[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'

2007-02-08 Thread Dave
But, hey, we're not a religion!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi praises the Vedic Pandits of 
India 
> for their profound awakening of Total Natural Law
> by Global Good News staff writer
> 
> Global Good News
> 7 February 2007
> 
> In a recent global celebration, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi praised the 
> Vedic Pandits in India who had performed a Vedic Yagya as part of 
the 
> awakening of all the impulses of silence and dynamism present 
> throughout creation. 
> 
> Maharishi explained that these two enormous fields of intelligence—
> the field of silence pertaining to knowledge, and the field of 
> dynamism pertaining to action—had been awakened by the Vedic 
Pandits, 
> and that they had done a marvelous job in arousing of the power of 
> the unmanifest field of eternal silence, Total Natural Law—or in 
the 
> English language, Maharishi said, 'the Will of God'. 
> 
> 'It's the Will of God that is the Administrator of the universe,' 
> Maharishi said. 'The whole galactic universe is very well known to 
be 
> an ever-expanding universe. From where does this ever-expanding 
> energy and intelligence come?' Maharishi asked. 'It is expanding 
> everything in all directions, in such variety of expansion, of 
> infinity—unboundedness—from where does this come?' 
> 
> 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality,' Maharishi 
said, 'the 
> unmanifest, the nature of the transcendental field—Cosmic 
> Intelligence, which administers the universe most silently and most 
> naturally with perfect order' 
> 
> 'It is the nature of Natural Law, the nature of life, the nature of 
> Self, the nature of the cosmic Self—and individual nature has as 
its 
> potential this cosmic nature.' 
> 
> For more information about Maharishi's Vedic Science and 
Technology, 
> visit: www.vedicknowledge.com/ and maharishi-
> programmes.globalgoodnews.com. 
> 
> For more information about Maharishi Yagyas, visit: 
> www.maharishitm.org/jyotish/yagya. 
> 
> Copyright © 2007 Global Good News(sm) Service
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'

2007-02-08 Thread Dave
But, hey, we're not a religion!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi praises the Vedic Pandits of 
India 
> for their profound awakening of Total Natural Law
> by Global Good News staff writer
> 
> Global Good News
> 7 February 2007
> 
> In a recent global celebration, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi praised the 
> Vedic Pandits in India who had performed a Vedic Yagya as part of 
the 
> awakening of all the impulses of silence and dynamism present 
> throughout creation. 
> 
> Maharishi explained that these two enormous fields of intelligence—
> the field of silence pertaining to knowledge, and the field of 
> dynamism pertaining to action—had been awakened by the Vedic 
Pandits, 
> and that they had done a marvelous job in arousing of the power of 
> the unmanifest field of eternal silence, Total Natural Law—or in 
the 
> English language, Maharishi said, 'the Will of God'. 
> 
> 'It's the Will of God that is the Administrator of the universe,' 
> Maharishi said. 'The whole galactic universe is very well known to 
be 
> an ever-expanding universe. From where does this ever-expanding 
> energy and intelligence come?' Maharishi asked. 'It is expanding 
> everything in all directions, in such variety of expansion, of 
> infinity—unboundedness—from where does this come?' 
> 
> 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality,' Maharishi 
said, 'the 
> unmanifest, the nature of the transcendental field—Cosmic 
> Intelligence, which administers the universe most silently and most 
> naturally with perfect order' 
> 
> 'It is the nature of Natural Law, the nature of life, the nature of 
> Self, the nature of the cosmic Self—and individual nature has as 
its 
> potential this cosmic nature.' 
> 
> For more information about Maharishi's Vedic Science and 
Technology, 
> visit: www.vedicknowledge.com/ and maharishi-
> programmes.globalgoodnews.com. 
> 
> For more information about Maharishi Yagyas, visit: 
> www.maharishitm.org/jyotish/yagya. 
> 
> Copyright © 2007 Global Good News(sm) Service
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'

2007-02-08 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> But, hey, we're not a religion!
> 

TM isn't a religion. It's a technique. However, if you buy into everything MMY 
says, without 
question, then of course it is a religion. Relatively few people moe to 
Fairfield, Iowa unless 
thy've bought into a HUGE portion of MMY's rhetori,c without question. How much 
unquestioningness (tm) is required for their naivite to become a religion?

