[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Polyamory - For Those Who Care

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I think I'm ready to call it a cult. 

 I'd say it definitely has a "nudist camp, swinger vibe" to it, this "noble" 
bill of rights, notwithstanding.  (-:
 

 Maybe the rule of 3's does apply.  
 

 I think those that have had reasonably successful marriages are not quite able 
to see how this all might work out. I certainly can't. It wouldn't be my 
preference because I know how hard it would be to give and to share an equal 
amount of love with two or more sexual partners. It is just a non starter for 
me. Perhaps those who have had failed marriages or many failed relationships 
gravitate to such arrangements. 
 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The female Derren Brown

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

  Re "Like the man and woman with him touching things and her drawing them. How 
did she do that?":

Search me. One possibility is that the camera crew following the old geezer can 
let her know what's being touched and she can then add subliminal suggestions 
in the chat she gives to his wife. (Don't forget we're seeing an *edited* 
version of what's going on.) 
 The rest of the series (another three episodes) is also posted on YouTube and 
the others are even stronger than this first one.
 

 Yes, like you, although I'm entertained by this kind of mind control it is 
also a bit worrying that people can be so easily manipulated without being 
consciously aware of it. Makes you wonder how far we're being controlled in our 
everyday lives.
 

 Derren Brown could rule the world if he wanted to. Maybe he already does. Did 
you see the one where he ran a management training course but trained them to 
commit armed robbery without them knowing? And they did it. How scary was that!
 

 And on the last Channel 4 show he did he worked out someone's mobile phone 
number by doing card tricks! Or the one where he strolled round town mugging 
people by politely asking them for directions and then asking for their car 
keys and wallets! I love this psychological manipulation stuff, it makes me 
think there's a key to people you can work out and then do what you like but 
I'll bet he just wants it to look like that.
 

 I also like to think that it wouldn't work on me, but don't have much 
confidence about that. Clearly we really are all half aware.
 

 I've only seen a bit of this K Mills video so far but the dwarf policeman 
stunt seemed like the sort of thing that can't be misinterpreted all that 
easily! You either guess it right or you don't...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So, you enjoy the kind of mind-control, mind-blowing tricks that Derren Brown 
has specialised in.
 

 But you're a FFLifer, so being such a sensitive soul you find Derren a little 
bit sinister. You sad bastard.
 

 But help is at hand. A new performer has appeared who matches Derren for the 
ingenuity of her trickery but the persona she projects is more your big sister 
with a warm heart. Her new series has been posted on YouTube if you're 
intrigued . . .
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccuCktbF3cU 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccuCktbF3cU

 

 There you go. I watched the whole thing. It appears we are very much 
influenced by all sorts of subliminal stimuli but some of the things were not 
clear to me why they worked the way they did even though she sort of explained 
it. Like the man and woman with him touching things and her drawing them. How 
did she do that? Anyway, thanks for the share, Seraphita.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rise of the Machines...

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Can you do it this fast?
 

 Hmm, seems like there's a knack to it that the rest of us haven't quite 
cracked yet!
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41PdsCbeJ-I 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41PdsCbeJ-I

[FairfieldLife] Re: It's the cult thinking, stupid!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Here, Bar, maybe we can turn this into a teaching moment. 

 Here's how its played out, and I'll use one of your favorite analogies, the 
frog in the increasing hot water.
 

 You used to be a rather pleasant bloke, at least I found you to be so, but 
over time, (years actually), your postings became more and more, well, abusive.
 

 See, you may not have noticed it, but most everyone else did.
 

 And it got, actually, has gotten to the point, where you've become just one 
crazy, button pushing machine.
 

 Now, maybe you think that's pretty cool, and there are some here who would be 
in agreement with that.
 

 But for the most part, it's now pretty much observed as boorish behavior.
 

 So, do with that what you will. (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I hope I've made my point to lurkers and those with somewhat open minds. 

 

 All I had to do was use a little colorful language to describe Maharishi, and 
the four extreme cultists on this forum went fucking crazy attacking me. 

 

 I suggest that what Richard Williams, Jim Flanegin, Ann, and Steve have done 
in response to that is some of the purest CULT BEHAVIOR I've ever seen. 

 

 It follows a pattern I've been trying to document on this forum since I 
arrived on it, a tendency to react to anyone who criticizes, makes fun of, or 
(worst) shows zero respect for the person they're guru-whipped by with anger, 
hatred, and a dedicated attempt to "get" them. 

 

 Richard has demonstrated a willingness to lie to do this, signing my name to 
things I didn't write. Jim has demonstrated a willingness to stalk me on the 
Internet to find photos that he can then crop and caption to make them look 
more sinister, and Ann and Steve have demonstrated that they'll pounce on any 
subject (in this most recent case, polyamory) that allows them to "get Barry."
 

 Did I provoke these people by intentionally pushing their buttons? 

 

 You betcha. I wanted to put their reactivity -- and the nature of it -- on 
display. 

 

 I think I succeeded. These four people, more than anything else, demonstrate 
why I consider TM a cult, and FFL a cult forum. These people were all TRAINED 
to act like this. 

 

 You may not like my tactics -- or me -- very much, but please watch these four 
in the future. They will probably continue to attack me, but watch how they 
treat *others* who dare to criticize Maharishi or TMers. They'll use the same 
tactics. If I've helped even a few people to see this, then I've succeeded. 

 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to Maharishi Mahesh

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

I've heard something along those liens also, becuase, well, Maharishi couldn't 
possibly be getting old because he's 100.00...% enlightened, and 
enlightened people never grow old. 

 As I said, lots of TMers, especially TM teachers, never really listened to MMY 
when he said thigns about how no-one is ever fully enlgihtened or that the 
state of world consciosuenss precludes anyone from become as enlightened as 
people were in the distant (Golden Age™) past and that therefore anything MMY 
ever said was necessarily limited and imperfect.
 

 

 It's sorta like the Christians who ignore Jesus' observation that everyone has 
"fallen short of the Glory of God. There is none perfect -no, not one."
 

 They always add "except Me" because Jesus couldn't possibly have been saying 
that HE was imperfect...
 

 Other Christians justify the phrase by saying that once he was resurrected, he 
was automatically perfect, so there.
 

 I've heard TM teachers discuss how Gurudev was the reincarnation of John the 
Baptist while MMY was the reincarnation of Jesus.
 

 It's pretty remarkable, all the stuff people say to themselves to justify 
ceasing to think for themselves, no matter what.
 

 L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Barry's new toy.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Actually, I've run into four or five fairly well-known and respected 
meditation teachers who believed that the only thing that explained Maharishi's 
degeneration *was* being possessed. Go figure. 

 From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 8:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to 
Maharishi Mahesh
 
 
   
 You mean Maharishi was possessed?  Who would have thunk it? :-D 
 
 On 11/26/2014 08:40 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
 
   As a follow up to Tormod's post. By Hans Bruncken
 Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to Maharishi Mahes
 
 
 
 
 Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to Maha... A Story told by the 
Maharaja of Kanju Singh Deo in 1974 to Hans Bruncken.


 
 View on www.youtube.com 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann - do your dogs look to the right?

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Their right, of course - as it is their left brain that's going into action 
when they respond with understanding. 

 I wonder if you have subconsciously noticed the response even if you haven't 
registered it on the conscious level.
 

 I knew that, I was just joking with you. But I will watch and report back.
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From The Telegraph:
 If you are worried that your dog is not paying attention to what you are 
saying simply look at where is he is staring.

 Dogs look to the right when they recognise familiar commands because they 
process the sound in a specific part of their brains which remembers that the 
sound is important.

 Researchers at the University of Sussex discovered that dogs respond to speech 
in much the same way as humans do, processing recognisable sounds in the left 
hemisphere of the brain. In contrast, unusual noises or speech,are processed in 
the right hemisphere of the brain.

 However due to cross-wiring in the brain, if a dog turns to the right it means 
the left side of the brain is processing the words and vice versa.

 Researchers looked at how dogs responded when their owners told them to ‘come 
on.’
 When presented with familiar spoken commands, in a usual tone, dogs showed a 
left-hemisphere processing bias and turned to the right, indicating that they 
recognised what was being said.
 However when the command was said in a different tone and speed, the dogs 
could no longer process it as a familiar sound and so looked to the left.
 

 Hmmm, my dogs look at me when I speak to them but I will check it out next 
time. I have four to keep track of so it might take me a day or two to get back 
at you. And are we talking about their right or my right?
 


 






 
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann - do your dogs look to the right?

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Their right, of course - as it is their left brain that's going into action 
when they respond with understanding. 

 I wonder if you have subconsciously noticed the response even if you haven't 
registered it on the conscious level.
 

 I knew that, I was just joking with you. But I will watch and report back.
 

 Sorry, I'm confused - Are you saying it is not their right, to turn right, but 
they will always not turn left, anyway?? Or left to their own, they would 
possibly make it their right, to not turn left?? Right?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From The Telegraph:
 If you are worried that your dog is not paying attention to what you are 
saying simply look at where is he is staring.

 Dogs look to the right when they recognise familiar commands because they 
process the sound in a specific part of their brains which remembers that the 
sound is important.

 Researchers at the University of Sussex discovered that dogs respond to speech 
in much the same way as humans do, processing recognisable sounds in the left 
hemisphere of the brain. In contrast, unusual noises or speech,are processed in 
the right hemisphere of the brain.

 However due to cross-wiring in the brain, if a dog turns to the right it means 
the left side of the brain is processing the words and vice versa.

 Researchers looked at how dogs responded when their owners told them to ‘come 
on.’
 When presented with familiar spoken commands, in a usual tone, dogs showed a 
left-hemisphere processing bias and turned to the right, indicating that they 
recognised what was being said.
 However when the command was said in a different tone and speed, the dogs 
could no longer process it as a familiar sound and so looked to the left.
 

 Hmmm, my dogs look at me when I speak to them but I will check it out next 
time. I have four to keep track of so it might take me a day or two to get back 
at you. And are we talking about their right or my right?
 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Polyamory - For Those Who Care

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Don't we all, for the most part, have that same attitude, "live and let live" 

 Fidelity in a relationship is important, even if it's not easy.
 

 You can call fidelity, possessiveness, but for most people, it just won't fly.
 

 We know what is fidelity, and we know is possessiveness.
 

 But if polyamory works for ya, have at it.
 

 All we do is offer opinions here.
 

 The kitchen gets hot this time of year.
 

 Take a step out, if it's too uncomfortable.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 I have very much a live and let live attitude.
 

 For *me* (just little old me) this whole scenario wouldn't tempt me as what 
they call "possessiveness" I would see as "loyalty". Different strokes for 
different folks.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 the advocates are quite open about these issues, and how they deal with them. 

 but it appears that much work is needed to overcome issues along these lines 
which inevitably come up.
 

 and then, after you work to resolve one issue along these lines, the same, or 
similar issue may come up, a day later, or a week later, and open up all the 
same wounds.
 

 at least that appears to be a likely scenario to me.
 

 human emotions tend to be pretty fragile, especially along the lines of 
physical intimacy
 

 I mean, do you really want to have your life interrupted by a continual rap 
session along the lines of, "I feel _"  and "Okay, I understand you feel 
", but "my needs are ".  "How can I be sure my needs 
are being met without disregarding your needs"  Hug. "Let's sleep on it"  "Good 
idea" (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re "Polyamorists cite the human tendency towards jealousy and possessiveness 
as major hurdles in polyamory, and also as personal limitations to overcome.": 

 Good luck with that one.
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Values[edit 
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polyamory&action=edit§ion=8] Main 
article: Values within polyamory 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Values_within_polyamory
 Fidelity and loyalty: Many polyamorists define fidelity not as sexual 
exclusivity, but as faithfulness to the promises and agreements made about a 
relationship. A secret sexual relationship that violates those accords would be 
seen as a breach of fidelity. Polyamorists generally base definitions of 
commitment on considerations other than sexual exclusivity, e.g. "trust and 
honesty" or "growing old together".[44] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-44 Communication and 
negotiation: Because there is no "standard model" for polyamorous 
relationships, and reliance upon common expectations may not be realistic, 
polyamorists often advocate explicitly negotiating with all involved to 
establish the terms of their relationships, and often emphasize that this 
should be an ongoing process of honest communication and respect. Polyamorists 
will usually take a pragmatic approach to their relationships; many accept that 
sometimes they and their partners will make mistakes and fail to live up to 
these ideals, and that communication is important for repairing any 
breaches.[45] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-polyoz_values-45[46] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-s.org-46 Trust, honesty, 
dignity, and respect: Most polyamorists emphasize respect, trust, and honesty 
for all partners.[45] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-polyoz_values-45[46] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-s.org-46 Ideally, a partner's 
partners are accepted as part of that person's life rather than merely 
tolerated, and usually a relationship that requires deception or a "don't ask 
don't tell" policy is seen as a less than ideal model. Boundaries and 
agreements: Poly relationships often involve negotiating agreements, and 
establishing specific boundaries, or "ground rules"; such agreements vary 
widely and may change over time, but could include, for example: consultation 
about new relationships; devising schedules that work for everyone; limits on 
physical displays of affection in public or among mixed company; and budgeting 
the amount of money a partner can spend on additional partners. Gender 
equality: Many polyamorists do not believe in different relationship "rules" 
based on gender http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_role, a point of contrast 
with some forms of religious non-monogamy, which are often patriarchically 
based. Commonly, however, couples first expanding an existing monogamous 
relationship into a polyamorous one, may adhere to gender-specific boundaries 
until all parties are comfortable with the new dynamic, such as when a wife 
agrees not to engage sexually with another male at her husband's request, but 
may be allowed to have romantic and sexual relationships with women. Such terms 
and boundaries are negotiable, and such asymmetric 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress'

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

>Pure consciousness becomes like any other object that you can put your 
>attention on or is in the background like background music when you deal with 
>the day to day.
 

Hmmm... I don't think I've heard Maharishi explain it that way. 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If all you experienced was pure consciousness you wouldn't be able to 
function.  Pure consciousness becomes like any other object that you can put 
your attention on or is in the background like background music when you deal 
with the day to day.
 
 On 11/26/2014 11:25 AM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
 
   Indeed. But all experiences, for an unenlightened person, take one away from 
pure consciousness.
 

 L
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Samskaras are "impressions".  Without them you wouldn't know anything! :-D 
 
 On 11/26/2014 09:25 AM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
 
   Doshas aren't stress, in Maharishi's eyes, as far as I know.
 

 Samskaras are stress.
 

 The term doṣa literally means "contamination" but I don't think that Maharishi 
ever used it in that sense. That is more a Buddhist thing to use doṣa to refer 
to lust, etc..
 
 
 L
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 Are you beginning to 'get' what MMY was talking about when he was talking 
about stress? Lust, Anger, Greed to name a few, (the doshas).
 
 These, are the sleeping elephants MMY used to talk about in the early days, 
IMHO.
 
 



 



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann - do your dogs look to the right?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Their right, of course - as it is their left brain that's going into action 
when they respond with understanding. 

 I wonder if you have subconsciously noticed the response even if you haven't 
registered it on the conscious level.
 

 I knew that, I was just joking with you. But I will watch and report back.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From The Telegraph:
 If you are worried that your dog is not paying attention to what you are 
saying simply look at where is he is staring.

 Dogs look to the right when they recognise familiar commands because they 
process the sound in a specific part of their brains which remembers that the 
sound is important.

 Researchers at the University of Sussex discovered that dogs respond to speech 
in much the same way as humans do, processing recognisable sounds in the left 
hemisphere of the brain. In contrast, unusual noises or speech,are processed in 
the right hemisphere of the brain.

 However due to cross-wiring in the brain, if a dog turns to the right it means 
the left side of the brain is processing the words and vice versa.

 Researchers looked at how dogs responded when their owners told them to ‘come 
on.’
 When presented with familiar spoken commands, in a usual tone, dogs showed a 
left-hemisphere processing bias and turned to the right, indicating that they 
recognised what was being said.
 However when the command was said in a different tone and speed, the dogs 
could no longer process it as a familiar sound and so looked to the left.
 

 Hmmm, my dogs look at me when I speak to them but I will check it out next 
time. I have four to keep track of so it might take me a day or two to get back 
at you. And are we talking about their right or my right?
 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: It's the cult thinking, stupid!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

what's the word I'm looking for? 

 Ah, there it is, "Bollocks"  
 

 As in "Load of Bollocks"
 

 But, you get a C+ for the impassioned part of it. (-:
 

 Really, I'm sorry Barry.
 

 Just try changing your angle of approach, even a few degrees, and see if 
people respond to you in a little better fashion.
 

 Join the human race.  We're all just bozos on bus, Barry.  
 

 You can be special, just the way you are. 
 

 No need to always have "Hey look at me everybody. Aren't I special", attitude.
 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I hope I've made my point to lurkers and those with somewhat open minds. 

 

 All I had to do was use a little colorful language to describe Maharishi, and 
the four extreme cultists on this forum went fucking crazy attacking me. 

 

 I suggest that what Richard Williams, Jim Flanegin, Ann, and Steve have done 
in response to that is some of the purest CULT BEHAVIOR I've ever seen. 

 

 It follows a pattern I've been trying to document on this forum since I 
arrived on it, a tendency to react to anyone who criticizes, makes fun of, or 
(worst) shows zero respect for the person they're guru-whipped by with anger, 
hatred, and a dedicated attempt to "get" them. 

 

 Richard has demonstrated a willingness to lie to do this, signing my name to 
things I didn't write. Jim has demonstrated a willingness to stalk me on the 
Internet to find photos that he can then crop and caption to make them look 
more sinister, and Ann and Steve have demonstrated that they'll pounce on any 
subject (in this most recent case, polyamory) that allows them to "get Barry."
 

 Did I provoke these people by intentionally pushing their buttons? 

 

 You betcha. I wanted to put their reactivity -- and the nature of it -- on 
display. 

 

 I think I succeeded. These four people, more than anything else, demonstrate 
why I consider TM a cult, and FFL a cult forum. These people were all TRAINED 
to act like this. 

 

 You may not like my tactics -- or me -- very much, but please watch these four 
in the future. They will probably continue to attack me, but watch how they 
treat *others* who dare to criticize Maharishi or TMers. They'll use the same 
tactics. If I've helped even a few people to see this, then I've succeeded. 

 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Polyamory - For Those Who Care

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 I have very much a live and let live attitude.
 

