[FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

[punditster]

Share Long :
>  I'll have to drive 2 hours west to Des Moines... the one and only
Whole
> Foods in Iowa. Yes, go figure!
>
Good work Share! According to Judy, Whole Foods is called Whole Paycheck
in  her neck of the woods, but the only Whole Foods is at least 2 hours
away
from her too. So, I figure Judy has been to Whole Foods what, one time
in
her whole life? Go figure.

But, from what I've read, Judy and I agree on a lot of things about
eating
right. We are both fans of Francis Moore Lappe's 'Diet for a Small
Planet'.

Read more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Moore_Lapp

  



> After viewing the interview with Kelly MacLean, all I can say is
'NAMESTE'.
>
> LoL!
>
> http://tinyurl.com/o64nd7b 
>

[FairfieldLife] Yahoo isn't the only one who uses its users as beta testers

[turquoiseb]

Facebook obviously did the same thing:

http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/18/4744904/how-facebook-secretly-redesign\
ed-its-iphone-app-with-your-help
 

Interestingly, however, it was a more challenging task for them to do so
than Yahoo faced. A Web app like Yahoo Groups lives on the server, and
all you have to do to change it for users is update the code on the
server side; all clients will then see the new changes. If you want to
roll out "test versions" of a new look like Neo, you can just choose to
deploy this from *some* of your servers, but not all of them. That gives
you a demographic test audience, in that you'll be able to sort the
positive and negative feedback you get from users geographically to
watch only the people who auto-connect to that particular server, and
thus get the "test release." This actually explains how I'm still seeing
the old interface in France, whereas many if not most people in the US
are now seeing Neo. On the rare occasions when I *do* get Neo, it's
obviously an old, early, and *very* buggy version; what I see does not
even have Reply or New Topic buttons. It's "read only."

Facebook had a harder challenge, because the code that drives the
interface is local and native (as opposed to HTML5), and lives on the
client device. So to test various configurations of their "new look,"
they had to roll out a stealth version that they could configure
remotely to create isolated "test audiences" and then measure their
feedback. Clever. Diabolically clever, but clever.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming

[turquoiseb]

Lawson used 'science' like a sledgehammer again:
>
> Lucid dreamign is generally associated with higher gamma 
> EEG during REM sleep.
> 
> Witnessing sleep is associated with higher alpha during 
> sleep, and witnessing dreaming is thought to be associated 
> with higher alpha power during dreaming.
> 
> In theory, one can have witnessing lucid dreaming also. 

Of course, *no one* knows what "higher alpha" or 
"higher gamma" actually MEAN. The people conducting 
the experiments project their own beliefs *onto* 
these waves, in most cases trying to make them 
conform to and substantiate their already-
present theories. Just as you did above by
assuming that "higher gamma" was somehow "better"
than "higher alpha," so of course, TM rules.  :-)

That said, lucid dreaming, at which I used to be
fairly proficient, is very different than the stuff
TMers call "witnessing sleep" or "witnessing dream-
ing." I would not expect TMers to become very good
at lucid dreaming, because doing so involves the use 
of will and intent. Many of them would not do well 
with that, because they've been subconsciously 
convinced by TM dogma for so long that any kind of 
intention or effort is "bad" or "off the program." 

Lucid dreaming per se is *not* just waking up in 
the dream and realizing that you're dreaming. It's
*taking control* of the dream, and being able to
shape it and morph it however you want. If you don't
like the dreamscape you're currently in, Zap! you
just exert your will and move to another one. If
you don't like the dreampeople or dreamcreatures
you're hangin' with, Zap! you just leave them behind
as easily as walking out of a boring cocktail party
and into the more interesting one across the hall.
YOU run a fully lucid dream; the dream doesn't.

It can be a lot of fun, especially when you're 
practicing this stuff along with other people who
are also proficient at it. You can arrange to get
together in the dream plane, and do so. We used to
have regular meetings in the dream plane, and then 
sit down together afterwards and compare notes. More 
often than not we would all report the same settings 
or dreamscapes, and relate the exact same events or 
conversations that we experienced while dreaming.

It was fun, but after a while I grew bored with it
and stopped trying to intend lucid dreaming. If it
happens (and it still does, from time to time) and
I wake up in the dream, I can still control it, and
sometimes do, just for fun. But it's no longer a 
regular practice for me. 

As for its possible practical uses, the main one I've
heard of is in the variant of lucid dreaming known
as Tibetan dream yoga. Adepts of that practice feel
that being able to control one's dreams is a valuable
skill because it can then be used in the Bardo between
death and rebirth. They see the Bardo as analogous to
the dream plane, and subject to the same exercises
in will and intent. If your goal is to move towards
the Clear Light and thus (in their belief system)
effect a higher rebirth, then the ability to avoid
distractions and focus on the Clear Light is useful.

As for the notion of paying attention to any "spirit
guides" or anyone/anything you meet in dreaming, I have
two words for you: DUMB IDEA. All *sorts* of critters
live on the dream plane, and some of them are as good
at morphing their appearance and hiding their real
intent from you as the best human lucid dreamers. HOW
do you know you can trust them?

Let me put it this way. If you're comfortable with 
going to some urban city you've never been in before,
like say, the Bronx or tough parts of Detroit, and
then walking up to the first person you meet at random,
listening to their advice, and then following it as
if you'd found some kind of guru, by all means do
the same thing in the dream plane. A fool and his
body are soon parted. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

By the way, lucid dreaming is NOT the same as conscious awareness during the 
deep sleep state (yoga nidra?) which even I used to experience occasionally on 
rounding courses - an odd sensation that, yes, you'd been in dreamless sleep 
but you were sure you'd maintained awareness throughout. Never happened to me 
again after I settled for my 20 minutes twice a day.

[FairfieldLife] Good old levitation trick!

[cardemaister]

[FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming

[doctordumbass]

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming

[LEnglish5]

[FairfieldLife] RE: Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming

[s3raphita]

[FairfieldLife] Spirit Guided Lucid Dreaming

[s3raphita]

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[Steve Sundur]

Well, you tend to be open about your experiences if asked about them.  I guess 
whatever I said sent up a flag in his mind.  As I recall, my name was just 
never called for the groups that were being sent out. I eventually asked why 
and got some vague answer.  I had a moment of panic, "what the hell am I am 
going to do now".  My folks sent some money by Western Union, which I picked up 
somewhere in NYC and I was on my way home.  
 
That was the time, (as I've told here before), when a nice lady saw me milling 
around the Western Union office, and offered me a place to stay that night.  My 
folks had authorized the payment and then went out to dinner and so were not 
available to confirm the transaction until what turned out to be the next 
morning, so I was stranded at the Western Union office until this lady took me 
in.
 
I slept on a big chair and the apartment was quite cluttered, and she had a big 
dog.  I sort of sneaked out the next morning.
 
Bless her heart.
 


 From: Michael Jackson 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
   
 
That was the guy! He was the one in charge of our course at Livingston Manor - 
Reed Martin, that was him. So wonder how he justified flagging you if you had 
an experience that M said was a good experience in the tape?

 


 From: Steve Sundur 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
Oh yea.  I've told this story here.  I was one who was targeted as being 
unstable by one Reed Martin during a course in Livingston Manor.  Was prevented 
from going to Zambia because of it.  We had just watched a tape of Maharishi 
describing what was considered to be a good experience.  In an interview for 
people going overseas I related an experience I had which was along these 
lines.  
 
I was flagged, and really had no place other to go than home.  Looking back, 
that was sort of the beginning of the end for me.  I still finished up my 
schooling a MIU for another year or so, but I think that moment might have been 
when I started to separate some.
 


 From: Michael Jackson 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
Like I said, I was never on any of those courses - always heard things about 
courses like Majorca but no specifics were ever talked about, at least not from 
the people I heard - it was third hand rumors - I think Rick and Mark Landau 
are the first people I ever talked to who were on that course.

 


 From: Steve Sundur 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
Just a little correction.  I think the course Mitch was on must of had YF.  
That wasn't on the radar on my course.  As far as unstressing goes.  Hell, it 
was the more the better.  I mean my attitude was "bring it on".  I remember 
thinking to myself if I would rather have unstressing manifest itself in a 
physical, or a mental fashion.  And I seemed to get plenty of both.  And this 
may surprise you, but I really never saw evidence of people really going off 
the deep end - in any of my courses.  Of course, I may have just been blind to 
it.
 


 From: Michael Jackson 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
Well, I wasn't there - but from what I have heard of the heavy unstressing on 
many courses, it doesn't sound like there was an effective means or program in 
place to assist those who were going through stuff. If there was I would like 
to know that and to know what things were put into place to assist people going 
through the unstressing. Such a thing would make me think more highly of the 
Movement than I do now.

 


 From: Steve Sundur 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
Hey Mikey.  How you livin'.  Listen, I was on the six month course.  The first 
one actually, where the experimentation was rampant.  Enemas, diet control, (or 
at least many theories to consider).  Rick was on that course too.  I guess for 
Mitch, it wasn't his cup of tea, so he left.  I think he may have been on a 
later course.  Or at least I don't remember him on my course.
 
But I thoroughly enjoyed it, and felt I gained much from it.  I think what Jim 
is saying, (and really, I just skimmed it), is that if there is such thing as a 
spiritual path, and you choose to be on it, that as you move along that path, 
and you will have to clear away any wreckage.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Mitchell Kapor

[s3raphita]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[Michael Jackson]

what was infamous about Wally "Courvoisier"?




 From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
 


  
Pretty much snowed there eight months out of the year. Saw the Northern Lights 
several times. It had just turned into a men's facility, when I arrived in 
early 1978, with the "ladies" moved to South Fallsburg. 

The toilets were always broken, and there were rats that could kick your ass, 
in the kitchen. And several huge raccoons near the dumpsters. I was on staff in 
the kitchen, until I cut my finger pretty badly trying to catch a rack of 
glasses that slipped off the dishwashing conveyor. Worked for the A of E Press, 
running the Stahl T-66 folder, folding and cutting the Age of Enlightenment 
magazine, then driving the completed palettes of pages to a place in Rochester, 
NY, to get stapled, trimmed, labeled, and mailed. Drove a box truck into NYC a 
few times on Movement business - The Bowery, and The Bronx. A slight contrast 
to the quiet of the Manor. 

Rick Archer was one of the governing troika, while I was at El Manor, along 
with Tim somebody, and the infamous Wally "Courvoisier". I was twenty four 
years old and had a good time - good staff camaraderie. Five dollars a week 
spending money - woo-hoo. It was rustic enough that none of "the management" 
could get too intense about anything. The whole place was ready to literally 
cave in, anyway, and Maharishi wouldn't visit. 

There were a couple of Cadillac limos in the garage, waiting for him, though, 
should he ever show. I did manage to cage driving duty, in one, to take some 
big wig to La Guardia, where we were meeting some minor dignitary from the 
Bimini Islands or somewhere, who had decided to start TM. The limo handled 
really well - enough power, and heavy as a tank, so no sliding on corners.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Ahhh, Livingston Manor - I did my first sidhis bloc there, Messrs Big Bopper 
Bevan and John Cowhig were officiating as TM Sidhi Administrators. 

Bevan was not fat then, in fact looked like a surfer, narrow waist, broad 
shoulders. It was January, cold as hell, they had just had a major snow and ice 
storm that knocked out their electricity, destroyed one of their well pumps, 
lots of the pipes in the place froze, staff had to put 50 gallon drums of water 
in the halls and we each had plastic buckets to dip into the drums to haul 
water to flush our toilets. 

Food was quite good as I recall - they even had a Southern boy on cooking staff 
who one day served up grits for breakfast. All the Yankees had no idea what 
they were or what to do with them. Only complaint I had about it was he used 
white grits instead of yaller
 grits.

The guy who was running the place, I can't remember his name but I saw his 
picture on some TM stuff recently - I think he's a raja or works somehow for 
the Global Country of World Peace. 

Anyway he got really tick off at us - we had to wait for our first sutras for 
longer than we were supposed to due to technical incompetence on Bevan and 
John's part. When we finally got them, they were of course through video/audio 
tape. After one of the girls on the course was bitching about us not actually 
seeing marshy and said so in "public" - in the dining hall and folks heard - so 
we got chewed out big time for not honoring our agreement to not say nothing 
about our instruction.

That was also the place I saw the "Be a Superman, Be a Sidha-man!" poster that 
I would love to have one of now. Good times. 





 From: "doctordumbass@..." 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:23 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
 


  
About three years, total. In rural settings; Livingston Manor, NY and twice 
near Waverly, MO. I enjoyed it for awhile. My last stint, though, was to 
evaluate whether or not I would go on to TTC. Thankfully, I made the right 
choice. 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>
>
>I am sure I have cognitive overload or dissonance or something from all the 
>years I did TM, I missed you working for the Movement - when and where did 
>work for them? And did you enjoy it?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "doctordumbass@..." 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:47 PM
>Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
> 
>
>
>  
>And you too, MJ, are a fine fella.  I never actually saw, or met, Maharishi, 
>and stopped working for his org in 1982. I did watch a LOT of tapes and read 
>his Gita translation several times. Probably went on twenty Residence Courses. 
>Practiced the TMSP from 1980 to 1993-ish. Did TM from 1975, on. Other than 
>that, it has just been plain hard work, discrimination, and focus. My rosy 
>colore

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[Michael Jackson]

That was the guy! He was the one in charge of our course at Livingston Manor - 
Reed Martin, that was him. So wonder how he justified flagging you if you had 
an experience that M said was a good experience in the tape?





