Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Old TM teachers had a relationship more directly to Maharishi in being 
cultivated and certified by him and under essential understanding in 
relationship to use what they learned from him without letting money get in the 
way of people learning to meditate.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There was a further mercantile shift in administration of old TM after 
Maharishi.  The complete change over after Maharishi was handled most 
unfortunately by a strong mind of making old testament like judgments about old 
teachers and then retributions by some business-minded group consciousness of 
some wealthy fanatical followers, ..as Feste here reduces how they 'frame' it. 
Sounds so rational but was poorly handled. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You know, the TMO has always operated in a cliquish manner. When you first get 
initiated ,everything is cool. You belong to a unique group of people *saving 
the world*. But then you notice various cliques have formed. There are plane 
ol' meditaters,( the lowest of the low, that nobody wants to hang with) sidhas, 
pre-teachers, Teachers, Governors, Rajas, Maharajas, ministers of this and 
that, administrators, cooks and dish washer, etc
 Disenfranchising a group could have the effect of making them scramble to get 
in a better position, even if it costs them a lot of money to *belong*.
 Thank God, I don't want to *belong*!
 I don't remember how many teachers Maharishi trained before this 
recertification program started but imagine getting every, or nearly every, 
teacher to plop down a couple of thousand bucks just to maintain their status. 
Might pay some bills with that kind of cash. Plus, you can tighten your grip on 
confidentiality of the teaching process.

 

 I think I managed to avoid all of this messy stuff by not becoming an 
initiator. It just never appealed to me - all that standardized code of 
behavior and dress and conduct. I simply enjoyed the technique and MIU back in 
the 70's was really a gas - a demographically diverse student body and a 
feeling of tapping into something special in terms of the curriculum and how it 
related to SCI. I'm not sure how it feels on the campus now, but back then it 
was perfectly timed for who I was and what I needed. Consequently, no hard 
feelings and I simply moved on. The Robin adventure was sort of like stealing a 
car and going for a wild joy ride having imbibed a six pack. You sort of wake 
up one day with a hangover and wonder what the hell happened but don't regret 
the adventure.

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   
 Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  
 I hear this a lot and this is very much related to how people feel about 
attending the group meditation in the Domes here. Meditators have been 
separated and excluded in a number of ways that need to be directly 
acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve with the 'collective 
meditation'.  
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 

 That's a ridiculous comment. I was just making the point that people need to 
keep up with developments in their field, and that is all that recertification 
is. 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One doesn't need to take two weeks off to travel cross country to learn the 
latest information. If a teacher's knowledge  wasn't sufficient to teach 
anymore, then it never was sufficient to teach in the first place. What kind of 
teachers did Maharishi create? The fact is , it was a money maker for the TMO 
and I'm assuming intended for  signing a new contract, tightening controls on 
the teacher. Not one teacher came out of that program a better teacher but a 
better controlled teachermaybe.

 




 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

There was a further mercantile shift in administration of old TM after 
Maharishi.  The complete change over after Maharishi was handled most 
unfortunately by a strong mind of making old testament like judgments about old 
teachers and then retributions by some business-minded group consciousness of 
some wealthy fanatical followers, ..as Feste here reduces how they 'frame' it. 
Sounds so rational but was poorly handled. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You know, the TMO has always operated in a cliquish manner. When you first get 
initiated ,everything is cool. You belong to a unique group of people *saving 
the world*. But then you notice various cliques have formed. There are plane 
ol' meditaters,( the lowest of the low, that nobody wants to hang with) sidhas, 
pre-teachers, Teachers, Governors, Rajas, Maharajas, ministers of this and 
that, administrators, cooks and dish washer, etc
 Disenfranchising a group could have the effect of making them scramble to get 
in a better position, even if it costs them a lot of money to *belong*.
 Thank God, I don't want to *belong*!
 I don't remember how many teachers Maharishi trained before this 
recertification program started but imagine getting every, or nearly every, 
teacher to plop down a couple of thousand bucks just to maintain their status. 
Might pay some bills with that kind of cash. Plus, you can tighten your grip on 
confidentiality of the teaching process.

 

 I think I managed to avoid all of this messy stuff by not becoming an 
initiator. It just never appealed to me - all that standardized code of 
behavior and dress and conduct. I simply enjoyed the technique and MIU back in 
the 70's was really a gas - a demographically diverse student body and a 
feeling of tapping into something special in terms of the curriculum and how it 
related to SCI. I'm not sure how it feels on the campus now, but back then it 
was perfectly timed for who I was and what I needed. Consequently, no hard 
feelings and I simply moved on. The Robin adventure was sort of like stealing a 
car and going for a wild joy ride having imbibed a six pack. You sort of wake 
up one day with a hangover and wonder what the hell happened but don't regret 
the adventure.

