with a
steady mind "svadhaayamaasate" means he should repeat Om
mentally. Mental repetition is praised, as it is closer to meditation.
The idea is that the mind should not run toward objects.



YS 1.29 -  tataH pratyakcetanaa-adhigamo'py-antaraaya-abhaavaS-ca
tatas



Tats = thence

Pratyak-cetanaa = inward or reverse consciousness

  (from prati+ |ac `to bend' + |cit `to be
conscious')

adhigama = attainment (from adhi + |gam `to go')

api = also

antaraaya = obstacle (from antar `between' + |i `to go',
lit. `get between')

abhaava = disappearance or absence (from a + |bhuu `to become')

ca = and



Due to that (Ishvara-pranidhaana) there is an absence of obstacles and
attainment of inner consciousness (pratyak-cetanaa).



Vyasa says:

As a result of surrender to Ishvara there are none of the obstacles
(such as sickness, etc.)

They disappear by surrender to Ishvara. The yogin also obtains a
perception of his true self.



Ishvara is a special purusha (vishesa-purushaH). pure (prasannaH), alone
(kevalaH: without the three gunas), free from suffering (nirpasargaH)
and knower of the intellect (buddheH pratisamvediityavagachhati).



Please note that the word `God', in its
(Judeo-Christian-Islamic) monotheistic sense, is not cognate with
Ishvara and is opposed to the concept found in Patanjali's yoga, as
also with Shankara's teaching about Kevala-Advaita.



god (g¼d) n. 1. God.a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent,
omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of
faith and worship in monotheistic religions. b. The force, effect, or a
manifestation or aspect of this being. c. Christian Science.
"Infinite Mind; Spirit; Soul; Principle; Life; Truth; Love"
(Mary Baker Eddy). 2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes,
believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought
to control some part of nature or reality. 3. An image of a supernatural
being; an idol. 4. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: money
was their god. 5. A very handsome man. 6. A powerful ruler or despot.
[Middle English, from Old English. See gheu(…)- below.]



  gheu(…)-. Important derivatives are: god, giddy.
gheu(…)-. To call, invoke. Suffixed zero-grade form *ghu-to-,
"the invoked," god. a. GOD, from Old English god, god; b. GIDDY,
from Old English gydig, gi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:

> Me with spooky deep eyes:
> The transversing planets within the universe of our own Self
> (reflected in the microcosmic self as personality rays) display
> the dynamics of tension arising from the opposing forces of the
> creative process within the cosmic core or the "I am" creator
> whose nature is know to those who have awakened their inner light
> as the SUN source of light, energy, and bliss for the totality of
> consciousness becoming aware of its own "amness" the unchanging
> absolute basis for all that changes and blossoms forth into what
> we know as the many levels of creation throughout all time and
> transcending time into the timelessness of our own infinite
> awakened SELF.
> 
> Now give me a fiver or get out of the tent.  NEXT!

Damn, you're good! I think there's gonna be a Curtisian Mystery School in our 
future!

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'

[WillyTex]

> > > The swami tells Sieveking that the Maharashi, from 
> > > a trader caste, was merely Dev's bookkeeper and has 
> > > no right to give mantras or teach meditation.
> > >
So, the Swaroopanand seems to believe in the Hindu caste
system. That, in itself, is enough to disqualify him from
teaching a spiritual path. 

>From what I've read, the Swami Swaroopanand got a summons 
for stealing items from the Jyotirmath Ashram and was forced 
to return the stolen items. This was mentioned in the Times
of India.

Go figure.

Apparently, Guru Dev never accepted money, so what need 
would he have for a 'bookkeeper'? Sounds to me like the
Swaroopanand should maybe resign his seat, or keep his big 
pie-hole shut!

Bhairitu: 
> I'm surprised that David Lynch has stayed with TM this 
> long.  If he thinks Hollywood has "too many rules" then 
> maybe he ought to look at the TM movement. One would think 
> he would wake up to the scam.  I'm sure many film cohorts 
> have mentioned other meditation courses far less expensive 
> and not scams.
>
So, I wonder how many years you spent 'scamming' the public? 

The other Barry says fourteen years, Curtis says twelve, Edg
says twenty-five and John Manning claims he scammed over
5,000 people out of their money. What's up with that?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
> Damn, you're good! I think there's gonna be a Curtisian Mystery School in our 
> future!

Thanks Alex but if I'm gunna work the Carny Circuit I want to be a Weight 
Guesser.  They get paid to ogle and I think I am already pretty good at that! 


