[FairfieldLife] Re: Are Aliens too Distant for Contact?
--- jr_esq@... wrote : Yes, probably so, if the means of communication is through light or radio waves. As such, the speed of communication is limited by the speed of light. But it is theoretically possible to contact ETs through telepathic means or lucid dreaming. Why? Because consciousness pervades the entire universe. So, communication through consciousness is faster than the speed of light. IMO, the Srimad Bhagavatam has given us clues of this type of communication in the story relating to Urvasi, the heavenly apsara. She supposedly can be found taking a bath in the region near the Pleiades, which is placed in beginning degrees of Taurus. From my experience, everyone--perhaps, more so for males--can see Urvasi through lucid dreaming when the Moon is transiting the 3rd quarter of Krittika nakshatra. She appears as a beautiful female during a dream. Sorry to disappoint you, but the story of Urvasi is just a myth. These kind of myths exist in all cultures in history. What makes you take these stories literally? I know, Maharishi probably does. He is a goofball, and the original one, as far as the TM mov't is concerned. Yes, western religions are literalist, but not the eastern ones, with the exception of Hare Krishna mov't.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yes, Barry, there is no need to believe in God
--- anartaxius@... wrote: Not likely, but why pray? How is that going to change the situation as you perceive it? I do have a certain tolerance for Jim; unlike Barry, I do read some of his posts, though their usual brevity and emotional coarseness is a turn off. (Barry's emotional coarseness is also sometimes a turn off, but I do not perceive him to have a genuine attachment to it, so mostly it is just fun.) Compassion for Jim is not necessary, he is enlightened by his own account, therefore not in need of it. --- turquoiseb@... wrote : What he seems in need of is someone to obsess on. Namely me. I wrote him off and deprived him of an audience when he feels like yelling at someone and telling them how low they are and how high he is. Rather than live with that, I guess what Xeno is saying is that Jim keeps writing posts about how much he hates Barry *anyway*. If that's your idea of what enlightenment is, I wish you luck with it. To me, it makes it sound as if Jim is just another version of Steve and Ann and Willytex. Ignore any of them, and they obsess on you *more*, not less. --- awoelflebater@... wrote : Sorry dimwit. It is not because you ignore me (which you, unfortunately don't, you mention me all the time) but because your ideas and never-ending harping about the same things cries out to be addressed and corrected. It is because I disagree with you so much of the time and want to counterpoint your mistaken notions and conscious obsession with attributing false motives and characteristics to virtually everyone here - including the people you endorse. Face it bawee, people have a right to address your comments or you, for that matter, any time they bloody well please and it doesn't mean they'r obsessed with you or emotionally crushed because you ignore them. See, I had to correct you right now because, as usual, you're making up shit. Once, all that Bob Price pointed out is that, aquamarine is 'cobalt blue' and Uncle Tantra lashed out at him, by calling him a roach. How objective is that? He is as foul mouthed as anybody else here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama plan, and stuff...