 From: Steve Sundur 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
 


  
Oh yea.  I've told this story here.  I was one who was targeted as being 
unstable by one Reed Martin during a course in Livingston Manor.  Was prevented 
from going to Zambia because of it.  We had just watched a tape of Maharishi 
describing what was considered to be a good experience.  In an interview for 
people going overseas I related an experience I had which was along these 
lines.  
 
I was flagged, and really had no place other to go than home.  Looking back, 
that was sort of the beginning of the end for me.  I still finished up my 
schooling a MIU for another year or so, but I think that moment might have been 
when I started to separate some.

From: Michael Jackson 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
 
  
Like I said, I was never on any of those courses - always heard things about 
courses like Majorca but no specifics were ever talked about, at least not from 
the people I heard - it was third hand rumors - I think Rick and Mark Landau 
are the first people I ever talked to who were on that course.


From: Steve Sundur 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
 
  
Just a little correction.  I think the course Mitch was on must of had YF.  
That wasn't on the radar on my course.  As far as unstressing goes.  Hell, it 
was the more the better.  I mean my attitude was "bring it on".  I remember 
thinking to myself if I would rather have unstressing manifest itself in a 
physical, or a mental fashion.  And I seemed to get plenty of both.  And this 
may surprise you, but I really never saw evidence of people really going off 
the deep end - in any of my courses.  Of course, I may have just been blind to 
it.

From: Michael Jackson 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
 
  
Well, I wasn't there - but from what I have heard of the heavy unstressing on 
many courses, it doesn't sound like there was an effective means or program in 
place to assist those who were going through stuff. If there was I would like 
to know that and to know what things were put into place to assist people going 
through the unstressing. Such a thing would make me think more highly of the 
Movement than I do now.


From: Steve Sundur 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
 
  
Hey Mikey.  How you livin'.  Listen, I was on the six month course.  The first 
one actually, where the experimentation was rampant.  Enemas, diet control, (or 
at least many theories to consider).  Rick was on that course too.  I guess for 
Mitch, it wasn't his cup of tea, so he left.  I think he may have been on a 
later course.  Or at least I don't remember him on my course.
 
But I thoroughly enjoyed it, and felt I gained much from it.  I think what Jim 
is saying, (and really, I just skimmed it), is that if there is such thing as a 
spiritual path, and you choose to be on it, that as you move along that path, 
and you will have to clear away any wreckage.  
 
Now probably, many times you may progress a certain amount, and then decide to 
take a break.  And of course, so what if you do.  
 
I don't know what on with Mitch, other than he felt he got all he could from 
the program and then moved on -  either with prejudice or without prejudice.
 
I think that's what Jim is saying.  But at some point, if you decide to take up 
the path again, in a more focused way, then you may well have to engage in some 
heavy lifting again.
 
P.S. My favorite part of that course was the hours of reading the Upanishads.  
More interesting (and enjoyable) than the Rig Veda readings. 
 
P.S.S.  The food was...excellent!!

From: Michael Jackson 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
 
  
Kapor didn't say he was looking for a magic bullet or a panacea, he was just 
wanting what Marshy promised and to see if the sidhis was the real deal, if M 
could really teach anyone to fly. Obviously he couldn't teach anyone to fly, 
and Kapor was not looking to get screwed up from the rounding. I will leave it 
to those who did the six months courses to comment on the experiment comment 
Kapor made. I have heard of heavy unstressing, but not the enemas and Hindu 
food combining rituals, not tha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?

[obbajeeba]

Testing is my middle name until yahoo gets its act together. All the
testing posts I did this evening are still absent in my inbox, including
this early morning post. Testing.
Testing. Testing. Testing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2AP3VMAkpA

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?

[punditster]

> > OMG Testing. This is cracking me up!
> > Where are the computer nerds? ha
> >
Alex:
> Besides, possibly, people's patience, what exactly is it that you're
testing?
>
Glad to hear some nerds online tonight!

So, I am testing my own patience and doing what you already suggested.

Ordered a Win 7 Pro disc, a Samsung SSD, and a Seagate Barracuda HD.
Loading now. Stand by - I may have questions.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck

[Richard J. Williams]

On 9/19/2013 6:30 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Or is it the "main MO" for people, especially on the internet, to lie?
>
So, we are agreed - that's what I was sayin' years ago when this
first came up! Everyone lies, all the time. In normal conversation
individuals have been shown to tell lies about one per minute.

The truth can't be put into words.

> Figure it out and get back to me.
>
So for years, I figured Judy was just lying when she said somebody
was lying, since everyone lies all the time. And then Turq pipes up
claiming that there's no 'truth', so I figure there's no lie, no truth,
and that Judy just doesn't like me or Share. Go figure.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  
wrote:


That was just a quick cursory search of Yahoo FFL.

If I made a longer search on Usenet I could probably find
hundreds of instances since 1995 where you claimed
so-and-so was lying. You know this is true, Judy - why
deny it? I'm not the first person to conclude that this
is your main MO.

Or is it the "main MO" for people, especially on the internet, to lie? 
Figure it out and get back to me.


On 9/19/2013 12:29 PM, authfriend@...  wrote:


Says Richard, proving that he's a liar (again).



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, 
 
 wrote:


Maybe it's time to review the number of liars posting to FFL.

According to Judy, the top posters who posted lies are Buck,
Barry, Curtis, Vaj, Richard, Steve, and Share.

And the minor bottom posters are Sal, salyavin, azgrey,
navashok, PaliGap, Nabby, irentea, and Xeno.

So, we got fifteen liars posting to the discussion group.

Did I miss anyone?

So if true, then it looks like fifteen of the FFL respondents
posted lies in one year and they should apologize to the
group.

If untrue, then Judy is a liar and posted at least fifteen lies,
or more, to the discussion.

If we take a vote, probably at least fifteen respondents would
vote to censure Judy.

Now that's funny!!!

On 9/19/2013 11:18 AM, authfriend@...  wrote:
> It's not a matter of opinion, I'm afraid, that Richard is a
liar and a troll.
>



As to your pandering, we could also call it brown-nosing, sucking up 
to, or fawning over.





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, 
 
 wrote:


Judy, I don't agree with you that Richard is a liar or troll or that 
I pander.




*From:* "authfriend@..."   

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 


*Sent:* Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:58 AM
*Subject:* RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U 
Buck


Actually he's a liar and a troll, whichever of his many handles he's 
using. But you go right ahead and pander to him anyway. Beggars 
can't be choosers.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
,

 wrote:

Willytex, IMHO you are a brave and good soul. PS could it all be
about having lots of handles? (-:



*From:* Richard J. Williams  
*To:* Richard J. Williams 

*Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:36 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U
Buck

So, it's all about Richard. Go figure:

I, Willytex, am truly sorry for ever lying to the discussion group.

 I, Willytex, apologize to MJ for calling him an idiot.

On 9/18/2013 10:17 AM, awoelflebater@...
 wrote:
Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy
might consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to
everybody then Judy might consider apologizing to Share.
When Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might consider
apologizing to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might
extract a higher price.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
,

 wrote:

Judy called five people liars - it's a pattern. Judy should be
taken to task for this offense - Barry, Steve, Richard, Buck
and Share should insist on a retraction and an apology.

So, we can see that half of the regular respondents on this
list have been smeared by Judy for no good reason. It's
time to put a stop to the MGs.

Stand up for your rights!

Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might
consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to
everybody then Judy might consider apologizing to Share. When
Share apologizes to Robin

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?

[j_alexander_stanley]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?

[obbajeeba]

Testing. hahahahaha. Probably the best post Share has ever posted. hahahaha

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> testing 4
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6blsCGdDI4
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: obbajeeba 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:21 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?
>  
> 
> 
>   
> 
> Not what you are thinking. :)
>

[FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?

[obbajeeba]

Bhahahaha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?

[obbajeeba]

OMG Testing. This is cracking me up!  
Where are the computer nerds? ha

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> testing 3
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6blsCGdDI4
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: obbajeeba 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:21 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?
>  
> 
> 
>   
> 
> Not what you are thinking. :)
>

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Giving

[authfriend]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

[Share Long]

Well Richard, I guess if I want to say namaste back at ya I'll have to drive 2 
hours west to Des Moines, with 2 silent esses, location of the one and only 
Whole Foods in Iowa. Yes, go figure!





 From: punditster 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:08 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods
 


  
Share Long :
> thanks, turq, this made me LOL.
> 
After viewing the interview with Kelly MacLean, all I can say is 'NAMESTE'.

LoL!

http://tinyurl.com/o64nd7b 

 
 

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Giving

[doctordumbass]

RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[doctordumbass]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Giving

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Some folks have likened TM to the McDonalds of meditation -
> it's more like the prosperity gospel of spiritual endeavors.

I'm just tired of hearing those who exhibit no compassion or
giving in their lives parroting Maharishi's "find yourself first"
gospel as an excuse for it. They took his words as a cue to
never act in a giving manner until it was "spontaneous" for
them to do so.

Thirty or forty years later, they're still waiting for that burst
of spontaneity to hit them.

> 
>  From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:53 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Giving
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Steve Sundur steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> > I admit, I enjoyed the Thai telecom piece over the
> > "chasing your dream" piece. But I wouldn't really
> > draw any conclusions about it. (-:
>
> I was just having a little fun, but the point is IMO
> a valid one. Haven't you noticed that most of the
> "goals" of TMers are self-serving? To realize *my*
> enlightenment, so that *I* can become more happy
> and successful. Even the "save the world" goals are
> self-serving in that it's *us* who radiate such
> powerful Woo Woo that *we* change the world.
>
> I'm just pointing out that there are strong spiritual
> traditions that don't even *have* the goal of personal
> enlightenment, much less the New Agey "personal success
> and happiness" meme. Their whole emphasis is on giving,
> and on selfless service -- "doing for others."
>
> One of the most extreme contrasts between these two
> approaches to spiritual goals has to do with what the
> different traditions think of as their Ultimate Goal.
> For most Hindus (and Maharishi, as one), the UG is
> for "the drop to merge with the ocean," to become
> the Absolute, lose all individuality, and get off the
> wheel of life, death, rebirth, and karma forever.
>
> Those who follow the left-hand path of Buddhism, on
> the other hand, *don't* seek annihilation; instead they
> seek as an UG rebirth as a boddhisattva, incarnating
> over and over in endless worlds to help other people.
>
> I'm just pointing out that "giving" was never a big
> thing for Maharishi, and thus for many long-term TMers.
> *He* expected to get paid for teaching it, and the TM
> teachers he trained in turn expected to get paid for
> teaching it.
>
> I've been part of other organizations in which *no one*
> gets paid to teach or further the teaching. Everyone
> (including the teachers at the very top) are expected
> to have their own jobs or sources of income, and anyone
> who teaches 1) does so for free, and 2) pays all of the
> expenses related to teaching themselves. Those who do
> so (and I've been one of them) consider this an honor
> and an opportunity to advance spiritually, not an
> imposition.
>
> Perhaps this last paragraph should serve as an answer
> to Buck's question about "where to send people who can't
> afford TM but want to learn to meditate." *He* knows how
> to teach people to meditate, if I remember correctly.
> Couldn't he just do so, for free?
>
> And if someone dares to say, "No, he couldn't, because
> the TM organization that Maharishi founded wouldn't like
> it or wouldn't allow it," doesn't that kinda make my
> point for me?
>
> Maharishi's idea of "giving" was that it was unidirec-
> tional; everyone was expected to give to him. The TMO
> he left behind him continues with that same expectation.
>
> > 
> >  From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 3:40 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Giving
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > This three-minute clip is an ad, for a Thai telecommunications
> > company.
> > > That said, you'll want to watch it, because it contains better
> > > storytelling
> > > in those three minutes (not to mention a more uplifting message)
than
> > > most of the full-length movies produced these days.
> > >
> > >
> >
http://gawker.com/this-three-minute-commercial-puts-full-length-hollywoo\
\
> > d-1309506149 od-1309506149>
> >
> > I couldn't help noticing that the two ego-bots preferred the film
about
> > people doing something nice for themselves to the film about people
> > doing something nice for other people. What do you think *that*
reveals
> > about the long-term effects of the TM program?
> >
> > :-)
> >
>

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Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[Steve Sundur]

Oh yea.  I've told this story here.  I was one who was targeted as being 
unstable by one Reed Martin during a course in Livingston Manor.  Was prevented 
from going to Zambia because of it.  We had just watched a tape of Maharishi 
describing what was considered to be a good experience.  In an interview for 
people going overseas I related an experience I had which was along these 
lines.  
 
I was flagged, and really had no place other to go than home.  Looking back, 
that was sort of the beginning of the end for me.  I still finished up my 
schooling a MIU for another year or so, but I think that moment might have been 
when I started to separate some.
 


 From: Michael Jackson 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
   
 
Like I said, I was never on any of those courses - always heard things about 
courses like Majorca but no specifics were ever talked about, at least not from 
the people I heard - it was third hand rumors - I think Rick and Mark Landau 
are the first people I ever talked to who were on that course.

 


 From: Steve Sundur 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
 
  
Just a little correction.  I think the course Mitch was on must of had YF.  
That wasn't on the radar on my course.  As far as unstressing goes.  Hell, it 
was the more the better.  I mean my attitude was "bring it on".  I remember 
thinking to myself if I would rather have unstressing manifest itself in a 
physical, or a mental fashion.  And I seemed to get plenty of both.  And this 
may surprise you, but I really never saw evidence of people really going off 
the deep end - in any of my courses.  Of course, I may have just been blind to 
it.
 