 For *me* (just little old me) this whole scenario wouldn't tempt me as what 
they call "possessiveness" I would see as "loyalty". Different strokes for 
different folks.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 the advocates are quite open about these issues, and how they deal with them. 

 but it appears that much work is needed to overcome issues along these lines 
which inevitably come up.
 

 and then, after you work to resolve one issue along these lines, the same, or 
similar issue may come up, a day later, or a week later, and open up all the 
same wounds.
 

 at least that appears to be a likely scenario to me.
 

 human emotions tend to be pretty fragile, especially along the lines of 
physical intimacy
 

 I mean, do you really want to have your life interrupted by a continual rap 
session along the lines of, "I feel _"  and "Okay, I understand you feel 
", but "my needs are ".  "How can I be sure my needs 
are being met without disregarding your needs"  Hug. "Let's sleep on it"  "Good 
idea" (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re "Polyamorists cite the human tendency towards jealousy and possessiveness 
as major hurdles in polyamory, and also as personal limitations to overcome.": 

 Good luck with that one.
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Values[edit 
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polyamory&action=edit§ion=8] Main 
article: Values within polyamory 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Values_within_polyamory
 Fidelity and loyalty: Many polyamorists define fidelity not as sexual 
exclusivity, but as faithfulness to the promises and agreements made about a 
relationship. A secret sexual relationship that violates those accords would be 
seen as a breach of fidelity. Polyamorists generally base definitions of 
commitment on considerations other than sexual exclusivity, e.g. "trust and 
honesty" or "growing old together".[44] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-44 Communication and 
negotiation: Because there is no "standard model" for polyamorous 
relationships, and reliance upon common expectations may not be realistic, 
polyamorists often advocate explicitly negotiating with all involved to 
establish the terms of their relationships, and often emphasize that this 
should be an ongoing process of honest communication and respect. Polyamorists 
will usually take a pragmatic approach to their relationships; many accept that 
sometimes they and their partners will make mistakes and fail to live up to 
these ideals, and that communication is important for repairing any 
breaches.[45] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-polyoz_values-45[46] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-s.org-46 Trust, honesty, 
dignity, and respect: Most polyamorists emphasize respect, trust, and honesty 
for all partners.[45] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-polyoz_values-45[46] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-s.org-46 Ideally, a partner's 
partners are accepted as part of that person's life rather than merely 
tolerated, and usually a relationship that requires deception or a "don't ask 
don't tell" policy is seen as a less than ideal model. Boundaries and 
agreements: Poly relationships often involve negotiating agreements, and 
establishing specific boundaries, or "ground rules"; such agreements vary 
widely and may change over time, but could include, for example: consultation 
about new relationships; devising schedules that work for everyone; limits on 
physical displays of affection in public or among mixed company; and budgeting 
the amount of money a partner can spend on additional partners. Gender 
equality: Many polyamorists do not believe in different relationship "rules" 
based on gender http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_role, a point of contrast 
with some forms of religious non-monogamy, which are often patriarchically 
based. Commonly, however, couples first expanding an existing monogamous 
relationship into a polyamorous one, may adhere to gender-specific boundaries 
until all parties are comfortable with the new dynamic, such as when a wife 
agrees not to engage sexually with another male at her husband's request, but 
may be allowed to have romantic and sexual relationships with women. Such terms 
and boundaries are negotiable, and such asymmetric 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetry degrees of freedom among the partners 
(who need not be of different genders) are more often due to individual 
differences and needs, and are usually understood to be temporary and within a 
negotiated time frame until further opening up of the relationship becomes 
practicable or easier for the parties to handle emotionally. 
Non-possessiveness: Many polyamorists view excessive restrictions on other deep 
relationships as less than desirable, as such restrictions can be used to 
replace trust with a framew

[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, and his soon to be ex-roomies

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

If I was living with him, I would politely, but firmly, ask him to leave, or 
keep a very sharp eye out -  especially with children present. 

 He refers to it, as, "colorful language". Then proceeds to put the blame, for 
his very disturbing thoughts, on those who call him out. Not because we are 
"cult members", but because we are normal, decent human beings. 
 

 Barry is in denial about this, and that can be a warning sign, too. Judy used 
to caution about Barry's mental illness. I thought she was exaggerating - Now, 
I am not so sure.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Anyone who uses such language is seriously disturbed. I just hope he doesn't 
harm that small child he is often photographed with. Someone oughta call the 
cops on him, and at least check his hard drive for kiddie porn.
 

 Let's just hope he's drunk. I thought I'd seen the worst of him on FFL but 
he's starting to show us more and more of what he's got inside of him. 
 

 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: It's the cult thinking, stupid!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

oh, and Goofy, you miss entirely the fact, that it is not your criticism of the 
MMY or the TM that is found so offensive.  It is the mean spirited way in which 
you attack people, and their opinions. 

 Bar, I am sorry to say, that you come off, more often than not, as just a mean 
MFer, with a load of unresolved issues.
 

 Good luck, though.  (-;
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Look at thyself Barry.   

 Do your realize that someone you respect, Alex, recently called you out for 
your vile need to provoke people, in a rather sick fashion.
 

 Look in the mirror, Bar.
 

 Be the change you want to see.
 

 It works wonders.  (-:
 

 Oh, I love the bit about the "pattern you've been trying to document on this 
forum"
 

 you really don't realize how perverted that sounds.
 

 sort of blind MFer you are, I'm afraid.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I hope I've made my point to lurkers and those with somewhat open minds. 

 

 All I had to do was use a little colorful language to describe Maharishi, and 
the four extreme cultists on this forum went fucking crazy attacking me. 

 

 I suggest that what Richard Williams, Jim Flanegin, Ann, and Steve have done 
in response to that is some of the purest CULT BEHAVIOR I've ever seen. 

 

 It follows a pattern I've been trying to document on this forum since I 
arrived on it, a tendency to react to anyone who criticizes, makes fun of, or 
(worst) shows zero respect for the person they're guru-whipped by with anger, 
hatred, and a dedicated attempt to "get" them. 

 

 Richard has demonstrated a willingness to lie to do this, signing my name to 
things I didn't write. Jim has demonstrated a willingness to stalk me on the 
Internet to find photos that he can then crop and caption to make them look 
more sinister, and Ann and Steve have demonstrated that they'll pounce on any 
subject (in this most recent case, polyamory) that allows them to "get Barry."
 

 Did I provoke these people by intentionally pushing their buttons? 

 

 You betcha. I wanted to put their reactivity -- and the nature of it -- on 
display. 

 

 I think I succeeded. These four people, more than anything else, demonstrate 
why I consider TM a cult, and FFL a cult forum. These people were all TRAINED 
to act like this. 

 

 You may not like my tactics -- or me -- very much, but please watch these four 
in the future. They will probably continue to attack me, but watch how they 
treat *others* who dare to criticize Maharishi or TMers. They'll use the same 
tactics. If I've helped even a few people to see this, then I've succeeded. 

 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The female Derren Brown

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks - interesting thread on that site. 

 Most of the criticisms are about her presentation - they're viewing her as a 
Derren Brown rip-off who only got those TV specials as she's a good-looking 
woman.
 

 But that was precisely why I liked her. As I said, she's a friendlier presence 
than Derren. Some of the set pieces - there are ones in the other shows where 
she has a woman apparently communicating with a Victorian murder victim; 
another trick has a man able to sense who is staring at the back of his head - 
that are crying out for Derren to present them with a bit of creepy 
showmanship. That said, she's personable enough and her skills are quite 
astonishing. She has memorised all the bar codes on grocery produce, for 
example, so can tell you what item you're holding if you tell her the code 
number. That's impressive in my book and anyone who doesn't find it so is being 
a bit blasé! I sometimes forget my home phone number as I use my mobile 
(cellphone) all the time!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

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[FairfieldLife] Re: It's the cult thinking, stupid!

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Didn't get much sleep, huh?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I hope I've made my point to lurkers and those with somewhat open minds. 

 

 All I had to do was use a little colorful language to describe Maharishi, and 
the four extreme cultists on this forum went fucking crazy attacking me. 

 

 I suggest that what Richard Williams, Jim Flanegin, Ann, and Steve have done 
in response to that is some of the purest CULT BEHAVIOR I've ever seen. 

 

 It follows a pattern I've been trying to document on this forum since I 
arrived on it, a tendency to react to anyone who criticizes, makes fun of, or 
(worst) shows zero respect for the person they're guru-whipped by with anger, 
hatred, and a dedicated attempt to "get" them. 

 

 Richard has demonstrated a willingness to lie to do this, signing my name to 
things I didn't write. Jim has demonstrated a willingness to stalk me on the 
Internet to find photos that he can then crop and caption to make them look 
more sinister, and Ann and Steve have demonstrated that they'll pounce on any 
subject (in this most recent case, polyamory) that allows them to "get Barry."
 

 Did I provoke these people by intentionally pushing their buttons? 

 

 You betcha. I wanted to put their reactivity -- and the nature of it -- on 
display. 

 

 I think I succeeded. These four people, more than anything else, demonstrate 
why I consider TM a cult, and FFL a cult forum. These people were all TRAINED 
to act like this. 

 

 You may not like my tactics -- or me -- very much, but please watch these four 
in the future. They will probably continue to attack me, but watch how they 
treat *others* who dare to criticize Maharishi or TMers. They'll use the same 
tactics. If I've helped even a few people to see this, then I've succeeded. 

 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: It's the cult thinking, stupid!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Look at thyself Barry.   

 Do your realize that someone you respect, Alex, recently called you out for 
your vile need to provoke people, in a rather sick fashion.
 

 Look in the mirror, Bar.
 

 Be the change you want to see.
 

 It works wonders.  (-:
 

 Oh, I love the bit about the "pattern you've been trying to document on this 
forum"
 

 you really don't realize how perverted that sounds.
 

 sort of blind MFer you are, I'm afraid.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I hope I've made my point to lurkers and those with somewhat open minds. 

 

 All I had to do was use a little colorful language to describe Maharishi, and 
the four extreme cultists on this forum went fucking crazy attacking me. 

 

 I suggest that what Richard Williams, Jim Flanegin, Ann, and Steve have done 
in response to that is some of the purest CULT BEHAVIOR I've ever seen. 

 

 It follows a pattern I've been trying to document on this forum since I 
arrived on it, a tendency to react to anyone who criticizes, makes fun of, or 
(worst) shows zero respect for the person they're guru-whipped by with anger, 
hatred, and a dedicated attempt to "get" them. 

 

 Richard has demonstrated a willingness to lie to do this, signing my name to 
things I didn't write. Jim has demonstrated a willingness to stalk me on the 
Internet to find photos that he can then crop and caption to make them look 
more sinister, and Ann and Steve have demonstrated that they'll pounce on any 
subject (in this most recent case, polyamory) that allows them to "get Barry."
 

 Did I provoke these people by intentionally pushing their buttons? 

 

 You betcha. I wanted to put their reactivity -- and the nature of it -- on 
display. 

 

 I think I succeeded. These four people, more than anything else, demonstrate 
why I consider TM a cult, and FFL a cult forum. These people were all TRAINED 
to act like this. 

 

 You may not like my tactics -- or me -- very much, but please watch these four 
in the future. They will probably continue to attack me, but watch how they 
treat *others* who dare to criticize Maharishi or TMers. They'll use the same 
tactics. If I've helped even a few people to see this, then I've succeeded. 

 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Polyamory - For Those Who Care

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

the advocates are quite open about these issues, and how they deal with them. 

 but it appears that much work is needed to overcome issues along these lines 
which inevitably come up.
 

 and then, after you work to resolve one issue along these lines, the same, or 
similar issue may come up, a day later, or a week later, and open up all the 
same wounds.
 

 at least that appears to be a likely scenario to me.
 

 human emotions tend to be pretty fragile, especially along the lines of 
physical intimacy
 

 I mean, do you really want to have your life interrupted by a continual rap 
session along the lines of, "I feel _"  and "Okay, I understand you feel 
", but "my needs are ".  "How can I be sure my needs 
are being met without disregarding your needs"  Hug. "Let's sleep on it"  "Good 
idea" (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re "Polyamorists cite the human tendency towards jealousy and possessiveness 
as major hurdles in polyamory, and also as personal limitations to overcome.": 

 Good luck with that one.
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Values[edit 
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polyamory&action=edit§ion=8] Main 
article: Values within polyamory 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Values_within_polyamory
 Fidelity and loyalty: Many polyamorists define fidelity not as sexual 
exclusivity, but as faithfulness to the promises and agreements made about a 
relationship. A secret sexual relationship that violates those accords would be 
seen as a breach of fidelity. Polyamorists generally base definitions of 
commitment on considerations other than sexual exclusivity, e.g. "trust and 
honesty" or "growing old together".[44] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-44 Communication and 
negotiation: Because there is no "standard model" for polyamorous 
relationships, and reliance upon common expectations may not be realistic, 
polyamorists often advocate explicitly negotiating with all involved to 
establish the terms of their relationships, and often emphasize that this 
should be an ongoing process of honest communication and respect. Polyamorists 
will usually take a pragmatic approach to their relationships; many accept that 
sometimes they and their partners will make mistakes and fail to live up to 
these ideals, and that communication is important for repairing any 
breaches.[45] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-polyoz_values-45[46] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-s.org-46 Trust, honesty, 
dignity, and respect: Most polyamorists emphasize respect, trust, and honesty 
for all partners.[45] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-polyoz_values-45[46] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-s.org-46 Ideally, a partner's 
partners are accepted as part of that person's life rather than merely 
tolerated, and usually a relationship that requires deception or a "don't ask 
don't tell" policy is seen as a less than ideal model. Boundaries and 
agreements: Poly relationships often involve negotiating agreements, and 
establishing specific boundaries, or "ground rules"; such agreements vary 
widely and may change over time, but could include, for example: consultation 
about new relationships; devising schedules that work for everyone; limits on 
physical displays of affection in public or among mixed company; and budgeting 
the amount of money a partner can spend on additional partners. Gender 
equality: Many polyamorists do not believe in different relationship "rules" 
based on gender http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_role, a point of contrast 
with some forms of religious non-monogamy, which are often patriarchically 
based. Commonly, however, couples first expanding an existing monogamous 
relationship into a polyamorous one, may adhere to gender-specific boundaries 
until all parties are comfortable with the new dynamic, such as when a wife 
agrees not to engage sexually with another male at her husband's request, but 
may be allowed to have romantic and sexual relationships with women. Such terms 
and boundaries are negotiable, and such asymmetric 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetry degrees of freedom among the partners 
(who need not be of different genders) are more often due to individual 
differences and needs, and are usually understood to be temporary and within a 
negotiated time frame until further opening up of the relationship becomes 
practicable or easier for the parties to handle emotionally. 
Non-possessiveness: Many polyamorists view excessive restrictions on other deep 
relationships as less than desirable, as such restrictions can be used to 
replace trust with a framework of ownership and control. It is usually 
preferred or encouraged that a polyamorist strive to view their partners' other 
significant others (often referred to as OSOs) in terms of the gain to their 
partners' lives rather than a threat to their own (see compersion 
http:/

[FairfieldLife] It's the cult thinking, stupid!

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I hope I've made my point to lurkers and those with somewhat open minds. 

All I had to do was use a little colorful language to describe Maharishi, and 
the four extreme cultists on this forum went fucking crazy attacking me. 

I suggest that what Richard Williams, Jim Flanegin, Ann, and Steve have done in 
response to that is some of the purest CULT BEHAVIOR I've ever seen. 

It follows a pattern I've been trying to document on this forum since I arrived 
on it, a tendency to react to anyone who criticizes, makes fun of, or (worst) 
shows zero respect for the person they're guru-whipped by with anger, hatred, 
and a dedicated attempt to "get" them. 

Richard has demonstrated a willingness to lie to do this, signing my name to 
things I didn't write. Jim has demonstrated a willingness to stalk me on the 
Internet to find photos that he can then crop and caption to make them look 
more sinister, and Ann and Steve have demonstrated that they'll pounce on any 
subject (in this most recent case, polyamory) that allows them to "get Barry."
Did I provoke these people by intentionally pushing their buttons? 

You betcha. I wanted to put their reactivity -- and the nature of it -- on 
display. 

I think I succeeded. These four people, more than anything else, demonstrate 
why I consider TM a cult, and FFL a cult forum. These people were all TRAINED 
to act like this. 

You may not like my tactics -- or me -- very much, but please watch these four 
in the future. They will probably continue to attack me, but watch how they 
treat *others* who dare to criticize Maharishi or TMers. They'll use the same 
tactics. If I've helped even a few people to see this, then I've succeeded. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The female Derren Brown

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The female Derren Brown

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Re "Many of the comments indicate that it is a staged, heavily edited piece.": 

 Hmmm. They sound like the sort of skeptics who think that TMers levitating in 
the Dome are just bouncing on their butts.  ;-)
 

 Got a link to the site?
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is a site I just looked at, which in which many of the comments indicate 
that it is a staged, heavily edited piece.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

  Re "Like the man and woman with him touching things and her drawing them. How 
did she do that?":

Search me. One possibility is that the camera crew following the old geezer can 
let her know what's being touched and she can then add subliminal suggestions 
in the chat she gives to his wife. (Don't forget we're seeing an *edited* 
version of what's going on.) 
 The rest of the series (another three episodes) is also posted on YouTube and 
the others are even stronger than this first one.
 

 Yes, like you, although I'm entertained by this kind of mind control it is 
also a bit worrying that people can be so easily manipulated without being 
consciously aware of it. Makes you wonder how far we're being controlled in our 
everyday lives.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So, you enjoy the kind of mind-control, mind-blowing tricks that Derren Brown 
has specialised in.
 

 But you're a FFLifer, so being such a sensitive soul you find Derren a little 
bit sinister. You sad bastard.
 

 But help is at hand. A new performer has appeared who matches Derren for the 
ingenuity of her trickery but the persona she projects is more your big sister 
with a warm heart. Her new series has been posted on YouTube if you're 
intrigued . . .
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccuCktbF3cU 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccuCktbF3cU

 

 There you go. I watched the whole thing. It appears we are very much 
influenced by all sorts of subliminal stimuli but some of the things were not 
clear to me why they worked the way they did even though she sort of explained 
it. Like the man and woman with him touching things and her drawing them. How 
did she do that? Anyway, thanks for the share, Seraphita.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The female Derren Brown

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

There is a site I just looked at, which in which many of the comments indicate 
that it is a staged, heavily edited piece.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

  Re "Like the man and woman with him touching things and her drawing them. How 
did she do that?":

Search me. One possibility is that the camera crew following the old geezer can 
let her know what's being touched and she can then add subliminal suggestions 
in the chat she gives to his wife. (Don't forget we're seeing an *edited* 
version of what's going on.) 
 The rest of the series (another three episodes) is also posted on YouTube and 
the others are even stronger than this first one.
 

 Yes, like you, although I'm entertained by this kind of mind control it is 
also a bit worrying that people can be so easily manipulated without being 
consciously aware of it. Makes you wonder how far we're being controlled in our 
everyday lives.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So, you enjoy the kind of mind-control, mind-blowing tricks that Derren Brown 
has specialised in.
 

 But you're a FFLifer, so being such a sensitive soul you find Derren a little 
bit sinister. You sad bastard.
 

 But help is at hand. A new performer has appeared who matches Derren for the 
ingenuity of her trickery but the persona she projects is more your big sister 
with a warm heart. Her new series has been posted on YouTube if you're 
intrigued . . .
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccuCktbF3cU 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccuCktbF3cU

 

 There you go. I watched the whole thing. It appears we are very much 
influenced by all sorts of subliminal stimuli but some of the things were not 
clear to me why they worked the way they did even though she sort of explained 
it. Like the man and woman with him touching things and her drawing them. How 
did she do that? Anyway, thanks for the share, Seraphita.

[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Polyamory - For Those Who Care

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Re "Polyamorists cite the human tendency towards jealousy and possessiveness as 
major hurdles in polyamory, and also as personal limitations to overcome.": 

 Good luck with that one.
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Values[edit 
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polyamory&action=edit§ion=8] Main 
article: Values within polyamory 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Values_within_polyamory
 Fidelity and loyalty: Many polyamorists define fidelity not as sexual 
exclusivity, but as faithfulness to the promises and agreements made about a 
relationship. A secret sexual relationship that violates those accords would be 
seen as a breach of fidelity. Polyamorists generally base definitions of 
commitment on considerations other than sexual exclusivity, e.g. "trust and 
honesty" or "growing old together".[44] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-44 Communication and 
negotiation: Because there is no "standard model" for polyamorous 
relationships, and reliance upon common expectations may not be realistic, 
polyamorists often advocate explicitly negotiating with all involved to 
establish the terms of their relationships, and often emphasize that this 
should be an ongoing process of honest communication and respect. Polyamorists 
will usually take a pragmatic approach to their relationships; many accept that 
sometimes they and their partners will make mistakes and fail to live up to 
these ideals, and that communication is important for repairing any 
breaches.[45] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-polyoz_values-45[46] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-s.org-46 Trust, honesty, 
dignity, and respect: Most polyamorists emphasize respect, trust, and honesty 
for all partners.[45] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-polyoz_values-45[46] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-s.org-46 Ideally, a partner's 
partners are accepted as part of that person's life rather than merely 
tolerated, and usually a relationship that requires deception or a "don't ask 
don't tell" policy is seen as a less than ideal model. Boundaries and 
agreements: Poly relationships often involve negotiating agreements, and 
establishing specific boundaries, or "ground rules"; such agreements vary 
widely and may change over time, but could include, for example: consultation 
about new relationships; devising schedules that work for everyone; limits on 
physical displays of affection in public or among mixed company; and budgeting 
the amount of money a partner can spend on additional partners. Gender 
equality: Many polyamorists do not believe in different relationship "rules" 
based on gender http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_role, a point of contrast 
with some forms of religious non-monogamy, which are often patriarchically 
based. Commonly, however, couples first expanding an existing monogamous 
relationship into a polyamorous one, may adhere to gender-specific boundaries 
until all parties are comfortable with the new dynamic, such as when a wife 
agrees not to engage sexually with another male at her husband's request, but 
may be allowed to have romantic and sexual relationships with women. Such terms 
and boundaries are negotiable, and such asymmetric 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetry degrees of freedom among the partners 
(who need not be of different genders) are more often due to individual 
differences and needs, and are usually understood to be temporary and within a 
negotiated time frame until further opening up of the relationship becomes 
practicable or easier for the parties to handle emotionally. 
Non-possessiveness: Many polyamorists view excessive restrictions on other deep 
relationships as less than desirable, as such restrictions can be used to 
replace trust with a framework of ownership and control. It is usually 
preferred or encouraged that a polyamorist strive to view their partners' other 
significant others (often referred to as OSOs) in terms of the gain to their 
partners' lives rather than a threat to their own (see compersion 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#Compersion). Therefore, jealousy and 
possessiveness are generally viewed not so much as something to avoid or 
structure the relationships around, but as responses that should be explored, 
understood, and resolved within each individual, with compersion as a goal. 
Sharing of domestic burden[edit 
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polyamory&action=edit§ion=9] 
Claimed benefits of a polyamorous relationship include the following:[47] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-47
 The ability of parties to discuss issues with multiple partners has the 
potential to add mediation and stabilization to a relationship, and to reduce 
polarization of viewpoints. Emotional support and structure provided by other 
committed adults within the family unit. A wider range of experience, skills, 
resources, and perspectives that multiple adul

[FairfieldLife] Re: The female Derren Brown

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Re "Like the man and woman with him touching things and her drawing them. How 
did she do that?":

Search me. One possibility is that the camera crew following the old geezer can 
let her know what's being touched and she can then add subliminal suggestions 
in the chat she gives to his wife. (Don't forget we're seeing an *edited* 
version of what's going on.) 
 The rest of the series (another three episodes) is also posted on YouTube and 
the others are even stronger than this first one.
 