No referendum was held in that territory. So how legal the UN partition plan would be. Secondly, the partition plan itself is haphazard. --- cardemaister@... wrote : Jerusalem has been the capital city of the Jewish People for the last 3,000 years. Still, Jerusalem warmly opens its arms to a variety of cultures and religions, and many Muslims and Christians call it home. Keep reading to the end of this email for the story on the architectal plans for the Third Temple. Nations Up in Arms Over Additional Housing in Jerusalem Neighborhood I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem. (Zechariah 12:2) Last week, the Jerusalem municipality announced the final approval for a building project that will add over 2,500 homes to Jerusalem's Givat Hamatos neighborhood. Although the plan was announced last week, it was put into play about two years ago. The United States, France and Germany criticized the move, seeing the growth of the neighborhood as endangering the two-state peace process, and calling for a reversal of the decision. This sentiment, of course, aligns with a dramatic universal shift toward the insistence that Jerusalem be divided so that it becomes the capital of an Arab state and the capital of a Jewish state. U.S. State Department spokesperson Jen Psaki said of the mixed Jewish-Arab neighborhood that its expansion would poison the atmosphere not only with the Palestinians, but also with the very Arab governments with which Prime Minister Netanyahu said he wanted to build relations. She also said that it called into question Israel’s ultimate commitment to a peaceful negotiated settlement with the Palestinians.” We condemn the Israeli authorities decision to build 2,610 homes in Givat Hamatos, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said in a statement. One cannot claim to support a solution and at the same time do things against without consequences being drawn, including at the European Union level, Fabius threatened. (JPost) Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected the condemnation, indicating that internationals had not learned the facts before responding. It’s worth learning the information properly before deciding to take a position like that, he said. The last phase of a building project is a statutory formality that does not require publicizing. Although the Givat Hamatos expansion was widely publicized two years ago during the first phase, its recent approval was again widely publicized by incendiary anti-settlement group Peace Now—leading to the condemnations. If this decision is upheld, it would mark the creation of a new settlement in east Jerusalem for the first time in more than 15 years, Fabius erroneously stated, disregarding the reality of the already existing, mixed-ethnicity neighborhood. Netanyahu reminded world leaders that Arabs in Jerusalem purchase homes freely in the west of the city and nobody says that’s forbidden. I don’t intend to tell Jews that they can’t buy homes in east Jerusalem, he said. Nevertheless, that is the very thing that the proposed two-state peace plan intends to accomplish—in addition to divvying up the rest of the Promised Land in a dangerous patchwork quilt of unworkable borders. The Obama plan would force Israel to give it all up, to divide Jerusalem, and return to indefensible borders. This would be a grave error, writes author Joel Rosenberg. It would severely jeopardize Israeli national security. It would do so in direct defiance of the Holy Scriptures. And it would draw the judgment of the Lord Almighty against the United States and all other countries involved in the process. As the world increasingly pressures Israel to return to the Israel-Jordan truce lines (aka the 1967 borders or Green Line) even though Jordan itself has renounced all claim to those lands, it becomes increasingly clear that key end-time prophecies concerning Israel and Jerusalem are being fulfilled. The prophet Joel, as one example, warns that God is not on board with plans to divide His land: I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will put them on trial for what they did to my inheritance, my people Israel, because they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land. (Joel 3:2) However, Yeshua (Jesus) reassures us that Believers who live in these last days should not fear, but eagerly await His return. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near. (Luke 21:28) snippendale
[FairfieldLife] Beetle Bailey - 113435
Beetle Bailey - 113435 http://www.thecomicstrips.com/properties/beetlebailey/art_images/cg53b61211c8a73.jpg http://www.thecomicstrips.com/properties/beetlebailey/art_images/cg53b61211c8a73.jpg http://www.thecomicstrips.com/properties/beetlebailey/art_images/cg53b61211c8a73.jpg http://www.thecomicstrips.com/properties/beetlebailey/art_... http://www.thecomicstrips.com/properties/beetlebailey/art_images/cg53b61211c8a73.jpg View on www.thecomicstrips.com http://www.thecomicstrips.com/properties/beetlebailey/art_images/cg53b61211c8a73.jpg Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Some of the embarrassing things believers pray to their God FOR
--- turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote: If this survey is anywhere near accurate, it looks to me as if believers (or American believers, anyway) are a bunch of hypocrites and slackers and vengeful psychopaths ---punditster@... wrote : Now this is funny - an American guy that believes in the Tibetan bardo, Buddhas and bodhisattvas, karma, reincarnation, Hindu siddhis (super-normal powers) - is a hypocrite, a slacker, and a vengeful psychopath - who once posted a message to the Yahoo group threatening to nuke a discussion terrorist. Go figure. Hypocrisy is the claim or pretense of holding beliefs that one does not in actual fact hold. It is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy As Steve pointed out, he does have some hallmarks of a 'classical theist', but he also has some characteristics of 'classical atheist'. IMO a contradiction. Basicaly, there are two types of theism, ie 'classical theism' and 'religious theism'. Basicaly, there are two types of atheism, ie 'classical atheism' and 'scientific atheism'. The 'classical atheism' is based on the following arguments, Theoretical argument :- The arguments against the existence of gods, responding to common theistic arguments such as the argument from design or Pascal's Wager. Epistemological argument :- Divinity is inseparable from the world itself, including a person's mind, and each person's consciousness is locked in the subject, this limitation in perspective prevents any objective inference from belief in a god to assertions of its existence. Metaphysical argument :- The implicit denial of God in all philosophies that, while they accept the existence of an absolute, conceive of the absolute as not possessing any of the attributes proper to God. Logical argument :- The various conceptions of gods, such as the personal god of Christianity, are ascribed logically inconsistent qualities.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Welcome back Pluto!
