[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Death

2010-05-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69"  wrote:
>
> yes some people have reported getting a lot of information 
> from Maharishi after he dropped the body. they are not 
> talking about it publicly.

Well if so I for one would go on record and say 
that his pronouncements while dead would be just 
as valuable and just as true as they were while 
he was alive. Anyone going to the Grand Opening 
of Vedaland next week, now that Sat Yuga is 
finally here? Anyone flying there under their
own power?

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/xjy/1221615911/sizes/o/
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm considering the construction of the trumpet to communicate with the 
> > > dead; but opted for a "spirit camera".  I've succeeded in capturing a 
> > > photo of a genuine fairy:
> > > http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g236/cherbear_ib/Fairy-2.jpg
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thx...the experience is subject to various interpretations such as:
> > > > 
> > > > 1. The subtle entity speaking is not "really" Guru Dev but rather a 
> > > > type of holographic ghost saying "there are no such subtle entities and 
> > > > everything is simply unbounded Awareness".
> > > > ...
> > > > 2. otoh, the entity is "really" representative of a subtle body of Guru 
> > > > Dev and is speaking just as a physically embodied person might speak to 
> > > > another.  This interpretation is consistent with the Sant Mat teachings.
> > > > If #2 is true, then we might expect MMY to speak from the higher planes 
> > > > to us peons here on the physical, during  various types of visions. 
> > > > Still waiting,.waiting.
> > > > ...
> > > > To solve the conundrum, I recommend the construction of a giant trumpet 
> > > > (as was used by the trumpet mediums of the 19-th century).
> > > > The trumpets supposedly magnify the messages of the dead, converting 
> > > > them into audible sounds that physically embodied people can hear.
> > > > Just imagine hearing:  "I am the Mahareeshee,.; and you are to 
> > > > continue donating tons of $$ to my family forever and ever; or 
> > > > suffer in Hell".
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > OK,...an interesting intersection with the teachings of Sant Mat, 
> > > > > > > for example Kirpal Singh.  He urges people to "die daily", and 
> > > > > > > "rise above bodily consciousness", i.e. the physical body.  Then 
> > > > > > > to transcend while the subtle body is beyond the physical.
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > But beyond that, the Paths diverge since the official TM 
> > > > > > > teachings are that there's no more relative existence for the 
> > > > > > > Enlightened, after death.
> > > > > > > In Sant Mat otoh, the emphasis is on eternal "Soul awareness" - 
> > > > > > > the Soul being the subtle bodies or simply the Soul.  There's no 
> > > > > > > provision for extinction of the Soul in Sant Mat.Some say it 
> > > > > > > lives forever.
> > > > > > > I can't believe that people are duped by the Nihilistic teachings 
> > > > > > > of MMY: that we spend countless eons attempting to get 
> > > > > > > Enlightened, only to have it all dissolve when the goal is 
> > > > > > > attained.  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So you best not transcend -- its such a drag -- it all dissolves 
> > > > > > when the goal is obtained. Worse yet, UC/BC everything dissolves 
> > > > > > even while engaged. Total engrossment in the physical is much 
> > > > > > better. (particularly if she's blonde, some might say)
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I asked Maharishi at TTC [Estes Park, CO] if when we reach UC are we 
> > > > > then like Krishna. He answered very quickly saying, "No, that would 
> > > > > require a series of incarnations into bodies finer than the gross 
> > > > > physical." He then quickly changed the subject and said nothing 
> > > > > further about it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > To further make the point that dropping the body in 'enlightenment' 
> > > > > doesn't mean that one completely dissolves, here's a story that 
> > > > > Brahmachari Satyanand told of his experience after the death of Guru 
> > > > > Dev:
> > > > > 
> > > > > --Brahmachari 'Swami' Satyanand speaking c1967 about Guru Dev's 
> > > > > 'nirvana'--
> > > > > 
> > > > > 'When in 1953 Guru Dev left this mortal frame and attained nirvana I 
> > > > > was at Benares, another place of pilgrimage for Hindus, and at that 
> > > > > moment I was staying in the ashram of Guru Dev. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Everybody knew that I am very attached to Guru Dev and devoted to 
> > > > > Guru D

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Death

2010-05-09 Thread shukra69
http://www.garoiashram.org/english/oracle.html
among the Shunya Vaishnavas they are getting information all the time from 
Achyutanandadas through a kind of copper oracle called "Tamrapotri" so its not 
that different
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69"  wrote:
> >
> > yes some people have reported getting a lot of information
> > from Maharishi after he dropped the body. they are not
> > talking about it publicly.
> 
> This cracks me up. If he *were* floating around out
> there somewhere, it would be just like him. Let's
> hope he's communicating with the right people.
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Death

2010-05-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69"  wrote:
>
> yes some people have reported getting a lot of information
> from Maharishi after he dropped the body. they are not
> talking about it publicly.

This cracks me up. If he *were* floating around out
there somewhere, it would be just like him. Let's
hope he's communicating with the right people.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Death

