[FairfieldLife] Re: Alignment of Planets
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > I'd venture a guess that any civilization of sentient > beings, assuming their planet had a night and that they > were able to see the night sky clearly, would in its > early stages develop a system of astrology. > You would find a way to communicate with them. You would then, within 3 exchanges of messages, tell them they are maliciously dishonest, liars, really stoopid, and prolly worked in concert with the DNC to prevent Hillary from getting the nomination she deserved because, well, because she just did. And so it goes.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Alignment of Planets
On 02/23/2012 08:11 PM, John wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: >> On 02/23/2012 01:19 PM, John wrote: >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros >>> Anartaxius" wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" anartaxius@ wrote: >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: >>> The Moon is now in conjunction with Mercury and the Sun in Aquarius. >> Suppose you were *on* Mars. What would it look like and what would be the significance from that viewpoint? I spilled two Cheerios on the floor. They are lying there eight inches apart. From across the room they look like they are in conjunction, but to an ant between them, they are far, far apart. > This is a good question. I believe the planets would have different perspectives and effects when on Mars. From Mars, you would not see the Moon of Earth on the horizon. Instead, you would see and be affected by the Moons of Mars, Phobos and Deimos. In addition, you would see and be affected by the presence of the planet Earth. Current position (23 February 2012) of the planets, from a different point of view. Constellation names included. The fuzzy spot to the right of the sun is the Large Magellanic Cloud, and the bright spot below the cloud is the Tarantula Nebula. Suppose someone is born at this time at this viewing location. What is their future? >>> >>> With an alignment of planets like that, the location of the viewer must be >>> outside the planet Earth. As such, the environment must be unlike Earth >>> and no humans could possibly live there. I would venture to guess that >>> this viewpoint could only be taken by a space probe. >>> >> Well, maybe no "humans" but why does sentient life have to be human or >> even be composed of matter visible in our narrow visual range? I go >> with the universe behaving more like fractals and as such our species >> would be replicated throughout the universe along with other intelligent >> species too. We can't be so vain to think we're that unique or even >> that bright. We seem to be just highly domesticated apes and who did >> the domestication is a real mystery. Or maybe an ape ate some matter >> from an asteroid that contained DNA of an intelligent species and the >> modification came from that. I also look up on a living beings >> including humans to be biological machines just following learned patterns. >> > These are good points. MMY would certainly agree that there is consciousness > in every particle of atom throughout the universe and the multiverse. > Sentience could certainly appear anywhere given the billions of galaxies > throughout the universe. > > Human sentience in primates could have developed as part of the natural > process of evolution. However, there are some people, like Michael Cremo, > who believe that humans devolved from the spirit world into this physical > world. > > Humans can be considered biological machines. But you would have to account > for human consciousness. Where did it come from? Consciousness is the electricity that runs the machine. It has always been and will always be.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alignment of Planets
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 02/23/2012 01:19 PM, John wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros > > Anartaxius" wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > >> anartaxius@ wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > The Moon is now in conjunction with Mercury and the Sun in Aquarius. > Suppose you were *on* Mars. What would it look like and what would be > >> the significance from that viewpoint? I spilled two Cheerios on the > >> floor. They are lying there eight inches apart. From across the room > >> they look like they are in conjunction, but to an ant between them, they > >> are far, far apart. > >> > >> > >>> This is a good question. I believe the planets would have different > >> perspectives and effects when on Mars. From Mars, you would not see the > >> Moon of Earth on the horizon. Instead, you would see and be affected by > >> the Moons of Mars, Phobos and Deimos. In addition, you would see and be > >> affected by the presence of the planet Earth. > >> > >> Current position (23 February 2012) of the planets, from a different > >> point of view. Constellation names included. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> The fuzzy spot to the right of the sun is the Large Magellanic Cloud, > >> and the bright spot below the cloud is the Tarantula Nebula. Suppose > >> someone is born at this time at this viewing location. What is their > >> future? > > > > > > With an alignment of planets like that, the location of the viewer must be > > outside the planet Earth. As such, the environment must be unlike Earth > > and no humans could possibly live there. I would venture to guess that > > this viewpoint could only be taken by a space probe. > > > > Well, maybe no "humans" but why does sentient life have to be human or > even be composed of matter visible in our narrow visual range? I go > with the universe behaving more like fractals and as such our species > would be replicated throughout the universe along with other intelligent > species too. We can't be so vain to think we're that unique or even > that bright. We seem to be just highly domesticated apes and who did > the domestication is a real mystery. Or maybe an ape ate some matter > from an asteroid that contained DNA of an intelligent species and the > modification came from that. I also look up on a living beings > including humans to be biological machines just following learned patterns. > These are good points. MMY would certainly agree that there is consciousness in every particle of atom throughout the universe and the multiverse. Sentience could certainly appear anywhere given the billions of galaxies throughout the universe. Human sentience in primates could have developed as part of the natural process of evolution. However, there are some people, like Michael Cremo, who believe that humans devolved from the spirit world into this physical world. Humans can be considered biological machines. But you would have to account for human consciousness. Where did it come from?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Alignment of Planets