THAT is the question.

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> >
> > His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi praises the Vedic Pandits of 
> India 
> > for their profound awakening of Total Natural Law
> > by Global Good News staff writer
> > 
> > Global Good News
> > 7 February 2007
> > 
> > In a recent global celebration, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi praised the 
> > Vedic Pandits in India who had performed a Vedic Yagya as part of 
> the 
> > awakening of all the impulses of silence and dynamism present 
> > throughout creation. 
> > 
> > Maharishi explained that these two enormous fields of intelligence—
> > the field of silence pertaining to knowledge, and the field of 
> > dynamism pertaining to action—had been awakened by the Vedic 
> Pandits, 
> > and that they had done a marvelous job in arousing of the power of 
> > the unmanifest field of eternal silence, Total Natural Law—or in 
> the 
> > English language, Maharishi said, 'the Will of God'. 
> > 
> > 'It's the Will of God that is the Administrator of the universe,' 
> > Maharishi said. 'The whole galactic universe is very well known to 
> be 
> > an ever-expanding universe. From where does this ever-expanding 
> > energy and intelligence come?' Maharishi asked. 'It is expanding 
> > everything in all directions, in such variety of expansion, of 
> > infinity—unboundedness—from where does this come?' 
> > 
> > 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality,' Maharishi 
> said, 'the 
> > unmanifest, the nature of the transcendental field—Cosmic 
> > Intelligence, which administers the universe most silently and most 
> > naturally with perfect order' 
> > 
> > 'It is the nature of Natural Law, the nature of life, the nature of 
> > Self, the nature of the cosmic Self—and individual nature has as 
> its 
> > potential this cosmic nature.' 
> > 
> > For more information about Maharishi's Vedic Science and 
> Technology, 
> > visit: www.vedicknowledge.com/ and maharishi-
> > programmes.globalgoodnews.com. 
> > 
> > For more information about Maharishi Yagyas, visit: 
> > www.maharishitm.org/jyotish/yagya. 
> > 
> > Copyright © 2007 Global Good News(sm) Service
> >
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'

2007-02-08 Thread peterklutz

You mentioned "the Will of God." 

Nature often takes the path of least resistance.

The "Dome totals" include several groups in different locations spread
out over a couple of square miles in Fairfield.

The upside of creating your own group there actually might improve the
quality of your program.

The air in the men's Dome is a spiritual version of the Nazi gas
chambers. They will remain so until someone installs several
industrial strength ventilators and makes it mandatory for visitors to
have a thorough shower before the program and wear only clean
clothing. Then there is all the coughing, farting, sneezing, and
walking about - end what else the Hell is going on in there..


