[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why Did We Create Nuclear Weapons?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Some of my recent posts, have been written in anger, and frustration. As I am Jewish, not practicing or anything, just born Jewish. Got picked on in the old neighborhood, by some of the Germans there. So, there is some deep button, that get's pushed, When I feel that old pressure, closing in from all sides, That the Jews are this, and the Jews are that... So, I admit that I am a little too attached to Israeli politics To be objective in this area. None the less, I am wondering why the United States, has spent Billions of dollars throughout the years, since WWII, Building these mighty nuclear weapons. Building mighty missiles, submarines, B-52's and B-2's to carry them to their targets; With multiple warheads on each missile. One submarine, parked in Puget Sound, here in Seattle, Has more explosive power, than all the bombs in WWII, put together. It's really hard to even fathom, a weapon of this magnitude. So, why did we create these weapons? When did we plan to use them? Is it so far fetched to think of the danger of this current situation, As perhaps making this deadly alternative necessary? The Iranian president wishes to establish a new: Persian Empire, in the Middle East; One without Israel, and the United States; And he is aligning himself with Chavez, in Venezuala ,China, and others; Iran has huge Uranium resources, as well as its black gold (Oil). The president of Iran has ambitions, which seem to me; Quite similar to that of Adolf Hitler's, 73 years ago... That war ended with two Atomic Blasts, as we know. What preceded those two Atomic Blasts were suicidal bombers and kamazis. What preceded those two Atomic Blasts, was the unwillingness to fight, Hand to hand, door to door on the Island of Japan. Dropping those bombs ended the war, and saved untold American lives. So, now with this Hitler type dictator in Iran, lusting for nukes, to destroy, us; And destroy IsraelÂ… Why did we build these nuclear weapons, and when do we use them, And against what kind of enemy, do we use them? It's time for serious meditation on this issue; Wouldn't you agree? R.G. I retract my earlier apology, and revert back to my original statement when you started talking like this. You should consider getting some psychological help. You are saying EXACTLY the same thing that the people you're so terrified of are saying. THEY say that it is perfectly permissible to kill the people of a whole nation, Israel. YOU are saying that it is perfectly permissible to kill the people of a whole nation, Iran. I think that the people on both sides who think and talk like this have lost their humanity. I pity the crazies in Hamas and Hezbollah who have let fear and hatred take their humanity from them, and I pity you for having let it do the same thing to you. And the fact that you've found people here who agree with you makes it a big day for pity all around. To the silent ones who haven't commented but who feel the same sadness I do at all of this, what a commercial for what decades of meditation can do for a person, eh? I admit, that I was in a rather 'cold' mood when I wrote this last night; I was attempting to question the whole sanity of creating these nuclear weapons; Would you have everyone in the defense department, and everyone who designs and manufacture these weapons: would you have them be mentally checked out at their local psycho ward? What do you think of this hardward we've produced over the years; That these crazy Iranians, are just 'dieing' to get there little hands on. And what do you think they would do with the weapons; Nuclear weapons; do you think they would make good on thier promise to 'wipe Israel off the map?' Do you think they would hesitate to wipe the United States off the map, if they could. Do you think Hitler and the Nazi's would have used an Atomic bomb, on the Allies, if they had designed it first. You are right about the fact that Kadafi, decided to give up his Messianic ambitions; But, this dude in Iran, he now wants to be the dude to wipe everyone out. So, I just thought, in my crazy little mind; That perhaps we should remind this little neopolian hitler iranian shit head; That the United States has all the nukes that he could ever imagine; And delivery systems that he could ever imagine; And to get the idea, out of his stupid head; That he will wipe anyone off the map; Or be a messianic figure to anyone. Just my crazy opinion... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why Did We Create Nuclear Weapons?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip To the silent ones who haven't commented but who feel the same sadness I do at all of this, what a commercial for what decades of meditation can do for a person, eh? And there is absolutely *no doubt in your mind* that decades of meditation are responsible for Robert thinking as he does, right? Because, as we all know, any effective meditation technique should cause all its practitioners to think and behave the same, in ways that are acceptable to Barry. Otherwise the meditation can't be any good, right, Barry? I always was confused on this point; Of whether to fight, evil; Or just sit there and meditate it away. Maharishi lately, has said to sit and meditate it away. But in the Bagavad Gita, that Maharishi commented on; Which I read, all those years ago.. That Lord Krishna said to Arjuna, to fight; To do his Dharma as a warrier of the time; So, do we fight evil; Would Torqoise fight Adolf Hitler; Or would he be part of the power-structure; Which supported Hitler, because it was easier to follow, Then to lead or fight. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why Did We Create Nuclear Weapons?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip To the silent ones who haven't commented but who feel the same sadness I do at all of this, what a commercial for what decades of meditation can do for a person, eh? And there is absolutely *no doubt in your mind* that decades of meditation are responsible for Robert thinking as he does, right? Because, as we all know, any effective meditation technique should cause all its practitioners to think and behave the same, in ways that are acceptable to Barry. Otherwise the meditation can't be any good, right, Barry? I always was confused on this point; Of whether to fight, evil; Or just sit there and meditate it away. Maharishi lately, has said to sit and meditate it away. But in the Bagavad Gita, that Maharishi commented on; Which I read, all those years ago.. That Lord Krishna said to Arjuna, to fight; To do his Dharma as a warrier of the time; So, do we fight evil; Would Torqoise fight Adolf Hitler; Or would he be part of the power-structure; Which supported Hitler, because it was easier to follow, Then to lead or fight. Different situations. in the Gita, there's an allegorical fight between pure good and pure evil. In WWII, the lines weren't QUITE so clearcut, but close enough. In the current situation, while you can make a case that Al Qaeda-style terrorists are durned close to pure evil, the fight is being taken to civilian populations who may or may not have ANYTHING to do with the enemy who is supposed to be the target. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why Did We Create Nuclear Weapons?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Some of my recent posts, have been written in anger, and frustration. As I am Jewish, not practicing or anything, just born Jewish. Got picked on in the old neighborhood, by some of the Germans there. So, there is some deep button, that get's pushed, When I feel that old pressure, closing in from all sides, That the Jews are this, and the Jews are that... So, I admit that I am a little too attached to Israeli politics To be objective in this area. None the less, I am wondering why the United States, has spent Billions of dollars throughout the years, since WWII, Building these mighty nuclear weapons. Building mighty missiles, submarines, B-52's and B-2's to carry them to their targets; With multiple warheads on each missile. One submarine, parked in Puget Sound, here in Seattle, Has more explosive power, than all the bombs in WWII, put together. It's really hard to even fathom, a weapon of this magnitude. So, why did we create these weapons? When did we plan to use them? Is it so far fetched to think of the danger of this current situation, As perhaps making this deadly alternative necessary? The Iranian president wishes to establish a new: Persian Empire, in the Middle East; One without Israel, and the United States; And he is aligning himself with Chavez, in Venezuala ,China, and others; Iran has huge Uranium resources, as well as its black gold (Oil). The president of Iran has ambitions, which seem to me; Quite similar to that of Adolf Hitler's, 73 years ago... That war ended with two Atomic Blasts, as we know. What preceded those two Atomic Blasts were suicidal bombers and kamazis. What preceded those two Atomic Blasts, was the unwillingness to fight, Hand to hand, door to door on the Island of Japan. Dropping those bombs ended the war, and saved untold American lives. So, now with this Hitler type dictator in Iran, lusting for nukes, to destroy, us; And destroy IsraelÂ… Why did we build these nuclear weapons, and when do we use them, And against what kind of enemy, do we use them? It's time for serious meditation on this issue; Wouldn't you agree? R.G. I retract my earlier apology, and revert back to my original statement when you started talking like this. You should consider getting some psychological help. You are saying EXACTLY the same thing that the people you're so terrified of are saying. THEY say that it is perfectly permissible to kill the people of a whole nation, Israel. YOU are saying that it is perfectly permissible to kill the people of a whole nation, Iran. I think that the people on both sides who think and talk like this have lost their humanity. I pity the crazies in Hamas and Hezbollah who have let fear and hatred take their humanity from them, and I pity you for having let it do the same thing to you. And the fact that you've found people here who agree with you makes it a big day for pity all around. To the silent ones who haven't commented but who feel the same sadness I do at all of this, what a commercial for what decades of meditation can do for a person, eh? But what does a nation do when their very existence is threatened? Is there never a situation, Barry, when fighting against another nation is justified? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why Did We Create Nuclear Weapons?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip To the silent ones who haven't commented but who feel the same sadness I do at all of this, what a commercial for what decades of meditation can do for a person, eh? And there is absolutely *no doubt in your mind* that decades of meditation are responsible for Robert thinking as he does, right? Because, as we all know, any effective meditation technique should cause all its practitioners to think and behave the same, in ways that are acceptable to Barry. Otherwise the meditation can't be any good, right, Barry? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why Did We Create Nuclear Weapons?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/30/06 2:05 PM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you believe in karma? Or compassion? What would be the implications of wiping out 67 million people and perhaps causing a nuclear winter? Actually, the latter might be our first payback. +++ Is it being compassionate to wait till they wipe us out- seems impractical and also too late. Wouldn't it be a type of suicide which is not good karma either. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why Did We Create Nuclear Weapons?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 7/30/06 2:05 PM, Robert Gimbel at babajii_99@ wrote: Do you believe in karma? Or compassion? What would be the implications of wiping out 67 million people and perhaps causing a nuclear winter? Actually, the latter might be our first payback. +++ Is it being compassionate to wait till they wipe us out- seems impractical and also too late. Wouldn't it be a type of suicide which is not good karma either. N. With the economic clout and diplomatic reach of the US, there are a huge amount of alternatives to using nuclear weapons, or even conventional weapons. I heard a great talk yesterday between Tim Russert and Thomas Friedman, in which Friedman was making the point that Libya abandoned its nuclear weapons program not because of the US invasion of Iraq, but because behind the scenes we provided them with a security assurance that if they stopped pursuing that [nuclear weapons] direction, we promised not to attack them. One small example, but a way in which the US can still move in the direction of peace while realistically protecting our interests. These ideas of I can kick your ass before you kick mine and I can kick your ass so hard, you'll never get back at me are the most short-sighted and foolish and damaging policies. Anyone pursuing such ideas in the government should be removed from office immediately! Such stupid and dull thinking. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why Did We Create Nuclear Weapons?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 7/30/06 2:05 PM, Robert Gimbel at babajii_99@ wrote: Do you believe in karma? Or compassion? What would be the implications of wiping out 67 million people and perhaps causing a nuclear winter? Actually, the latter might be our first payback. +++ Is it being compassionate to wait till they wipe us out- seems impractical and also too late. Wouldn't it be a type of suicide which is not good karma either. N. With the economic clout and diplomatic reach of the US, there are a huge amount of alternatives to using nuclear weapons, or even conventional weapons. I heard a great talk yesterday between Tim Russert and Thomas Friedman, in which Friedman was making the point that Libya abandoned its nuclear weapons program not because of the US invasion of Iraq, but because behind the scenes we provided them with a security assurance that if they stopped pursuing that [nuclear weapons] direction, we promised not to attack them. One small example, but a way in which the US can still move in the direction of peace while realistically protecting our interests. These ideas of I can kick your ass before you kick mine and I can kick your ass so hard, you'll never get back at me are the most short-sighted and foolish and damaging policies. Anyone pursuing such ideas in the government should be removed from office immediately! Such stupid and dull thinking. Actually, a strong country should have that as a given, but be so self-confidant that it never needs to be spoken of. That the Bush Administration appears to make it the heart of their diplomatic strategy is a Very Bad Thing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why Did We Create Nuclear Weapons?'
In a message dated 7/30/06 5:07:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With the economic clout and diplomatic reach of the US, there are a huge amount of alternatives to using nuclear weapons, or even conventional weapons.I heard a great talk yesterday between Tim Russert and Thomas Friedman, in which Friedman was making the point that Libya abandoned its nuclear weapons program not because of the US invasion of Iraq, but because behind the scenes we provided them with a security assurance that if they stopped pursuing that [nuclear weapons] direction, we promised not to attack them. Iran has been offered and continues to be offered all kinds of deals like that, but they refuse them. They insist havingnukes is their right. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why Did We Create Nuclear Weapons?'
