[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy

[salyavin808]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Alex.  I seems that Natural Law has taken effect, given the fact that 
the banished ones were vehemently against the TMO.  It's karma in action.
 

 So people get banned from FFL because they agree with Stephen Hawking now? 
 

 Does the universe approve of the TMO so much it self-organises people away 
from the privileged few who "understand", triggering some sort of cosmic 
adjustment that manifests in Buck's head to expel them from the forum? 
 

 Is this to avoid upsetting the people who remain, maybe by offering them an 
alternative to think about?
 

 I find it hard to believe you are serious. Do you think you understand 
anything Stephen Hawking has ever said?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
Xeno was banished by Forum Marshall Doug.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm guessing that they all agree with Stephen Hawking's theory about the Big 
Bang.  If not, I'd be very surprised.   

 Also, I'm wondering if Xeno has gone over there voluntarily or was he banished 
from FFL, like Pastor Barry and MJ?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 FYI, this morning and afternoon Barry, Sal2, salyavin, Michael, and Xeno have 
been busy cobbling together an alternate version of reality that will 
presumably enable them to feel better about themselves. The different, er, 
perspective is quite remarkable. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No, definitely a she.  But...when Alex had the gall to tap 
on the brakes a little last week, thinking aloud if a particular post might 
have intruded on someone's privacy, she comes charging out of the gate calling 
him a pussy, and a wussy, a coward and an otherwise poor excuse for human 
being, I thought to myself, gene menetley, is this isn't a candidate for a 
nagging wife, who is? 

 But, maybe that's what 'ol Bar needs at this stage in his life. 
 

 I'll let you follow the activities of the love birds. I don't think I'll be 
able to attend the wedding, however. Please forward my regrets.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Actually, it's sorta sweet over there, Ann. 

 It's as though Barry's taken a wife, and we get to see the honeymoon, all up 
close and personal.
 

 They haven't yet come up with pet names for one another, but I suspect that 
should be happening soon.  
 
NIce. I am happy for them. It is amazing the kind of connections one can 
make online. Forums are no exception. You just know when the vibe is right and 
all is groovy. Listen to me, I'm just a tad giddy with the news. Are we sure 
Sal is a woman? There are many men out there with that name. That's fine my be 
me though, I'm one of those FB posters who changed their profile picture to all 
those neat rainbow colors to show my support for same sex marriage so even if 
Sal is a man I'm all for it. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have, so far managed to refrain from looking at FFL2 (except for that first 
morning Alex said he had set up a new site for the sake of quelling the moaning 
of the masses). For all I know, they're rehearsing for their next collaborative 
performance of "Much Ado About Nothing". Or, perhaps, they are discussing how 
to help in ending world hunger or are raising money for the homeless. It's 
amazing how much positivity and intelligence can be generated when people get 
together as like-minded individuals. The whole is greater than the sum of the 
parts - or so "they" say. Yes, I am sure FFL2 must be a dazzling example of the 
heights to which individuals can soar when they put their mind to it.  

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: world peace through TM and TM-Sidhis

[salyavin808]

 Now we actually know that you are kidding!
 

 Have you ever sat down and thought about any of this? Obviously you get some 
sort of personal validation from these grandiose statements but really, do you 
think the rest of the world is so stupid that they didn't check this out and 
dismiss it? 
 

 If woo-woo rays were real we'd all be using them, there wouldn't be any war, 
there wouldn't be a police force by now and there wouldn't be a FF mental 
health alliance. Unless people there are so close to the awesome technology 
they are processing the stress of the world and it's making them temporarily 
"unstress", I bet that old saw has been passed round the cafeteria a few times. 
 

 Come on, don't just post links to the brochures, do some leg work. Think about 
it. They don't even offer an explanation for how it might work even if the 
dubious statistics were real.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Maharishi Effect | Maharishi University of Management 
https://www.mum.edu/about-mum/consciousness-based-education/tm-research/maharishi-effect/

 
 
 
https://www.mum.edu/about-mum/consciousness-based-education/tm-research/maharishi-effect/
 
 Maharishi Effect | Maharishi University of Management 
https://www.mum.edu/about-mum/consciousness-based-education/tm-research/maharishi-effect/
 “I think the claim can be plausibly made that the potential impact of this 
research exceeds that of any other ongoing social or psychological research 
program.


 
 View on www.mum.edu 
https://www.mum.edu/about-mum/consciousness-based-education/tm-research/maharishi-effect/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research on TM

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 “Transcendental Meditation benefits from a vast body of 40 years of research 
showing very powerful long-lasting reductions in stress and sustained 
improvements in health.” Try telling that to the FF mental health alliance.
 

 —Norman Rosenthal, MD, renowned psychiatrist, medical researcher, and 
best-selling author Our Work https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/research.html

 
 
 https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/research.html
 
 Our Work https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/research.html Over 340 
peer-reviewed studies verify the benefits of the Transcendental Meditation 
technique for reducing stress and improving performance and quality of life


 
 View on www.davidlynchfoun... 
https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/research.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pentaquark Discovered

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I understand it, Planck is the guy that proposed it is impossible to 
measure anything smaller than 10 to the power of -23 centimeters.  As such, 
that is effectively the juncture between the relative and the absolute.  John 
Hagelin proposed that is where the quantum foam rises from the unified field.  
IMO, the proposal is logical and is the likely explanation for the Big Ban. 

 However, physicists like Stephen Hawking do not believe in this theory since 
they believe in the material world paradigm.  Therefore, they believe  that the 
quantum is the smallest matter in the universe--meaning that they have to 
conclude that the universe created itself.  IMO, this conclusion is illogical 
and foolish, notwithstanding their education and research in physics.
 

 Hawking does believe in this theory because it's the same thing. He would just 
dispute that it has anything to do with consciousness.
 

 As far as the universe goes it would have to have arisen somehow from the 
Planck scale because everything does. It's just a convenient unit to describe 
everything else, smaller than that and the maths become meaningless, like the 
statement that the "quantum foam" is conscious, what does it mean?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re "If it's small you want": 

 Well the Planck length is tiny - TO US! Let's not be chauvinist in our 
judgements.
 

 It's never been clear to me whether the Planck length is the smallest size 
any-thing can possibly be, or if it is "just" an impassable barrier for us with 
our human limitations. Are there - at least as a possibility - infinite worlds 
smaller still that we shall never be able to access? 
 

 I've also come across the idea that men and women are size-wise (six feet 
tall) approximately in the middle between the Planck length on the one hand and 
the supposed size of the Universe on the other. Is that significant? Perhaps in 
one sense we really are the centre of the Universe
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 If it's small you want, check out the total perspective vortex:
 

 The Scale of the Universe 2 http://htwins.net/scale2/ 
 
 The Scale of the Universe 2 http://htwins.net/scale2/ Zoom from the edge of 
the universe to the quantum foam of spacetime and learn about everything in 
between.


 
 View on htwins.net http://htwins.net/scale2/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 My guess is that they'll find exotic particles that are smaller than the 
previous one.  But how far can the LHC go?  In the meantime, the leading 
physicists will have a field day in making speculations about what happened at 
the moment of the Big Bang or even before the Big Bang.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The investment in the LHC is paying off.  There may be other discoveries that 
will pave new developments in physics.  But will it lead to the Unified Field?
 

 Perhaps it already has?
 

 Insight into the 'energy of the vacuum' 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy More speculatively, the Higgs field 
has also been proposed as the energy of the vacuum 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy, which at the extreme energies of 
the first moments of the Big Bang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang caused 
the universe to be a kind of featureless symmetry of undifferentiated extremely 
high energy. In this kind of speculation, the single unified field of a Grand 
Unified Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Unified_Theory is identified 
as (or modeled upon) the Higgs field, and it is through successive symmetry 
breakings of the Higgs field or some similar field at phase transitions 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_transition that the present universe's 
known forces and fields arise 

 From:
 

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson

 

 

 

 

 

 

 







  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pentaquark Discovered

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re "If it's small you want": 

 Well the Planck length is tiny - TO US! Let's not be chauvinist in our 
judgements.
 