On 02/23/2012 01:19 PM, John wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros > Anartaxius" wrote: >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" >> anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > The Moon is now in conjunction with Mercury and the Sun in Aquarius. Suppose you were *on* Mars. What would it look like and what would be >> the significance from that viewpoint? I spilled two Cheerios on the >> floor. They are lying there eight inches apart. From across the room >> they look like they are in conjunction, but to an ant between them, they >> are far, far apart. >> >> >>> This is a good question. I believe the planets would have different >> perspectives and effects when on Mars. From Mars, you would not see the >> Moon of Earth on the horizon. Instead, you would see and be affected by >> the Moons of Mars, Phobos and Deimos. In addition, you would see and be >> affected by the presence of the planet Earth. >> >> Current position (23 February 2012) of the planets, from a different >> point of view. Constellation names included. >> >> >> >> >> The fuzzy spot to the right of the sun is the Large Magellanic Cloud, >> and the bright spot below the cloud is the Tarantula Nebula. Suppose >> someone is born at this time at this viewing location. What is their >> future? > > > With an alignment of planets like that, the location of the viewer must be > outside the planet Earth. As such, the environment must be unlike Earth and > no humans could possibly live there. I would venture to guess that this > viewpoint could only be taken by a space probe. > Well, maybe no "humans" but why does sentient life have to be human or even be composed of matter visible in our narrow visual range? I go with the universe behaving more like fractals and as such our species would be replicated throughout the universe along with other intelligent species too. We can't be so vain to think we're that unique or even that bright. We seem to be just highly domesticated apes and who did the domestication is a real mystery. Or maybe an ape ate some matter from an asteroid that contained DNA of an intelligent species and the modification came from that. I also look up on a living beings including humans to be biological machines just following learned patterns.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alignment of Planets
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > anartaxius@ wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > >>> The Moon is now in conjunction with Mercury and the Sun in Aquarius. > >> > >> Suppose you were *on* Mars. What would it look like and what would be > the significance from that viewpoint? I spilled two Cheerios on the > floor. They are lying there eight inches apart. From across the room > they look like they are in conjunction, but to an ant between them, they > are far, far apart. > > > > This is a good question. I believe the planets would have different > perspectives and effects when on Mars. From Mars, you would not see the > Moon of Earth on the horizon. Instead, you would see and be affected by > the Moons of Mars, Phobos and Deimos. In addition, you would see and be > affected by the presence of the planet Earth. > > Current position (23 February 2012) of the planets, from a different > point of view. Constellation names included. > > > > > The fuzzy spot to the right of the sun is the Large Magellanic Cloud, > and the bright spot below the cloud is the Tarantula Nebula. Suppose > someone is born at this time at this viewing location. What is their > future? With an alignment of planets like that, the location of the viewer must be outside the planet Earth. As such, the environment must be unlike Earth and no humans could possibly live there. I would venture to guess that this viewpoint could only be taken by a space probe. > > >> Suppose you were transported to another galaxy, to another planet in > a double star system with four planets around one of the stars, and you > are on the outer one. You woke up there at dusk and looked at the sky. > All the stars and planets are completely different than on Earth. How > would you create a system of astrolgy from this? Would it even be worth > the trouble? > > > > In speculating, I would think that life would be drastically different > when you're located in another galaxy, star system and planet. If the > system can sustain human life, then the environment must be similar to > that of earth. That means the planet must have similar ingredients as > the earth and it must be located in a habitable zone from the host star. > Otherwise, humans cannot live there. > > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > On 02/22/2012 03:01 AM, merlin wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8br4JiFEik > > One of the things I neglected to mention about "Another Earth" was > the > poetic license they took about the idea of a planet as large as > earth > that close to us. A planet of that mass would have played all > kinds of > havoc with our environment and they would be too busy dealing with > that > >>> than to try to communicate (same for the inhabitants of the other > planet). I'm wondering how much this alignment might mess with the > perturbations of Earth and the Moon orbits though it has probably > been > factored into any planetary calculations. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alignment of Planets
