RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
>From: "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to >meditate, wa >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:42:44 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think the seperation from nature is the whole issue with man, not > > as individuals but as an evolutionary thing. The seperateness comes > > from abstract thought, we are the only animal that knows that it will > > die. All other creatures are blissfully ignorant of this and thus > > joined to nature by lives of pure instinct. > >FWIW, there's some evidence that the higher apes are >capable of abstract thought. > >If you paint a red splotch on an orangutan's head, then >give it a mirror, it will look at itself in the mirror >and then reach for its own head to find out what the >splotch is. This is taken to mean that the orang has >a sense of itself as an individual, some degree of self- >awareneness. > >Whether it knows that it will die is another question. >But do we really know we will die? I suggest that we >know only that *others* die and extrapolate from that, >but the bottom line is that this is really just a >speculation, well founded though it may be. > >Our intuition, our gut sense, tells us otherwise: we >literally cannot conceive--except on an intellectual >level--that our consciousness will cease to exist (or >that there was a time before our birth when it did not >yet exist). We come to believe in the evidence that >we will die because we see that others die, but it's >still just a belief, and moreover a belief that >contradicts our intuition. > >An orangutan also sees that others like itself die. >The higher apes are known to mourn the deaths of >others. Given the orangutan's sense of itself as >an individual like other individuals it sees die, >it's not *too* great a stretch to think it may also >extrapolate to the idea that it too will die. > >In any case, my point is that it's not so much abstract >thought that makes the difference, but rather the >capacity for self-awareness, which must exist before any >abstract thought can take place. But the capacity for >self-awareness in and of itself may mandate some degree >of abstract thought; and since some animals apparently >do have self-awareness, it would follow that they also >have some capacity for abstract thought. > > > > Yes, I guess as we share 98% of our DNA with these guys there ought to be more similarities than just physical appearance. Is it possible to teach one of the other apes to meditate though? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
>From: "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to >meditate, wa >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:54:57 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >From: "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >It looked very much as though the dolphin had gotten > > >bored and had decided to test the range of the > > >researcher's hearing. > > > > > Wouldn't surprise me, they alter the pitch of their voices to talk > > to humans as sound travels differently through the air. But I don't > > know about meditation, wouldn't they sink? > >They *sleep*, so why couldn't they meditate? Apparently they sleep with one half of their brains at a time so they still get to take the odd breath, a neat trick I think. > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
>From: "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to >meditate, wa >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:51:20 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >From: TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing >people to > > >meditate, wa > > >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:48:27 - > > > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Why ascribe divine presence to something that doesn't > > > > need it? I think it's much more amazing to think of > > > > life as having started from nowhere and reaching this > > > > level of complexity unaided. > > > > > > > > Isn't it enough to know that a garden's beautiful > > > > without thinking there's fairies at the bottom of > > > > it as well? > > > > > >Well said, dude. I've grown so used to being > > >surrounded by theists here that it's really > > >refreshing to hear from someone who can even > > >*conceive* of a universe that doesn't require > > >a deity, and the fact that it would essentially > > >be more interesting than a universe that did > > >have one. > > > > Cheers! > > > > Shame I'm going away for long weekend and won't know if we've got > > any converts, perhaps everyone can wait for a week or talk about > > something else 'til I get back? > >I just wrote a long response to your most recent >post to me, but Yahoo ate it. I'll try to put >it together again for when you return. > >FWIW, I'm not a theist. Actually what I described >that Barry is trashing here is deism, not theism. >But I'm not even a deist; I was just presenting the >deist view as a more abstract and science-compatible >alternative to the Creationism notion of a >micromanaging deity, which is in conflict with science. > >Again Barry's confusing "This theory says..." with "What >this theory says is true!" He doesn't seem able to >conceive of describing a theory or belief without >necessarily believing in it oneself. > >And for those keeping score, this is the third post >of mine Barry has trashed after having sworn three days >ago to avoid "commenting on subjects that even a >paranoid obsessive might think were about her >personally." I only glanced at the "feud" thread and so don't know the whole story.But are you sure your "History" with Barry isn't clouding your judgement here? I didn't think he was "trashing" your post and maybe the "thiest" bit wasn't directed solely at you, I'm happy for anyone to pitch in, the more the merrier! Look forward to reading your post when I get back. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
>From: TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to >meditate, wa >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:56:00 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >From: TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Why ascribe divine presence to something that doesn't > > > > need it? I think it's much more amazing to think of > > > > life as having started from nowhere and reaching this > > > > level of complexity unaided. > > > > > > > > Isn't it enough to know that a garden's beautiful > > > > without thinking there's fairies at the bottom of > > > > it as well? > > > > > > Well said, dude. I've grown so used to being > > > surrounded by theists here that it's really > > > refreshing to hear from someone who can even > > > *conceive* of a universe that doesn't require > > > a deity, and the fact that it would essentially > > > be more interesting than a universe that did > > > have one. > > > > Cheers! > > > > Shame I'm going away for long weekend and won't know > > if we've got any converts, perhaps everyone can wait > > for a week or talk about something else 'til I get back? > >LOL. I don't know about you, but I'm not looking >for "converts." Everyone is free to believe what >they bloody well want to believe. I'm just looking >for a few who seem to be able to conceive of some- >thing *other* than what they want to believe. I >figure that quest will keep me busy for easily >the rest of the incarnation. :-) I quite agree, I was joking about converts we all live in our own universe, besides you can't reason someone out of something they weren't reasoned into! > >Have a great weekend. Going anywhere interesting? >You're from the UK, right? Hope you're getting out >into the countryside, or even "off island." > I'm going hiking in the peak district national park the "backbone of England", which is nicely desolate and inspiring and far from the madding crowd. >Me, I'm heading off this weekend into Cathar country. >Probably going to spend a couple of nights up at >Quéribus to blow the cobwebs out. This is what it >looks like, if you've never heard of it: > >http://www.pbase.com/michael_w/image/39417073 Wow, that looks rather dramatic, enjoy! > >Have fun...be well... " " " " >Unc > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