 It's never been clear to me whether the Planck length is the smallest size 
any-thing can possibly be, or if it is "just" an impassable barrier for us with 
our human limitations. Are there - at least as a possibility - infinite worlds 
smaller still that we shall never be able to access? 
 

 No. The Planck length defines the smallest level at which things can be 
discriminated. After that there is no difference between anything, so not much 
for actual things to be made out of.
 

 

 I've also come across the idea that men and women are size-wise (six feet 
tall) approximately in the middle between the Planck length on the one hand and 
the supposed size of the Universe on the other. Is that significant? Perhaps in 
one sense we really are the centre of the Universe
 

 I like it, never heard that one before but on our Scale of the Universe app 
here, which starts at the size of a man, the planck length is 10 to the power 
of minus-35 and the largest scale is 10 to the power of 27. So we are quite a 
lot larger than we are small. And the universe is expanding at the speed of 
light so whatever figure you work out has shrunk massively by the time you've 
typed it.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 If it's small you want, check out the total perspective vortex:
 

 The Scale of the Universe 2 http://htwins.net/scale2/ 
 
 The Scale of the Universe 2 http://htwins.net/scale2/ Zoom from the edge of 
the universe to the quantum foam of spacetime and learn about everything in 
between.


 
 View on htwins.net http://htwins.net/scale2/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 My guess is that they'll find exotic particles that are smaller than the 
previous one.  But how far can the LHC go?  In the meantime, the leading 
physicists will have a field day in making speculations about what happened at 
the moment of the Big Bang or even before the Big Bang.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The investment in the LHC is paying off.  There may be other discoveries that 
will pave new developments in physics.  But will it lead to the Unified Field?
 

 Perhaps it already has?
 

 Insight into the 'energy of the vacuum' 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy More speculatively, the Higgs field 
has also been proposed as the energy of the vacuum 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy, which at the extreme energies of 
the first moments of the Big Bang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang caused 
the universe to be a kind of featureless symmetry of undifferentiated extremely 
high energy. In this kind of speculation, the single unified field of a Grand 
Unified Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Unified_Theory is identified 
as (or modeled upon) the Higgs field, and it is through successive symmetry 
breakings of the Higgs field or some similar field at phase transitions 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_transition that the present universe's 
known forces and fields arise 

 From:
 

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson

 

 

 

 

 

 

 







  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pentaquark Discovered

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

As I understand it, Planck is the guy that proposed it is impossible to measure 
anything smaller than 10 to the power of -23 centimeters.  As such, that is 
effectively the juncture between the relative and the absolute.  John Hagelin 
proposed that is where the quantum foam rises from the unified field.  IMO, the 
proposal is logical and is the likely explanation for the Big Ban. 

 However, physicists like Stephen Hawking do not believe in this theory since 
they believe in the material world paradigm.  Therefore, they believe  that the 
quantum is the smallest matter in the universe--meaning that they have to 
conclude that the universe created itself.  IMO, this conclusion is illogical 
and foolish, notwithstanding their education and research in physics.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re "If it's small you want": 

 Well the Planck length is tiny - TO US! Let's not be chauvinist in our 
judgements.
 

 It's never been clear to me whether the Planck length is the smallest size 
any-thing can possibly be, or if it is "just" an impassable barrier for us with 
our human limitations. Are there - at least as a possibility - infinite worlds 
smaller still that we shall never be able to access? 
 

 I've also come across the idea that men and women are size-wise (six feet 
tall) approximately in the middle between the Planck length on the one hand and 
the supposed size of the Universe on the other. Is that significant? Perhaps in 
one sense we really are the centre of the Universe
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 If it's small you want, check out the total perspective vortex:
 

 The Scale of the Universe 2 http://htwins.net/scale2/ 
 
 The Scale of the Universe 2 http://htwins.net/scale2/ Zoom from the edge of 
the universe to the quantum foam of spacetime and learn about everything in 
between.


 
 View on htwins.net http://htwins.net/scale2/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 My guess is that they'll find exotic particles that are smaller than the 
previous one.  But how far can the LHC go?  In the meantime, the leading 
physicists will have a field day in making speculations about what happened at 
the moment of the Big Bang or even before the Big Bang.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The investment in the LHC is paying off.  There may be other discoveries that 
will pave new developments in physics.  But will it lead to the Unified Field?
 

 Perhaps it already has?
 

 Insight into the 'energy of the vacuum' 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy More speculatively, the Higgs field 
has also been proposed as the energy of the vacuum 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy, which at the extreme energies of 
the first moments of the Big Bang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang caused 
the universe to be a kind of featureless symmetry of undifferentiated extremely 
high energy. In this kind of speculation, the single unified field of a Grand 
Unified Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Unified_Theory is identified 
as (or modeled upon) the Higgs field, and it is through successive symmetry 
breakings of the Higgs field or some similar field at phase transitions 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_transition that the present universe's 
known forces and fields arise 

 From:
 

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson

 

 

 

 

 

 

 







  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 FYI, this morning and afternoon Barry, Sal2, salyavin, Michael, and Xeno have 
been busy cobbling together an alternate version of reality that will 
presumably enable them to feel better about themselves. The different, er, 
perspective is quite remarkable.
 

 You mean they haven't raised millions for the unfed? Gotten their production 
of "Much Ado About Nothing" on the road yet? "Cobbling together an alternate 
version of reality..." sounds interesting though. Perhaps when they are ready 
they can unleash it on the whole world. In the meantime, I'll imagine it might 
be something worthwhile until I see evidence of it within my reality.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No, definitely a she.  But...when Alex had the gall to tap 
on the brakes a little last week, thinking aloud if a particular post might 
have intruded on someone's privacy, she comes charging out of the gate calling 
him a pussy, and a wussy, a coward and an otherwise poor excuse for human 
being, I thought to myself, gene menetley, is this isn't a candidate for a 
nagging wife, who is? 

 But, maybe that's what 'ol Bar needs at this stage in his life. 
 

 I'll let you follow the activities of the love birds. I don't think I'll be 
able to attend the wedding, however. Please forward my regrets.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Actually, it's sorta sweet over there, Ann. 

 It's as though Barry's taken a wife, and we get to see the honeymoon, all up 
close and personal.
 

 They haven't yet come up with pet names for one another, but I suspect that 
should be happening soon.  
 
NIce. I am happy for them. It is amazing the kind of connections one can 
make online. Forums are no exception. You just know when the vibe is right and 
all is groovy. Listen to me, I'm just a tad giddy with the news. Are we sure 
Sal is a woman? There are many men out there with that name. That's fine my be 
me though, I'm one of those FB posters who changed their profile picture to all 
those neat rainbow colors to show my support for same sex marriage so even if 
Sal is a man I'm all for it. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have, so far managed to refrain from looking at FFL2 (except for that first 
morning Alex said he had set up a new site for the sake of quelling the moaning 
of the masses). For all I know, they're rehearsing for their next collaborative 
performance of "Much Ado About Nothing". Or, perhaps, they are discussing how 
to help in ending world hunger or are raising money for the homeless. It's 
amazing how much positivity and intelligence can be generated when people get 
together as like-minded individuals. The whole is greater than the sum of the 
parts - or so "they" say. Yes, I am sure FFL2 must be a dazzling example of the 
heights to which individuals can soar when they put their mind to it.  

