[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for those who believe in God
All this indicates is that Barry has no other place to go for his philosophical musings. If things follow script, we'll get the "unworthy" post shortly. Oh, and we can expect a four pager from anataxius. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If you were find out for sure that there is NO God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted believing in one? We non-theists wouldn't. It would have no impact on our lives whatsoever. If your answer to the question is "Yes," it seems to me that your faith in God is based on habit, neediness and fear, not on any kind of positive belief.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for those who believe in God
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If you were find out for sure that there is NO God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted believing in one? We non-theists wouldn't. It would have no impact on our lives whatsoever. Of course it would have no impact for non-theists! What a dumb comparison. The corresponding question for *non-theists* should be: "If you were to find out for sure that there IS a God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted not believing in one?" How would you answer that? If your answer to the question is "Yes," it seems to me that your faith in God is based on habit, neediness and fear, not on any kind of positive belief.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for those who believe in God
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If you were find out for sure that there is NO God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted believing in one? We non-theists wouldn't. It would have no impact on our lives whatsoever. Of course it would have no impact for non-theists! What a dumb comparison. The corresponding question for *non-theists* should be: "If you were to find out for sure that there IS a God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted not believing in one?" How would you answer that? I love your line of reasoning, Seraphita. Since I already believe in "God" I will take a stab at what a non-theist might feel if they suddenly found out there was a God after all, just for fun. They might feel chagrined that they berated all of their acquaintances for being believers or they might have to delete all the theist jokes off their FB wall. They might even decide to look around themselves and feel gratitude towards something that was imaginative and strong enough to have made a worm or a thundercloud. They might even decide to say a little "thank you" prayer for the fact that their heart keeps beating and that they can hear a Mozart requiem. If your answer to the question is "Yes," it seems to me that your faith in God is based on habit, neediness and fear, not on any kind of positive belief.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question for those who believe in God
From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If you were find out for sure that there is NO God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted believing in one? We non-theists wouldn't. It would have no impact on our lives whatsoever. Of course it would have no impact for non-theists! What a dumb comparison. The corresponding question for *non-theists* should be: "If you were to find out for sure that there IS a God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted not believing in one?" How would you answer that? Already answered in another thread -- absolutely nothing would change in my life.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question for those who believe in God
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question for those who believe in God From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If you were find out for sure that there is NO God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted believing in one? We non-theists wouldn't. It would have no impact on our lives whatsoever. Of course it would have no impact for non-theists! What a dumb comparison. The corresponding question for *non-theists* should be: "If you were to find out for sure that there IS a God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted not believing in one?" How would you answer that? Already answered in another thread -- absolutely nothing would change in my life. I suspect that a more interesting question might be, "What is it you're imagining that I would feel or how I would act if it were proved that a sentient God existed?" Would you imagine that I'd *praise* Him/Her/It? Fall down on my knees and say, "Hey God...good job inventing ebola and that typhoon you created last month that killed 12,000 of your human creations...you really nailed it with those two...great work." Would you imagine that I'd somehow change my behavior out of fear of what this God-thug might *do* to me after I died? That's SO not gonna happen. :-) So I'm interested in what you *imagine* that a non-believer might or should do, confronted with proof of God's existence. I'm happy to stand on "Not a damned thing in my life would change," but I get the feeling you won't be happy with that answer. Do you somehow imagine that I'd feel *bad* about not having spent my life worshiping or praising the thug who invented ebola? :-) I'm just foolin' around, having fun with ideas, but your question does bring up for me my incredulity about the whole notion of "prayer" or "praise." Whether it's kneeling down and asking some supposed God to change His/Her/Its rules just for you or singing to them and trying to influence them with offerings of fruit and incense in a yagya, I've just never gotten the concept. I mean, do people who do this have such a low opinion of their God that they think He/She/It can actually be *bribed* or *flattered*? That strikes me as a pretty puny God, if so...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question for those who believe in God
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If you were find out for sure that there is NO God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted believing in one? We non-theists wouldn't. It would have no impact on our lives whatsoever. Of course it would have no impact for non-theists! What a dumb comparison. The corresponding question for *non-theists* should be: "If you were to find out for sure that there IS a God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted not believing in one?" How would you answer that? Already answered in another thread -- absolutely nothing would change in my life. And it wouldn't change even if He texted me. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question for those who believe in God
turq, fun to see a non nasty sense of humor here on FFL...