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> MMY should expand the awareness of the department for the
development of  
> consciousness so Sidha's can
> fly in the dome who practice and teach astrology, yoga, meditation
other  
> than his own system. Maharishi has done so many great things as a
very wise  
> teacher but he has failed to protect his children when they
> needed him. Charlie Lutes was kicked off of the administrative board
when  he 
> started his spiritual lectures. From then on Maharishi never stepped
in to  
> kick Bevan Morris in the ass and train him to have a more expanded
awareness so 
>  he could accomplish the ME 20 years ago. All of the violence in the
world is 
> a  by-product of not accomplishing the ME sooner. I was personally
told over 
> the  phone and face to face with
> the co-director of this dept that i was not allowed in the dome
because of  
> my website. Also, form my own spiritual advisors-they tell me that
Maharishi is 
>  not handing down these conservative guidelines and that he is too
tired to  
> change it. Well, part of me see's his point of view. But some of his
children  
> are being forgotten. And, some of these children are very serious
about their 
>  program and about world affairs which is spinning out of control.
Who cares  
> about more discussion regarding ultimate reality. I care about the
world  and 
> the Sidha's and meditators who have been told they cannot
participate in MMY  
> programs because of strick guidelines. While many are lying to get
into the 
> dome  who have violated the guidelines. Dishonesty is everywhere in MMY 
> organization.  The will of God should express itself on the
conscious level in a more 
>  intelligent and responsible manner. Telling people they can't fly
in the 
> group  because they hugged Amachi or received darshan from another
saint is so  
> arrogant. No other saint or organization has ever turned me away
because I  
> practice TM or TM-Sidhi's!!!. I hear you MMY, now get out your sword
of truth  
> that you have been dragging behind you and fight like Arjuna. Or
maybe you are  
> the greatest meditation teacher but lake the spiritual courage to
change the  
> ignorance that exists in some of the departments of your
organization. I don't 
>  mean to bore the audience here. I just need to get this off of my
chest  
> sometimes because MMY or the top Supreme Council of Intelligence
could care less  
> about how we feel. They have their agenda and its final.
Unfortunately it is 
> not  the agenda of God or the ultimate reality. It is an agenda of
great EGO 
> power.  The kind of power that seems justified to accommodate itself
under the 
> idea of "  We are protecting the purity of the teaching". And while
the world 
> blows up they  still feel justified with their spiritually immature
attitude. 
> Love and Light.  Lou (Pantanjali) Valentino P.S. Since we have
someone who 
> promotes Benjamin  Creams website everyday on this forum I feel
justified to 
> include my website. _Astrological Varieties_
(http://www.yogavisionaries.com/)
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'

2007-02-08 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> MMY should expand the awareness of the department for the 
development of  
> consciousness so Sidha's can
> fly in the dome who practice and teach astrology, yoga, meditation 
other  
> than his own system. Maharishi has done so many great things as a 
very wise  
> teacher but he has failed to protect his children when they
> needed him. Charlie Lutes was kicked off of the administrative 
board when  he 
> started his spiritual lectures. From then on Maharishi never 
stepped in to  
> kick Bevan Morris in the ass and train him to have a more expanded 
awareness so 
>  he could accomplish the ME 20 years ago. All of the violence in 
the world is 
> a  by-product of not accomplishing the ME sooner. I was personally 
told over 
> the  phone and face to face with
> the co-director of this dept that i was not allowed in the dome 
because of  
> my website. Also, form my own spiritual advisors-they tell me that 
Maharishi is 
>  not handing down these conservative guidelines and that he is too 
tired to  
> change it. Well, part of me see's his point of view. But some of 
his children  
> are being forgotten. And, some of these children are very serious 
about their 
>  program and about world affairs which is spinning out of control. 
Who cares  
> about more discussion regarding ultimate reality. I care about the 
world  and 
> the Sidha's and meditators who have been told they cannot 
participate in MMY  
> programs because of strick guidelines. While many are lying to get 
into the 
> dome  who have violated the guidelines. Dishonesty is everywhere 
in MMY 
> organization.  The will of God should express itself on the 
conscious level in a more 
>  intelligent and responsible manner. Telling people they can't fly 
in the 
> group  because they hugged Amachi or received darshan from another 
saint is so  
> arrogant. No other saint or organization has ever turned me away 
because I  
> practice TM or TM-Sidhi's!!!. I hear you MMY, now get out your 
sword of truth  
> that you have been dragging behind you and fight like Arjuna. Or 
maybe you are  
> the greatest meditation teacher but lake the spiritual courage to 
change the  
> ignorance that exists in some of the departments of your 
organization. I don't 
>  mean to bore the audience here. I just need to get this off of my 
chest  
> sometimes because MMY or the top Supreme Council of Intelligence 
could care less  
> about how we feel. They have their agenda and its final. 
Unfortunately it is 
> not  the agenda of God or the ultimate reality. It is an agenda of 
great EGO 
> power.  The kind of power that seems justified to accommodate 
itself under the 
> idea of "  We are protecting the purity of the teaching". And 
while the world 
> blows up they  still feel justified with their spiritually 
immature attitude. 
> Love and Light.  Lou (Pantanjali) Valentino P.S. Since we have 
someone who 
> promotes Benjamin  Creams website everyday on this forum I feel 
justified to 
> include my website. _Astrological Varieties_ 
(http://www.yogavisionaries.com/)
>
With all respect, you sound like a lion complaining that he can't 
get into a hamster cage. Why insist that you must be allowed to be 
dependent on someone else? Set yourself free of this illusory need. 
Be your Self. By your Self. :-)