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   
 Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  
 I hear this a lot and this is very much related to how people feel about 
attending the group meditation in the Domes here. Meditators have been 
separated and excluded in a number of ways that need to be directly 
acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve with the 'collective 
meditation'.  
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 

 That's a ridiculous comment. I was just making the point that people need to 
keep up with developments in their field, and that is all that recertification 
is. 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One doesn't need to take two weeks off to travel cross country to learn the 
latest information. If a teacher's knowledge  wasn't sufficient to teach 
anymore, then it never was sufficient to teach in the first place. What kind of 
teachers did Maharishi create? The fact is , it was a money maker for the TMO 
and I'm assuming intended for  signing a new contract, tightening controls on 
the teacher. Not one teacher came out of that program a better teacher but a 
better controlled teachermaybe.

 




 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

NO, I get the point. You're just defending the indefensible.


  From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
   
    You seem determined to miss the point entirely. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

One doesn't need to take two weeks off to travel cross country to learn the 
latest information. If a teacher's knowledge  wasn't sufficient to teach 
anymore, then it never was sufficient to teach in the first place. What kind of 
teachers did Maharishi create? The fact is , it was a money maker for the TMO 
and I'm assuming intended for  signing a new contract, tightening controls on 
the teacher. Not one teacher came out of that program a better teacher but a 
better controlled teachermaybe.


  From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 4:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 That's a ridiculous comment. I was just making the point that people need to 
keep up with developments in their field, and that is all that recertification 
is. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

One doesn't need a license to teach TM.So, you want the *state* to regulate the 
TM movement on how to operate?
Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.
  From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.


  From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 How could it have got so bad with thenumbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?
That people can't or won't come back tothe recall?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

According to published records, by July1975 in the USA, just itself alone, had 
5799 TM initiators. Now we can'tget much better than a very couple of hundred 
meditating in the men's Dometogether.  After 1975 some more TM teachers and 
then TM governorswere trained up in years following. With 'citizens' added, 
something like 29000 peoplelearned the TM-sidhis in North America.  Now the 
Dome program gets 200 plus men tothe Dome group meditation and some smallish 
number of women are over meditating in their location.  People moved here to 
Fairfield to be a part of somethinglarge when the group meditation had two 
thousand or more attending.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

How could it have got to be so bad with thenumbers in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

'Collective meditation' was a majormajor tenet of Maharishi's all along, there 
quite evidently has beena failure of an administration of the meditation, a 
failure thataffected people's feelings about coming out for the 
communalcollective meditation. This is going to take a change in leadership 
culture to re-group the collapse of the Dome group TM meditation program.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

MMY: "This is what happens in the GoldenDomes,a wave of infinity spreads from 
one 

[FairfieldLife] Louis de Jaucourt on Quietism

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Jaucourt's (1704 - 1779) article on Quietism in the Encyclopedia of Diderot and 
d'Alembert (Vol 13 (1765).
 Mentions Molinos and Mme Guion but not George Fox in the article (but the 
Encyclopedia may have entries on these...haven't checked yet).
 

 Jaucourt speculates that the Quietists may have been influenced by Brahmins 
from the Orient (but of course theire's no direct connection that we know of, 
except a convergence  of  universal experiences).  He also attempts to make the 
connection to the early Gnostics considered as heretics by Jerome, but again 
there's no recognizable  influence that modern scholars can point to.  However, 
I might add that Jaucourt was an astute person with brilliant speculations, but 
with a complete misunderstanding of what Quietism was/is all about.  
 

 On the Quietism of Molinos and Guion, he believed that it entailed an 
elimination of human passions, and says that regarding Molinos, "his ideas in 
spirituality were more worthy of pity than indignation".
 He alludes to other writers who have focused on the "complete indifferences" 
in the Quietist state of silence, and says that he and others have eloquently 
refuted the "false visions" of the Quietists, "which do not deserve compassion 
and which contain nothing but intelligible jargon".  Finally, he concludes that 
the Quietists have "reduced all physical things to a type of nothingness that 
is to say of stillness"
 http://tinyurl.com/hdvvhmq http://tinyurl.com/hdvvhmq
 

 
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

[feste37]

You seem determined to miss the point entirely. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One doesn't need to take two weeks off to travel cross country to learn the 
latest information. If a teacher's knowledge  wasn't sufficient to teach 
anymore, then it never was sufficient to teach in the first place. What kind of 
teachers did Maharishi create? The fact is , it was a money maker for the TMO 
and I'm assuming intended for  signing a new contract, tightening controls on 
the teacher. Not one teacher came out of that program a better teacher but a 
better controlled teachermaybe.

 


 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 4:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   That's a ridiculous comment. I was just making the point that people need to 
keep up with developments in their field, and that is all that recertification 
is. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   
 How could it have got so bad with the numbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations? 
 