>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> 
> > Me with spooky deep eyes:
> > The transversing planets within the universe of our own Self
> > (reflected in the microcosmic self as personality rays) display
> > the dynamics of tension arising from the opposing forces of the
> > creative process within the cosmic core or the "I am" creator
> > whose nature is know to those who have awakened their inner light
> > as the SUN source of light, energy, and bliss for the totality of
> > consciousness becoming aware of its own "amness" the unchanging
> > absolute basis for all that changes and blossoms forth into what
> > we know as the many levels of creation throughout all time and
> > transcending time into the timelessness of our own infinite
> > awakened SELF.
> > 
> > Now give me a fiver or get out of the tent.  NEXT!
> 
> Damn, you're good! I think there's gonna be a Curtisian Mystery School in our 
> future!
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'

[Bhairitu]

WillyTex wrote:
>
> Bhairitu: 
>   
>> I'm surprised that David Lynch has stayed with TM this 
>> long.  If he thinks Hollywood has "too many rules" then 
>> maybe he ought to look at the TM movement. One would think 
>> he would wake up to the scam.  I'm sure many film cohorts 
>> have mentioned other meditation courses far less expensive 
>> and not scams.
>>
>> 
> So, I wonder how many years you spent 'scamming' the public? 
>
> The other Barry says fourteen years, Curtis says twelve, Edg
> says twenty-five and John Manning claims he scammed over
> 5,000 people out of their money. What's up with that?

At a max of $125 a pop I don't think any of us scammed anyone.  That was 
a reasonable price and if people didn't like the meditation they weren't 
out much.  But at $2400 or whatever the going rate is they would be.

You don't charge for the meditation but for the time the teacher has to 
take.  It could be condensed into a weekend workshop which is probably 
more convenient for most people.  Many other meditation schools do this 
and keep the fee down so people can afford it.  The teachers get paid 
for their time unless it is a monastic outfit where the teachers are 
monks and needs taken care of by the ashram.  And westerners do feel 
that charging for meditation makes it seem worthy.  That is as long as 
the fee is reasonable.  And for the record I only taught about 20 people 
as MMY then wanted the MIU graduates to do the teaching.  About then is 
when the movement began falling apart because these kids had no real 
experience in life and many potential meditation students couldn't stand 
them and would ask "where is so and so?  I want to learn from them."

[FairfieldLife] Re: A million dollars a job

[WillyTex]

do:
> I pay income tax on my retirement...
>
You pay federal income tax on a U.S. 
Postal Service pension?

Apparently there is no income tax on 
federal pensions. That's one of the 
reasons that postal workers make more 
than the average worker. 

My plan is to slash 20% of U.S. Postal 
workers salary and pension, in order to 
reduce the federal defecit. 

Why should U.S. Postal workers make 
more than the average worker? For sure
the reason is NOT that they are better
workers!

"It is imperative that federal pay 
determination systems be reformed to 
eliminate wasteful excess spending for 
federal employee compensation. Fairness 
to taxpayers requires reform. And reform 
is required for fairness to future 
generations, who are already obligated 
by the burdensome federal debt..." 

Read more:

http://www.publicpurpose.com/pp-fdpay.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation as Millennial Movement (?)

[Buck]

> 
> 
> >
> > millennial movements (The End of the World: as we know it), 
> > 
> > "one of the students asked me if the 2012 Mayan calendar prophecies are 
> > taken seriously by some of the folks in FF.   Apparently, a friend of his 
> > new age mom lives in FF or has some sort of connections there (he was 
> > vague) and has heard that people have taken up the 2012 hysteria.  While it 
> > would surprise me if NOBODY in FF took the Mayan stuff seriously, I 
> > wouldn't expect widespread enthusiasm for it."  (?)
> >
> 
> From side e-mail:
> 
> <: ...although i would not have used the term, as the promised 
> >transformation was
> never associated specifically w/ millennial timeframes, broadly it
> definitely fits as that is what we have been taught for many >yearseven
> up to maharishi's last 'transmissions'!   he taked about how >his 'work was
> done' and that the descent of heaven on earth was assured.  it was >not a
> matter of "if"   nor was it far offbut in our life times.  >better hurry!
> and heck.  HOE sounds good to mebring it on!  =:-)
>

fra e-mail: >paste<
about millennialism, although I'd heard Maharishi talk about the Age of 
Enlightenment and Creating Heaven on Earth for decades, I'd never really 
considered the millennial aspects of the Movement. <>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'