 From: Michael Jackson 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
Well, I wasn't there - but from what I have heard of the heavy unstressing on 
many courses, it doesn't sound like there was an effective means or program in 
place to assist those who were going through stuff. If there was I would like 
to know that and to know what things were put into place to assist people going 
through the unstressing. Such a thing would make me think more highly of the 
Movement than I do now.

 


 From: Steve Sundur 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
Hey Mikey.  How you livin'.  Listen, I was on the six month course.  The first 
one actually, where the experimentation was rampant.  Enemas, diet control, (or 
at least many theories to consider).  Rick was on that course too.  I guess for 
Mitch, it wasn't his cup of tea, so he left.  I think he may have been on a 
later course.  Or at least I don't remember him on my course.
 
But I thoroughly enjoyed it, and felt I gained much from it.  I think what Jim 
is saying, (and really, I just skimmed it), is that if there is such thing as a 
spiritual path, and you choose to be on it, that as you move along that path, 
and you will have to clear away any wreckage.  
 
Now probably, many times you may progress a certain amount, and then decide to 
take a break.  And of course, so what if you do.  
 
I don't know what on with Mitch, other than he felt he got all he could from 
the program and then moved on -  either with prejudice or without prejudice.
 
I think that's what Jim is saying.  But at some point, if you decide to take up 
the path again, in a more focused way, then you may well have to engage in some 
heavy lifting again.
 
P.S. My favorite part of that course was the hours of reading the Upanishads.  
More interesting (and enjoyable) than the Rig Veda readings. 
 
P.S.S.  The food was...excellent!!
 


 From: Michael Jackson 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
Kapor didn't say he was looking for a magic bullet or a panacea, he was just 
wanting what Marshy promised and to see if the sidhis was the real deal, if M 
could really teach anyone to fly. Obviously he couldn't teach anyone to fly, 
and Kapor was not looking to get screwed up from the rounding. I will leave it 
to those who did the six months courses to comment on the experiment comment 
Kapor made. I have heard of heavy unstressing, but not the enemas and Hindu 
food combining rituals, not that early in the Movement history anyway. I have a 
hell of a lot more admiration and respect for Kapor for getting himself out and 
making something substantive of his life as opposed to asses like Russel Brand 
and Howard Stern.

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck

[awoelflebater]

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[Michael Jackson]

Like I said, I was never on any of those courses - always heard things about 
courses like Majorca but no specifics were ever talked about, at least not from 
the people I heard - it was third hand rumors - I think Rick and Mark Landau 
are the first people I ever talked to who were on that course.





 From: Steve Sundur 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
 


  
Just a little correction.  I think the course Mitch was on must of had YF.  
That wasn't on the radar on my course.  As far as unstressing goes.  Hell, it 
was the more the better.  I mean my attitude was "bring it on".  I remember 
thinking to myself if I would rather have unstressing manifest itself in a 
physical, or a mental fashion.  And I seemed to get plenty of both.  And this 
may surprise you, but I really never saw evidence of people really going off 
the deep end - in any of my courses.  Of course, I may have just been blind to 
it.

From: Michael Jackson 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
 
  
Well, I wasn't there - but from what I have heard of the heavy unstressing on 
many courses, it doesn't sound like there was an effective means or program in 
place to assist those who were going through stuff. If there was I would like 
to know that and to know what things were put into place to assist people going 
through the unstressing. Such a thing would make me think more highly of the 
Movement than I do now.


From: Steve Sundur 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
 
  
Hey Mikey.  How you livin'.  Listen, I was on the six month course.  The first 
one actually, where the experimentation was rampant.  Enemas, diet control, (or 
at least many theories to consider).  Rick was on that course too.  I guess for 
Mitch, it wasn't his cup of tea, so he left.  I think he may have been on a 
later course.  Or at least I don't remember him on my course.
 
But I thoroughly enjoyed it, and felt I gained much from it.  I think what Jim 
is saying, (and really, I just skimmed it), is that if there is such thing as a 
spiritual path, and you choose to be on it, that as you move along that path, 
and you will have to clear away any wreckage.  
 
Now probably, many times you may progress a certain amount, and then decide to 
take a break.  And of course, so what if you do.  
 
I don't know what on with Mitch, other than he felt he got all he could from 
the program and then moved on -  either with prejudice or without prejudice.
 
I think that's what Jim is saying.  But at some point, if you decide to take up 
the path again, in a more focused way, then you may well have to engage in some 
heavy lifting again.
 
P.S. My favorite part of that course was the hours of reading the Upanishads.  
More interesting (and enjoyable) than the Rig Veda readings. 
 
P.S.S.  The food was...excellent!!

From: Michael Jackson 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
 
  
Kapor didn't say he was looking for a magic bullet or a panacea, he was just 
wanting what Marshy promised and to see if the sidhis was the real deal, if M 
could really teach anyone to fly. Obviously he couldn't teach anyone to fly, 
and Kapor was not looking to get screwed up from the rounding. I will leave it 
to those who did the six months courses to comment on the experiment comment 
Kapor made. I have heard of heavy unstressing, but not the enemas and Hindu 
food combining rituals, not that early in the Movement history anyway. I have a 
hell of a lot more admiration and respect for Kapor for getting himself out and 
making something substantive of his life as opposed to asses like Russel Brand 
and Howard Stern.


From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:36 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
 
  
 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
Interesting that these people that get so bent out of shape about TM, are the 
ones that put all their eggs in that one basket, expecting Easter, and candy 
treats from then on. It's a technique, people, not some panacea for life 
itself. It doesn't stop the hard work being done, or the sometimes 
uncomfortable looking at ourselves in the mirror. WTF did you expect? No free 
lunch on this planet, no matter who you are, or what you do.

Absolutely Doc. I have been wanting to say this for a long time now and you 
just did - perfectly. If someone is let down, disappointed, left feeling 
cheated or bereft then look to yourselves, people. There is no magic pill for 
happiness, fulfillment or anything else and if you think MMY indicated this 
then you read 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[Steve Sundur]

Just a little correction.  I think the course Mitch was on must of had YF.  
That wasn't on the radar on my course.  As far as unstressing goes.  Hell, it 
was the more the better.  I mean my attitude was "bring it on".  I remember 
thinking to myself if I would rather have unstressing manifest itself in a 
physical, or a mental fashion.  And I seemed to get plenty of both.  And this 
may surprise you, but I really never saw evidence of people really going off 
the deep end - in any of my courses.  Of course, I may have just been blind to 
it.
 


 From: Michael Jackson 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
   
 
Well, I wasn't there - but from what I have heard of the heavy unstressing on 
many courses, it doesn't sound like there was an effective means or program in 
place to assist those who were going through stuff. If there was I would like 
to know that and to know what things were put into place to assist people going 
through the unstressing. Such a thing would make me think more highly of the 
Movement than I do now.

 


 From: Steve Sundur 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
Hey Mikey.  How you livin'.  Listen, I was on the six month course.  The first 
one actually, where the experimentation was rampant.  Enemas, diet control, (or 
at least many theories to consider).  Rick was on that course too.  I guess for 
Mitch, it wasn't his cup of tea, so he left.  I think he may have been on a 
later course.  Or at least I don't remember him on my course.
 
But I thoroughly enjoyed it, and felt I gained much from it.  I think what Jim 
is saying, (and really, I just skimmed it), is that if there is such thing as a 
spiritual path, and you choose to be on it, that as you move along that path, 
and you will have to clear away any wreckage.  
 
Now probably, many times you may progress a certain amount, and then decide to 
take a break.  And of course, so what if you do.  
 
I don't know what on with Mitch, other than he felt he got all he could from 
the program and then moved on -  either with prejudice or without prejudice.
 
I think that's what Jim is saying.  But at some point, if you decide to take up 
the path again, in a more focused way, then you may well have to engage in some 
heavy lifting again.
 
P.S. My favorite part of that course was the hours of reading the Upanishads.  
More interesting (and enjoyable) than the Rig Veda readings. 
 
P.S.S.  The food was...excellent!!
 


 From: Michael Jackson 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  
Kapor didn't say he was looking for a magic bullet or a panacea, he was just 
wanting what Marshy promised and to see if the sidhis was the real deal, if M 
could really teach anyone to fly. Obviously he couldn't teach anyone to fly, 
and Kapor was not looking to get screwed up from the rounding. I will leave it 
to those who did the six months courses to comment on the experiment comment 
Kapor made. I have heard of heavy unstressing, but not the enemas and Hindu 
food combining rituals, not that early in the Movement history anyway. I have a 
hell of a lot more admiration and respect for Kapor for getting himself out and 
making something substantive of his life as opposed to asses like Russel Brand 
and Howard Stern.

 


 From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:36 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
  
  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
Interesting that these people that get so bent out of shape about TM, are the 
ones that put all their eggs in that one basket, expecting Easter, and candy 
treats from then on. It's a technique, people, not some panacea for life 
itself. It doesn't stop the hard work being done, or the sometimes 
uncomfortable looking at ourselves in the mirror. WTF did you expect? No free 
lunch on this planet, no matter who you are, or what you do.

Absolutely Doc. I have been wanting to say this for a long time now and you 
just did - perfectly. If someone is let down, disappointed, left feeling 
cheated or bereft then look to yourselves, people. There is no magic pill for 
happiness, fulfillment or anything else and if you think MMY indicated this 
then you read it all wrong. Great things come with great effort. Period. You 
have to spend years, sweat buckets, will yourself silly and desire it with 
everything you've got. And this is just the start. Anything that comes too 
easily is either not worth it or will not be appreciated for what it truly is. 
People need to stop whining, take responsibility fo

RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck

[awoelflebater]

Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[Michael Jackson]

Ahhh, Livingston Manor - I did my first sidhis bloc there, Messrs Big Bopper 
Bevan and John Cowhig were officiating as TM Sidhi Administrators. 

Bevan was not fat then, in fact looked like a surfer, narrow waist, broad 
shoulders. It was January, cold as hell, they had just had a major snow and ice 
storm that knocked out their electricity, destroyed one of their well pumps, 
lots of the pipes in the place froze, staff had to put 50 gallon drums of water 
in the halls and we each had plastic buckets to dip into the drums to haul 
water to flush our toilets. 

Food was quite good as I recall - they even had a Southern boy on cooking staff 
who one day served up grits for breakfast. All the Yankees had no idea what 
they were or what to do with them. Only complaint I had about it was he used 
white grits instead of yaller grits.

The guy who was running the place, I can't remember his name but I saw his 
picture on some TM stuff recently - I think he's a raja or works somehow for 
the Global Country of World Peace. 

Anyway he got really tick off at us - we had to wait for our first sutras for 
longer than we were supposed to due to technical incompetence on Bevan and 
John's part. When we finally got them, they were of course through video/audio 
tape. After one of the girls on the course was bitching about us not actually 
seeing marshy and said so in "public" - in the dining hall and folks heard - so 
we got chewed out big time for not honoring our agreement to not say nothing 
about our instruction.

That was also the place I saw the "Be a Superman, Be a Sidha-man!" poster that 
I would love to have one of now. Good times. 





 From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:23 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
 


  
About three years, total. In rural settings; Livingston Manor, NY and twice 
near Waverly, MO. I enjoyed it for awhile. My last stint, though, was to 
evaluate whether or not I would go on to TTC. Thankfully, I made the right 
choice. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


I am sure I have cognitive overload or dissonance or something from all the 
years I did TM, I missed you working for the Movement - when and where did work 
for them? And did you enjoy it?





 From: "doctordumbass@..." 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
 


  
And you too, MJ, are a fine fella.  I never actually saw, or met, Maharishi, 
and stopped working for his org in 1982. I did watch a LOT of tapes and read 
his Gita translation several times. Probably went on twenty Residence Courses. 
Practiced the TMSP from 1980 to 1993-ish. Did TM from 1975, on. Other than 
that, it has just been plain hard work, discrimination, and focus. My rosy 
colored glasses fell off at some point along the way, and I don't wear 
contacts, either.:-)



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>
>
>I suggest you read the interview and then make comments - as much as I like 
>Doc, he is still wearing rosy colored glasses where maree-chee and company are 
>concerned. But he's a fine feller anyway.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "awoelflebater@..." 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:42 AM
>Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
> 
>
>
>  
> 
>
>
>
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>>
>>
>>Jesus, you people! Let's shoot the messenger - Kapor realized what was being 
>>offered was not what was advertised. He put all his hopes and dreams into 
>>Marshy and his bogus teachings and went on straighten himself out and become 
>>a mover and shaker in computer and internet technology. I take my hat off to 
>>him. No reason to revile him and his experience just because he tells it like 
>>it is.
>>
>>
>>I don't revile anyone for leaving the Movement or who became disillusioned or 
>>even bitter about their experience there. I was just making a general 
>>statement about naive expectations when it comes to those who expect the 
>>world for very little effort. I didn't even read the interview, I was 
>>addressing what the Doc was saying.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "awoelflebater@..." 
>>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:36 PM
>>Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
>> 
>>
>>
>>  
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Interesting that these people that get so bent out of shape about TM, are 
>>>the ones that put all their eggs in that one basket, expecting Easter, and 
>>>candy treats from then on. It's a technique, people, not some panacea for 
>>>life itself. It doesn't stop the hard work being done, or the sometimes 
>>>uncomfortable looking at ourselves in the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Surviving Whole Foods

[Richard J. Williams]

On 9/19/2013 4:51 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Lying again, Richard?
>
So, which Whole Foods store is in your neck of the woods?

http://wholefoodsmarket.com/stores/list




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  
wrote:


On 9/18/2013 11:40 AM, authfriend@...  wrote:

> And Whole Foods is known as Whole Paycheck in this neck of 


the woods.