I don't understand this. If pluto is just 3 pixels wide on Hubble, how much pixels distant stars would have? They should have a new category called plutoids. --- anartaxius@... wrote : Even the photo from Hubble is not a straight photograph, it is a composite of many exposures over various times assembled by a computer program making a map of colour and brightness variations on the surface which was then mapped onto a sphere. The diameter of Pluto is so small seen from Earth that a single images shows basically no detail at all. Pluto does have a rotation period and the scientists managed to use that as an aid in reconstruction its surface features. Pluto is less than 3 pixels wide in the Hubble telescope. This is just enough information to tell there is some brightness variation on the surface. So a direct picture of Pluto would be a grid just 3x3 pixels wide, nine potential points of difference. Pluto has five moons, Charon, Nix, Hydra, P4 and P5 as they are currently named. (You have to watch out for P5, it has very important astrological significance.) --- salyavin...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Hah, I realised that photo was a mock up two seconds after posting the link. Next time I watch the video first! But it's good that we have the mystery of a new planet to look forward to, it's been a long time since there was a discovery we could wonder over. I remember how the world stopped in its tracks when the Voyager pictures of Jupiter were published. It's good when something draws our attention away into space like that, gives a much needed sense of perspective. Maybe Pluto won't be so exciting but it will still be a glimpse into the universe we haven't had before. The last bit of science to get excited about was a hard task for everyone, the Higgs Boson was entirely conceptual to us average Joe's, the most amazing thing was the lengths they went to to find it at all! --- anartaxius@... wrote : New Horizons just crossed the orbit of Neptune. It then will go into hibernation for 99 days. The photo is a painting or a digital painting, an artist's rendition of what they think it will be like. Right now Neptune is imaged as just a few pixels, Pluto is just a single pixel. It's still 284 days away from closest approach. The colour of Pluto and some of its surface variations have been photographed by Hubble but the image is very blurry to say the most even with extensive computer processing. We have no idea yet what its surface features are like in any detail. Here is the Hubble image, currently the best we have until New Horizons passes Pluto about the middle of next year: http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/files/2010/02/image.jpg http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/files/2010/02/image.jpg http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/files/2010/02/image.jpg http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/files/2010/02/image.jpg View on scienceblogs.com http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/files/2010/02/image.jpg Preview by Yahoo This Hubble image of Pluto is technically equivalent to photographing an air gun BB from a distance of 9.4km, or an American quarter dollar coin from 51km. New Horizons will have to get pretty close to Pluto before it can image it better than this Hubble image. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Jyotish only uses the visible planets not the outer ones. I guess they'd have to, not knowing about the others. It's tropical astrology that wants not only to use Pluto but asteroids as well. That makes even less sense, nobody knows exactly what is out there so if you think a horoscope makes sense and then someone discovers something else you can't have been right in the first place. But I guess the ice people of Plutoria must want a vote on this. ;-) It must be up to our solar system brothers. Looks like we'll be doing a flyby real soon. That cool photo was taken by NASA's New Horizons probe, which is well on it's way. Travelling at one million miles a day it still has 8 months before closest approach! I look forward to that muchly: NASA'-s New Horizons Spacecraft Near Pluto | Alternative http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/01/nasa-s-new-horizons-spacecraft-near-pluto-2878650.html http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/01/nasa-s-new-horizons-spacecraft-near-pluto-2878650.html NASA'-s New Horizons Spacecraft Near Pluto | Alt... http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/01/nasa-s-new-horizons-spacecraft-near-pluto-2878650.html One of the fastest spacecraft ever built, NASA´s New Horizons, is hurtling through the void at nearly one million miles per day. Launched in 2006, it has been in fl... View on beforeitsnews.com http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/01/nasa-s-new-horizons-spacecraft-near-pluto-2878650.html Preview by Yahoo On