>From: TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to >meditate, wa >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:48:27 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Why ascribe divine presence to something that doesn't > > need it? I think it's much more amazing to think of > > life as having started from nowhere and reaching this > > level of complexity unaided. > > > > Isn't it enough to know that a garden's beautiful > > without thinking there's fairies at the bottom of > > it as well? > >Well said, dude. I've grown so used to being >surrounded by theists here that it's really >refreshing to hear from someone who can even >*conceive* of a universe that doesn't require >a deity, and the fact that it would essentially >be more interesting than a universe that did >have one. > > Cheers! Shame I'm going away for long weekend and won't know if we've got any converts, perhaps everyone can wait for a week or talk about something else 'til I get back? > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
>From: "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to >meditate, wa >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:57:37 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >[I wrote:] > > >In any case, my point is that it's not so much abstract > > >thought that makes the difference, but rather the > > >capacity for self-awareness, which must exist before any > > >abstract thought can take place. But the capacity for > > >self-awareness in and of itself may mandate some degree > > >of abstract thought; and since some animals apparently > > >do have self-awareness, it would follow that they also > > >have some capacity for abstract thought. > > > > > Yes, I guess as we share 98% of our DNA with these guys there ought > > to be more similarities than just physical appearance. > > > > Is it possible to teach one of the other apes to meditate though? > >Probably not unless we learn to speak (other) ape! > I was thinking of Koko and her sign language. >On the other hand, for all we know, they may meditate >already, having discovered meditation on their own. I doubt that but it does make me wonder about just how different we are and why that 2% difference gives us the capacity for mystical experience as well as everything else. >Dolphins too, perhaps. > >One of my favorite (allegedly true) dolphin stories: > >A researcher was training a dolphin to make a sound >on signal, to be rewarded with a fish. The dolphin >picked it up quickly, but the researcher kept testing >it over and over. > >At one point the dolphin suddenly stopped squeaking >in response to the signals, although the researcher >was signalling in exactly the same way. After several >more tries, the dolphin began squeaking on signal again. > >The researcher was puzzled as to why it should have >stopped for a while after it had mastered the trick. > >Then he looked at the recording instruments that >were monitoring the sessions. Apparently the dolphin >had been squeaking on signal all along, but at the >point when it seemed to have stopped, it had actually >lowered the frequency of its squeak well below the >level of human hearing. > >Not only that, but when it didn't get a fish after its >first low-pitched squeak, rather than returning to its >normal frequency, it raised its squeaks in small >increments until the researcher began giving it fish >again. > >It looked very much as though the dolphin had gotten >bored and had decided to test the range of the >researcher's hearing. > Wouldn't surprise me, they alter the pitch of their voices to talk to humans as sound travels differently through the air. But I don't know about meditation, wouldn't they sink? Seriously though, I think man is the only animal that could meditate and I would say we came pre-adapted for the ability when we evolved such complex speech centres in our brains. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
>From: "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to >meditate, wa >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:41:21 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >From: "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >From: "sparaig" > > > > >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing > > >people to > > > > >meditate, wa > > > > >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:48:05 - > > > > > > > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It's entirely possible to believe in an all-knowing, all- >powerful God who planned everything and also accept >evolution; such a God would be entirely capable of designing >a "blind process" that would result in the creation and >evolution of life without His/Her/Its tinkering once it was >launched. Possible to believe yes, but why bother? Why ascribe divine presence to something that doesn't need it? I think it's much more amazing to think of life as having started from nowhere and reaching this level of complexity unaided. Isn't it enough to know that a garden's beautiful without thinking there's fairies at the bottom of it as well? > >But it would still look to us exactly as if the process >emerged and operated entirely on its own; it wouldn't >contradict anything we know about the evolution of life. The problem I have here is that any god must be infinitely more complex than even the simplest thing in his creation so it doesn't explain anything, it's just a way to push the problem somewhere else. > >I think we try to interpret ancient beliefs too literally >sometimes. The ancients had to use metaphor for their >intuitive insights because they didn't have our scientific >terminology. But the underlying concepts may well be >very similar. No, they didn't have our scientific method, the whole point of the rennaisance was that, freed from the limits imposed by religious doctrine, we could really explore what is and what isn't and look at what we've done since then. Without that it's likely we would still think the earth was created in 6 days or had been here forever. Perhaps these "intuitive insights" are really attempts to bring order to a chaotic world, I can't deny the real wisdom and beauty of the Vedas but do we need to accept the whole thing as literally true? > > > > Encompassed by UF yes, explained no. One of the things that annoys > > me about people you meet in TM circles is they always pass off > > every statement or new discovery about the universe etc.with a > > breezy "oh it's all consciousness" as though that explains anything > > at all. There are still very many mysteries, including the actual > > nature of fundamental reality, just try telling a non-movement > > phycisist that consciousness is the UF and they say "well yes > > maybebut it's impossible to actually prove it" so it's not a > > done deal. > >It's theoretically possible to prove it, according to >what MMY teaches, or at least to disprove the notion >that there's nothing beyond standard materialism. Real >levitation, for example, would demonstrate unequivocally >that the materialist model is not the whole story. It most definately would, there is just one problem.. > >Orthodox science still doesn't have a clue about the >nature of ordinary human consciousness; that's the >biggest mystery of all. I doubt it will ever be >cracked by orthodox science unless it figures out >some way to quantify subjective experience and >incorporate it into scientific theory--which is pretty >much a contradiction in terms. There is an new science book called "consciousness explained" I have been dying to read, perhaps once I'm fully up with the latest discoveries I will be able to answer that. I get the impression from reviews the writers think they are on the case as far as the mystery goes, and it isn't all that mystical. We shall see, nothing is absolute yet as far as I am concerned. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