>

Do they even have a Whole Foods Market in your neck of the woods?

It looks like it's a pretty long bus trip to get to Princeton, Red Bank or
Marlton, New Jersey, where the Whole Foods Markets are located.

Go figure.

Whole Foods Market
3495 US Route 1 South
Princeton  New Jersey  08540.
United States

Whole Foods Market
471 State Route 35 North
Red Bank  New Jersey  07701-5036.
United States

Whole Foods Market.
940 Route 73 North
Marlton  New Jersey  08053.
United States


I concur with all this (except that I'm not much for "alternative
remedies"--don't need them, I just try to eat right).


And Whole Foods is known as Whole Paycheck in this neck of the
woods.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
,

 wrote:

Hate to rain on your parade but US supermarkets have had organic
sections for ages.  And yup, sometimes the products are the same
price as the regular products and even sometimes less, especially
when it comes to produce.  Lately I was looking at prices of
lettuce.  I like green leaf lettuce on sandwiches (so do
restaurants).  The price for a head in the regular section was $2
in the organic $2. However I buy most of my produce at the local
farmer's market.

We call Whole Foods "whole wallet" around here.  They're a bit
out of the way for me so haven't been to one in ages.  BTW, the
new health fad is gluten-free and those kind of products are
showing up even in the mainstream supermarkets.

And many here are now old farts and once you hit your sixties the
old jalopy stops working so well.  So it's not a bad idea to be
particular about diet and trying some of the alternative remedies
though many of us have been using them for years.  Our bodies are
just like cars. You can change the oil and keep up maintenance on
it and it'll run just fine for miles and miles.  Or just let it
run down and fall apart.  You can  go shopping for a new one
after you die. :-D


On 09/18/2013 12:19 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


Very funny article, one made more poignant by living in
France and
the Netherlands, where "Bio" (Organic) foods are found in almost
every supermarket, and at prices not much higher than "lesser"
produce. There are fewer "craze foods," and there are FAR fewer
crazies buying them. Here, you eat to live (and eat *well*); you
don't live to eat.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kelly-maclean/surviving-whole-foods_b_3895583.html


Amidst the humor, the author makes some good points. For
example,
"Ever notice that you don't meet poor people with special
diet needs?"
Similarly, have you ever noticed that people whose spiritual
paths
are actually *working* for them don't spend most of their
time obses-
sing on their health and what they eat and the esoteric
snake oil
healings they *need* to stay healthy? What's wrong with TM
that so
many of its followers obsess on these things so consistently?

Posted even though I know from experience that it'll
probably take
anywhere from two hours to two days to appear. I suspect Yahoo's
server personnel are drinking too much kombuchka (Japanese for
'I gizzed in your tea').  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

[punditster]

Share Long :
> thanks, turq, this made me LOL.
>
After viewing the interview with Kelly MacLean, all I can say is
'NAMESTE'.

LoL!

http://tinyurl.com/o64nd7b 


 

[FairfieldLife] RE: Just when you thought the world couldn't get any stranger...

[authfriend]

[FairfieldLife] Just when you thought the world couldn't get any stranger...

[turquoiseb]

http://modernfarmer.com/2013/09/goat-manure-spontaneous-combustion-thing\
/
 

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Surviving Whole Foods

[authfriend]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Surviving Whole Foods

[Richard J. Williams]

On 9/18/2013 11:40 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
> And Whole Foods is known as Whole Paycheck in this neck of the woods.
>
Do they even have a Whole Foods Market in your neck of the woods?

It looks like it's a pretty long bus trip to get to Princeton, Red Bank or
Marlton, New Jersey, where the Whole Foods Markets are located.

Go figure.

Whole Foods Market
3495 US Route 1 South
Princeton  New Jersey  08540.
United States

Whole Foods Market
471 State Route 35 North
Red Bank  New Jersey  07701-5036.
United States

Whole Foods Market.
940 Route 73 North
Marlton  New Jersey  08053.
United States

I concur with all this (except that I'm not much for "alternative 
remedies"--don't need them, I just try to eat right).



And Whole Foods is known as Whole Paycheck in this neck of the woods.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  
wrote:


Hate to rain on your parade but US supermarkets have had organic 
sections for ages.  And yup, sometimes the products are the same price 
as the regular products and even sometimes less, especially when it 
comes to produce.  Lately I was looking at prices of lettuce. I like 
green leaf lettuce on sandwiches (so do restaurants).  The price for a 
head in the regular section was $2 in the organic $2.  However I buy 
most of my produce at the local farmer's market.


We call Whole Foods "whole wallet" around here. They're a bit out of 
the way for me so haven't been to one in ages.  BTW, the new health 
fad is gluten-free and those kind of products are showing up even in 
the mainstream supermarkets.


And many here are now old farts and once you hit your sixties the old 
jalopy stops working so well.  So it's not a bad idea to be particular 
about diet and trying some of the alternative remedies though many of 
us have been using them for years.  Our bodies are just like cars.  
You can change the oil and keep up maintenance on it and it'll run 
just fine for miles and miles.  Or just let it run down and fall 
apart. You can  go shopping for a new one after you die. :-D



On 09/18/2013 12:19 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


Very funny article, one made more poignant by living in France and
the Netherlands, where "Bio" (Organic) foods are found in almost
every supermarket, and at prices not much higher than "lesser"
produce. There are fewer "craze foods," and there are FAR fewer
crazies buying them. Here, you eat to live (and eat *well*); you
don't live to eat.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kelly-maclean/surviving-whole-foods_b_3895583.html


Amidst the humor, the author makes some good points. For example,
"Ever notice that you don't meet poor people with special diet
needs?"
Similarly, have you ever noticed that people whose spiritual paths
are actually *working* for them don't spend most of their time obses-
sing on their health and what they eat and the esoteric snake oil
healings they *need* to stay healthy? What's wrong with TM that so
many of its followers obsess on these things so consistently?

Posted even though I know from experience that it'll probably take
anywhere from two hours to two days to appear. I suspect Yahoo's
server personnel are drinking too much kombuchka (Japanese for
'I gizzed in your tea').  :-)

RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[doctordumbass]

[FairfieldLife] RE: Are we living in the end times?

[s3raphita]

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?

[authfriend]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Pope: Church Is Obsessed with Gays, Abortion and Contraception

[Share Long]

John, I got a message: Server not found.





 From: "jr_...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:55 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Pope:  Church Is Obsessed with Gays, Abortion and 
Contraception
 


  
This sounds like some of the postings here on FFL.

http://news.yahoo.com/pope-says-church-cannot-obsessed-gays-contraception-abortion-163220900.html

 

RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[awoelflebater]

RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story

[awoelflebater]

[FairfieldLife] RE: Pope: Church Is Obsessed with Gays, Abortion and Contraception

[jr_esq]

[FairfieldLife] Pope: Church Is Obsessed with Gays, Abortion and Contraception

[jr_esq]

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[Bhairitu]

I read the article, Michael.  I was responding to Richard's assumption 
it was a TTC.  Perhaps you should take reading comprehension courses or 
get off meth.


On 09/19/2013 09:59 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
It wasn't a TTC - it was the proverbial Six Month Course for TM 
teachers to get the siddhis and become Governors of the Age of 
Enlightenment.


Maybe you should go to the same community college where Willy Tex is 
planning to take reading comprehension courses.




*From:* Bhairitu 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:05 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

If Kapor was on an AE course he probably WASN'T on any six month TTC.  
He probably was on one of those shorter course that were only 3 months 
and I think there were a few early one's even shorter (like one month).


On 09/19/2013 08:03 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:

So, Mitch Kapor signed up for a six month course to be a TM Teacher.

Isn't he the guy that invented Lotus 123?

I've always wondered what drives some people to do this - why in
the world would it take six moths out of someone's life to learn
TM and memorize a simple initiation puja?

It takes only a few minutes to teach someone how to meditate.

Go figure.

Wouldn't you have to be somewhat strange to think you could just
take off for six months from your family and your job to sit around
and meditate in Switzerland?

And then, after walking out on the yoga camp, switch over to join
a Buddhist cult and get interviewed by Tricycle. Go figure.

On 9/19/2013 7:08 AM, Share Long wrote:

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?

[authfriend]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?

[Share Long]

Yay, and thank you Judy for your feedback. Actually I could tell even from the 
copy in my Send folder which ones didn't work and which one did.





 From: Share Long 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?
 


  
testing 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6blsCGdDI4



 From: obbajeeba 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:21 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?
 


  

Not what you are thinking. :)




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?

[Share Long]

testing 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6blsCGdDI4




 From: obbajeeba 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:21 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?
 


  

Not what you are thinking. :)


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?

[Share Long]

test 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6blsCGdDI4




 From: obbajeeba 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:21 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?
 


  

Not what you are thinking. :)


 

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?

[authfriend]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?

[Share Long]

testing 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6blsCGdDI4




 From: obbajeeba 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:21 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?
 


  

Not what you are thinking. :)


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck

[Richard J. Williams]

The burden of proof is on Judy - end of case.

So, I guess if Judy had any proof that I posted lies from 1999,
maybe she could do a quick search of FFL and be more a
little more specific about it. She sure holds a grudge. Go figure.

On 9/19/2013 2:24 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I stand by what I said. And I'm not going to argue about who I called 
liars with a liar.

>



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  
wrote:


That was just a quick cursory search of Yahoo FFL.

If I made a longer search on Usenet I could probably find
hundreds of instances since 1995 where you claimed
so-and-so was lying. You know this is true, Judy - why
deny it? I'm not the first person to conclude that this
is your main MO.

On 9/19/2013 12:29 PM, authfriend@...  wrote:


Says Richard, proving that he's a liar (again).



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, 
 
 wrote:


Maybe it's time to review the number of liars posting to FFL.

According to Judy, the top posters who posted lies are Buck,
Barry, Curtis, Vaj, Richard, Steve, and Share.

And the minor bottom posters are Sal, salyavin, azgrey,
navashok, PaliGap, Nabby, irentea, and Xeno.

So, we got fifteen liars posting to the discussion group.

Did I miss anyone?

So if true, then it looks like fifteen of the FFL respondents
posted lies in one year and they should apologize to the
group.

If untrue, then Judy is a liar and posted at least fifteen lies,
or more, to the discussion.

If we take a vote, probably at least fifteen respondents would
vote to censure Judy.

Now that's funny!!!

On 9/19/2013 11:18 AM, authfriend@...  wrote:
> It's not a matter of opinion, I'm afraid, that Richard is a
liar and a troll.
>



As to your pandering, we could also call it brown-nosing, sucking up 
to, or fawning over.





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, 
 
 wrote:


Judy, I don't agree with you that Richard is a liar or troll or that 
I pander.




*From:* "authfriend@..."   

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 


*Sent:* Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:58 AM
*Subject:* RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U 
Buck


Actually he's a liar and a troll, whichever of his many handles he's 
using. But you go right ahead and pander to him anyway. Beggars 
can't be choosers.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
,

 wrote:

Willytex, IMHO you are a brave and good soul. PS could it all be
about having lots of handles? (-:



*From:* Richard J. Williams  
*To:* Richard J. Williams 

*Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:36 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U
Buck

So, it's all about Richard. Go figure:

I, Willytex, am truly sorry for ever lying to the discussion group.

 I, Willytex, apologize to MJ for calling him an idiot.

On 9/18/2013 10:17 AM, awoelflebater@...
 wrote:
Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy
might consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to
everybody then Judy might consider apologizing to Share.
When Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might consider
apologizing to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might
extract a higher price.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
,

 wrote:

Judy called five people liars - it's a pattern. Judy should be
taken to task for this offense - Barry, Steve, Richard, Buck
and Share should insist on a retraction and an apology.

So, we can see that half of the regular respondents on this
list have been smeared by Judy for no good reason. It's
time to put a stop to the MGs.

Stand up for your rights!

Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might
consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to
everybody then Judy might consider apologizing to Share. When
Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might consider apologizing
to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a higher
price.



On 9/17/2013 2:27 PM, sharelong60@...
 wrote:
> Judy, you began by calling Buck a liar and saying he
lied. Then that
morphed into wrong and bliss ninny. That's what I mean by
backpedaling
and 

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?

[authfriend]

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck

[authfriend]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Bouncy Jesus

[Bhairitu]

Be sure not to read John Woodroffe's "Garland of Letters" first 
published in 1922 then.  Especially chapter 26.  It can be found online.


On 09/19/2013 11:54 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:

Couldn't we have the decency to not printout mantras?

*From:* turquoiseb 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:23 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Bouncy Jesus
https://scontent-b-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/1234035_534737976613910_584946663_n.jpg

Re: [FairfieldLife] Mitchell Kapor

[Richard J. Williams]

Correction: From what I've read, Dan Bricklin invented VisiCalc and
Mitch Kapor invented Lotus 123.

"Daniel Singer 'Dan' Bricklin (born 16 July 1951), often referred to as
'The Father of the Spreadsheet', is the American co-creator, with Bob
Frankston, of the VisiCalc spreadsheet program."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Bricklin

"Kapor worked as head of development at VisiCorp (the marketers of
VisiCalc) and selling the rights to his products VisiPlot and VisiTrend
to VisiCorp. Shortly after Kapor left VisiCorp, he co-designed and
developed an integrated spreadsheet and graphing program."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitch_Kapor' 



On 9/19/2013 12:47 PM, Bhairitu wrote:


Dan Bricklan developed VisiCalc not Mitch Kapor.