[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'

2007-02-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> With all respect, you sound like a lion complaining that he can't 
> get into a hamster cage. Why insist that you must be allowed to be 
> dependent on someone else? Set yourself free of this illusory need. 
> Be your Self. By your Self. :-)

"O Seeker!
Rely on nothing
until you want nothing."

-- Dhammapada, The Sayings of the Buddha





[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'

2007-02-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The master and the servant in a spiritual relationship are identical.
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> Not to mention perpetuating duality by embracing
> the power differential and knowledge differential
> implicit in the master-disciple relationship. All
> realized beings are equal. All students are equal
> to their realized teachers. But it's only when
> they realize this that they become realized.

"Just remain in the center, watching. And then 
forget that you are there."

-- Lao-tzu





[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'

2007-02-09 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
wrote:
> >
> > With all respect, you sound like a lion complaining that he can't 
> > get into a hamster cage. Why insist that you must be allowed to be 
> > dependent on someone else? Set yourself free of this illusory 
need. 
> > Be your Self. By your Self. :-)
> 
> "O Seeker!
> Rely on nothing
> until you want nothing."
> 
> -- Dhammapada, The Sayings of the Buddha
>
To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, if you've seen one Buddha, you've 
seen 'em all...:-)



[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'

2007-02-09 Thread curtisdeltablues
"I will be happy to express my own version of the ME with other
meditation techniques when MMY passes over in July or August of this
year."

Note in DayTimer for end of August:

If MMY is still fogging a mirror held under his nose on the last day
of August, accept Lou's apology on FFL for posing as a person with
magical predictive powers.

If MMY fails to fog the mirror on that day post an apology on FFL for
doubting Lou's predictive powers and email him a list of horses
running the next week with a mutually beneficial business proposal.

P.S. to my future self:  If you haven't dropped that last ten pounds
by then you have seen your last Terra Chip dipped in guacamole washed
down with a Corona and lime dude!




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I still haven't figured out how to respond directly through this
forum.  Give 
> me some time and I will figure it out.
> Sorry for this. I will get over the MMY TMO stuff. The reaction from
the  
> audience tells me that it is a waste of time and I agree to not
further discuss  
> the fundamentalism of the TMO. I will be happy to express my own
version of 
> the  ME with other meditation techniques when MMY passes over in
July or August 
> of  this year. All meditators will be welcome in my home as well as the 
> Sidha's. I  mean all meditation techniques practiced by others also.
It will be a 
> time for  many different views comeing together. Silence will always
be the  
> foundation. Love and joy can always win in the field of duality if
we give it a  
> chance. I don't fully agree with the system of non-duality because
it has  
> crippled India on a material level. Meditation does not carry you
along the path  
> of conscious awareness. Life is meant to be lived. If nothing is
worth living 
>  for because nothing is real then it is a self defeating attitude. Many 
> people  are starving to death because of this. Amachi, SSRS and many
others are 
> correct.  We must act with love and service when we come out of our
spiritual 
> programs.  Lsoma.
>




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'