In a message dated 7/30/06 6:03:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One small example, but a way in which the US can still move in the direction of peace while realistically protecting our interests. These ideas of "I can kick your ass before you kick mine" and "I can kick your ass so hard, you'll never get back at me" are the most short-sighted and foolish and damaging policies. Anyone pursuing such ideas in the government should be removed from office immediately! Such stupid and dull thinking.Actually, a strong country should have that as a given, but be so self-confidant that it never needs to be spoken of. That the Bush Administration appears to make it the heart of their diplomatic strategy is a Very Bad Thing. The Bush administration asked the European community to handle the situation and negotiations with Iran. They became frustrated with the lack of progress and insisted the US become more involved. Bush has said all along that there will be a negotiated settlement. The only thing Bush has said in regards to forceis that military options are not off the table but are a last resort. And I would bet that was the reason the Europeans asked for US involvement in the talks. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why Did We Create Nuclear Weapons?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/30/06 5:07:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With the economic clout and diplomatic reach of the US, there are a huge amount of alternatives to using nuclear weapons, or even conventional weapons. I heard a great talk yesterday between Tim Russert and Thomas Friedman, in which Friedman was making the point that Libya abandoned its nuclear weapons program not because of the US invasion of Iraq, but because behind the scenes we provided them with a security assurance that if they stopped pursuing that [nuclear weapons] direction, we promised not to attack them. Iran has been offered and continues to be offered all kinds of deals like that, but they refuse them. They insist having nukes is their right. Could be. I just can't paint their geopolitical reality as black and white though. Imagine watching Bush go after your neighbor, one that the US supported against you in a war. Bush going after your neighbor, unprovoked. I think what the current leader of Iran says in terms of rhetoric to rally his political base (h...sounds familiar...), and the desire for nukes are two separate desires of Iran's. The desire for nukes I see as a lot more defensive and widely supported than the statements the leader makes as anti-Israel. Just as I saw with the Soviet Union and China when they were our enemies, any country that we declare as an enemy are scared to death of us, which we then conveniently misinterpret as offensiveness on their part. We spend more on weaponry than the next 25 war budgets combined. Every other country that is not our ally is going to do everything they can to appear as big a risk as possible to any thought of invasion from us. Hence the mad dash to get nukes. After all, what our reaction has thus far shown is that if you have nukes, we won't bother you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why Did We Create Nuclear Weapons?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/30/06 5:07:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With the economic clout and diplomatic reach of the US, there are a huge amount of alternatives to using nuclear weapons, or even conventional weapons. I heard a great talk yesterday between Tim Russert and Thomas Friedman, in which Friedman was making the point that Libya abandoned its nuclear weapons program not because of the US invasion of Iraq, but because behind the scenes we provided them with a security assurance that if they stopped pursuing that [nuclear weapons] direction, we promised not to attack them. Iran has been offered and continues to be offered all kinds of deals like that, but they refuse them. They insist having nukes is their right. The Iranian government, even by Iranian standards, is a bit extreme. But not TOO extreme. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why Did We Create Nuclear Weapons?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/30/06 6:03:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One small example, but a way in which the US can still move in the direction of peace while realistically protecting our interests. These ideas of I can kick your ass before you kick mine and I can kick your ass so hard, you'll never get back at me are the most short-sighted and foolish and damaging policies. Anyone pursuing such ideas in the government should be removed from office immediately! Such stupid and dull thinking. Actually, a strong country should have that as a given, but be so self-confidant that it never needs to be spoken of. That the Bush Administration appears to make it the heart of their diplomatic strategy is a Very Bad Thing. The Bush administration asked the European community to handle the situation and negotiations with Iran. They became frustrated with the lack of progress and insisted the US become more involved. Bush has said all along that there will be a negotiated settlement. The only thing Bush has said in regards to force is that military options are not off the table but are a last resort. And I would bet that was the reason the Europeans asked for US involvement in the talks. I was about to agree with you until I recalled that all military options for Bush, includes first-strike nuclear ones. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why Did We Create Nuclear Weapons?