 

[FairfieldLife] Truth about the Rajas

[srijau]

the most transparent NGO in the whole world, hosting its communication on the 
web and open to anyone to watch
http://www.maharishichannel.in/archives/gfc2-2015.html 
http://www.maharishichannel.in/archives/gfc2-2015.html
 

[FairfieldLife] Fundraising- the real story

[srijau]

Uganda 
http://seedsofheaven.org/where-we-work/africa/2-uncategorised/38-uganda.html

 
 
 http://seedsofheaven.org/where-we-work/africa/2-uncategorised/38-uganda.html 
 
 Uganda 
http://seedsofheaven.org/where-we-work/africa/2-uncategorised/38-uganda.html 
Uganda Seeds of Heaven has supported a number of projects in Uganda since 2009 
(see below). 
 
 
 
 View on seedsofheaven.org 
http://seedsofheaven.org/where-we-work/africa/2-uncategorised/38-uganda.html 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] world peace through TM and TM-Sidhis

[srijau]

Maharishi Effect | Maharishi University of Management 
https://www.mum.edu/about-mum/consciousness-based-education/tm-research/maharishi-effect/

 
 
 
https://www.mum.edu/about-mum/consciousness-based-education/tm-research/maharishi-effect/
 
 
 Maharishi Effect | Maharishi University of Management 
https://www.mum.edu/about-mum/consciousness-based-education/tm-research/maharishi-effect/
 “I think the claim can be plausibly made that the potential impact of this 
research exceeds that of any other ongoing social or psychological research 
program. 
 
 
 
 View on www.mum.edu 
https://www.mum.edu/about-mum/consciousness-based-education/tm-research/maharishi-effect/
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yep, well said.

Spirit possession is not related to the practice of TM or any form of yoga - 
whether described by Patanjali or codified in the Agamas and Tantras of 
Vaishnavas, Shaivas or Shaktas.

[FairfieldLife] Research on TM

[srijau]

“Transcendental Meditation benefits from a vast body of 40 years of research 
showing very powerful long-lasting reductions in stress and sustained 
improvements in health.” —Norman Rosenthal, MD, renowned psychiatrist, medical 
researcher, and best-selling author Our Work 
https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/research.html

 
 
 https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/research.html 
 
 Our Work https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/research.html Over 340 
peer-reviewed studies verify the benefits of the Transcendental Meditation 
technique for reducing stress and improving performance and quality of life
 
 
 
 View on www.davidlynchfoun... 
https://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/research.html 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Top Ten Reasons TM Really Really Sucks

[feste37]

I see you're running your "angry drunk in a bar" tape again, Edg, although I 
suspect it's just an act. But why don't you try it out on FFL2, where it will 
probably be hailed as post of the week for its bold truth-telling and fearless 
ideas?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 1.  It fucking doesn't work.
 
2.  You have to pay about a thousand fucking dollars for it.  
 
3.  About 98% of all persons who start TM quit forever within a few months with 
no results.
 

 4.  The TM organization is run like a right-wing-religious cult, but is merely 
a business taken over by a criminal in India.
 
5.  Your mantra is determined by what age you are when you learn -- no other 
criteria is used, even though you will be told your mantra is especially 
selected for you just you and nobody else but you poop-poopy-doop!  Some 
teachers give the same mantra to everyone.  Other teachers have a dozen to give 
out.  No logical explanations for this.
 

 6.  Most of the science used to sell TM is bogus -- conducted by biased minds 
intent on tweaking the data.

7.  20 minutes meditating twice a day is a joke to almost anyone in the 
movement.  4-6 hours a day spent in TMO sanctioned rituals is the accepted norm 
for those who are serious about using the TM program.  

8.  Every TM teacher worships the spirits of dead gurus when doing the puja, 
but you will never hear about the puja being a religious ritual in which the 
teacher is attempting to enter a quasi-trance state.

9.  Rich assholes with castrated psyches, wearing cringe-worthy crowns and 
robes, expect their asses to be kissed as they pretend they run the movement, 
but they are silly-ass powerless stooges who think of meditators as fodder for 
money raising projects.


  10.  Doug

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Possession is 9/10ths of the laws of narure

  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 6:53 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers
   
 Possession is not part of TM or most any other form of meditation.  It is 
a part of other paths rituals not limited to Subud.  In tantra we have ways of 
removing possession.
 
 On 07/14/2015 02:54 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  


    Re "a form of mind-body discordance that cedes control of the nervous 
system": 
  Isn't that TM also?
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 MMY said Subud is a form of spirit possession. 
 
 Whether it is an actual spirit-entity or an amorphic spirit energy, it is 
still a form of mind-body discordance that cedes control of the nervous system. 
That alone marked Subud as verboten to MMY. 
 
 I heard him say so in one of my TTC's - maybe at Humboldt State U. in Arcata, 
Calif. during the summer of 1971 or perhaps Fiuggi in the spring of 1972.
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Possession is not part of TM or most any other form of meditation.  It 
is a part of other paths rituals not limited to Subud.  In tantra we 
have ways of removing possession.


On 07/14/2015 02:54 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Re "a form of mind-body discordance that cedes control of the nervous 
system":



Isn't that TM also?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

MMY said Subud is a form of spirit possession.

Whether it is an actual spirit-entity or an amorphic spirit energy, it 
is still a form of mind-body discordance that cedes control of the 
nervous system. That alone marked Subud as verboten to MMY.


I heard him say so in one of my TTC's - maybe at Humboldt State U. in 
Arcata, Calif. during the summer of 1971 or perhaps Fiuggi in the 
spring of 1972.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Top Ten Reasons TM Really Really Sucks

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Unfortunately, I think you are right. 

 There doesn't seem to be any real interest on Edg's part in "connecting" with 
anyone here.
 

 Just a lot of the "self indulgent", as you say.  
 

 Not sure about the the_peak, but I think the best days of FFL, and FFL-2 (even 
in its infancy) are behind us.
 

 Come to think of it, I don't anyone is really interested in connecting.
 

 Maybe that's just hitting 60, or 70, or whatever the case may be.  (-:
 

 I like connecting but this forum phenomenon is fairly new to me. There is a 
whole world out there where people stare at white screens and think of things 
to say to other people on all sorts of subjects. It seems some of these people 
are great communicators and smart at the same time. Some are smart but not 
great communicators. Others apparently have no other outside interests or 
friends or things to keep them away from a computer but they are reasonably 
benign. Others seem to exist online purely for the opportunity it gives them to 
blather on or insult others in a way that allows them to take no ownership of 
what they say or do in a meaningful way - like the guy who runs over the dog 
and leaves it to flail around in the middle of the road. Fascinating but not 
always pleasant and certainly not always worthwhile to spend time reading. 
However! Currently the original group has chosen its preferred flavor of 
interaction now that one has become three. Some were forced to find another 
outlet - and some are straddling the line between two forums while others are 
sticking to just one place. 
 

 As far as Edg is concerned I just see his posts as all out 
give-it-all-you've-got brinkmanship with a, believe it or not, generous dollop 
of playfulness that can come across as a hearty slap in the face. I'm 
personally terrified of the guy so I just look the other way when I see him 
coming or nod dutifully.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So what?
  
 Your rants are meaningless. They are examples of self-indulgent fixation upon 
your own imagined self-importance. As if your opinions are the clarion trumpet 
of truth! Ranting your obscenities influences no one - except those afraid of 
you. 
 
 However, there is another way.
 
 When the Desert Father, Saint Anthony the Great, first came out of the desert 
after many years, people who saw him were stunned by his austere radiance. When 
approached about what he had done for the past decade, he only said - "I have 
seen Him."
  
 The impact of his gaze upon them was immeasurable …
 However, braggadocio is cheap. It inhabits every crack-house. 
 Change that. Be a blessing to those who know you.
 
 “Helps some, doesn't help some” ... so what?
 Earthly life is a stinkun field of "help some - doesn't help some". 
 
