Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: House on Obamacare!
A kind of Stalinist redistribution of wealth? Instead of grinding anyone down, why not lift up the poor? My idea is to let everyone get rich so there are no poor people - anyone should be able to earn as much money as they want to - free market enterprise. On 10/20/2013 9:37 PM, Bhairitu wrote: I think Lenin meant the elite rich when he was talking about the bourgeoisie because Russians had become so oppressed that everyone else (the proletariat) were simple laborers. We don't quite have that (yet) in the US. The class struggle in the US is the small number of the elite rich who have hoarded most of the wealth and are trying to destroy the middle class to turn them into the proletariat. Fine with me and a lot of other middle class folks if we grind the bourgeoisie (the obscenely rich) down. And you lived in the Eastern Block, correct? IOW, a failed version of socialism. On 10/20/2013 06:06 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation. http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/v/vladimirle125951.html Vladimir Lenin http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/v/vladimirle125951.html ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote: It's meant to be a flop. This is just a transitional stage to a single payer health care system. Think *incremental-ism*. We're heading towards *equality for all*. We'll all have a share in mediocrity, which will constantly be defined down. If I can't have what you have, I'll make sure you can't have it either. We're not evolving, we're devolving, just like the Soviet Union did. Soon, government will dictate the *ideal* life span. If your genes take you beyond that, then that's not fair and government will have to remedy that.If your genes fail to get you to that ideal point then you'll get extra help to get you there, at other's expense. Now that's fair, isn't it? *From:* Richard J. Williams punditster@... *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:35 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare! There is one thing we can say about Obama care - it’s a disaster. ...2½ weeks after the launch of the “exchanges” that are supposed to be ObamaCare’s operational centerpiece, it is clear to almost everyone that they are an administrative disaster. In this crisis, there is an opportunity: to recognize an impending economic and humanitarian disaster, and to act in time to avert or at least minimize it. James Tarranto: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303680404579143462696720716?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion Four Things We Think We Know About Obamacare: 1. You have until March 31 to buy health insurance. 2. The penalty for being uninsured next year is $95. 3. If the exchanges don’t work, as a last resort, we can always get people signed up through call centers. 4. The state exchanges are doing fine. Megan McArdle: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-18/four-things-we-think-we-know-about-obamacare.html On 10/20/2013 3:02 AM, cardemaister@... mailto:cardemaister@... wrote: http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/obamacare-failures-as-told-by-dr-house
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: House on Obamacare!
Stalin invented redistribution of wealth? He was crazy dictator. What part of failed version of socialism did you not understand? Go look at some of the Scandinavian countries instead. Why can't we lift up the poor? Lack of resources. Beside Americans lived a phony dream of wealth by putting themselves excessively in debt. And aren't you contradicting yourself? You've been talking about the rent is too damn high, cutting the cable and cheap entertainment alternatives. Seems to me you are trying to simplify your life. Don't you think the Koch brothers are a bit mentally ill when they say they don't have enough money? Maybe they're testing the waters to see how stupid Americans can be. We talk about the minimum wage, how about a maximum wage. Nobody is a magic person so why do they pay company CEOs so much? Either that or you are living in a fantasy land of dukes and duchesses who peasant Willy bows down to. On 10/21/2013 07:12 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: A kind of Stalinist redistribution of wealth? Instead of grinding anyone down, why not lift up the poor? My idea is to let everyone get rich so there are no poor people - anyone should be able to earn as much money as they want to - free market enterprise. On 10/20/2013 9:37 PM, Bhairitu wrote: I think Lenin meant the elite rich when he was talking about the bourgeoisie because Russians had become so oppressed that everyone else (the proletariat) were simple laborers. We don't quite have that (yet) in the US. The class struggle in the US is the small number of the elite rich who have hoarded most of the wealth and are trying to destroy the middle class to turn them into the proletariat. Fine with me and a lot of other middle class folks if we grind the bourgeoisie (the obscenely rich) down. And you lived in the Eastern Block, correct? IOW, a failed version of socialism. On 10/20/2013 06:06 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation. http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/v/vladimirle125951.html Vladimir Lenin http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/v/vladimirle125951.html ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote: It's meant to be a flop. This is just a transitional stage to a single payer health care system. Think *incremental-ism*. We're heading towards *equality for all*. We'll all have a share in mediocrity, which will constantly be defined down. If I can't have what you have, I'll make sure you can't have it either. We're not evolving, we're devolving, just like