 Yes, like you, although I'm entertained by this kind of mind control it is 
also a bit worrying that people can be so easily manipulated without being 
consciously aware of it. Makes you wonder how far we're being controlled in our 
everyday lives.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So, you enjoy the kind of mind-control, mind-blowing tricks that Derren Brown 
has specialised in.
 

 But you're a FFLifer, so being such a sensitive soul you find Derren a little 
bit sinister. You sad bastard.
 

 But help is at hand. A new performer has appeared who matches Derren for the 
ingenuity of her trickery but the persona she projects is more your big sister 
with a warm heart. Her new series has been posted on YouTube if you're 
intrigued . . .
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccuCktbF3cU 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccuCktbF3cU

 

 There you go. I watched the whole thing. It appears we are very much 
influenced by all sorts of subliminal stimuli but some of the things were not 
clear to me why they worked the way they did even though she sort of explained 
it. Like the man and woman with him touching things and her drawing them. How 
did she do that? Anyway, thanks for the share, Seraphita.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann - do your dogs look to the right?

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Their right, of course - as it is their left brain that's going into action 
when they respond with understanding. 

 I wonder if you have subconsciously noticed the response even if you haven't 
registered it on the conscious level.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From The Telegraph:
 If you are worried that your dog is not paying attention to what you are 
saying simply look at where is he is staring.

 Dogs look to the right when they recognise familiar commands because they 
process the sound in a specific part of their brains which remembers that the 
sound is important.

 Researchers at the University of Sussex discovered that dogs respond to speech 
in much the same way as humans do, processing recognisable sounds in the left 
hemisphere of the brain. In contrast, unusual noises or speech,are processed in 
the right hemisphere of the brain.

 However due to cross-wiring in the brain, if a dog turns to the right it means 
the left side of the brain is processing the words and vice versa.

 Researchers looked at how dogs responded when their owners told them to ‘come 
on.’
 When presented with familiar spoken commands, in a usual tone, dogs showed a 
left-hemisphere processing bias and turned to the right, indicating that they 
recognised what was being said.
 However when the command was said in a different tone and speed, the dogs 
could no longer process it as a familiar sound and so looked to the left.
 

 Hmmm, my dogs look at me when I speak to them but I will check it out next 
time. I have four to keep track of so it might take me a day or two to get back 
at you. And are we talking about their right or my right?
 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Polyamory - For Those Who Care

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I think I'm ready to call it a cult. 

 I'd say it definitely has a "nudist camp, swinger vibe" to it, this "noble" 
bill of rights, notwithstanding.  (-:
 

 Maybe the rule of 3's does apply.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Values[edit 
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polyamory&action=edit§ion=8] Main 
article: Values within polyamory 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Values_within_polyamory
 Fidelity and loyalty: Many polyamorists define fidelity not as sexual 
exclusivity, but as faithfulness to the promises and agreements made about a 
relationship. A secret sexual relationship that violates those accords would be 
seen as a breach of fidelity. Polyamorists generally base definitions of 
commitment on considerations other than sexual exclusivity, e.g. "trust and 
honesty" or "growing old together".[44] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-44 Communication and 
negotiation: Because there is no "standard model" for polyamorous 
relationships, and reliance upon common expectations may not be realistic, 
polyamorists often advocate explicitly negotiating with all involved to 
establish the terms of their relationships, and often emphasize that this 
should be an ongoing process of honest communication and respect. Polyamorists 
will usually take a pragmatic approach to their relationships; many accept that 
sometimes they and their partners will make mistakes and fail to live up to 
these ideals, and that communication is important for repairing any 
breaches.[45] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-polyoz_values-45[46] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-s.org-46 Trust, honesty, 
dignity, and respect: Most polyamorists emphasize respect, trust, and honesty 
for all partners.[45] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-polyoz_values-45[46] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-s.org-46 Ideally, a partner's 
partners are accepted as part of that person's life rather than merely 
tolerated, and usually a relationship that requires deception or a "don't ask 
don't tell" policy is seen as a less than ideal model. Boundaries and 
agreements: Poly relationships often involve negotiating agreements, and 
establishing specific boundaries, or "ground rules"; such agreements vary 
widely and may change over time, but could include, for example: consultation 
about new relationships; devising schedules that work for everyone; limits on 
physical displays of affection in public or among mixed company; and budgeting 
the amount of money a partner can spend on additional partners. Gender 
equality: Many polyamorists do not believe in different relationship "rules" 
based on gender http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_role, a point of contrast 
with some forms of religious non-monogamy, which are often patriarchically 
based. Commonly, however, couples first expanding an existing monogamous 
relationship into a polyamorous one, may adhere to gender-specific boundaries 
until all parties are comfortable with the new dynamic, such as when a wife 
agrees not to engage sexually with another male at her husband's request, but 
may be allowed to have romantic and sexual relationships with women. Such terms 
and boundaries are negotiable, and such asymmetric 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetry degrees of freedom among the partners 
(who need not be of different genders) are more often due to individual 
differences and needs, and are usually understood to be temporary and within a 
negotiated time frame until further opening up of the relationship becomes 
practicable or easier for the parties to handle emotionally. 
Non-possessiveness: Many polyamorists view excessive restrictions on other deep 
relationships as less than desirable, as such restrictions can be used to 
replace trust with a framework of ownership and control. It is usually 
preferred or encouraged that a polyamorist strive to view their partners' other 
significant others (often referred to as OSOs) in terms of the gain to their 
partners' lives rather than a threat to their own (see compersion 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#Compersion). Therefore, jealousy and 
possessiveness are generally viewed not so much as something to avoid or 
structure the relationships around, but as responses that should be explored, 
understood, and resolved within each individual, with compersion as a goal. 
Sharing of domestic burden[edit 
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polyamory&action=edit§ion=9] 
Claimed benefits of a polyamorous relationship include the following:[47] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory#cite_note-47
 The ability of parties to discuss issues with multiple partners has the 
potential to add mediation and stabilization to a relationship, and to reduce 
polarization of viewpoints. Emotional support and structure provided by other 
committed adults within the family unit. A wider range of experience, skills, 
resources, and perspectives that multiple 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I would be surprised if there was a five year plan in such relationships.  I'd 
be surprised if there was a three year plan. 

 But the idea of having three parents, and then having one of them voted off 
the island, or deciding to vamoose would seem to be more detrimental to a child 
than a divorce between two parents.
 

 But I don't think it is a matter of simply living and loving together.
 

 I think the policy dictates an open door to any short term or long term sexual 
relationship.
 

 Some good points there, Steve.
 

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, polyamory is basically there, to take care of lust. Humans, though, do 
themselves a disservice getting addicted to it. Part of Barry's many problems, 
is that he never made the transition, from lust, to intimacy (which 
incorporates plenty of lust), and doesn't understand the difference - hence, no 
long-term relationships for him, ever. I doubt he has even lived with a woman 
for longer than a year, during his entire adult life. He just doesn't get it.
 

 Maybe. What I think is that although it is in the nature of mammals, including 
us, to be controlled to a certain extent by our hormones and our egos, we are 
prone to being attracted to a number of different sexual partners during our 
lifetime. On the other hand, there is also some deep-seated desire to share 
with and to be loved and nurtured by another and for long periods of time. We 
seem to like to be liked and looked after and appreciated and we crave a 
certain level of security. The idea of marriage seems to provide this. The 
reality can be quite different but that hasn't kept a lot of us from attempting 
marriage nevertheless. To start to introduce the elements of multiple partners 
all living and loving together under the same roof and throw a child into that 
mix then all of the complications inherent in monogamous relationships seem to 
be able to exponentially increase because human traits tend to get thrown 
wildly into the mix. Chief among these characteristics would be jealousy, 
possessiveness, envy, lack of self confidence, doubt. But I am willing to 
investigate further - not as a possibility for myself - but as a general peek 
into what motivates people to share their sexual love with multiple partners 
while at the same time thinking of their relationships as way deeper than sex 
and need.
 
 

















 


 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The female Derren Brown

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So, you enjoy the kind of mind-control, mind-blowing tricks that Derren Brown 
has specialised in.
 

 But you're a FFLifer, so being such a sensitive soul you find Derren a little 
bit sinister. You sad bastard.
 

 But help is at hand. A new performer has appeared who matches Derren for the 
ingenuity of her trickery but the persona she projects is more your big sister 
with a warm heart. Her new series has been posted on YouTube if you're 
intrigued . . .
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccuCktbF3cU 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccuCktbF3cU

 

 There you go. I watched the whole thing. It appears we are very much 
influenced by all sorts of subliminal stimuli but some of the things were not 
clear to me why they worked the way they did even though she sort of explained 
it. Like the man and woman with him touching things and her drawing them. How 
did she do that? Anyway, thanks for the share, Seraphita.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, and his soon to be ex-roomies

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Anyone who uses such language is seriously disturbed. I just hope he doesn't 
harm that small child he is often photographed with. Someone oughta call the 
cops on him, and at least check his hard drive for kiddie porn.
 

 Let's just hope he's drunk. I thought I'd seen the worst of him on FFL but 
he's starting to show us more and more of what he's got inside of him. 
 

 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Thu 27-Nov-14 00:15:06 UTC

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

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butt fucking I don't want you anywhere near me. In fact, you seem downright 
obsessed with butts these days. What gives? On second thought, I don't want to 
know.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ann - do your dogs look to the right?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From The Telegraph:
 If you are worried that your dog is not paying attention to what you are 
saying simply look at where is he is staring.

 Dogs look to the right when they recognise familiar commands because they 
process the sound in a specific part of their brains which remembers that the 
sound is important.

 Researchers at the University of Sussex discovered that dogs respond to speech 
in much the same way as humans do, processing recognisable sounds in the left 
hemisphere of the brain. In contrast, unusual noises or speech,are processed in 
the right hemisphere of the brain.

 However due to cross-wiring in the brain, if a dog turns to the right it means 
the left side of the brain is processing the words and vice versa.

 Researchers looked at how dogs responded when their owners told them to ‘come 
on.’
 When presented with familiar spoken commands, in a usual tone, dogs showed a 
left-hemisphere processing bias and turned to the right, indicating that they 
recognised what was being said.
 However when the command was said in a different tone and speed, the dogs 
could no longer process it as a familiar sound and so looked to the left.
 

 Hmmm, my dogs look at me when I speak to them but I will check it out next 
time. I have four to keep track of so it might take me a day or two to get back 
at you. And are we talking about their right or my right?
 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yep, an easy way to slake the lust of the participants, all dressed up as 
something else, to provide a social context. Like they say, no one buys 
Playboy, to read the articles - lol. Yes, a pretty simple arrangement, but 
maybe too simple, especially for any kids.  

 Personally, I would find it impossible to give all of my heart, to two or more 
women - There are literally endless ways of demonstrating love, and being 
loving, even in marriage - gasp. I don't see any need to complicate things 
further. 
 

 My wife just bought me a t-shirt, that reads, "If things get any worse, I'll 
have to ask you to stop helping". 
 

 My wife occasionally enjoys a nip of scotch, and has always been a dancer, so 
the one I bought her, reads, vertically:
 

 "Whiskey
 Tango
 Foxtrot"
 

 :-)
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I would be surprised if there was a five year plan in such relationships.  I'd 
be surprised if there was a three year plan. 

 But the idea of having three parents, and then having one of them voted off 
the island, or deciding to vamoose would seem to be more detrimental to a child 
than a divorce between two parents.
 

 But I don't think it is a matter of simply living and loving together.
 

 I think the policy dictates an open door to any short term or long term sexual 
relationship.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, polyamory is basically there, to take care of lust. Humans, though, do 
themselves a disservice getting addicted to it. Part of Barry's many problems, 
is that he never made the transition, from lust, to intimacy (which 
incorporates plenty of lust), and doesn't understand the difference - hence, no 
long-term relationships for him, ever. I doubt he has even lived with a woman 
for longer than a year, during his entire adult life. He just doesn't get it.
 

 Maybe. What I think is that although it is in the nature of mammals, including 
us, to be controlled to a certain extent by our hormones and our egos, we are 
prone to being attracted to a number of different sexual partners during our 
lifetime. On the other hand, there is also some deep-seated desire to share 
with and to be loved and nurtured by another and for long periods of time. We 
seem to like to be liked and looked after and appreciated and we crave a 
certain level of security. The idea of marriage seems to provide this. The 
reality can be quite different but that hasn't kept a lot of us from attempting 
marriage nevertheless. To start to introduce the elements of multiple partners 
all living and loving together under the same roof and throw a child into that 
mix then all of the complications inherent in monogamous relationships seem to 
be able to exponentially increase because human traits tend to get thrown 
wildly into the mix. Chief among these characteristics would be jealousy, 
possessiveness, envy, lack of self confidence, doubt. But I am willing to 
investigate further - not as a possibility for myself - but as a general peek 
into what motivates people to share their sexual love with multiple partners 
while at the same time thinking of their relationships as way deeper than sex 
and need.
 
 

















 


 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to Maharishi Mahesh

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Barry's new toy.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Actually, I've run into four or five fairly well-known and respected 
meditation teachers who believed that the only thing that explained Maharishi's 
degeneration *was* being possessed. Go figure. 

 From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 8:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to 
Maharishi Mahesh
 
 
   
 You mean Maharishi was possessed?  Who would have thunk it? :-D 
 
 On 11/26/2014 08:40 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
 
   As a follow up to Tormod's post. By Hans Bruncken
 Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to Maharishi Mahes
 
 
 
 
 Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to Maha... A Story told by the 
Maharaja of Kanju Singh Deo in 1974 to Hans Bruncken.


 
 View on www.youtube.com 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Barry, this is just a guess, but I really think you have too much time on your 
hands.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 

 Fleetwood would not be able to convince Barry he is enlightened as Barry 
regards him as a narcissistic bore. 

 

 Trying to live up to my reputation for posting coherent and well-thought-out 
material (not to mention occasional brevity), I should point out that I can 
actually tolerate narcissistic bores. I studied many years each with Maharishi 
and Fred Lenz - Rama, after all. 

 

 What I can't tolerate is unintelligent, uninteresting, buffoonish narcissistic 
bores.  

 

 :-)
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I would be surprised if there was a five year plan in such relationships.  I'd 
be surprised if there was a three year plan. 

 But the idea of having three parents, and then having one of them voted off 
the island, or deciding to vamoose would seem to be more detrimental to a child 
than a divorce between two parents.
 

 But I don't think it is a matter of simply living and loving together.
 

 I think the policy dictates an open door to any short term or long term sexual 
relationship.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, polyamory is basically there, to take care of lust. Humans, though, do 
themselves a disservice getting addicted to it. Part of Barry's many problems, 
is that he never made the transition, from lust, to intimacy (which 
incorporates plenty of lust), and doesn't understand the difference - hence, no 
long-term relationships for him, ever. I doubt he has even lived with a woman 
for longer than a year, during his entire adult life. He just doesn't get it.
 

 Maybe. What I think is that although it is in the nature of mammals, including 
us, to be controlled to a certain extent by our hormones and our egos, we are 
prone to being attracted to a number of different sexual partners during our 
lifetime. On the other hand, there is also some deep-seated desire to share 
with and to be loved and nurtured by another and for long periods of time. We 
seem to like to be liked and looked after and appreciated and we crave a 
certain level of security. The idea of marriage seems to provide this. The 
reality can be quite different but that hasn't kept a lot of us from attempting 
marriage nevertheless. To start to introduce the elements of multiple partners 
all living and loving together under the same roof and throw a child into that 
mix then all of the complications inherent in monogamous relationships seem to 
be able to exponentially increase because human traits tend to get thrown 
wildly into the mix. Chief among these characteristics would be jealousy, 
possessiveness, envy, lack of self confidence, doubt. But I am willing to 
investigate further - not as a possibility for myself - but as a general peek 
into what motivates people to share their sexual love with multiple partners 
while at the same time thinking of their relationships as way deeper than sex 
and need.
 
 

















 


 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] The female Derren Brown

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

So, you enjoy the kind of mind-control, mind-blowing tricks that Derren Brown 
has specialised in.
 

 But you're a FFLifer, so being such a sensitive soul you find Derren a little 
bit sinister. You sad bastard.
 

 But help is at hand. A new performer has appeared who matches Derren for the 
ingenuity of her trickery but the persona she projects is more your big sister 
with a warm heart. Her new series has been posted on YouTube if you're 
intrigued . . .
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccuCktbF3cU 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccuCktbF3cU

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ten Lessons on Filmmaking from David Lynch

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

10 Lessons on Film making from David Lynch
1 - Chain smoke cigarettes.
2 - Be addicted to caffeine.
3 - Cuss regularly. 

4 - Be addicted to a fake spiritual teacher.
5 - Be so stupid that you pay this fake spiritual teacher one million dollars 
for "special training" where you  believe you will get one on one face time 
with said fake spiritual teacher, only to find that you only get to see the Old 
Fraud on tape.
6 - Believe everything the Old Fraud tells you.
7 - Make sure you put your twisted misogynistic thoughts and feelings in your 
films.
8 - Make sure there are midgets in your films.
9 - Get everyone you can to follow the fake spiritual teacher so you won't feel 
so stupid at being hoodwinked.
10 - Squall and try to sue everyone who tells the truth about your fake 
spiritual teacher and his mediocre meditation. All this will make you a 
superlative film maker.