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question for those who believe in God
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
If you were find out for sure that there is NO God, would you feel a sense of
loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted believing in
one?
We non-theists wouldn't. It would have no impact on our lives whatsoever.
Of course it would have no impact for non-theists! What a dumb comparison. The
corresponding question for *non-theists* should be: "If you were to find out
for sure that there IS a God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life
had been diminished in some way or wasted not believing in one?" How would you
answer that?
Already answered in another thread -- absolutely nothing would change in my
life.
And it wouldn't change even if He texted me. :-)
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question for those who believe in God
Oh my gosh, what a lie. For Barry not to be able to engage in what has become a focal point of his life, the bashing of people who believe in God, and then to say that nothing would change for him?! At the every least, he would have to find a new bashing outlet. Let's see. People who live in America. That one's already covered. People who live in the town or city he just left. Covered as well. People who have opinions, other than his. A big catchall, that's covered as well. I'm sure he'll come up with something. Or maybe he can write something about the Cathars, or maybe a science fiction story. Who knows. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If you were find out for sure that there is NO God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted believing in one? We non-theists wouldn't. It would have no impact on our lives whatsoever. Of course it would have no impact for non-theists! What a dumb comparison. The corresponding question for *non-theists* should be: "If you were to find out for sure that there IS a God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted not believing in one?" How would you answer that? Already answered in another thread -- absolutely nothing would change in my life.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question for those who believe in God
All moot questions, because, as we know, Barry is a theist, in belief, if not in declaration. He just prefers to call it intelligence. Otherwise he has no explanation for the belief in life after death views he's shared, including his own past life experiences. A better question would be how he explains that. I have previously asked him, and he says, as he likes to say about most things. "Doesn't matter. Nothing would change for me" Oka. And then, there's the familiar Barry ploy of framing the believer point of view, in a narrow framework that really doesn't reflect the reality of the situation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question for those who believe in God From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If you were find out for sure that there is NO God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted believing in one? We non-theists wouldn't. It would have no impact on our lives whatsoever. Of course it would have no impact for non-theists! What a dumb comparison. The corresponding question for *non-theists* should be: "If you were to find out for sure that there IS a God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted not believing in one?" How would you answer that? Already answered in another thread -- absolutely nothing would change in my life. I suspect that a more interesting question might be, "What is it you're imagining that I would feel or how I would act if it were proved that a sentient God existed?" Would you imagine that I'd *praise* Him/Her/It? Fall down on my knees and say, "Hey God...good job inventing ebola and that typhoon you created last month that killed 12,000 of your human creations...you really nailed it with those two...great work." Would you imagine that I'd somehow change my behavior out of fear of what this God-thug might *do* to me after I died? That's SO not gonna happen. :-) So I'm interested in what you *imagine* that a non-believer might or should do, confronted with proof of God's existence. I'm happy to stand on "Not a damned thing in my life would change," but I get the feeling you won't be happy with that answer. Do you somehow imagine that I'd feel *bad* about not having spent my life worshiping or praising the thug who invented ebola? :-) I'm just foolin' around, having fun with ideas, but your question does bring up for me my incredulity about the whole notion of "prayer" or "praise." Whether it's kneeling down and asking some supposed God to change His/Her/Its rules just for you or singing to them and trying to influence them with offerings of fruit and incense in a yagya, I've just never gotten the concept. I mean, do people who do this have such a low opinion of their God that they think He/She/It can actually be *bribed* or *flattered*? That strikes me as a pretty puny God, if so...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question for those who believe in God
*From:* "s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : */If you were find out for sure that there is NO God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted believing in one?/* */ /* */We non-theists wouldn't. It would have no impact on our lives whatsoever. /* */ /* Of course it would have no impact for non-theists! What a dumb comparison. The corresponding question for *non-theists* should be: "If you were to find out for sure that there IS a God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted not believing in one?" How would you answer that? > On 11/21/2014 12:01 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */Already answered in another thread -- absolutely nothing would change in my life. /* > /If you saw "little green men" from Mars, you would change your mind about believing in little green men from Mars or you would be in denial. You are not making any sense./ /You are not even being logical - everyone changes when they absorb knowledge - the very act of sensing causes changes in the nervous system. You can never step into the same river twice - everything is based on change. The only thing that is "absolutely" non-changing is the Being itself which never changes. Go figure./