the Soviet Union did. Soon, government will dictate the *ideal* life span. If your genes take you beyond that, then that's not fair and government will have to remedy that.If your genes fail to get you to that ideal point then you'll get extra help to get you there, at other's expense. Now that's fair, isn't it? *From:* Richard J. Williams punditster@... *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:35 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare! There is one thing we can say about Obama care - it’s a disaster. ...2½ weeks after the launch of the “exchanges” that are supposed to be ObamaCare’s operational centerpiece, it is clear to almost everyone that they are an administrative disaster. In this crisis, there is an opportunity: to recognize an impending economic and humanitarian disaster, and to act in time to avert or at least minimize it. James Tarranto: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303680404579143462696720716?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion Four Things We Think We Know About Obamacare: 1. You have until March 31 to buy health insurance. 2. The penalty for being uninsured next year is $95. 3. If the exchanges don’t work, as a last resort, we can always get people signed up through call centers. 4. The state exchanges are doing fine. Megan McArdle: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-18/four-things-we-think-we-know-about-obamacare.html On 10/20/2013 3:02 AM, cardemaister@... mailto:cardemaister@... wrote: http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/obamacare-failures-as-told-by-dr-house
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: House on Obamacare!
When someone who is super rich says that they don't have enough money, that doesn't seem just mentally ill to me, that seems criminally insane! On Monday, October 21, 2013 10:51 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Stalin invented redistribution of wealth? He was crazy dictator. What part of failed version of socialism did you not understand? Go look at some of the Scandinavian countries instead. Why can't we lift up the poor? Lack of resources. Beside Americans lived a phony dream of wealth by putting themselves excessively in debt. And aren't you contradicting yourself? You've been talking about the rent is too damn high, cutting the cable and cheap entertainment alternatives. Seems to me you are trying to simplify your life. Don't you think the Koch brothers are a bit mentally ill when they say they don't have enough money? Maybe they're testing the waters to see how stupid Americans can be. We talk about the minimum wage, how about a maximum wage. Nobody is a magic person so why do they pay company CEOs so much? Either that or you are living in a fantasy land of dukes and duchesses who peasant Willy bows down to. On 10/21/2013 07:12 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: A kind of Stalinist redistribution of wealth? Instead of grinding anyone down, why not lift up the poor? My idea is to let everyone get rich so there are no poor people - anyone should be able to earn as much money as they want to - free market enterprise. On 10/20/2013 9:37 PM, Bhairitu wrote: I think Lenin meant the elite rich when he was talking about the bourgeoisie because Russians had become so oppressed that everyone else (the proletariat) were simple laborers. We don't quite have that (yet) in the US. The class struggle in the US is the small number of the elite rich who have hoarded most of the wealth and are trying to destroy the middle class to turn them into the proletariat. Fine with me and a lot of other middle class folks if we grind the bourgeoisie (the obscenely rich) down. And you lived in the Eastern Block, correct? IOW, a failed version of socialism. On 10/20/2013 06:06 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation. Vladimir Lenin ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote: It's meant to be a flop. This is just a transitional stage to a single payer health care system. Think *incremental-ism*. We're heading towards *equality for all*. We'll all have a share in mediocrity, which will constantly be defined down. If I can't have what you have, I'll make sure you can't have it either. We're not evolving, we're devolving, just like the Soviet Union did. Soon, government will dictate the *ideal* life span. If your genes take you beyond that, then that's not fair and government will have to remedy that.If your genes fail to get you to that ideal point then you'll get extra help to get you there, at other's expense. Now that's fair, isn't it? From: Richard J. Williams punditster@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare! There is one thing we can say about Obama care - it’s a disaster. ...2½ weeks after the launch of the “exchanges” that are supposed to be ObamaCare’s operational centerpiece, it is clear to almost everyone that they are an administrative disaster. In this crisis, there is an opportunity: to recognize an impending economic and humanitarian disaster, and to act in time to avert or at least minimize it. James Tarranto: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303680404579143462696720716?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion Four Things We Think We Know About Obamacare: 1. You have until March 31 to buy health insurance. 2. The penalty for being uninsured next year is $95. 3. If the exchanges don’t work, as a last resort, we can always get people signed up through call centers. 4. The state exchanges are doing fine. Megan McArdle: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-18/four-things-we-think-we-know-about-obamacare.html On 10/20/2013 3:02 AM, cardemaister@... wrote: http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/obamacare-failures-as-told-by-dr-house
[FairfieldLife] RE: House on Obamacare!