>From: "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to >meditate, wa >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:52:52 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >From: "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing >people to > > >meditate, wa > > >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:48:05 - > > > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >How can consciousness NOT be the unified field? > > > > By being nothing more than a product of our brains and disappearing >when we > > die. > > > > I always thought the concept of transcending from the relative >to "oneness" > > was simply analogous to the way the physical universe is >structured. This > > seems likely as consciousness being the UF implies that >consciousness was > > here first, which seems to contradict everything else we know about >the > > universe. > > > > I'm sure a unified theory of life wouldn't do that. > >Consciousness doesn't mean consciousness OF something, but rather the >self-interacting dynamics of a non-differentiated thingie. >not trying to blind me with science> But if we evolve from consciousnssdefined as non-differentiated then it must go through a hell of a transformation before it becomes our awareness I'm not convinced it's the same thing at all, always happy to be proved wrong though. Suggest >you check out John Hagelin's lectures on the subject. The replay of >the weekend with David Lynch found at >http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org is a good place to start. > >Cheers for that, when I get onto a computer with more than 0.2 hz power I >will take a look. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday >Times' >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:19:27 EDT > > >In a message dated 4/19/06 7:23:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >< Israel is our ally who we will defend to > >the end which is what really pisses middle eastern countries off about > >American foreign policy > >I disagree, Israel illegally holds onto large swathes of the west bank and >east jerusalem, it is NOT their land and they treat the rightful owners >despicably, Who wants allies like that? > > >Too bad, they are our allies whether you can accept it or not. No peace in the middle east then. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
>From: "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to >meditate, wa >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:24:04 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >From: "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing >people to > > >meditate, wa > > >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:48:05 - > > > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >How can consciousness NOT be the unified field? > > > > By being nothing more than a product of our brains and disappearing > > when we die. > > > > I always thought the concept of transcending from the relative > > to "oneness" was simply analogous to the way the physical universe > > is structured. This seems likely as consciousness being the UF > > implies that consciousness was here first, which seems to > > contradict everything else we know about the universe. > >What does it contradict that we know about the universe? > >According to the UF notion, the material universe >(along with time and space) manifested *from* >consciousness (which is said to be nonlocal and >timeless). In other words--as I understand it-- >the UF notion encompasses everything we know about >the universe; further, there is nothing we *could* >know about the universe that would not already be >encompassed by the UF notion. > > So why call the UF consciousness if it's no different from standard scientific models about reality? it confuses the issue with our own awareness (To me anyway) I always understood the vedic position to be that the UF is the mind of god and that it guides the creation of the universe. This how it's taught or that's the implication I get from reading Tony Naders book of "discoveries" about the ved, I could write an essay about the anthropomorphism there. And that, if I've understood it, does contradict what we know as the evolution of life is a blind process, and the universe didn't need any help getting from the big bang to here. Perhaps we try too hard to integrate ancient beliefs with modern understanding, mans existence wasn't pre-ordained and we are certainly not the ultimate statement of creation. Encompassed by UF yes, explained no. One of the things that annoys me about people you meet in TM circles is they always pass off every statement or new discovery about the universe etc.with a breezy "oh it's all consciousness" as though that explains anything at all. There are still very many mysteries, including the actual nature of fundamental reality, just try telling a non-movement phycisist that consciousness is the UF and they say "well yes maybebut it's impossible to actually prove it" so it's not a done deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
>From: "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to >meditate, wa >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:26:54 - > >---Richard wrote: > > > > we are the only animal that knows that it will die. > >I'm not so sure about this. I seem to recall that gorillas >who've learned sign language have talked about the >end of life. Maybe it was Koko who talked about this. >With her limited vocabulary she gave it a somewhat >simplistic, poetic description, something like "going >to the place of sleep." > > That's really interesting, but wouldn't sign language be their first brush with abstract thought and thus first way of thinking about death? Or maybe they do know all about it and are totally at peace with the idea, who knows? One swift look around the internet later, and it would seem that Koko did talk about death, no details here but I shall keep looking. . http://dragon.zoo.utoronto.ca/~x19919/mylinkspage.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday >Times' >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:16:26 EDT > > >In a message dated 4/18/06 3:02:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > >I doubt if you will find any Arab nation that objected to our involvement >in >helping the Mujahadeen in ousting the Soviets. That doesn't make it alright to destroy an entire country. < Saddam Hussein did not come >to power by the hands of the US. And the US only gave Saddam enough >military >intelligence, via Satellite to let him know of Iranian troop movements so >the status quo could be maintained. I've heard a vastly different story there. < Israel is our ally who we will defend to >the end which is what really pisses middle eastern countries off about >American foreign policy I disagree, Israel illegally holds onto large swathes of the west bank and east jerusalem, it is NOT their land and they treat the rightful owners despicably, Who wants allies like that? What pisses off the entire world about american foreign policy is the vile hypocrisy. . However the United States has bent over backwards trying to >reach an agreement to establish a Palestinian homeland even to the tune of >billions of dollars in aid to Palestinian people. Bent over backwards tricking the palestinians into accepting the situation Israel has forced on them you mean. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
>From: "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to >meditate, wa >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:48:05 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >How can consciousness NOT be the unified field? By being nothing more than a product of our brains and disappearing when we die. I always thought the concept of transcending from the relative to "oneness" was simply analogous to the way the physical universe is structured. This seems likely as consciousness being the UF implies that consciousness was here first, which seems to contradict everything else we know about the universe. I'm sure a unified theory of life wouldn't do that. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