On 09/19/2013 10:01 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:


Mitch Kapor developed the first spreadsheet for the IBM PC - VisiCalc.

According to what I've read, Kapor became interested in TM going on to
teach it in Cambridge, Massachusetts, where he also worked as a computer
programmer.

He went on to become a millionaire selling software. Apparently TM 
really

was good for him, even though he apparently didn't really understand it
at the time.

He later became a Buddhist and joined a cult in San Francisco where he
meditates for hours at a time. Go figure.

Read more:

'Accidental Empires'
How the Boys of Silicon Valley Make Their Millions, Battle Foreign 
Competition, and Still Can't Get a Date

Robert X. Cringely
Addison-Wesley, 1996, p95

On 9/19/2013 11:01 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
>  I never met Kapor though he was on the west coast panel for the
> "Computer Bowl" I attended in the 1990s.  But he was one of many
> shakers and movers in the tech world there.  Bill Gates co-emceed.




On 09/18/2013 05:19 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:

Mitchell Kapor, Founder of Lotus Software on TM

Tricycle: It seems that the material you’ve been involved with has 
addressed internal and external freedom and an entrenched wariness 
of authoritarian rule. Is this perspective influenced or affirmed 
by your experience with the Maharishi? [His full name is Maharishi 
Mahesh Yogi.]


Kapor: My dislike for authoritarian structures goes back as far as 
I can remember in my childhood. If I could remember past lives, I’m 
sure my memories would extend there too. But my experiences in 
Transcendental Meditation ultimately really deepened my commitment 
to anti-authoritarianism.


Tricycle: How did you get involved in TM?

Kapor: Well, my experience was typical for my generation. I had 
gotten to college in the 60′s and started experimenting with 
marijuana and psychedelics, fairly heavily. I had some distressing 
experiences with LSD. Bad trips. So I stopped doing drugs and then 
started getting acid flashbacks. I decided to give meditation a 
serious try to see if that could have some calming effect. I got 
hooked in to TM and eventually made the decision to go through 
advanced training to become an initiator, an instructor.


Tricycle: How long did you stay involved with TM?

Kapor: I was involved for seven years. It all ultimately came to a 
head in 1976. The movement went into a new phase and Maharishi 
started talking about siddhis, powers, and techniques for doing 
levitation and other things. This created so much cognitive 
dissonance in me that I didn’t know what to do. I had to find out 
if it was real or not, and I wanted to believe that it was real, 
but something in me said that it couldn’t possibly be real. People 
weren’t really going to levitate. So I went to Switzerland for the 
sixth-month course on "powers."


I went and I fell apart. They were using us as experimental 
subjects. There was fasting involved and various austerities that 
come out of Hindu traditions, enemas and various bizarre food 
combining rituals. A lot of madness got released.


After five months of this I said whatever problems I might or might 
not have, TM is not making them better, it is making them worse and 
I decided to leave. This was like leaving everything, because I had 
severed all of my other ties and relations: no job, no career, no 
marriage and no prospects. I got up in the middle of the night and 
walked to the train station. I felt like I was crossing from 
slavery into freedom, from one intolerable situation into the great 
unknown.


By the way, no one really levitates. I fully satisfied myself as to 
that.


http://www.kapor.com/writing/tricycle-interview/

[FairfieldLife] What Country Has the Best Economy in the World?

[jr_esq]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?

[Share Long]

testing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6blsCGdDI4




 From: obbajeeba 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:21 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wondering what obbajeeba is doing tonight?
 


  

Not what you are thinking. :)


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[Bhairitu]

No, more likely that that was the only time they had to do the tests. 
Believe it or not there were people there who had not learned the 
notes.  It thought it WAS mandatory have learned them to attend TTC.  So 
by the time they had a chance to learn them and take the test it was 
roundingville.  Clue: don't try to apply logic to the workings of the TMO.


On 09/19/2013 11:21 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


Maybe the idea was that if the checking routine had become such 
second-nature to you that you could do it flawlessly while you were 
rounding, you'd never have any trouble with it in other contexts?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  
wrote:


No wonder I had checked more people than the folks at the center who 
authorized me for TTC.  Of course being a musician I was available to 
check days which was something some of them either going to school or 
with a job couldn't do.


Rounding raises the ether element and makes people more ungrounded.  
Of course if the participants only had "lots of thoughts" during 
rounding maybe didn't have much a problem focusing to pass the 
checking tests.  Those who were visiting other planets and stars or 
exploring the rent and weave of the universe during rounding not so 
much so.


On 09/19/2013 10:07 AM, turquoiseb wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, Bhairitu  
 wrote:

>
> On 09/19/2013 09:38 AM, punditster wrote:
> >
> > Bhairitu:
> > > I also thought it was crazy that they tested people
> > > for the checking notes and puja memorization when
> > > rounds were at the high point...
> > >
> > When on a meditation course to become TM teachers I
> > would think that as prospective teachers you'd be
> > checked every day at least.
>
> To attend TTC you had to have passed the checking notes.
> By the time I went to TTC I had checked over 200 people.
> This wasn't the attendee getting checked, Richard. It
> was testing you for the notes.

While I agree with your earlier point: "What were
they *thinking* having people both learn and be
tested on the checking notes while doing 6-8
rounds per day?," I have to correct you. On *later*
course you might have been required to learn the
checking notes before you attended the course. But
on earlier courses (e.g., mine, Mallorca-Fiuggi '72)
you had to both learn and be tested on the checking
notes while doing this much meditation per day.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Bouncy Jesus

[Mike Dixon]

Couldn't we have the decency to not print out mantras?

 


 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:23 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bouncy Jesus
  
   

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck

[Richard J. Williams]

That was just a quick cursory search of Yahoo FFL.

If I made a longer search on Usenet I could probably find
hundreds of instances since 1995 where you claimed
so-and-so was lying. You know this is true, Judy - why
deny it? I'm not the first person to conclude that this
is your main MO.

On 9/19/2013 12:29 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


Says Richard, proving that he's a liar (again).



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  
wrote:


Maybe it's time to review the number of liars posting to FFL.

According to Judy, the top posters who posted lies are Buck,
Barry, Curtis, Vaj, Richard, Steve, and Share.

And the minor bottom posters are Sal, salyavin, azgrey,
navashok, PaliGap, Nabby, irentea, and Xeno.

So, we got fifteen liars posting to the discussion group.

Did I miss anyone?

So if true, then it looks like fifteen of the FFL respondents
posted lies in one year and they should apologize to the
group.

If untrue, then Judy is a liar and posted at least fifteen lies,
or more, to the discussion.

If we take a vote, probably at least fifteen respondents would
vote to censure Judy.

Now that's funny!!!

On 9/19/2013 11:18 AM, authfriend@...  wrote:
> It's not a matter of opinion, I'm afraid, that Richard is a liar
and a troll.
>



As to your pandering, we could also call it brown-nosing, sucking up 
to, or fawning over.





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, 
 
 wrote:


Judy, I don't agree with you that Richard is a liar or troll or that 
I pander.




*From:* "authfriend@..."   

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 


*Sent:* Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:58 AM
*Subject:* RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck

Actually he's a liar and a troll, whichever of his many handles he's 
using. But you go right ahead and pander to him anyway. Beggars can't 
be choosers.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
,

 wrote:

Willytex, IMHO you are a brave and good soul. PS could it all be
about having lots of handles? (-:



*From:* Richard J. Williams  
*To:* Richard J. Williams 

*Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:36 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck

So, it's all about Richard. Go figure:

I, Willytex, am truly sorry for ever lying to the discussion group.

 I, Willytex, apologize to MJ for calling him an idiot.

On 9/18/2013 10:17 AM, awoelflebater@...
 wrote:
Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy
might consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to
everybody then Judy might consider apologizing to Share. When
Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might consider
apologizing to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might
extract a higher price.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
,

 wrote:

Judy called five people liars - it's a pattern. Judy should be
taken to task for this offense - Barry, Steve, Richard, Buck
and Share should insist on a retraction and an apology.

So, we can see that half of the regular respondents on this
list have been smeared by Judy for no good reason. It's
time to put a stop to the MGs.

Stand up for your rights!

Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might
consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody
then Judy might consider apologizing to Share. When Share
apologizes to Robin then Judy might consider apologizing to
Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a higher price.



On 9/17/2013 2:27 PM, sharelong60@...
 wrote:
> Judy, you began by calling Buck a liar and saying he lied.
Then that
morphed into wrong and bliss ninny. That's what I mean by
backpedaling
and that's why I thought you had changed your mind. 







.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[Richard J. Williams]

So, after Mitch learned TM and taught it to hundreds of people
he joined a Buddhist cult and got better and made millions of
dollars.

It looks like maybe what he thought was a bad thing turned out
to be a good thing. Who wants to make only a few dollars
teaching TM when they could make millions with a software
program? Go figure.

On 9/19/2013 12:07 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
I see you still have reading comprehension problems - Kapor has been 
very clear that it was AFTER he got clear of the Movement and Marshy's 
deceit that he became successful - like he said in his interview


"After five months of this I said whatever problems I might or might 
not have, TM is not making them better, it is making them worse and I 
decided to leave. This was like leaving everything, because I had 
severed all of my other ties and relations: no job, no career, no 
marriage and no prospects."


I am sure you will come back with some idiotic raving about prejudice 
against Hindus, so I am wasting my time but there it is.




*From:* punditster 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:31 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor



Bhairitu:
> If Kapor was on an AE course he probably WASN'T on
> any six month TTC. He probably was on one of those
> shorter course that were only 3 months and I think
> there were a few early one's even shorter (like one
> month).
>
So, Mitch Kapor took a yoga course in Switzerland with
the Mahesh Yogi and became a teacher of TM and taught
TM in Cambridge.

Then, he invented Lotus 123 and founded the Lotus
Foundation and became a millionaire.

Not bad for practicing a few yoga poses and meditating
a few minutes a day!

> > So, Mitch Kapor signed up for a six month course to be a TM Teacher.
> >
> > Isn't he the guy that invented Lotus 123?
> >
> > I've always wondered what drives some people to do this - why in
> > the world would it take six moths out of someone's life to learn
> > TM and memorize a simple initiation puja?
> >
> > It takes only a few minutes to teach someone how to meditate.
> >
> > Go figure.
> >
> > Wouldn't you have to be somewhat strange to think you could just
> > take off for six months from your family and your job to sit around
> > and meditate in Switzerland?
> >
> > And then, after walking out on the yoga camp, switch over to join
> > a Buddhist cult and get interviewed by Tricycle. Go figure.
> >
> > On 9/19/2013 7:08 AM, Share Long wrote:
> >
>

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[authfriend]

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Are we living in the end times?

[authfriend]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[Bhairitu]

No wonder I had checked more people than the folks at the center who 
authorized me for TTC.  Of course being a musician I was available to 
check days which was something some of them either going to school or 
with a job couldn't do.


Rounding raises the ether element and makes people more ungrounded.  Of 
course if the participants only had "lots of thoughts" during rounding 
maybe didn't have much a problem focusing to pass the checking tests.  
Those who were visiting other planets and stars or exploring the rent 
and weave of the universe during rounding not so much so.


On 09/19/2013 10:07 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 09/19/2013 09:38 AM, punditster wrote:
> >
> > Bhairitu:
> > > I also thought it was crazy that they tested people
> > > for the checking notes and puja memorization when
> > > rounds were at the high point...
> > >
> > When on a meditation course to become TM teachers I
> > would think that as prospective teachers you'd be
> > checked every day at least.
>
> To attend TTC you had to have passed the checking notes.
> By the time I went to TTC I had checked over 200 people.
> This wasn't the attendee getting checked, Richard. It
> was testing you for the notes.

While I agree with your earlier point: "What were
they *thinking* having people both learn and be
tested on the checking notes while doing 6-8
rounds per day?," I have to correct you. On *later*
course you might have been required to learn the
checking notes before you attended the course. But
on earlier courses (e.g., mine, Mallorca-Fiuggi '72)
you had to both learn and be tested on the checking
notes while doing this much meditation per day.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Silicon Love

[Bhairitu]

How about not getting into wars in the first place?  Wars are a sign of 
a adolescent mind.  Play chess? Then you know how society is currently 
structured.  It doesn't have to be that way.  Soldiers are nothing more 
than the poor being pawns for the rich.  Eat the rich!


On 09/19/2013 10:54 AM, waspaligap wrote:


But what if you care too much about your robot?


http://www.washington.edu/news/2013/09/17/emotional-attachment-to-robots-could-affect-outcome-on-battlefield/

"Soldiers told her that attachment to their robots didn’t affect their 
performance, yet acknowledged they felt a range of emotions such as 
frustration, anger and even sadness when their field robot was destroyed"

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck

[Richard J. Williams]

Maybe it's time to review the number of liars posting to FFL.

According to Judy, the top posters who posted lies are Buck,
Barry, Curtis, Vaj, Richard, Steve, and Share.

And the minor bottom posters are Sal, salyavin, azgrey,
navashok, PaliGap, Nabby, irentea, and Xeno.

So, we got fifteen liars posting to the discussion group.

Did I miss anyone?

So if true, then it looks like fifteen of the FFL respondents
posted lies in one year and they should apologize to the
group.

If untrue, then Judy is a liar and posted at least fifteen lies,
or more, to the discussion.

If we take a vote, probably at least fifteen respondents would
vote to censure Judy.

Now that's funny!!!

On 9/19/2013 11:18 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
> It's not a matter of opinion, I'm afraid, that Richard is a liar and 
a troll.