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > The Moon is now in conjunction with Mercury and the Sun in Aquarius. > > > > > > Suppose you were *on* Mars. What would it look like and what would be the > > > significance from that viewpoint? I spilled two Cheerios on the floor. > > > They are lying there eight inches apart. From across the room they look > > > like they are in conjunction, but to an ant between them, they are far, > > > far apart. > > > > This is a good question. I believe the planets would have different > > perspectives and effects when on Mars. From Mars, you would not see the > > Moon of Earth on the horizon. Instead, you would see and be affected by > > the Moons of Mars, Phobos and Deimos. In addition, you would see and be > > affected by the presence of the planet Earth. > > > > > > Suppose you were transported to another galaxy, to another planet in a > > > double star system with four planets around one of the stars, and you are > > > on the outer one. You woke up there at dusk and looked at the sky. All > > > the stars and planets are completely different than on Earth. How would > > > you create a system of astrolgy from this? Would it even be worth the > > > trouble? > > > > In speculating, I would think that life would be drastically different when > > you're located in another galaxy, star system and planet. If the system > > can sustain human life, then the environment must be similar to that of > > earth. That means the planet must have similar ingredients as the earth > > and it must be located in a habitable zone from the host star. Otherwise, > > humans cannot live there. > > I'd venture a guess that any civilization of sentient > beings, assuming their planet had a night and that they > were able to see the night sky clearly, would in its > early stages develop a system of astrology. > This idea would be about right. If they had different planets nearby, those would be affecting their brains and physiology in different ways. As such, they would have different significators for their emotional and physical traits.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alignment of Planets
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > > > The Moon is now in conjunction with Mercury and the Sun in Aquarius. > > > > Suppose you were *on* Mars. What would it look like and what would be the > > significance from that viewpoint? I spilled two Cheerios on the floor. They > > are lying there eight inches apart. From across the room they look like > > they are in conjunction, but to an ant between them, they are far, far > > apart. > > This is a good question. I believe the planets would have different > perspectives and effects when on Mars. From Mars, you would not see the Moon > of Earth on the horizon. Instead, you would see and be affected by the Moons > of Mars, Phobos and Deimos. In addition, you would see and be affected by > the presence of the planet Earth. > > > > Suppose you were transported to another galaxy, to another planet in a > > double star system with four planets around one of the stars, and you are > > on the outer one. You woke up there at dusk and looked at the sky. All the > > stars and planets are completely different than on Earth. How would you > > create a system of astrolgy from this? Would it even be worth the trouble? > > In speculating, I would think that life would be drastically different when > you're located in another galaxy, star system and planet. If the system can > sustain human life, then the environment must be similar to that of earth. > That means the planet must have similar ingredients as the earth and it must > be located in a habitable zone from the host star. Otherwise, humans cannot > live there. I'd venture a guess that any civilization of sentient beings, assuming their planet had a night and that they were able to see the night sky clearly, would in its early stages develop a system of astrology.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alignment of Planets
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" anartaxius@ wrote: >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: >>> The Moon is now in conjunction with Mercury and the Sun in Aquarius. >> >> Suppose you were *on* Mars. What would it look like and what would be the significance from that viewpoint? I spilled two Cheerios on the floor. They are lying there eight inches apart. From across the room they look like they are in conjunction, but to an ant between them, they are far, far apart. > This is a good question. I believe the planets would have different perspectives and effects when on Mars. From Mars, you would not see the Moon of Earth on the horizon. Instead, you would see and be affected by the Moons of Mars, Phobos and Deimos. In addition, you would see and be affected by the presence of the planet Earth. Current position (23 February 2012) of the planets, from a different point of view. Constellation names included. The fuzzy spot to the right of the sun is the Large Magellanic Cloud, and the bright spot below the cloud is the Tarantula Nebula. Suppose someone is born at this time at this viewing location. What is their future? >> Suppose you were transported to another galaxy, to another planet in a double star system with four planets around one of the stars, and you are on the outer one. You woke up there at dusk and looked at the sky. All the stars and planets are completely different than on Earth. How would you create a system of astrolgy from this? Would it even be worth the trouble? > In speculating, I would think that life would be drastically different when you're located in another galaxy, star system and planet. If the system can sustain human life, then the environment must be similar to that of earth. That means the planet must have similar ingredients as the earth and it must be located in a habitable zone from the host star. Otherwise, humans cannot live there. >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: On 02/22/2012 03:01 AM, merlin wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8br4JiFEik One of the things I neglected to mention about "Another Earth" was the poetic license they took about the idea of a planet as large as earth that close to us. A planet of that mass would have played all kinds of havoc with our environment and they would be too busy dealing with that >>> than to try to communicate (same for the inhabitants of the other planet). I'm wondering how much this alignment might mess with the perturbations of Earth and the Moon orbits though it has probably been factored into any planetary calculations.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alignment of Planets