>From: TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to >meditate, wa >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:03:52 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Or how about three quarters because I doubt these ancient > > writings are be taken that literally, I would say they > > are more the history of the consciousness of that > > civilisation. So, perhaps asking if sat yuga is a > > fairy tale is not the right question, most human > > religions have tales of a blissfull life with god > > before a fall from grace, I like the idea that they > > symbolise the emergence of self awareness and the > > resultant seperateness from nature. All our meditating > > and rituals since then have been an attempt to regain > > that unity. > >And the real joke of it all is that the myth is WRONG. >There has never been a moment when anyone in human >history has ever "lost" their unity and "fallen" from >"grace." They all -- each and every one of them -- have >always already been enlightened. The entire issue of >"separation" from nature is a non-issue, an illusion >based on ignorance of what has always already been >present. So the myth of "the fall" was developed to >describe the ignorance and the illusion, *not* to >describe any kind of reality. :-) > > > I think the seperation from nature is the whole issue with man, not as individuals but as an evolutionary thing. The seperateness comes from abstract thought, we are the only animal that knows that it will die. All other creatures are blissfully ignorant of this and thus joined to nature by lives of pure instinct. Can we go back? Surely enlightenment, the living in the moment aspect, is paradise regained because we are at one with the needs of the moment and not worrying about past/present, but with the added bonus of total self awareness. I've never liked the idea that we are already enlightened as my experience of higher states has shown me amazing levels of perception and bliss with a definite progression in that direction day-to-day. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
>From: "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to >meditate, was: T >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:36:41 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >From: Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > >To: > > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people >to > > >meditate, was: The "Feud"--one lurker's view > > >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:11:59 -0500 > > > > > >on 4/18/06 1:13 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > > > wrote: > > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > > > >> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> And they all lived happily ever after. > > > >> > > > >> yeah-- very difficult to promote ideals during kali yuga > > > >> because it is so hard to sustain them. we keep trying though. > > > > > > > > Just as a question, how many people believe that Sat > > > > Yuga ever existed? > > > > > > > > As far as I'm aware the yuga cycle takes billions of years to run, >so it > > seems unlikely that it is real as there would have been no humans >in > > existence to experience the last age of enlightenment, or even a >universe > > for them to live in maybe! > > > >Of course, it depends which universe we're talking about... > >Standard Quantum Mechanics can lead to 4 levels of "multiverse." The >first is based on the assumption that the universe is really infinite >even if we can't see past 15 or so billion lightyears where the local >big bang happened. If the universe is infinite, EVERY possible >permutation of elementary particles and forces exists somewhere, >including infinitely many exact duplicates of our own universe. > >The second is the many worlds theory, where everything that can >happen DOES happen, leading to the "creation" of alternate universes >with every single one of an infinite number of possible outcomes for >every single possible quantum mechanical event.This works out to >being the same universe as the first, for all practical purposes. > >The third multiverse is like the first two, except that every single >possible value of every cosmological constant exists. > >The fourth is where every possible mathematically consistent >description of a universe is true, which means that ANYTHING that we >can conceive of as a "rule" including anything that story-tellers and >song-writers come up with, is true, in some universe, not to mention >all the stuff we can't conceive of -- if its "consistent," it exists. > > >Those are the universes WE can conceive of andthey are all consisten >with quantum mechanics. Who knows what else can exist if God exists >(and of course, if the fourth level of multiverse exists, than God >MUST exist). > > Of course, it could be something even wierder or perhaps much simpler, and how can we ever be sure that we have the right answer? But if this is what the writers of the vedas meant I'm sure they would have said so, unless consciousness really is the unified field, who knows? Not me. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, wa
>From: "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to >meditate, was: T >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:22:40 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >[snip] > > > > As far as I'm aware the yuga cycle takes billions of years to run, >so it > > seems unlikely that it is real as there would have been no humans in > > existence to experience the last age of enlightenment, or even a >universe > > for them to live in maybe! > >Aassignement: get a copy of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's commentary on the >Bhagavad-Gita. Read the commentary on the first stanza in chapter 4. >Findings to be presented in this forum no later than 48 hours from now. > Cheers for that! It's been a while since I had any homework but here goes; It starts well, the study of history has definate purpose in ensuring a better present by understanding the past. Yep the value of events is important. I agree that it's purpose is to ensure the path of righteousness for the well being of society. But it says timelines are impossible so let me help you out, One sat yuga=2 million years, thats before the modern human race existed. One chaturyugi=8 million years, hominids were just thinking about walking upright in africa. One manavantara takes us back to the dinosaurs when our ancestors were nibbling insects under cover of darkness. One kalpa or 14 manus is erm, long before the carboniferous when the worlds fossil fuels formed. Actually 14 manus is before the cambrian explosion when complex life first evolved, and all in the sea I hasten to add. So if one day of brahma equals 75 million years and there are 30 to a month, and 12 months to a year and one hundred years of brahma. shit! my calculator has run out of noughts. But, unless my maths has failed me completely, we are back to the dust cloud the sun has yet to form from. So maybe the universe was still here. Can we just say I was half right? Or how about three quarters because I doubt these ancient writings are be taken that literally, I would say they are more the history of the consciousness of that civilisation. So, perhaps asking if sat yuga is a fairy tale is not the right question, most human religions have tales of a blissfull life with god before a fall from grace, I like the idea that they symbolise the emergence of self awareness and the resultant seperateness from nature. All our meditating and rituals since then have been an attempt to regain that unity. > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] I'll have that with a cup of Katey's urine, please!