[FairfieldLife] Re: Photo series shows how we see people in our minds vs. how they really are
Steve, subjective experiences don't necessarily reflect objective reality. Recent researches on brain shows that human memory itself is extremely unreliable. Even dreams are subjective experiences, and they dont reflect reality. Mind altering substances including alcohol, all give you experiences that are imaginary. Subjective experiences has to be corroborated with objective reality and only the scientific methodlogy can do that. --- steve.sundur@... wrote : Makes sense Sal, except you appear to be the guy who would doubt his actual experience of something if it didn't adhere to some tenant of your scientific beliefs. Unfortunately if often makes you look foolish, and dogmatic, not to mention omniscient. --- turquoi...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, House was full of great one-liners, most of them spoken by Hugh Laurie. His character was the ultimate rational man trying to get by in a world full of irrational people. What I love, trying to lay low and allow this tempest in a pisspot to work itself out without me, is that a few people here claiming to be all faux-outraged that Michael is insulting their religion (TM) are the *same* people who, any other day, would be claiming that TM is *not* a religion and could never be construed to be. :-) I know, and the abuse we rationalists get! If I gave a damn it might annoy me but I don't even notice, I think that to be annoyed at someone criticising your beliefs you have to be worried about their validity but relying on them for a sense of yourself. I think this is why British Muslims wanted the blasphemy law extended to Islam rather having it scrapped altogether like the rest of the country did - The reasonable majority anyway - If your beliefs are protected you don't have to worry about whether they are true. Then the Christians said that if Muslims can get what they want by whining and protesting, they were going to do it too. But something in the English national consciousness told them it wasn't really the done thing and they went back to village fetes and tea on the vicarage lawn which is all the religion the rest of us can cope with. Better to abandon beliefs and stick to the known and the unknown and all the various shades between the two. And know that all knowledge is patterns that either correspond to reality or they don't, so get ready to change them every now and again. Not much of a rallying call though... Me, I'm still of the opinion that the moment *anyone, anywhere* allows something that someone has said about his or her beliefs to get to them and make them all angry and outraged, they LOSE, for two reasons. First, by reacting that strongly in the first place, they have *proved* themselves to be religious fanatics who are pretty seriously attached to the dogma and beliefs that have been taught to them. Second, by trying to silence those saying the things they don't like, they have *proved* themselves to be fundamentalist, oppressive religious fanatics, willing to harm others for the sin of (wait for it) not taking them seriously. Insanity. So IMO during this latest kerfuffle Jedi was just being an annoying Internet troll by trolling religious fanatic Jews. Dan, on the other hand, was trying to be a dictatorial bastard by trying to threaten Rick for not silencing him. Jedi was merely willing to diss religious fanatics. Dan was being *such* a dictatorial bastard that he was willing to try to get Yahoo to censure Fairfield Life or take it down because people on it were saying some things he didn't like. *That*, I am pretty sure, is what pushed Rick to act. In his own sick, twisted way, Dan was trying to do exactly the same thing that other asshole from the past was doing when he posted porn to FFL and then reported it to Yahoo, again in an attempt to get it taken down, and again for the same reason -- he didn't like what some people were saying about things he was attached to. Jedi was merely expressing his opinion, no matter how crudely or stupidly. Dan was trying to force other people to do what *he* wanted them to do. Given a choice, I'd rather live with foul-mouthed critics like Jedi than live with the insane people like Dan. But Rick made the wisdom of Solomon choice and got rid of BOTH of them. Win-win. Congratulations, Rick. Jedi was definitely in a funny mood recently, really uncompromising. Maybe he was just having a bad week, I'd never noticed such vehemence in him before. Losing Dan just means there's one less tedious git to scroll past, which might save Rick some money on my eventual RSI lawsuit ;-) Gregory House On Religion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwhqhqBtbo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwhqhqBtbo Gregory House On Religion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwhqhqBtbo View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwhqhqBtbo Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Thanks feste37 and willytex