 Maybe you outta go trike yourself. You'll feel so much better.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 1.  It fucking doesn't work.
 
2.  You have to pay about a thousand fucking dollars for it.  
 
3.  About 98% of all persons who start TM quit forever within a few months with 
no results.
 

 4.  The TM organization is run like a right-wing-religious cult, but is merely 
a business taken over by a criminal in India.
 
5.  Your mantra is determined by what age you are when you learn -- no other 
criteria is used, even though you will be told your mantra is especially 
selected for you just you and nobody else but you poop-poopy-doop!  Some 
teachers give the same mantra to everyone.  Other teachers have a dozen to give 
out.  No logical explanations for this.
 

 6.  Most of the science used to sell TM is bogus -- conducted by biased minds 
intent on tweaking the data.

7.  20 minutes meditating twice a day is a joke to almost anyone in the 
movement.  4-6 hours a day spent in TMO sanctioned rituals is the accepted norm 
for those who are serious about using the TM program.  

8.  Every TM teacher worships the spirits of dead gurus when doing the puja, 
but you will never hear about the puja being a religious ritual in which the 
teacher is attempting to enter a quasi-trance state.

9.  Rich assholes with castrated psyches, wearing cringe-worthy crowns and 
robes, expect their asses to be kissed as they pretend they run the movement, 
but they are silly-ass powerless stooges who think of meditators as fodder for 
money raising projects.


  10.  Doug

[FairfieldLife] Re: Top Ten Reasons TM Really Really Sucks

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Unfortunately, I think you are right. 

 There doesn't seem to be any real interest on Edg's part in "connecting" with 
anyone here.
 

 Just a lot of the "self indulgent", as you say.  
 

 Not sure about the the_peak, but I think the best days of FFL, and FFL-2 (even 
in its infancy) are behind us.
 

 Come to think of it, I don't anyone is really interested in connecting.
 

 Maybe that's just hitting 60, or 70, or whatever the case may be.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So what?
  
 Your rants are meaningless. They are examples of self-indulgent fixation upon 
your own imagined self-importance. As if your opinions are the clarion trumpet 
of truth! Ranting your obscenities influences no one - except those afraid of 
you. 
 
 However, there is another way.
 
 When the Desert Father, Saint Anthony the Great, first came out of the desert 
after many years, people who saw him were stunned by his austere radiance. When 
approached about what he had done for the past decade, he only said - "I have 
seen Him."
  
 The impact of his gaze upon them was immeasurable …
 However, braggadocio is cheap. It inhabits every crack-house. 
 Change that. Be a blessing to those who know you.
 
 “Helps some, doesn't help some” ... so what?
 Earthly life is a stinkun field of "help some - doesn't help some". 
 
 Maybe you outta go trike yourself. You'll feel so much better.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 1.  It fucking doesn't work.
 
2.  You have to pay about a thousand fucking dollars for it.  
 
3.  About 98% of all persons who start TM quit forever within a few months with 
no results.
 

 4.  The TM organization is run like a right-wing-religious cult, but is merely 
a business taken over by a criminal in India.
 
5.  Your mantra is determined by what age you are when you learn -- no other 
criteria is used, even though you will be told your mantra is especially 
selected for you just you and nobody else but you poop-poopy-doop!  Some 
teachers give the same mantra to everyone.  Other teachers have a dozen to give 
out.  No logical explanations for this.
 

 6.  Most of the science used to sell TM is bogus -- conducted by biased minds 
intent on tweaking the data.

7.  20 minutes meditating twice a day is a joke to almost anyone in the 
movement.  4-6 hours a day spent in TMO sanctioned rituals is the accepted norm 
for those who are serious about using the TM program.  

8.  Every TM teacher worships the spirits of dead gurus when doing the puja, 
but you will never hear about the puja being a religious ritual in which the 
teacher is attempting to enter a quasi-trance state.

9.  Rich assholes with castrated psyches, wearing cringe-worthy crowns and 
robes, expect their asses to be kissed as they pretend they run the movement, 
but they are silly-ass powerless stooges who think of meditators as fodder for 
money raising projects.


  10.  Doug

[FairfieldLife] Re: Top Ten Reasons TM Really Really Sucks

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

So what?
  
 Your rants are meaningless. They are examples of self-indulgent fixation upon 
your own imagined self-importance. As if your opinions are the clarion trumpet 
of truth! Ranting your obscenities influences no one - except those afraid of 
you. 
 
 However, there is another way.
 
 When the Desert Father, Saint Anthony the Great, first came out of the desert 
after many years, people who saw him were stunned by his austere radiance. When 
approached about what he had done for the past decade, he only said - "I have 
seen Him." 
  
 The impact of his gaze upon them was immeasurable …
 However, braggadocio is cheap. It inhabits every crack-house. 
 Change that. Be a blessing to those who know you.
 
 “Helps some, doesn't help some” ... so what?
 Earthly life is a stinkun field of "help some - doesn't help some". 
 
 Maybe you outta go trike yourself. You'll feel so much better.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 1.  It fucking doesn't work.
 
2.  You have to pay about a thousand fucking dollars for it.  
 
3.  About 98% of all persons who start TM quit forever within a few months with 
no results.
 

 4.  The TM organization is run like a right-wing-religious cult, but is merely 
a business taken over by a criminal in India.
 
5.  Your mantra is determined by what age you are when you learn -- no other 
criteria is used, even though you will be told your mantra is especially 
selected for you just you and nobody else but you poop-poopy-doop!  Some 
teachers give the same mantra to everyone.  Other teachers have a dozen to give 
out.  No logical explanations for this.
 

 6.  Most of the science used to sell TM is bogus -- conducted by biased minds 
intent on tweaking the data.

7.  20 minutes meditating twice a day is a joke to almost anyone in the 
movement.  4-6 hours a day spent in TMO sanctioned rituals is the accepted norm 
for those who are serious about using the TM program.  

8.  Every TM teacher worships the spirits of dead gurus when doing the puja, 
but you will never hear about the puja being a religious ritual in which the 
teacher is attempting to enter a quasi-trance state.

9.  Rich assholes with castrated psyches, wearing cringe-worthy crowns and 
robes, expect their asses to be kissed as they pretend they run the movement, 
but they are silly-ass powerless stooges who think of meditators as fodder for 
money raising projects.


  10.  Doug

[FairfieldLife] Re: Top Ten Reasons TM Really Really Sucks

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It occurred to me Edg, that one question that may serve as a reality check, is, 
 

 do you regret the time you spent in service to, or with, the TMO?
 

 I asked this question of sal, but got no response.
 

 To my mind it helps to bottom line the whole experience.
 

 For me, I have no regrets.  There are some things I would have done 
differently, which may have produced a different outcome for me today, but no, 
I have no regrets.
 

 The development of consciousness outlined by MMY, and described in the Vedic 
literature, and also described in western texts has become a reality for me in 
many respects.
 

 And one that has developed over 40 years.  I mention that to at least discount 
the element of mood making or power of suggestion that many would ascribe to 
these experiences.
 

 It does perplex me to see so much energy expended by those who find fault with 
the methodology and teacher they spent considerable time attuning themselves 
with, or, in many cases may have left decades ago.
 

 I am not sure how you really move forward with that mindset.
 

 I guess it would surprise me to get a response from you as well, as you seem 
more suited to just spouting off.
 

 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 1.  It fucking doesn't work.
 
2.  You have to pay about a thousand fucking dollars for it.  
 
3.  About 98% of all persons who start TM quit forever within a few months with 
no results.
 

 4.  The TM organization is run like a right-wing-religious cult, but is merely 
a business taken over by a criminal in India.
 