2007-02-08 Thread Lsoma
MMY should expand the awareness of the department for the development of  
consciousness so Sidha's can
fly in the dome who practice and teach astrology, yoga, meditation other  
than his own system. Maharishi has done so many great things as a very wise  
teacher but he has failed to protect his children when they
needed him. Charlie Lutes was kicked off of the administrative board when  he 
started his spiritual lectures. From then on Maharishi never stepped in to  
kick Bevan Morris in the ass and train him to have a more expanded awareness so 
 he could accomplish the ME 20 years ago. All of the violence in the world is 
a  by-product of not accomplishing the ME sooner. I was personally told over 
the  phone and face to face with
the co-director of this dept that i was not allowed in the dome because of  
my website. Also, form my own spiritual advisors-they tell me that Maharishi is 
 not handing down these conservative guidelines and that he is too tired to  
change it. Well, part of me see's his point of view. But some of his children  
are being forgotten. And, some of these children are very serious about their 
 program and about world affairs which is spinning out of control. Who cares  
about more discussion regarding ultimate reality. I care about the world  and 
the Sidha's and meditators who have been told they cannot participate in MMY  
programs because of strick guidelines. While many are lying to get into the 
dome  who have violated the guidelines. Dishonesty is everywhere in MMY 
organization.  The will of God should express itself on the conscious level in 
a more 
 intelligent and responsible manner. Telling people they can't fly in the 
group  because they hugged Amachi or received darshan from another saint is so  
arrogant. No other saint or organization has ever turned me away because I  
practice TM or TM-Sidhi's!!!. I hear you MMY, now get out your sword of truth  
that you have been dragging behind you and fight like Arjuna. Or maybe you are  
the greatest meditation teacher but lake the spiritual courage to change the  
ignorance that exists in some of the departments of your organization. I don't 
 mean to bore the audience here. I just need to get this off of my chest  
sometimes because MMY or the top Supreme Council of Intelligence could care 
less  
about how we feel. They have their agenda and its final. Unfortunately it is 
not  the agenda of God or the ultimate reality. It is an agenda of great EGO 
power.  The kind of power that seems justified to accommodate itself under the 
idea of "  We are protecting the purity of the teaching". And while the world 
blows up they  still feel justified with their spiritually immature attitude. 
Love and Light.  Lou (Pantanjali) Valentino P.S. Since we have someone who 
promotes Benjamin  Creams website everyday on this forum I feel justified to 
include my website. _Astrological Varieties_ (http://www.yogavisionaries.com/)  


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'

2007-02-08 Thread Jonathan Chadwick
Since when from the beginning wasn't it obvious that for someone - anyone - to 
abridge your religious (spiritual) freedom is unacceptable?  Why have you put 
up with it at all?  Charlie Lutes was "kicked off," sure - I had to go to Iowa 
City to hear him speak - but that didn't mean he didn't do what they hell he 
wanted to.  You need to confront these people with reason - systematic 
arguments.  If they choose to be unreasonable, act like a cult, etc., then 
that's on them   When a member of my family visited M.U.M. a few years they 
said it reminded them of a reservation.  Obviously they don't have it together. 
 But that doesn't mean that the effulgence of your own Program, the glory days 
of the movement, the crest of the M.I.U. wave, weren't for real.  I've debated 
Bevan on an issue I thought he was absolutely wrong about.  His eyes went wide 
open and he just walked away.  But I've also seen John Hagelin react with real 
humanity to little groups - beginning almost thirty-five
 years ago now - and I think that at some point he'll be the one in charge (at 
least as far as the academic end of the troop is concerned).