Thanks feste and willytex. Rick reinstated me. A distinction should be made between a religion and it's community. Criticising a religion is impersonal. Criticising a community is personal. I joined FFL more that 10 years ago. I did learn a lot from this forum. It seems Barry and Jim are unhappy with my postings. Should I continue to interact with you folks? --- feste37@... wrote : I think that both Dan and jedi should be reinstated, since they were unjustly removed. But also, I think Dan should drop his ridiculous complaint to the ADL, which has no substance and is a waste of their time. I suggest that if anyone wants the best commentary on this incident he or she should read the posts of Richard J. Williams, since every one of them is spot-on in its analysis. --- fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Dan obviously enjoyed his righteous indignation, but it gave him a blind spot you could fly a 747 through. His grammar and writing, in general, was atrocious, which always sends up a flag, for me, since I doubt very much he was that sloppy with his superiors, during his career. Same as people who, despite being punctual for work, cannot show up on time, socially. An arrogant attitude, masking as casualness. Pretty average fellow, overall, despite his need to have us think otherwise. All the best to him. --- punditster@... wrote: The Jedi already had received a warning from Rick, but before Jedi could post a response, Rick banned him. The moderator should at least give the guy a chance to post a rebuttal if he is being falsely accused. Somehow Rick convicted Jedi as guilty of posting anti-Semitism when the Jedi was just posting an opinion of the Torah. Go figure. The key word in the first sentence of Dan's message to Rick is rampant anti-Semtism. Rick already agreed that the message in this case was anti-Semitic. So, now the question is to what extent is FFL rampantly anti-Semitic, or is this just an isolated case? So, why would that be cause to ban the jedi_spock? Rick already posted a warning to the jedi_spock. It looks like the jedi_spock was punished twice. Go figure. Rick failed as a fair and balanced moderator. And since Rick deleted the offending file it now looks like a coverup. It's like a secret trial and execution without a trial by a dictator who got everything wrong from the beginning --- feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Booting off jedi for what appears merely to be expressing a view of Judaism seems absurd to me. It has often been said that the God of the Old Testament is, shall we say, a less than attractive character: jealous, vindictive, vengeful, cruel. That's not anti-Semitism. It's mere literary criticism. Yet on this board Little Mickey Jackson is allowed to spew forth his hate speech against MMY and the TMO every single day, full of crude insults and libelous accusations—and that's considered perfectly okay. There are some very curious double standards operating here. --- punditster@... wrote: It looks like the forum has lost it's moral compass and without Judy to moderate, the group has fallen further into disrepute. To make matters worse, now the apparent victim has been banned too. Obviously there's some prejudice when a religious belief can't even be discussed. This all could have been settled with just a few words in a private email or two. It looks like attention has been called to the rampant anti-Semitism and libelous accusations posted to the FFL forum - and now the cover-up with the deletion of the offending message. While the informants get to continue posting their negative propaganda and gender bias. That's one solution - stone the victim complaining; remove the offending message; and then ban the informant so he can't post a rebuttal. Go figure. Bhairitu The semitic race includes Arabs, so if we blast Saudi Arabia are we being anti-semitics? And someone said to bash Zionism is being anti-Jewish. That's like saying all Christians are Republicans. Zionists are a right wing political faction. As far as Dan goes I had him in my Dangeon anyway for being an abusive poster and only replied to comments he started indirectly about TV or movies. --- Duveyoung@... wrote: Let's face it, Rick is being practical. The Jews are very aggressive about any antisemitism and could get someone at Yahoo freaked enough to close FFL down. It may not be right to surrender, but it does avoid the danger not yet come. If Yahoo closed FFL, the lost would be significant, but if Rick bans antisemitism, the lost to the world's ability to have free speech would be hardly noticed. An easy call for Rick, methinks. Now if the various communities around the world got as aggressively defensive, hoo boy, who could then say anything about anything? Think of all the downtrodden folks who could equally claim the world has smacked them as badly as were