  From: nablusoss1008 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 3:21 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ten Lessons on Filmmaking from David Lynch
   
     David Lynch (Photo: Lucca Film Festival) Ten Lessons on Filmmaking from 
David Lynch | Filmmaker Magazine
 
||
||||   Ten Lessons on Filmmaking from David Lynch | 
Filmmak...  After 25 years, the wait is over for Twin Peaks fans. David Lynch 
and Mark Frost have announced a return to the mythical town coming in 2016 to 
Showtime. The||
|  View on filmmakermagazine.com  |Preview by Yahoo|
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[FairfieldLife] Barry, and his soon to be ex-roomies

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Anyone who uses such language is seriously disturbed. I just hope he doesn't 
harm that small child he is often photographed with. Someone oughta call the 
cops on him, and at least check his hard drive for kiddie porn.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Hilarious; from fantasizing about "butt fucking babies"  to: "I felt myself 
drawn into it and through it into other realities."  The Turq is coherent 
indeed :-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 11/26/2014 10:10 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 My output is what it is because I am more coherent and a better thinker. >
 "HIS BODY TURNED GOLD . . . . . . he began to shrink, then grow to tremendous 
heights. He raised his arms and a shower of energy rushed down onto us while 
lines of power pushed up through my spine. His body turned gold, then it turned 
into a doorway. It became an absence. I felt myself drawn into it and through 
it into other realities. I felt myself spinning, floating, turning in various 
directions, then expanding and contracting." - Uncle Tantra
 
 
http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The_Last_Incarnation.htm
 
http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The%20Last%20Incarnation.htm
 

[FairfieldLife] Post Count Thu 27-Nov-14 00:15:06 UTC

[FFL PostCount ffl.postco...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

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 75 'Richard J. Williams' punditster
 55 awoelflebater
 51 TurquoiseBee turquoiseb
 45 Michael Jackson mjackson74
 42 nablusoss1008 
 39 Share Long sharelong60
 27 steve.sundur
 27 Bhairitu noozguru
 25 salyavin808 
 16 dhamiltony2k5
 14 jr_esq
 14 anartaxius
 14 LEnglish5
 13 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569
 10 Tormod Kinnes tkinnes
  9 wgm4u 
  7 s3raphita
  7 j_alexander_stanley
  5 Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius
  3 emptybill
  2 jason_green2
  2 email4you mikemail4you
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rise of the Machines...

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Can you do it this fast? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41PdsCbeJ-I 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41PdsCbeJ-I

[FairfieldLife] Ann - do your dogs look to the right?

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From The Telegraph:
 If you are worried that your dog is not paying attention to what you are 
saying simply look at where is he is staring.

 Dogs look to the right when they recognise familiar commands because they 
process the sound in a specific part of their brains which remembers that the 
sound is important.

 Researchers at the University of Sussex discovered that dogs respond to speech 
in much the same way as humans do, processing recognisable sounds in the left 
hemisphere of the brain. In contrast, unusual noises or speech,are processed in 
the right hemisphere of the brain.

 However due to cross-wiring in the brain, if a dog turns to the right it means 
the left side of the brain is processing the words and vice versa.

 Researchers looked at how dogs responded when their owners told them to ‘come 
on.’
 When presented with familiar spoken commands, in a usual tone, dogs showed a 
left-hemisphere processing bias and turned to the right, indicating that they 
recognised what was being said.
 However when the command was said in a different tone and speed, the dogs 
could no longer process it as a familiar sound and so looked to the left.
 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Rise of the Machines...

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Cute, but a friend of mine can solve Rubik's cubes almost this fast, without 
any cyber-help. 
 

 He actually solves 7- and 9-sided Rubik's cubes. For fun. Go figure. 
 

 I know someone who can tell if the stickers have been moved when it's jumbled 
up. He basically does it in his head first! And then finishes it off in 
seconds...
 

 

 

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 11:06 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Rise of the Machines...
 
 
   
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d0LfkIut2M 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d0LfkIut2M

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Hilarious; from fantasizing about "butt fucking babies"  to: "I felt myself 
drawn into it and through it into other realities."  The Turq is coherent 
indeed :-)
 

 Fantasising? The expression was intended a way of underlining a point about 
cluelessness. 
 

 I'm sorry you didn't get it, but I don't suppose anyone will let the facts get 
in the way of a good story
  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 11/26/2014 10:10 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 My output is what it is because I am more coherent and a better thinker. >
 "HIS BODY TURNED GOLD . . . . . . he began to shrink, then grow to tremendous 
heights. He raised his arms and a shower of energy rushed down onto us while 
lines of power pushed up through my spine. His body turned gold, then it turned 
into a doorway. It became an absence. I felt myself drawn into it and through 
it into other realities. I felt myself spinning, floating, turning in various 
directions, then expanding and contracting." - Uncle Tantra
 
 
http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The_Last_Incarnation.htm
 
http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The%20Last%20Incarnation.htm
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Rise of the Machines...

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Cute, but a friend of mine can solve Rubik's cubes almost this fast, without 
any cyber-help. 

He actually solves 7- and 9-sided Rubik's cubes. For fun. Go figure. 
  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 11:06 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Rise of the Machines...
   
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[FairfieldLife] Rise of the Machines...

[salyavin808]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d0LfkIut2M 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC

[nablusoss1008]

The newbies and "lurking reporters" found out more about the Turq than they 
wanted to know.
   Hilarious; from fantasizing about "butt fucking babies"  to: "I felt myself 
drawn into it and through it into other realities."  The Turq is coherent 
indeed :-)


"...turning in various directions, then expanding and contracting." - Uncle 
Tantra
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:punditster@... wrote :
 
 On 11/26/2014 10:10 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 My output is what it is because I am more coherent and a better thinker. >
 "HIS BODY TURNED GOLD . . . . . . he began to shrink, then grow to tremendous 
heights. He raised his arms and a shower of energy rushed down onto us while 
lines of power pushed up through my spine. His body turned gold, then it turned 
into a doorway. It became an absence. I felt myself drawn into it and through 
it into other realities. I felt myself spinning, floating, turning in various 
directions, then expanding and contracting." - Uncle Tantra
 
 
http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The_Last_Incarnation.htm
 
http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The%20Last%20Incarnation.htm





 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC

[nablusoss1008]

The newbies and "lurking reporters" found out more about the Turq than they 
strictly needed to know.

   Hilarious; from fantasizing about "butt fucking babies"  to: "I felt myself 
drawn into it and through it into other realities."  The Turq is coherent 
indeed :-)


 "...turning in various directions, then expanding and contracting." - Uncle 
Tantra
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:punditster@... wrote :
 
 On 11/26/2014 10:10 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 My output is what it is because I am more coherent and a better thinker. >
 "HIS BODY TURNED GOLD . . . . . . he began to shrink, then grow to tremendous 
heights. He raised his arms and a shower of energy rushed down onto us while 
lines of power pushed up through my spine. His body turned gold, then it turned 
into a doorway. It became an absence. I felt myself drawn into it and through 
it into other realities. I felt myself spinning, floating, turning in various 
directions, then expanding and contracting." - Uncle Tantra
 
 
http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The_Last_Incarnation.htm
 
http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The%20Last%20Incarnation.htm





 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

H. Seems Willytex is lying again. I didn't have anything to do with writing 
the thing he signed my pen name to. That's not my website, I've never had 
anything to do with creating it other than allowing them to put my book up on 
it when they asked if they could, and I didn't write that passage. 

Willytex actually knows all of this, because he's tried to run this routine 
before in the past and been busted on it. 
Sure is interesting to see what cultists do when someone pushes their buttons 
though, isn't it?
Now do you see why I used the language I did?  It makes the roaches crawl out 
of the baseboards and into the light, where everyone can see them. 
 From: nablusoss1008 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC
   
    Hilarious; from fantasizing about "butt fucking babies"  to: "I felt myself 
drawn into it and through it into other realities."  The Turq is coherent 
indeed :-)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

On 11/26/2014 10:10 AM, TurquoiseBeeturquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

 My output is what it is because I am more coherent and abetter thinker. 
 >
"HIS BODY TURNED GOLD . . . . . . he beganto shrink, then grow to tremendous 
heights. He raised his armsand a shower of energy rushed down onto us while 
lines of powerpushed up through my spine. His body turned gold, then it 
turnedinto a doorway. It became an absence. I felt myself drawn intoit and 
through it into other realities. I felt myself spinning,floating, turning in 
various directions, then expanding andcontracting." - Uncle Tantra

http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The_Last_Incarnation.htm


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/26/2014 3:20 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:


Hilarious; from fantasizing about "butt fucking babies" to: "/I felt 
myself drawn into it and through it into other realities."  The Turq 
is coherent indeed :-)/



>
/"//...turning in various directions, then expanding and contracting."/ 
- Uncle Tantra

>



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

On 11/26/2014 10:10 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:


*/My output is what it isbecause I am more coherent and a better
thinker. /*

>
/"HIS BODY TURNED GOLD . . . . . . he began to shrink, then grow to 
tremendous heights. He raised his arms and a shower of energy rushed 
down onto us while lines of power pushed up through my spine. His body 
turned gold, then it turned into a doorway. It became an absence. I 
felt myself drawn into it and through it into other realities. I felt 
myself spinning, floating, turning in various directions, then 
expanding and contracting." - /Uncle Tantra


http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The_Last_Incarnation.htm 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress'

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/26/2014 1:05 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
he left them alone because he was morally bankrupt - a liar, 
womanizer, thief and con artist and flim flam man.

>
/Good work MJ - this message should really impress the newbies!/
>



*From:* "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 26, 2014 2:02 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas 
is 'stress'


Thank you. Yep - Maharishi was probably wise to leave alone any sort 
of moral precepts, as he wanted the TM technique available as widely 
as possible, vs. taking on the various religious creeds. As desires 
become more comprehensive, these enemies must be faced anyway, and 
resolved, so that further growth is possible.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Fleetwood-Nice quote, the real Jihad is the inner one, though that is 
accomplished by the inner AND outer disciplines. This is the REAL 
teaching of Yoga as defined by SBS and loosely referred to by MMY.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Here is Brahmananda Saraswati, talking about "the six enemies" (aka 
"stress"):


"In truth then victory is really this; for the one who has no risk of 
inner defeat. In truth, by the suppression only of outer (usual) 
enemies no one can become permanently victorious; because from those 
enemies there is no lasting suppression. True knowledge of victory 
occurs then from obtaining control over internal enemies. Really, only 
by the permanent subjugation of internal enemies is the subjugation of 
the external enemy achieved; because the inner enemy gives rise to the 
creation of the external enemies.


The internal enemies are kaama (lust), krodha (anger), lobha (greed), 
moha (delusion), mada (intoxification) and maatsarya (jealousy). This 
is really the shhaDarivarga, the group of six inner enemies which 
create any external enemies of the world; therefore if you wish to 
experience happiness and peace one must gain victory over all one's 
gross enemies, then you should cut off the place of birth of the six 
subtle enemies, kaama (lust), krodha (anger), lobha (greed), 
moha (delusion), mada(intoxification) and maatsarya (jealousy). 
Without gaining victory over the shhaDarivarga (group of six enemies) 
then you cannot completely irradicate the external enemies. This is fixed.


This is the proven experience of those who have gained victory over 
these internal subtle enemies, that if the birthplace of the external 
enemies becomes destroyed and all enemies have become eradicated then 
afterwards no enemies remain and in truth this is considered to be a 
real victory. For him the true and lasting store-house of happiness 
and peace is opened."


Jai Guru Dev


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Doshas aren't stress, in Maharishi's eyes, as far as I know.

Samskaras are stress.

The term doṣa literally means "contamination" but I don't think that 
Maharishi ever used it in that sense. That is more a Buddhist thing to 
use doṣa to refer to lust, etc..


L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Are you beginning to 'get' what MMY was talking about when he was 
talking about stress? Lust, Anger, Greed to name a few, (the doshas).


These, are the sleeping elephants MMY used to talk about in the early 
days, IMHO.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC

[nablusoss1008]

Hilarious; from fantasizing about "butt fucking babies"  to: "I felt myself 
drawn into it and through it into other realities."  The Turq is coherent 
indeed :-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 11/26/2014 10:10 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 My output is what it is because I am more coherent and a better thinker. >
 "HIS BODY TURNED GOLD . . . . . . he began to shrink, then grow to tremendous 
heights. He raised his arms and a shower of energy rushed down onto us while 
lines of power pushed up through my spine. His body turned gold, then it turned 
into a doorway. It became an absence. I felt myself drawn into it and through 
it into other realities. I felt myself spinning, floating, turning in various 
directions, then expanding and contracting." - Uncle Tantra
 
 
http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The_Last_Incarnation.htm
 
http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The%20Last%20Incarnation.htm
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/26/2014 10:10 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
*/My output is what it isbecause I am more coherent and a better 
thinker. /*

>
/"HIS BODY TURNED GOLD . . . . . . he began to shrink, then grow to 
tremendous heights. He raised his arms and a shower of energy rushed 
down onto us while lines of power pushed up through my spine. His body 
turned gold, then it turned into a doorway. It became an absence. I felt 
myself drawn into it and through it into other realities. I felt myself 
spinning, floating, turning in various directions, then expanding and 
contracting." - /Uncle Tantra


http://www.ramalila.net/LetDrLenzsStudentsBooksTeach/Interview_The_Last_Incarnation.htm 

Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/26/2014 10:09 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
>


No big deal, Richard. I very much understand his anger and 
frustration, being put under his own spotlight. His choice, and his 
consequences.:-)>


/He does kind of make a large target, Jim, and we have it all in writing 
- I don't even need to make up stuff about him. LoL!/

>



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

On 11/24/2014 4:21 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:

>


*/The only sense that I can make of it is that Jim had a total
mental breakdown during that period, and actually believed he
*was* a woman. /*

>
Maybe it's time for you to just keep your big pie hole shut about Jim. 
Almost everyone on this forum is pretty fed up with your phoney 
bullshit, Barry. Do I make myself clear?


/"Over the years, I saw him levitate, as in sitting in lotus and just 
lifting up off the chair and hovering there in midair for minutes at a 
time, sometimes telling a joke the whole time.  Or in the desert, he'd 
just step up off the sand and onto a "staircase" that wasn't there, 
and just climb up and down it for a while, several feet above the 
ground.//" - /Barry Wright


http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife/yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Post Count Tue 25-Nov-14 00:15:04 UTC

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/26/2014 9:38 AM, fleetwood_macncheese:
>


Yes, polyamory is basically there, to take care of lust. Humans, 
though, do themselves a disservice getting addicted to it. Part of 
Barry's many problems, is that he never made the transition, from 
lust, to intimacy (which incorporates plenty of lust), and doesn't 
understand the difference - hence, no long-term relationships for him, 
ever. I doubt he has even lived with a woman for longer than a year, 
during his entire adult life. He just doesn't get it.



>
/"I don't think I was ever a starry-eyed TMer, and//
//I definitely never thought he had any kind of //
//pipeline to any useful knowledge, but I used to //
//go to his Friday night talks in L.A. regularly, //
//because it was the best place in town for a TM //
//guy to get lucky. //"/ - TurquoiseB

http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife/yahoogroups.com/msg66703.html
>


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I have to say that it appears to me that the central tenant of 
polyamory, is that I am going to fuck who I want, when I want, and if 
it bothers you, then you had best get over it, or used to it.


Now, along with that you may try to carve out a life with others with 
whom you get along with reasonably well, at least for the moment, but 
the relationship(s) are always subject to "I reserve the right to 
bring home anyone with whom I wish to have sex".


And it also seems that you can be voted off the island at anytime.

I'm not sensing a lot of happiness in that arrangement.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Search Facebook Accounts?? Are you hallucinating, too? I despise 
Facebook, and would NEVER have an account on there. That site is for 
overgrown pimply teenagers like yourself, imo.


I found your pictures, in five seconds, with the following search 
string on Google:


"Barry Wright Leiden polyamory"

Try it.:-) :-) :-)

Yes, interesting. It turns out the "lampshade" is a paper hat on his 
head. Some insights into bawee's life here; he seems nicer when not at 
FFL. I wonder why that is? The whole subject of polyamory is 
interesting. Reading about the "dad" in the family I wonder how 
willing he would be to share his daughter Maya with outside families - 
allow her to live and be loved and "kept"  and nourished/raised by 
other households in the same way he is willing to allow his lovers the 
same freedoms. He does say that Maya especially is the light of his 
life, his main love so I would have to wonder if he wouldn't want to 
hold her much closer to himself in every way, but only he could tell 
us that.


I have lots of ideas about polyamory and I know it has been sort of 
discussed here but bawee, as usual, was criticizing and abusing anyone 
who had qualms about it. Maybe because he doesn't read 90% of the 
posters here we could have a civilized discussion about it now.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

NOT!
>
On 11/26/2014 9:35 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

Share wrote:
'So Xeno, now that you've been corrupted into writing short posts, 
would you deem them also thin?'


Because the universe may be perceived in pieces, all is corruptible; 
no thing is immune from being demeaned, truncated, belittled, debased, 
degraded, despised, disparaged, abased, and detracted from. Those that 
that think they are incorruptible (Judy comes to mind) are not aware 
of their own human nature and the nature of the world.


A single brief post many does not make, Share. If you look at most 
posts by Fleetwood, they tend to be short. Barry on the other hand 
sometimes writes quite a bit. He may even write more than Fleetwood, 
but he normally collects his thoughts together and arranges them 
instead of shooting from the hip. The post count limit we used to have 
tended to force people to be a bit more coherent in their output. 
Whether or not you like what Barry writes, his output is more coherent 
and well thought out than Fleetwood's, because he is less impulsive. 
Fleetwood is also more dismissive, preferring not to delve into an 
issue he cannot be bothered with, and so he writes a quick dismissive 
note ignoring any points made. While Barry can be dismissive too, 
after all he does not read a lot of posts here, but he often goes into 
some detail why he thinks something is nuts.


The master here on FFL of often lengthy but usually irrelevant posting 
is Richard. When he gets going, no one can match Richard for pointless 
quantity and number of posts. It always seems to me that Richard is 
seeing what goes on FFL out the corner of his eye, but his mind is 
elsewhere with a different agenda (i.e., trolling) so the posts look 
as if they have something to do with a particular discussion but 
really do not have that much relevance. In my e-mail I have a Richard 
folder, and from time to time just mark them 'all read'. When I post, 
because I am a slow writer, and tend to length, I do not have time to 
read too many posts, maybe because I take too long to write them, and 
so cannot remain in any particular conversation for very long most of 
the time.


Thank you heartily for noticing that I am corruptible. There is a 
wonderful grit to corruption and graft, ill will and misunderstanding. 
It is the spice of life, and the greatest moments are when we can 
smooth over that roughness with a bit of harmony. Life then is not 
thin and drawn or empty. I do think before I write.


But if you are interested in brevity, take a gander at the following:

*The Lost Art of Brevity* by Mike Myatt

Do you ever grow weary of listening to the verbose, or reading the 
work of those that have issues with clear articulation? I certainly 
do…but fear not; the lost art of brevity is making a comeback. Those 
of you that know me have come to understand that I prefer to cut to 
the chase. I like to get to the root of an issue as quickly as 
possible. While I appreciate the great oratory skills of those who 
communicate using wonderful word pictures, or the academics who can 
wax eloquent while always using the best form of prose, I prefer my 
business communication to be quick and dirty. In the immortal words of 
Jack Webb: "The facts ma'am…just the facts." In today's post I'll look 
at the benefits associated with the resurgence of brevity.


Let me begin clearly stating that it is not my goal to be perceived as 
a word-basher.  I appreciate anyone who has command of a great 
vocabulary, but I don't have time for a 30 minute explanation of 
something that could have been, and should have been, communicated in 
2 minutes. Brevity is rare because it takes both skill and effort to 
simplify the complex. It's easier to remain ethereal, vague and 
ambiguous than it is to communicate with purpose and clarity. My 
message today is a simple one – refining your communications skill is 
well worth the effort. Don't be the person known for rambling on, be 
the person known for being articulate and to the point.


Probably the greatest example of the power of brevity comes from what 
is widely considered to be the greatest speech in American history: 
"The Gettysburg Address." President Lincoln's speech was only 10 
sentences long (272 words), and lasted less than a mere 3 minutes in 
length. Contrast Lincoln's brilliant example of the power of brevity 
with the keynote speech that day. The renowned orator Edward Everett 
preceded President Lincoln on the podium at Gettysburg. Everett's 
speech was an amazing two hours in length. He was after all the 
President of Harvard, but I digress…My question is this: which speech 
was more effective, and more memorable? Ah, the power of brevity…


The good news is that there are two big trends emboldening those of us 
who prefer brevity over other more irritating forms of communication. 
First is the time pressure for our attention. People simply don't have 
the time to li

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's teachings and those of Maharishi

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/26/2014 7:46 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
>
*/No problemo, Tormod. I posted partly to warn you who you were 
dealing with in Nabby, but also to give *him* a bit of a panic because 
he's terrified people here will find out his real name.