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY should expand the awareness of the 
department for the development of consciousness so Sidha's can
  fly in the dome who practice and teach astrology, yoga, meditation other than 
his own system. Maharishi has done so many great things as a very wise teacher 
but he has failed to protect his children when they
  needed him. Charlie Lutes was kicked off of the administrative board when he 
started his spiritual lectures. From then on Maharishi never stepped in to kick 
Bevan Morris in the ass and train him to have a more expanded awareness so he 
could accomplish the ME 20 years ago. All of the violence in the world is a 
by-product of not accomplishing the ME sooner. I was personally told over the 
phone and face to face with
  the co-director of this dept that i was not allowed in the dome because of my 
website. Also, form my own spiritual advisors-they tell me that Maharishi is 
not handing down these conservative guidelines and that he is too tired to 
change it. Well, part of me see's his point of view. But some of his children 
are being forgotten. And, some of these children are very serious about their 
program and about world affairs which is spinning out of control. Who cares 
about more discussion regarding ultimate reality. I care about the world and 
the Sidha's and meditators who have been told they cannot participate in MMY 
programs because of strick guidelines. While many are lying to get into the 
dome who have violated the guidelines. Dishonesty is everywhere in MMY 
organization. The will of God should express itself on the conscious level in a 
more intelligent and responsible manner. Telling people they can't fly in the 
group because they hugged Amachi or received darshan from another
 saint is so arrogant. No other saint or organization has ever turned me away 
because I practice TM or TM-Sidhi's!!!. I hear you MMY, now get out your sword 
of truth that you have been dragging behind you and fight like Arjuna. Or maybe 
you are the greatest meditation teacher but lake the spiritual courage to 
change the ignorance that exists in some of the departments of your 
organization. I don't mean to bore the audience here. I just need to get this 
off of my chest sometimes because MMY or the top Supreme Council of 
Intelligence could care less about how we feel. They have their agenda and its 
final. Unfortunately it is not the agenda of God or the ultimate reality. It is 
an agenda of great EGO power. The kind of power that seems justified to 
accommodate itself under the idea of " We are protecting the purity of the 
teaching". And while the world blows up they still feel justified with their 
spiritually immature attitude. Love and Light. Lou (Pantanjali) Valentino P.S.
 Since we have someone who promotes Benjamin Creams website everyday on this 
forum I feel justified to include my website. Astrological Varieties 
  

 


 
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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'

2007-02-08 Thread llundrub
If one of you people really gave a shit you would go out and march the
campus and get arrested and then take it higher. Little Lucifers that you
all aspire to be.

 



RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'

2007-02-09 Thread llundrub
The master and the servant in a spiritual relationship are identical.

-Original Message-


Not to mention perpetuating duality by embracing
the power differential and knowledge differential
implicit in the master-disciple relationship. All
realized beings are equal. All students are equal
to their realized teachers. But it's only when
they realize this that they become realizd.
 



RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'

2007-02-09 Thread llundrub
The point not being made in the advaitin sense, but in the simple sense that
the true master is the greatest servant while the best student leads the
master's interests of the moment, thus the student leads and the real master
follows. The student raises questions and the master fills the gaps in
knowledge and maybe experience.  This is not different in the TMO where the
students have structured the flow of teachings. Therefore again, there is no
separation between TMO and the World at Large since the one begot the other,
tout ensemble.

Fighting either the TMO, the World, or anything in fact, through word or
deed, is like shooting one's own foot off. Because a dividing line between
oneself and the world or any object simply cannot be drawn as none exists.
So one is literally reifying mistakes and reifying negative karma. When the
world has forgotten about Hitler you think they'll give a shit about whether
some 90 year old saint once got some T & A. Or even if he was a lying sack
of shit. You suckers voted for him.  And now you get what you deserve and
that is perfect!

Finally the atavism inherent in critizing the master is that one also
critiques their own ontology.  So go right the fuck ahead you blind fools
and question your ontology. This is the truth for those who can hear. You
have never changed from who you are right now in the absence of your true
nature, and therefore, you simply cannot make the slightest whit of ultimate
difference. Now fucking relax and get over your shit. (Those of you who are
not over it).

You have not changed a whit through all your best efforts, and you will
never change and there's nothing you can do about it. Life has finished, so
now enjoy and take a break. There's nothing to accomplish, nowhere to go,
nothing to do. In the lack of ultimate reification of any relative value the
entire field of the relative in fact is as ultimate as the absolute - due to
lack of definition, both, they are therefore the same. 

Have a great fucking day Peeps.