5.  Your mantra is determined by what age you are when you learn -- no other 
criteria is used, even though you will be told your mantra is especially 
selected for you just you and nobody else but you poop-poopy-doop!  Some 
teachers give the same mantra to everyone.  Other teachers have a dozen to give 
out.  No logical explanations for this.
 

 6.  Most of the science used to sell TM is bogus -- conducted by biased minds 
intent on tweaking the data.

7.  20 minutes meditating twice a day is a joke to almost anyone in the 
movement.  4-6 hours a day spent in TMO sanctioned rituals is the accepted norm 
for those who are serious about using the TM program.  

8.  Every TM teacher worships the spirits of dead gurus when doing the puja, 
but you will never hear about the puja being a religious ritual in which the 
teacher is attempting to enter a quasi-trance state.

9.  Rich assholes with castrated psyches, wearing cringe-worthy crowns and 
robes, expect their asses to be kissed as they pretend they run the movement, 
but they are silly-ass powerless stooges who think of meditators as fodder for 
money raising projects.


  10.  Doug

[FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Re "a form of mind-body discordance that cedes control of the nervous system": 

 Isn't that TM also?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 MMY said Subud is a form of spirit possession. 

Whether it is an actual spirit-entity or an amorphic spirit energy, it is still 
a form of mind-body discordance that cedes control of the nervous system. That 
alone marked Subud as verboten to MMY. 

I heard him say so in one of my TTC's - maybe at Humboldt State U. in Arcata, 
Calif. during the summer of 1971 or perhaps Fiuggi in the spring of 1972.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks, Alex.  I seems that Natural Law has taken effect, given the fact that 
the banished ones were vehemently against the TMO.  It's karma in action.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
Xeno was banished by Forum Marshall Doug.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm guessing that they all agree with Stephen Hawking's theory about the Big 
Bang.  If not, I'd be very surprised.   

 Also, I'm wondering if Xeno has gone over there voluntarily or was he banished 
from FFL, like Pastor Barry and MJ?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 FYI, this morning and afternoon Barry, Sal2, salyavin, Michael, and Xeno have 
been busy cobbling together an alternate version of reality that will 
presumably enable them to feel better about themselves. The different, er, 
perspective is quite remarkable. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No, definitely a she.  But...when Alex had the gall to tap 
on the brakes a little last week, thinking aloud if a particular post might 
have intruded on someone's privacy, she comes charging out of the gate calling 
him a pussy, and a wussy, a coward and an otherwise poor excuse for human 
being, I thought to myself, gene menetley, is this isn't a candidate for a 
nagging wife, who is? 

 But, maybe that's what 'ol Bar needs at this stage in his life. 
 

 I'll let you follow the activities of the love birds. I don't think I'll be 
able to attend the wedding, however. Please forward my regrets.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Actually, it's sorta sweet over there, Ann. 

 It's as though Barry's taken a wife, and we get to see the honeymoon, all up 
close and personal.
 

 They haven't yet come up with pet names for one another, but I suspect that 
should be happening soon.  
 
NIce. I am happy for them. It is amazing the kind of connections one can 
make online. Forums are no exception. You just know when the vibe is right and 
all is groovy. Listen to me, I'm just a tad giddy with the news. Are we sure 
Sal is a woman? There are many men out there with that name. That's fine my be 
me though, I'm one of those FB posters who changed their profile picture to all 
those neat rainbow colors to show my support for same sex marriage so even if 
Sal is a man I'm all for it. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have, so far managed to refrain from looking at FFL2 (except for that first 
morning Alex said he had set up a new site for the sake of quelling the moaning 
of the masses). For all I know, they're rehearsing for their next collaborative 
performance of "Much Ado About Nothing". Or, perhaps, they are discussing how 
to help in ending world hunger or are raising money for the homeless. It's 
amazing how much positivity and intelligence can be generated when people get 
together as like-minded individuals. The whole is greater than the sum of the 
parts - or so "they" say. Yes, I am sure FFL2 must be a dazzling example of the 
heights to which individuals can soar when they put their mind to it.  

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pentaquark Discovered

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Re "If it's small you want": 

 Well the Planck length is tiny - TO US! Let's not be chauvinist in our 
judgements.
 

 It's never been clear to me whether the Planck length is the smallest size 
any-thing can possibly be, or if it is "just" an impassable barrier for us with 
our human limitations. Are there - at least as a possibility - infinite worlds 
smaller still that we shall never be able to access? 
 

 I've also come across the idea that men and women are size-wise (six feet 
tall) approximately in the middle between the Planck length on the one hand and 
the supposed size of the Universe on the other. Is that significant? Perhaps in 
one sense we really are the centre of the Universe
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 If it's small you want, check out the total perspective vortex:
 

 The Scale of the Universe 2 http://htwins.net/scale2/ 
 
 The Scale of the Universe 2 http://htwins.net/scale2/ Zoom from the edge of 
the universe to the quantum foam of spacetime and learn about everything in 
between.


 
 View on htwins.net http://htwins.net/scale2/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 My guess is that they'll find exotic particles that are smaller than the 
previous one.  But how far can the LHC go?  In the meantime, the leading 
physicists will have a field day in making speculations about what happened at 
the moment of the Big Bang or even before the Big Bang.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The investment in the LHC is paying off.  There may be other discoveries that 
will pave new developments in physics.  But will it lead to the Unified Field?
 

 Perhaps it already has?
 

 Insight into the 'energy of the vacuum' 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy More speculatively, the Higgs field 
has also been proposed as the energy of the vacuum 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy, which at the extreme energies of 
the first moments of the Big Bang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang caused 
the universe to be a kind of featureless symmetry of undifferentiated extremely 
high energy. In this kind of speculation, the single unified field of a Grand 
Unified Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Unified_Theory is identified 
as (or modeled upon) the Higgs field, and it is through successive symmetry 
breakings of the Higgs field or some similar field at phase transitions 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_transition that the present universe's 
known forces and fields arise 

 From:
 

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson

 

 

 

 

 

 

 







  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Top Ten Reasons TM Really Really Sucks

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I'll take exception to number 1.It works for me. At least the transcending part 
and experiences of higher states of consciousness as described by M.  However, 
I seem to expect a lot less than most people. Not expecting *enlightenment* 
anytime soon, especially in this life experience. Perhaps after many *life 
times* of this practice, as said in the Gita. But then, I only shoot for 30 
minutes twice a day. Relax, turn off your mind and float down stream. what's 
the rush?

   

   From: Duveyoung 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 4:00 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Top Ten Reasons TM Really Really Sucks
   
    1.  It fucking doesn't work.
2.  You have to pay about a thousand fucking dollars for it.  
3.  About 98% of all persons who start TM quit forever within a few months with 
no results.
4.  The TM organization is run like a right-wing-religious cult, but is merely 
a business taken over by a criminal in India.
5.  Your mantra is determined by what age you are when you learn -- no other 
criteria is used, even though you will be told your mantra is especially 
selected for you just you and nobody else but you poop-poopy-doop!  Some 
teachers give the same mantra to everyone.  Other teachers have a dozen to give 
out.  No logical explanations for this.
6.  Most of the science used to sell TM is bogus -- conducted by biased minds 
intent on tweaking the data.

7.  20 minutes meditating twice a day is a joke to almost anyone in the 
movement.  4-6 hours a day spent in TMO sanctioned rituals is the accepted norm 
for those who are serious about using the TM program.  

8.  Every TM teacher worships the spirits of dead gurus when doing the puja, 
but you will never hear about the puja being a religious ritual in which the 
teacher is attempting to enter a quasi-trance state.

9.  Rich assholes with castrated psyches, wearing cringe-worthy crowns and 
robes, expect their asses to be kissed as they pretend they run the movement, 
but they are silly-ass powerless stooges who think of meditators as fodder for 
money raising projects.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy

[j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy

[j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Xeno was banished by Forum Marshall Doug.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm guessing that they all agree with Stephen Hawking's theory about the Big 
Bang.  If not, I'd be very surprised.   