/*
*/
/*
*/As for Richard Williams, what I said about him being...uh...overly 
fond of prairie dogs is not really true. At least not to the best of 
my knowledge.

/*
*/
/*
*/What I said about him being generally recognized as being one of the 
biggest trolls on the Internet IS true, however, so be warned. 
Interacting with him in any way will just prove to be a waste of your 
time. I posted to warn you because his pattern is to pounce on all 
newbies /*

/>
Now this is really funny - /Barry Wright pounced on a newbie to warn him 
about Richard Williams pouncing on a newbie. /It just doesn't get any 
better than this! Thanks, Barry you just made my day! LoL!//

>*
*/
*/(who don't know his patterns) and try to get them to interact with 
him, so he can waste their time and energy. /*



*From:* "Tormod Kinnes tkin...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 26, 2014 2:39 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's teachings and those of 
Maharishi


Hei (Norwegian greeting),

Thanks!

I have no idea of Nabby's identity, and may not try to find out either.

Now, there is one more thing - Maharishi did a lot to keep the TM 
movement rolling, and TM surely helps a lot. I am glad that much 
research has confirmed it. I have a lot to be grateful for - my life, 
too, I can tell.



Loving greetings,
--
Tormod Kinnes

Re: [FairfieldLife] Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to Maharishi Mahesh

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Didn't you ever see his head spin around? 
  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 11:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to 
Maharishi Mahesh
   
 You mean Maharishi was possessed?  Who would have thunk it?  :-D 
 
 On 11/26/2014 08:40 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
  
    As a follow up to Tormod's post. By Hans Bruncken Brahmananda Saraswati 
passes on his Jiva to Maharishi Mahes  
|  
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  ||  
  |   Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to Maha...  A Story told by 
the Maharaja of Kanju Singh Deo in 1974 to Hans Bruncken.|  
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|  View on www.youtube.com |Preview by Yahoo|
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[FairfieldLife] Ten Lessons on Filmmaking from David Lynch

[nablusoss1008]

 David Lynch (Photo: Lucca Film Festival) 
 Ten Lessons on Filmmaking from David Lynch | Filmmaker Magazine 
http://filmmakermagazine.com/88420-ten-lessons-on-filmmaking-from-david-lynch/#.VHY2G5UlE6Z

 
 
 
http://filmmakermagazine.com/88420-ten-lessons-on-filmmaking-from-david-lynch/#.VHY2G5UlE6Z
 
 
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 After 25 years, the wait is over for Twin Peaks fans. David Lynch and Mark 
Frost have announced a return to the mythical town coming in 2016 to Showtime. 
The
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield and M. Effect

[nablusoss1008]

No, no Turq, you missed the point. YOU had the thoughts of "butt fucking 
babies". Noone else has ever expressed their thoughts in this way on this forum 
before you lay open your mind for all to see.

[FairfieldLife] Maharishi - Eliminating Stress and Stabilizing Unbounded Awareness

[nablusoss1008]

Maharishi - Eliminating Stress and Stabilizing Unbounded Awareness 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhcFnchZ60c
 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhcFnchZ60c 
 
 Maharishi - Eliminating Stress and Stabilizing Unbounded... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhcFnchZ60c http://tm.org Maharishi describes 
the mechanics of eliminating stress and it's role stabilizing unbounded 
awareness in daily life. For more information on th...
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to Maharishi Mahesh

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Actually, I've run into four or five fairly well-known and respected meditation 
teachers who believed that the only thing that explained Maharishi's 
degeneration *was* being possessed. Go figure. 

  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 8:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to 
Maharishi Mahesh
   
 You mean Maharishi was possessed?  Who would have thunk it?  :-D 
 
 On 11/26/2014 08:40 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
  
    As a follow up to Tormod's post. By Hans Bruncken Brahmananda Saraswati 
passes on his Jiva to Maharishi Mahes  
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  |   Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to Maha...  A Story told by 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of "Do less but accomplish more"

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I'm thinking of some people who have been at MUM on staff for a really long 
time. To me they seem like folks 
who could have stepped right out of a Norman Rockwell painting.
  From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 1:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of "Do less but accomplish 
more"
   
    Do you really think that it's the most stable, conservatively minded people 
who would be interested in TM, or any spiritual technique, or path?
I don't.
I think by nature, those who take to a spiritual path, are probably a little 
off kilter to begin with.
And I'd guess, it's always been that way.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

salyavin, I think you make a good point that some TMers were simply born more 
stable or whatever. I've also noticed that kapha types are often very calm and 
grounded most of the time. Sometimes such people don't really get how different 
life is for other people who weren't born that way. So these types are stable, 
but they can lack vision and empathy. I think we all have our innate gifts and 
flaws.

  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 6:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of "Do less but accomplish 
more"
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Yes, this is what angers and frustrates those in the waking state. They are ego 
bound, and yet feel stupid and inadequate, in the presence of someone 
enlightened. You can watch the results as we speak. Quite a show, and a 
huge waste of time for these beginners, who, had they ANY sense at all, 
would be doing TM, instead of trying to see how many angels can dance on the 
head of a pin. Not that I mind. :-)

When I was a newbie meditator I had this hunger for enlightenment, I'd had the 
experiences of CC up to unity many times and thought it must be an enviable 
state to be in all the time.
After quitting my job and moving in to an academy I started to notice that 
people who had been doing TM for decades were for the most part, erm, highly 
eccentric, occasionally aggressive and generally rather odd. At first I put it 
down to the fact that they'd either not done enough TM or maybe too much .
I did meet the occasionally evolved person which seemed to make it all 
worthwhile. You know the type, they carry a bit of dignity and have no obvious 
hang-ups or emotional blocks or ego problems. Clear minded people that act 
lively and always seem well adjusted. I think it was Maslow who had studied 
people who he described as self-realised and the description fits well. But 
then his description included open-minded inquiry and TMer's tend to have a 
True Believer devotee attribute.
So I came to the conclusion - perhaps unfairly - that they must have been that 
personally quite evolved or halfway there to start with. I've yet to see any 
evidence that so-called enlightenment via TM is anything other than a 
personality disorder or even mental illness. Or at least an imbalance of some 
sort in the way the brain usually balances ego and other hormonal functions.
The big question is: Is it worth crossing the street for? I've yet to see or 
hear anything from the TMO that makes me want to do TM with enlightenment as 
the goal, let alone sit around in a dome for hours every day. So I guess not, 
we will all answer the question differently I suppose and be happy with the 
answer we give ourselves.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Whereas the Movement never would "out" an enlightened individual, there are 
many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment 
? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he 
answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize 
enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even 
try."It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think 
we will do better"His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Okay, so now we're getting somewhere. I think this must be true. Only an 
enlightened person would recognize enlightenment in another. "It takes one to 
know one." Who woulda thought.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress'

[wgm4u]

L.-though you are correct Samskaras denote impressions or groves, it does NOT 
define the NATURE of those groves or impediments, dosha does! These are MMY's 
'sleeping elephants'. Dosha is not a Buddhist term, per se.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Indeed. But all experiences, for an unenlightened person, take one away from 
pure consciousness. 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Samskaras are "impressions".  Without them you wouldn't know anything! :-D 
 
 On 11/26/2014 09:25 AM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
 
   Doshas aren't stress, in Maharishi's eyes, as far as I know.
 

 Samskaras are stress.
 

 The term doṣa literally means "contamination" but I don't think that Maharishi 
ever used it in that sense. That is more a Buddhist thing to use doṣa to refer 
to lust, etc..
 
 
 L
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 Are you beginning to 'get' what MMY was talking about when he was talking 
about stress? Lust, Anger, Greed to name a few, (the doshas).
 
 These, are the sleeping elephants MMY used to talk about in the early days, 
IMHO.
 
 



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to Maharishi Mahesh

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

You mean Maharishi was possessed?  Who would have thunk it? :-D

On 11/26/2014 08:40 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:


As a follow up to Tormod's post. By Hans Bruncken

Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to Maharishi Mahes 






image 


Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to Maha... 


A Story told by the Maharaja of Kanju Singh Deo in 1974 to Hans Bruncken.

View on www.youtube.com 

Preview by Yahoo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress'

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

If all you experienced was pure consciousness you wouldn't be able to 
function.  Pure consciousness becomes like any other object that you can 
put your attention on or is in the background like background music when 
you deal with the day to day.


On 11/26/2014 11:25 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Indeed. But all experiences, for an unenlightened person, take one 
away from pure consciousness.



L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Samskaras are "impressions".  Without them you wouldn't know anything! 
:-D


On 11/26/2014 09:25 AM, LEnglish5@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:


Doshas aren't stress, in Maharishi's eyes, as far as I know.


Samskaras are stress.

The term doṣa literally means "contamination" but I don't think that 
Maharishi ever used it in that sense. That is more a Buddhist thing 
to use doṣa to refer to lust, etc..


L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
,  
 wrote :


Are you beginning to 'get' what MMY was talking about when he was 
talking about stress? Lust, Anger, Greed to name a few, (the doshas).


These, are the sleeping elephants MMY used to talk about in the early 
days, IMHO.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress'

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Indeed. But all experiences, for an unenlightened person, take one away from 
pure consciousness. 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Samskaras are "impressions".  Without them you wouldn't know anything! :-D 
 
 On 11/26/2014 09:25 AM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
 
   Doshas aren't stress, in Maharishi's eyes, as far as I know.
 

 Samskaras are stress.
 

 The term doṣa literally means "contamination" but I don't think that Maharishi 
ever used it in that sense. That is more a Buddhist thing to use doṣa to refer 
to lust, etc..
 
 
 L
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 Are you beginning to 'get' what MMY was talking about when he was talking 
about stress? Lust, Anger, Greed to name a few, (the doshas).
 
 These, are the sleeping elephants MMY used to talk about in the early days, 
IMHO.
 
 



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress'

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

I guess not, but I still didn't see "dosha" used, or is dosha referring to the 
6 enemies? 
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So, Lawson, you don't know what you're talking about. Study up on the word 
Dosha from the Sanskrit dictionary. Thanks.




 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Here is Brahmananda Saraswati, talking about "the six enemies" (aka "stress"): 
 "In truth then victory is really this; for the one who has no risk of inner 
defeat. In truth, by the suppression only of outer (usual) enemies no one can 
become permanently victorious; because from those enemies there is no lasting 
suppression. True knowledge of victory occurs then from obtaining control over 
internal enemies. Really, only by the permanent subjugation of internal enemies 
is the subjugation of the external enemy achieved; because the inner enemy 
gives rise to the creation of the external enemies.

The internal enemies are kaama (lust), krodha (anger), lobha (greed), moha 
(delusion), mada (intoxification) and maatsarya (jealousy). This is really the 
shhaDarivarga, the group of six inner enemies which create any external enemies 
of the world; therefore if you wish to experience happiness and peace one must 
gain victory over all one's gross enemies, then you should cut off the place of 
birth of the six subtle enemies, kaama (lust), krodha (anger), lobha (greed), 
moha (delusion), mada(intoxification) and maatsarya (jealousy). Without gaining 
victory over the shhaDarivarga (group of six enemies) then you cannot 
completely irradicate the external enemies. This is fixed.

This is the proven experience of those who have gained victory over these 
internal subtle enemies, that if the birthplace of the external enemies becomes 
destroyed and all enemies have become eradicated then afterwards no enemies 
remain and in truth this is considered to be a real victory. For him the true 
and lasting store-house of happiness and peace is opened."
 

 Jai Guru Dev
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Doshas aren't stress, in Maharishi's eyes, as far as I know. 

 Samskaras are stress.
 

 The term doṣa literally means "contamination" but I don't think that Maharishi 
ever used it in that sense. That is more a Buddhist thing to use doṣa to refer 
to lust, etc..
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are you beginning to 'get' what MMY was talking about when he was talking 
about stress? Lust, Anger, Greed to name a few, (the doshas).

These, are the sleeping elephants MMY used to talk about in the early days, 
IMHO.
 






 
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of "Do less but accomplish more"

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Hmmm... 

 TM is sold in the USA as a stress-management practice, so people who are 
feeling stressed are likely more interested than not.
 

 But some pretty stable people can still feel stressed.
 

 I know of presidents of 3 different countries who are on record as practicing 
TM, for example.
 

 2 of them are currently in office, and one became well-known for promoting TM 
while in office.
 

 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Do you really think that it's the most stable, conservatively minded people 
who would be interested in TM, or any spiritual technique, or path? 

 I don't.
 

 I think by nature, those who take to a spiritual path, are probably a little 
off kilter to begin with.
 

 And I'd guess, it's always been that way.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 salyavin, I think you make a good point that some TMers were simply born more 
stable or whatever. I've also noticed that kapha types are often very calm and 
grounded most of the time. Sometimes such people don't really get how different 
life is for other people who weren't born that way. So these types are stable, 
but they can lack vision and empathy. I think we all have our innate gifts and 
flaws.

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 6:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of "Do less but accomplish 
more"
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, this is what angers and frustrates those in the waking state. They are 
ego bound, and yet feel stupid and inadequate, in the presence of someone 
enlightened. You can watch the results as we speak. Quite a show, and a 
huge waste of time for these beginners, who, had they ANY sense at all, 
would be doing TM, instead of trying to see how many angels can dance on the 
head of a pin. Not that I mind. :-)
 

 When I was a newbie meditator I had this hunger for enlightenment, I'd had the 
experiences of CC up to unity many times and thought it must be an enviable 
state to be in all the time.
 

 After quitting my job and moving in to an academy I started to notice that 
people who had been doing TM for decades were for the most part, erm, highly 
eccentric, occasionally aggressive and generally rather odd. At first I put it 
down to the fact that they'd either not done enough TM or maybe too much .
 

 I did meet the occasionally evolved person which seemed to make it all 
worthwhile. You know the type, they carry a bit of dignity and have no obvious 
hang-ups or emotional blocks or ego problems. Clear minded people that act 
lively and always seem well adjusted. I think it was Maslow who had studied 
people who he described as self-realised and the description fits well. But 
then his description included open-minded inquiry and TMer's tend to have a 
True Believer devotee attribute.
 

 So I came to the conclusion - perhaps unfairly - that they must have been that 
personally quite evolved or halfway there to start with. I've yet to see any 
evidence that so-called enlightenment via TM is anything other than a 
personality disorder or even mental illness. Or at least an imbalance of some 
sort in the way the brain usually balances ego and other hormonal functions.
 

 The big question is: Is it worth crossing the street for? I've yet to see or 
hear anything from the TMO that makes me want to do TM with enlightenment as 
the goal, let alone sit around in a dome for hours every day. So I guess not, 
we will all answer the question differently I suppose and be happy with the 
answer we give ourselves.
 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Whereas the Movement never would "out" an enlightened individual, there are 
many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment 
? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he 
answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize 
enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even try.
 "It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think we 
will do better"
 His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
 

 Okay, so now we're getting somewhere. I think this must be true. Only an 
enlightened person would recognize enlightenment in another. "It takes one to 
know one." Who woulda thought.



 
 

 

















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress'

[wgm4u]

 Doubtful; he was basically a Religious Devout Hindu who thought he could 
cleverly convert the West to Indian culture. That's it in a nutshell!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 he left them alone because he was morally bankrupt - a liar, womanizer, thief 
and con artist and flim flam man.

 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 2:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress'
 
 
   Thank you. Yep - Maharishi was probably wise to leave alone any sort of 
moral precepts, as he wanted the TM technique available as widely as possible, 
vs. taking on the various religious creeds. As desires become more 
comprehensive, these enemies must be faced anyway, and resolved, so that 
further growth is possible.
 


 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Fleetwood-Nice quote, the real Jihad is the inner one, though that is 
accomplished by the inner AND outer disciplines. This is the REAL teaching of 
Yoga as defined by SBS and loosely referred to by MMY.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Here is Brahmananda Saraswati, talking about "the six enemies" (aka "stress"): 
 "In truth then victory is really this; for the one who has no risk of inner 
defeat. In truth, by the suppression only of outer (usual) enemies no one can 
become permanently victorious; because from those enemies there is no lasting 
suppression. True knowledge of victory occurs then from obtaining control over 
internal enemies. Really, only by the permanent subjugation of internal enemies 
is the subjugation of the external enemy achieved; because the inner enemy 
gives rise to the creation of the external enemies.

The internal enemies are kaama (lust), krodha (anger), lobha (greed), moha 
(delusion), mada (intoxification) and maatsarya (jealousy). This is really the 
shhaDarivarga, the group of six inner enemies which create any external enemies 
of the world; therefore if you wish to experience happiness and peace one must 
gain victory over all one's gross enemies, then you should cut off the place of 
birth of the six subtle enemies, kaama (lust), krodha (anger), lobha (greed), 
moha (delusion), mada(intoxification) and maatsarya (jealousy). Without gaining 
victory over the shhaDarivarga (group of six enemies) then you cannot 
completely irradicate the external enemies. This is fixed.

This is the proven experience of those who have gained victory over these 
internal subtle enemies, that if the birthplace of the external enemies becomes 
destroyed and all enemies have become eradicated then afterwards no enemies 
remain and in truth this is considered to be a real victory. For him the true 
and lasting store-house of happiness and peace is opened."
 

 Jai Guru Dev
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Doshas aren't stress, in Maharishi's eyes, as far as I know. 

 Samskaras are stress.
 

 The term doṣa literally means "contamination" but I don't think that Maharishi 
ever used it in that sense. That is more a Buddhist thing to use doṣa to refer 
to lust, etc..
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are you beginning to 'get' what MMY was talking about when he was talking 
about stress? Lust, Anger, Greed to name a few, (the doshas).

These, are the sleeping elephants MMY used to talk about in the early days, 
IMHO.
 






 
  








 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of "Do less but accomplish more"

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Do you really think that it's the most stable, conservatively minded people who 
would be interested in TM, or any spiritual technique, or path? 

 I don't.
 

 I think by nature, those who take to a spiritual path, are probably a little 
off kilter to begin with.
 

 And I'd guess, it's always been that way.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 salyavin, I think you make a good point that some TMers were simply born more 
stable or whatever. I've also noticed that kapha types are often very calm and 
grounded most of the time. Sometimes such people don't really get how different 
life is for other people who weren't born that way. So these types are stable, 
but they can lack vision and empathy. I think we all have our innate gifts and 
flaws.

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 6:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of "Do less but accomplish 
more"
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, this is what angers and frustrates those in the waking state. They are 
ego bound, and yet feel stupid and inadequate, in the presence of someone 
enlightened. You can watch the results as we speak. Quite a show, and a 
huge waste of time for these beginners, who, had they ANY sense at all, 
would be doing TM, instead of trying to see how many angels can dance on the 
head of a pin. Not that I mind. :-)
 

 When I was a newbie meditator I had this hunger for enlightenment, I'd had the 
experiences of CC up to unity many times and thought it must be an enviable 
state to be in all the time.
 

 After quitting my job and moving in to an academy I started to notice that 
people who had been doing TM for decades were for the most part, erm, highly 
eccentric, occasionally aggressive and generally rather odd. At first I put it 
down to the fact that they'd either not done enough TM or maybe too much .
 

 I did meet the occasionally evolved person which seemed to make it all 
worthwhile. You know the type, they carry a bit of dignity and have no obvious 
hang-ups or emotional blocks or ego problems. Clear minded people that act 
lively and always seem well adjusted. I think it was Maslow who had studied 
people who he described as self-realised and the description fits well. But 
then his description included open-minded inquiry and TMer's tend to have a 
True Believer devotee attribute.
 

 So I came to the conclusion - perhaps unfairly - that they must have been that 
personally quite evolved or halfway there to start with. I've yet to see any 
evidence that so-called enlightenment via TM is anything other than a 
personality disorder or even mental illness. Or at least an imbalance of some 
sort in the way the brain usually balances ego and other hormonal functions.
 