2010-05-09 Thread shukra69
yes some people have reported getting a lot of information from Maharishi after 
he dropped the body. they are not talking about it publicly.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/xjy/1221615911/sizes/o/
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> >
> > I'm considering the construction of the trumpet to communicate with the 
> > dead; but opted for a "spirit camera".  I've succeeded in capturing a photo 
> > of a genuine fairy:
> > http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g236/cherbear_ib/Fairy-2.jpg
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Thx...the experience is subject to various interpretations such as:
> > > 
> > > 1. The subtle entity speaking is not "really" Guru Dev but rather a type 
> > > of holographic ghost saying "there are no such subtle entities and 
> > > everything is simply unbounded Awareness".
> > > ...
> > > 2. otoh, the entity is "really" representative of a subtle body of Guru 
> > > Dev and is speaking just as a physically embodied person might speak to 
> > > another.  This interpretation is consistent with the Sant Mat teachings.
> > > If #2 is true, then we might expect MMY to speak from the higher planes 
> > > to us peons here on the physical, during  various types of visions. Still 
> > > waiting,.waiting.
> > > ...
> > > To solve the conundrum, I recommend the construction of a giant trumpet 
> > > (as was used by the trumpet mediums of the 19-th century).
> > > The trumpets supposedly magnify the messages of the dead, converting them 
> > > into audible sounds that physically embodied people can hear.
> > > Just imagine hearing:  "I am the Mahareeshee,.; and you are to 
> > > continue donating tons of $$ to my family forever and ever; or suffer 
> > > in Hell".
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OK,...an interesting intersection with the teachings of Sant Mat, 
> > > > > > for example Kirpal Singh.  He urges people to "die daily", and 
> > > > > > "rise above bodily consciousness", i.e. the physical body.  Then to 
> > > > > > transcend while the subtle body is beyond the physical.
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > But beyond that, the Paths diverge since the official TM teachings 
> > > > > > are that there's no more relative existence for the Enlightened, 
> > > > > > after death.
> > > > > > In Sant Mat otoh, the emphasis is on eternal "Soul awareness" - the 
> > > > > > Soul being the subtle bodies or simply the Soul.  There's no 
> > > > > > provision for extinction of the Soul in Sant Mat.Some say it lives 
> > > > > > forever.
> > > > > > I can't believe that people are duped by the Nihilistic teachings 
> > > > > > of MMY: that we spend countless eons attempting to get Enlightened, 
> > > > > > only to have it all dissolve when the goal is attained.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > So you best not transcend -- its such a drag -- it all dissolves when 
> > > > > the goal is obtained. Worse yet, UC/BC everything dissolves even 
> > > > > while engaged. Total engrossment in the physical is much better. 
> > > > > (particularly if she's blonde, some might say)
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I asked Maharishi at TTC [Estes Park, CO] if when we reach UC are we 
> > > > then like Krishna. He answered very quickly saying, "No, that would 
> > > > require a series of incarnations into bodies finer than the gross 
> > > > physical." He then quickly changed the subject and said nothing further 
> > > > about it.
> > > > 
> > > > To further make the point that dropping the body in 'enlightenment' 
> > > > doesn't mean that one completely dissolves, here's a story that 
> > > > Brahmachari Satyanand told of his experience after the death of Guru 
> > > > Dev:
> > > > 
> > > > --Brahmachari 'Swami' Satyanand speaking c1967 about Guru Dev's 
> > > > 'nirvana'--
> > > > 
> > > > 'When in 1953 Guru Dev left this mortal frame and attained nirvana I 
> > > > was at Benares, another place of pilgrimage for Hindus, and at that 
> > > > moment I was staying in the ashram of Guru Dev. 
> > > > 
> > > > Everybody knew that I am very attached to Guru Dev and devoted to Guru 
> > > > Dev, and then news came to Benares that Guru Dev has attained nirvana. 
> > > > I was sitting somewhere with a group of my friends and the news was 
> > > > relayed there. 
> > > > 
> > > > When my friends heard that Guru Dev was no more they were very anxious 
> > > > about me and when they conveyed that news, they were rather alert to 
> > > > appraise whatever reaction is and what happened, I simply, when I heard 
> > > > that news I became very sad, very sorry and I just kept my head on the 
> > > > table before me. And all of them were very anxiou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Is God Smiting the Deep South?

2010-05-09 Thread do.rflex


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> No, I just rote the sines :-)
> 


Yes, I see...  :-)



> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: do.rflex 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, May 9, 2010 3:42:24 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Is God Smiting the Deep South?
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
> >
> > Actually the reason is, so many damned yankees moving to the South to find 
> > jobs!
> > 
> 
> Are you a teabagger, Mike?
> 
> >  _ _ __
> > From: do.rflex 
> > To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Sun, May 9, 2010 10:06:57 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Why Is God Smiting the Deep South?
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > Why Is God Smiting the Deep South?
> > 
> > Jon Ponder | May 3, 2010
> > 
> > 
> >        When cataclysmic disasters strike, it usually 
> > doesn't take long for TV prophets like Pat Robertson, John Hagee and the 
> > late, unlamented Jerry Falwell to pronounce them portentous signs of God's 
> > wrath. Equally predictable: God's punishments are always closely aligned 
> > with the prophets' right-wing political views. 
> > It's notable then that with the biggest-ever oil slick bearing down on Gulf 
> > Coast beaches and a spate of deadly tornadoes and floods across the South 
> > over the past few weeks, interpreters of divine vengeance have been eerily 
> > quiet. 
> > Their silence is atypical. For example, within about 48 hours after 9/11, 
> > Robertson and Falwell were on the air expressing what appeared to be inside 
> > knowledge about who was really to blame for the terror attacks:
> > JERRY FALWELL: [What] we saw on Tuesday [Sept. 11, 2001], as terrible as it 
> > is, could be minuscule if, in fact â€" if, in fact â€" God continues 
> > to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably 
> > what we deserve.
> > >PAT ROBERTSON: Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the 
> > >antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to 
> > >the major population.
> > >FALWELL: The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this.
> > >ROBERTSON: Well, yes.
> > >FALWELL: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God 
> > >out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God 
> > >out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to 
> > >bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we 
> > >destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really 
> > >believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the 
> > >gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative 
> > >lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way â€" all of them who 
> > >have tried to secularize Americaâ€"I point the finger in their face and 
> > >say "you helped this happen."
> > After Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, Hagee declared that God killed 
> > 1,800 people and destroyed the region in order to prevent an annual gay 
> > event in New Orleans:
> > HAGEE: In the case of New Orleans, their plan to have that homosexual rally 
> > was sin. But it never happened. The rally never happened.
> > >[Right-wing talk show host DENNIS PRAGER]: No, I understand.
> > >HAGEE: It was scheduled that Monday.
> > >PRAGER: No, I'm only trying to understand that in the case of New Orleans, 
> > >you do feel that God's hand was in it because of a sinful city?
> > >HAGEE: That it was a city that was planning a sinful conduct, yes.
> > God's plan worked perfectly, of course. The event was postponed.
> > About a month after Katrina struck, Franklin Graham, the son of Billy 
> > Graham, blamed the victim:
> > "This is one wicked city, okay? It's known for Mardi Gras, for Satan 
> > worship. It's known for sex perversion. It's known for every type of drugs 
> > and alcohol and the orgies and all of these things that go on down there in 
> > New Orleans … There's been a black spiritual cloud over New Orleans 
> > for years. They believe God is going to use that storm to bring revival."
> > If you doubt that the divine hand of providence is at work today in the 
> > oil-spill disaster, you need look no further than the fact that mighty 
> > winds are blowing the oil, not southward toward communist Cuba and Hugo 
> > Chavez' Venezuela, but north toward the shores of the most hidebound 
> > conservative Christian enclaves on the planet this side of Vatican City. 
> > Meanwhile, on April 24, as the oil spill disaster was building offshore, a 
> > series of tornadoes carved a swath of death and destruction right through 
> > the heart of the Bible Belt:
> > A supercell thunderstorm produced F-4 and F-3 rated tornadoes that killed 
> > at least 12 people and sent many more to area hospitals. Yazoo City [Miss.] 
> > and Holmes County [Miss.] were among the hardest-hit areas, with a F-4 
> > tor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Of spiritual indiscipline:

2010-05-09 Thread Buck


>
> "We might say that all the sins which are due to ignorance can be reduced to 
> sloth, which pertains to the negligence by which a person refuses to acquire 
> spiritual goods because of the attendant labor."
> 
> -Thomas Aquinas
>

Spiritually,

" "Sin" requires a complex definition.  It is not a transgression against an 
arbitrary code of behavior decreed by a whimsical God.  The Creator made human 
a spiritual being, a soul endowed with an individualization of His own divine 
nature.  He gave to the soul, evolved from its own Self, the instruments of a 
body and a mind with which to perceive and interact with the objects of a 
maya-manifested universe.  