>From: "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] I'll have that with a cup of Katey's urine, >please! >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:04:09 - > >EXCLUSIVE: TOM CHEWS > Mission Impossible star Cruise vows to eat placenta after birth >By Patrick Mulchrone >TOM Cruise yesterday revealed his latest bizarre mission..to eat his >new baby's placenta. > >Cruise vowed he would tuck in straight after girlfriend Katie Holmes >gives birth, saying he thought it would be "very nutritious". > >The Mission Impossible star, 43, said: "I'm gonna eat the placenta. >I thought that would be good. Very nutritious. I'm gonna eat the >cord and the placenta right there." It is the latest in a series of >increasingly strange outbursts from Cruise in the run-up to the >birth. > Man is the only land mammal that doesn't eat the placenta, whales and dolphins don't either for some reason. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, was: T
>From: Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to >meditate, was: The "Feud"--one lurker's view >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:11:59 -0500 > >on 4/18/06 1:13 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> And they all lived happily ever after. > >> > >> yeah-- very difficult to promote ideals during kali yuga > >> because it is so hard to sustain them. we keep trying though. > > > > Just as a question, how many people believe that Sat > > Yuga ever existed? As far as I'm aware the yuga cycle takes billions of years to run, so it seems unlikely that it is real as there would have been no humans in existence to experience the last age of enlightenment, or even a universe for them to live in maybe! > >I once would have told you that it definitely existed because the Vedas say >it did and the Vedas are true. Now the best I can do is say that the Yuga >cycles theory is an interesting one. I tend to believe in it, but who >knows? >I also believe that UFOs have been visiting Earth for a long time (the >evidence for this is stronger than the evidence for Sat Yuga), that angels >exist, the reincarnation is real, etc., etc., but I regard all these as >theories that resonate with me that I'm willing to drop if proven wrong, >rather than as gospel truths. > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday >Times' >Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:06:07 EDT > > >In a message dated 4/17/06 2:30:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >The best guess is that now Iran has enriched uranium it will be ten years >before they have the bomb. Suitcase nukes would require a far higher level >of technology than that required for a ballistic missile sized device. > > > >I don't know where you are getting this ten year schedule from A report in the guardian newspaper, not definitive perhaps but I'm not losing sleep, not yet anyway! but there are >far more estimates giving far fewer years. On the average I have been >hearing 2 to 3 years. And whether they can develop a suit case size nuke or > not >there are ways of smuggling a nuke into just about any country. I was surprised at 9/11 I always thought they would wait until they had a nuke and sail it up the hudson or the thames. The last thing >you want to do is wait till they have one or even worse more. Iran has >already >threatened use of unconventional warfare, terrorism, to get what they >want. >As far as I'm concerned, we don't have to use conventional warfare either >to >prevent them carrying out their threats. I hope not too. I can't help thinking that might be worse than letting Iran have the bomb in the first place. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday >Times' >Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:15:44 EDT > > > > >Up until 911 the only Middle eastern country the US has any history of >meddling in was Iran it's self. The rest were governments set up by their >own >people or the British. Maybe I'm wrong. Can anybody think of any >governments that >we or our CIA toppled, other than the government in Iran that we helped >place the Shaw in power of? Afghanistan springs to mind, The USSR invaded to prop up the govt, a sympathetic gas supplier. The resulting ten year hell left the country in a pitiful state controlld by warlords and eventually the taliban. The mujahideen were largely trained and organised by the west. ex-cia operative Zbigniew Brzeziski claimed that the US destabilisd the country in the first place! hoping to trick the USSR into a vietnam style conflict. Saddam Hussien is another madman helped into power. And supported throughout his "convenient" war with Iran. Add the unconditional support of Israel at the expense of the palestinians, I think there is enough for some to be pissed off about Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday >Times' >Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:15:44 EDT > > >In a message dated 4/17/06 2:53:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >For nearly a hundred years we have seen the middle east as little >more than a filling station and knocked off any government that didn't >want >to play by our rules. And in those days no-one even complained to the UN >because they were getting cheap oil too. > >You can't keep treating people like this, If there is such a thing as >Karma >I would say we are due! > > > > >Up until 911 the only Middle eastern country the US has any history of >meddling in was Iran it's self. The rest were governments set up by their >own >people or the British. Maybe I'm wrong. Can anybody think of any >governments that >we or our CIA toppled, other than the government in Iran that we helped >place the Shaw in power of? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
>From: "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday >Times' >Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:41:27 - > >Hi Richard, Comment Below... > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ >Sunday > > >Times' > > >Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:55:52 EDT > > > > > > > > >In a message dated 4/16/06 11:54:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > > > >I doubt if Mutually Assured Destruction would stop Iran from using >nukes or any other weapons. Mutually assured destruction is the aim >of suicide bombers, and I get the idea the same mentality pervades >some middle eastern cultures/goverments/nations. MAD is not the aim of SB's, MAD is ensuring no-one attacks you because they know you can annihilate them in return. MAD kept the peace in europe until the end of the cold war. Unfortunately that meant all wars between the US & USSR were fought by proxy in vietnam, afghanistan etc. > >In particular president Ahmadinejad, who (some fear) sees >international turmoil as heralding the return of the twelfth imam, >which he believes would bring about peace and justice by establishing >islam throughout the world. The greater the turmoil or more >destructive the war, the more likely is the return of the imam. > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_imam#Reappearance >http://www.newstatesman.com/200512050014 >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/15/AR2005121501428.html > > > not a great way to live but seeing as Israel has such > > obvious expansionist ambitions it's either that or another US invasion. > >Israeli expansionist ambitions? Can you elaborate? 