 The big question is: Is it worth crossing the street for? I've yet to see or 
hear anything from the TMO that makes me want to do TM with enlightenment as 
the goal, let alone sit around in a dome for hours every day. So I guess not, 
we will all answer the question differently I suppose and be happy with the 
answer we give ourselves.
 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Whereas the Movement never would "out" an enlightened individual, there are 
many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment 
? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he 
answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize 
enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even try.
 "It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think we 
will do better"
 His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
 

 Okay, so now we're getting somewhere. I think this must be true. Only an 
enlightened person would recognize enlightenment in another. "It takes one to 
know one." Who woulda thought.



 
 

 

















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress'

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

he left them alone because he was morally bankrupt - a liar, womanizer, thief 
and con artist and flim flam man.

  From: "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 2:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress'
   
    Thank you. Yep - Maharishi was probably wise to leave alone any sort of 
moral precepts, as he wanted the TM technique available as widely as possible, 
vs. taking on the various religious creeds. As desires become more 
comprehensive, these enemies must be faced anyway, and resolved, so that 
further growth is possible.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Fleetwood-Nice quote, the real Jihad is the inner one, though that is 
accomplished by the inner AND outer disciplines. This is the REAL teaching of 
Yoga as defined by SBS and loosely referred to by MMY.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Here is Brahmananda Saraswati, talking about "the six enemies" (aka "stress"):
"In truth then victory is really this; for the one who has no risk of inner 
defeat. In truth, by the suppression only of outer (usual) enemies no one can 
become permanently victorious; because from those enemies there is no lasting 
suppression. True knowledge of victory occurs then from obtaining control over 
internal enemies. Really, only by the permanent subjugation of internal enemies 
is the subjugation of the external enemy achieved; because the inner enemy 
gives rise to the creation of the external enemies.

The internal enemies are kaama (lust), krodha (anger), lobha (greed), moha 
(delusion), mada (intoxification) and maatsarya (jealousy). This is really the 
shhaDarivarga, the group of six inner enemies which create any external enemies 
of the world; therefore if you wish to experience happiness and peace one must 
gain victory over all one's gross enemies, then you should cut off the place of 
birth of the six subtle enemies, kaama (lust), krodha (anger), lobha (greed), 
moha (delusion), mada(intoxification) and maatsarya (jealousy). Without gaining 
victory over the shhaDarivarga (group of six enemies) then you cannot 
completely irradicate the external enemies. This is fixed.

This is the proven experience of those who have gained victory over these 
internal subtle enemies, that if the birthplace of the external enemies becomes 
destroyed and all enemies have become eradicated then afterwards no enemies 
remain and in truth this is considered to be a real victory. For him the true 
and lasting store-house of happiness and peace is opened."
Jai Guru Dev

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Doshas aren't stress, in Maharishi's eyes, as far as I know.
Samskaras are stress.
The term doṣa literally means "contamination" but I don't think that Maharishi 
ever used it in that sense. That is more a Buddhist thing to use doṣa to refer 
to lust, etc..
L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Are you beginning to 'get' what MMY was talking about when he was talking about 
stress? Lust, Anger, Greed to name a few, (the doshas).

These, are the sleeping elephants MMY used to talk about in the early days, 
IMHO.


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[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Should have known the Movement would try to capitalize on this, what a bunch of 
jackasses.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress'

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thank you. Yep - Maharishi was probably wise to leave alone any sort of moral 
precepts, as he wanted the TM technique available as widely as possible, vs. 
taking on the various religious creeds. As desires become more comprehensive, 
these enemies must be faced anyway, and resolved, so that further growth is 
possible. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Fleetwood-Nice quote, the real Jihad is the inner one, though that is 
accomplished by the inner AND outer disciplines. This is the REAL teaching of 
Yoga as defined by SBS and loosely referred to by MMY.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Here is Brahmananda Saraswati, talking about "the six enemies" (aka "stress"): 
 "In truth then victory is really this; for the one who has no risk of inner 
defeat. In truth, by the suppression only of outer (usual) enemies no one can 
become permanently victorious; because from those enemies there is no lasting 
suppression. True knowledge of victory occurs then from obtaining control over 
internal enemies. Really, only by the permanent subjugation of internal enemies 
is the subjugation of the external enemy achieved; because the inner enemy 
gives rise to the creation of the external enemies.

The internal enemies are kaama (lust), krodha (anger), lobha (greed), moha 
(delusion), mada (intoxification) and maatsarya (jealousy). This is really the 
shhaDarivarga, the group of six inner enemies which create any external enemies 
of the world; therefore if you wish to experience happiness and peace one must 
gain victory over all one's gross enemies, then you should cut off the place of 
birth of the six subtle enemies, kaama (lust), krodha (anger), lobha (greed), 
moha (delusion), mada(intoxification) and maatsarya (jealousy). Without gaining 
victory over the shhaDarivarga (group of six enemies) then you cannot 
completely irradicate the external enemies. This is fixed.

This is the proven experience of those who have gained victory over these 
internal subtle enemies, that if the birthplace of the external enemies becomes 
destroyed and all enemies have become eradicated then afterwards no enemies 
remain and in truth this is considered to be a real victory. For him the true 
and lasting store-house of happiness and peace is opened."
 

 Jai Guru Dev
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Doshas aren't stress, in Maharishi's eyes, as far as I know. 

 Samskaras are stress.
 

 The term doṣa literally means "contamination" but I don't think that Maharishi 
ever used it in that sense. That is more a Buddhist thing to use doṣa to refer 
to lust, etc..
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are you beginning to 'get' what MMY was talking about when he was talking 
about stress? Lust, Anger, Greed to name a few, (the doshas).

These, are the sleeping elephants MMY used to talk about in the early days, 
IMHO.
 






 
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress'

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

And vasanas are tendencies! I thought dosha meant "impurity" meaning simply not 
pure Being.

  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 12:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 
'stress'
   
 Samskaras are "impressions".  Without them you wouldn't know anything!  
:-D 
 
 On 11/26/2014 09:25 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  


    Doshas aren't stress, in Maharishi's eyes, as far as I know. 
  Samskaras are stress. 
  The term doṣa literally means "contamination" but I don't think that 
Maharishi ever used it in that sense. That is more a Buddhist thing to use doṣa 
to refer to lust, etc.. 
  L 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 Are you beginning to 'get' what MMY was talking about when he was talking 
about stress? Lust, Anger, Greed to name a few, (the doshas).
 
 These, are the sleeping elephants MMY used to talk about in the early days, 
IMHO.
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

"Being in the waking state is not a matter of addiction". Spoken like a True 
Addict!! :-)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Being in the waking state is not a matter of addiction, one simply is in it or 
not. Were it true that those 'addicted to the Waking State' see enlightened 
ones as their enemy, no guru would ever have a job, because everyone starting 
out is stuck there.  In terms of schemes of enlightenment, a person in deep 
sleep, dreaming, or waking has no choice in the matter. CC, GC, UC, and BC are 
also waking states, if you assume these states also exist. The term 'addicted 
to' is simply to cast aspersion.
 

 Those who come to FFL certainly ought to be able to see that those here, 
enlightened, or on the enlightenment path, or having abandoned the 
enlightenment path, are all rather unpleasant people, by virtue of what we 
write, and by virtue of what we write about each other.
 

 In person, maybe, some us might be more tolerable.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No problem - Those addicted to The Waking State, always see the enlightened 
ones as their enemy. It is a fact of life, hence your visceral dislike of both 
me, and Maharishi. :-) Freddy gets a pass from you though - lol 

 Better to do TM, asap, Barry, than continue this frustration over my 
enlightenment. Then, at the very least, you will know what you are talking 
about. For now, your ranting is simply a sad display of your ego-addiction.
 

 Jai Guru Dev
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 

 Fleetwood would not be able to convince Barry he is enlightened as Barry 
regards him as a narcissistic bore. 

 

 Trying to live up to my reputation for posting coherent and well-thought-out 
material (not to mention occasional brevity), I should point out that I can 
actually tolerate narcissistic bores. I studied many years each with Maharishi 
and Fred Lenz - Rama, after all. 

 

 What I can't tolerate is unintelligent, uninteresting, buffoonish narcissistic 
bores.  

 

 :-)
 











  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress'

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Samskaras are "impressions".  Without them you wouldn't know anything! :-D

On 11/26/2014 09:25 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Doshas aren't stress, in Maharishi's eyes, as far as I know.


Samskaras are stress.

The term doṣa literally means "contamination" but I don't think that 
Maharishi ever used it in that sense. That is more a Buddhist thing to 
use doṣa to refer to lust, etc..


L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Are you beginning to 'get' what MMY was talking about when he was 
talking about stress? Lust, Anger, Greed to name a few, (the doshas).


These, are the sleeping elephants MMY used to talk about in the early 
days, IMHO.

Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Being in the waking state is not a matter of addiction, one simply is in it or 
not. Were it true that those 'addicted to the Waking State' see enlightened 
ones as their enemy, no guru would ever have a job, because everyone starting 
out is stuck there.  In terms of schemes of enlightenment, a person in deep 
sleep, dreaming, or waking has no choice in the matter. CC, GC, UC, and BC are 
also waking states, if you assume these states also exist. The term 'addicted 
to' is simply to cast aspersion.
 

 Those who come to FFL certainly ought to be able to see that those here, 
enlightened, or on the enlightenment path, or having abandoned the 
enlightenment path, are all rather unpleasant people, by virtue of what we 
write, and by virtue of what we write about each other.
 

 In person, maybe, some us might be more tolerable.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No problem - Those addicted to The Waking State, always see the enlightened 
ones as their enemy. It is a fact of life, hence your visceral dislike of both 
me, and Maharishi. :-) Freddy gets a pass from you though - lol 

 Better to do TM, asap, Barry, than continue this frustration over my 
enlightenment. Then, at the very least, you will know what you are talking 
about. For now, your ranting is simply a sad display of your ego-addiction.
 

 Jai Guru Dev
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 

 Fleetwood would not be able to convince Barry he is enlightened as Barry 
regards him as a narcissistic bore. 

 

 Trying to live up to my reputation for posting coherent and well-thought-out 
material (not to mention occasional brevity), I should point out that I can 
actually tolerate narcissistic bores. I studied many years each with Maharishi 
and Fred Lenz - Rama, after all. 

 

 What I can't tolerate is unintelligent, uninteresting, buffoonish narcissistic 
bores.  

 

 :-)
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress'

[wgm4u]

Fleetwood-Nice quote, the real Jihad is the inner one, though that is 
accomplished by the inner AND outer disciplines. This is the REAL teaching of 
Yoga as defined by SBS and loosely referred to by MMY.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Here is Brahmananda Saraswati, talking about "the six enemies" (aka "stress"): 
 "In truth then victory is really this; for the one who has no risk of inner 
defeat. In truth, by the suppression only of outer (usual) enemies no one can 
become permanently victorious; because from those enemies there is no lasting 
suppression. True knowledge of victory occurs then from obtaining control over 
internal enemies. Really, only by the permanent subjugation of internal enemies 
is the subjugation of the external enemy achieved; because the inner enemy 
gives rise to the creation of the external enemies.

The internal enemies are kaama (lust), krodha (anger), lobha (greed), moha 
(delusion), mada (intoxification) and maatsarya (jealousy). This is really the 
shhaDarivarga, the group of six inner enemies which create any external enemies 
of the world; therefore if you wish to experience happiness and peace one must 
gain victory over all one's gross enemies, then you should cut off the place of 
birth of the six subtle enemies, kaama (lust), krodha (anger), lobha (greed), 
moha (delusion), mada(intoxification) and maatsarya (jealousy). Without gaining 
victory over the shhaDarivarga (group of six enemies) then you cannot 
completely irradicate the external enemies. This is fixed.

This is the proven experience of those who have gained victory over these 
internal subtle enemies, that if the birthplace of the external enemies becomes 
destroyed and all enemies have become eradicated then afterwards no enemies 
remain and in truth this is considered to be a real victory. For him the true 
and lasting store-house of happiness and peace is opened."
 

 Jai Guru Dev
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Doshas aren't stress, in Maharishi's eyes, as far as I know. 

 Samskaras are stress.
 

 The term doṣa literally means "contamination" but I don't think that Maharishi 
ever used it in that sense. That is more a Buddhist thing to use doṣa to refer 
to lust, etc..
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are you beginning to 'get' what MMY was talking about when he was talking 
about stress? Lust, Anger, Greed to name a few, (the doshas).

These, are the sleeping elephants MMY used to talk about in the early days, 
IMHO.
 






 
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress'

[wgm4u]

So, Lawson, you don't know what you're talking about. Study up on the word 
Dosha from the Sanskrit dictionary. Thanks.




 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Here is Brahmananda Saraswati, talking about "the six enemies" (aka "stress"): 
 "In truth then victory is really this; for the one who has no risk of inner 
defeat. In truth, by the suppression only of outer (usual) enemies no one can 
become permanently victorious; because from those enemies there is no lasting 
suppression. True knowledge of victory occurs then from obtaining control over 
internal enemies. Really, only by the permanent subjugation of internal enemies 
is the subjugation of the external enemy achieved; because the inner enemy 
gives rise to the creation of the external enemies.

The internal enemies are kaama (lust), krodha (anger), lobha (greed), moha 
(delusion), mada (intoxification) and maatsarya (jealousy). This is really the 
shhaDarivarga, the group of six inner enemies which create any external enemies 
of the world; therefore if you wish to experience happiness and peace one must 
gain victory over all one's gross enemies, then you should cut off the place of 
birth of the six subtle enemies, kaama (lust), krodha (anger), lobha (greed), 
moha (delusion), mada(intoxification) and maatsarya (jealousy). Without gaining 
victory over the shhaDarivarga (group of six enemies) then you cannot 
completely irradicate the external enemies. This is fixed.

This is the proven experience of those who have gained victory over these 
internal subtle enemies, that if the birthplace of the external enemies becomes 
destroyed and all enemies have become eradicated then afterwards no enemies 
remain and in truth this is considered to be a real victory. For him the true 
and lasting store-house of happiness and peace is opened."
 

 Jai Guru Dev
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Doshas aren't stress, in Maharishi's eyes, as far as I know. 

 Samskaras are stress.
 

 The term doṣa literally means "contamination" but I don't think that Maharishi 
ever used it in that sense. That is more a Buddhist thing to use doṣa to refer 
to lust, etc..
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are you beginning to 'get' what MMY was talking about when he was talking 
about stress? Lust, Anger, Greed to name a few, (the doshas).

These, are the sleeping elephants MMY used to talk about in the early days, 
IMHO.
 






 
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] This is Pretty Good, Especially at the End

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Dit- dit- dit- dittos!  Thank you Jesus! There is hope!
  From: "j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 8:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is Pretty Good, Especially at the End
   
    
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :



Very interesting about this brouhaha, being focused almost exclusively, on 
race. Whoever dreamt that up was an evil genius; divide and conquer. Here is a 
criminal, who has been shot during an altercation, by a policeman. No one 
examines the reason this kid was hell bent on a life of crime, as in no other 
real choice in his world. In addition, no one examines the correlation between 
putting oneself at risk (by punching a cop), and the result (harm or death). 
Nope, the media continues to drive the wedge between the common policeman, and 
the criminal, on the basis of race, allowing the hidden dynamics to continue, 
that bring about such tragedies. 
So, the result is a bunch of poor people further destroying their neighborhood, 
instead of working for economic and social justice. I wonder how long it will 
take, for this to repeat itself, someplace else?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

My absolute favorite bit in this was between minute 7 and 8 where Jon tells how 
a black man in Ferguson was beat by 4 cops and then charged with getting his 
blood on their uniforms. Spoiler alert: Jon shows a picture of tanks in 
Ferguson and says: They can afford tanks but they can't afford Tide sticks?!

  From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:26 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] This is Pretty Good, Especially at the End
 
 Taped back in August of this year.
The Daily Show - Race/Off

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Re: [FairfieldLife] This is Pretty Good, Especially at the End

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, excellent! Anybody can watch this and get the point, for themselves, 
white, black, or green. And, bonus, he's a Niners fan! 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Fredrick Wilson II is one smart young man! http://youtu.be/gPUcA7yrErg 
 
 http://youtu.be/gPUcA7yrErg
 
 Fredrick Wilson II is one smart young man! http://youtu.be/gPUcA7yrErg This is 
such a smart young man! Fredrick Wilson II You should follow him on FB 
https://www.facebook.com/fredrick.i.wilson?fref=photo I wish he h...


 
 View on youtu.be http://youtu.be/gPUcA7yrErg 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Very interesting about this brouhaha, being focused almost exclusively, on 
race. Whoever dreamt that up was an evil genius; divide and conquer. Here is a 
criminal, who has been shot during an altercation, by a policeman. No one 
examines the reason this kid was hell bent on a life of crime, as in no other 
real choice in his world. In addition, no one examines the correlation between 
putting oneself at risk (by punching a cop), and the result (harm or death).  

 Nope, the media continues to drive the wedge between the common policeman, and 
the criminal, on the basis of race, allowing the hidden dynamics to continue, 
that bring about such tragedies. 
 

 So, the result is a bunch of poor people further destroying their 
neighborhood, instead of working for economic and social justice. I wonder how 
long it will take, for this to repeat itself, someplace else?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 My absolute favorite bit in this was between minute 7 and 8 where Jon tells 
how a black man in Ferguson was beat by 4 cops and then charged with getting 
his blood on their uniforms. Spoiler alert: Jon shows a picture of tanks in 
Ferguson and says: They can afford tanks but they can't afford Tide sticks?!
 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:26 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] This is Pretty Good, Especially at the End
 
 
   
 Taped back in August of this year.
 

 The Daily Show - Race/Off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_98ojjIZDI

 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_98ojjIZDI
 
 The Daily Show - Race/Off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_98ojjIZDI The 
shooting of an unarmed black teenager by the police in Ferguson, Missouri, 
strikes a racial nerve in the U.S., but Fox News manages to remain color...


 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_98ojjIZDI 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 















  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield and M. Effect

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Eh... 

 DC is about the smallest town where teh ME effect could be reliably 
demonstrated.  And statistical fluctuations in one category of crime like 
murder could still be "small number" issues.
 

 Funny how the predictions for the ME at Washington for the study were only 
about the same as the average fluctuation of the crime rate anyway. There was a 
dip in the rate in May of that year that was bigger than the one when the place 
was full of TMer's!  If you can't also account for that, how do you know you 
are accounting for anything else with the claim of super powers? And 
considering we are talking about allegedly manipulating the unified field of 
all things shouldn't it be just a bit more dramatic?
 

 Just what is the rationale for their being such a small effect when we are 
dealing with such major power? And what good is a miniscule effect like that 
anyway from a law and order point of view? If you can't tell the difference 
without suspicious statistical analysis then what would be the point of getting 
a big group together, especially as crime rates are down a heckuva lot more 
since then with changes in policing methods and renovating neighbourhoods.
 

 

 Current Population Demographics and Statistics for Washington DC by age, 
gender and race. 
https://suburbanstats.org/population/how-many-people-live-in-washington-dc 
 
 https://suburbanstats.org/population/how-many-people-live-in-washington-dc
 
 Current Population Demographics and Statistic... 
https://suburbanstats.org/population/how-many-people-live-in-washington-dc 
Washington DC Population 2013, 2014


 
 View on suburbanstats... 
https://suburbanstats.org/population/how-many-people-live-in-washington-dc
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 601,000 in 2014. OF course, once you look at surrounding suburbs you might 
have a better picture but I believe the ME  research confined itself to DC 
proper for simplicity's sake.
 

 As I have said many times, this kind of study  is far too messy to really 
prove anything. Unless and until they can reliably show a micro-ME and show 
non-TM researchers how to reproduce it in their own labs, no-one outside the TM 
organization is ever going to take the research seriously.
 

 IMNSHO of course.
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The Maharishi Effect has always, at least in the theoretical discussions, been 
a "big numbers" effect that requires statistical analysis to catch.
 

 It's rubbish in other words.
 

 Funnily enough I was reading about statistics and paranormal research the 
other day. There's a guy called Dean Radin - friend of Fred Travis and member 
of the institute of noetic research - who "proved" via statistical analysis 
that the human mind has magical powers like telepathy and precognition. The 
amazing thing about his research is that he statistically meta - analysed 
hundreds of decent papers that had found no such thing!
 