[Joe]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> > > > The swami tells Sieveking that the Maharashi, from 
> > > > a trader caste, was merely Dev's bookkeeper and has 
> > > > no right to give mantras or teach meditation.
> > > >
> So, the Swaroopanand seems to believe in the Hindu caste
> system. That, in itself, is enough to disqualify him from
> teaching a spiritual path. 
> 
> From what I've read, the Swami Swaroopanand got a summons 
> for stealing items from the Jyotirmath Ashram and was forced 
> to return the stolen items. This was mentioned in the Times
> of India.
> 
> Go figure.
> 
> Apparently, Guru Dev never accepted money, so what need 
> would he have for a 'bookkeeper'? Sounds to me like the
> Swaroopanand should maybe resign his seat, or keep his big 
> pie-hole shut!
> 
> Bhairitu: 
> > I'm surprised that David Lynch has stayed with TM this 
> > long.  If he thinks Hollywood has "too many rules" then 
> > maybe he ought to look at the TM movement. One would think 
> > he would wake up to the scam.  I'm sure many film cohorts 
> > have mentioned other meditation courses far less expensive 
> > and not scams.
> >
> So, I wonder how many years you spent 'scamming' the public? 
> 
> The other Barry says fourteen years, Curtis says twelve, Edg
> says twenty-five and John Manning claims he scammed over
> 5,000 people out of their money. What's up with that?
>
Tex, do you really imagine yourself to be clever? I suppose you do since you 
post about every five minutes here, always with the same old routine.
BTW, I didn't find your name on the list of TM Teachers in good standing in 
Fairfield. 
What's up with that?

Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A million dollars a job

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "WillyTex" 
wrote:
>
> do:
> > I pay income tax on my retirement...
> >
> You pay federal income tax on a U.S.
> Postal Service pension?
>
> Apparently there is no income tax on
> federal pensions. That's one of the
> reasons that postal workers make more
> than the average worker.
>
> My plan is to slash 20% of U.S. Postal
> workers salary and pension, in order to
> reduce the federal defecit.

You are old, but you are also as dumb as it gets. But then, you are
American, which gives you a 30% higher chance of saying something stupid
like the above as compared to the average human.

How then, in your scenario, will you get the mail delivered? Will you
continue to subsidize failing companies such as FedEx and UPS like the
Soviet Union through the Bank bailouts of the past couple of years, so
that they can continue to pretend to idiots like you that they are 
competative with the US Post Office -- which, despite your ignoarnce on
the subject Willytex,  is much more efficient financially than are the
tax-payer subsidized FedEx and UPS.

Do your homework. You haven't even got a clue how those companies get
their loans to keep functioning, you stupid dumb bastard. THEY GET IT
FROM CHINA via US bank bailouts -- you dumb idiot American.

OffWorld


>
> Why should U.S. Postal workers make
> more than the average worker? For sure
> the reason is NOT that they are better
> workers!
>
> "It is imperative that federal pay
> determination systems be reformed to
> eliminate wasteful excess spending for
> federal employee compensation. Fairness
> to taxpayers requires reform. And reform
> is required for fairness to future
> generations, who are already obligated
> by the burdensome federal debt..."
>
> Read more:
>
> http://www.publicpurpose.com/pp-fdpay.htm

>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim

[lurkernomore20002000]

My Rama done left me.  That's a good one.  They're all good.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Ya know, bro, you're kinda shirking your destiny.  What with the music chops 
> and the writing skills, ya should be pumping out new blues with new age 
> angst.  Instead of "my dog died and mama's in jail again," you could be 
> wailing:  "I'm just a walk-in but I'm on my way out." or, "My Rama done left 
> me." or, "My Harshi lied to me." or, "Gotta get my shakti up just to see I'm 
> down." 
> 
> Edg
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > You can see him sooner than that even--
> > > > He started his own Facebook group,
> > > > the Rorian Mystery School. :)
> > > > 
> > > > http://bit.ly/aNzsLg
> > > 
> > > Thanks for posting this.  I just can't figure this out. It's as though 
> > > Rory could go on hour after hour with this stuff.  What I wonder is, 
> > > would he give the same talk tomorrow as he gave today, if he were 
> > > extrapolating on the same subject.
> > >
> > 
> > He is running a language form.  The content doesn't matter.  You can riff 
> > in this form endlessly whether you are discussing enlightenment or 
> > someone's dead relative speaking from beyond the grave.  It is related to 
> > carnivals style cold reading language. Like Maharishi, there is not end to 
> > number of hours that can be filled with this form.  Like those programs Web 
> > designers use to fill text boxes that look like text but are actually 
> > randomly generated word like gibberish.  It is easier when you are 
> > discussing abstract topics than when giving someone a psychic reading but 
> > the formula is similar. 
> > 
> > Me with spooky deep eyes:
> > The transversing planets within the universe of our own Self (reflected in 
> > the microcosmic self as personality rays) display the dynamics of tension 
> > arising from the opposing forces of the creative process within the cosmic 
> > core or the "I am" creator whose nature is know to those who have awakened 
> > their inner light as the SUN source of light, energy, and bliss for the 
> > totality of consciousness becoming aware of its own "amness" the unchanging 
> > absolute basis for all that changes and blossoms forth into what we know as 
> > the many levels of creation throughout all time and transcending time into 
> > the timelessness of our own infinite awakened SELF.
> > 
> > Now give me a fiver or get out of the tent.  NEXT!
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation as Millennial Movement (?)