250,000 Israeli settlers on illegally held land on the West Bank, I doubt they will be happy until they have all the land that "God gave them" from the med to the river Jordan. This is a major problem for arabs (and all right thinking folk I would say) > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday >Times' >Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:55:52 EDT > > >In a message dated 4/16/06 11:54:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > >And when Iran can send out 40,000 suicide bombers , some equipped with > >suit > >case size nukes, then what? > >According to reuters there are "only" 200 suicide volunteers. The 40,000 >refered to are new recruits to the revolutionary guard. > >And there are no suitcase nukes. > > > > >Yes Richard, and many are saying," why shouldn't Iran have nukes". One day >they just might and why couldn't they develop suit case size nuclear bombs >and >hand them over to any number of these 200 or by then 40,000 recruits?We >stand by and do nothing other than protest to the UN or even congratulate >them on >their advances in technology. Funny how the leaders of Iran are not held >responsible for their rhetoric or their actions while leaders receiving >the >threats are held responsible for taking those threats seriously. I don't think any country should have them but it's a bit late for that. The nature of arms races is such that once Israel armed itself everyone in the middle east will. We can only hope that when it finally gets it's hands on something really dangerous, Iran will understand the concept of "mutually assured destruction", not a great way to live but seeing as Israel has such obvious expansionist ambitions it's either that or another US invasion. I would guess though, that the people of Iran have had enough of western meddling in their affairs. They don't call us the "great satan" for nothing you know. For nearly a hundred years we have seen the middle east as little more than a filling station and knocked off any government that didn't want to play by our rules. And in those days no-one even complained to the UN because they were getting cheap oil too. You can't keep treating people like this, If there is such a thing as Karma I would say we are due! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
>From: "peterklutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday >Times' >Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:40:45 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/16/06 12:18:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > And there are no suitcase nukes. > > > > > > > This is the second time you say this. I thought nobody noticed the first time! > > How do you know? Originally I saw a documentary on TV debunking the story as a cold war myth, apparently the portable nukes the soviets had, were not all that portable and definately all accounted for when dismantled. Tere are plenty of sites on the net with the full story. > > > > Were you in charge of the Soviet nuclear suit case commando and now > > have have them all physically near yourself and/or did you yourself > > oversee their physical destruction? I can neither confirm or deny this rumour. > > > > I ask this without mentioning the innumerable other ways nuclear > > material may have escaped the former Soviet Union. > > > When I referred to suit case nukes I wasn't referring to Soviet >bombs. It > > seems to me that if Iran can develop it's own Nuclear bombs and >under water > > missiles that travel over 200 miles an hour and are stealth like, is > there some > > reason over the next few years they couldn't make their own suit >case size > > nuclear bombs, perfect for handing off to terrorists to plant in the >cities of > > their choices? The best guess is that now Iran has enriched uranium it will be ten years before they have the bomb. Suitcase nukes would require a far higher level of technology than that required for a ballistic missile sized device. So, nothing to worry about yet, unless you happen to live in the middle east of course as Iran will be bombed/invaded before much longer. I wonder what would have worse consequences, Iran having the bomb or another American invasion Once the cat is out of the bag, it's out! The cat was out of it's bag 60 years ago, I've always thought it only a matter of time before some nutter gets hold of one > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday >Times' >Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:18:29 EDT > > >In a message dated 4/16/06 9:13:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Iran has readied an "army" of 40,000 suicide bombers to strike >targets all over the Western world and Israel as a response to a >possible attack on their nuclear facilities, the British Sunday Times >reported Sunday morning. > > > > >And when Iran can send out 40,000 suicide bombers , some equipped with >suit >case size nukes, then what? According to reuters there are "only" 200 suicide volunteers. The 40,000 refered to are new recruits to the revolutionary guard. And there are no suitcase nukes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: A point many have missed about David Lynch's success 'se
>From: TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A point many have missed about David Lynch's >success 'se >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:43:11 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >From: TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >I suspect that most French would say that only a cretin > > >would learn a meditation technique because of what some > > >scientific study says about it. They're far more prag- > > >matic than that, and more personal. They look at the > > >*person* who is teaching and ask themselves if there is > > >something interesting or cool about that *individual* > > >that they'd like to learn. In the case of the teachers > > >in Montpellier (I've met some of them), that is the > > >case; IMO that's the secret of their success. > > > > Why do you assume most french would think that? > >It's just a subjective experience, based on living here >for a few years. In general, I find that the French >seem to make more decisions based on their impressions >of *people* rather than so-called facts. A scientist >can stand up all day and claim that product A is better >than product B, but if the spokesperson for product >B seems to them to be more genuine and more represent- >ative of traits they'd like to see develop in their >lives, they're going to go for product B every time... >fuck the "science." > >Much of the French social system is based on person- >to-person interactions. It's the most important thing >in French culture. Science and scientific "fact" are >never even going to come *close* to replacing an assess- >ment of a person *as* a person when it comes to making >decisions about what that person -- be it a salesman >or a politician or whatever -- is selling. Gosh, no wonder the French and the English have never got on! > > > I'm sure a lot of people would value the research > > on TM as a pointer to the fact that something is > > actually happening, whereas in a lot of meditation > > techniques I have tried all you do is sit around > > thinking about stuff or staring at candles. I > > learnt after reading one of Peter Russells books > > which went into the early research, and meeting a > > TM teacher who really did have the look and persona > > of someone who had seen something beyond the usual. > >I think you were fortunate in finding such a TM >teacher. Many of the teachers who went out into >the "field" to teach in the early 70s had trouble >finding their mouth with a fork, much less repre- >senting some kind of spiritual experience or >fulfillment. :-) Yes I agree, he was a good bloke with amazingly deep eyes, as you say these first impressions are important and if been exposed to a big dose of cuurent "knowledge" I too would have run a mile. It was a Tibetan Buddhist who got me into TM funnily enough, he lent me Buddhist books but I didn't like the idea of commiting to a belief system and still don't, reincarnation? Karma? who cares? true or not it doesn't need me to believe it. > > > What we need is more comparitive research so we can > > see if other techniques have the same effects... > >I completely disagree. I think that's just a carryover >of the old TM "my technique's dick is longer than your >technique's dick" mentality. I don't think the general >public gives a shit about which meditation technique >is "best" in some kind of "scientific" dick-size >contest. They want to know whether practicing the >technique might have some benefits for them personally, >and what those benefits might be. They learn this by >looking at the teachers who embody the results of prac- >ticing the technique, *not* by looking at the research. Well in my experience TM definately has good personal effects, maybe the scientific approach backfires with some people, not with me. I'd rather look at a few graphs and see that something "real" is happening rather than waste money on yet another bit of new age tomfoolery. > > > ...I'm most interested in the Maharishi effect which I > > think is an undeniable phenomenon... > >Your call. I think the "ME" is bullshit, so I'm >completely uninterested in any research about it. >I suspect that the general public would be equally >uninterested. Interesting... don't you remember that feeling in group meditation? I've spent yea