 This is clever, he can "prove" there are paranormal powers without anyone ever 
demonstrating any such thing! A first for science, makes me wonder why his 
institute isn't taken seriously..
 

 Lies, damn lies, statistics etc..
 

 By theory, a town the size of Fairfield would be too small to really see the 
effect manifest reliably, regardless of what research beleivers decided to 
publicize in order to encourage other believers to participate more regularly.
 

 Consider the effect that a single pickpocketing Sidha would have on 
Fairfield's crime-rate, for example...
 

 Or a single gun rampage could have on otherwise also unconvincing statistics 
in Washington or Lebanon.
 

 [By the way, I came up with that example on a Washington, DC course a year or 
two before the course that lead to the resarch everyone likes to pooh-pooh -a 
pickpocket had slipped into the gathered sidhas outside the flying hall, and 
was working the crowd so the police were called]
 

 The activities of a single criminal in a crowd of several thousand are 
sufficient to raise the crime-rate in that crowd, no matter how "enlghtened" 
they are as individuals and the fact that this person was willing to roam 
freely amongst the TMers meant his behavior wasn't noticeably affected by their 
presence - in fact, you cold argue that his behavior was *inspired* by their 
presence.
 

 So clearly, you have to statistically remove any crime to make the figures 
"right"...
 

 The same issue holds true for a town of 10,000, like Fairfield. It is only 
when you get to the level of communities with a million or more people that the 
Maharishi Effect is (according to the theoretical papers) supposed to be 
reliably detectable since a single person's behavior is lost in the statistics 
involving hundreds or thousands of criminals.
 

 And the larger amount of criminals in large towns make the statistics 
unconvincing in t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's teachings and those of Maharishi

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, even after his passing, Maharishi makes it clear that devotion goes to 
Guru Dev. The mechanics are simply his intention, carried out by Nature.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's not odd. Even though many naturally see Maharishi as their guru because 
he was the one we interacted with for decades, he himself always reminded us 
from where the teaching came. He even said that Guru Dev is our Guru, not him. 
It's rather obvious that Guru Dev is the teacher for those who perhaps never 
met Maharishi.
 

 Rare footage of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in Los Angeles 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb-LceeGeCA

 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb-LceeGeCA
 
 Rare footage of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in Los Angeles 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb-LceeGeCA http://www.tm.org Rare footage of 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi walking through a crowd of people to get to a lecture 
hall. Maharishi: Laughing Los Angeles has b...


 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb-LceeGeCA 
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 Guru Dev Shankaracharya Brahmananda Saraswati जय गुरुदेव Jai Guru Deva 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u16wjc01ys0 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u16wjc01ys0
 
 Guru Dev Shankaracharya Brahmananda Saraswati जय गुर... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u16wjc01ys0 Movie footage of Guru Dev, 
Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, believed to have been filmed in 
Lucknow, India, circa April 1952. Visible ...


 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Odd thing - Although I am immeasurably indebted to Maharishi for bringing out 
the knowledge, to basically "reverse the trends of time", as he so aptly put 
it, my devotion and the natural direction of my heart, always goes to SBS. On 
the one hand, overflowing gratitude to Maharishi, but the overflowing love 
always flows to Guru Dev. Not that I ever think twice about it. :-)
 

 Welcome Tormod, I am 1/8 Norwegian (paternal grandmother was 1/2), though have 
not yet visited there, in this lifetime. I was pleasantly surprised to read 
recently that Norway is the wealthiest country in the world - No wonder TM is 
so popular there.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Hello Tormod, you seem to be a reasonable fellow. Please note that my comment 
was not directed at you specifically but rather in the direction of Paul Mason 
based on a comment Maharishi made some years ago that in the future some will 
try to sow discontent and doubts by trying to convince people of how devoted 
they are to Guru Dev. Their ultimate motifs could be to weaken the practice of 
meditation amongst TM'ers. It's something to keep in mind, nothing to be overly 
concerned about.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Hei (Norwegian greeting),
 

 Thanks!
 

 I have no idea of Nabby's identity, and may not try to find out either.
 

 Now, there is one more thing - Maharishi did a lot to keep the TM movement 
rolling, and TM surely helps a lot. I am glad that much research has confirmed 
it. I have a lot to be grateful for - my life, too, I can tell.

 

 

 Loving greetings,
 -- 

 Tormod Kinnes

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress'

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Here is Brahmananda Saraswati, talking about "the six enemies" (aka "stress"): 
 "In truth then victory is really this; for the one who has no risk of inner 
defeat. In truth, by the suppression only of outer (usual) enemies no one can 
become permanently victorious; because from those enemies there is no lasting 
suppression. True knowledge of victory occurs then from obtaining control over 
internal enemies. Really, only by the permanent subjugation of internal enemies 
is the subjugation of the external enemy achieved; because the inner enemy 
gives rise to the creation of the external enemies.

The internal enemies are kaama (lust), krodha (anger), lobha (greed), moha 
(delusion), mada (intoxification) and maatsarya (jealousy). This is really the 
shhaDarivarga, the group of six inner enemies which create any external enemies 
of the world; therefore if you wish to experience happiness and peace one must 
gain victory over all one's gross enemies, then you should cut off the place of 
birth of the six subtle enemies, kaama (lust), krodha (anger), lobha (greed), 
moha (delusion), mada(intoxification) and maatsarya (jealousy). Without gaining 
victory over the shhaDarivarga (group of six enemies) then you cannot 
completely irradicate the external enemies. This is fixed.

This is the proven experience of those who have gained victory over these 
internal subtle enemies, that if the birthplace of the external enemies becomes 
destroyed and all enemies have become eradicated then afterwards no enemies 
remain and in truth this is considered to be a real victory. For him the true 
and lasting store-house of happiness and peace is opened."
 

 Jai Guru Dev
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Doshas aren't stress, in Maharishi's eyes, as far as I know. 

 Samskaras are stress.
 

 The term doṣa literally means "contamination" but I don't think that Maharishi 
ever used it in that sense. That is more a Buddhist thing to use doṣa to refer 
to lust, etc..
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are you beginning to 'get' what MMY was talking about when he was talking 
about stress? Lust, Anger, Greed to name a few, (the doshas).

These, are the sleeping elephants MMY used to talk about in the early days, 
IMHO.
 






 
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield and M. Effect

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Eh... 

 DC is about the smallest town where teh ME effect could be reliably 
demonstrated.  And statistical fluctuations in one category of crime like 
murder could still be "small number" issues.
 

 Current Population Demographics and Statistics for Washington DC by age, 
gender and race. 
https://suburbanstats.org/population/how-many-people-live-in-washington-dc 
 
 https://suburbanstats.org/population/how-many-people-live-in-washington-dc 
 
 Current Population Demographics and Statistic... 
https://suburbanstats.org/population/how-many-people-live-in-washington-dc 
Washington DC Population 2013, 2014
 
 
 
 View on suburbanstats... 
https://suburbanstats.org/population/how-many-people-live-in-washington-dc 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


 

 601,000 in 2014. OF course, once you look at surrounding suburbs you might 
have a better picture but I believe the ME  research confined itself to DC 
proper for simplicity's sake.
 

 As I have said many times, this kind of study  is far too messy to really 
prove anything. Unless and until they can reliably show a micro-ME and show 
non-TM researchers how to reproduce it in their own labs, no-one outside the TM 
organization is ever going to take the research seriously.
 

 IMNSHO of course.
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The Maharishi Effect has always, at least in the theoretical discussions, been 
a "big numbers" effect that requires statistical analysis to catch.
 

 It's rubbish in other words.
 

 Funnily enough I was reading about statistics and paranormal research the 
other day. There's a guy called Dean Radin - friend of Fred Travis and member 
of the institute of noetic research - who "proved" via statistical analysis 
that the human mind has magical powers like telepathy and precognition. The 
amazing thing about his research is that he statistically meta - analysed 
hundreds of decent papers that had found no such thing!
 

 This is clever, he can "prove" there are paranormal powers without anyone ever 
demonstrating any such thing! A first for science, makes me wonder why his 
institute isn't taken seriously..
 

 Lies, damn lies, statistics etc..
 

 By theory, a town the size of Fairfield would be too small to really see the 
effect manifest reliably, regardless of what research beleivers decided to 
publicize in order to encourage other believers to participate more regularly.
 

 Consider the effect that a single pickpocketing Sidha would have on 
Fairfield's crime-rate, for example...
 

 Or a single gun rampage could have on otherwise also unconvincing statistics 
in Washington or Lebanon.
 

 [By the way, I came up with that example on a Washington, DC course a year or 
two before the course that lead to the resarch everyone likes to pooh-pooh -a 
pickpocket had slipped into the gathered sidhas outside the flying hall, and 
was working the crowd so the police were called]
 

 The activities of a single criminal in a crowd of several thousand are 
sufficient to raise the crime-rate in that crowd, no matter how "enlghtened" 
they are as individuals and the fact that this person was willing to roam 
freely amongst the TMers meant his behavior wasn't noticeably affected by their 
presence - in fact, you cold argue that his behavior was *inspired* by their 
presence.
 

 So clearly, you have to statistically remove any crime to make the figures 
"right"...
 

 The same issue holds true for a town of 10,000, like Fairfield. It is only 
when you get to the level of communities with a million or more people that the 
Maharishi Effect is (according to the theoretical papers) supposed to be 
reliably detectable since a single person's behavior is lost in the statistics 
involving hundreds or thousands of criminals.
 

 And the larger amount of criminals in large towns make the statistics 
unconvincing in those cases in exactly the same way. But it's nice that Buck 
doesn't have to worry about anything affecting the "science" in Fairfield.
 

 

 L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's  Maharishi's fault! LOL 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect
 
 
   Since the number of Pundits is down to about 200 and the number of TM-Sidhas 
practicing is way below the number their theory says is required, the most they 
could say is that they have failed to have a positive effect on Ferguson 
because they have failed to keep their numbers sufficiently high.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 227.5 miles - evidently the Marshy Effect is still to funnel money from TB'ers 
pockets to the TMO's coffers, rather than create peace. OF course, the TMO will 
have a different spin on the situation, the remedy of which will include giving 
more money to the TMO, you know, to get 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's teachings and those of Maharishi

[nablusoss1008]

It's not odd. Even though many naturally see Maharishi as their guru because he 
was the one we interacted with for decades, he himself always reminded us from 
where the teaching came. He even said that Guru Dev is our Guru, not him. It's 
rather obvious that Guru Dev is the teacher for those who perhaps never met 
Maharishi.
 

 Rare footage of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in Los Angeles 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb-LceeGeCA

 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb-LceeGeCA 
 
 Rare footage of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in Los Angeles 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb-LceeGeCA http://www.tm.org Rare footage of 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi walking through a crowd of people to get to a lecture 
hall. Maharishi: Laughing Los Angeles has b...
 
 
 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb-LceeGeCA 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  
 Guru Dev Shankaracharya Brahmananda Saraswati जय गुरुदेव Jai Guru Deva 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u16wjc01ys0 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u16wjc01ys0 
 
 Guru Dev Shankaracharya Brahmananda Saraswati जय गुर... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u16wjc01ys0 Movie footage of Guru Dev, 
Shankaracharya Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, believed to have been filmed in 
Lucknow, India, circa April 1952. Visible ...
 
 
 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u16wjc01ys0 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Odd thing - Although I am immeasurably indebted to Maharishi for bringing out 
the knowledge, to basically "reverse the trends of time", as he so aptly put 
it, my devotion and the natural direction of my heart, always goes to SBS. On 
the one hand, overflowing gratitude to Maharishi, but the overflowing love 
always flows to Guru Dev. Not that I ever think twice about it. :-)
 

 Welcome Tormod, I am 1/8 Norwegian (paternal grandmother was 1/2), though have 
not yet visited there, in this lifetime. I was pleasantly surprised to read 
recently that Norway is the wealthiest country in the world - No wonder TM is 
so popular there.
  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Hello Tormod, you seem to be a reasonable fellow. Please note that my comment 
was not directed at you specifically but rather in the direction of Paul Mason 
based on a comment Maharishi made some years ago that in the future some will 
try to sow discontent and doubts by trying to convince people of how devoted 
they are to Guru Dev. Their ultimate motifs could be to weaken the practice of 
meditation amongst TM'ers. It's something to keep in mind, nothing to be overly 
concerned about.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Hei (Norwegian greeting),
 

 Thanks!
 

 I have no idea of Nabby's identity, and may not try to find out either.
 

 Now, there is one more thing - Maharishi did a lot to keep the TM movement 
rolling, and TM surely helps a lot. I am glad that much research has confirmed 
it. I have a lot to be grateful for - my life, too, I can tell.

 

 

 Loving greetings,
 -- 

 Tormod Kinnes

Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

No problem - Those addicted to The Waking State, always see the enlightened 
ones as their enemy. It is a fact of life, hence your visceral dislike of both 
me, and Maharishi. :-) Freddy gets a pass from you though - lol 

 Better to do TM, asap, Barry, than continue this frustration over my 
enlightenment. Then, at the very least, you will know what you are talking 
about. For now, your ranting is simply a sad display of your ego-addiction.
 

 Jai Guru Dev
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 

 Fleetwood would not be able to convince Barry he is enlightened as Barry 
regards him as a narcissistic bore. 

 

 Trying to live up to my reputation for posting coherent and well-thought-out 
material (not to mention occasional brevity), I should point out that I can 
actually tolerate narcissistic bores. I studied many years each with Maharishi 
and Fred Lenz - Rama, after all. 

 

 What I can't tolerate is unintelligent, uninteresting, buffoonish narcissistic 
bores.  

 

 :-)
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield and M. Effect

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Hmmm? 

 Statistical analysis only works with big numbers.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The Maharishi Effect has always, at least in the theoretical discussions, been 
a "big numbers" effect that requires statistical analysis to catch.
 

 Which means its horseshit - if its as magical as they claim, it would work 
large or small - its a con artist deal on the part of the Movement, nothing 
more.

 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:58 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield and M. Effect
 
 
   The Maharishi Effect has always, at least in the theoretical discussions, 
been a "big numbers" effect that requires statistical analysis to catch.
 

 By theory, a town the size of Fairfield would be too small to really see the 
effect manifest reliably, regardless of what research beleivers decided to 
publicize in order to encourage other believers to participate more regularly.
 

 Consider the effect that a single pickpocketing Sidha would have on 
Fairfield's crime-rate, for example...
 

 [By the way, I came up with that example on a Washington, DC course a year or 
two before the course that lead to the resarch everyone likes to pooh-pooh -a 
pickpocket had slipped into the gathered sidhas outside the flying hall, and 
was working the crowd so the police were called]
 

 The activities of a single criminal in a crowd of several thousand are 
sufficient to raise the crime-rate in that crowd, no matter how "enlghtened" 
they are as individuals and the fact that this person was willing to roam 
freely amongst the TMers meant his behavior wasn't noticeably affected by their 
presence - in fact, you cold argue that his behavior was *inspired* by their 
presence.
 

 The same issue holds true for a town of 10,000, like Fairfield. It is only 
when you get to the level of communities with a million or more people that the 
Maharishi Effect is (according to the theoretical papers) supposed to be 
reliably detectable since a single person's behavior is lost in the statistics 
involving hundreds or thousands of criminals.
 

 

 L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's  Maharishi's fault! LOL 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect
 
 
   Since the number of Pundits is down to about 200 and the number of TM-Sidhas 
practicing is way below the number their theory says is required, the most they 
could say is that they have failed to have a positive effect on Ferguson 
because they have failed to keep their numbers sufficiently high.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 227.5 miles - evidently the Marshy Effect is still to funnel money from TB'ers 
pockets to the TMO's coffers, rather than create peace. OF course, the TMO will 
have a different spin on the situation, the remedy of which will include giving 
more money to the TMO, you know, to get more pundits and increase the Dome 
numbers - ha ha!

 

 From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:29 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Effect
 
 
   
 Does anybody know how far Ferguson Mo. is from Fairfield Ia.? Was group 
program called off yesterday?













 













 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress'

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Doshas aren't stress, in Maharishi's eyes, as far as I know. 

 Samskaras are stress.
 

 The term doṣa literally means "contamination" but I don't think that Maharishi 
ever used it in that sense. That is more a Buddhist thing to use doṣa to refer 
to lust, etc..
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are you beginning to 'get' what MMY was talking about when he was talking 
about stress? Lust, Anger, Greed to name a few, (the doshas).

These, are the sleeping elephants MMY used to talk about in the early days, 
IMHO.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of "Do less but accomplish more"

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The odd thing is, if anyone on this board met me in person, I could happily 
spend even years with them, and never bring up the topics of TM, Maharishi, or 
enlightenment. The reason I do here, is simply because there are enough of us 
here, who understand the context. Talking about this stuff is not part of my 
everyday social and family life. It is a specialized knowledge that I acquired, 
and enjoy, but I don't like proselytizing, or discussing spirituality or 
religion, with most people. 

 Instead, socially I am a sponge for any other kind of specialized knowledge, 
each of us has. I could spend hours discussing horses with Ann, or UFOs with 
Sal, or economics with Nabby, or music with Barry2. I tend to look at my 
spiritual life as something I hold quite privately, unless someone has a strong 
interest in this stuff. Most don't, and I am happy to interact accordingly. 
This includes, ZERO contact with any facet of the TM Organization. No practical 
value for me, in that.:-)
 

 I may visit Fairfield one of these days, and y'all can see for yourselves.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 salyavin, I think you make a good point that some TMers were simply born more 
stable or whatever. I've also noticed that kapha types are often very calm and 
grounded most of the time. Sometimes such people don't really get how different 
life is for other people who weren't born that way. So these types are stable, 
but they can lack vision and empathy. I think we all have our innate gifts and 
flaws.

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 6:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A new definition of "Do less but accomplish 
more"
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, this is what angers and frustrates those in the waking state. They are 
ego bound, and yet feel stupid and inadequate, in the presence of someone 
enlightened. You can watch the results as we speak. Quite a show, and a 
huge waste of time for these beginners, who, had they ANY sense at all, 
would be doing TM, instead of trying to see how many angels can dance on the 
head of a pin. Not that I mind. :-)
 

 When I was a newbie meditator I had this hunger for enlightenment, I'd had the 
experiences of CC up to unity many times and thought it must be an enviable 
state to be in all the time.
 

 After quitting my job and moving in to an academy I started to notice that 
people who had been doing TM for decades were for the most part, erm, highly 
eccentric, occasionally aggressive and generally rather odd. At first I put it 
down to the fact that they'd either not done enough TM or maybe too much .
 

 I did meet the occasionally evolved person which seemed to make it all 
worthwhile. You know the type, they carry a bit of dignity and have no obvious 
hang-ups or emotional blocks or ego problems. Clear minded people that act 
lively and always seem well adjusted. I think it was Maslow who had studied 
people who he described as self-realised and the description fits well. But 
then his description included open-minded inquiry and TMer's tend to have a 
True Believer devotee attribute.
 

 So I came to the conclusion - perhaps unfairly - that they must have been that 
personally quite evolved or halfway there to start with. I've yet to see any 
evidence that so-called enlightenment via TM is anything other than a 
personality disorder or even mental illness. Or at least an imbalance of some 
sort in the way the brain usually balances ego and other hormonal functions.
 

 The big question is: Is it worth crossing the street for? I've yet to see or 
hear anything from the TMO that makes me want to do TM with enlightenment as 
the goal, let alone sit around in a dome for hours every day. So I guess not, 
we will all answer the question differently I suppose and be happy with the 
answer we give ourselves.
 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Whereas the Movement never would "out" an enlightened individual, there are 
many souls popping these days. How do you verify another persons enlightenment 
? You don't because you can't. Maharishi was asked this question and he 
answered that the person have to be enlightened himself to recognize 
enlightenment in the other. So all the beginners here at FFL; don't even try.
 "It is said that Lord Buddha brought 500 people to enlightenment. I think we 
will do better"
 His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
 

 Okay, so now we're getting somewhere. I think this must be true. Only an 
enlightened person would recognize enlightenment in another. "It takes one to 
know one." Who woulda thought.



