[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 20, 2005, at 2:02 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > But is that when the soul enters the body? > > > > Do Tibetan and Ayurvedic medical traditions discuss abortion? > > "Soul" is a nebulous word thrown around in western circles because we > really don't know a lot about consciousness as a culture. It's a very > imprecise word. > > The consciousness-principle acts as a morphogenetic field guiding the > unfoldment of the human after the initial sperm-egg fusion. The > consciousness-principle is there from the beginning, but does not > enter it's new home until the fetal heart begins beating. That sounds intuitely right on to me, Vaj. Thanks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
On Aug 20, 2005, at 2:02 AM, sparaig wrote: > But is that when the soul enters the body? > > Do Tibetan and Ayurvedic medical traditions discuss abortion? "Soul" is a nebulous word thrown around in western circles because we really don't know a lot about consciousness as a culture. It's a very imprecise word. The consciousness-principle acts as a morphogenetic field guiding the unfoldment of the human after the initial sperm-egg fusion. The consciousness-principle is there from the beginning, but does not enter it's new home until the fetal heart begins beating. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Maharishi said it. I used to have the tape. He said all cows are > > > reborn not only as humans, but as teachers. If we kill cows before > > > they are allowed to reach their full development as cows, then > > > sub-standard teachers is born, incapable of understanding and > > > teaching pure knowledge, and the society is doomed to ignorance. > > > > Why *cows*, for heaven's sake? Horses, I could > > understand. > > Yeah, cows-as-teachers doesn't make much sense to > me, either. They're such moo makers. The whole > idea is udderly ridiculous. Got milk? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Maharishi said it. I used to have the tape. He said all cows are > > reborn not only as humans, but as teachers. If we kill cows before > > they are allowed to reach their full development as cows, then > > sub-standard teachers is born, incapable of understanding and > > teaching pure knowledge, and the society is doomed to ignorance. > > Why *cows*, for heaven's sake? Horses, I could > understand. Yeah, cows-as-teachers doesn't make much sense to me, either. They're such moo makers. The whole idea is udderly ridiculous. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 8/19/05 2:18 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote > > > > > > Of course, the Hare Krishnas go beyond all of that: they believe > > > that the karma of killing so many cows for consumption in America > > > is very bad. Indeed, I remember about 25 years ago when some > > > nutcase went into a MacDonald's and shot everyone in sight that > > > Krishna's released a press statement saying that that was direct > > > karma for killing millions of cows. > > > > > > I heard that Sattynand (one of MMY's disciples) said that the > > > reason America doesn't have any great leaders is that they eat > > > them all. > > > > Maharishi said it. I used to have the tape. He said all cows are > > reborn not only as humans, but as teachers. If we kill cows before > > they are allowed to reach their full development as cows, then > > sub-standard teachers is born, incapable of understanding and > > teaching pure knowledge, and the society is doomed to ignorance. > > Sounds like bull to me. :-) > > But it makes as much sense as bringing about world > peace by tearing down all the world's buildings > and building new ones. Since virtually all the world's buildings HAVE been torn down at one point or another and others put in their place, I dont' think that this makes sense. Come to think of it, its not what is being claimed, either.. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 8/19/05 2:18 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote > > > > > > Of course, the Hare Krishnas go beyond all of that: they believe > > that the karma of killing so many cows for consumption in America is > > very, very bad. Indeed, I remember about 25 years ago when some > > nutcase went into a MacDonald's and shot everyone in sight that the > > Krishna's released a press statement saying that that was direct > > karma for killing millions of cows. > > > > I heard that Sattynand (one of MMY's disciples) said that the reason > > America doesn't have any great leaders is that they eat them all. > > Maharishi said it. I used to have the tape. He said all cows are reborn not > only as humans, but as teachers. If we kill cows before they are allowed to > reach their full development as cows, then sub-standard teachers is born, > incapable of understanding and teaching pure knowledge, and the society is > doomed to ignorance. It's as good an explanation as any for the current state of education in the USA... I wonder if there is a correlation between being a beef-eating/beef-producing state, and educational scoring... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 19, 2005, at 3:04 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > > > Intuitively, to me, the first breathe is the setting up of your > > astrological chart because with the first breathe is the imprint of > > the situation of the stars and planets in the cosmos upon the > > individual nervous system... > > Exactly. > > Tibetan and Ayurvedic medicine says that birth begins at sperm-egg > fusion--that's when the doshas are established. But is that when the soul enters the body? Do Tibetan and Ayurvedic medical traditions discuss abortion? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 8/19/05 1:15:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I thought it was the Indian belief that the soul enters the body on the > first breathe (pran). > > > > > This is what I heard MMY say. Seems he changes his mind on the idea. I > believe Tibetans say at conception. I'm sure everybody has their own > opinion. So > who is right? Does one err on the side of caution or on the side of > convenience? If a society agrees that it begins at birth and the reality is > that it > begins at conception or somewhere in between, what is the karma for that > society > to sanction a law that kills the most innocent lives by the millions? > Letting a few people make this decision for society can be dangerous. That's > why I > believe our founding fathers said that we derive our unalienable rights, > among them Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness from our Creator, not > from > men. The right to life was considered an absolute by our founding fathers. What punishment does the Bible specify for causing a miscarriage? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 19, 2005, at 4:27 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > Why *cows*, for heaven's sake? Horses, I could > > understand. > > Actually I would of thought Jack Russell Terriers were voted most > likely to reincarnate as humans. Incredibly smart with a strong sense of self, yeah :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
In a message dated 8/19/05 5:54:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't know nuttin' about either. What's theAtkinstien diet? Kosher Atkins. eating Kosher meats To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL (Real Life Experience)
I speak from my personal experience, and that of a woman I spoke to about this subject. There was an experience I had, one time, when I could feel a "Light" entering the room, where my former wife and I were, after making love. It was a palpable experience, and she knew she had conceived at that time. As it turned out, my wife and I at the time were going through many stressful events, and after speaking with several friends in Fairfield and getting a reading from Ron Scolastico (who said the decision for abortion, was up to her), she decided to, and went ahead with the abortion. I remember the feeling that day- a deadness, a feeling of just plain deadness. This abortion contributed to the death of our marriage. Also, a sensitive woman I spoke to in Fairfield about her experience; she said she could feel several souls's around her, wanting to re-incarnate. She said, there would have to be a subtle agreement made on some level, that she would agree to carry the soul, to physical fruition. I personally believe, the soul "hovers" about the mother, during the time in the womb, contributing to the development of the fetus. I have heard also, that the soul enters the body on the first breath or soon after; nonetheless, the soul is present from the beginning, I believe. It just so happens, that recently I figured out the time of the abortion, and how old the child would have been now; Recently, when this teenager, Natalee Holoway,in Aruba, came on the news; She is the same age as the child would have been, who was aborted. It gave me a focus to mourn the death of a child, who might have been; And showed me how quickly, someone can just 'disappear' from this earth. > > >Rick, > > > > > >When I was on staff at Livingston Manor in 1973 a > > >meditator got pregnant. Her boyfriend, who was an > > >initiator close to Maharishi, asked Maharishi about > > >abortion. Maharishi at that time said that the soul > > >doesn't enter the body until 3 months after > > >conception. She went ahead with the abortion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought it was the Indian belief that the soul enters the body > on the > > first breathe (pran). > > > Intuitively, to me, the first breathe is the setting up of your > astrological chart because with the first breathe is the imprint of > the situation of the stars and planets in the cosmos upon the > individual nervous system... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 8/19/05 4:19:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I think there is something much more humane and civil about hunting > > for the food you eat (and probably more healthy) than consuming the > > meat that we as consumers buy and eat at the Supermarket. > > I tend to agree with you. It's hunting for sport > I find uncivilized. > > On the other hand, apparently there are some very > serious diseases you can get from wild game, so it > may not be *that* healthy. Plus which, there may be > some nasty karma attached to eating animals, domestic > or wild, although probably less if you're a > subsistence hunter. > > Not sure about the Kosher laws but I think they state you shall > eat of the animals that you raise by the sweat of your brow, in > other words domesticated animals. that is , if you're into > Atkinstien diet. Don't know nuttin' about either. What's the Atkinstien diet? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
In a message dated 8/19/05 4:19:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think there is something much more humane and civil about hunting > for the food you eat (and probably more healthy) than consuming the > meat that we as consumers buy and eat at the Supermarket.I tend to agree with you. It's hunting for sportI find uncivilized.On the other hand, apparently there are some veryserious diseases you can get from wild game, so itmay not be *that* healthy. Plus which, there may besome nasty karma attached to eating animals, domesticor wild, although probably less if you're asubsistence hunter. Not sure about the Kosher laws but I think they state you shall eat of the animals that you raise by the sweat of your brow, in other words domesticated animals. that is , if you're into Atkinstien diet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think there is something much more humane and civil about hunting > > for the food you eat (and probably more healthy) than consuming the > > meat that we as consumers buy and eat at the Supermarket. > > I tend to agree with you. It's hunting for sport > I find uncivilized. > > On the other hand, apparently there are some very > serious diseases you can get from wild game, so it > may not be *that* healthy. Plus which, there may be > some nasty karma attached to eating animals, domestic > or wild, although probably less if you're a > subsistence hunter. > > I read something somewhere about the *fear* of > animals heading into the slaughterhouse, and how > this releases toxic hormones that you then ingest > when you eat the meat. That would likely be less > of a factor too with game, if you're a good shot. Temple Grandin, an autistic savant, is considered the world's leading expert on design of slaughterhouses that lessen the stress of being led to slaughter. although a red-meat eater herself, the head of PETA has said she has done more for reducing the suffering of animals than anyone else. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think there is something much more humane and civil about hunting > for the food you eat (and probably more healthy) than consuming the > meat that we as consumers buy and eat at the Supermarket. I tend to agree with you. It's hunting for sport I find uncivilized. On the other hand, apparently there are some very serious diseases you can get from wild game, so it may not be *that* healthy. Plus which, there may be some nasty karma attached to eating animals, domestic or wild, although probably less if you're a subsistence hunter. I read something somewhere about the *fear* of animals heading into the slaughterhouse, and how this releases toxic hormones that you then ingest when you eat the meat. That would likely be less of a factor too with game, if you're a good shot. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 8/19/05 2:18 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote > > > > > > Of course, the Hare Krishnas go beyond all of that: they believe > > that the karma of killing so many cows for consumption in America is > > very, very bad. Indeed, I remember about 25 years ago when some > > nutcase went into a MacDonald's and shot everyone in sight that the > > Krishna's released a press statement saying that that was direct > > karma for killing millions of cows. > > > > I heard that Sattynand (one of MMY's disciples) said that the reason > > America doesn't have any great leaders is that they eat them all. > > Maharishi said it. I used to have the tape. He said all cows are reborn not > only as humans, but as teachers. If we kill cows before they are allowed to > reach their full development as cows, then sub-standard teachers is born, > incapable of understanding and teaching pure knowledge, and the society is > doomed to ignorance. There's a movie from 1972 starring Lee Marvin called "Prime Cut" which I saw as a teenager when it first came out. The opening scene is of a slaughterhouse, shown in great detail. Well, I was put off from eating red meat for about a month as a result of seeing this footage. Nevermind that the killers in the film used the slaughterhouse as a way to dispose of humans they had killed (their meat was mixed in with the saugage); that wasn't what turned me off of red meat...it was the depiction of what goes on in a slaughter house that does. As a result it has always been my contention that if organisations like PETA want to stop the mass consumption of red meat in our society all they have to do is mass distribute DVDs of slaugterhouse activity and that alone will be enough to turn people off red meat. In addition to that, footage of the recent innovation of "farming" of cattle in confined spaces would also serve the same purpose. I actually have an admiration for hunters. Growing up in a large city I had an innate prejudice against hunters and thought the activity barbaric. When I was about 27, I got a job as a "travelling salesman" that brought me to homes in many rural areas in Vermont, Maine, the four Canadian maritime provinces and Quebec and Ontario. I visited many homes where the people were hunters. Virtually without exception, the animals that they killed were ALL used for consumption and, for most, the meat represented the only meat they consumed for the year (kept in freezers which they all had). I think there is something much more humane and civil about hunting for the food you eat (and probably more healthy) than consuming the meat that we as consumers buy and eat at the Supermarket. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
On Aug 19, 2005, at 4:27 PM, authfriend wrote: > Why *cows*, for heaven's sake? Horses, I could > understand. Actually I would of thought Jack Russell Terriers were voted most likely to reincarnate as humans. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 8/19/05 2:18 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote > > > > > > Of course, the Hare Krishnas go beyond all of that: they believe > > that the karma of killing so many cows for consumption in America is > > very, very bad. Indeed, I remember about 25 years ago when some > > nutcase went into a MacDonald's and shot everyone in sight that the > > Krishna's released a press statement saying that that was direct > > karma for killing millions of cows. > > > > I heard that Sattynand (one of MMY's disciples) said that the reason > > America doesn't have any great leaders is that they eat them all. > > Maharishi said it. I used to have the tape. He said all cows are reborn not > only as humans, but as teachers. If we kill cows before they are allowed to > reach their full development as cows, then sub-standard teachers is born, > incapable of understanding and teaching pure knowledge, and the society is > doomed to ignorance. Why *cows*, for heaven's sake? Horses, I could understand. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 8/19/05 2:18 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote > > > > Of course, the Hare Krishnas go beyond all of that: they believe > > that the karma of killing so many cows for consumption in America > > is very bad. Indeed, I remember about 25 years ago when some > > nutcase went into a MacDonald's and shot everyone in sight that > > Krishna's released a press statement saying that that was direct > > karma for killing millions of cows. > > > > I heard that Sattynand (one of MMY's disciples) said that the > > reason America doesn't have any great leaders is that they eat > > them all. > > Maharishi said it. I used to have the tape. He said all cows are > reborn not only as humans, but as teachers. If we kill cows before > they are allowed to reach their full development as cows, then > sub-standard teachers is born, incapable of understanding and > teaching pure knowledge, and the society is doomed to ignorance. Sounds like bull to me. :-) But it makes as much sense as bringing about world peace by tearing down all the world's buildings and building new ones. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
on 8/19/05 2:18 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote > > > Of course, the Hare Krishnas go beyond all of that: they believe > that the karma of killing so many cows for consumption in America is > very, very bad. Indeed, I remember about 25 years ago when some > nutcase went into a MacDonald's and shot everyone in sight that the > Krishna's released a press statement saying that that was direct > karma for killing millions of cows. > > I heard that Sattynand (one of MMY's disciples) said that the reason > America doesn't have any great leaders is that they eat them all. Maharishi said it. I used to have the tape. He said all cows are reborn not only as humans, but as teachers. If we kill cows before they are allowed to reach their full development as cows, then sub-standard teachers is born, incapable of understanding and teaching pure knowledge, and the society is doomed to ignorance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
On Aug 19, 2005, at 3:04 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: > Intuitively, to me, the first breathe is the setting up of your > astrological chart because with the first breathe is the imprint of > the situation of the stars and planets in the cosmos upon the > individual nervous system... Exactly. Tibetan and Ayurvedic medicine says that birth begins at sperm-egg fusion--that's when the doshas are established. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 8/19/05 1:15:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I thought it was the Indian belief that the soul enters the body on the > first breathe (pran). > > > > > This is what I heard MMY say. Seems he changes his mind on the idea. I > believe Tibetans say at conception. I'm sure everybody has their own opinion. So > who is right? Does one err on the side of caution or on the side of > convenience? If a society agrees that it begins at birth and the reality is that it > begins at conception or somewhere in between, what is the karma for that society > to sanction a law that kills the most innocent lives by the millions? > Letting a few people make this decision for society can be dangerous. That's why I > believe our founding fathers said that we derive our unalienable rights, > among them Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness from our Creator, not from > men. The right to life was considered an absolute by our founding fathers. Of course, the Hare Krishnas go beyond all of that: they believe that the karma of killing so many cows for consumption in America is very, very bad. Indeed, I remember about 25 years ago when some nutcase went into a MacDonald's and shot everyone in sight that the Krishna's released a press statement saying that that was direct karma for killing millions of cows. I heard that Sattynand (one of MMY's disciples) said that the reason America doesn't have any great leaders is that they eat them all. But there is something to be said about "erring on the side of caution" if one is to take karma into consideration when we discuss the issue of abortion: over 40 million fetuses have been aborted since Roe v. Wade. And that's 40 million potential incarnations of God (man is made in the image of God). And just to inject a political observation here: one of the reasons that liberals have given in the past two presidential elections for NOT voting for George Bush is that when it comes to picking Supreme Court judges that Bush will pick anti-Roe v. Wade judges and the "right" to abortion will be removed. Well, there's two things to say about that: 1) Roe v. Wade is from 1973. Since those 32 years have passed, we've had 20 years of Republican presidents, all of whom are anti- abortion. Let not one of those 40 million fetuses have been denied the pleasure of being sucked out of their mothers' wombs. 2) Even if Roe v. Wade is overturned, nothing prevents any state from passing their own abortion laws allowing abortion to be legal in their state. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion question on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rick Archer wrote: > > >Sent to me by a lurker: > > > >Rick, > > > >When I was on staff at Livingston Manor in 1973 a > >meditator got pregnant. Her boyfriend, who was an > >initiator close to Maharishi, asked Maharishi about > >abortion. Maharishi at that time said that the soul > >doesn't enter the body until 3 months after > >conception. She went ahead with the abortion. > > > > > > > > > > > I thought it was the Indian belief that the soul enters the body on the > first breathe (pran). Intuitively, to me, the first breathe is the setting up of your astrological chart because with the first breathe is the imprint of the situation of the stars and planets in the cosmos upon the individual nervous system... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