 
 That people can't or won't come back to the recall?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 According to published records, by July 1975 in the USA, just itself alone, 
had 5799 TM initiators. Now we can't get much better than a very couple of 
hundred meditating in the men's Dome together. 
  After 1975 some more TM teachers and then TM governors were trained up in 
years following. With 'citizens' added, something like 29000 people learned the 
TM-sidhis in North America.
  
  Now the Dome program gets 200 plus men to the Dome group meditation and some 
smallish number of women are over meditating in their location. 
  People moved here to Fairfield to be a part of something large when the group 
meditation had two thousand or more attending.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 How could it have got to be so bad with the numbers in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 'Collective meditation' was a major major tenet of Maharishi's all along, 
there quite evidently has been a failure of an administration of the 
meditation, a failure that affected people's feelings about coming out for the 
communal collective meditation. This is going to take a change in leadership 
culture to re-group the collapse of the Dome group TM meditation program.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 MMY: "This is what happens in the Golden Domes,
 a wave of infinity spreads from one end of the Dome to the other end. But the 
wave is not constrained by the walls. It permeates the whole collective 
conscious ~the whole field of unmanifest infinity. This is what you are here 
for. And as the group gets larger and larger, your experience will become 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Excerpts that I heard presented in papers at a conference sounded very similar 
to Barclay's Apology and not unlike a defended sort of fear that practicing TM 
meditators contend with in the TMO's guidelines and administrative inquisitions 
that are held in Fairfield around being able to stay in or even attend 
sanctioned group meditations in the Domes.
 
 
 Barclay's Apology
 http://www.qhpress.org/texts/barclay/apology/ 
http://www.qhpress.org/texts/barclay/apology/
 
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Does TM have any European antecedents?

 

 These old writings reference other writings coming from around Europe, the 
lowlands, France and Spain and Austria. Through history these spiritual people 
would have to take periodic refuge from the religion of the day and so they 
moved around with their experiences too.   


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I was at a conference not long ago where papers were given by scholars who 
recently have translated old German texts, letters, pamphlets, and tracts of 
satsang-like spiritual groups that were in Northern Europe. Some of these old 
texts were of the Community of True Inspiration, from their own long line of 
mystics going way back who existed in satsanga 'separately' through time while 
the Roman and Orthodox Churches and then subsequently the institutional 
Lutheran churches were each doing their religious persecuting thing. In these 
works of the separatists were overlapping writings from around Europe from 
spiritual luminaries of different decades and centuries. 
 
 
 This is recent scholarly work translating this material by American born and 
reared scholars raised speaking German within their families. A best of both 
mother tongues?  Their translations make nice reading as these scholars are 
fluent in both German and English. 
 

  From this material it is evident that those spiritual folks who surfaced by 
generation or so as leaders or spokespersons by force of spiritual experience 
are like more powerfully transforming people we could recognize today like 
Ammachi, Meera, John Douglas, Janet Sussman, Connie Huebner and such folks. 
Different than just religionists each have Quietism running through the 
cultural DNA of their spirituality and teaching.  
 

 

yifuxero writes: 

 Thanks for the followup discussions!  I had to google Lollardy to find out 
more.  In that it's associated with Wycliffe and many Lollards were his 
followers; it appears that relating to the eventual development of Quietism, 
Wycliffe may have been in some ways a setback.  His "Bible" only viewpoint help 
set many free from the clutches of Catholicism and present day Evangelicals 
rank him as one of the greatest of all-star predecessors to the antinomianism 
we see today in say, the Southern Baptists.
   Unfortunately, there seems to be no strain of Self(Gnosis) revelation in 
Wycliffe, unlike Fox who in my book was one of the greatest of the 
Enlightenment pioneers.   Hencesegue to modern practitioners of meditation 
that have inherited the Quietist inspiration.
 

  The concept of cultural DNA is fascinating and makes the Provenance question 
all the more difficult to simplify in something like an unbroken linear tree 
(as may be found in Shankara's Tradition or  among the Patriarchs of Jerusalem 
Orthodoxy.
  Such topics no doubt may provide fuel for a host of Phd dissertations, but 
there's one aspect of transmission such scholars would rather not touch upon 
due to political or cultural correctness:  That is - by way of example - that 
a. as in the case of individuals such as Fox, direct revelation from some 
aspect of "God" is possible and may lead to new Movements of great importance.  
Likewise from the Indian subcontinent there are many examples of great Saints 
having no particular Guru.  b. Similarly, a whole wave of  people can incarnate 
and be ready for an appearance of somebody like MMY; and it would be difficult 
for anybody to come up with logical antecedents or an explanation even from 
cultural DNA.
 