>


As to your pandering, we could also call it brown-nosing, sucking up 
to, or fawning over.





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  
wrote:


Judy, I don't agree with you that Richard is a liar or troll or that I 
pander.




*From:* "authfriend@..." 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:58 AM
*Subject:* RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck

Actually he's a liar and a troll, whichever of his many handles he's 
using. But you go right ahead and pander to him anyway. Beggars can't 
be choosers.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 wrote:

Willytex, IMHO you are a brave and good soul. PS could it all be
about having lots of handles? (-:



*From:* Richard J. Williams 
*To:* Richard J. Williams 
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:36 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck

So, it's all about Richard. Go figure:

I, Willytex, am truly sorry for ever lying to the discussion group.

 I, Willytex, apologize to MJ for calling him an idiot.

On 9/18/2013 10:17 AM, awoelflebater@...
 wrote:
Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might
consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to
everybody then Judy might consider apologizing to Share. When
Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might consider apologizing
to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a higher
price.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
,

 wrote:

Judy called five people liars - it's a pattern. Judy should be
taken to task for this offense - Barry, Steve, Richard, Buck
and Share should insist on a retraction and an apology.

So, we can see that half of the regular respondents on this
list have been smeared by Judy for no good reason. It's
time to put a stop to the MGs.

Stand up for your rights!

Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might
consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody
then Judy might consider apologizing to Share. When Share
apologizes to Robin then Judy might consider apologizing to
Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a higher price.



On 9/17/2013 2:27 PM, sharelong60@...
 wrote:
> Judy, you began by calling Buck a liar and saying he lied.
Then that
morphed into wrong and bliss ninny. That's what I mean by
backpedaling
and that's why I thought you had changed your mind. 








. 

[FairfieldLife] Silicon Love

[waspaligap]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Mitchell Kapor

[Bhairitu]

Dan Bricklan developed VisiCalc not Mitch Kapor.

On 09/19/2013 10:01 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:


Mitch Kapor developed the first spreadsheet for the IBM PC - VisiCalc.

According to what I've read, Kapor became interested in TM going on to
teach it in Cambridge, Massachusetts, where he also worked as a computer
programmer.

He went on to become a millionaire selling software. Apparently TM really
was good for him, even though he apparently didn't really understand it
at the time.

He later became a Buddhist and joined a cult in San Francisco where he
meditates for hours at a time. Go figure.

Read more:

'Accidental Empires'
How the Boys of Silicon Valley Make Their Millions, Battle Foreign 
Competition, and Still Can't Get a Date

Robert X. Cringely
Addison-Wesley, 1996, p95

On 9/19/2013 11:01 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
>  I never met Kapor though he was on the west coast panel for the
> "Computer Bowl" I attended in the 1990s.  But he was one of many
> shakers and movers in the tech world there.  Bill Gates co-emceed.




On 09/18/2013 05:19 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:

Mitchell Kapor, Founder of Lotus Software on TM

Tricycle: It seems that the material you’ve been involved with has 
addressed internal and external freedom and an entrenched wariness 
of authoritarian rule. Is this perspective influenced or affirmed by 
your experience with the Maharishi? [His full name is Maharishi 
Mahesh Yogi.]


Kapor: My dislike for authoritarian structures goes back as far as I 
can remember in my childhood. If I could remember past lives, I’m 
sure my memories would extend there too. But my experiences in 
Transcendental Meditation ultimately really deepened my commitment 
to anti-authoritarianism.


Tricycle: How did you get involved in TM?

Kapor: Well, my experience was typical for my generation. I had 
gotten to college in the 60′s and started experimenting with 
marijuana and psychedelics, fairly heavily. I had some distressing 
experiences with LSD. Bad trips. So I stopped doing drugs and then 
started getting acid flashbacks. I decided to give meditation a 
serious try to see if that could have some calming effect. I got 
hooked in to TM and eventually made the decision to go through 
advanced training to become an initiator, an instructor.


Tricycle: How long did you stay involved with TM?

Kapor: I was involved for seven years. It all ultimately came to a 
head in 1976. The movement went into a new phase and Maharishi 
started talking about siddhis, powers, and techniques for doing 
levitation and other things. This created so much cognitive 
dissonance in me that I didn’t know what to do. I had to find out if 
it was real or not, and I wanted to believe that it was real, but 
something in me said that it couldn’t possibly be real. People 
weren’t really going to levitate. So I went to Switzerland for the 
sixth-month course on "powers."


I went and I fell apart. They were using us as experimental 
subjects. There was fasting involved and various austerities that 
come out of Hindu traditions, enemas and various bizarre food 
combining rituals. A lot of madness got released.


After five months of this I said whatever problems I might or might 
not have, TM is not making them better, it is making them worse and 
I decided to leave. This was like leaving everything, because I had 
severed all of my other ties and relations: no job, no career, no 
marriage and no prospects. I got up in the middle of the night and 
walked to the train station. I felt like I was crossing from slavery 
into freedom, from one intolerable situation into the great unknown.


By the way, no one really levitates. I fully satisfied myself as to 
that.


http://www.kapor.com/writing/tricycle-interview/

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[Richard J. Williams]

Oh, I get it now - Mitch Kapor took a TTC and taught TM in Cambridge
and THEN took a 'Six Month Course' on how to be a "Governor of the
Age of Enlightenment" so he could learn the siddhis. When he found
out he couldn't fly, he quit the program and joined a Buddhist cult.

Go figure.

On 9/19/2013 11:59 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
It wasn't a TTC - it was the proverbial Six Month Course for TM 
teachers to get the siddhis and become Governors of the Age of 
Enlightenment.


Maybe you should go to the same community college where Willy Tex is 
planning to take reading comprehension courses.




*From:* Bhairitu 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:05 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

If Kapor was on an AE course he probably WASN'T on any six month TTC.  
He probably was on one of those shorter course that were only 3 months 
and I think there were a few early one's even shorter (like one month).


On 09/19/2013 08:03 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:

So, Mitch Kapor signed up for a six month course to be a TM Teacher.

Isn't he the guy that invented Lotus 123?

I've always wondered what drives some people to do this - why in
the world would it take six moths out of someone's life to learn
TM and memorize a simple initiation puja?

It takes only a few minutes to teach someone how to meditate.

Go figure.

Wouldn't you have to be somewhat strange to think you could just
take off for six months from your family and your job to sit around
and meditate in Switzerland?

And then, after walking out on the yoga camp, switch over to join
a Buddhist cult and get interviewed by Tricycle. Go figure.

On 9/19/2013 7:08 AM, Share Long wrote:

[FairfieldLife] RE: On Being An Eagle

[waspaligap]

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck

[Richard J. Williams]

This is progress - at least Judy is calling me by my real name now
instead of calling to me as a 'willytex' which is my email address.

It might be a good time to review the word Troll:

Definition

Troll - A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses.

Note: The term 'Internet Troll' is frequently abused to slander opponents
in heated debates and is frequently misapplied by those who are ignorant
of Internet etiquette.

Description

Trolls are sometimes caricatured as socially inept. This is often due to the
fundamental attribution error, as it is impossible to know the real 
traits of

an individual solely from their online discourse. Indeed, since intentional
trolls are alleged to knowingly flout social boundaries, it is difficult to
typecast them as socially inept since they have arguably proven adept at
their goal.

Adapted from:

Internet troll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

On 9/19/2013 12:01 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


*Richard wrote:*

*
*

*(snip)*

Troll - A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses.


*Or to cause confusion. Exactly.*

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck

[authfriend]

[FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 09/19/2013 09:38 AM, punditster wrote:
> >
> > Bhairitu:
> > > I also thought it was crazy that they tested people
> > > for the checking notes and puja memorization when
> > > rounds were at the high point...
> > >
> > When on a meditation course to become TM teachers I
> > would think that as prospective teachers you'd be
> > checked every day at least.
> 
> To attend TTC you had to have passed the checking notes. 
> By the time I went to TTC I had checked over 200 people.  
> This wasn't the attendee getting checked, Richard. It 
> was testing you for the notes.  

While I agree with your earlier point: "What were
they *thinking* having people both learn and be
tested on the checking notes while doing 6-8 
rounds per day?," I have to correct you. On *later*
course you might have been required to learn the
checking notes before you attended the course. But
on earlier courses (e.g., mine, Mallorca-Fiuggi '72)
you had to both learn and be tested on the checking
notes while doing this much meditation per day. 

Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[Michael Jackson]

I am sure I have cognitive overload or dissonance or something from all the 
years I did TM, I missed you working for the Movement - when and where did work 
for them? And did you enjoy it?





 From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
 


  
And you too, MJ, are a fine fella.  I never actually saw, or met, Maharishi, 
and stopped working for his org in 1982. I did watch a LOT of tapes and read 
his Gita translation several times. Probably went on twenty Residence Courses. 
Practiced the TMSP from 1980 to 1993-ish. Did TM from 1975, on. Other than 
that, it has just been plain hard work, discrimination, and focus. My rosy 
colored glasses fell off at some point along the way, and I don't wear 
contacts, either.:-)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


I suggest you read the interview and then make comments - as much as I like 
Doc, he is still wearing rosy colored glasses where maree-chee and company are 
concerned. But he's a fine feller anyway.





 From: "awoelflebater@..." 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:42 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
 


  
 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>
>
>Jesus, you people! Let's shoot the messenger - Kapor realized what was being 
>offered was not what was advertised. He put all his hopes and dreams into 
>Marshy and his bogus teachings and went on straighten himself out and become a 
>mover and shaker in computer and internet technology. I take my hat off to 
>him. No reason to revile him and his experience just because he tells it like 
>it is.
>
>
>I don't revile anyone for leaving the Movement or who became disillusioned or 
>even bitter about their experience there. I was just making a general 
>statement about naive expectations when it comes to those who expect the world 
>for very little effort. I didn't even read the interview, I was addressing 
>what the Doc was saying.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "awoelflebater@..." 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:36 PM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
> 
>
>
>  
> 
>
>
>
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>>
>>
>>Interesting that these people that get so bent out of shape about TM, are the 
>>ones that put all their eggs in that one basket, expecting Easter, and candy 
>>treats from then on. It's a technique, people, not some panacea for life 
>>itself. It doesn't stop the hard work being done, or the sometimes 
>>uncomfortable looking at ourselves in the mirror. WTF did you expect? No free 
>>lunch on this planet, no matter who you are, or what you do.
>>
>>
>>Absolutely Doc. I have been wanting to say this for a long time now and you 
>>just did - perfectly. If someone is let down, disappointed, left feeling 
>>cheated or bereft then look to yourselves, people. There is no magic pill for 
>>happiness, fulfillment or anything else and if you think MMY indicated this 
>>then you read it all wrong. Great things come with great effort. Period. You 
>>have to spend years, sweat buckets, will yourself silly and desire it with 
>>everything you've got. And this is just the start. Anything that comes too 
>>easily is either not worth it or will not be appreciated for what it truly 
>>is. People need to stop whining, take responsibility for being naive. You 
>>should have doubted MMY if you felt he indicated heaven would be yours by 
>>merely closing your eyes twice a day for 20 mins. It could never be so and if 
>>you believed it you have only yourself to blame. 
>>
>>
>>
>>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Mitchell Kapor, Founder of Lotus Software on TM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Tricycle: It seems that the material you’ve been involved with has 
addressed internal and external freedom and an entrenched wariness of 
authoritarian rule. Is this perspective influenced or affirmed by your 
experience with the Maharishi? [His full name is Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.]
>>>
>>>
>>>Kapor: My dislike for authoritarian structures goes back as far as I 
can remember in my childhood. If I could remember past lives, I’m sure 
my memories would extend there too. But my experiences in Transcendental 
Meditation ultimately really deepened my commitment to 
anti-authoritarianism.
>>>
>>>
>>>Tricycle: How did you get involved in TM?
>>>
>>>
>>>Kapor: Well, my experience was typical for my generation. I had 
gotten to college in the 60′s and started experimenting with marijuana 
and psychedelics, fairly heavily. I had some distressing experiences 
with LSD. Bad trips. So I stopped doing drugs and then started getting 
acid flashbacks. I decided to give meditation a serious try to see if 
that could have some calming effect. I got hooked in to TM and 
ev

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck

[authfriend]

[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck

[authfriend]

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[Michael Jackson]

It wasn't a TTC - it was the proverbial Six Month Course for TM teachers to get 
the siddhis and become Governors of the Age of Enlightenment. 

Maybe you should go to the same community college where Willy Tex is planning 
to take reading comprehension courses.





 From: Bhairitu 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
 


  
If Kapor was on an AE course he probably WASN'T on any six month TTC.  He 
probably was on one of those shorter course that were only 3 months and I think 
there were a few early one's even shorter (like one month).

On 09/19/2013 08:03 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:

  
>So, Mitch Kapor signed up for a six month course to be a TM Teacher.
>
>Isn't he the guy that invented Lotus 123?
>
>I've always wondered what drives some people to do this -
  why in
>the world would it take six moths out of someone's life to
  learn
>TM and memorize a simple initiation puja? 
>
>It takes only a few minutes to teach someone how to
  meditate. 
>
>Go figure.
>
>Wouldn't you have to be somewhat strange to think you
  could just 
>take off for six months from your family and your job to
  sit around 
>and meditate in Switzerland? 
>
>And then, after walking out on the yoga camp, switch over
  to join 
>a Buddhist cult and get interviewed by Tricycle. Go
  figure.
>
>On 9/19/2013 7:08 AM, Share Long wrote:
>
>

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Mitchell Kapor

[Richard J. Williams]

Mitch Kapor developed the first spreadsheet for the IBM PC - VisiCalc.