 Also, I'm wondering if Xeno has gone over there voluntarily or was he banished 
from FFL, like Pastor Barry and MJ?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 FYI, this morning and afternoon Barry, Sal2, salyavin, Michael, and Xeno have 
been busy cobbling together an alternate version of reality that will 
presumably enable them to feel better about themselves. The different, er, 
perspective is quite remarkable. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No, definitely a she.  But...when Alex had the gall to tap 
on the brakes a little last week, thinking aloud if a particular post might 
have intruded on someone's privacy, she comes charging out of the gate calling 
him a pussy, and a wussy, a coward and an otherwise poor excuse for human 
being, I thought to myself, gene menetley, is this isn't a candidate for a 
nagging wife, who is? 

 But, maybe that's what 'ol Bar needs at this stage in his life. 
 

 I'll let you follow the activities of the love birds. I don't think I'll be 
able to attend the wedding, however. Please forward my regrets.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Actually, it's sorta sweet over there, Ann. 

 It's as though Barry's taken a wife, and we get to see the honeymoon, all up 
close and personal.
 

 They haven't yet come up with pet names for one another, but I suspect that 
should be happening soon.  
 
NIce. I am happy for them. It is amazing the kind of connections one can 
make online. Forums are no exception. You just know when the vibe is right and 
all is groovy. Listen to me, I'm just a tad giddy with the news. Are we sure 
Sal is a woman? There are many men out there with that name. That's fine my be 
me though, I'm one of those FB posters who changed their profile picture to all 
those neat rainbow colors to show my support for same sex marriage so even if 
Sal is a man I'm all for it. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have, so far managed to refrain from looking at FFL2 (except for that first 
morning Alex said he had set up a new site for the sake of quelling the moaning 
of the masses). For all I know, they're rehearsing for their next collaborative 
performance of "Much Ado About Nothing". Or, perhaps, they are discussing how 
to help in ending world hunger or are raising money for the homeless. It's 
amazing how much positivity and intelligence can be generated when people get 
together as like-minded individuals. The whole is greater than the sum of the 
parts - or so "they" say. Yes, I am sure FFL2 must be a dazzling example of the 
heights to which individuals can soar when they put their mind to it.  

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

That's twice you've lost the plot about Doug's request. It was addressed to you 
and me concerning our exchange--you know, the one in which you said snotty 
things about me based on an erroneous assumption, and I said a couple of 
(less)-snotty things back. That's what he was objecting to, not comments about 
FFL2 in general, or anything Ann and Steve said. 

 And as far as having anything else to talk about, you might want to do a quick 
count of the posts on FFL2 about the Original FFL (the components of the 
alternate reality I just mentioned). It's going to take a while for everybody 
on both forums to settle down and move on.
 

 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 FYI, this morning and afternoon Barry, Sal2, salyavin, Michael, and Xeno have 
been busy cobbling together an alternate version of reality that will 
presumably enable them to feel better about themselves. The different, er, 
perspective is quite remarkable. 

 Ahem. Didn't you hear our Dear Leader's request to take this tedious BS off 
list?
 

 Don't you people have anything else to talk about?
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I'm guessing that they all agree with Stephen Hawking's theory about the Big 
Bang.  If not, I'd be very surprised.   

 Also, I'm wondering if Xeno has gone over there voluntarily or was he banished 
from FFL, like Pastor Barry and MJ?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 FYI, this morning and afternoon Barry, Sal2, salyavin, Michael, and Xeno have 
been busy cobbling together an alternate version of reality that will 
presumably enable them to feel better about themselves. The different, er, 
perspective is quite remarkable. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No, definitely a she.  But...when Alex had the gall to tap 
on the brakes a little last week, thinking aloud if a particular post might 
have intruded on someone's privacy, she comes charging out of the gate calling 
him a pussy, and a wussy, a coward and an otherwise poor excuse for human 
being, I thought to myself, gene menetley, is this isn't a candidate for a 
nagging wife, who is? 

 But, maybe that's what 'ol Bar needs at this stage in his life. 
 

 I'll let you follow the activities of the love birds. I don't think I'll be 
able to attend the wedding, however. Please forward my regrets.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Actually, it's sorta sweet over there, Ann. 

 It's as though Barry's taken a wife, and we get to see the honeymoon, all up 
close and personal.
 

 They haven't yet come up with pet names for one another, but I suspect that 
should be happening soon.  
 
NIce. I am happy for them. It is amazing the kind of connections one can 
make online. Forums are no exception. You just know when the vibe is right and 
all is groovy. Listen to me, I'm just a tad giddy with the news. Are we sure 
Sal is a woman? There are many men out there with that name. That's fine my be 
me though, I'm one of those FB posters who changed their profile picture to all 
those neat rainbow colors to show my support for same sex marriage so even if 
Sal is a man I'm all for it. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have, so far managed to refrain from looking at FFL2 (except for that first 
morning Alex said he had set up a new site for the sake of quelling the moaning 
of the masses). For all I know, they're rehearsing for their next collaborative 
performance of "Much Ado About Nothing". Or, perhaps, they are discussing how 
to help in ending world hunger or are raising money for the homeless. It's 
amazing how much positivity and intelligence can be generated when people get 
together as like-minded individuals. The whole is greater than the sum of the 
parts - or so "they" say. Yes, I am sure FFL2 must be a dazzling example of the 
heights to which individuals can soar when they put their mind to it.  

 

[FairfieldLife] Top Ten Reasons TM Really Really Sucks

[Duveyoung]

1.  It fucking doesn't work.
 
2.  You have to pay about a thousand fucking dollars for it.  
 
3.  About 98% of all persons who start TM quit forever within a few months with 
no results.
 

 4.  The TM organization is run like a right-wing-religious cult, but is merely 
a business taken over by a criminal in India.
 
5.  Your mantra is determined by what age you are when you learn -- no other 
criteria is used, even though you will be told your mantra is especially 
selected for you just you and nobody else but you poop-poopy-doop!  Some 
teachers give the same mantra to everyone.  Other teachers have a dozen to give 
out.  No logical explanations for this.
 

 6.  Most of the science used to sell TM is bogus -- conducted by biased minds 
intent on tweaking the data.

7.  20 minutes meditating twice a day is a joke to almost anyone in the 
movement.  4-6 hours a day spent in TMO sanctioned rituals is the accepted norm 
for those who are serious about using the TM program.  

8.  Every TM teacher worships the spirits of dead gurus when doing the puja, 
but you will never hear about the puja being a religious ritual in which the 
teacher is attempting to enter a quasi-trance state.

9.  Rich assholes with castrated psyches, wearing cringe-worthy crowns and 
robes, expect their asses to be kissed as they pretend they run the movement, 
but they are silly-ass powerless stooges who think of meditators as fodder for 
money raising projects.


  10.  Doug

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy

[salyavin808]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 FYI, this morning and afternoon Barry, Sal2, salyavin, Michael, and Xeno have 
been busy cobbling together an alternate version of reality that will 
presumably enable them to feel better about themselves. The different, er, 
perspective is quite remarkable. 

 Ahem. Didn't you hear our Dear Leader's request to take this tedious BS off 
list?
 

 Don't you people have anything else to talk about?
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No, definitely a she.  But...when Alex had the gall to tap 
on the brakes a little last week, thinking aloud if a particular post might 
have intruded on someone's privacy, she comes charging out of the gate calling 
him a pussy, and a wussy, a coward and an otherwise poor excuse for human 
being, I thought to myself, gene menetley, is this isn't a candidate for a 
nagging wife, who is? 