 Simply put, a. individuals and groups can receive direct experiential 
revelation through interior means and such pioneers are ready for the new 
knowledge because they have prepared for it in previous incarnations.  This 
idea would be completely taboo among Ivy League scholars. But imo there would 
be no other way to explain why MMY came to the West and people were already 
prepared for it!  Why? Because they incarnated to meet up with that particular 
Sage in space/timewith no antecedents necessary.
 There were of course antecedents to TM such as Yogananda's Kriya Yoga but that 
Movement was insufficient to explain the later development of the TM Movement 
with its many adherents.
 It's not necessary for us to look for the Teachers of the Buddha, Jesus, 
Shankara, or Ramana Maharshi. They had direct experiential revelation.   (of 
course, in many cases 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

One doesn't need to take two weeks off to travel cross country to learn the 
latest information. If a teacher's knowledge  wasn't sufficient to teach 
anymore, then it never was sufficient to teach in the first place. What kind of 
teachers did Maharishi create? The fact is , it was a money maker for the TMO 
and I'm assuming intended for  signing a new contract, tightening controls on 
the teacher. Not one teacher came out of that program a better teacher but a 
better controlled teachermaybe.


  From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 4:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
   
    That's a ridiculous comment. I was just making the point that people need 
to keep up with developments in their field, and that is all that 
recertification is. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

One doesn't need a license to teach TM.So, you want the *state* to regulate the 
TM movement on how to operate?
Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.
  From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.


  From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 How could it have got so bad with thenumbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?
That people can't or won't come back tothe recall?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

According to published records, by July1975 in the USA, just itself alone, had 
5799 TM initiators. Now we can'tget much better than a very couple of hundred 
meditating in the men's Dometogether.  After 1975 some more TM teachers and 
then TM governorswere trained up in years following. With 'citizens' added, 
something like 29000 peoplelearned the TM-sidhis in North America.  Now the 
Dome program gets 200 plus men tothe Dome group meditation and some smallish 
number of women are over meditating in their location.  People moved here to 
Fairfield to be a part of somethinglarge when the group meditation had two 
thousand or more attending.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

How could it have got to be so bad with thenumbers in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

'Collective meditation' was a majormajor tenet of Maharishi's all along, there 
quite evidently has beena failure of an administration of the meditation, a 
failure thataffected people's feelings about coming out for the 
communalcollective meditation. This is going to take a change in leadership 
culture to re-group the collapse of the Dome group TM meditation program.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

MMY: "This is what happens in the GoldenDomes,a wave of infinity spreads from 
one endof the Dome to the other end. But the wave is not constrained by 
thewalls. It permeates the whole collective conscious ~the whole fieldof 
unmanifest infinity. This is what you are here for. And as thegroup gets larger 
and larger, your experience will become moreprofound."     -July 2006, MMY 
inaugurating the Invincible AmericaAssembly

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

The movement’s administrative 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

[feste37]

That's a ridiculous comment. I was just making the point that people need to 
keep up with developments in their field, and that is all that recertification 
is. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   
 How could it have got so bad with the numbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations? 
 
 
 That people can't or won't come back to the recall?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 According to published records, by July 1975 in the USA, just itself alone, 
had 5799 TM initiators. Now we can't get much better than a very couple of 
hundred meditating in the men's Dome together. 
  After 1975 some more TM teachers and then TM governors were trained up in 
years following. With 'citizens' added, something like 29000 people learned the 
TM-sidhis in North America.
  
  Now the Dome program gets 200 plus men to the Dome group meditation and some 
smallish number of women are over meditating in their location. 
  People moved here to Fairfield to be a part of something large when the group 
meditation had two thousand or more attending.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 How could it have got to be so bad with the numbers in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 'Collective meditation' was a major major tenet of Maharishi's all along, 
there quite evidently has been a failure of an administration of the 
meditation, a failure that affected people's feelings about coming out for the 
communal collective meditation. This is going to take a change in leadership 
culture to re-group the collapse of the Dome group TM meditation program.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 MMY: "This is what happens in the Golden Domes,
 a wave of infinity spreads from one end of the Dome to the other end. But the 
wave is not constrained by the walls. It permeates the whole collective 
conscious ~the whole field of unmanifest infinity. This is what you are here 
for. And as the group gets larger and larger, your experience will become more 
profound." -July 2006, MMY inaugurating the Invincible America Assembly
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The movement’s administrative guidelines for the group meditation should be 
such that all of the guidelines can be put on to a web page, publicly for 
anyone to read.  If that can’t be done then there is something wrong with the 
guidelines or the persons holding them.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The guidelines for the Dome meditation could be much streamlined down to what 
it essentially takes to administrate a course.  It is fair that there be 
guidelines for the running of any organization, meeting or course.  But these 
go beyond practicality. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The movement’s guidelines as they exist essentially are tools of retribution 

[FairfieldLife] Greetings From Utopia Park, by Claire Hoffman

['Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/caterina-fake/greetings-from-utopia-par_b_9614
464.html 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

PS Lest you think I am all about knocking the TMO, just to put it in context, 
they offer the only useful technique for gaining enlightenment, imo. Maharishi 
was a revolutionary in that way. So, yeah, no follow through, but they are the 
only place to get started. 