If man lives in perfect harmony with the machinations of these principles, he 
remains a spiritual being in charge of his body and mind.  Sin is that which 
compromises that perfect self-mastery.  It has its automatic negative effect to 
the degree of the influence of delusion with in it -involving no condemnation 
of an irate God.  Man's free-will actions simply harmonize and strengthen the 
expressed essence of his soul perfection or weaken and degrade it into mortal 
enslavement."

-Discourse 27
Yogananda's
The Second Coming of Christ
The Resurrection of Christ Within You

Yes, is a good consideration about that degradation into mnortal enslavement.  
As a conservative and old meditator by experience,  i see there is a lot of 
practical spiritual truth in these summation.  Is fair warning as it is 
instruction.

-Buck in Fairfield 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Is God Smiting the Deep South?

2010-05-09 Thread Mike Dixon
No, I just rote the sines :-)





From: do.rflex 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, May 9, 2010 3:42:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Is God Smiting the Deep South?

  


--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Actually the reason is, so many damned yankees moving to the South to find 
> jobs!
> 

Are you a teabagger, Mike?

>  _ _ __
> From: do.rflex 
> To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Sun, May 9, 2010 10:06:57 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Why Is God Smiting the Deep South?
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Why Is God Smiting the Deep South?
> 
> Jon Ponder | May 3, 2010
> 
> 
>        When cataclysmic disasters strike, it usually doesn't take long 
> for TV prophets like Pat Robertson, John Hagee and the late, unlamented Jerry 
> Falwell to pronounce them portentous signs of God's wrath. Equally 
> predictable: God's punishments are always closely aligned with the prophets' 
> right-wing political views. 
> It's notable then that with the biggest-ever oil slick bearing down on Gulf 
> Coast beaches and a spate of deadly tornadoes and floods across the South 
> over the past few weeks, interpreters of divine vengeance have been eerily 
> quiet. 
> Their silence is atypical. For example, within about 48 hours after 9/11, 
> Robertson and Falwell were on the air expressing what appeared to be inside 
> knowledge about who was really to blame for the terror attacks:
> JERRY FALWELL: [What] we saw on Tuesday [Sept. 11, 2001], as terrible as it 
> is, could be minuscule if, in fact â€" if, in fact â€" God continues to lift 
> the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we 
> deserve.
> >PAT ROBERTSON: Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the 
> >antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the 
> >major population.
> >FALWELL: The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this.
> >ROBERTSON: Well, yes.
> >FALWELL: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God 
> >out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out 
> >of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear 
> >some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 
> >million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the 
> >pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the 
> >lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the 
> >ACLU, People For the American Way â€" all of them who have tried to 
> >secularize Americaâ€"I point the finger in their face and say "you helped 
> >this happen."
> After Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, Hagee declared that God killed 
> 1,800 people and destroyed the region in order to prevent an annual gay event 
> in New Orleans:
> HAGEE: In the case of New Orleans, their plan to have that homosexual rally 
> was sin. But it never happened. The rally never happened.
> >[Right-wing talk show host DENNIS PRAGER]: No, I understand.
> >HAGEE: It was scheduled that Monday.
> >PRAGER: No, I'm only trying to understand that in the case of New Orleans, 
> >you do feel that God's hand was in it because of a sinful city?
> >HAGEE: That it was a city that was planning a sinful conduct, yes.
> God's plan worked perfectly, of course. The event was postponed.
> About a month after Katrina struck, Franklin Graham, the son of Billy Graham, 
> blamed the victim:
> "This is one wicked city, okay? It's known for Mardi Gras, for Satan worship. 
> It's known for sex perversion. It's known for every type of drugs and alcohol 
> and the orgies and all of these things that go on down there in New Orleans 
> … There's been a black spiritual cloud over New Orleans for years. They 
> believe God is going to use that storm to bring revival."
> If you doubt that the divine hand of providence is at work today in the 
> oil-spill disaster, you need look no further than the fact that mighty winds 
> are blowing the oil, not southward toward communist Cuba and Hugo Chavez' 
> Venezuela, but north toward the shores of the most hidebound conservative 
> Christian enclaves on the planet this side of Vatican City. 
> Meanwhile, on April 24, as the oil spill disaster was building offshore, a 
> series of tornadoes carved a swath of death and destruction right through the 
> heart of the Bible Belt:
> A supercell thunderstorm produced F-4 and F-3 rated tornadoes that killed at 
> least 12 people and sent many more to area hospitals. Yazoo City [Miss.] and 
> Holmes County [Miss.] were among the hardest-hit areas, with a F-4 tornado 
> bringing maximum winds of about 170 miles per hour.
> >[Gov. Haley Barbour, R- Miss.] has already activated the National Guard and 
> >declared a state of emergency in 17 counties. He says the devastation in his 
> >state is reminiscent of Hurricane Katrina. The killer tornado … pulled up 
> >trees by 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Is God Smiting the Deep South?

2010-05-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Actually the reason is, so many damned yankees moving
> > > > to the South to find jobs!
> > > 
> > > Are you a teabagger, Mike?
> > 
> > Are you a brainless nitwit, do.rk?
> 
> Are you a hopeless, sadistic nitpicking nag, authors.fiend?

I guess the answer to my question is "Yes."





[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Is God Smiting the Deep South?

2010-05-09 Thread do.rflex


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually the reason is, so many damned yankees moving
> > > to the South to find jobs!
> > 
> > Are you a teabagger, Mike?
> 
> Are you a brainless nitwit, do.rk?
>


Are you a hopeless, sadistic nitpicking nag, authors.fiend?



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Message from Francis Thicke - future Iowa Secretary of Agriculture

2010-05-09 Thread It's just a ride
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 4:24 PM, It's just a ride <
bill.hicks.all.a.r...@gmail.com> wrote:

Got an email that the AMEX card I used to make my contribution had been
compromised.  First there was a $1 contribution to a Muslim society then it
was off to the races until AMEX put a hold on the card pending getting in
touch with me.  Now I'm going to have to notify all the companies which make
automatic charges against it.  Bummer.

-- 
The psychic fair has been canceled due to unforeseen circumstances.


[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Is God Smiting the Deep South?

2010-05-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
> >
> > Actually the reason is, so many damned yankees moving
> > to the South to find jobs!
> 
> Are you a teabagger, Mike?

Are you a brainless nitwit, do.rk?




[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Is God Smiting the Deep South?

2010-05-09 Thread do.rflex


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Actually the reason is, so many damned yankees moving to the South to find 
> jobs!
> 



Are you a teabagger, Mike?