 But, maybe that's what 'ol Bar needs at this stage in his life. 
 

 I'll let you follow the activities of the love birds. I don't think I'll be 
able to attend the wedding, however. Please forward my regrets.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Actually, it's sorta sweet over there, Ann. 

 It's as though Barry's taken a wife, and we get to see the honeymoon, all up 
close and personal.
 

 They haven't yet come up with pet names for one another, but I suspect that 
should be happening soon.  
 
NIce. I am happy for them. It is amazing the kind of connections one can 
make online. Forums are no exception. You just know when the vibe is right and 
all is groovy. Listen to me, I'm just a tad giddy with the news. Are we sure 
Sal is a woman? There are many men out there with that name. That's fine my be 
me though, I'm one of those FB posters who changed their profile picture to all 
those neat rainbow colors to show my support for same sex marriage so even if 
Sal is a man I'm all for it. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have, so far managed to refrain from looking at FFL2 (except for that first 
morning Alex said he had set up a new site for the sake of quelling the moaning 
of the masses). For all I know, they're rehearsing for their next collaborative 
performance of "Much Ado About Nothing". Or, perhaps, they are discussing how 
to help in ending world hunger or are raising money for the homeless. It's 
amazing how much positivity and intelligence can be generated when people get 
together as like-minded individuals. The whole is greater than the sum of the 
parts - or so "they" say. Yes, I am sure FFL2 must be a dazzling example of the 
heights to which individuals can soar when they put their mind to it.  

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating Post, Judy

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

FYI, this morning and afternoon Barry, Sal2, salyavin, Michael, and Xeno have 
been busy cobbling together an alternate version of reality that will 
presumably enable them to feel better about themselves. The different, er, 
perspective is quite remarkable. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No, definitely a she.  But...when Alex had the gall to tap 
on the brakes a little last week, thinking aloud if a particular post might 
have intruded on someone's privacy, she comes charging out of the gate calling 
him a pussy, and a wussy, a coward and an otherwise poor excuse for human 
being, I thought to myself, gene menetley, is this isn't a candidate for a 
nagging wife, who is? 

 But, maybe that's what 'ol Bar needs at this stage in his life. 
 

 I'll let you follow the activities of the love birds. I don't think I'll be 
able to attend the wedding, however. Please forward my regrets.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Actually, it's sorta sweet over there, Ann. 

 It's as though Barry's taken a wife, and we get to see the honeymoon, all up 
close and personal.
 

 They haven't yet come up with pet names for one another, but I suspect that 
should be happening soon.  
 
NIce. I am happy for them. It is amazing the kind of connections one can 
make online. Forums are no exception. You just know when the vibe is right and 
all is groovy. Listen to me, I'm just a tad giddy with the news. Are we sure 
Sal is a woman? There are many men out there with that name. That's fine my be 
me though, I'm one of those FB posters who changed their profile picture to all 
those neat rainbow colors to show my support for same sex marriage so even if 
Sal is a man I'm all for it. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have, so far managed to refrain from looking at FFL2 (except for that first 
morning Alex said he had set up a new site for the sake of quelling the moaning 
of the masses). For all I know, they're rehearsing for their next collaborative 
performance of "Much Ado About Nothing". Or, perhaps, they are discussing how 
to help in ending world hunger or are raising money for the homeless. It's 
amazing how much positivity and intelligence can be generated when people get 
together as like-minded individuals. The whole is greater than the sum of the 
parts - or so "they" say. Yes, I am sure FFL2 must be a dazzling example of the 
heights to which individuals can soar when they put their mind to it.  

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pentaquark Discovered

[salyavin808]

 If it's small you want, check out the total perspective vortex:
 

 The Scale of the Universe 2 http://htwins.net/scale2/ 
 
 The Scale of the Universe 2 http://htwins.net/scale2/ Zoom from the edge of 
the universe to the quantum foam of spacetime and learn about everything in 
between.
 
 
 
 View on htwins.net http://htwins.net/scale2/ 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 My guess is that they'll find exotic particles that are smaller than the 
previous one.  But how far can the LHC go?  In the meantime, the leading 
physicists will have a field day in making speculations about what happened at 
the moment of the Big Bang or even before the Big Bang.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The investment in the LHC is paying off.  There may be other discoveries that 
will pave new developments in physics.  But will it lead to the Unified Field?
 

 Perhaps it already has?
 

 Insight into the 'energy of the vacuum' 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy More speculatively, the Higgs field 
has also been proposed as the energy of the vacuum 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy, which at the extreme energies of 
the first moments of the Big Bang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang caused 
the universe to be a kind of featureless symmetry of undifferentiated extremely 
high energy. In this kind of speculation, the single unified field of a Grand 
Unified Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Unified_Theory is identified 
as (or modeled upon) the Higgs field, and it is through successive symmetry 
breakings of the Higgs field or some similar field at phase transitions 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_transition that the present universe's 
known forces and fields arise 

 From:
 

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson

 

 

 

 

 

 

 







  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pentaquark Discovered

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 My guess is that they'll find exotic particles that are smaller than the 
previous one.  But how far can the LHC go?  In the meantime, the leading 
physicists will have a field day in making speculations about what happened at 
the moment of the Big Bang or even before the Big Bang.
 

 The LHC is a circle 7 miles in circumference, there is a definite limit to 
what it can find with the sort of power it can generate. I read that if we 
wanted to solve cosmological problems like string theory we would need a 
particle accelerator the size of the Earth's orbit round the sun. I don't think 
we've got the budget for that at the moment...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The investment in the LHC is paying off.  There may be other discoveries that 
will pave new developments in physics.  But will it lead to the Unified Field?
 

 Perhaps it already has?
 

 Insight into the 'energy of the vacuum' 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy More speculatively, the Higgs field 
has also been proposed as the energy of the vacuum 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy, which at the extreme energies of 
the first moments of the Big Bang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang caused 
the universe to be a kind of featureless symmetry of undifferentiated extremely 
high energy. In this kind of speculation, the single unified field of a Grand 
Unified Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Unified_Theory is identified 
as (or modeled upon) the Higgs field, and it is through successive symmetry 
breakings of the Higgs field or some similar field at phase transitions 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_transition that the present universe's 
known forces and fields arise 

 From:
 

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pentaquark Discovered

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 My guess is that they'll find exotic particles that are smaller than the 
previous one.  But how far can the LHC go?  In the meantime, the leading 
physicists will have a field day in making speculations about what happened at 
the moment of the Big Bang or even before the Big Bang.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The investment in the LHC is paying off.  There may be other discoveries that 
will pave new developments in physics.  But will it lead to the Unified Field?
 

 Perhaps it already has?
 

 Insight into the 'energy of the vacuum' 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy More speculatively, the Higgs field 
has also been proposed as the energy of the vacuum 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy, which at the extreme energies of 
the first moments of the Big Bang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang caused 
the universe to be a kind of featureless symmetry of undifferentiated extremely 
high energy. In this kind of speculation, the single unified field of a Grand 
Unified Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Unified_Theory is identified 
as (or modeled upon) the Higgs field, and it is through successive symmetry 
breakings of the Higgs field or some similar field at phase transitions 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_transition that the present universe's 
known forces and fields arise 

 From:
 

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pentaquark Discovered

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The investment in the LHC is paying off.  There may be other discoveries that 
will pave new developments in physics.  But will it lead to the Unified Field?
 

 Perhaps it already has?
 