 I have a friend who is a long time follower of Amma and the dude is hopelessly 
confused. Talking with him is like unraveling an endless ball of string. Also 
observed a follower of Rama aka Fred Lenz, and the guy is delusional. Such 
things can also happen with TMers, but these other two had no chance. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The thing is Doug, that organizations like the TMO attract those who want to 
be big shots, though with no other qualifications. After awhile, the management 
stops meeting peoples' needs and are in it just for themselves. Obviously not a 
recipe for growth.  

 In addition, TM is a victim of its own success, as it leads to an expansion of 
consciousness that the organization fails to address or even recognize; the 
experiences build and build, with no answer except get a checking or some such. 
 

 Aside from continuing to train teachers, the TMO has become useless for those 
practicing the techniques. The group programs are also failing because the TMO 
has no answer for the personal experiences that may result from such practices, 
and there are enough people gaining traction on their own and sharing this 
knowledge, that association with the TMO is now optional, at best.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  
 I hear this a lot and this is very much related to how people feel about 
attending the group meditation in the Domes here. Meditators have been 
separated and excluded in a number of ways that need to be directly 
acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve with the 'collective 
meditation'.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   
 How could it have got so bad with the numbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations? 
 
 
 That people can't or won't come back to the recall?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 According to published records, by July 1975 in the USA, just itself alone, 
had 5799 TM initiators. Now we can't get much better than a very couple of 
hundred meditating in the men's Dome together. 
  After 1975 some more TM teachers and then TM governors were trained up in 
years following. With 'citizens' added, something like 29000 people learned the 
TM-sidhis in North America.
  
  Now the Dome program gets 200 plus men to the Dome group meditation and some 
smallish number of women are over meditating in their location. 
  People moved here to Fairfield to be a part of something large when the group 
meditation had two thousand or more attending.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 How could it have got to be so bad with the numbers in the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

[olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The thing is Doug, that organizations like the TMO attract those who want to be 
big shots, though with no other qualifications. After awhile, the management 
stops meeting peoples' needs and are in it just for themselves. Obviously not a 
recipe for growth.  

 In addition, TM is a victim of its own success, as it leads to an expansion of 
consciousness that the organization fails to address or even recognize; the 
experiences build and build, with no answer except get a checking or some such. 
 

 Aside from continuing to train teachers, the TMO has become useless for those 
practicing the techniques. The group programs are also failing because the TMO 
has no answer for the personal experiences that may result from such practices, 
and there are enough people gaining traction on their own and sharing this 
knowledge, that association with the TMO is now optional, at best.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  
 I hear this a lot and this is very much related to how people feel about 
attending the group meditation in the Domes here. Meditators have been 
separated and excluded in a number of ways that need to be directly 
acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve with the 'collective 
meditation'.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   
 How could it have got so bad with the numbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations? 
 
 
 That people can't or won't come back to the recall?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 According to published records, by July 1975 in the USA, just itself alone, 
had 5799 TM initiators. Now we can't get much better than a very couple of 
hundred meditating in the men's Dome together. 
  After 1975 some more TM teachers and then TM governors were trained up in 
years following. With 'citizens' added, something like 29000 people learned the 
TM-sidhis in North America.
  
  Now the Dome program gets 200 plus men to the Dome group meditation and some 
smallish number of women are over meditating in their location. 
  People moved here to Fairfield to be a part of something large when the group 
meditation had two thousand or more attending.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 How could it have got to be so bad with the numbers in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 'Collective meditation' was a major major tenet of Maharishi's all along, 
there quite evidently has been a failure of an administration of the 
meditation, a failure that affected people's feelings about coming out for the 
communal collective meditation. This is going to take a change in leadership 
culture to re-group the collapse of the Dome group TM meditation program.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 MMY: "This is what happens in the Golden Domes,
 a wave of infinity spreads from one end of the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yeah, as soon as it started getting messy I started distancing myself from it. 
But I did watch from afar 



  From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 9:02 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

You know, the TMO has always operated in a cliquish manner. When you first get 
initiated ,everything is cool. You belong to a unique group of people *saving 
the world*. But then you notice various cliques have formed. There are plane 
ol' meditaters,( the lowest of the low, that nobody wants to hang with) sidhas, 
pre-teachers, Teachers, Governors, Rajas, Maharajas, ministers of this and 
that, administrators, cooks and dish washer, etcDisenfranchising a group could 
have the effect of making them scramble to get in a better position, even if it 
costs them a lot of money to *belong*.
Thank God, I don't want to *belong*!I don't remember how many teachers 
Maharishi trained before this recertification program started but imagine 
getting every, or nearly every, teacher to plop down a couple of thousand bucks 
just to maintain their status. Might pay some bills with that kind of cash. 
Plus, you can tighten your grip on confidentiality of the teaching process.