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/30/06 5:07:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jflanegi@ writes: With the economic clout and diplomatic reach of the US, there are a huge amount of alternatives to using nuclear weapons, or even conventional weapons. I heard a great talk yesterday between Tim Russert and Thomas Friedman, in which Friedman was making the point that Libya abandoned its nuclear weapons program not because of the US invasion of Iraq, but because behind the scenes we provided them with a security assurance that if they stopped pursuing that [nuclear weapons] direction, we promised not to attack them. Iran has been offered and continues to be offered all kinds of deals like that, but they refuse them. They insist having nukes is their right. The Iranian government, even by Iranian standards, is a bit extreme. But not TOO extreme. I am reasonably sure that if another country wanted to cherry pick quotes from members of our US government, we'd appear quite extreme also... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why Did We Create Nuclear Weapons?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/30/06 5:07:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jflanegi@ writes: With the economic clout and diplomatic reach of the US, there are a huge amount of alternatives to using nuclear weapons, or even conventional weapons. I heard a great talk yesterday between Tim Russert and Thomas Friedman, in which Friedman was making the point that Libya abandoned its nuclear weapons program not because of the US invasion of Iraq, but because behind the scenes we provided them with a security assurance that if they stopped pursuing that [nuclear weapons] direction, we promised not to attack them. Iran has been offered and continues to be offered all kinds of deals like that, but they refuse them. They insist having nukes is their right. The Iranian government, even by Iranian standards, is a bit extreme. But not TOO extreme. I think that different leaders in the Middle East, have had these meglomanic quality; Where they want to rule the whole show; Like Ghadafi, and Saddam, and Osama, and Khomeni, or whoever else, gets there face on a flag or sign, which is carried down the street and revered, in that strange facist way... And now, the President of Iran, sees himself postitioned; Because of our folly in Iraq, and because the Shite sect has taken over power, in Iraq; And thier propaganda campaign in Lebanon, with their arm of terror, Hezbollah... So, their 'right' to have nukes, will continue to be dangerous; Particularly, because they have the raw material, uranium ore, which they mine in their own country. So, this will be continuing dangerous situation... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why Did We Create Nuclear Weapons?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 7/30/06 6:03:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sparaig@ writes: One small example, but a way in which the US can still move in the direction of peace while realistically protecting our interests. These ideas of I can kick your ass before you kick mine and I can kick your ass so hard, you'll never get back at me are the most short-sighted and foolish and damaging policies. Anyone pursuing such ideas in the government should be removed from office immediately! Such stupid and dull thinking. Actually, a strong country should have that as a given, but be so self-confidant that it never needs to be spoken of. That the Bush Administration appears to make it the heart of their diplomatic strategy is a Very Bad Thing. The Bush administration asked the European community to handle the situation and negotiations with Iran. They became frustrated with the lack of progress and insisted the US become more involved. Bush has said all along that there will be a negotiated settlement. The only thing Bush has said in regards to force is that military options are not off the table but are a last resort. And I would bet that was the reason the Europeans asked for US involvement in the talks. I was about to agree with you until I recalled that all military options for Bush, includes first-strike nuclear ones. It is true that the Bush administration are like hill-billy's when it comes to diplomacy; as we know our image in the world is not so hot these days. But when it comes to 'first strike capability'; That is America's main line of defense, and all the billions we've spent on weapons and satellites... At least we need to explain through 'truth in propaganda' That the weapons they seek and lust for; We already have, and in a much greater form. We need to remind them, that we are in a better position, To,'Wipe them off the map, as they have threatened Israel, And I'm sure they would like the same thing for us, here. So, we need to be a little more aggresive with these people. We are in a weak position now, in world opinion, because of Iraq. Which is why Iran is taking advantage of this weakened situation. Israel has weakened itself also, by this latest action, in the eyes of world opionion. So, we are in a dangerous period, and I am just wondering what is any way to avoid what appears to be a collision course... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why Did We Create Nuclear Weapons?'
In a message dated 7/31/06 12:06:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, we are in a dangerous period, and I am just wondering what is any way to avoid what appears to be a collision course... You don't think Iran knows what the US could do to them if they use nukes first? What Iran will try to do is black mail the west into not interfering with their plans for Israel. Ahmadinegad thinks he is destined to create enough chaos in the world to bring the Madhi who will make the world submit to Islam or die. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