According to what I've read, Kapor became interested in TM going on to
teach it in Cambridge, Massachusetts, where he also worked as a computer
programmer.

He went on to become a millionaire selling software. Apparently TM really
was good for him, even though he apparently didn't really understand it
at the time.

He later became a Buddhist and joined a cult in San Francisco where he
meditates for hours at a time. Go figure.

Read more:

'Accidental Empires'
How the Boys of Silicon Valley Make Their Millions, Battle Foreign 
Competition, and Still Can't Get a Date

Robert X. Cringely
Addison-Wesley, 1996, p95

On 9/19/2013 11:01 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
>  I never met Kapor though he was on the west coast panel for the
> "Computer Bowl" I attended in the 1990s.  But he was one of many
> shakers and movers in the tech world there.  Bill Gates co-emceed.




On 09/18/2013 05:19 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:

Mitchell Kapor, Founder of Lotus Software on TM

Tricycle: It seems that the material you’ve been involved with has 
addressed internal and external freedom and an entrenched wariness of 
authoritarian rule. Is this perspective influenced or affirmed by 
your experience with the Maharishi? [His full name is Maharishi 
Mahesh Yogi.]


Kapor: My dislike for authoritarian structures goes back as far as I 
can remember in my childhood. If I could remember past lives, I’m 
sure my memories would extend there too. But my experiences in 
Transcendental Meditation ultimately really deepened my commitment to 
anti-authoritarianism.


Tricycle: How did you get involved in TM?

Kapor: Well, my experience was typical for my generation. I had 
gotten to college in the 60′s and started experimenting with 
marijuana and psychedelics, fairly heavily. I had some distressing 
experiences with LSD. Bad trips. So I stopped doing drugs and then 
started getting acid flashbacks. I decided to give meditation a 
serious try to see if that could have some calming effect. I got 
hooked in to TM and eventually made the decision to go through 
advanced training to become an initiator, an instructor.


Tricycle: How long did you stay involved with TM?

Kapor: I was involved for seven years. It all ultimately came to a 
head in 1976. The movement went into a new phase and Maharishi 
started talking about siddhis, powers, and techniques for doing 
levitation and other things. This created so much cognitive 
dissonance in me that I didn’t know what to do. I had to find out if 
it was real or not, and I wanted to believe that it was real, but 
something in me said that it couldn’t possibly be real. People 
weren’t really going to levitate. So I went to Switzerland for the 
sixth-month course on "powers."


I went and I fell apart. They were using us as experimental subjects. 
There was fasting involved and various austerities that come out of 
Hindu traditions, enemas and various bizarre food combining rituals. 
A lot of madness got released.


After five months of this I said whatever problems I might or might 
not have, TM is not making them better, it is making them worse and I 
decided to leave. This was like leaving everything, because I had 
severed all of my other ties and relations: no job, no career, no 
marriage and no prospects. I got up in the middle of the night and 
walked to the train station. I felt like I was crossing from slavery 
into freedom, from one intolerable situation into the great unknown.


By the way, no one really levitates. I fully satisfied myself as to 
that.


http://www.kapor.com/writing/tricycle-interview/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[Bhairitu]

On 09/19/2013 09:38 AM, punditster wrote:




Bhairitu:
> I also thought it was crazy that they tested people
> for the checking notes and puja memorization when
> rounds were at the high point...
>
When on a meditation course to become TM teachers I
would think that as prospective teachers you'd be
checked every day at least.



To attend TTC you had to have passed the checking notes. By the time I 
went to TTC I had checked over 200 people.  This wasn't the attendee 
getting checked, Richard.  It was testing you for the notes.  We had to 
go check someone with a course leader making sure you didn't get even 
"one word" wrong.




If someone was "twitching uncontrollably", do you
think they'd pass a simple TM checking procedure?



Twitching is often just a blockage working it's way out.  Just like a 
muscle spasm.  The roughness on courses was more mental.




Go figure.

> On 09/19/2013 08:44 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > So during the course nothing substantive was done for
> > > these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more
> > > asanas or something?
> >
> > Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no
> > nothing in particular was really done. On larger
> > courses, they might have been referred to one of
> > the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors.
> >
> > But it was clear that no real effort was made to
> > help any of these people who were twitching
> > uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked
> > for all the world like Tourette syndrome or
> > worse, because the prevailing myth was always
> > "TM is 100% life supporting." No one was willing
> > to go up against that and add, "...for many
> > people, but for others, it may cause problems."
> >
> > Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this
> > commented on the "Blame the victim" mentality they
> > were exposed to. It was always, "What are YOU
> > doing wrong that this is happening to you? We
> > all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening."
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[Bhairitu]

I would say as high as 20% of the folks I knew at the Seattle TM center 
back in the day were running computer businesses.  If you have the right 
idea at the right time you are a winner.  Or may it is just predestined 
by the script of the play we're all in. :-D


On 09/19/2013 09:31 AM, punditster wrote:




Bhairitu:
> If Kapor was on an AE course he probably WASN'T on
> any six month TTC. He probably was on one of those
> shorter course that were only 3 months and I think
> there were a few early one's even shorter (like one
> month).
>
So, Mitch Kapor took a yoga course in Switzerland with
the Mahesh Yogi and became a teacher of TM and taught
TM in Cambridge.

Then, he invented Lotus 123 and founded the Lotus
Foundation and became a millionaire.

Not bad for practicing a few yoga poses and meditating
a few minutes a day!

> > So, Mitch Kapor signed up for a six month course to be a TM Teacher.
> >
> > Isn't he the guy that invented Lotus 123?
> >
> > I've always wondered what drives some people to do this - why in
> > the world would it take six moths out of someone's life to learn
> > TM and memorize a simple initiation puja?
> >
> > It takes only a few minutes to teach someone how to meditate.
> >
> > Go figure.
> >
> > Wouldn't you have to be somewhat strange to think you could just
> > take off for six months from your family and your job to sit around
> > and meditate in Switzerland?
> >
> > And then, after walking out on the yoga camp, switch over to join
> > a Buddhist cult and get interviewed by Tricycle. Go figure.
> >
> > On 9/19/2013 7:08 AM, Share Long wrote:
> >
>

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck

[Share Long]

Judy, I don't agree with you that Richard is a liar or troll or that I pander.





 From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was  I stand with U Buck
 


  
Actually he's a liar and a troll, whichever of his many handles he's using. But 
you go right ahead and pander to him anyway. Beggars can't be choosers.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Willytex, IMHO you are a brave and good soul. PS could it all be about having 
lots of handles? (-:





 From: Richard J. Williams 
To: Richard J. Williams  
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was  I stand with U Buck
 


  
So, it's all about Richard. Go figure:

I, Willytex, am truly sorry for ever lying to the discussion
  group.

 I, Willytex, apologize to MJ for calling him an idiot. 


On 9/18/2013 10:17 AM, awoelflebater@... wrote:
>Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might consider 
>apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody then Judy might 
>consider apologizing to Share. When Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might 
>consider apologizing to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a 
>higher price.
>
  
> 
>
>
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>
>
>Judy called five people liars - it's a pattern. Judy should be
>taken to task for this offense - Barry, Steve, Richard,
Buck
>and Share should insist on a retraction and an apology.
>
>So, we can see that half of the regular respondents on
this
>list have been smeared by Judy for no good reason. It's
>time to put a stop to the MGs.
>
>Stand up for your rights!
>
>
>Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might consider 
>apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody then Judy might 
>consider apologizing to Share. When Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might 
>consider apologizing to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a 
>higher price.
>
>
>
>
>On 9/17/2013 2:27 PM, sharelong60@... wrote:
>>> Judy, you began by calling Buck a liar and
saying he lied. Then that 
>>morphed into wrong and bliss ninny. That's what I
mean by backpedaling 
>>and that's why I thought you had changed your mind. 



 

RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[doctordumbass]

[FairfieldLife] RE: One more mangled link test

[authfriend]

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck

[Richard J. Williams]

So, why would anyone want to pander to a discussion group full of liars,
attention trolls and supporters of poor beggar Hindu pundit boys?

Maybe it's time to review trolling:

Troll - A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses.

Note: The term 'Internet Troll' is frequently abused to slander opponents
in heated debates and is frequently misapplied by those who are ignorant
of Internet etiquette.


On 9/19/2013 10:58 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Actually he's a liar and a troll, whichever of his many handles
> he's using. But you go right ahead and pander to him anyway.
>  Beggars can't be choosers.


Actually he's a liar and a troll, whichever of his many handles he's 
using. But you go right ahead and pander to him anyway. Beggars can't 
be choosers.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  
wrote:


Willytex, IMHO you are a brave and good soul. PS could it all be about 
having lots of handles? (-:




*From:* Richard J. Williams 
*To:* Richard J. Williams 
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:36 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck

So, it's all about Richard. Go figure:

I, Willytex, am truly sorry for ever lying to the discussion group.

 I, Willytex, apologize to MJ for calling him an idiot.

On 9/18/2013 10:17 AM, awoelflebater@...
 wrote:
Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might
consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody
then Judy might consider apologizing to Share. When Share
apologizes to Robin then Judy might consider apologizing to Steve.
An apology to Barry, however, might extract a higher price.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, 
 
 wrote:


Judy called five people liars - it's a pattern. Judy should be
taken to task for this offense - Barry, Steve, Richard, Buck
and Share should insist on a retraction and an apology.

So, we can see that half of the regular respondents on this
list have been smeared by Judy for no good reason. It's
time to put a stop to the MGs.

Stand up for your rights!

Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might 
consider apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody then 
Judy might consider apologizing to Share. When Share apologizes to 
Robin then Judy might consider apologizing to Steve. An apology to 
Barry, however, might extract a higher price.




On 9/17/2013 2:27 PM, sharelong60@...  wrote:
> Judy, you began by calling Buck a liar and saying he lied. Then
that
morphed into wrong and bliss ninny. That's what I mean by
backpedaling
and that's why I thought you had changed your mind. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck

[punditster]

After a little research, we may have to add a few 
respondents to the list of people Judy has accused 
of lying: Sal, Curtis, Vaj, salyavin, azgrey, 
navashok, PaliGap, Nabby, irentea, and Xeno. 

And tht's just FFL for year! Go figure.

Share Long  wrote:
>
> Richard, you've made me LOL and feel good so many times so thank you. And I 
> think I've gotten inured to the range of comments on FFL. Anyway, today seems 
> to be all about motorbikes rather than apologies (-:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Richard J. Williams 
> To: Richard J. Williams  
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:56 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Buck Lied, was  I stand with U Buck
>  
> 
> 
>   
> Judy called five people liars - it's a pattern. Judy should be
> taken to task for this offense - Barry, Steve, Richard, Buck
> and Share should insist on a retraction and an apology.
> 
> So, we can see that half of the regular respondents on this
> list have been smeared by Judy for no good reason. It's
> time to put a stop to the MGs.
> 
> Stand up for your rights!
> 
> On 9/17/2013 2:27 PM, sharelong60@... wrote:
> > Judy, you began by calling Buck a liar and saying he lied. Then that 
> morphed into wrong and bliss ninny. That's what I mean by backpedaling 
> and that's why I thought you had changed your mind.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[punditster]

Bhairitu:
> I also thought it was crazy that they tested people 
> for the checking notes and puja memorization when 
> rounds were at the high point...
>
When on a meditation course to become TM teachers I
would think that as prospective teachers you'd be 
checked every day at least. 

If someone was "twitching uncontrollably", do you
think they'd pass a simple TM checking procedure?

Go figure.
 
> On 09/19/2013 08:44 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > So during the course nothing substantive was done for
> > > these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more
> > > asanas or something?
> >
> > Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no
> > nothing in particular was really done. On larger
> > courses, they might have been referred to one of
> > the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors.
> >
> > But it was clear that no real effort was made to
> > help any of these people who were twitching
> > uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked
> > for all the world like Tourette syndrome or
> > worse, because the prevailing myth was always
> > "TM is 100% life supporting." No one was willing
> > to go up against that and add, "...for many
> > people, but for others, it may cause problems."
> >
> > Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this
> > commented on the "Blame the victim" mentality they
> > were exposed to. It was always, "What are YOU
> > doing wrong that this is happening to you? We
> > all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening."
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Navy Gunman Spent Night in Massachusetts Buddhist Temple

[Bhairitu]

I'm waiting for the day one of these folks gets into a boardroom and 
wipes out a bunch of banksters. There will be block parties all over the 
US if that happens and of course the MSM telling people they shouldn't 
celebrate it.  All these people do now is wipe out innocent folks.


This guy was on drugs, prescription drugs.  I also read he had a sleep 
disorder.  Believe me if you deprived anyone on FFL of sleep after a 
while they would start acting strange too.  America is so stupid when it 
comes to mental health.


On 09/19/2013 05:34 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:


The former Navy reservist who authorities say killed 12 people at the 
Washington Navy Yard visited a Buddhist temple in Massachusetts last 
month where he talked about noises in his head.


Eang Tan, a board member at the Thai Buddhist temple in Raynham, says 
Aaron Alexis visited the house of worship on Aug. 18.


Tan tells the Taunton Daily Gazette ( http://bit.ly/15F2Iz4 ) that as 
soon as temple officials recognized Alexis on TV newscasts after 
Monday's shooting, they contacted police.


Tan says Alexis addressed temple members in fluent Thai and asked for 
a place to spend the night. When they asked why he didn't go to a 
hotel, Tan says Alexis said couldn't sleep in a hotel because of the 
noises in his head.