 
> 
> From: do.rflex 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, May 9, 2010 10:06:57 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Why Is God Smiting the Deep South?
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Why Is God Smiting the Deep South?
> 
> Jon Ponder | May 3, 2010
> 
> 
>        When cataclysmic disasters strike, it usually doesn't take long 
> for TV prophets like Pat Robertson, John Hagee and the late, unlamented Jerry 
> Falwell to pronounce them portentous signs of God's wrath. Equally 
> predictable: God's punishments are always closely aligned with the prophets' 
> right-wing political views. 
> It's notable then that with the biggest-ever oil slick bearing down on Gulf 
> Coast beaches and a spate of deadly tornadoes and floods across the South 
> over the past few weeks, interpreters of divine vengeance have been eerily 
> quiet. 
> Their silence is atypical. For example, within about 48 hours after 9/11, 
> Robertson and Falwell were on the air expressing what appeared to be inside 
> knowledge about who was really to blame for the terror attacks:
> JERRY FALWELL: [What] we saw on Tuesday [Sept. 11, 2001], as terrible as it 
> is, could be minuscule if, in fact â€" if, in fact â€" God continues to lift 
> the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we 
> deserve.
> >PAT ROBERTSON: Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the 
> >antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the 
> >major population.
> >FALWELL: The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this.
> >ROBERTSON: Well, yes.
> >FALWELL: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God 
> >out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out 
> >of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear 
> >some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 
> >million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the 
> >pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the 
> >lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the 
> >ACLU, People For the American Way â€" all of them who have tried to 
> >secularize Americaâ€"I point the finger in their face and say "you helped 
> >this happen."
> After Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, Hagee declared that God killed 
> 1,800 people and destroyed the region in order to prevent an annual gay event 
> in New Orleans:
> HAGEE: In the case of New Orleans, their plan to have that homosexual rally 
> was sin. But it never happened. The rally never happened.
> >[Right-wing talk show host DENNIS PRAGER]: No, I understand.
> >HAGEE: It was scheduled that Monday.
> >PRAGER: No, I'm only trying to understand that in the case of New Orleans, 
> >you do feel that God's hand was in it because of a sinful city?
> >HAGEE: That it was a city that was planning a sinful conduct, yes.
> God's plan worked perfectly, of course. The event was postponed.
> About a month after Katrina struck, Franklin Graham, the son of Billy Graham, 
> blamed the victim:
> "This is one wicked city, okay? It's known for Mardi Gras, for Satan worship. 
> It's known for sex perversion. It's known for every type of drugs and alcohol 
> and the orgies and all of these things that go on down there in New Orleans 
> … There's been a black spiritual cloud over New Orleans for years. They 
> believe God is going to use that storm to bring revival."
> If you doubt that the divine hand of providence is at work today in the 
> oil-spill disaster, you need look no further than the fact that mighty winds 
> are blowing the oil, not southward toward communist Cuba and Hugo Chavez' 
> Venezuela, but north toward the shores of the most hidebound conservative 
> Christian enclaves on the planet this side of Vatican City. 
> Meanwhile, on April 24, as the oil spill disaster was building offshore, a 
> series of tornadoes carved a swath of death and destruction right through the 
> heart of the Bible Belt:
> A supercell thunderstorm produced F-4 and F-3 rated tornadoes that killed at 
> least 12 people and sent many more to area hospitals. Yazoo City [Miss.] and 
> Holmes County [Miss.] were among the hardest-hit areas, with a F-4 tornado 
> bringing maximum winds of about 170 miles per hour.
> >[Gov. Haley Barbour, R- Miss.] has already activated the National Guard and 
> >declared a state of emergency in 17 counties. He says the devastation in his 
> >state is reminiscent of Hurricane Katrina. The killer tornado … pulled up 
> >trees by the roots and destroyed businesses and homes.
> In Yazoo City, the twister even destroyed a Baptist Church:
> Dale Thrasher, 60, had been alone in Hillcrest Baptist Church when the 
> tornado hit Saturday, ripping away w

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why Is God Smiting the Deep South?

2010-05-09 Thread Mike Dixon
Actually the reason is, so many damned yankees moving to the South to find jobs!





From: do.rflex 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, May 9, 2010 10:06:57 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Why Is God Smiting the Deep South?

  


Why Is God Smiting the Deep South?

Jon Ponder | May 3, 2010


   When cataclysmic disasters strike, it usually doesn't take long for TV 
prophets like Pat Robertson, John Hagee and the late, unlamented Jerry Falwell 
to pronounce them portentous signs of God's wrath. Equally predictable: God's 
punishments are always closely aligned with the prophets' right-wing political 
views. 
It's notable then that with the biggest-ever oil slick bearing down on Gulf 
Coast beaches and a spate of deadly tornadoes and floods across the South over 
the past few weeks, interpreters of divine vengeance have been eerily quiet. 
Their silence is atypical. For example, within about 48 hours after 9/11, 
Robertson and Falwell were on the air expressing what appeared to be inside 
knowledge about who was really to blame for the terror attacks:
JERRY FALWELL: [What] we saw on Tuesday [Sept. 11, 2001], as terrible as it is, 
could be minuscule if, in fact — if, in fact — God continues to lift the 
curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.
>PAT ROBERTSON: Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the 
>antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the 
>major population.
>FALWELL: The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this.
>ROBERTSON: Well, yes.
>FALWELL: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out 
>successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of 
>the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some 
>burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million 
>little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and 
>the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are 
>actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For 
>the American Way — all of them who have tried to secularize America–I point 
>the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."
After Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, Hagee declared that God killed 
1,800 people and destroyed the region in order to prevent an annual gay event 
in New Orleans:
HAGEE: In the case of New Orleans, their plan to have that homosexual rally was 
sin. But it never happened. The rally never happened.
>[Right-wing talk show host DENNIS PRAGER]: No, I understand.
>HAGEE: It was scheduled that Monday.
>PRAGER: No, I'm only trying to understand that in the case of New Orleans, you 
>do feel that God's hand was in it because of a sinful city?
>HAGEE: That it was a city that was planning a sinful conduct, yes.
God's plan worked perfectly, of course. The event was postponed.
About a month after Katrina struck, Franklin Graham, the son of Billy Graham, 
blamed the victim:
"This is one wicked city, okay? It's known for Mardi Gras, for Satan worship. 
It's known for sex perversion. It's known for every type of drugs and alcohol 
and the orgies and all of these things that go on down there in New Orleans … 
There's been a black spiritual cloud over New Orleans for years. They believe 
God is going to use that storm to bring revival."
If you doubt that the divine hand of providence is at work today in the 
oil-spill disaster, you need look no further than the fact that mighty winds 
are blowing the oil, not southward toward communist Cuba and Hugo Chavez' 
Venezuela, but north toward the shores of the most hidebound conservative 
Christian enclaves on the planet this side of Vatican City. 
Meanwhile, on April 24, as the oil spill disaster was building offshore, a 
series of tornadoes carved a swath of death and destruction right through the 
heart of the Bible Belt:
A supercell thunderstorm produced F-4 and F-3 rated tornadoes that killed at 
least 12 people and sent many more to area hospitals. Yazoo City [Miss.] and 
Holmes County [Miss.] were among the hardest-hit areas, with a F-4 tornado 
bringing maximum winds of about 170 miles per hour.
>[Gov. Haley Barbour, R- Miss.] has already activated the National Guard and 
>declared a state of emergency in 17 counties. He says the devastation in his 
>state is reminiscent of Hurricane Katrina. The killer tornado … pulled up 
>trees by the roots and destroyed businesses and homes.
In Yazoo City, the twister even destroyed a Baptist Church:
Dale Thrasher, 60, had been alone in Hillcrest Baptist Church when the tornado 
hit Saturday, ripping away wood and metal until all that was left was rubble, 
Thrasher and the table he had climbed under as he prayed for protection.
>"The whole building caved in," he said. "But me and that table were still 
>there."
And just today we learned that storms struck in northern Mississippi and 
Tenn

[FairfieldLife] Re: A wake-up call for Facebook users

2010-05-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:

> So many of us had geek social networking and things like
> Facebook are for everyone else or as Apple would say "the
> rest of us."