[Buck]

Transcendental Meditation as Millennial Movement (?)

Naw, perfect perfectionism.
re TM perfectionist thread:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/212802

 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > millennial movements (The End of the World: as we know it), 
> > > 
> > > "one of the students asked me if the 2012 Mayan calendar prophecies are 
> > > taken seriously by some of the folks in FF.   Apparently, a friend of his 
> > > new age mom lives in FF or has some sort of connections there (he was 
> > > vague) and has heard that people have taken up the 2012 hysteria.  While 
> > > it would surprise me if NOBODY in FF took the Mayan stuff seriously, I 
> > > wouldn't expect widespread enthusiasm for it."  (?)
> > >
> > 
> > From side e-mail:
> > 
> > <: ...although i would not have used the term, as the promised 
> > >transformation was
> > never associated specifically w/ millennial timeframes, broadly it
> > definitely fits as that is what we have been taught for many >yearseven
> > up to maharishi's last 'transmissions'!   he taked about how >his 'work was
> > done' and that the descent of heaven on earth was assured.  it was >not a
> > matter of "if"   nor was it far offbut in our life times.  >better 
> > hurry!
> > and heck.  HOE sounds good to mebring it on!  =:-)
> >
> 
> fra e-mail: >paste<
> about millennialism, although I'd heard Maharishi talk about the Age of 
> Enlightenment and Creating Heaven on Earth for decades, I'd never really 
> considered the millennial aspects of the Movement. <>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'

[Joe]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> > > > The swami tells Sieveking that the Maharashi, from 
> > > > a trader caste, was merely Dev's bookkeeper and has 
> > > > no right to give mantras or teach meditation.
> > > >
> So, the Swaroopanand seems to believe in the Hindu caste
> system. That, in itself, is enough to disqualify him from
> teaching a spiritual path. 
> 
> From what I've read, the Swami Swaroopanand got a summons 
> for stealing items from the Jyotirmath Ashram and was forced 
> to return the stolen items. This was mentioned in the Times
> of India.
> 
> Go figure.
> 
> Apparently, Guru Dev never accepted money, so what need 
> would he have for a 'bookkeeper'? Sounds to me like the
> Swaroopanand should maybe resign his seat, or keep his big 
> pie-hole shut!
> 
> Bhairitu: 
> > I'm surprised that David Lynch has stayed with TM this 
> > long.  If he thinks Hollywood has "too many rules" then 
> > maybe he ought to look at the TM movement. One would think 
> > he would wake up to the scam.  I'm sure many film cohorts 
> > have mentioned other meditation courses far less expensive 
> > and not scams.
> >
> So, I wonder how many years you spent 'scamming' the public? 
> 
> The other Barry says fourteen years, Curtis says twelve, Edg
> says twenty-five and John Manning claims he scammed over
> 5,000 people out of their money. What's up with that?
>
Tex, do you really imagine yourself to be clever? I suppose you do since you 
post about every five minutes here, always with the same old routine.
BTW, I didn't find your name on the list of TM Teachers in good standing in 
Fairfield. 
What's up with that?

Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim

[Buck]

A different lurker asking, off-list:
"Who's this Rory Goff customer?"

Answer:Om,Rory has his experience and is legit himself that way.  Like a lot of 
folks in FF now.  But, by
Blurting out what his spiritual experience actually is he drives the 
TM-quitters and the non-meditator writers on FFL especially crazy.  Is an old 
history on FFL that way.
Rory is very much a part of the Fairfield meditator community.  And looks in on 
FFL
occasionally.