The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation. Vladimir Lenin ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote: It's meant to be a flop. This is just a transitional stage to a single payer health care system. Think *incremental-ism*. We're heading towards *equality for all*. We'll all have a share in mediocrity, which will constantly be defined down. If I can't have what you have, I'll make sure you can't have it either. We're not evolving, we're devolving, just like the Soviet Union did. Soon, government will dictate the *ideal* life span. If your genes take you beyond that, then that's not fair and government will have to remedy that.If your genes fail to get you to that ideal point then you'll get extra help to get you there, at other's expense. Now that's fair, isn't it? From: Richard J. Williams punditster@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare! There is one thing we can say about Obama care - it’s a disaster. ...2½ weeks after the launch of the “exchanges” that are supposed to be ObamaCare’s operational centerpiece, it is clear to almost everyone that they are an administrative disaster. In this crisis, there is an opportunity: to recognize an impending economic and humanitarian disaster, and to act in time to avert or at least minimize it. James Tarranto: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303680404579143462696720716?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion Four Things We Think We Know About Obamacare: 1. You have until March 31 to buy health insurance. 2. The penalty for being uninsured next year is $95. 3. If the exchanges don’t work, as a last resort, we can always get people signed up through call centers. 4. The state exchanges are doing fine. Megan McArdle: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-18/four-things-we-think-we-know-about-obamacare.html On 10/20/2013 3:02 AM, cardemaister@... mailto:cardemaister@... wrote: http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/obamacare-failures-as-told-by-dr-house
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: House on Obamacare!
I think Lenin meant the elite rich when he was talking about the bourgeoisie because Russians had become so oppressed that everyone else (the proletariat) were simple laborers. We don't quite have that (yet) in the US. The class struggle in the US is the small number of the elite rich who have hoarded most of the wealth and are trying to destroy the middle class to turn them into the proletariat. Fine with me and a lot of other middle class folks if we grind the bourgeoisie (the obscenely rich) down. And you lived in the Eastern Block, correct? IOW, a failed version of socialism. On 10/20/2013 06:06 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation. http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/v/vladimirle125951.html Vladimir Lenin http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/v/vladimirle125951.html ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote: It's meant to be a flop. This is just a transitional stage to a single payer health care system. Think *incremental-ism*. We're heading towards *equality for all*. We'll all have a share in mediocrity, which will constantly be defined down. If I can't have what you have, I'll make sure you can't have it either. We're not evolving, we're devolving, just like the Soviet Union did. Soon, government will dictate the *ideal* life span. If your genes take you beyond that, then that's not fair and government will have to remedy that.If your genes fail to get you to that ideal point then you'll get extra help to get you there, at other's expense. Now that's fair, isn't it? *From:* Richard J. Williams punditster@... *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:35 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare! There is one thing we can say about Obama care - it’s a disaster. ...2½ weeks after the launch of the “exchanges” that are supposed to be ObamaCare’s operational centerpiece, it is clear to almost everyone that they are an administrative disaster. In this crisis, there is an opportunity: to recognize an impending economic and humanitarian disaster, and to act in time to avert or at least minimize it. James Tarranto: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303680404579143462696720716?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion Four Things We Think We Know About Obamacare: 1. You have until March 31 to buy health insurance. 2. The penalty for being uninsured next year is $95. 3. If the exchanges don’t work, as a last resort, we can always get people signed up through call centers. 4. The state exchanges are doing fine. Megan McArdle: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-18/four-things-we-think-we-know-about-obamacare.html On 10/20/2013 3:02 AM, cardemaister@... mailto:cardemaister@... wrote: http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/obamacare-failures-as-told-by-dr-house