I think I managed to avoid all of this messy stuff by not becoming an 
initiator. It just never appealed to me - all that standardized code of 
behavior and dress and conduct. I simply enjoyed the technique and MIU back in 
the 70's was really a gas - a demographically diverse student body and a 
feeling of tapping into something special in terms of the curriculum and how it 
related to SCI. I'm not sure how it feels on the campus now, but back then it 
was perfectly timed for who I was and what I needed. Consequently, no hard 
feelings and I simply moved on. The Robin adventure was sort of like stealing a 
car and going for a wild joy ride having imbibed a six pack. You sort of wake 
up one day with a hangover and wonder what the hell happened but don't regret 
the adventure.  From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  I hear this a lot and this is 
very much related to how people feel about attending the group meditation in 
the Domes here. Meditators have been separated and excluded in a number of ways 
that need to be directly acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve 
with the 'collective meditation'.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

One doesn't need a license to teach TM.So, you want the *state* to regulate the 
TM movement on how to operate?
Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.
  From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.


  From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 How could it have got so bad with thenumbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM, Quietism, & the Quakers

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Does TM have any European antecedents?

 

 These old writings reference other writings coming from around Europe, the 
lowlands, France and Spain and Austria. Through history these spiritual people 
would have to take periodic refuge from the religion of the day and so they 
moved around with their experiences too.   


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I was at a conference not long ago where papers were given by scholars who 
recently have translated old German texts, letters, pamphlets, and tracts of 
satsang-like spiritual groups that were in Northern Europe. Some of these old 
texts were of the Community of True Inspiration, from their own long line of 
mystics going way back who existed in satsanga 'separately' through time while 
the Roman and Orthodox Churches and then subsequently the institutional 
Lutheran churches were each doing their religious persecuting thing. In these 
works of the separatists were overlapping writings from around Europe from 
spiritual luminaries of different decades and centuries. 
 
 
 This is recent scholarly work translating this material by American born and 
reared scholars raised speaking German within their families. A best of both 
mother tongues?  Their translations make nice reading as these scholars are 
fluent in both German and English. 
 

  From this material it is evident that those spiritual folks who surfaced by 
generation or so as leaders or spokespersons by force of spiritual experience 
are like more powerfully transforming people we could recognize today like 
Ammachi, Meera, John Douglas, Janet Sussman, Connie Huebner and such folks. 
Different than just religionists each have Quietism running through the 
cultural DNA of their spirituality and teaching.  
 

 

yifuxero writes: 

 Thanks for the followup discussions!  I had to google Lollardy to find out 
more.  In that it's associated with Wycliffe and many Lollards were his 
followers; it appears that relating to the eventual development of Quietism, 
Wycliffe may have been in some ways a setback.  His "Bible" only viewpoint help 
set many free from the clutches of Catholicism and present day Evangelicals 
rank him as one of the greatest of all-star predecessors to the antinomianism 
we see today in say, the Southern Baptists.
   Unfortunately, there seems to be no strain of Self(Gnosis) revelation in 
Wycliffe, unlike Fox who in my book was one of the greatest of the 
Enlightenment pioneers.   Hencesegue to modern practitioners of meditation 
that have inherited the Quietist inspiration.
 

  The concept of cultural DNA is fascinating and makes the Provenance question 
all the more difficult to simplify in something like an unbroken linear tree 
(as may be found in Shankara's Tradition or  among the Patriarchs of Jerusalem 
Orthodoxy.
  Such topics no doubt may provide fuel for a host of Phd dissertations, but 
there's one aspect of transmission such scholars would rather not touch upon 
due to political or cultural correctness:  That is - by way of example - that 
a. as in the case of individuals such as Fox, direct revelation from some 
aspect of "God" is possible and may lead to new Movements of great importance.  
Likewise from the Indian subcontinent there are many examples of great Saints 
having no particular Guru.  b. Similarly, a whole wave of  people can incarnate 
and be ready for an appearance of somebody like MMY; and it would be difficult 
for anybody to come up with logical antecedents or an explanation even from 
cultural DNA.
 

 Simply put, a. individuals and groups can receive direct experiential 
revelation through interior means and such pioneers are ready for the new 
knowledge because they have prepared for it in previous incarnations.  This 
idea would be completely taboo among Ivy League scholars. But imo there would 
be no other way to explain why MMY came to the West and people were already 
prepared for it!  Why? Because they incarnated to meet up with that particular 
Sage in space/timewith no antecedents necessary.
 There were of course antecedents to TM such as Yogananda's Kriya Yoga but that 
Movement was insufficient to explain the later development of the TM Movement 
with its many adherents.
 It's not necessary for us to look for the Teachers of the Buddha, Jesus, 
Shankara, or Ramana Maharshi. They had direct experiential revelation.   (of 
course, in many cases both aspects can coexist)...external teachers and 
internal revelation.
 Thanks again!
 Lollardy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lollardy#/media/File:WycliffeYeamesLollards_01.jpg
 
 
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lollardy#/media/File:WycliffeYeamesLollards_01.jpg
 