JGD,
-Buck in FF





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> > Damn, you're good! I think there's gonna be a Curtisian Mystery School in 
> > our future!
> 
> Thanks Alex but if I'm gunna work the Carny Circuit I want to be a Weight 
> Guesser.  They get paid to ogle and I think I am already pretty good at that! 
> 
> 
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > Me with spooky deep eyes:
> > > The transversing planets within the universe of our own Self
> > > (reflected in the microcosmic self as personality rays) display
> > > the dynamics of tension arising from the opposing forces of the
> > > creative process within the cosmic core or the "I am" creator
> > > whose nature is know to those who have awakened their inner light
> > > as the SUN source of light, energy, and bliss for the totality of
> > > consciousness becoming aware of its own "amness" the unchanging
> > > absolute basis for all that changes and blossoms forth into what
> > > we know as the many levels of creation throughout all time and
> > > transcending time into the timelessness of our own infinite
> > > awakened SELF.
> > > 
> > > Now give me a fiver or get out of the tent.  NEXT!
> > 
> > Damn, you're good! I think there's gonna be a Curtisian Mystery School in 
> > our future!
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'

[shukra69]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> off_world_beings wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >  , Bhairitu  wrote:
> >   
> >> Vaj wrote:
> >> 
> >>> On Feb 17, 2010, at 5:40 AM, Premanand wrote:
> >>>
> >>>   
>  Has anyone seen a preview of this movie by David Sieveking yet?
>  It was shown last weekend, and reviewed in Variety:-
>  http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117942181.html?categoryid=31&cs=1
>  
> > 
> >   
>  I notice Judith Bourque is listed as appearing, I wonder what she
>  
> > had
> >   
>  to say?
>  
> >>> I wonder if it will air in FF or Skelm? Looks like it may be a tad
> >>>   
> > too
> >   
> >>> honest for the TM crowd, claiming to out Mahesh's avaricious ways,
> >>>   
> > his
> >   
> >>> multiple affairs and he's even blasted by the Good Shank of the
> >>>   
> > North
> >   
> >>> (and fellow Guru Dev ghost worshipper). Hopefully they'll have boxes
> >>> of tissues and a cadre of exit counsellors waiting in the wings.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Back in Germany, Sieveking signs up for TM lessons. On the first
> >>>   
> > day,
> >   
> >>> he's required to bring some unusual items -- plus a check for
> >>>   
> > E2,380.
> >   
> >>> While covering the Maharashi's funeral in India and a subsequent
> >>> convening of his successors (the "Maharajah" and "Rajas") in the
> >>> Netherlands, Sieveking witnesses a battle for power within the TM
> >>> empire. He also spotlights some of the organization's questionable
> >>> plans for world peace (for which they raise millions of dollars)
> >>> including the fascist-sounding Invincible German and Bramasthan,
> >>>   
> > where
> >   
> >>> 10,000 pandits are supposed to be chanting 24/7.
> >>>
> >>> However, it's when he begins talking to renegade former TMers who
> >>> spill the beans about the Maharashi's multiple affairs and the way
> >>>   
> > he
> >   
> >>> bled followers for cash (e.g., raja training is available for $1
> >>> million), that emails start to fly and lawsuits are threatened.
> >>>
> >>> Pic's best moments include visits to the much-vaunted Bramasthan,
> >>> which turns out to be a ghost town, and to Swami Swaroopanand,
> >>> successor to Guru Dev, in a village near Tibet. The swami tells
> >>> Sieveking that the Maharashi, from a trader caste, was merely Dev's
> >>> bookkeeper and has no right to give mantras or teach meditation.
> >>> Besides, he notes, "Gurus don't sell their knowledge, they share
> >>>   
> > it."
> >   
> >> I'm surprised that David Lynch has stayed with TM this long.  If he
> >> thinks Hollywood has "too many rules" then maybe he ought to look at
> >> 
> > the
> >   
> >> TM movement.   One would think he would wake up to the scam>>
> >> 
> >
> > It appears he got enlightened through TM. He admires Maharishi and TM so
> > much, and is very blissful about it.
> >
> > OffWorld
> 
> I doubt that.  I just think he thinks TM is a neat thing and hasn't look 
> much further than his nose.
you don't have spiritual knowledge so you couldn't understand someone who does.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 80% Americans Oppose SCOTUS Campaign Finance Decision

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
>
>
> ABC News - Obama raised eyebrows at his State of the Union address
last month by criticizing the high court's ruling throwing out limits on
corporate spending in political campaigns.
>
> Turns out he's got company: Our latest ABC News/Washington Post poll
> finds that 80 percent of Americans likewise oppose the ruling,
including
> 65 percent who "strongly" oppose it, an unusually high intensity of
> sentiment.
>
> http://snipurl.com/ueeko
>


This is awesome.

OffWorld