-Original Message-
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 6:15 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The master and the servant in a spiritual relationship are identical.
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> Not to mention perpetuating duality by embracing
> the power differential and knowledge differential
> implicit in the master-disciple relationship. All
> realized beings are equal. All students are equal
> to their realized teachers. But it's only when
> they realize this that they become realized.

"Just remain in the center, watching. And then 
forget that you are there."

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'

2007-02-09 Thread Lsoma
Yes. It is time to create our own programs in Fairfield, Iowa. I'm happy to  
hear that many people who have
been living in Fairfield have found their own path and way. I can't wait to  
move to Fairfield this spring and be a part of the family community that is  
mostly in town. Lsoma.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'

2007-02-09 Thread Lsoma
I still haven't figured out how to respond directly through this forum.  Give 
me some time and I will figure it out.
Sorry for this. I will get over the MMY TMO stuff. The reaction from the  
audience tells me that it is a waste of time and I agree to not further discuss 
 
the fundamentalism of the TMO. I will be happy to express my own version of 
the  ME with other meditation techniques when MMY passes over in July or August 
of  this year. All meditators will be welcome in my home as well as the 
Sidha's. I  mean all meditation techniques practiced by others also. It will be 
a 
time for  many different views comeing together. Silence will always be the  
foundation. Love and joy can always win in the field of duality if we give it a 
 
chance. I don't fully agree with the system of non-duality because it has  
crippled India on a material level. Meditation does not carry you along the 
path  
of conscious awareness. Life is meant to be lived. If nothing is worth living 
 for because nothing is real then it is a self defeating attitude. Many 
people  are starving to death because of this. Amachi, SSRS and many others are 
correct.  We must act with love and service when we come out of our spiritual 
programs.  Lsoma.


Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'

2007-02-09 Thread Lsoma
I wanted to thank everyone who responded to my feelings regarding the  strick 
guidelines of the TMO. Duality is a bitch. And yes, I need to stop trying  to 
put myself in a cage that I no longer fit in. Thank You for the
advise and knowledge. Lsoma.


RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'

2007-02-09 Thread llundrub
Now that smarts of wisdom. 

 

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Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate
reality'

 

I wanted to thank everyone who responded to my feelings regarding the strick
guidelines of the TMO. Duality is a bitch. And yes, I need to stop trying to
put myself in a cage that I no longer fit in. Thank You for the

advise and knowledge. Lsoma.

 



RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'

2007-02-09 Thread llundrub
You cannot predict the transcendent  you airbag. It works beyond the mind.

 

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Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate
reality'

 

I still haven't figured out how to respond directly through this forum. Give
me some time and I will figure it out.

Sorry for this. I will get over the MMY TMO stuff. The reaction from the
audience tells me that it is a waste of time and I agree to not further
discuss the fundamentalism of the TMO. I will be happy to express my own
version of the ME with other meditation techniques when MMY passes over in
July or August of this year. All meditators will be welcome in my home as
well as the Sidha's. I mean all meditation techniques practiced by others
also. It will be a time for many different views comeing together. Silence
will always be the foundation. Love and joy can always win in the field of
duality if we give it a chance. I don't fully agree with the system of
non-duality because it has crippled India on a material level. Meditation
does not carry you along the path of conscious awareness. Life is meant to
be lived. If nothing is worth living for because nothing is real then it is
a self defeating attitude. Many people are starving to death because of
this. Amachi, SSRS and many others are correct. We must act with love and
service when we come out of our spiritual programs. Lsoma.

 



RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'

2007-02-09 Thread llundrub
You don't even live in FF.

 

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Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:34 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate
reality'

 

Yes. It is time to create our own programs in Fairfield, Iowa. I'm happy to
hear that many people who have

been living in Fairfield have found their own path and way. I can't wait to
move to Fairfield this spring and be a part of the family community that is
mostly in town. Lsoma.

 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'It comes from the nature of ultimate reality'

2007-02-09 Thread Lsoma
I'm an airbag. Now. Now. Be nice. Lsoma.