There was even non-geek social networking back in the
mid-'80s.

I was one of the early telecommuters, copy editing for
a small medical journal publishing company in NYC whose
owner was a big geek and had computerized the entire
company (maybe 30 people in the office) using an AMOS
system.

I had been freelancing for them for awhile on hardcopy
that the owner's wife delivered to my apartment building
on her way to work downtown, then picked up on her way
home in the evening. Once the office computer system was
set up, they gave me a two-floppy computer (no hard disk)
and a 1200-baud modem. I'd log into the system and
download the material, copy edit it on my system, and
send it back.

The IT guy who set me up gave me some very rudimentary
instruction in DOS, but he also showed me how to dial
in to local bulletin boards, and I got hooked on them
real fast. It was just magical, having conversations in
glowing green letters on a black screen late at night.
Many of the participants were geeks, but some were like
me. I met a guy online who became a steady boyfriend.

I used to capture everything to floppies; somewhere in
storage I've got boxes and boxes of them, incunabula of
social networking. They're probably unreadable now even
on an old system with a 5-1/4 drive.

The bulletin boards were run from a computer in the
sysop's home using a system called PCBoard. There were
also Unix-based BBSs, many of which were on a network.
Eventually the PC Board systems also developed networks.
The networks then got themselves hooked up to Usenet.
My first access to Usenet was from my local BBS via a
PCBoard network based in Cambridge, back in 1995.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Robert Rodriguez's new film Machete

2010-05-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Rodriguez's new film "Machete" due in September is causing some 
> controversy.  It star Danny Trejo, Pierce Brosnan, Robert DeNiro, 
> Michele Rodriguez, Jessica Alba, Cheech Marin to name a few.  The 
> trailer is here:
> http://www.aintitcool.com/node/44943

Wow. Still fighting a release deadline, I replied earlier
without having seen the actual trailer. Much better than
the one in "Grindhouse." I'm thinkin' that Rodriguez may 
have a bigger hit on his hands with this one than with 
"Desperado" or "Sin City." Even the rednecks who hate
Mexicans will have to see it because it's just so gnarly.






[FairfieldLife] Why Is God Smiting the Deep South?

2010-05-09 Thread do.rflex

Why Is God Smiting the Deep South?
Jon Ponder   | May 3, 2010
  [photo-tepra-bagging-for-jesus]


When cataclysmic disasters strike, it usually doesn't take
long for TV prophets like Pat Robertson, John Hagee and the late,
unlamented Jerry Falwell to pronounce them portentous signs of God's
wrath. Equally predictable: God's punishments are always closely
aligned with the prophets' right-wing political views.

It's notable then that with the biggest-ever oil slick bearing down
on Gulf Coast beaches and a spate of deadly tornadoes and floods across
the South over the past few weeks, interpreters of divine vengeance have
been eerily quiet.



Their silence is atypical. For example, within about 48 hours after
9/11, Robertson and Falwell were on the air expressing
  what appeared to be inside knowledge about who was really to
blame for the terror attacks:

JERRY FALWELL: [What] we saw on Tuesday [Sept. 11, 2001], as terrible as
it is, could be minuscule if, in fact — if, in fact — God
continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give
us probably what we deserve.

PAT ROBERTSON: Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen
the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they
can do to the major population.

FALWELL: The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this.

ROBERTSON: Well, yes.

FALWELL: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But,
throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system,
throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The
abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not
be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we
make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists,
and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying
to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American
Way — all of them who have tried to secularize America–I point
the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."

After Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, Hagee declared
  that God
killed 1,800 people and destroyed the region in order to prevent an
annual gay event in New Orleans:

HAGEE: In the case of New Orleans, their plan to have that homosexual
rally was sin. But it never happened. The rally never happened.

[Right-wing talk show host DENNIS PRAGER]: No, I understand.

HAGEE: It was scheduled that Monday.

PRAGER: No, I'm only trying to understand that in the case of New
Orleans, you do feel that God's hand was in it because of a sinful
city?

HAGEE: That it was a city that was planning a sinful conduct, yes.

God's plan worked perfectly, of course. The event was postponed.

About a month after Katrina struck, Franklin Graham, the son of Billy
Graham, blamed the victim  :

"This is one wicked city, okay? It's known for Mardi Gras, for
Satan worship. It's known for sex perversion. It's known for
every type of drugs and alcohol and the orgies and all of these things
that go on down there in New Orleans … There's been a black
spiritual cloud over New Orleans for years. They believe God is going to
use that storm to bring revival."

If you doubt that the divine hand of providence is at work today in the
oil-spill disaster, you need look no further than the fact that mighty
winds are blowing the oil, not southward toward communist Cuba and Hugo
Chavez' Venezuela, but north toward the shores of the most hidebound
conservative Christian enclaves on the planet this side of Vatican City.

Meanwhile, on April 24, as the oil spill disaster was  building
offshore, a series of tornadoes
  carved a
swath of death and destruction right through the heart of the Bible
Belt:

A supercell thunderstorm produced F-4 and F-3 rated tornadoes that
killed at least 12 people and sent many more to area hospitals. Yazoo
City [Miss.] and Holmes County [Miss.] were among the hardest-hit areas,
with a F-4 tornado bringing maximum winds of about 170 miles per hour.

[Gov. Haley Barbour, R- Miss.] has already activated the National Guard
and declared a state of emergency in 17 counties. He says the
devastation in his state is reminiscent of Hurricane Katrina. The killer
tornado … pulled up trees by the roots and destroyed businesses and
homes.

In Yazoo City, the twister even destroyed
 
a Baptist Church:

Dale Thrasher, 60, had been alone in Hillcrest Baptist Church when the
tornado hit Saturday, ripping away wood and metal until all that was
left was rubble, Thrasher and the table he had climbed under as he
prayed for protection.

"The whole building caved in," he said. "But me and that
table were still ther

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robert Rodriguez's new film Machete

2010-05-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Rodriguez's new film "Machete" due in September is causing some 
> controversy.  It star Danny Trejo, Pierce Brosnan, Robert DeNiro, 
> Michele Rodriguez, Jessica Alba, Cheech Marin to name a few.  The 
> trailer is here:
> http://www.aintitcool.com/node/44943

Can't wait. The "preview" for the then-not-even-conceived-
of-as-a-real-film was by far the best thing in "Grindhouse."




[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Death

2010-05-09 Thread Duveyoung
http://www.flickr.com/photos/xjy/1221615911/sizes/o/

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> I'm considering the construction of the trumpet to communicate with the dead; 
> but opted for a "spirit camera".  I've succeeded in capturing a photo of a 
> genuine fairy:
> http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g236/cherbear_ib/Fairy-2.jpg
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> >
> > Thx...the experience is subject to various interpretations such as:
> > 
> > 1. The subtle entity speaking is not "really" Guru Dev but rather a type of 
> > holographic ghost saying "there are no such subtle entities and everything 
> > is simply unbounded Awareness".
> > ...
> > 2. otoh, the entity is "really" representative of a subtle body of Guru Dev 
> > and is speaking just as a physically embodied person might speak to 
> > another.  This interpretation is consistent with the Sant Mat teachings.
> > If #2 is true, then we might expect MMY to speak from the higher planes to 
> > us peons here on the physical, during  various types of visions. Still 
> > waiting,.waiting.
> > ...
> > To solve the conundrum, I recommend the construction of a giant trumpet (as 
> > was used by the trumpet mediums of the 19-th century).
> > The trumpets supposedly magnify the messages of the dead, converting them 
> > into audible sounds that physically embodied people can hear.
> > Just imagine hearing:  "I am the Mahareeshee,.; and you are to continue 
> > donating tons of $$ to my family forever and ever; or suffer in 
> > Hell".
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > OK,...an interesting intersection with the teachings of Sant Mat, for 
> > > > > example Kirpal Singh.  He urges people to "die daily", and "rise 
> > > > > above bodily consciousness", i.e. the physical body.  Then to 
> > > > > transcend while the subtle body is beyond the physical.
> > > > > ...
> > > > > But beyond that, the Paths diverge since the official TM teachings 
> > > > > are that there's no more relative existence for the Enlightened, 
> > > > > after death.
> > > > > In Sant Mat otoh, the emphasis is on eternal "Soul awareness" - the 
> > > > > Soul being the subtle bodies or simply the Soul.  There's no 
> > > > > provision for extinction of the Soul in Sant Mat.Some say it lives 
> > > > > forever.
> > > > > I can't believe that people are duped by the Nihilistic teachings of 
> > > > > MMY: that we spend countless eons attempting to get Enlightened, only 
> > > > > to have it all dissolve when the goal is attained.  
> > > > 
> > > > So you best not transcend -- its such a drag -- it all dissolves when 
> > > > the goal is obtained. Worse yet, UC/BC everything dissolves even while 
> > > > engaged. Total engrossment in the physical is much better. 
> > > > (particularly if she's blonde, some might say)
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I asked Maharishi at TTC [Estes Park, CO] if when we reach UC are we then 
> > > like Krishna. He answered very quickly saying, "No, that would require a 
> > > series of incarnations into bodies finer than the gross physical." He 
> > > then quickly changed the subject and said nothing further about it.
> > > 
> > > To further make the point that dropping the body in 'enlightenment' 
> > > doesn't mean that one completely dissolves, here's a story that 
> > > Brahmachari Satyanand told of his experience after the death of Guru Dev:
> > > 
> > > --Brahmachari 'Swami' Satyanand speaking c1967 about Guru Dev's 
> > > 'nirvana'--
> > > 
> > > 'When in 1953 Guru Dev left this mortal frame and attained nirvana I was 
> > > at Benares, another place of pilgrimage for Hindus, and at that moment I 
> > > was staying in the ashram of Guru Dev. 
> > > 
> > > Everybody knew that I am very attached to Guru Dev and devoted to Guru 
> > > Dev, and then news came to Benares that Guru Dev has attained nirvana. I 
> > > was sitting somewhere with a group of my friends and the news was relayed 
> > > there. 
> > > 
> > > When my friends heard that Guru Dev was no more they were very anxious 
> > > about me and when they conveyed that news, they were rather alert to 
> > > appraise whatever reaction is and what happened, I simply, when I heard 
> > > that news I became very sad, very sorry and I just kept my head on the 
> > > table before me. And all of them were very anxious what will become of 
> > > me. 
> > > 
> > > But soon after, while I was very morose, sorrow, sad, entire world was 
> > > empty for me and I did not understand what to do without Guru Dev, just a 
> > > half a minute or two seconds after, a flash came and it appeared to me 
> > > that Guru Dev was scolding me;
> > > 
> > > "What a fool you are! You have been with me for all 
> > > these many month

[FairfieldLife] "Road Movie" -- no dancing around trees

2010-05-09 Thread Bhairitu
I watched this film last night on Vudu as part of their Tribeca Festival 
series.  This is not your typical Indian movie. There's no dancing 
around trees and there is kissing and a love making scene.  It is a tale 
about a young guy who drives an old movie theater truck across the 
desert for a friend and his adventures a long the way.  The truck is 
outfitted with two movie projectors, portable screen, sound system and 
come classic movies.  I gave it five stars.  Bet it is in the running 
for awards next winter too.
http://www.roadmoviethefilm.com/





[FairfieldLife] Robert Rodriguez's new film Machete

2010-05-09 Thread Bhairitu
Rodriguez's new film "Machete" due in September is causing some 
controversy.  It star Danny Trejo, Pierce Brosnan, Robert DeNiro, 
Michele Rodriguez, Jessica Alba, Cheech Marin to name a few.  The 
trailer is here:
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/44943





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A wake-up call for Facebook users

2010-05-09 Thread Bhairitu
WillyTex wrote:
>>> I avoided the "Facebook" fad. I'm 
>>> surprised you didn't. 
>>>
>>>   
> TurquoiseB:
>   
>> Facebook is "social networking." 
>> Websites are not, not in the same 
>> way.
>>
>> 
> News forums like Usenet and Yahoo Groups
> are 'social networking' - you've been 
> 'networking' since what, 1995? 
>
>
>   

1984 here or when I started using places like CompuServe since back then 
most people outside of work did not have access to Usenet.  I did have a 
friend who would almost weekly hand me a floppy of messages threads from 
some of the developer groups on Usenet.  I think American People Link 
was the first online service I was on that added Usenet access.  I 
remember reading one post around 1990 from a guy who was excited about 
having implemented a version of MINIX on a PC.  MINIX was a UNIX like OS 
that was example code for a book on operating systems that many of us 
read or referenced back then.  The guy who was posted was Linus Torvald.

Also at that time one Amiga developer I know posted a download of a 
hypertext program which was of course an early "browser" but there 
wasn't much to "browse" back then. ;-)

So many of us had geek social networking and things like Facebook are 
for everyone else or as Apple would say "the rest of us."