Tan says Alexis spent one night, then left.

-

Good thing the Buddhists helped him out, without alerting mental 
health authorities. That way, a month later, he was able to fulfill 
his earthly desire of mass murder. Way to go, Buddhists! Help all 
sentient beings - well, one out of twelve, anyway.

[FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[punditster]

Bhairitu:
> If Kapor was on an AE course he probably WASN'T on 
> any six month TTC. He probably was on one of those 
> shorter course that were only 3 months and I think 
> there were a few early one's even shorter (like one 
> month).
> 
So, Mitch Kapor took a yoga course in Switzerland with 
the Mahesh Yogi and became a teacher of TM and taught 
TM in Cambridge. 

Then, he invented Lotus 123 and founded the Lotus 
Foundation and became a millionaire. 

Not bad for practicing a few yoga poses and meditating 
a few minutes a day!

> > So, Mitch Kapor signed up for a six month course to be a TM Teacher.
> >
> > Isn't he the guy that invented Lotus 123?
> >
> > I've always wondered what drives some people to do this - why in
> > the world would it take six moths out of someone's life to learn
> > TM and memorize a simple initiation puja?
> >
> > It takes only a few minutes to teach someone how to meditate.
> >
> > Go figure.
> >
> > Wouldn't you have to be somewhat strange to think you could just
> > take off for six months from your family and your job to sit around
> > and meditate in Switzerland?
> >
> > And then, after walking out on the yoga camp, switch over to join
> > a Buddhist cult and get interviewed by Tricycle. Go figure.
> >
> > On 9/19/2013 7:08 AM, Share Long wrote:
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] RE: Are we living in the end times?

[s3raphita]

Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck

[Share Long]

That was me expressing the gap!





 From: Share Long 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was  I stand with U Buck
 


  




 From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:18 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was  I stand with U Buck
 


  
It's not a matter of opinion, I'm afraid, that Richard is a liar and a troll.

As to your pandering, we could also call it brown-nosing, sucking up to, or 
fawning over.

 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Judy, I don't agree with you that Richard is a liar or troll or that I pander.





 From: "authfriend@..." 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was  I stand with U Buck
 


  
Actually he's a liar and a troll, whichever of his many handles he's using. But 
you go right ahead and pander to him anyway. Beggars can't be choosers.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>
>
>Willytex, IMHO you are a brave and good soul. PS could it all be about having 
>lots of handles? (-:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Richard J. Williams 
>To: Richard J. Williams  
>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was  I stand with U Buck
> 
>
>
>  
>So, it's all about Richard. Go figure:
>
>I, Willytex, am truly sorry for ever lying to the discussion
  group.
>
> I, Willytex, apologize to MJ for calling him an idiot. 
>
>
>On 9/18/2013 10:17 AM, awoelflebater@... wrote:
>>Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might consider 
>>apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody then Judy might 
>>consider apologizing to Share. When Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might 
>>consider apologizing to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a 
>>higher price.
>>
>  
>> 
>>
>>
>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>>
>>
>>Judy called five people liars - it's a pattern. Judy should be
>>taken to task for this offense - Barry, Steve, Richard,
Buck
>>and Share should insist on a retraction and an apology.
>>
>>So, we can see that half of the regular respondents on
this
>>list have been smeared by Judy for no good reason. It's
>>time to put a stop to the MGs.
>>
>>Stand up for your rights!
>>
>>
>>Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might consider 
>>apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody then Judy might 
>>consider apologizing to Share. When Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might 
>>consider apologizing to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a 
>>higher price.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 9/17/2013 2:27 PM, sharelong60@... wrote:
 Judy, you began by calling Buck a liar and
saying he lied. Then that 
>>>morphed into wrong and bliss ninny. That's what I
mean by backpedaling 
>>>and that's why I thought you had changed your mind. 
>
>
>




 

Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck

[Share Long]

 From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:18 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was  I stand with U Buck
 


  
It's not a matter of opinion, I'm afraid, that Richard is a liar and a troll.

As to your pandering, we could also call it brown-nosing, sucking up to, or 
fawning over.

 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:


Judy, I don't agree with you that Richard is a liar or troll or that I pander.





 From: "authfriend@..." 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was  I stand with U Buck
 


  
Actually he's a liar and a troll, whichever of his many handles he's using. But 
you go right ahead and pander to him anyway. Beggars can't be choosers.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>
>
>Willytex, IMHO you are a brave and good soul. PS could it all be about having 
>lots of handles? (-:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Richard J. Williams 
>To: Richard J. Williams  
>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was  I stand with U Buck
> 
>
>
>  
>So, it's all about Richard. Go figure:
>
>I, Willytex, am truly sorry for ever lying to the discussion
  group.
>
> I, Willytex, apologize to MJ for calling him an idiot. 
>
>
>On 9/18/2013 10:17 AM, awoelflebater@... wrote:
>>Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might consider 
>>apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody then Judy might 
>>consider apologizing to Share. When Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might 
>>consider apologizing to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a 
>>higher price.
>>
>  
>> 
>>
>>
>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:
>>
>>
>>Judy called five people liars - it's a pattern. Judy should be
>>taken to task for this offense - Barry, Steve, Richard,
Buck
>>and Share should insist on a retraction and an apology.
>>
>>So, we can see that half of the regular respondents on
this
>>list have been smeared by Judy for no good reason. It's
>>time to put a stop to the MGs.
>>
>>Stand up for your rights!
>>
>>
>>Dear Richard, if you apologize to MJ then I am sure Judy might consider 
>>apologizing to Buck. When Barry apologizes to everybody then Judy might 
>>consider apologizing to Share. When Share apologizes to Robin then Judy might 
>>consider apologizing to Steve. An apology to Barry, however, might extract a 
>>higher price.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 9/17/2013 2:27 PM, sharelong60@... wrote:
 Judy, you began by calling Buck a liar and
saying he lied. Then that 
>>>morphed into wrong and bliss ninny. That's what I
mean by backpedaling 
>>>and that's why I thought you had changed your mind. 
>
>
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Mitchell Kapor's diet, was Mitchell Kapor

[punditster]

Share Long:
> Anyway, maybe Werner had it right all along and we're
> just tubes and it's all about eating healthy food and
> having healthy poops!
>
Yeah, I'm on a roll today - must be that enema I took!

"Eat right, to keep fit." - Adele Davis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelle_Davis


 




> > So during the course nothing substantive was done for these folks?
> >
> Apparently the folks were told to take an enema and get some rest
> and
> try to take it easy for a few days. Go figure.
>
> > I mean beyond telling them to do more asanas or something?
> >
> What would you do - call the EMS and have them taken away by men
> in white coats, just because they didn't like the food? LoL!
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Good Reason to cancel Verizon

[Bhairitu]

Then you must not have read the article.  He was effectively saying "do 
what the government says."


On 09/18/2013 06:34 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:


 Such b.s.


You know that whatever this current stupid CEO

said is NOT why Mr. A. Hitler came to power.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  
wrote:


A company president like this is why Hitler was able to come to power.
http://rt.com/news/verizon-president-customer-centric-015/

Mr. Stratton wants you all to be good little sheeple and obey the
government. And of course buy all the shit he sells too. Glad I left
Veri$on last year.

RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Buck Lied, was I stand with U Buck

[authfriend]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Surviving Whole Foods

[Bhairitu]

The key at supermarkets is to shop the outer areas.  That's where the 
whole foods are.  The rest is really just scams of processed foods to 
line some rich ass's pocket while short changing you on nutrition.


And the packaged foods keep getting smaller while produce which can't 
get smaller gets more expensive.  They are trying to cover up the 
inflation is happening.  By making the packages smaller they don't have 
to raise the price which people would notice.


On 09/18/2013 04:49 PM, punditster wrote:


Bhairitu:
> And many here are now old farts and once you hit your sixties
> the old jalopy stops working so well.
>
Sometimes I wonder what other people are eating at home - I see
what others have in their baskets at Albertson's or at Safeway
and it's just astounding the things they buy for their families.

There's Rita at Whole Foods today:



We're talking cases of soda and dozens of boxes of refined foods;
lots of chips and candy for the kids, and of course beer. One lady
I was behind had her cart piled so high she could hardly manage.

It cost her $464 in cash!

Me, I shop at Whole Foods mainly for bulk items like oats, organic
brown rice and other items from the bulk section.

several We get most of
our fresh produce locally.

We don't buy many paper goods and packaged stuff like expensive
imported foods - we like to cook most of our stuff from scratch.

Being on a low fat low carb diet has saved us lot's of money!

We go to the Whole Foods Market about once a month in the van
so we can load up. Most people's problem with the food (other
than the junk food) is the storage space - you can keep much
fresh food in a small fridge or apartment. Here we've got the
freezer in the garage and a second fridge out there too.

I'll never forget having to walk to grocer every day to get food
when I was living in England - you get your meat from the meat
market; your milk from the dairy; your veggies from the produce
market; and you get your cigs at the tobacco shop. LoL!

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] TIME cover story

[authfriend]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor

[punditster]

> > So during the course nothing substantive was done 
> > for these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do 
> > more asanas or something?
> >
turquoiseb:
> twitching uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked
> for all the world like Tourette syndrome or worse
>
It's a little difficult to diagnose these kinds of 
problems, even if you are a psychiatrist or an MD.

What could go wrong with a guy that one minute is 
sitting quietly in his room meditating and the next 
minute he is "twitching uncontrollably" in public?

Or, what would anyone make of a guy that just spent 
ten hours napping in bed and then at a meeting, he
suddenly breaks out shouting curse words at his 
roommates?

I'm not a doctor but I'd probably think there was 
some kind of preexisting condition and look into 
that first, before I put the blame on a poor Hindu
guy who was just trying to help you sleep.

Where is Dr. Pete when we need him?

 
> Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no
> nothing in particular was really done. On larger
> courses, they might have been referred to one of
> the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors. 
> 
> But it was clear that no real effort was made to
> help any of these people who were twitching 
> uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked
> for all the world like Tourette syndrome or 
> worse, because the prevailing myth was always
> "TM is 100% life supporting." No one was willing
> to go up against that and add, "...for many 
> people, but for others, it may cause problems."
> 
> Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this
> commented on the "Blame the victim" mentality they
> were exposed to. It was always, "What are YOU 
> doing wrong that this is happening to you? We
> all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening."
> 
> > 
> >  From: turquoiseb 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:15 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: RE: Mitchell Kapor
> >  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, I wasn't there - but from what I have heard of the heavy
> > unstressing on many courses, it doesn't sound like there was an
> > effective means or program in place to assist those who were going
> > through stuff. If there was I would like to know that and to know what
> > things were put into place to assist people going through the
> > unstressing. Such a thing would make me think more highly of the
> > Movement than I do now.
> > 
> > I was on quite a few courses on which participants suffered from
> > "heavy unstressing." ALL of the most severe cases I saw occur
> > were dealt with using the same "NOPA solution."
> > 
> > That is, if none of the standard repeated cliches helped to resolve
> > the problem, the person suffering from the "heavy unstressing"
> > was sent home, and everyone wiped their hands and said "Not
> > Our Problem Anymore."
> > 
> > > 
> > >  From: Steve Sundur steve.sundur@
> > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:51 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > > Hey Mikey.  How you livin'.  Listen, I was on the six month
> > course.  The first one actually, where the experimentation was
> > rampant.  Enemas, diet control, (or at least many theories to
> > consider).  Rick was on that course too.  I guess for Mitch, it
> > wasn't his cup of tea, so he left.  I think he may have been on a
> > later course.  Or at least I don't remember him on my course.
> > > Â
> > > But I thoroughly enjoyed it, and felt I gained much from it.  I
> > think what Jim is saying, (and really, I just skimmed it), is that if
> > there is such thing as a spiritual path, and you choose to be on it,
> > that as you move along that path, and you will have to clear
> > away any wreckage.Â
> > > Â
> > > Now probably, many times you may progress a certain amount, and then
> > decide to take a break.  And of course, so what if you do.Â
> > > Â
> > > I don't know what on with Mitch, other than he felt he got all he
> > could from the program and then moved on -Â  either with prejudice or
> > without prejudice.
> > > Â
> > > I think that's what Jim is saying.  But at some point, if you
> > decide to take up the path again, in a more focused way, then you may
> > well have to engage in some heavy lifting again.
> > > Â
> > > P.S. My favorite part of that course was the hours of reading the
> > Upanishads.  More interesting (and enjoyable) than the Rig Veda
> > readings.Â
> > > Â
> > > P.S.S.  The food was...excellent!!
> > >
> > > From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@
> > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:09 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
> > >
> > > Â
> > > Kapor didn't say he was looking

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor

[Bhairitu]

If Kapor was on an AE course he probably WASN'T on any six month TTC.  
He probably was on one of those shorter course that were only 3 months 
and I think there were a few early one's even shorter (like one month).


On 09/19/2013 08:03 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:


So, Mitch Kapor signed up for a six month course to be a TM Teacher.

Isn't he the guy that invented Lotus 123?

I've always wondered what drives some people to do this - why in
the world would it take six moths out of someone's life to learn
TM and memorize a simple initiation puja?

It takes only a few minutes to teach someone how to meditate.

Go figure.

Wouldn't you have to be somewhat strange to think you could just
take off for six months from your family and your job to sit around
and meditate in Switzerland?

And then, after walking out on the yoga camp, switch over to join
a Buddhist cult and get interviewed by Tricycle. Go figure.

On 9/19/2013 7:08 AM, Share Long wrote: