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Re: [FairfieldLife] Issue: Are all forms of meditation and relaxation the same?

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Getting there is a process. But you can call it cream cheese if you 
like. :-)


http://www.collective-evolution.com/2016/01/25/study-factors-associated-with-consciousness-can-influence-our-autonomic-nervous-system/

On 10/28/2017 02:35 PM, he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:



I wouldn't call (paatañjala-)yoga a process. According to both Vyaasa 
and Bhojadeva yoga is samaadhi:


Bhoja: yogaH samaadhiH (~ yaw-gus samaadhihee)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Endorsements from Independent Scholars-Maharishi Effect

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I agree, Excellent series of posts!

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Correction!  ...the evidence is in that meditation assists the 
mind/body/spirit in *explainable* (and unexplainable) ways. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Excellent series of posts!  Wouldn't it be amazing to have a conversation with 
Dr. Pamela Peeke?   

 I see that you have clipped out your accolades below. 
 

 If you got them from a TM website, than they are not necessarily 
"independent."  
 

 If these people are part of the TM organization and/or doing TM themselves, 
than they are not, to my way of thinking, independent.  In fact, in a court of 
law, they might need to recuse themselves due to a conflict of interest 
(depending on what they are testifying to).  

 

 That doesn't mean that their statements and their credentials can't be 
presented to market TM.  
 

 In the one article (and I only looked at the one) I dug into, I found it 
amusing that all but two of the PhD's listed as authors were from MUM!  
 

 I see from your posts that, in fact, scads of articles have been published 
since the 2000's.  Good to see.  If one takes all the articles on meditation 
published (all forms and types) and all of the books written and TED talks and 
conferences, etc., the evidence is in that meditation assists the 
mind/body/spirit in unexplainable ways.
 

 Pretty great, isn't it?
 

 Maybe consider participating in this?  It isn't practice-specific; they 
welcome everyone.  
 

 http://www.globalpeacemeditation.com/ http://www.globalpeacemeditation.com/

 

  
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 “This work . . . deserves the most serious consideration.” “The claim can be 
plausibly made that the potential impact of this research exceeds that of any 
other ongoing social or psychological research program. The research has 
survived a broader array of statistical tests than most research in the field 
of conflict resolution. I think this work, and the theory that informs it, 
deserve the most serious consideration by academics and policy makers alike.”
 —David Edwards, Ph.D., Professor of Government, University of Texas at Austin
 “We have to take these studies seriously.” “In the studies that I have 
examined on the impact of the Maharishi Effect [Brain-Based Approach to Peace] 
on conflict, I can find no methodological flaws, and the findings have been 
consistent across a large number of replications in many different geographical 
and conflictual situations. As unlikely as the premise may sound, I think we 
have to take these studies seriously.”
 —Ted Robert Gurr, Ph.D., Emeritus Professor of Government and Politics,
 University of Maryland
 “The work is sound.” “The hypothesis definitely raised some eyebrows among our 
reviewers. But the statistical work is sound. The numbers are there. When you 
can statistically control for as many variables as these studies do, it makes 
the results much more convincing. This evidence indicates that we now have a 
new technology to generate peace in the world.”
 —Raymond Russ, Ph.D., Professor of Psychology, University of Maine;
 editor, Journal of Mind and Behavior
 “This research . . . demands action.” “I have been following the research on 
the Maharishi Effect [Brain-Based Approach to Peace] as it has developed over 
the last twenty years. There is now a strong and coherent body of evidence 
showing that [this approach] provides a simple and cost-effective solution to 
many of the social problems we face today. This research and its conclusions 
are so strong, that it demands action from those responsible for government 
policy.”
 —Huw Dixon, Ph.D., Professor of Economics, York University, England
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Issue: Are all forms of meditation and relaxation the same?

[he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

 I wouldn't call (paatañjala-)yoga a process. According to both Vyaasa and 
Bhojadeva yoga is samaadhi:
 

 Bhoja: yogaH samaadhiH (~ yaw-gus samaadhihee)
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Issue: Are all forms of meditation and relaxation the same?

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Yoga IS the process of gaining control over autonomic nervous system.  
Left to it's own devices the autonomic nervous system can go out of 
whack causing disease.  By yoga I don't mean the asanas.  That's a dumb 
western misapplication of the term.  Yoga actually means "meditation."


TM is sorta the Comcast of meditation.

On 10/27/2017 02:41 PM, he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:



TM seems to superb in reducing trait anxiety?

[FairfieldLife] Re: is TM a cult?

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I been out of town giving a paper on the Fairfield meditating community at an 
academic conference for a group that studies groups like ours here in Fairfield 
and am now catching up on these recent threads… good considerations.  
 Thanks, this one offered here is really an interesting site for the overview 
it gives: http://www.religioustolerance.org/cults.htm 
http://www.religioustolerance.org/cults.htm

 ..a ™ sect for some practitioners, a new religious movement with other 
practitioners and then seen as a cult for others playing the pejorative card. 
 ...
 In 1998-MAY, the Associated Press decided to avoid the use of the word "cult" 
because it had acquired a pejorative aura; they have since given preference to 
the term "sect."

 I love the quip from Emily.mae: that those in the TM village believe TM is the 
best  not clear that ultimately, "separation of church and state" would be 
smiled upon by the TM structure. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And another correction: 

 In this case, it would seem that the TM org and/or MMY followers would qualify 
as part of a "religious movement" with Melton.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 About J. Gordon Melton's work as a cult apologist (according to this article): 

 http://www.apologeticsindex.org/m06.html 
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/m06.html
 

 His views are that organizations such as Scientology, Children of God, 
Jonestown, etc. are not cults but rather "new religious movements" or in 
another interview I read with him personally "minority religions."  
 

 In this case, it would seem that the TM org would qualify as a "religion" with 
Melton.  As an aside, I think this is the basis for how the chanting pundits 
are allowed into the U.S.—under the category of "religious workers."  FFL had a 
long discussion on this some time ago (when the the pundits organized a 
protest).  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Correction:  The definition David Orme-Johnson has adopted from J. Gordon 
Melton (his own personal definition). 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From your link:
 

 The word “cult” has many meanings, but in recent decades it has often been 
used with a negative connotation to point out a group that others would like to 
see removed from society. This use of the term is expressed by the prominent 
religious scholar J. Gordon Melton:
 

 "My working definition of a cult is a group that you don't like, and I say 
that somewhat facetiously, but at the same time, in fact, that is my working 
definition of a cult. It is a group that somebody doesn't like. It is a 
derogatory term, and I have never seen it redeemed from the derogatory 
connotations that it picked up in the sociological literature in the 1930s." 
(1).
 

 Yes, in society today, mostly a pejorative term.  
 

 The dictionary defines the word more objectively and comprehensively.  Using 
David Orme-Johnson's definition of "It is a group that somebody doesn't like," 
the TM org could easily be called a cult by those who don't like it!  So could 
so many other things, no?  That definition is his own personal definition and 
not one supported by the dictionary.  
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/IndividualEffects/IsTMaCult/index.cfm 
http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/IndividualEffects/IsTMaCult/index.cfm