[FairfieldLife] Harvard Prof, financial Ragnarok is just a few weeks away now

2010-05-09 Thread shukra69


http://www.business.dk/boersnyt/harvard-professor-ragnarok-paa-vej



[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1

2010-05-09 Thread WillyTex


> > We have discussed this on Usenet and FFL, but you
> > have failed to defend your own 'anthill' delusion
> > that TM requires effort. 
> >
Vaj:
> It's not my assertion, it's a basic foundational 
> tenet of Indian philosophy...
>
You are incorrect. You are unable to rise above
your 'anthill' perspective. You are biased in your 
opinion, therefore I cannot accept any of your 
speculations - you are just not credible, Vaj.

According to the first historical yogin in India, 
'striving' is counter-productive on the path to 
release from suffering, as attested by the Buddha, 
Shakyamuni himself. 

It was only AFTER the Buddha ceased his own 
striving, that he was able to attain Nirvana. 

This is common knowledge for anyone who has 
practiced Soto Zen meditation or Tibetan Dzogchen.

Your citation of the Vidyaranya, a Hindu Swami,
who apparently was unfamiliar with the life of the
Buddha, does not seem to prove your point.

Accoding to Sogyal Rinpoche:

"So take care not to impose anything on the mind 
or to tax it. When you meditate there should be 
no effort to control and no attempt to be 
peaceful. Don't be overly solemn or feel that 
you are taking part in some special ritual; let 
go even of the idea that you are meditating. 
Let your body remain as it is, and your breath 
as you find it."

Work cited: 

"The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying"
By Sogyal Rinpoche
HarperSanFrancisco, 2002 

> Buddha Shakymuni:
>
> "I crossed over the flood without pushing forward,
> without staying in place."
>
> "But how, dear sir, did you cross over the flood
> without pushing forward, without staying in place?"
>
> "When I pushed forward, I was whirled about. When I
> stayed in place, I sank. And so I crossed over the
> flood without pushing forward, without staying in
> place."
>
> SN 1.1 PTS: S i 1 CDB i 89
> Ogha-tarana Sutta: Crossing over the Flood




[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1

2010-05-09 Thread WillyTex


> > OK! Please, just don't claim anymore, that 
> > Patanjali *himself* was against practising 
> > the siddhis...
> >
Vaj:
> I can only tell you what I was instructed, 
> mouth to ear, in the Patanjali trad. If you 
> want to make up something else, go for it.
>
It has not been established that you even had
a Patanjali guru. You don't even seem to
understand the rudiments of Siddha Yoga, as
I pointed out above. 

Swami Rama was able to understand Patanjali's 
Yoga. Apparently, Swami Rama never had a 
Patanjali Guru either. From what I've read, 
Swami Rama wanted to be able to practice the 
siddhis, but he was unable to do so. 

Read more:

'Swami'
Doug Boyd
Random House, 1974

"Living With the Himalyan Masters'
Swami Rama
Himalayan Institute Press, 1978

'Walking With a Himalayan Master'
Justin O'Brian 
Yes international, 2006



[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1

2010-05-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > 
> > > One merely has to look at TM "sidhas" and their obsession
> > > with yogic hopping to see these dynamics of delusion at play,
> > > locking the believers into it's trap.
> > 
> > Well, some of them. Others are focused on the development
> > of consciousness resulting from the practice of the
> > TM-Sidhis program as a whole, as well as the benefits of
> > that development in daily life.
> > 
> > The fact that flying isn't happening has ensured that most
> > TM-Sidhis practitioners *aren't* (or aren't any longer)
> > obsessed with the possibility of flying and have settled
> > in for the long haul without being locked into any traps.
> 
> Not trying to start a fight or anything,

Of course not! How could anybody suspect you of such a thing?

 merely
> making a funny, but what part of people "settling
> in for the long haul" after finding out that 
> "flying" was a lie

Well, we didn't "find out it was a lie," of course.

> strikes you as *not* a trap?  :-)

I guess if you consider enjoying development of
consciousness and its benefits in daily life (see
my first paragraph--you apparently didn't read it
in your haste to "make a funny") to be a trap, then
it *would* be a trap.

As I believe someone here has said, "Argue for your
limitations, and sure enough, they're yours."
:-)  :-)  :-)  :-)




[FairfieldLife] Re: A wake-up call for Facebook users

2010-05-09 Thread WillyTex
> > I avoided the "Facebook" fad. I'm 
> > surprised you didn't. 
> >
TurquoiseB:
> Facebook is "social networking." 
> Websites are not, not in the same 
> way.
> 
News forums like Usenet and Yahoo Groups
are 'social networking' - you've been 
'networking' since what, 1995? 



[FairfieldLife] Re: A wake-up call for Facebook users

2010-05-09 Thread WillyTex
So, you don't want anyone to see your face.

authfriend:
>
> Betty White on Facebook (her SNL opening monologue last
> night):
> 
> http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/betty-white-monologue/1226076/
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/258x99f
> 
> "People say, 'But Betty, Facebook is a great way to connect
> with old friends.' Well, at my age, if I want to connect
> with old friends, I need a Ouija board."
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1

2010-05-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> 
> > One merely has to look at TM "sidhas" and their obsession
> > with yogic hopping to see these dynamics of delusion at play,
> > locking the believers into it's trap.
> 
> Well, some of them. Others are focused on the development
> of consciousness resulting from the practice of the
> TM-Sidhis program as a whole, as well as the benefits of
> that development in daily life.
> 
> The fact that flying isn't happening has ensured that most
> TM-Sidhis practitioners *aren't* (or aren't any longer)
> obsessed with the possibility of flying and have settled
> in for the long haul without being locked into any traps.

Not trying to start a fight or anything, merely
making a funny, but what part of people "settling
in for the long haul" after finding out that 
"flying" was a lie strikes you as *not* a trap?  :-)





[FairfieldLife] Re: A wake-up call for Facebook users

2010-05-09 Thread authfriend
Betty White on Facebook (her SNL opening monologue last
night):

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/betty-white-monologue/1226076/

http://tinyurl.com/258x99f

"People say, 'But Betty, Facebook is a great way to connect
with old friends.' Well, at my age, if I want to connect
with old friends, I need a Ouija board."




[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Death

2010-05-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> > 2. otoh, the entity is "really" representative of a subtle body 
> > of Guru Dev and is speaking just as a physically embodied person 
> > might speak to another.  This interpretation is consistent with 
> > the Sant Mat teachings.
> 
> In which case Maharishi's whole "the drop returns to the
> ocean" with no more individuality is a crock of shit.

Or perhaps it's that we haven't quite understood what
he meant and are overinterpreting it. Given MMY's
comments about the puja in his Gita commentary, this
seems a more likely possibility.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1

2010-05-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:

> One merely has to look at TM "sidhas" and their obsession
> with yogic hopping to see these dynamics of delusion at play,
> locking the believers into it's trap.

Well, some of them. Others are focused on the development
of consciousness resulting from the practice of the
TM-Sidhis program as a whole, as well as the benefits of
that development in daily life.

The fact that flying isn't happening has ensured that most
TM-Sidhis practitioners *aren't* (or aren't any longer)
obsessed with the possibility of flying and have settled
in for the long haul without being locked into any traps.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1

2010-05-09 Thread Vaj

On May 9, 2010, at 3:35 AM, cardemaister wrote:

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On May 8, 2010, at 4:50 PM, cardemaister wrote:
> > 
> > > OK! Please, just don't claim anymore, that Patanjali *himself* was
> > > against practising the siddhis, unless you can prove that the
> > > pronoun 'te' in 'te samaadhaav upasargaa...' refers to all the
> > > siddhis, not just those mentioned in the previous suutra!
> > > (Vyaasa: 'te *praatibhaadayaH*...')
> > 
> > 
> > I can only tell you what I was instructed, mouth to ear, in the Patanjali 
> > trad. If you want to make up something else, go for it.
> >
> 
> So, you appreciate "those guys" more than commentators like e.g.
> Vyaasa (te praatibhaadayaH...*) and Bhojadeva (te praakpratipaaditaaH...**)?

My teacher taught based on oral tradition and the 24 most reputable 
commentaries on the YS. So no, it wasn't just limited to Vyasa. Patanjali is an 
oral and experiential tradition. Without a teacher you'll never understand it, 
as it cannot be learned from books or from linear reading.

> 
> * Can only refer to some "list" where 'praatibha' is first.
> 
> ** Can only refer to the suutras *before* III 36 (or whatever it's
> in various editions), not for instance the YF suutra. Most probably
> refers only to the suutra "previously mentioned", even though 
> 'praak-pratipaaditaaH' is in in plural (praatibha: intuition;
> shraavana: hearing; vedana: touch; aadarsha: sight; aasvaada: taste;
> vaartaa: smell)
> 
> prAJc , f. {prA3cI} turned forwards, being in front, facing; turned 
> eastwards, easterly; previous, former; m. pl. the eastern (people or 
> grammarians). Acc. w. {kR} bring, offer, promote, further; w. {kalpay} turn 
> one's front towards. n. ***{prA3k} ({prAG}) in front, before (w. abl. of pl. 
> & t.); eastward, in the east of (abl.); formerly, previously, first, at 
> first, from now***. Instr. {prAcA3} forwards; abl. {prAca3s} from the front. 
> f. {prA3cI} ({ñdiz}) the east.
> 
> [Vaj, I really wish you knew Sanskrit better than you seem
> to. Same might apply to your Patanjali gurus... ;)]

My Patanjali guru was a pundit of Sanskrit and knew over a dozen other 
languages.

Your confusion on this verse is because you don't know which verses it's 
pointing to in the first and second pada and the principles of delusion implied 
from Samkhya, the kleshas, etc. "Te", "these", refers to the 8 kinds of 
darkness, the 8 kinds of stupidity, the 8 kinds of Big stupidity, etc. Really 
these forms of delusion and stupidity aren't limited to such lists, but are 
actually infinite, like the ways of awakening. But since yogic siddhis lock one 
into fascination and obsession at the level of the waking state, it locks you 
out of the interiority required for mastery of samadhi and the atman. That why 
it's said siddhis increase the samskaras of outwardness, the mind scars of the 
outward-stroke. One merely has to look at TM "sidhas" and their obsession with 
yogic hopping to see these dynamics of delusion at play, locking the believers 
into it's trap. But they stick around and buy product, take recertification 
courses, etc. so it has the effect that Mahesh desired: cash flow.

Have you seen "David Wants to Fly" yet?





[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1

2010-05-09 Thread cardemaister


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> 
> trikaalajnaanaakazagamanadiSu should rather be
> trikaalajnaanaakaazagamanaadiSu (tri-kaala-jnaana[jñaana]-
> aakaasha-gamana-aadiSu).
>

BTW, that's teh way to refer to all the siddhis in vibhuuti-
paada: take as an example the *first one* (III 16: atiitaanaagata-
jñaanam aka tri-kaala-jñaanam) and a rather "dramatic" one, YF!



[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1

2010-05-09 Thread cardemaister


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> 5. atha paJcamaM vidvasaMnyaasaprakaraNam
> 
> 5.1 yoginaaM parahaMsaanaaM margaH
> 
> 5.1.4 kevalayoginaM kevalaM paramahaMsaM ca vaarayituM padadvayam uktam
> kevalayogii tattvajnaanaabhavena trikaalajnaanaakazagamanadiSu 
> yogaizvaryacamatkaaravyavahaareSv aasaktaH saMyamaviZeSais tatra 
> tatrodyuktas, tataH paramapuruSaarthaad bhraSTo bhavati.
> 

Well, gots to admit that's way better transliteration than
most Roman ones by "bharata-people" on, say, the PaaNini-group! :D
Right away, I could only catch two (2) mistakes:

trikaalajnaanaakazagamanadiSu should rather be
trikaalajnaanaakaazagamanaadiSu (tri-kaala-jnaana[jñaana]-
aakaasha-gamana-aadiSu). 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit for vajranaathas: 'aadi' in the meaning 'etc', part 1

2010-05-09 Thread cardemaister


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On May 8, 2010, at 4:50 PM, cardemaister wrote:
> 
> > OK! Please, just don't claim anymore, that Patanjali *himself* was
> > against practising the siddhis, unless you can prove that the
> > pronoun 'te' in 'te samaadhaav upasargaa...' refers to all the
> > siddhis, not just those mentioned in the previous suutra!
> > (Vyaasa: 'te *praatibhaadayaH*...')
> 
> 
> I can only tell you what I was instructed, mouth to ear, in the Patanjali 
> trad. If you want to make up something else, go for it.
>

So, you appreciate "those guys" more than commentators like e.g.
Vyaasa (te praatibhaadayaH...*) and Bhojadeva (te praakpratipaaditaaH...**)?

* Can only refer to some "list" where 'praatibha' is first.

** Can only refer to the suutras *before* III 36 (or whatever it's
in various editions), not for instance the YF suutra. Most probably
refers only to the suutra "previously mentioned", even though 
'praak-pratipaaditaaH' is in in plural (praatibha: intuition;
shraavana: hearing; vedana: touch; aadarsha: sight; aasvaada: taste;
vaartaa: smell)

 prAJc  , f. {prA3cI} turned forwards, being in front, facing; turned 
eastwards, easterly; previous, former; m. pl. the eastern (people or 
grammarians). Acc. w. {kR} bring, offer, promote, further; w. {kalpay} turn 
one's front towards. n. ***{prA3k} ({prAG}) in front, before (w. abl. of pl. & 
t.); eastward, in the east of (abl.); formerly, previously, first, at first, 
from now***. Instr. {prAcA3} forwards; abl. {prAca3s} from the front. f. 
{prA3cI} ({ñdiz}) the east.

[Vaj, I really wish you knew Sanskrit better than you seem
to. Same might apply to your Patanjali gurus... ;)]