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > The Moon is now in conjunction with Mercury and the Sun in Aquarius. > > Suppose you were *on* Mars. What would it look like and what would be the > significance from that viewpoint? I spilled two Cheerios on the floor. They > are lying there eight inches apart. From across the room they look like they > are in conjunction, but to an ant between them, they are far, far apart. This is a good question. I believe the planets would have different perspectives and effects when on Mars. From Mars, you would not see the Moon of Earth on the horizon. Instead, you would see and be affected by the Moons of Mars, Phobos and Deimos. In addition, you would see and be affected by the presence of the planet Earth. > > Suppose you were transported to another galaxy, to another planet in a double > star system with four planets around one of the stars, and you are on the > outer one. You woke up there at dusk and looked at the sky. All the stars and > planets are completely different than on Earth. How would you create a system > of astrolgy from this? Would it even be worth the trouble? In speculating, I would think that life would be drastically different when you're located in another galaxy, star system and planet. If the system can sustain human life, then the environment must be similar to that of earth. That means the planet must have similar ingredients as the earth and it must be located in a habitable zone from the host star. Otherwise, humans cannot live there. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > >> On 02/22/2012 03:01 AM, merlin wrote: > >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8br4JiFEik > > >> One of the things I neglected to mention about "Another Earth" was the > >> poetic license they took about the idea of a planet as large as earth > >> that close to us. A planet of that mass would have played all kinds of > >> havoc with our environment and they would be too busy dealing with that > >> than to try to communicate (same for the inhabitants of the other > >> planet). I'm wondering how much this alignment might mess with the > >> perturbations of Earth and the Moon orbits though it has probably been > >> factored into any planetary calculations. > >> > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Alignment of Planets
On 02/22/2012 07:18 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: >> The Moon is now in conjunction with Mercury and the Sun in Aquarius. > Suppose you were *on* Mars. What would it look like and what would be the > significance from that viewpoint? I spilled two Cheerios on the floor. They > are lying there eight inches apart. From across the room they look like they > are in conjunction, but to an ant between them, they are far, far apart. > > Suppose you were transported to another galaxy, to another planet in a double > star system with four planets around one of the stars, and you are on the > outer one. You woke up there at dusk and looked at the sky. All the stars and > planets are completely different than on Earth. How would you create a system > of astrolgy from this? Would it even be worth the trouble? It is possible the ancients were using the planets as time keepers for macro cycles in nature and society. Some of these cycles come close to the timing of planetary returns. The Sun and Moon however obviously do exact influence on our environment and even human behavior. On another planet one would have to chronicle such effects and develop a new system but if you already understand macro cycle effects it might not be necessary. But then on another planet the macro cycles might even be different. They might be just a harmonic of the effects of the planet's "Sun" and any moons. If you run two planetary calculation engines (this is astronomy not astrology), one where perturbations are calculated and the other without you'll find that dates where conjunctions occur to be the most off in position for the set that perturbation terms are not applied. >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: >>> On 02/22/2012 03:01 AM, merlin wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8br4JiFEik >>> One of the things I neglected to mention about "Another Earth" was the >>> poetic license they took about the idea of a planet as large as earth >>> that close to us. A planet of that mass would have played all kinds of >>> havoc with our environment and they would be too busy dealing with that >>> than to try to communicate (same for the inhabitants of the other >>> planet). I'm wondering how much this alignment might mess with the >>> perturbations of Earth and the Moon orbits though it has probably been >>> factored into any planetary calculations. >>> > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alignment of Planets
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > The Moon is now in conjunction with Mercury and the Sun in Aquarius. Suppose you were *on* Mars. What would it look like and what would be the significance from that viewpoint? I spilled two Cheerios on the floor. They are lying there eight inches apart. From across the room they look like they are in conjunction, but to an ant between them, they are far, far apart. Suppose you were transported to another galaxy, to another planet in a double star system with four planets around one of the stars, and you are on the outer one. You woke up there at dusk and looked at the sky. All the stars and planets are completely different than on Earth. How would you create a system of astrolgy from this? Would it even be worth the trouble? > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: >> On 02/22/2012 03:01 AM, merlin wrote: >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8br4JiFEik >> One of the things I neglected to mention about "Another Earth" was the >> poetic license they took about the idea of a planet as large as earth >> that close to us. A planet of that mass would have played all kinds of >> havoc with our environment and they would be too busy dealing with that >> than to try to communicate (same for the inhabitants of the other >> planet). I'm wondering how much this alignment might mess with the >> perturbations of Earth and the Moon orbits though it has probably been >> factored into any planetary calculations. >> >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alignment of Planets
The Moon is now in conjunction with Mercury and the Sun in Aquarius. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 02/22/2012 03:01 AM, merlin wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8br4JiFEik > > > > One of the things I neglected to mention about "Another Earth" was the > poetic license they took about the idea of a planet as large as earth > that close to us. A planet of that mass would have played all kinds of > havoc with our environment and they would be too busy dealing with that > than to try to communicate (same for the inhabitants of the other > planet). I'm wondering how much this alignment might mess with the > perturbations of Earth and the Moon orbits though it has probably been > factored into any planetary calculations. >