 Lollardy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lollardy#/media/File:WycliffeYeamesLollards_01.jpg
 Lollardy (Lollardry, Lollardism) was a political and religious movement that 
existed from the mid-14th century to the 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You know, the TMO has always operated in a cliquish manner. When you first get 
initiated ,everything is cool. You belong to a unique group of people *saving 
the world*. But then you notice various cliques have formed. There are plane 
ol' meditaters,( the lowest of the low, that nobody wants to hang with) sidhas, 
pre-teachers, Teachers, Governors, Rajas, Maharajas, ministers of this and 
that, administrators, cooks and dish washer, etc
 Disenfranchising a group could have the effect of making them scramble to get 
in a better position, even if it costs them a lot of money to *belong*.
 Thank God, I don't want to *belong*!
 I don't remember how many teachers Maharishi trained before this 
recertification program started but imagine getting every, or nearly every, 
teacher to plop down a couple of thousand bucks just to maintain their status. 
Might pay some bills with that kind of cash. Plus, you can tighten your grip on 
confidentiality of the teaching process.

 

 I think I managed to avoid all of this messy stuff by not becoming an 
initiator. It just never appealed to me - all that standardized code of 
behavior and dress and conduct. I simply enjoyed the technique and MIU back in 
the 70's was really a gas - a demographically diverse student body and a 
feeling of tapping into something special in terms of the curriculum and how it 
related to SCI. I'm not sure how it feels on the campus now, but back then it 
was perfectly timed for who I was and what I needed. Consequently, no hard 
feelings and I simply moved on. The Robin adventure was sort of like stealing a 
car and going for a wild joy ride having imbibed a six pack. You sort of wake 
up one day with a hangover and wonder what the hell happened but don't regret 
the adventure.

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   
 Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  
 I hear this a lot and this is very much related to how people feel about 
attending the group meditation in the Domes here. Meditators have been 
separated and excluded in a number of ways that need to be directly 
acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve with the 'collective 
meditation'.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   
 How could it have got so bad with the numbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations? 
 
 
 That people can't or won't come back to the recall?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 According to published records, by July 1975 in the USA, just itself alone, 
had 5799 TM initiators. Now we can't get much better than a very couple of 
hundred meditating in the men's Dome together. 
  After 1975 some more TM teachers and then TM 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You know, the TMO has always operated in a cliquish manner. When you first get 
initiated ,everything is cool. You belong to a unique group of people *saving 
the world*. But then you notice various cliques have formed. There are plane 
ol' meditaters,( the lowest of the low, that nobody wants to hang with) sidhas, 
pre-teachers, Teachers, Governors, Rajas, Maharajas, ministers of this and 
that, administrators, cooks and dish washer, etcDisenfranchising a group could 
have the effect of making them scramble to get in a better position, even if it 
costs them a lot of money to *belong*.
Thank God, I don't want to *belong*!I don't remember how many teachers 
Maharishi trained before this recertification program started but imagine 
getting every, or nearly every, teacher to plop down a couple of thousand bucks 
just to maintain their status. Might pay some bills with that kind of cash. 
Plus, you can tighten your grip on confidentiality of the teaching process.
  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
   
    Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  I hear this a lot and this 
is very much related to how people feel about attending the group meditation in 
the Domes here. Meditators have been separated and excluded in a number of ways 
that need to be directly acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve 
with the 'collective meditation'.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

One doesn't need a license to teach TM.So, you want the *state* to regulate the 
TM movement on how to operate?
Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.
  From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.


  From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 How could it have got so bad with thenumbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?
That people can't or won't come back tothe recall?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

According to published records, by July1975 in the USA, just itself alone, had 
5799 TM initiators. Now we can'tget much better than a very couple of hundred 
meditating in the men's Dometogether.  After 1975 some more TM teachers and 
then TM governorswere trained up in years following. With 'citizens' added, 
something like 29000 peoplelearned the TM-sidhis in North America.  Now the 
Dome program gets 200 plus men tothe Dome group meditation and some smallish 
number of women are over meditating in their location.  People moved here to 
Fairfield to be a part of somethinglarge when the group meditation had two 
thousand or more attending.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

How could it have got to be so bad with thenumbers in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

'Collective meditation' was a majormajor tenet of Maharishi's all along, there 
quite evidently has beena failure of an administration of the meditation, a 
failure thataffected people's feelings about coming out for the 
communalcollective meditation. This is 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Swedish humor about intregration...

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Carde, the records from July 1975 show Sweden with 122 initiators and 27,000 
meditators or .325% of the Swedish population meditating.
 

 Unfathomable is the course of action.

 

 -JaiGuruYou
   
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Perhaps I'm also a bit disappointed that TM in Sweden has
 not prevented the problems caused by immigrants, like
 over 50 no-go-zones, I believe, and Sweden being the rape capital
 of the West:
 

 Sweden: Rape Capital of the West 
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape 
 
 http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape
 
 Sweden: Rape Capital of the West 
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape Forty years after the 
Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the formerly homogenous Sweden 
into a multicultural country, violent crime has i...