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: A point many have missed about David Lynch's success 'se
>From: TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A point many have missed about David Lynch's >success 'selling' TM >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:52:52 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > >I suspect that most French would say that only a cretin >would learn a meditation technique because of what some >scientific study says about it. They're far more prag- >matic than that, and more personal. They look at the >*person* who is teaching and ask themselves if there is >something interesting or cool about that *individual* >that they'd like to learn. In the case of the teachers >in Montpellier (I've met some of them), that is the >case; IMO that's the secret of their success. > Why do you assume most french would think that? I'm sure a lot of people would value the research on TM as a pointer to the fact that something is actually happening, whereas in a lot of meditation techniques I have tried all you do is sit around thinking about stuff or staring at candles. I learnt after reading one of Peter Russells books which went into the early research, and meeting a TM teacher who really did have the look and persona of someone who had seen something beyond the usual. What we need is more comparitive research so we can see if other techniques have the same effects, I'm most interested in the Maharishi effect which I think is an undeniable phenomenon, the first thing I noticed was that TM was "stronger" in a group, whether it is having an effect on the wider population remains to be seen and science is the only way we will be able to do that. > >THAT is what students are responding to, Lawson. Get >over the "science project" mentality, already. That >only appeals to people who believe in science more than >they believe their own eyes and ears. > Eyes and ears are only too fallible, perhaps someones charisma can sell meditation but I want to know if it actually works, I mean I know people who got involved with charismatic gurus and when I asked what happens during thier meditation they say, genuinely puzzled, "what do you mean happens?" I would then tell them about my expriences and they would be amazed. But I agree the movements image is crap, I think they avoid spiritiual stuff to avoid alienating their corporate target, which is strange because one day they will see a "Raja" and probably head for the hills. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: A point many have missed about David Lynch's success 'se
>From: TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A point many have missed about David Lynch's >success 'selling' TM >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:52:52 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > >I suspect that most French would say that only a cretin >would learn a meditation technique because of what some >scientific study says about it. They're far more prag- >matic than that, and more personal. They look at the >*person* who is teaching and ask themselves if there is >something interesting or cool about that *individual* >that they'd like to learn. In the case of the teachers >in Montpellier (I've met some of them), that is the >case; IMO that's the secret of their success. > Why do you assume most french would think that? I'm sure a lot of people would value the research on TM as a pointer to the fact that something is actually happening, whereas in a lot of meditation techniques I have tried all you do is sit around thinking about stuff or staring at candles. I learnt after reading one of Peter Russells books which went into the early research, and meeting a TM teacher who really did have the look and persona of someone who had seen something beyond the usual. What we need is more comparitive research so we can see if other techniques have the same effects, I'm most interested in the Maharishi effect which I think is an undeniable phenomenon, the first thing I noticed was that TM was "stronger" in a group, whether it is having an effect on the wider population remains to be seen and science is the only way we will be able to do that. > >THAT is what students are responding to, Lawson. Get >over the "science project" mentality, already. That >only appeals to people who believe in science more than >they believe their own eyes and ears. > Eyes and ears are only too fallible, perhaps someones charisma can sell meditation but I want to know if it actually works, I mean I know people who got involved with charismatic gurus and when I asked what happens during thier meditation they say, genuinely puzzled, "what do you mean happens?" I would then tell them about my expriences and they would be amazed. But I agree the movements image is crap, I think they avoid spiritiual stuff to avoid alienating their corporate target, which is strange because one day they will see a "Raja" and probably head for the hills. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Characteristics of Enlightenment
>From: "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Characteristics of Enlightenment >Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:18:29 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > > > > > > Davy Crockett: I'm half-horse, half-alligator and a little attached > > with snapping turtle. I've got the fastest horse, the prettiest > > sister, the surest rifle and the ugliest dog in Texas. My father can > > lick any man in Kentucky... and I can lick my father. I can hug a >bear > > too close for comfort and eat any man alive opposed to Andy Jackson. > > > >When I was about 4 and my older brother was 8, he got a Davy Crockett >coonskin hat and I thought it was the coolest thing in the world. > > But did you know that Davey Crockett had three ears? A left ear, a right ear and a wild frontier! (it sounds better when you say it I guess) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all
>From: "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's been nice knowing you all >Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 07:41:52 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/8/06 10:05:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Of course, many analysts believe that Iran has become MORE > > radicalized since we invaded Iraq, so any increase in perceived > > threat will only make them harder to deal with, or so the >thinking > > goes. > > > > > > > > > > Iran has been "radicalized" since the Ayatolla Assawhola took >over. They > > have been state sponsors of terrorism since their revolution. But >I guess if we > > just held their hands and sang Kumbhaya we could all chill and be >friends > > > > >...which was exactly what Jimmy Carter thought we had to do... > Hey why don't we set up a large group of pundits in India, that will radiate coherence and bring peace to the whole world! > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
>From: "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes >Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 07:49:30 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >From: "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes > > >Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:11:48 - > > > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 9:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I read one of the DLs books and all the way through I was thinking >this is > > surpisingly shallow and "surface" not the words of somone who has >had the > > experience of enlightenment. And, lo and behold, at the end he >says that one > > day he hopes to have a transcendental experience. > > > > >Now, I find that very interesting. > >Can you remember which book it was? This is a book that I'll be >more than willing to make Barry happy by picking up and reading... > >By the way, the statement about hoping to one day have a >transcendental experience: it kind of reminds me of what Pope John >Paul (the one who lasted about 45 days) said after he was elected >Pope. He said something to the effect: "I'm not worthy of this >honour". > >Well, that pissed me off because if HE isn't worthy what does that >say about the 1 billion OTHER Catholics in the world? > > I'm afraid I can't remember of the top of my head, but I will try and find out. I'm sure the pope was just being modest or maybe that's why he only lasted 45 days! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes
>From: "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The four classes >Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:11:48 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 9:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > The man who takes every opportunity to hit the TMO > > > > > for weird and crazy things and here you are defending > > > > > probably one of the weirdest cults of them all: one > > > > > that chooses its leader based on some sort of > > > > > fairy tale about reincarnation! > > > > > > > > > > hahahahahahahahahaha. > > > > Shemp, did you have something strange to eat before you wrote >this? This is an odd > > reaction to the Dalai Lama and to a whole tradition that also uses >the Vedas. Vedic > > traditions sound pretty wild, too, to most people - things like >performing fire cermonies > > so that that energies coming from planets to your very own >physiology will be deflected or > > enhanced. > > > > >I don't particularly like any form of voodoo, tibetan or hindi. > > > > > > > > > > The issue, Shemp, is that you're laughing at a > > > > group of people who have more knowledge than you > > > > do about a certain subject -- death, dying, and > > > > reincarnation. And you're laughing at them and > > > > trying to put them down, when what a *smart* seeker > > > > would be doing is trying to figure out what they > > > > know, and whether it might be useful. I read one of the DLs books and all the way through I was thinking this is surpisingly shallow and "surface" not the words of somone who has had the experience of enlightenment. And, lo and behold, at the end he says that one day he hopes to have a transcendental experience. I've always prefered reading Buddhism to the movements guff, maybe because I read it first, but it's an odd scenario to have the man at the top not really knowing what he's talking about. I can't comment on the book of the dead but I file all religious writing under "yet to be proved" the Tibetan wheel of life is a masterpiece however and wll worth a look To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
>From: "Richard Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: Fwd: Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi >Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 08:24:28 +0100 > > > >>From: "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Fwd: Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi >>Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 10:28:30 - >> >>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" >> wrote: >> > >From: TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" >> > > wrote: >> >>>>From: "markmeredith2002" >> >>>> >> >>>> Well your friend is clearly just unstressing and should >> >>>> stop spreading these negative rumors. >> >>>> >> >>>> Besides the scriptures state that one man attaining >> >>>> Brahman spreads enlighenment throughout his family, >> >>>> so clearly Maharishi's nephews are also enjoying a >> >>>> high degree of enlightenment which means their >> >>>> actions are spontaneously in tune with All the Laws >> >>>> of Nature, the Will of God, which means there's >> >>>> nothing wrong with their so-called wild parties. >> >>>> Are you enlightened Rick?? Who are you to judge them?? >> >>>> >> >>>> They clearly need fancy mansions and cars in order >> >>>> to entertain Indian Gov't Dignitaries who are key to >> >>>> establishing large pundit groups who will bring on >> >>>> Sat Yuga for all mankind, so who cares about their >> >>>> apparent lavish lifestyles considering their larger >> >>>> purpose?? >> >>>> >> >>>> Besides, you should stay focused on King Nadar Ram >> >>>> and the Rajas, not the nephews who have the real >> >>>> power, otherwise the CIA will get after them and >> >>>> ruin humanity's only hope for a problem free life. >> >>> >> >>> Is this irony or the usual "true believer" kidology? >> >>> I can't tell anymore >> >> >> >> I noticed that, too. >> > >> > Perhaps I'm too subtle >> >>No, Mark is subtle. His rap is such effective >>parody *because* it could have been stated >>*verbatim* by someone high up in the TM move- >>ment. They would have said this same stuff, >>and believed every word of it. >> >>It's one of the very Laws Of Nature that they >>like to talk about: "Mindless fuckin' robots >>can't tell that they're acting like mindless >>fuckin' robots. >> >> >> > >Yes it's very good, scary actually. > >Another thing that's been scaring me more than ever is that I'm clearly >expected to believe everything they do! Which has caused not a little >astonishment and affront. > >It used to be alright, I'm more than happy to accept that not everyone >thinks like me. But it seems that to have heard the "knowledge" and have >doubts makes them think there is something wrong with me! > >Still, they are all very nice robots, some of the nicest I've met in fact. > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
>From: TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh >Yogi >Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:15:43 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Hughes" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >From: "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >Well your friend is clearly just unstressing and should stop >spreading > > >these negative rumors. > > > > > >Besides the scriptures state that one man attaining Brahman >spreads > > >enlighenment throughout his family, so clearly Maharishi's >nephews are > > >also enjoying a high degree of enlightenment which means their >actions > > >are spontaneously in tune with All the Laws of Nature, the Will of > > >God, which means there's nothing wrong with their so-called wild > > >parties. Are you enlightened Rick?? Who are you to judge them?? > > > > > >They clearly need fancy mansions and cars in order to entertain >Indian > > >Gov't Dignitaries who are key to establishing large pundit groups >who > > >will bring on Sat Yuga for all mankind, so who cares about their > > >apparent lavish lifestyles considering their larger purpose?? > > > > > >Besides, you should stay focused on King Nadar Ram and the Rajas, >not > > >the nephews who have the real power, otherwise the CIA will get >after > > >them and ruin humanity's only hope for a problem free life. > > > > > > Is this irony or the usual "true believer" kidology? I can't > > tell anymore > >I noticed that, too. > Perhaps I'm too subtle To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
>From: "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh >Yogi >Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:28:04 - > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > > > > on 4/7/06 10:33 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> > > >> You mean about the $millions$ that have been skimmed by Maharishi's > > > nephews > > >> running the Indian TMO, to build their fancy mansions, buy their > > > fancy cars, > > >> and finance their wild all-night parties? > > >> > > > > > > Is that what they do? > > > > Yes. I was reminded of this the other day by a friend who just came back > > from India. > >Well your friend is clearly just unstressing and should stop spreading >these negative rumors. > >Besides the scriptures state that one man attaining Brahman spreads >enlighenment throughout his family, so clearly Maharishi's nephews are >also enjoying a high degree of enlightenment which means their actions >are spontaneously in tune with All the Laws of Nature, the Will of >God, which means there's nothing wrong with their so-called wild >parties. Are you enlightened Rick?? Who are you to judge them?? > >They clearly need fancy mansions and cars in order to entertain Indian >Gov't Dignitaries who are key to establishing large pundit groups who >will bring on Sat Yuga for all mankind, so who cares about their >apparent lavish lifestyles considering their larger purpose?? > >Besides, you should stay focused on King Nadar Ram and the Rajas, not >the nephews who have the real power, otherwise the CIA will get after >them and ruin humanity's only hope for a problem free life. > > Is this irony or the usual "true believer" kidology? I can't tell anymore > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