 
 

 

















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: "Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


Fleetwood would not be able to convince Barry he is enlightened as Barry 
regards him as a narcissistic bore. 

Trying to live up to my reputation for posting coherent and well-thought-out 
material (not to mention occasional brevity), I should point out that I can 
actually tolerate narcissistic bores. I studied many years each with Maharishi 
and Fred Lenz - Rama, after all. 

What I can't tolerate is unintelligent, uninteresting, buffoonish narcissistic 
bores.  

:-)


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's teachings and those of Maharishi

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Richard, I think turq is bonkers wrt you. Honestly, imho, you're definitely one 
of the most versatile posters here: sometimes profound, sometimes funny, 
sometimes just plain interesting. Who cares if you post a lot?! Oh, that's 
right, people for whom *scrolling down* is such a hardship LOL!
  From: "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's teachings and those of Maharishi
   
 On 11/26/2014 7:09 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
  
    While I'm giving you the standard "Newbie warning" about Nabby, Tormod, 
I should probably caution you about  the person posting as Richard J. Williams 
(and also occasionally posting as "punditster," "Pundit Sir," "WillyTex," and 
other obvious aliases). 
   
 >
 Since we are introducing ourselves, maybe we should start out by letting new 
subscribers know that they can judge the respondents on this list by reading 
what they have posted to the group and just let their words speak for 
themselves. 
 
 Is that alright with you Mr. Wright?
 
 
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=Richard+J.+Williams&l=fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com
 >
 

  He's another well-known crank and Internet troll, famous for doing everything 
he possibly can on this and other  forums to disrupt real conversations and 
provoke arguments for over 20 years now. 
  
  Read his stuff if you want, but bear in mind before replying to him that he 
is still on the Sexual Offender's List of  the state he lives in. As I 
understand it, many people where he lives...uh...date outside their species, 
but Richard preferred his conquests young, and thus developed relationships 
with *underaged* prairie dogs.  That's looked down upon, even in Texas.
  
  Don't say you weren't warned... 
 
 
  From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 1:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's teachings and those of Maharishi
   
     Tormod, it may interest you to know that the person who  has been 
giving you such a hard time while posting anonymously as Nablusos1008 also 
lives in Norway. 
  
  He *claims* to have been a TM teacher and even  claims to have spent some 
time on TM Purusha courses in the past. But  it's important to remember that 
these are  unsubstantiated claims because 1) he posts anonymously, so no one  
knows his name, 2) as far as we can tell he wouldn't be allowed anywhere near a 
real TM facility these days  because of his association with and promotion of 
Off The  Program teachers such as Benjamin Creme, and 3)  he spends so much of 
his time being angry and lashing out at anyone  who isn't him that it's 
doubtful he ever meditated a day in his life. 
  
  Nabby (our nickname for him, since literally no one  here takes him 
seriously) is regarded by most as a crank. He  tends to write about his belief 
in aliens that he  calls the "Space Brothers" and about the supposed savior  
"Maitreya" touted by his real teacher Benjamin Creme, who has been about to 
appear any day now for almost thirty  years. Without ever appearing, of course. 
 :-)
  
  If you're there "on the ground" in Norway and  in touch with real TMers, ask 
around. Someone probably knows  who this guy claiming to be a former TM  
teacher really is. Let us know when you find out.  
 
 
From: "Tormod Kinnes tkin...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 1:24 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's teachings  and those of Maharishi
   
       RALLYING THROUGH SUSPICIONS 
  
  Nablusoss1008 - if that is your real name  . . . 
   
I would not have written what I  did if Maharishi had not himself  warned that  
this exact situation  would arise some time in the future.  I've never for a 
moment  believed that Paul Mason has the Movement's  progress as one of his  
priorities.
 As for the rest of what  you wrote it's mostly blabber, same  stuff as your 
"review" of An  Autobiography of A Yogi.
 
  Every wild donkey has a right to  be on its guard of predators and  humans. 
You look much more  like a clown to me, but . . . you may be  on the side of 
Jesus. He not  only suspected his family contained  enemies who would kill him  
- and they tried to - but warned in  public that "a man's enemies will be the  
members of his own household." (Matthew 10:36). You are not of my  household, 
thanks God! 
  Go and suspect wisely and  well on Biblical ground, you!  But don't be rash. 
  There is Buddha's great  advice to investigate - going  against dumb belief - 
a help to  suspect well, try to live  wisely and well, a candle in a dark,  
dark cave: 
 
"Etha tumhe Kalama. Ma anussavena,  ma paramparaya, ma itikiraya,  ma 
pitasampadanena,  ma takkahetu, ma nayahetu, ma  akarap

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's teachings and those of Maharishi

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/26/2014 7:09 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
*/While I'm giving you the standard "Newbie warning" about Nabby, 
Tormod, I should probably caution you about the person posting as 
Richard J. Williams (and also occasionally posting as "punditster," 
"Pundit Sir," "WillyTex," and other obvious aliases).

/*

>
Since we are introducing ourselves, maybe we should start out by letting 
new subscribers know that they can judge the respondents on this list by 
reading what they have posted to the group and just let their words 
speak for themselves.


Is that alright with you Mr. Wright?

http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=Richard+J.+Williams&l=fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com
>

*/
/*
*/He's another well-known crank and Internet troll, famous for doing 
everything he possibly can on this and other forums to disrupt real 
conversations and provoke arguments for over 20 years now.

/*
*/
/*
*/Read his stuff if you want, but bear in mind before replying to him 
that he is still on the Sexual Offender's List of the state he lives 
in. As I understand it, many people where he lives...uh...date outside 
their species, but Richard preferred his conquests young, and thus 
developed relationships with *underaged* prairie dogs. That's looked 
down upon, even in Texas.

/*
*/
/*
*/Don't say you weren't warned.../*
*/
/*



*From:* "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" 
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 26, 2014 1:37 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's teachings and those of 
Maharishi


*/Tormod, it may interest you to know that the person who has been 
giving you such a hard time while posting anonymously as Nablusos1008 
also lives in Norway.

/*
*/
/*
*/He *claims* to have been a TM teacher and even claims to have spent 
some time on TM Purusha courses in the past. But it's important to 
remember that these are unsubstantiated claims because 1) he posts 
anonymously, so no one knows his name, 2) as far as we can tell he 
wouldn't be allowed anywhere near a real TM facility these days 
because of his association with and promotion of Off The Program 
teachers such as Benjamin Creme, and 3) he spends so much of his time 
being angry and lashing out at anyone who isn't him that it's doubtful 
he ever meditated a day in his life.

/*
*/
/*
*/Nabby (our nickname for him, since literally no one here takes him 
seriously) is regarded by most as a crank. He tends to write about his 
belief in aliens that he calls the "Space Brothers" and about the 
supposed savior "Maitreya" touted by his real teacher Benjamin Creme, 
who has been about to appear any day now for almost thirty years. 
Without ever appearing, of course. :-)

/*
*/
/*
*/If you're there "on the ground" in Norway and in touch with real 
TMers, ask around. Someone probably knows who this guy claiming to be 
a former TM teacher really is. Let us know when you find out. /*





*From:* "Tormod Kinnes tkin...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 26, 2014 1:24 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's teachings and those of Maharishi

RALLYING THROUGH SUSPICIONS

Nablusoss1008 - if that is your real name . . .

I would not have written what I did if Maharishi had not himself
warned that  this exact situation would arise some time in the
future. I've never for a moment believed that Paul Mason has the
Movement's progress as one of his priorities.
As for the rest of what you wrote it's mostly blabber, same stuff
as your "review" of An Autobiography of A Yogi.


Every wild donkey has a right to be on its guard of predators and 
humans. You look much more like a clown to me, but . . . you may be on 
the side of Jesus. He not only suspected his family contained enemies 
who would kill him - and they tried to - but warned in public that "a 
man's enemies will be the members of his own household." (Matthew 
10:36). You are not of my household, thanks God!


Go and suspect wisely and well on Biblical ground, you! But don't be rash.

There is Buddha's great  advice to investigate - going against dumb 
belief - a help to suspect well, try to live wisely and well, a candle 
in a dark, dark cave:


"Etha tumhe Kalama. Ma anussavena, ma paramparaya, ma itikiraya,
ma pitasampadanena, ma takkahetu, ma nayahetu, ma
akaraparivitakkena, nid ditthinijjhanakkhantiya, ma
bhabbarupataya, ma samanro no garu ti."


It says, in one translation:

Do not accept anything on mere hearsay (ie, thinking that thus
have we heard it for a long time).
Do not accept anything by mere tradition (ie, thinking that it has
been handed down thus through many generations).
Do not accept anything on account of rumours (ie, by believing
what others say wit

Re: [FairfieldLife] This is Pretty Good, Especially at the End

[j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Very interesting about this brouhaha, being focused almost exclusively, on 
race. Whoever dreamt that up was an evil genius; divide and conquer. Here is a 
criminal, who has been shot during an altercation, by a policeman. No one 
examines the reason this kid was hell bent on a life of crime, as in no other 
real choice in his world. In addition, no one examines the correlation between 
putting oneself at risk (by punching a cop), and the result (harm or death).  

 Nope, the media continues to drive the wedge between the common policeman, and 
the criminal, on the basis of race, allowing the hidden dynamics to continue, 
that bring about such tragedies. 
 

 So, the result is a bunch of poor people further destroying their 
neighborhood, instead of working for economic and social justice. I wonder how 
long it will take, for this to repeat itself, someplace else?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 My absolute favorite bit in this was between minute 7 and 8 where Jon tells 
how a black man in Ferguson was beat by 4 cops and then charged with getting 
his blood on their uniforms. Spoiler alert: Jon shows a picture of tanks in 
Ferguson and says: They can afford tanks but they can't afford Tide sticks?!
 

 From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:26 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] This is Pretty Good, Especially at the End
 
 
   
 Taped back in August of this year.
 

 The Daily Show - Race/Off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_98ojjIZDI

 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_98ojjIZDI
 
 The Daily Show - Race/Off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_98ojjIZDI The 
shooting of an unarmed black teenager by the police in Ferguson, Missouri, 
strikes a racial nerve in the U.S., but Fox News manages to remain color...


 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I said you were less impulsive, I did not say by how much. I included thus, 
sufficient wiggle room to allow your level of impulsiveness to be zero, and 
thus not an issue. As to being a better thinker and being more coherent, yes. 
If I knew you in person, I could evaluate humble, but otherwise, I do not give 
a crap as long as your output is provocative, profound, or entertaining. 
  From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 4:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Wed 26-Nov-14 00:15:11 UTC
   
    Snipping out of respect for your forwarded dissertation on brevity:
  From: "Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 
Whether or not you like what Barry writes, his output is more coherent and well 
thought out than Fleetwood's, because he is less impulsive. 

Impulsiveness is really not the issue. 
My output is what it is because I am more coherent and a better thinker. 

Humble about it, too. 

:-)


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[FairfieldLife] MMY's catch-all phrase for the doshas is 'stress'

[wgm4u]

Are you beginning to 'get' what MMY was talking about when he was talking about 
stress? Lust, Anger, Greed to name a few, (the doshas).

These, are the sleeping elephants MMY used to talk about in the early days, 
IMHO.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Hey Nabby
I do not know if someone became enlightened whether that would shake Turq's 
core beliefs. We are not really certain of what his beliefs are, in particular 
because he claims he is only presenting opinions. Also Maharishi said 
techniques can only take you to what he called god consciousness. And, finally 
that real enlightenment (brahman) comes 'in time', that is, if it comes. 
Therefore no practice gets you enlightened, it just sets the stage and then it 
is a waiting game. Now I have practised a number of different techniques over 
the years, and each has done something to forward my experience. 
But the most interesting experiences and the experience of progress came from 
moments that did not happen while practising a technique. And though TM was the 
technique I practised most consistently over the longest period of time, it 
cannot be said in the end, which one produced what experience, all were 
involved. All the techniques produced an experience of silence, some were far 
more powerful than TM in producing short periods of intense silence. TM 
provided a consistent wearing away of certain sorts of obstacles to experience. 
I would credit it with a large portion the grunt work of wearing away delusion 
(which includes spiritual delusions as well). Unlike some here I am not adverse 
to TM, but I also think it does not work well for everyone.
I do know someone who I believe has only practised TM and who I regard as 
awakened. But then I also have known others who did some other things and not 
TM, who I also regard as awakened. Fleetwood would not be able to convince 
Barry he is enlightened as Barry regards him as a narcissistic bore. There are 
many things about enlightenment that Fleetwood ought to be able to understand 
and he doesn't seem to understand. Now that may be because he is not the most 
articulate person in the world describing his experience. For example that 
video on Buddha at the Gas Pump is not an example of subtlety of expression. I 
think Jim has had some sort of profound awakening experience, but is at least 
partly misinterpreting its significance, and he seems unwilling to discuss the 
matter further. But simply saying you are enlightened and are in silence is not 
a convincing way to go about it, particularly if you use it as a hammer to 
proclaim others' ignorance and low station on the spiritual ladder. Awakening 
alone is not enlightenment, a sometimes long period of assimilation and further 
refinement and adjustments in understanding follows. 
As for enlightened dawn, I have so far read the first month's worth of 
enlightened_dawn11's posts. It certainly sounds like Jim/Fleetwood attempting 
to be some other person. In that first month, 'dawn' did not say he/she was a 
woman. But some of the posters thought it was a she at first. Vaj first 
addressed the poster as 'Ms. Enlightened', and further on Barry used the 
pronoun 'her' in referring to Dawn. Dawn did not correct those impressions. 
Also Dawn referred to Vaj and Barry as 'Mr. Vaj' and 'Mr. B'. And Dawn brought 
up the idea that Barry was a bully, just like Jim does. 
I have not gotten further into all those exchanges, but there is, it seems to 
me, as far as I have got, that it was easy to get the impression Dawn was a 
woman and also, that with hindsight, Dawn was Jim, which was the conclusion 
that Barry came to eventually, and Dawn denied it back then when confronted. 
Jim posted to the forum the previous year under his own name, and returned as 
Dawn saying he/she was new to the forum. I have not looked at the final posts 
Jim made under his own name, or most of the posts that Vaj and Barry made to or 
about Dawn, so I still have an incomplete picture. This was three or so years 
before I came onto the forum. I let you draw a conclusion from this brief 
sketch. Digging this information out of the old files is difficult, but it is 
kind of interesting, but I have not read enough of it to be completely certain.
  From: nablusoss1008 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 9:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] All Beings Enlightened
   
    As pointed out by several posters here, only the Turq believes Fleetwood 
posted as "enlightened dawn". The truth of the matter is that anyone claiming 
enlightenment from TM shakes the Turq's core belief : If I didn't make it no 
one else can. He choose to forget that his shot at it was half-hearted and 
lasted only a few years. When someone like Fleetwood comes along he is reminded 
of a wasted life and as we can see in almost every post here these days, 
becomes so angry he makes things up to the degree he believes in it. Instead of 
angry at Fleetwood and Richard reminding this poor fellow of his wasted life he 
should be grateful. Though 70 years old he could still pick up his mantra and 
make something useful out of his remaining years. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

On 11/24/2014 4:21 PM, TurquoiseBeeturq

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's teachings and those of Maharishi

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Yaw, I've veen vatching zeezon vree of "Lillyhammer" on da Netflix.  In 
zee epizode vour zee staff at ze Flamingo are learnzing meditation, not 
ze TM kind but ze "mindfulness" kind.  It alzo zeems zey hast gottzen 
tired of cold and snowy Norvay and shot zum zeens in Rio.


On 11/26/2014 04:37 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
*/Tormod, it may interest you to know that the person who has been 
giving you such a hard time while posting anonymously as Nablusos1008 
also lives in Norway.

/*
*/
/*
*/He *claims* to have been a TM teacher and even claims to have spent 
some time on TM Purusha courses in the past. But it's important to 
remember that these are unsubstantiated claims because 1) he posts 
anonymously, so no one knows his name, 2) as far as we can tell he 
wouldn't be allowed anywhere near a real TM facility these days 
because of his association with and promotion of Off The Program 
teachers such as Benjamin Creme, and 3) he spends so much of his time 
being angry and lashing out at anyone who isn't him that it's doubtful 
he ever meditated a day in his life.

/*
*/
/*
*/Nabby (our nickname for him, since literally no one here takes him 
seriously) is regarded by most as a crank. He tends to write about his 
belief in aliens that he calls the "Space Brothers" and about the 
supposed savior "Maitreya" touted by his real teacher Benjamin Creme, 
who has been about to appear any day now for almost thirty years. 
Without ever appearing, of course.  :-)

/*
*/
/*
*/If you're there "on the ground" in Norway and in touch with real 
TMers, ask around. Someone probably knows who this guy claiming to be 
a former TM teacher really is. Let us know when you find out. /*



*From:* "Tormod Kinnes tkin...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 26, 2014 1:24 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev's teachings and those of Maharishi

RALLYING THROUGH SUSPICIONS

Nablusoss1008 - if that is your real name . . .

I would not have written what I did if Maharishi had not himself
warned that  this exact situation would arise some time in the
future. I've never for a moment believed that Paul Mason has the
Movement's progress as one of his priorities.
As for the rest of what you wrote it's mostly blabber, same stuff
as your "review" of An Autobiography of A Yogi.


Every wild donkey has a right to be on its guard of predators and 
humans. You look much more like a clown to me, but . . . you may be on 
the side of Jesus. He not only suspected his family contained enemies 
who would kill him - and they tried to - but warned in public that "a 
man's enemies will be the members of his own household." (Matthew 
10:36). You are not of my household, thanks God!


Go and suspect wisely and well on Biblical ground, you! But don't be rash.

There is Buddha's great  advice to investigate - going against dumb 
belief - a help to suspect well, try to live wisely and well, a candle 
in a dark, dark cave:


"Etha tumhe Kalama. Ma anussavena, ma paramparaya, ma itikiraya,
ma pitasampadanena, ma takkahetu, ma nayahetu, ma
akaraparivitakkena, nid ditthinijjhanakkhantiya, ma
bhabbarupataya, ma samanro no garu ti."


It says, in one translation:

Do not accept anything on mere hearsay (ie, thinking that thus
have we heard it for a long time).
Do not accept anything by mere tradition (ie, thinking that it has
been handed down thus through many generations).
Do not accept anything on account of rumours (ie, by believing
what others say without any investigation).
Do not accept anything just because it accords with your scriptures.
Do not accept anything by mere supposition.
Do not accept anything by mere inference.
Do not accept anything by merely considering the appearances.
Do not accept anything merely because it agrees with your
preconceived notions.
Do not accept anything merely because it seems acceptable (ie,
should be accepted).
Do not accept anything thinking that the ascetic is respected by
us (and that therefore it is right to accept his word.)
But when you know for yourselves - these things are immoral, these
things are blameworthy, these things are censured by the wise,
these things, when performed and undertaken, conduce to ruin and
sorrow - then reject them.
When you know for yourselves - these things are moral, these
things are blameless, these things are praised by the wise, these
things, when performed and undertaken, conduce to well-being and
happiness - then live and act accordingly." [This section: Bht 284-85]


So, try to benefit from the art of suspicion also, learn to 
investigate like a human.


By the way, anonymous posters are a motley crew with many uncultivable 
cowards in it ... You can take it to heart. I do not say you

[FairfieldLife] Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to Maharishi Mahesh

[nablusoss1008]

As a follow up to Tormod's post. By Hans Bruncken
 Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to Maharishi Mahes 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdoEduxgRsY
 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdoEduxgRsY 
 
 Brahmananda Saraswati passes on his Jiva to Maha... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdoEduxgRsY A Story told by the Maharaja of 
Kanju Singh Deo in 1974 to Hans Bruncken.
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Dosha=defect (Sanskrit)

[wgm4u]

In *AyurVed* the doshas meaning is different.  Dosha in Ayurved are the three 
humors of the body;  kapha, pitta, and vata.

In *Yoga* the meaning is-Dosha : Defect ; imperfection ; blemish ; fault ; 
shortcoming . In Yoga philosophy there are five doshas : lust ( kama ) , anger 
( krodha ) , greed ( lobha ) , delusion ( moha ) , and envy ( matsarya ).