 Insight into the 'energy of the vacuum' 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy More speculatively, the Higgs field 
has also been proposed as the energy of the vacuum 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy, which at the extreme energies of 
the first moments of the Big Bang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang caused 
the universe to be a kind of featureless symmetry of undifferentiated extremely 
high energy. In this kind of speculation, the single unified field of a Grand 
Unified Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Unified_Theory is identified 
as (or modeled upon) the Higgs field, and it is through successive symmetry 
breakings of the Higgs field or some similar field at phase transitions 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_transition that the present universe's 
known forces and fields arise 

 From:
 

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Pentaquark Discovered

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The investment in the LHC is paying off.  There may be other discoveries that 
will pave new developments in physics.  But will it lead to the Unified Field?
 

 CERN's Large Hadron Collider has discovered a new class of particle 
http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/14/8957981/pentaquark-cern-lhc-discovery

 
 
 http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/14/8957981/pentaquark-cern-lhc-discovery 
 
 CERN's Large Hadron Collider has discovered a new cl... 
http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/14/8957981/pentaquark-cern-lhc-discovery 
Scientists at the Large Hadron Collider have announced the discovery of the 
pentaquark, a class of subatomic particle consisting of four quarks and one 
antiq...
 
 
 
 View on www.theverge.com 
http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/14/8957981/pentaquark-cern-lhc-discovery 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Oh, it's aready out there LOL! Ran into it yesterday. It's all over youtube.

  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 11:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers
   
 You could get a helluva conspiracy theory started with that, Mike.  :-D 
 
 On 07/14/2015 09:02 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  


     I had to ask. Found out Obama's momma and several others around him were 
heavily into it when they lived in Indonesia.  
  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 10:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers
   
      Yes, that's what I recall from the tape of those sessions.  I heard 
it several times.
 
 On 07/14/2015 08:34 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
 
   
    MMY said Subud is a form of spirit possession. 
 
 Whether it is an actual spirit-entity or an amorphic spirit energy, it is 
still a form of mind-body discordance that cedes control of the nervous  
system. That alone marked Subud as verboten to MMY. 
 
 I heard him say so in one of my TTC's - maybe at Humboldt State U.  in Arcata, 
Calif. during the summer of 1971 or perhaps Fiuggi in the spring of 1972.  
  

 

 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

You could get a helluva conspiracy theory started with that, Mike. :-D

On 07/14/2015 09:02 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
I had to ask. Found out Obama's momma and several others around him 
were heavily into it when they lived in Indonesia.



*From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2015 10:57 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers

Yes, that's what I recall from the tape of those sessions.  I heard it 
several times.


On 07/14/2015 08:34 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:




MMY said Subud is a form of spirit possession.

Whether it is an actual spirit-entity or an amorphic spirit energy, 
it is still a form of mind-body discordance that cedes control of the 
nervous system. That alone marked Subud as verboten to MMY.


I heard him say so in one of my TTC's - maybe at Humboldt State U. in 
Arcata, Calif. during the summer of 1971 or perhaps Fiuggi in the 
spring of 1972.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I had to ask. Found out Obama's momma and several others around him were 
heavily into it when they lived in Indonesia.
  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 10:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers
   
 Yes, that's what I recall from the tape of those sessions.  I heard it 
several times.
 
 On 07/14/2015 08:34 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  


    MMY said Subud is a form of spirit possession. 
 
 Whether it is an actual spirit-entity or an amorphic spirit energy, it is 
still a form of mind-body discordance that cedes control of the nervous system. 
That alone marked Subud as verboten to MMY. 
 
 I heard him say so in one of my TTC's - maybe at Humboldt State U. in Arcata, 
Calif. during the summer of 1971 or perhaps Fiuggi in the spring of 1972.  
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, that's what I recall from the tape of those sessions.  I heard it 
several times.


On 07/14/2015 08:34 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


MMY said Subud is a form of spirit possession.

Whether it is an actual spirit-entity or an amorphic spirit energy, it 
is still a form of mind-body discordance that cedes control of the 
nervous system. That alone marked Subud as verboten to MMY.


I heard him say so in one of my TTC's - maybe at Humboldt State U. in 
Arcata, Calif. during the summer of 1971 or perhaps Fiuggi in the 
spring of 1972.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ok , yes. That's what I remember now. I think he said that in Fuiggi.

  From: "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 10:34 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers
   
    MMY said Subud is a form of spirit possession. 

Whether it is an actual spirit-entity or an amorphic spirit energy, it is still 
a form of mind-body discordance that cedes control of the nervous system. That 
alone marked Subud as verboten to MMY. 

I heard him say so in one of my TTC's - maybe at Humboldt State U. in Arcata, 
Calif. during the summer of 1971 or perhaps Fiuggi in the spring of 1972.  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

MMY said Subud is a form of spirit possession. 

Whether it is an actual spirit-entity or an amorphic spirit energy, it is still 
a form of mind-body discordance that cedes control of the nervous system. That 
alone marked Subud as verboten to MMY. 

I heard him say so in one of my TTC's - maybe at Humboldt State U. in Arcata, 
Calif. during the summer of 1971 or perhaps Fiuggi in the spring of 1972.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The scammy TM Org's worthlessness revealed by one question

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Well, folks who are TM'ers in a facilitating organized group [movement] could 
certainly teach a good enough meditation still that was left from Maharishi 
Mahesh Yogi to get people going practically in an inner spiritual life. Science 
seems to indicate that the practice left by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi  is effective 
as a meditative practice. “What is Transcendental Meditation? Transcendental 
Meditation [can be] a simple, natural, and effortless technique practiced 20 
minutes twice a day, while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed. It is easy 
to learn and enjoyable to practice and is not a religion, philosophy or 
lifestyle.” Do you practice a transcending meditation? -JaiGuruYou 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "What does all the recent attention given to Pluto spiritually do to ones 
nervous system?"

Pretty [expletive deleted] silly question, eh?  

Unless you're a TM person.

Proof? Ask ANY TM leader to answer it?

We don't get to know get a trustable answer to that question, because:  
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi is dead, and not one person in the movement would DARE 
answer that question and at the same time demand that we give that answer the 
least authority compared to how much respect an answer from a still living 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would garner.

See?

We have NO GURU.  Our Guru died.  No one now speaks for the Absolute.
 

 Girish is not our guru.  Bev and Hag are not gurus.  The King for [expletive 
deleted] sure ain't anyone's guru.  

Are they?  ARE THEY?  Will you dare tell me the movement now has a new guru?

I dare you.

THERE IS NO ONE NOW, and, THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER GURU FOR US.  
 

 We cannot get an enlightened answer for the above sample question that even 1% 
of those in the movement would believe.  There would be pure [expletive] 
answers given with tons of wiggle room and hemming and hawing, but if Maharishi 
Mahesh Yogi was in the room, all would turn to him for the REAL answer.  

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would have answered that question with GREAT INTENSITY, 
because he sponsored and supported astrology, and he MADE MONEY because his 
followers were instructed that astrology-out-of-India, Jyotish, was not merely 
better than Western astrology, but, rather, it was SACRED RITUAL, and we have 
to conduct jyotish ceremonies conducted by the movement to get "special 
attention from the gods," and is very expensive, but of course.

You're [expletive deleted] right Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would answer that 
question if someone in a teacher training course asked it.  I know, because I 
was on such courses, and suchlike questions were very seriously entertained.  I 
could pony up a one hour lecture that would answer that question -- all 
[expletive deleted], but it'd be great.

Try to ask this question to anyone in the movement.  Step aside as the [x] 
spews.  Push back and demand a definitive answer from someone "higher up," and 
watch yourself get your badge pulled for being a trouble maker.  
 

 AND DON'T YOU EVEN ASK FOR GIRISH TO TELL US.  He's never going to meet with 
us, because we would toss cream pies in his false-flag-Potemkin-Village face 
which will never speak wisdom or cite Vedic verses or giggle us into loving 
him.  
 

 He's a corporate raider and that's [expletive deleted] that.

Our Guru is dead.  The TM movement cannot evolve from this point with any sense 
of Vedic purity.