 
 View on www.gatestoneinstitu... 
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
http://transcendental-meditation.se/var-lar-jag-mig/ 
http://transcendental-meditation.se/var-lar-jag-mig/

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes a lot of old TM teachers feel cut this way.  
 I hear this a lot and this is very much related to how people feel about 
attending the group meditation in the Domes here. Meditators have been 
separated and excluded in a number of ways that need to be directly 
acknowledged and remediated for attendance to improve with the 'collective 
meditation'.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One doesn't need a license to teach TM.
 So, you want the *state* to regulate the TM movement on how to operate?

 Bet Maharishi would have taken his knowledge and money and left in a heart 
beat.
Hot under the collar? You can perceive it that way. I just say I washed my 
hands of their foolishness. I know a shake down when I see it. I don't need 
them anymore than they need me.

 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes 
the next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness
 
 
   Many professions have a continuing ed. requirement which you have to fulfill 
iin order to keep your license to practice. I see nothing wrong at all in 
requiring recertification for teachers, so I'm puzzled about why you are so ho 
under the collar about it.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Doug, the TM movement keeps shooting it's self in the foot with it's policies. 
I guess the straw that broke the Camel's back for me was saying I couldn't 
initiate anyone  again unless I came back to Fairfield at their convenience, 
paid them a couple of thousand dollars and get re certified. I took that as a 
shakedown for money because they were hurting due to their own failed policies. 
Screw them and the horse they road in on. *Chances* are, I probably would never 
have initiated anyone again as it was but who knows. I'll honor their desire 
for me not to teach but If anyone ever asks me about a meditation technique, 
I'll send them to AOL before the TMO.
 
 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 1:02 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators Should Come (back) to the Domes the 
next 4-5 weeks ~ Important time for coherence in consciousness

 
   
 How could it have got so bad with the numbers meditating in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations? 
 
 
 That people can't or won't come back to the recall?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 According to published records, by July 1975 in the USA, just itself alone, 
had 5799 TM initiators. Now we can't get much better than a very couple of 
hundred meditating in the men's Dome together. 
  After 1975 some more TM teachers and then TM governors were trained up in 
years following. With 'citizens' added, something like 29000 people learned the 
TM-sidhis in North America.
  
  Now the Dome program gets 200 plus men to the Dome group meditation and some 
smallish number of women are over meditating in their location. 
  People moved here to Fairfield to be a part of something large when the group 
meditation had two thousand or more attending.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 How could it have got to be so bad with the numbers in the Fairfield Dome 
meditations?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 'Collective meditation' was a major major tenet of Maharishi's all along, 
there quite evidently has been a failure of an administration of the 
meditation, a failure that affected people's feelings about coming out for the 
communal collective meditation. This is going to take a change in leadership 
culture to re-group the collapse of the Dome group TM meditation program.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 MMY: "This is what happens in the Golden Domes,
 a wave of infinity spreads from one end of the Dome to the other end. But the 
wave is not constrained by the walls. It permeates the whole collective 
conscious ~the whole field of unmanifest infinity. This is what you are here 
for. And as the group gets larger and larger, your experience will become more 
profound." -July 2006, MMY inaugurating the Invincible America Assembly
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The movement’s administrative guidelines for the group meditation should be 
such that all of the guidelines can be put on to a web page, publicly for 
anyone to read.  If that can’t be done then there is something wrong with the 
guidelines or the persons holding them.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The guidelines for the Dome meditation could be much streamlined down to what 
it essentially takes to administrate a course.  It is fair that there be 
guidelines for the running of any organization, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Swedish humor about intregration...

[he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Perhaps I'm also a bit disappointed that TM in Sweden has
 not prevented the problems caused by immigrants, like
 over 50 no-go-zones, I believe, and Sweden being the rape capital
 of the West:
 

 Sweden: Rape Capital of the West 
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape 
 
 http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape 
 
 Sweden: Rape Capital of the West 
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape Forty years after the 
Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the formerly homogenous Sweden 
into a multicultural country, violent crime has i...
 
 
 
 View on www.gatestoneinstitu... 
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  
http://transcendental-meditation.se/var-lar-jag-mig/ 
http://transcendental-meditation.se/var-lar-jag-mig/

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Swedish humor about intregration...

[he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Well, about 6 percent of Finns are Swedish speaking. In the 60's I had
 a Swedish speaking pal who also spoke Finnish almost like a native.
 When his teenage somewhat older sister heard him speak Finnish
 to me, she said very angrily: Anders (name changed), we are not Finns!
 (They call themselves Finländare: people who live in Finland but
 are not Finns?)
 

 That might explain a bit of my not being very fond of some Swedes...